The NEW SCIENCE of Moon Formation

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  • @Skip6235
    @Skip6235 Рік тому +1528

    I’m just trying to wrap my head around a column of molten rock several hundred thousand miles high raining down onto the surface of the planet in less than 24 hours. The sheer violence of such a thing is unimaginable.

    • @krabkit
      @krabkit Рік тому +257

      noticeably less violent than the preceding impact

    • @saturnexplorers
      @saturnexplorers Рік тому +92

      Welcome to the universe

    • @bottlekruiser
      @bottlekruiser Рік тому +105

      smart people: violence is not a solution
      also smart people when asked how the moon came to be:

    • @JoshWiniberg
      @JoshWiniberg Рік тому +63

      It's mind-blowing isn't it? And that's tame compared to many cosmological events.

    • @tinygriffy
      @tinygriffy Рік тому +12

      I find that's peanuts compared to the next best Quasar out there..

  • @TheoriesofEverything
    @TheoriesofEverything Рік тому +25

    Thanks Matt. It was an honor. Looking forward to speaking again.

  • @billbill6094
    @billbill6094 Рік тому +437

    This is by far the easiest to understand SpaceTime episode and most awesome topic yet. Imagine going back just shy of 54 years ago and telling someone not only are the moon and the Earth formed from the same two planets in the same orbit colliding, but in just _a single day_ there might have been _two_ moons, one even bigger. Absolutely mind blowing.

    • @chriskennedy2846
      @chriskennedy2846 Рік тому +12

      I agree, great topic. It goes to show there is plenty of fascinating science within our field of view that allows us to keep learning while being intrigued by the remaining mysteries yet to be solved.
      By contrast, we certainly don't need any more: black hole, worm hole, dark matter or dark energy videos for awhile.
      Great job. More science - please.

    • @tehpw7574
      @tehpw7574 Рік тому

      ...and yet, there are idiots who publicly claim 'Teh World is flat'. :/ This theory, in how the moon was formed should be embraced at defacto-fact: Nothing else seems as accurate when it's visualized like it is in this video. Also, who is to say that electro-magnetism has much to say in the formation? Isn't that a after effect, not a cause (like gravity)? [Disclaimer, I'm a Gen-X Veteran Mechanic, not a scientist. WTF do I know about SCIENCE!?]

    • @zes7215
      @zes7215 Рік тому

      wrrg

    • @Rydonittelo
      @Rydonittelo Рік тому +19

      It's so sad that 30% of adults in the UK couldn't answer the question
      " What is bigger, the sun or the moon?"
      If you find this shocking as I did, ask people and you'll be astonished that some grown adults don't know the answer to this less than basic general knowledge question.
      Its mind blowing

    • @Rydonittelo
      @Rydonittelo Рік тому +1

      @Repent and believe in Jesus Christ
      The creature could not bear the wrong done to its creator, therefore the sun withdrew its rays so it would not behold the deeds of the wicked.
      Crystophusis
      ☀️🌤⛅🌥☁️🌫✝️

  • @jacobthompson6592
    @jacobthompson6592 Рік тому +70

    I was surprised you mentioned the lunar seismometers. My grandfather helped build the radioisotope heater units for the seismometers that were installed during the Apollo 11 mission.

    • @BaloneySansWits
      @BaloneySansWits Рік тому +6

      I worked at Marquardt, the company that made the R4d thrusters that one can see in fours on the sides of the Service and Lunar Excursion Modules

    • @itzelpretzel
      @itzelpretzel Рік тому +8

      Your grandfathers fingerprints (metaphorically, im sure it was all sterilized) were on the moon. Wow! Thats a beautiful legacy.

    • @calebdunlap7566
      @calebdunlap7566 Рік тому +2

      My fiancées great grandfather helped make the first US space boot

  • @firebladetenn6633
    @firebladetenn6633 Рік тому +182

    It's always a good day when Spacetime uploads.

  • @nellym46664
    @nellym46664 Рік тому +60

    It's crazy how such a random event possibly turned what may have remained a barren rock in space into the only known sanctuary for complex life in this universe. Pouring one out for Theia tonight.🙇‍♂

    • @garmtpug
      @garmtpug Рік тому +11

      I wouldn't assume we are the only place where complex life exists. There are many possibilities for life that don't necessarily have to be Earth-like. I'm a firm believer that life can arise in numerous conditions, as we have even seen on our planet. Various forms of life on Earth have been found in the most inhospitable places that we once assumed could not develop nor harbor any type of life forms. But life has been found in them! It does find a way! So, looking at that, it's easy to picture life forming in all kinds of planetary conditions throughout the Universe.

    • @colterhikel9819
      @colterhikel9819 Рік тому +9

      Is life very robust and able to form in lots of adverse conditions, or is life fragile but able to adapt to harsh conditions after getting a foothold?

    • @flintdavis2
      @flintdavis2 Рік тому +1

      Or the process wasn’t “random “ but by design. Elementary my dear.

    • @99names16
      @99names16 Рік тому +1

      Life is not robust. And it is not a force- it does not *have* to exist.
      I think we are far more lucky/special than we realize.

    • @garmtpug
      @garmtpug Рік тому

      @@99names16 Explain

  • @MofoMan2000
    @MofoMan2000 Рік тому +395

    One correction: Neptune's moon is Triton. Titan is one of Saturn's moons.

    • @the_dark_one6052
      @the_dark_one6052 Рік тому +20

      Beat me to it

    • @LuisAldamiz
      @LuisAldamiz Рік тому +81

      It was not probably an actual error but rather his Australian accent.

    • @donlevoneshabanov4437
      @donlevoneshabanov4437 Рік тому +48

      The subtitles say Triton but I don't hear the "r"

    • @LuisAldamiz
      @LuisAldamiz Рік тому +31

      @@donlevoneshabanov4437 - It's Australian accent but BBC accent also lacks rhotics, it's a common (and confusing) feature in English language.

