Cities 2 Receives Its BIGGEST Update Yet! Has It Helped!?
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2024
- The Economy 2.0 update finally lands bringing with it a whole host of gameplay improvements and economy changes while fixing a huge list of bugs & glitches reported over the last few months. The biggest patch the game has received since its launch but is it enough to help overcome the games short comings? Lets find out whats changed.
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Some links referenced in this video!
The checklist for migrating your existing cities to the new patch: forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/save-game-checklist-economy-2-0-1-1-4-f1.1688801/
Full patch notes if you'd like to read through every change made in full: forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/patch-notes-1-1-5f1.1687527/
Some interesting decisions made in this patch, some needed and some a little more questionable. Are you diving back in for Economy 2.0 now its here or still not enough to bring you back building?
I decided to give it go again and I am loving it!
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I don't see mention of parks getting visitors. No one is using the dog park or gyms..
the simulation is not existing. very disappointing
These features/animations will be added later.
Yeah the game seems a bit dead, because I don't see ''life'' happening out there. No random events, festivals, neighborhoods getting cleaner or dirtier based on demographics etc. Game feels like a creative-mode rather than a simulation at this point.
@@123mister321 Will they though? These, along with firemen and policemen doing their thing are basic animations I expected at launch. Its much much later now and they still aren't in? Why think they ever will be at this point? The cities look dead.
@@teresmajor7956 Yes. I've been saying this for a long long time now, even in CS1. Add some things like parades, political protests, lemonade stands run by kids, street hockey game, grafiti, crime scenes, etc. It could be spawned based on city or neighbourhood stats like high/low crime rate, etc. It would bring the cities to life.
I wish that the tile upkeep cost wasn’t tied to resources in the tiles. It disincentives county and rural builds if too harshly and makes a lot of the most popular custom maps unusable.
In my opinion it’ll make more cities build up and dense instead of low and out. And I don’t think that’s the right solution either.
Maybe if upkeep was tied to amount built in that tile it would make for a good end game challenge. Not sure.
The tile upkeep is interesting because its one of the first things in the game that disincentives sprawl. You need to balance the need for wealthy families to want to move to more subsidized sprawl with the need to have tax productive city centers. I think thats kind of a cool challenge, but i also think its good to have a slider for that since it's not how everyone wants to play. Too bad thats not in the base game but im glad algernon is adding it
Nice update, thanks Egg 🙂
I'm also waiting for the "detailer's update"! Until then, I'm loving Rannoch.
One day duck, we'll reach the promise land together
@@OVERCHARGEDEGGAnd we shall. We must continue this journey brothers and sisters only into then we will reach gratefulness.
I don't know if anyone else is going through the same problem as me, but in the game, the demand for stores simply disappeared and never came back. The unemployment rate in the city is very high. I don't know what to do, but since I don't see anyone else complaining about this, I don't know if it's just in my game or if this is supposed to be normal, for a city with 3000 inhabitants to only have 5 stores.
Thank you for the update VOD.
I think the Tile upkeep was an overstep. All other changes are really welcome
Thanks for the update.
No mention in the patch notes about some of my parks not being visited by park maintenance trucks even though there are more than half sat doing nothing in the depot.
Not a fan of the tile upkeep mechanic. Overall as much as i enjoy watching creators, such as yourself Egg, building cities I'm still feeling pretty ambivalent about CS2 - maybe i have rose tinted glasses for early CS1 but CS2 seems to have alot of micro simulation which i honestly dont care about. But I'm more into the detailing and creative build side so it makes sense that im not too fussed about the simulation (apart from watching sims and traffic moving around). I'm waiting for something to really engage me with CS2 and then I'll give it another go.
I think the tile fee is basically a property tax collected and sent to regional government. So instead of the subsidy, you get taxed.... like real life.
IRL tiles owned by the municipality also cost upkeep. You have to keep paths clear, see to the health of forests, see to it that the water is clean... Land is never without cost.
Also it's a much needed money sink gameplaywise.
Excellent intro for the update! Thanks Egg!
I'm checking out yours and other videos on this, and I'm deciding to start over with a brand new city while unfreezing all my city tiles, relocking them, then starting said new city. 🤔 Thank you for the information...
