Is this the future of racehorse training?
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2017
- Young racehorses are being put through their paces in Berkshire, but it's not jockeys who are doing the training, instead it's a machine designed by rollercoaster engineers.
While the Kurtsystem may look like something from a theme-park, at £20 million it is more than just a bit of fun and is designed to eliminate jockeys' human error from the pre-training of racehorses.
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So this method basically eliminates a horse's ability to refuse, which is awful. They're animals with emotions, not robots. Some days horses want to run, some days they DON'T, and physically tying them into a machine that forces them to run regardless of how they feel isn't going to create racehorses, it's going to give you a horse that can't trust you to stop. Wait until these horses throw off their riders at the first opportunity because they have a super unhealthy relationship with the sport.
Could I please use this sentence in my text about why horse racing should be banned? I will send it to you when it’s done, by the way. Thank you :)
@@Pink_equestrianI say it shouldn’t be banned, but it needs better regulation. All sports can be abusive, and they tend to be when people get money involved
@@SwuishyK it should be banned the horses are 2 3 4 years old this is giving them problems for life it isn't fair or right to ask them to gallop for so long that they have heart attacks or break a leg and get euthanized just for human entertainment and profit. The horses don't deserve to be used for this tied to a machine the horses can't control this is dumb, stupid and pathetic its a new low for he industry at least if they have a jockey on their backs they can stop and have more control and freedom over their movement and less chance of being injured and dragged along the ground which just sounds horrible and no horse deserves that
Oh great. Now the horses are going to learn to gallop in pairs of two!!
marinar17 my favorite comment so far lmao
this makes the whole horses getting injured problem alot worse because when one horse trips and gets hurt they will be dragged across the ground at 30 or 40 miles an hour for who knows how long and will most likely be dead by the time someone notices it i just wanted to point that out here
The machine stops every hour so they can dig the fallen out
Oh, thank goodness
this is not fair to the horse, some horses might not be able to go the speed as others and what if one trips or something?
Loco Jo it catches it
Your profile pic is vile 🤢🤢
As someone who wants to become a racer i agree...They should be free
@@hehoihallowatfijn you opinion is vilely ignorant
@@brockwillenborg7517 stfu
Honestly if the racing industry adopts this “method” then they shouldn’t be included in the equestrian community.
Why?
agreed
I agree as someone who wants to be a racer... they shouldn’t be “trained” like this there way of it is galloping across the feild
It’s just a tool to use as part of your training regiment. The industry has been using walking machines for decades. It’s a tool, just like a walker, a swimming pool and a track. All great tools to use when conditioning a horse. Do you think Olympic runners don’t use treadmills or ellipticals as tools in there training camps? Duh!
@@joeyprince2910 a walker is very different. If the horse trips or something it is easy to stop, however travelling at 30 miles an hour it is far more difficult and takes longer to stop is something goes wrong
bad. idea. what if the horse trips? there DRAGGED???its just not right AT ALL
Agree
I literally just told my mom the same exact thing. It's technically animal cruelty. Forcing them to gallop as fast as they can. I mean what if they cant even gallop as fast as the machine is going. It's not fair to the poor horses.
Lyre Burch actaully you will find, some jockeys will care alot and make sure they are okay to run etc. Its like at the grand national this year, 6-10 horses where pulled out because they didnt want them to cause any injuries while running on horrible ground. And at the start u can see the horses are galloping at a decent pase🤦🏼♀️
I spoke with a trainer who does this and there is a emergency stop/ slow down button also cameras EVERYWHERE to watch them closely
This little clip did not show exactly everything. The machine can do.
Charlene yeah but the nwchine can’t stop in one go🤦🏼♀️ th3 horse Will still get drages until the horses and nachine stop
They are 2 years old. LEAVE THEM ALONE!
Unicorn Muffin that’s the proper age to start training any horse
I must agree if you do race wait till they are 3 years old, the babies do not develop they're full bone leg structure until 3 years old because we do the racehorses and we always always always wait until they are three to ride them we hold her train and train with a light saddle and make them calm and love on them and let them be horses loose out in a pasture
Ground training is very useful starting asap. I start my handling with my foals from day one.
@@miakoob1581 no it isn't for something like racing especially. young horses often die on the track for this reason. horse racing is cruel either way so many horses die every year from complications on the track
@@miakoob1581 maybe for ground work like teaching them how to behave on a lunge line but definitely not for riding.
This is absolutely abhorrent. Disgusting. People willing to bet on abuse of animals.
How about If we dont start/race/compete with fillies n colts at such a young age? Change laws none under 30 months in competition? (I see 15 month olds starting under saddle in the race industry, western pleasure events and other events- kinda asking for injuries and life issues in my opinion...... )
I think that would solve a lot of injury problems in horses to let the mature just a little longer than many give them. then use this machine to condition them as slightly more mature horses.... Most horses raceing/show life is over before it is even a mature horse, then we have a horse age 3 to 5 with a body that has bern overworked for its maturity with physical issues and often mentally is stuck on go that often are just disposed of as injuries keep them from being suitable for riding in future.
I must say though It is an amazing invention and I hope it does well for the future of the equine industry.