    • @orsonzedd
      @orsonzedd Рік тому

      Same thing

  • @subhanusaxena7199
    @subhanusaxena7199 Рік тому +27

    I hadn’t realised until I saw these videos that I should have played more attention to my fluid dynamics classes at college, as it seems central to many cosmological phenomena. Then I heard Leonard Susskind suggest that gravity is the hydrodynamics of entanglement, which blew my mind. Can we have a video on this please as I am really trying to get my head around what he meant. Thank you for these great videos

  • @realzachfluke1
    @realzachfluke1 Рік тому +240

    This is my favorite episode to date. Beautifully done, Space Time team.

    • @osmosisjones4912
      @osmosisjones4912 Рік тому

      Here is the full clip : ua-cam.com/video/I7S74SxIjn4/v-deo.html

    • @filonin2
      @filonin2 Рік тому +2

      @@osmosisjones4912 So you're a bot now?

    • @memofromessex
      @memofromessex Рік тому +1

      Yeah, I understood 99% of that!

    • @bazpearce9993
      @bazpearce9993 Рік тому

      Mine too.

  • @TheScrubExpress
    @TheScrubExpress Рік тому +164

    Wild to think about such a big thing happening in...less than two days. In a universe where things usually happen over many thousands or millions of years, that's lightning quick.

    • @edwardlazell3157
      @edwardlazell3157 Рік тому +20

      There's an XKCD cartoon about how weird it is when something in astronomy occurs on a human scale, rather than being enormous/tiny or happening instantaneously/over billennia.

    • @theexchipmunk
      @theexchipmunk Рік тому +1

      @@edwardlazell3157 Do you have a link?

    • @pizzainc.1465
      @pizzainc.1465 Рік тому +2

      Billennia is a cool word, but it’s actually gigannum (or giga year). The real structure of million is
      milli- -on,
      not
      Mil- -lion.
      This is a common misconception, and it is ok in English (it’s already deformed), but not in Latin. Latin already has a structure, so you can’t make up words based on how you think they are assembled. The real word is:
      gig{a}- -{a}nn- -[suffix]
      Or gigannum

    • @pizzainc.1465
      @pizzainc.1465 Рік тому +1

      -MWAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHA-
      **silence**

    • @thezipcreator
      @thezipcreator Рік тому +1

      @@theexchipmunk it's xkcd #2707

  • @xovvo3950
    @xovvo3950 Рік тому +142

    18:06 Bats. You're thinking of bats. Bat wings are formed from membranous extensions from palm to fingertip between digits two through five. Bird hands are actually very small and have completely fused together into a structure called the carpometaparpus, tipped by greatly reduced digits II and III (digit I bearing the alula, anterior to the rest of the carpometacarpus). Birds just have very long feathers to form their flight surface!

    • @anarchyantz1564
      @anarchyantz1564 Рік тому +6

      Additionally Pterosaurs as well.

    • @XKloosyvv
      @XKloosyvv Рік тому +6

      Birds still "swim" though the air around us. Yes, bats do as well but Matt didn't say it was only birds. There's plenty of organisms capable of flight on earth.

    • @Ezullof
      @Ezullof Рік тому +10

      @@XKloosyvv Birds don't swim with their *hands* though, they use modified arms (with feathers). Which is the point that Xovvo is making.
      Similarly, flying insects also swim in the air, but not with hands.

    • @XKloosyvv
      @XKloosyvv Рік тому +3

      @@Ezullof quoting them....
      "Bird hands are actually very small and have completely fused..."
      Birds have hands, but evolution has changed them dramatically. They still "swim" in the same concept as bats and insects.

    • @JillianJolley
      @JillianJolley Рік тому

      Yes!!! I f***ing love people, like you @xovvo3950

  • @harbirsingh7266
    @harbirsingh7266 Рік тому +53

    18:00 "Some animals do have hands large enough to swim in a gas. They're called birds."
    This just blew my mind. How did I never think of that? Haha.

    • @joansparky4439
      @joansparky4439 Рік тому +18

      here is another one for you - we are living at the bottom of a gas ocean.

    • @bazpearce9993
      @bazpearce9993 Рік тому +12

      @@joansparky4439 We are Crab people lol.

    • @DriantX
      @DriantX Рік тому +7

      @@joansparky4439 And a gas ocean is living at the bottom of me.
      sorry

    • @markzambelli
      @markzambelli Рік тому +7

      And Penguins 'fly' through water

    • @twistedtachyon5877
      @twistedtachyon5877 Рік тому +4

      No respect for bats smh

  • @spectator5709
    @spectator5709 Рік тому +368

    Could we take a moment and appreciate whoever makes the graphics for SpaceTime? You're a hero! 🙂 Thanks for all the good stuff! 💫📈🚀

    • @ryans-7
      @ryans-7 Рік тому +22

      That clip of Theia getting larger and larger just before impact was terrifying. Kudos to the cgi folks for sure.

    • @jus_sanguinis
      @jus_sanguinis Рік тому +1

      +1

    • @dv2915
      @dv2915 Рік тому +17

      The clumsy animation that appears at 11:06 was actually made by me, like, 20 years ago. I can't even remember what software (or hardware) I used to create it. Perhaps, a ZX Spectrum?

    • @freddan6fly
      @freddan6fly Рік тому +8

      @@dv2915 For being 20 years back you did an excellent job with the limited resources of the time.

    • @vblaas246
      @vblaas246 Рік тому +1

      Andrew Kornhaber is your principal hero.

  • @flaviusclaudius7510
    @flaviusclaudius7510 Рік тому +27

    I love these n-body particle simulations. Best part of undergrad astro was getting to watch so many of them!