I’m going to wait a few days for the mods to be corrected after the update, but I will 100% be back on cities 2. I hope a lot of you come back and play as well because I miss the cities 2 content with mods :)
Thinking I'll still stick with CS 1 while waiting for game engine updates and other simulation fixes like the parks visitors for an example.
It looks really cool and I look forward to seeing if I can build a new city paying the tile upkeep cost.
I've been enjoying cs1 so much as of late. It really is all about the assets and ability to detail for me. With mods like Move it and Anarchy I don't feel like I gain anything at all from cs2
My mods such as Find it and move it do not work anymore after the update…maybe you could help
i don't play Cities: Skylines 2 like the older CS but this is relaxin' & probably nostalgic.
I've watched a few videos on the 2.0 update alot of the focus seems to be the tile upkeep. In my opinion, it's almost an necessary expense. If it's your city, who are you buying the land from? 😂 Typically in real life the city expands by buying plots of land from farm lands, houses that have acres of land that the city wants, etc. I'm sure if a state wanted to open a new city today, they wouldn't buy a tile, it just comes down to who's nearby and how much money do we have to construct roads for this city, etc, etc.
Buying land makes sense. Buying land and paying a tax on it forever doesn't make any sense.
Good to see all the updates. I'm still not finding the time to play until we get some asset options as the size of so many services buildings drives me nuts with schools, police, fire, etc. I want more options to make things that don't dominate like the current base ones do.
I am in middle of making my New York inspired city. Let’s see how challenging this city will become 😬 what I am most interested in, is the ability to finally place the upgradebuildings more freely 🙏
thank you, well put!
as for returning? tbd.
Excited for rannoch and egginburgh!!!!!!!
I tried to play the updated game this morning. Even after disabling all mods save games keep crashing to desktop (no messages). Downloaded a "magnolia county" save game and the same thing happened. Starting from scratch seems okay. Not impressed so far. So "NO" to your question.
When it comes out of beta I might download a flat map and try it.
starting a new city is almost impossible
I got it. Survive until you get tech buildings. Tax them low and hang in there. Growth will be big. They work best between growth and taxes at 9%. Mine are making over 1.5 million a month. When you get 40,000 per hour, skip college and get the university.
Ive found it to be pretty easy, but it takes time. Don't expect to be able to solve every problem immediately.yoh will have to grow into the services like deathcare, fire, education, etc.
My game is now crashing every time I try to boot up. So much for an update.
Next year, this is when I will judge if this game will be able to improve or not, so far there's a certain point where you get bored to play it...lack of content is a killer... for this reason I have been playing Workers and Resources Soviet Republic, and because of it I don't feel like going back to Cities Skylines... I'm not that interested like it was few months it got announced and after the release it was enough to make me feel despair and sadness.
I don't mind people still wanting to give it a try, trust this company Colossal Order and Paradox Interactive from now on, I hope they will fix themselves and legitimately become better...but my trust for them is very low for now. 🥺
I forgot all about Cities Skylines 2, still am not convinced to make the switch.
Are you still playing cs1?
I am still playing CS1
@@OVERCHARGEDEGG Yep, with most of the DLC.
CS1 feels like a more complete game, but 2 is not far off. Maybe next update it'll be nicer.
I'd say the biggest thing still holding the game back as opposed to CS1 is the lack of custom assets, so when that is added you should definitely try it out! Idk if you know this but you can get it via Xbox PC Game Pass and try it out for a month or so, see what you think.
This is an amazing improvement...the game got really boring after about 100k citizens because you had so much money you could do anything, now it looks like bad decisions can lead to you losing money finally...i still want more assets to create more variety within the city though
Yes i'm going to re-install and give the game a try.
Did they do anything about the zoning/spawning issues? Those were pretty basic and obvious problems hopefully adjusted and fixed.
Well. Now my mods don’t appear anymore. No find it, no move it, no tree controller. How do I do now?😅
this new way is way better god getting a city running in the green is not so easy now i really like that
Definitely more challenging now!
After reading feedback regards this update, I think I detect many have wished for a more creative, higher eye candy city painter rather than a city Simulator.
For me, I have always wanted for a more in depth city Simulator, CS1 was enjoyable but a little disappointing to me in this regard. I'm encouraged (relieved) about the direction CS2 to going now. IMO, detailed simulation first, eye candy is great but secondary :)
The mods really elevate it up there but you really need them if you're into your detailing :)
Well, I'll be holding off until at least Q4 and then deciding if I will purchase CS2, methinks :)
As I said it's very encouraging so far though, I just don't like the idea of relying on corrections/features from mods that should be implemented into the game by default.
But in time this will be sorted out (fingers crossed) :)
wont buy the game before a year of patches, honestly, but still enjoy seeing you playing it. I'm more of a simulation type instead of a detailing type so this is a step in the right direction at least.
To be a little blunt, nowadays I often think there's no reason to buy a game until at least it's first sale. You spend less and get what might at least be a somewhat ready game lol
its a good start but even though its clear a lot has been done, it seems like there's so much still to do.
they need to fix the map editor man
Very weird with the upkeep fee for tiles. Where did that come from? Kind of makes no sense. There was plenty of room within the existing game mechanics to make adjustments to make the economy more challenging. They did a bunch of this (taxes, service fees, maintenance fees, import fees, and on and on). Why add something that makes no sense? It's like you are imposing a fee on yourself but you don't get the money. So after all of the impacting changes (which weren't insignificant) there must have still been too much money in the coffers so they just smacked everyone with an arbitrary tile maintenance fee? And it's going to take mods and workarounds to deal with because it's too severe.
There are a few things that I like but I still can't play either on my pc atm until I get it fixed, and I am an impatient person and I wanted CS2 to be a very nice and updated version of CS1 which it is not as of yet. I would be very annoyed if I had started a beautiful city and then these upgrades came in and caused issues. Especially those who use mods. I do not like the tile upkeep. I find it ridiculous. I watched both you and Biffa and like I said there are some things that are nice and somethings that are useless and some things I won't understand since I can't play. I'm seeing it from the outside looking in because I can't play. Anyway, I'll still wait to buy until I feel it's up to speed or better than CS, which I still prefer. I hope they will get there!🤩
Yes, did they fix all the animation around the parks people using the parks and police coming out of the car also firefighter coming out out in fire the right way paramedics getting people those animation makes the game better
We'll, despite the economy 2.0 patch, setting tickets to max for public transport and maximize the minimum taxi fare in the policies tab raising fees to full for the parking lots doesn't seem to change anything for the citizens. They pay regardless.
not sure if i have a bug...but any selection of any item in the bottom menu...means i cannot go back? ....so if i want to build a road i cannot change to anything else??? anyone else have this issue
Not a fan whatsoever of making electricity more expensive from the get go, when what we should have is a more nuanced system where imports became more expensive per mile stone, eventually pricing you out but still allowing it to be viable in the early game. The mechanic as it exists now is pointless.
Except for the obvious (assets, performance, bikes). The biggest simplest addition I want is just custom runways & taxiways for airports. And no it doesnt have to be 100% flat "airport area".
It's great they're making progress on this game in early alpha
Tile upkeep charges were ill-thought and not realistic in any way compared to any real city example... at least in the United States. Cities don't pay for annexing area unless there is an eminent domain issue. They pay for the infrastructure to service the annexed areas. The properties within are owned privately and pay taxes to the city for the infrastructure.
All they had to do was make these changes into policies. Give players the options to colour the game's behaviour there will be quirks that will cause, high rent, low employment and poor school attendance but that's where content creators come in to help with the best concoction of policies for the desired effect.
Thanks for the update, hopefully Egginburgh settles and still plays well
where is the animation when theres a fire when fire fighters are shooting water at the house and animation for the CS 1 when building an house or big buildings where is the animation
Do emergency service vehicles still get stuck in traffic?
I would imagine they do, idk how they could fix that.
As a Final Fantasy 14 MMO Player, their servers will be down for a couple of days before their new expansion. So you know what, I'll give CS2 a go during that 48hour maintenance, It's been a good while since I last gave it a shot. Still hope the next big step is Asset mods and those Region packs so we can get some more building variety and make Neighborhoods feel unique like CS1.