  • @CaptainCuttlefish74
    @CaptainCuttlefish74 Рік тому +63

    I sent this to my grandmother
    I expect some of the more technical stuff will go over her head
    but she's expressed interest in stuff like this, and I figure this is one of the few Space Time videos she would have a good chance of understanding

    • @Lupita311
      @Lupita311 Рік тому

      She won't understand it because she is a woman, or simply because she is a grandma, that the topic is too technical or is it that her small little brain can't understand the science but she'll be amused by the colorful pictures. Maybe it is me who doesn't get the joke in my tiny little brain.

    • @CaptainCuttlefish74
      @CaptainCuttlefish74 Рік тому +10

      @@Lupita311 woah
      What is wrong with ypu

    • @matteosposato9448
      @matteosposato9448 Рік тому

      @@Lupita311 wait wut?

    • @The1oldfox
      @The1oldfox Рік тому +3

      @@Lupita311 easy girl

    • @william41017
      @william41017 Рік тому

      So, what did your grandma say?

  • @ericstromquist9458
    @ericstromquist9458 Рік тому +7

    I’ve always loved your show (having been a physics major long ago) but this episode is among the best. I’ve certainly heard of Theia and the collision hypothesis but your episode 1) systematically goes through the evidence to select the best scenario, and before watching I wasn’t aware that accretion at different radii from the sun had distinct isotopic signatures; and 2) highlights new research, showing the reference so you can go and download the paper to read. Absolutely excellent!

  • @rlosable
    @rlosable Рік тому +134

    I've been wondering for a while: does the Thea event explain also why Earth has such a strong magnetic field (due to the larger iron core and additional energy/momentum imparted) and at least be part of the reason why Earth has such active plate tectonics?
    It would also mean a single explanation for many of the differences between Earth and its neighbors.
    If so, this single event would have played a huge role in creating the conditions for life to develop. And dialing "rare earth" up to 11 as a solution to the Fermi Paradox.

    • @shoego
      @shoego Рік тому +27

      Earth would probably be a dry dead rock without this impact. Possibly, most of our mantle would have cooled by now.

    • @gobblinal
      @gobblinal Рік тому +14

      I still posit that there's enough out there that we are not alone, but maybe we're reaching the limit of only one intelligent species per galaxy (or two if we're REALLY lucky, or more if galaxies collide?), so it just _feels_ really lonely.

    • @matt2027
      @matt2027 Рік тому +21

      Are Thea events actually rare? Do we really know enough about solar system formation to say for sure one way or the other?

    • @gobblinal
      @gobblinal Рік тому +11

      @@matt2027 At this moment, we do not. But, maybe with some of this hi-res modelling we might be able to get some idea of what it would take to happen. But seeing it "for real"? I have _no_ idea when that'll ever happen.

    • @dankuchar6821
      @dankuchar6821 Рік тому +3

      Very possibly, yes!

  • @NoMusiciansInMusicAnymore
    @NoMusiciansInMusicAnymore Рік тому +5

    I absolutely love the sense of humour in this series, it more than makes up for my inability to understand half of the subject matter

  • @ChefSalad
    @ChefSalad Рік тому +105

    There is an intermediate between solids and liquids, for some materials, specifically binary alloys. Sort of. For binary alloys, there are two temperatures involved in melting: the liquidus point, the temperature above which the material is fully molten, and the solidus point, the temperature below which the material is completely solid. For eutectic binary alloys, those temperatures are the same, but for non-eutectic alloys, the temperatures are different. Eutectic means that the melting point is as low as is goes and occurs when the solidus and liquidus temperatures are equal. (When you mix two materials together, the mixture will have a lower melting point than either component by themselves. At a certain ratio (the eutectic ratio), you get a minimum melting point.) The state between the solidus and liquidus temperatures (sometimes called the solidus phase) is a mixture of solid crystals suspended in liquid metal. It behaves kind of like a gel. It'll flow a bit, but also retain its basic shape. This is very important in soldering since, when using non-eutectic solders, moving the joint during the solidus phase will result in bad solder joints, since parts the workpiece can move without the solder flowing back in behind it. The effect is similar to a dry solder joint, but not quite the same and a bit harder to detect. This is why (near) eutectic solders are often preferred during hand-soldering. Eutectic solders go straight from liquid to solid as they cool, without any time between to harden.

    • @AnderGdeT
      @AnderGdeT Рік тому +8

      Amorphous polymers would also fit that criteria? They are solids with fixed forms, but can flow at higher temperatures while maintaing solid properties, don't really have a melting point but a "Glass Transition" point...

    • @ChefSalad
      @ChefSalad Рік тому +6

      @@AnderGdeT not really the same thing. Similar though. With amorphous solids, the transition from liquid to solid is at a specific temperature, it's just that close to but below that temperature, the amorphous thing will be very, very flexible. This seems like flowing, but it's not really. With glass, you can get it really bendy, but to get two pieces to join, you need to get the joint just a bit hotter for the pieces to melt together. Even though they're soft, they won't flow together unless they're actually liquid at the joint. Or at least that's my understanding.

    • @MrClickity
      @MrClickity Рік тому +5

      TIL that Solidus Snake from Metal Gear Solid 2 got his name from an actual term and not just a word that Kojima made up because he thought it sounded cool.

    • @rosemarymuthoni5853
      @rosemarymuthoni5853 Рік тому +1

      @@AnderGdeT how about non-Newtonian fluids?

    • @dracoargentum9783
      @dracoargentum9783 Рік тому +1

      As a quick follow-up question for soldering [new solderer here], if you NEED to move a non-eutectic solder, I take it you should heat the bend back up before bending?

  • @Ricalloo
    @Ricalloo Рік тому +67

    I'd love to see a collision simulation in real time, that is at the speed it actually happened. I assume the ones we saw in this video were sped up by a lot.