A fellow WoL I see
Also I love Biffa but I greatly disagree with him on the wanting the game to be more of a challenge thing. I've always viewed that state of having more money than you know what to do with as the "Success State" or Reward for building a successful city. Once you get into those higher population numbers, yeah I don't think money should be that much of an issue, imo. I'm also not a fan of the all or nothing approach to difficulty. I imagine most people see and say similar to you where it's like "Well if you don't like the challenge then unlock all map tiles, unlock all buildings, give yourself unlimited money." but then you take away basically any progression to the game at all. There has to be a middle ground somewhere either with sliders like Algeron wants to do or something. I worry like in their haste to satisfy Biffa's feed back of more challenge, they've pushed to far in the other direction.
@@Elidan1012 Indeed :D
Games shouldn't be dumbed down. There should be challenge and people need to learn to get better in games. If people want easy they can choose it before in the menu. If they don't like that the game isn't for them. The more challenge the better. The game is going in the right direction.
@@lisekiilstofte5619 I'm not arguing against challenge it can be good, but go too hard in the other direction and you risk losing the casual/midcore audience. It's worth remembering this is a city builder, not some tough as nails action game. Imo City Builders have for the past Idk 15 or so years if not longer appealed to a more creative and casual audience. Challenge is good but imo it shouldn't be the default, and it should have more scale than just binary off/on options. A slider like the mod author wants to introduce that lets you scale how much you want the tile upkeep to be is a good idea of this. Imagine being able to scale things like that or for another example how expensive service upkeeps are, It provides more player choice in how challenging the difficulty is. Instead of the limiting "just play with unlimited money if you don't like it" mindset.
I'm getting a bug where my UI disappears when I open the road tool. Is anyone else getting this?
I had this too. Disabling everything from the Extra Series (extra detailing, extra surface etc.) fixed it for me.
I support the tile service fee…land is never just free it needs maintenance which isn’t free.
not trying to bring the update down but....i could care less about most of this stuff tbh and that will be that for the summer from CO
If I spend 1500 on a new PC how will C2 run and what components should I focus on?
CS2 eats your GPU the most, CPU the second. I'd go at least 32GB of Ram to future proof yourself too
I'm coming back ! Though I never left XD
At a glance I'm happy reading a lot of the changes but the Tiles Upkeep is definately a bit of a red flag to me as I always tend to lean towards smaller cities and rural towns and villages as opposed to massive megacities. Just looking at Egginborough's budget is very disturbing. Wouldn't have been soo bad if it were around 1/4 or less of your total budget but that was a huge chunk of your budget going on "land tax" alone! (In my opinion it should have been an on option of buying the land squares outright for a bigger fee or taking out a loan for it and paying for it over a lengthy duration of time. This current system looks like its going to kill off many existing cities, forcing loads of people to start fresh builds). I'll be definately considering a mod to disable that when I finally get around to playing it in the autumn-winter.
Loved CS 1 but not bought #2 yet, is it now worth buying after this massive patch? Or should I wait another 6 months? Thanks for the video.
Its certainly better and more stable than launch but needs some PDX mods to make it properly enjoyable. I'd say if you haven't played yet, no wouldn't be an awful time to try it
I would definitely wait until end of the year. Then we see clearer.
As you described the tile upkeep cost, my thought was instantly what the mod does. Why didn't the devs think of that and include it? It's like they don't play the game. I'll continue with cs1 until the new game us out of beta. It remains one of the worst game purchases I've made, on par with the simcity release that killed the series.
Most of this won't change much I feel. As long as we can't exactly moniter most of these things, it will still feel like no actual simulation is happeninf
Custom assets next. Hopefully in the next month.
Tile upkeep is a typical L.. who asked for that? Why. Wtf 😂
Also what is this release schedule? Why release it on a Monday and not Friday before the weekend?
Next month is summer holiday, so earliest in August.
Friday was a public holiday in Finland. Also, if there a secret bug then there's no one to fix it all weekend. Monday is fine.
@@japes7yea because they are that quick fixing the game and bugs, right? 👀
I feel like the devs knew the game would take a full year after release date to be a enjoyable fun filled experience. They had a agenda. Release the game, "the buyers will be paying for this games salary for the year and during that year we will tidy up all the major things we already knew would hagel and nag experienced players. At this point I see that the game was a 100% cashgrab game.