    • @N.M.E.
      @N.M.E. Рік тому +7

      yeah. You can assume the rotation speed of the earth after the collision should be close to 24h

    • @genkibob
      @genkibob Рік тому +10

      If you have 2 or 3 days to sit and watch the video, sure.

    • @doctorbeet3339
      @doctorbeet3339 Рік тому +5

      @@N.M.E. Unfortunately not. With the presence of a water ocean, the tidal bulges which are displaced in the direction of Earth's rotation transfer angular momentum from the Earth to moon, increasing the diameter of it's orbit and slowing the Earth down in the process.
      See Tidal Acceleration on Wiki: "This geological record is consistent with these conditions 620 million years ago: the day was 21.9±0.4 hours"

    • @Shadowkey392
      @Shadowkey392 Рік тому +2

      @@N.M.E. it would actually have been much faster.

    • @N.M.E.
      @N.M.E. Рік тому +1

      @@doctorbeet3339 Interesting! Thanks for the correction. I guessed it would've been somewhat faster, but didn't know to what extent. Still somewhat in the ballpark though.

  • @wrylycoyote6940
    @wrylycoyote6940 Рік тому +5

    I finally have caught up on binge watching 7 years worth of PBS Spacetime, and can finally comment on a video. My brain feels heavy like a waterlogged sack of dirty laundry. I feel like I made it to the finish line even though the line keeps moving forward every 2 weeks (making it harder to catch-up). Ok, I admit I skipped some of the videos on aliens, because it's never aliens.

  • @dankuchar6821
    @dankuchar6821 Рік тому +13

    Thank you Matt and PBS FaceTime for all your hard work! It is appreciated. I wish this had been available when I was teaching physics.

  • @nachoijp
    @nachoijp Рік тому +9

    I never knew that two proto planets could form in the same orbit... I always thought that we were weirdly lucky to have a planet just hit earth, but this makes it a lot more credible

  • @brandtreppond2167
    @brandtreppond2167 Рік тому +45

    That protoplanet soaring towards us was probably one of the scariest images I'll ever see

    • @passintogracegoldenyearnin6310
      @passintogracegoldenyearnin6310 Рік тому +3

      It's a great time for you to watch Moonfall then.

    • @N.M.E.
      @N.M.E. Рік тому +6

      I shall suggest the Lars von Trier movie "Melancholia" (2011) with Kirsten Dunst then. (Although the visuals of the Planet are surely not the main thing this movie offers)

    • @theexchipmunk
      @theexchipmunk Рік тому

      @@N.M.E. Seconded. Good movie that one.

    • @Rando_Shyte
      @Rando_Shyte Рік тому

      @@passintogracegoldenyearnin6310 You mean that steaming pile of garbage? No thanks.

  • @Kelly_Z
    @Kelly_Z Рік тому +9

    Thank you so much for the captions in your videos! Yall cover such complicated topics that it's very useful to me to be able to listen and read what yall are saying so that I can absorb the information and keep following along, although usually by the skin of my teeth. Anyhow, thank you again, yall are awesome! I love learning about this kind of stuff

  • @octavianova1300
    @octavianova1300 Рік тому +19

    The possibility that the Gaia-Theia impact resulted in second, larger moon that then crashed back down into the earth definitely gets me thinking about the hypothesis that the LLSVPs are remnants of the giant impact. IDK how indicated such a connection is by this result, but on the surface at least it's an intriguing idea.

    • @nagualdesign
      @nagualdesign Рік тому +8

      Don't confuse the Gaia hypothesis with the giant-impact hypothesis. Theia impacted the _proto-Earth._ Gaia developed millions of years later after considerable cooling.

    • @ArawnOfAnnwn
      @ArawnOfAnnwn Рік тому +1

      LLSVP?...

    • @Neloish
      @Neloish Рік тому +1

      That is exactly what I was thinking, it could explain the gravitational anomalies.

    • @Neloish
      @Neloish Рік тому +4

      @@ArawnOfAnnwn Large low-shear-velocity provinces

    • @passintogracegoldenyearnin6310
      @passintogracegoldenyearnin6310 Рік тому +2

      Jupiter's Red Spot could be an impact site. Apparently some hundreds of years ago it wasn't there, and it is slowly getting smaller. The mix of elements dredged up from below are also different from the typical outer layers. It could be the case that our planets have not cleared their orbital paths as much as we'd hoped.

  • @panagiotisantonakas9603
    @panagiotisantonakas9603 Рік тому +13

    Mat I am hydrodynamic engineer/ astronomy lover and your video just made me wonder if we can make not only a Sim but a real hydro experiment.

    • @ChemEDan
      @ChemEDan Рік тому +4

      Surface tension would probably be a big problem for experiments on a reasonable scale, same with trying to simulate self-gravitation. Maybe some sort of hybrid experiment could be developed e.g. many parallel hydro experiments used to simulate parts of the whole. Just need a mass-producible experimental apparatus that can generate the necessary Coriolis forces, and gravity could be approximated by earth's natural gravity and corrected for by scaling the resolution. So test volumes closer to proto earth would be physically smaller and visa versa, even though the apparatuses are all the same

    • @T3sl4
      @T3sl4 Рік тому

      ​@@ChemEDan It's interesting really, that gravity serves a very similar purpose as surface tension; the problem is, it's a much more diffuse force, whereas surface tension is, well, at the surface. Specifically, the internal pressure within a gravitationally bound body is proportional to depth, whereas with surface tension, the pressure is approximately equal, dropping suddenly to zero in the surface layer (which is probably a Debye scattering depth or something like that). So it's no accident that the simulation shows droplets, but the way they flow is very different.