Extremely thankful I didn't rework a computers specs for this game. I'll be waiting for future updates amd keep playing CS1 with all expansions until I hear the game is at least garnishing players again.
Overcharged Egg, do you enjoy this game? Serious question.
One of the awesome bug fixes is that now the UI breaks when I select a tool, forcing me to have to kill the program. Well done team. No doubt it’s a mod clash, so of course I’ll have to spend MY time troubleshooting all the mods to fix it. Something I used to have to do with the first game, cuz you know, mods kinda weren’t officially supported for that title. So I ask, why bother having official support for mods if I gotta disable them all just for the game to run every time there’s an update? You said it Egg, we shouldn’t have to rely on mods, and we shouldn’t have to troubleshoot products every time they make an update as if we are alpha testers for Star Citizen. #ModernGameDevelopmentIsAJoke
whelp back to civ 6 and manor lords, cause they've made it stupid hard to start a city... imo.
"This game was totally fine when we released it."
Really?
"No, here's 3 pages of bug fixes and a total overhaul to the economy because nothing worked properly. Also, we're going to make it so hard to re-balance your existing cities that all you content creators should definitely start new cities because the existing ones make us look bad. And if the modders could get back to work fixing everything else, we'd really appreciate it."
why you have 1.4 , i have 1.5
Tile upkeep makes no sense.
Lucka you got 1.7 billions to take from. I just think on me that got 3 million I just chras after 2 minutes
Oh god, I already struggle to play the game, as I'm a casual player who just wants to make a nice looking city, the tile upkeep definitely makes me to not want to play it without unlimited funds 😅😂 although I think I've found it harder to play in normal conditions, so just use unlimited and unlocked coz I don't wanna stress over everything lol
I wish there were set difficulty options? Or even a recommendation notification on how to fix something (like bad traffic, look into upgrading to more lanes or add a roundabout?) but this is all biased opinion, as 90% of the time I have no clue what I'm doing when I'm playing lol
I not have a bunch high density office buildings with only 5 people working. I also have no residential demand but my population keeps going up by 5k an hour. My 500k city doubled to over a million people without zoning any residential demand. Cant zone any new res buildings and only 5 people can work in high res office buildings . Game is broken , i cant figure out where all these people are moving in from . I cant really stand playing this game no more because no matter how much time or perfect zoning you do the game and the developers are just broken and cant be fixed
need to fix the game crashing even if u dont use mods as long as they had to make this game im not impressed with there work be honest idk who is the person making the timeline for work but they need to fire and hire someone that can see whats needed done ahead of the bugs and issues
They induce the tile upkeep so you start a new game. This is the nonsense They need to cut out and just make the game as it supposed to be made.
This update sucks. Dogs are now driving the cars.
Seriously?
After every patch update you are forced to start a new city because with old saves is so pointless to continue.
I disagree. Depending on how you've already built your pre-2.0 update, your judicial usage of Mods, and whether you've relied on outsourced services...
There are always ways to keep your city through and beyond.
It might very well be challenging but I absolutely promise you that if you work through those challenges without letting them get to you, it will be a much more rewarding and educational experience. You'll not only appreciate the game better but your mastery over it.
Remember, it's not about the destination but the journey to get there.
To be honest, I think the game is broken now, so basically, if you have a school, high school, grave yard, fire station, and basic utilities, you end up having a permit unless you reduce their budgets and up the tax to 20% and then your population collapses. It's awful
You have to grow your community to a size that they can actually sustain those things. Many smaller towns actually share schools for this very reason: they're expensive and you can get a bigger bang-for-buck by combining school systems and sending your kids one town over
The game is too hard now I quit lol.
bullsh*t tile upkeep??wtf bro
Please Colossal Order make this game wotk right. How hard could it really be..?
It's working right?
I am super excited for all of these changes. I am certain that all of the issues this update brings will all be ironed out before Console release. Thank you, Egg! Appreciate your POV and coverage on the new update. 🫡
I don't know about anyone else but I hate that all residential is the same colour green. Albeit commercial/residential is aqua. Not into either game now, been burnt with expecting some simply mechanics that some European clowns have devised as fixing the game but doesn't.
As someone who still can’t play this game because I’m on console this all sounds great 🫥
One day mate, one day 🙏