  • @davidthane9002
    @davidthane9002 Рік тому +1

    About the metallic Hydrogen question:
    Metallic properties does not specifically mean "free moving electrons". The electrons in solids made up of covalent bonds (like diamond) are free moving as well. (some scientist argue that covalent and metal bonds in solids aren't really different anyway)
    The real catch is the electron's ability to have a change in "speed" (or "momentum") which leads to electrical conductivity. The main requirement are empty electronic energy states at the Fermi level. (i.e. the 'band' isn't completely filled and 'crosses' the Fermi level) . Which in turn leads to the simple picture of the "Valence-band" and "Conductorband" touching. (in contrast to the semi-conductor/isolator solids which show a band-gap.
    Incidentally solid hydrogen in its ground state has one band, (made from the 1s-electron orbitals) which is filled about 50%. So the Fermi-level and the half filled band directly intersect and the electrons have quire a few energy states available for change in impulse.
    And so it has the typical metallic properties of high electrical/thermal conductivity, metallic sheen (from absorbing and emitting light through the electrons) etc.

  • @brenorocha6687
    @brenorocha6687 Рік тому +4

    "[...] so, whatever."
    Seriously, seeing how you explain complex scientific concepts while using informal jargon and expressions is so pleasant. Specially because it doesn't feel forced or unnatural in any way.

    • @franck3279
      @franck3279 Рік тому +3

      He works as an university teacher to practice for those videos.

  • @bertoray5497
    @bertoray5497 Рік тому +4

    Happy New Year Matt, and to all the fabulous crew at PBS Space Time. This content is actually consistent with what I envisioned the Internet tool would herald, lo, many moons ago.

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations Рік тому +9

    Fascinating indeed. Moon's fast delivery!

  • @tracyh5751
    @tracyh5751 Рік тому +1

    17:57 jokes like these really deserve to be made into youtube shorts. That kind of humor would really stand out in the sea of youtube shorts and could draw more people to your channel who might not have considered it otherwise.

  • @8beef4u
    @8beef4u Рік тому +4

    There's also one proposed theory that explains the "smoothness" of the Earth-facing side of the moon. It proports that a large satellite the size of Ceres collided with the moon, causing debris to rain down on the opposite side, explaining the smoothness of one side of the moon and also the disparity in crust thickness between the two sides. The new impact scenario could also help explain differences in the isotopes of potassium, phosphorus and rare-earth elements like tungsten-182 measured on the surfaces of Earth and the moon.

  • @gobblinal
    @gobblinal Рік тому +14

    As someone else points out, this could potentially add a few more parameters to the Drake equation. Is this what's needed in order to make a large enough magnetic field to protect a planet enough that life even has a chance to form, let alone multi-cellular and eventually "intelligence"? We've proven that our solar system is not unusual in that most stars appear to have planets, so that part of the equation is now a lot closer to 1 that might've previously been thought. But there's also the question of if inner rocky planets REQUIRE outer gas giants to keep space "clear"? And now we need multiple planets in the SAME orbit to collide and make a strong enough magnetic field to further protect the planet from the sun? Not to mention a moon big enough to make tides. So far most solar systems have only had gas giants or LARGE rocky planets so it's hard to determine where the little inner rocky planets are, so it's a while yet before we'll be able to determine if there's any systems with 1-orbit-2-planet systems. Is that dependent on age? Does it only happen in the first 0.1 billion years? So finding such an example is going to be very tricky. However, if there's one thing I know about the universe, nothing is unique. If it's happened once, it most definitely can happen again, so there is still hope for an Earth-2 out there, somewhere, potentially a LOT further away than originally supposed.

    • @escapevelocity8092
      @escapevelocity8092 Рік тому

      Have you considered that earth may have been in another star system originally? There's quite a bit of information to support this idea

    • @gobblinal
      @gobblinal Рік тому +3

      @@escapevelocity8092 Well, it WAS another star system originally. That's why we've got carbon and iron and all the other must-have atoms. We are second (at least?) generation star that went KABLOOEY and then when it's nebula cooled, we got our star and system.
      But if you are trying to suggest that the earth was a rogue planet that crashed into Theia and then stayed in orbit, that's an interesting suggestion. I'd like to see the models on that.

    • @escapevelocity8092
      @escapevelocity8092 Рік тому

      @gobblinal OK nice bit of sense you're talking, I'm suggesting nothing more ridiculous than this.
      Now, rogue planet idea, getting close indeed. I want you to imagine a petri dish with a chemical in it, we then introduce another reactive agent while looking through the microscope into the dish. To our eye, we see molecules smashing against molecules, creating new formations, charges being exchanged, looks like organised chaos no doubt, eventually a new order results. We are even aware of a world even smaller which isn't visible but we can measure its effects, atoms kicking out protons and exchanging electrons, all obeying physics which produces orbits out of attraction and repulsion.
      Is it such a stretch to conceive that what appears to us as a gigantic, chaotic clattering of heavenly bodies, actually lives within the intent of another form of consciousness, and thus planets are terra formed for purposes beyond our comprehension. Why should we sit at the top of the dominance hierarchy? If the universe is infinite then why would the energy apex end? Just because a species can't comprehend the next rung up, most prey die not knowing what predated on them...

    • @escapevelocity8092
      @escapevelocity8092 Рік тому

      @gobblinal we needn't prostrate ourselves at the feet of a deity to appreciate that maybe we are not the only 'self aware' consciousness in existence. Aren't we ourselves trying to 'seed' other planets right now, because we may destroy our own in the future. Its not hard to imagine that we are the way the universe can observe itself, and the physical expression of reality is a challenge. A separation into duality, separation always brings pain, and pain always brings growth.

    • @milferdjones2573
      @milferdjones2573 Рік тому

      @@gobblinal Theia and Earth had to share the same building materials improbable for anything that originated outside of the Earth orbit.

  • @Nobody-df4is
    @Nobody-df4is Рік тому +16

    The Moon is so weird, it played an integral part in the evolution of life.

  • @boredgrass
    @boredgrass Рік тому +1

    A happy new year, and fair winds and following seas for your channel!

  • @Eris123451
    @Eris123451 Рік тому +3

    I've just finished reading Lee Smolin's book The Trouble with Physics which pretty much explains the real extent to which physics is currently at something of an impasse; no Supersymmetry, no SU5, no real clue about the nature Dark Energy or Dark Matter and of course the by now well known problems with String Theory but especially that it's not a complete or testable.
    It's an interesting and not over demanding book one which I'd highly recommend.

  • @DrVictorVasconcelos
    @DrVictorVasconcelos Рік тому

    It's not every day that we make a list of hypotheses for a natural phenomenon, and the winner hypothesis is the coolest one. Props to those involved.

  • @devinfaux6987
    @devinfaux6987 Рік тому +12

    I like to think that the immediate aftermath of an impact like this is the only sort of situation you would find and environment similar to the asteroid fields depicted in popular sci-fi like Star Wars. It wouldn't last for that long, but for just a little while you could lead TIE Fighters on a merry chase through it.

    • @mutercim
      @mutercim Рік тому +1

      Not necessarily. You could lead your pursuers through something like Saturn's rings. Would be exactly the same, I imagine, as long as you stay in the thickest parts.

    • @N.M.E.
      @N.M.E. Рік тому +1

      @@mutercim nah, as far as i know, the majority of particles in Saturns rings are far far smaller than your "usual asteroids"! More akin to dust and pebbles (largest particles are a few meters across)... aint no fun in flying through that. Also the denser rings are only about 5 - 100 m (max.) thick.

  • @alexandrel4569
    @alexandrel4569 Рік тому +1

    Really love this episode that isn't as complicated as most of the time but EXTREMELY interesting

  • @ChocoboProduction
    @ChocoboProduction Рік тому +8

    So, what I gathered from the explanation on whether or not it's possible to swim in superfluids: You'd need a creature that is basically gigantic and almost completely wings/fins. Soooooo... giant manta rays? Sounds cool to me :D

  • @seb10wijngek
    @seb10wijngek Рік тому +2

    Best episode so far, in my opinion. Very cool simulations, clear and concise info. Lots of fun!

  • @PeterGaunt
    @PeterGaunt Рік тому +3

    More of this kind of stuff from time to time Matt!

  • @whuzzzup
    @whuzzzup Рік тому +2

    It would be kinda neat to actually link your sources. Then I could actually use them for teaching more easily.

  • @HebaruSan
    @HebaruSan Рік тому +10

    7:23 - Triton, not Titan, right?

  • @TheIrf33
    @TheIrf33 Рік тому +1

    Glad to see you uploading again. this channel is awesome

  • @YouTubist666
    @YouTubist666 Рік тому +1

    Maybe we should give a nod to Hartmann and Davis, the two scientists who suffered the ridicule of their short sighted, closed minded colleagues when they first put forth their theory, but who persevered with the best theory of how the moon formed.

  • @thomascaldwell184
    @thomascaldwell184 Рік тому +3

    Damn I love PBS Space Time. Pretty much everything about it. Especially today the wry humor. (And/or humour for most of the rest of the English speaking world.)

  • @bobmin1782
    @bobmin1782 Рік тому

    That animation of the moon crashing into earth around 8:54 is spectacular. Thank you.

  • @camicus-3249
    @camicus-3249 Рік тому +4

    You're telling me Rome wasn't built in a day, but the whole entire Moon was?

  • @Flugmorph
    @Flugmorph Рік тому +1

    i liked that hidden schroedingers cat joke at the end there

  • @theGoogol
    @theGoogol Рік тому +49

    "Reality is fake", said the photon.

    • @Bassotronics
      @Bassotronics Рік тому +4

      ‘Reality doesn’t exist” says the photon.

    • @osmosisjones4912
      @osmosisjones4912 Рік тому

      Color exist even if our brains don't pick them up

  • @Yewbzee
    @Yewbzee Рік тому +1

    Damn, at last, I've managed to understand a full video on PBS. I'm off to celebrate with a bottle of wine or two.

  • @baumgartnerwm
    @baumgartnerwm Рік тому +4

    After reading Azimov's Extraterrestial Civilizations on the Drake equation I wondered if the Earth's oversized Iron core was due to us steeling Theia's core. This is the first time I've seen that confirmed. The earth's powerful magnetic field is stronger because of the iron we stole from Theia. So many subtleties of that collision were essential to our existence.

    • @Nobody-df4is
      @Nobody-df4is Рік тому +2

      It was donated. Not stolen.

    • @ericeaton2386
      @ericeaton2386 Рік тому +1

      “Confirmed” is a little strong, but it certainly seems plausible!

    • @zuthalsoraniz6764
      @zuthalsoraniz6764 Рік тому +2

      And having a large moon is probably also at least very helpful for developing complex life/technological civilisation. Both because it stabilises the axial tilt and thus the climate (Earth's tilt varies only by about two degrees on a 41000-year cycle, versus about 20 degrees over a 53000-Mars-year cycle on Mars), and because the tidal forms formed by the relatively strong tides such a large moon causes provide a good jumping-off point for life to make the transition from living in the oceans to living on land.
      Plus of course, a large moon will also deflect or intercept a lot of potential asteroid/comet impacts, which is again helpful for climate stability.

  • @lexinwonderland5741
    @lexinwonderland5741 Рік тому

    Okay, the segue to the ad was hilarious, I'm actually impressed.

  • @luudest
    @luudest Рік тому +9

    Einstein just shows up everywhere.

    • @HaloForgeUltra
      @HaloForgeUltra Рік тому

      Ignore the bot. The video its sharing is just some stupid animal video.
      Here, I have an actual video of the moons formation conveniently ready, animated and 15 minutes long, with explanations. Or is it just a rickroll?
      You decide: ua-cam.com/video/6SrsZVdU740/v-deo.html

  • @markmuir7338
    @markmuir7338 Рік тому +1

    My experimental observations on cat solid/liquid simultaneity: if I pick up my cat and hold him close to my chest, over the course of about 20-40s, my body heat will raise his temperature above the critical point and he begins to flow through my arms and land on the floor, where he rapidly regains his cool.

  • @NewMessage
    @NewMessage Рік тому +32

    I dunno if I could gain that much weight in 24 hours.. but I'm willing to give it a go next Thanksgiving!

    • @BattleBunny1979
      @BattleBunny1979 Рік тому +5

      you might end up having your own moon if you do it well enough!

  • @scottdahneke1031
    @scottdahneke1031 Рік тому +2

    Moon pun: "I'm Buzz Aldrin, second man on the moon. Neil before me."

  • @thiagocastrodias2
    @thiagocastrodias2 Рік тому +5

    Wow, that was probably the best video about Moon Formation I've ever seen. Thank you!

    • @franck3279
      @franck3279 Рік тому +1

      Lets use a scale from moonfall to pbs spacetime in the future

  • @zacharywong483
    @zacharywong483 Рік тому +1

    Absolutely lovely video! Logical, understandable explanations paired with intriguing discussion! Great job, Space Time team!

  • @anarchyantz1564
    @anarchyantz1564 Рік тому +5

    Happy New Orbital Revolution around our nearest celestial object! Fantastic visuals today, your team really hit the moon out of the orbit.

  • @adamthompson4072
    @adamthompson4072 Рік тому

    I remember seeing something a couple years ago that suggested we had 2 moons for a while after the formed but before they had cooled. It apparently explained why the the far side of the moon looks so different from the close side by saying the 2 moons had a very slow speed collision because one was chasing the other

  • @MichaelKire
    @MichaelKire Рік тому +4

    Never clicked a video so fast

  • @stewartmartin7376
    @stewartmartin7376 Рік тому +1

    It is quite amazing all these things that had to go right in order to get us

  • @WoAzMM
    @WoAzMM Рік тому +10

    A new PBS Space Time episode? The time must be tooth hurty (sorry Matt, hope it doesn't hurt and gets fixed soon!)

    • @hugomzo
      @hugomzo Рік тому +5

      I thought I was the only one to notice! I've seen so many episodes, it threw me off immediately

    • @wk8219
      @wk8219 Рік тому +2

      @@hugomzo It seemed to have happen just before the episode before this. Last episode only one person mentioned it but 8+ on this one. I dont see any reason mentioned. I hope he's ok.

    • @Hermes_Agoraeus
      @Hermes_Agoraeus Рік тому +3

      @@wk8219 My similar question from the last video didn't get upvoted, so I deleted it thinking I was mistaken--but here we are!

  • @nightmareTomek
    @nightmareTomek Рік тому

    I feel like the language of SpaceTime to communicate us all the exciting stuff changed a bit to better convey how certain scientists are with their findings and their theses, and I like it. It gives us a better understanding how much work has been done and how much there's still to explore.
    I know I'm quite nitpicky, but it's important to me and I like the more precise approach. Anyway, another very interesting video!

  • @Boomer08888
    @Boomer08888 Рік тому +7

    Matt, did you chip a tooth? Hope you're alright!

  • @LordPhobos6502
    @LordPhobos6502 Рік тому +1

    That was amazing, especially the ground view of Theia coming for a visit...
    Now we just need to convince Dr Who to take a trip back and get some footage... from a safe distance, of course.

    • @peterkelley6344
      @peterkelley6344 Рік тому

      Should not be that hard as they are both from the BBC

  • @ramuk1933
    @ramuk1933 Рік тому +4

    Wait... it couldn't have happened over months because the moon, and therefore months, didn't exist yet!

  • @CafeenMan
    @CafeenMan Рік тому +1

    "No one was there to see the moon form."
    Just because you weren't there doesn't mean nobody was. I kind of enjoyed watching that show.

  • @a51mj12
    @a51mj12 Рік тому +4

    Is his tooth chipped? If so, is it easily fixable...

  • @scottgray4623
    @scottgray4623 Рік тому

    Great video, like always! I'm just surprised that you didn't mention that the moon being tidally locked to the earth was a big part of the Theia hypothesis.

  • @aalhard
    @aalhard Рік тому

    Hope your holiday was great. Thanks for coming back 😗

  • @thewhitefang007
    @thewhitefang007 Рік тому

    The YET at 10:36 made me scream LFG as if this were a sporting event. I love science!

  • @KCFreitag
    @KCFreitag Рік тому

    This series very much my flavor. The final explanation of critical cat temperature will warm me for years to come.

  • @ravenwolf7128
    @ravenwolf7128 Рік тому

    best episode ever--clear, to the point and what an awesome topic.

  • @zwerko
    @zwerko Рік тому

    The response to the last question on cats being simultaneously solid and liquid is-chef's kiss!

  • @ashleydaniel1446
    @ashleydaniel1446 Рік тому

    Happy new year Dr o'dowd , can't wait for the videos you bring us

  • @CaritasGothKaraoke
    @CaritasGothKaraoke Рік тому +1

    ope! nope! you said that while these planets were in the same orbit they began to drift together.
    if they were in the same orbit, they were not planets. they hadn’t cleared their neighbourhood yet.
    so they weren’t planets… much like the fact that there are no such things as exoplanets when “exoplanet” is defined as “a planet that orbits another star instead of the sun” since that definition therefore says they’re “celestial bodies that are basically spherical, have cleared their neighbourhood to a degree that makes NDT happy, and orbit the sun but don’t orbit the sun” and since you can’t both orbit the sun and not orbit the sun, there can’t be exoplanets.

  • @helloyes2288
    @helloyes2288 Рік тому

    hah as you said "we can't smash worlds together to our heart's content" I mentally added "yet" - then you said it. Made me feel a personal connection separated as we are across... spacetime.

  • @rygy82
    @rygy82 Рік тому

    It's also worth mentioning, that although Pluto is no longer classified as planet, it is still a large body in our stellar system AND it has natural satellites. In fact, Pluto and Charon are most likely going to be our first known classified binary planetary (planetoidal?) system. Charon and Pluto are tidally locked to each other, the same face of both bodies is always facing each other, and they both orbit a fulcrum point between the two bodies. Very interesting stuff!

  • @kbjerke
    @kbjerke Рік тому

    LOVE the cat reference at the end. Great video, thank you!

  • @captainsarahbee
    @captainsarahbee Рік тому

    Great video to kick off the new year!

  • @Aut0mati0n
    @Aut0mati0n Рік тому +1

    Oh that's such a cool simulation. It looks SO GOOD!

  • @puncheex2
    @puncheex2 Рік тому +1

    I have been lead to believe that Theia was indeed accreting at L4 or L5. The kidney-bean-shaped orbit of an L4 or L5 object increases as the ratio of the masses of the smaller to the larger increases, which is exactly what the two accreting bodies would do. Eventually the orbit would become large enough that the Earth's gravity would overcome the L-point's in an excursion towards the Earth, leading to the collision.

  • @jimmystecher5214
    @jimmystecher5214 Рік тому

    Every time I watch these episodes, it blows my mind. Wow.

  • @alansilverman8500
    @alansilverman8500 Рік тому +1

    You don't need a collision to explain the Earth's axial tilt - Mars's axis has a similar tilt and yet exists in isolation...

  • @jakeuren8688
    @jakeuren8688 Рік тому

    We missed you! Hope you all had a great new year

  • @nicolaiveliki1409
    @nicolaiveliki1409 Рік тому

    regarding your advertisement for learning languages: Schrödinger and Einstein both were quite proficient at speaking English, though at least for Einstein, a heavy Germanesque (he was Swiss) accent is documented. Einstein taught in the USA, Schrödinger in Ireland (yes, during and after WWII, which was much later than 1920, but English was well established as a language for Trade and Science)

  • @jimmyzhao2673
    @jimmyzhao2673 Рік тому +1

    People once walking on the Moon is sounding more and more like 'old man talk' you hear in a café.

    • @JillianJolley
      @JillianJolley Рік тому

      Truths are uncovered only by removing layers of substance first

  • @giovannipescarmona3712
    @giovannipescarmona3712 Рік тому

    This is the best content on the web. THANK YOU!

  • @AliAli-tj9pd
    @AliAli-tj9pd Рік тому

    Well explained and illustrated.
    Thanks for you & your efforts

    • @1209-k3m
      @1209-k3m Рік тому

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  • @AceSpadeThePikachu
    @AceSpadeThePikachu Рік тому +2

    Small correction: Neptune's large captured moon (probably from the Kuiper Belt.) is called "Triton," not "Titan." Titan is the largest moon of Saturn.

  • @tacobell2009
    @tacobell2009 Рік тому +1

    6:25 Sometimes you just gotta eat out that moon.

  • @TerryBollinger
    @TerryBollinger Рік тому

    Thank you! This is an impressive and persuasive simulation result, and you presented it beautifully. I particularly liked the indirect invocation of a three-body resolution to the orbital problem, even if the three bodies formed from the collision of two. That provides the kind of "aha!" moment that makes a result especially persuasive.

    • @TerryBollinger
      @TerryBollinger Рік тому

      @discipleofkrolm excellent point! Simulations can exhibit computational artifacts much like those of pixel images. You could, for example, get the equivalent of resonance effect at a certain granularity of simulation, which in turn would give rise to persuasive false artifacts such as the three bodies.
      Such effects tend to be unpredictably emergent, so there's no simple universal solution for making sure you don't have them. One must, at least, verify that the interaction is scale independent and think carefully about whether the simulation results make sense physically.
      One helpful technique is simulating at slightly different scales. If there's a wild divergence of results over a small change in simulation precision, then there's a good chance you are looking at a computational artifact. Conversely, if the interesting results stay consistent and robust over a range of simulation precision scales, the odds go way up that you're looking at meaningful simulation results that simply required the simulation of more detailed internals of a system.
      That can happen because low-granularity simulations are a lot like erasers, wiping out details that could prove extremely important to getting a physically plausible result.

  • @mikecatterson1
    @mikecatterson1 Рік тому +21

    Yes. The moon only renders when observed.

    • @franck3279
      @franck3279 Рік тому +5

      And it’s conviniently tid1l locked to save on textures.

    • @EnglishMike
      @EnglishMike Рік тому +1

      @@franck3279 And updating to Unreal Engine version 5 really helped in the handling of the various levels of detail required when using telescopes of different sizes.

  • @Sarah.Riedel
    @Sarah.Riedel Рік тому

    Lars von Trier's "Melancholia" is an exquisite and somewhat upsetting artistic rendering of what the hours and moments before a giant impact might look and feel like, as experienced by modern, deeply flawed humans on the ground.

  • @TheRealSkeletor
    @TheRealSkeletor Рік тому

    I have to say, of everything I learned from this episode, the thing which blew my mind the most is that the moon only has 1.23% earth's mass, despite having 1/6th earth's gravity at the surface. That difference in radius sure does make a big difference to the concentration of its gravitational pull.
    Until I saw this, I had always assumed (incorrectly) that the moon was 1/6th the mass of earth.

  • @kin0cho
    @kin0cho Рік тому

    Love this cross-genre episode, keep up the fantastic work 👏