It’s a very valid point, and I agree with your point of view. The problem isn’t the trainers, it’s the public and the owners. As a fan I really enjoy watching the 2 year olds compete, it’s my favourite part of the game. As an owner who just shelled out $100k+ for a yearling and has to pay monthly training bills that range anywhere between $2800 and $4600 per month, they simply don’t want to pay an extra 12 to 14 months in training fees just to see if they are going to have a horse that can compete or do they simply have another riding horse. Ask yourself if you were the owner would you want to pay an extra $40,000 to $65,000 to find out you only have a riding horse that’s worth $2000 ? There are many other factors that come into play, from the breeding all they way up to when the horse retires. I wish it wasn’t this way, and horses weren’t so expensive to keep and maintain. But it is, and unfortunately money dictates just about everything we do today. SAD 😞
Totally agree about waiting until 30 months to compete. Gotta consider horse lifespan (about 25 years), being lame is a very serious quality of life issue for them. If they're healthy they can enjoy pleasure riding throughout their entire adulthood.
Y’all do know that they already have races that your horse have to of age to enter
It's a great idea other than it's 100% wrong.
By racing at 2 horse gain bone density that won't happen otherwise
@@snowherd2457 Most of the big stakes races are for 2 and 3-year olds. The comment notes the problems with the horses’ bodies by the time they’re mature. Most owners don’t want to keep them around if they’re not making money. Look at all the feedlots in NA that buy groups of thoroughbreds, often with tattoos burned or cut out.
The money spent on this could have gone into making a sanctuary for all their retired runners, think about it. I used to bet a lot but because of this the racing industry will never see another penny from me ever again. This is just too much.
Is it to much when an Olympic runner trains on a treadmill?
@@joeyprince2910 It is when you strap the olympic runner to the treadmill against his will where he cannot stop until the allotted time is over or he will just get dragged along the moving floor.
@@IndieB3 Well put.
I don't like this :/
Poor horses...what would happen if one of them get injured? Will they stop?
Then they will never come racing horses. They will die
Ditule Jiráková yes it will stop automatic
No
There's no way for it to stop
It just keeep going around for 3 hours at a time
I think the racing industry think we're all idiots. This is literally the dumbest thing ever. Even though I hate racing, it is much safer for a jockey to gallop them. This is not the future, this is frickin dumb.
The vets and trainers- anyone ! Will say whatever they need to say to make this sport more palatable.
It's not clear what they're trying to accomplish here. If the goal is to gradually introduce the horse to racing while going easy on the legs, wouldn't it be better to break them to harness with a lot of slow miles around the track to build up stamina? You'd still have the human interface--voice and lines--in this case. But the slow approach--machine or jog cart--is quite a departure from current racing theory which involves pent up energy and a quick release from the gate. I think the idea has merit and should be seriously considered.
Agreed!!
Ruining horse training and removing the talent it takes to be able to train a horse
All that will com out of my mouth is the word sickening
Oh darling if only you’d stop thinking of your money and realized that you just made yourself and idiot in front of everyone
I love racing so much, however this doesn't sit right with me. I see some possibilities, as in maybe this gives a horse training of what it is like to be around other horses and big things (the machinery may sport as a training device to the noise of the crowd and the cramp of the field going around the clubhouse turn) however once accident and this might all go wrong. Plus, isn't equestrianism all about harmony between horse and man? The racing industry isn't the only place where mechanism is evolving: our entire world is being shaped by machines. So I'm not surprised. But horsemanship dates back to the oldest of times, and racing does too, and they never needed machines. Our horses have fared well underneath jockeys. Let's not forsake the beautiful harmony for machines! Sure, machines like cars and such have done us some good, but I do not see why the racing industry needs them, too. It just doesn't. Leave our horses, jockeys, horsemen, our sport, and our old harmonic ways alone!
That’s a great comment!
Yeah cars have done some good but I'd say it's outweighed by all the roadkill and pollution and greenhouse effects not to mention all the work needed and resources taken on building more advanced roads for the metal behemoths.
Watch 'the final race' and if you say "I love racing so much" again. Take it as a fact that you are evil at heart
That is the worst thing I’ve EVER seen! A horse can easily trip and get hurt, yes they can stop it, but horses at full gallop need to be slowed. So a horse will be dragged around for a while. And a jockey can tell when a horse is tired, a machine can’t. This is a new low for the industry, and they’re already down there. People need to open their eyes and end this all together
If this becomes more safe, then sure go ahead. BUT right now it’s not safe, if it trips, if the rope gets caught, or just simply the machine glitch’s
How is that even legal?
how are u legal?
I saw this being constructed in 2015 I think as I had to collect a tractor that they had hired from the company I was working for I had no idea what it was they where constructing until I spoke with the on site manager .
At this rate just make robo horses and use the same robo horses for every race. If you use a machine you just teach them all the same thing the same way. This is stupid and a waste of millions of dollars.
Mytty Dohun PREACH
this is bullshit. if a horse trips, either it stops dead in its tracks and all the horses slam and get injured or it slowly stops as the horse is dragged.
Did anything ever come of this Kurtsystem? I can't find anything newer than 2017, was hoping it would fail, honestly
This instrument looks like a rollercoaster
It doesn't help that horses aren't fully grown until they're about four years old so when you start training at two years old you're the ones doing more harm than good
Wolff's Law
@@meganproffitt424 Doesn’t address the overloading of growing joints, ligaments and tendons.
Bones adapt to light work. @@Ketowski
@@meganproffitt424 Ignoring points about soft tissues.
@@meganproffitt424 Many who go to the gym often already know this.
OH I get it they just want to save money instead of hiring a jokey which would know if something is wrong THESE HOD DAMN IDIOTS AND HORSE ABUSERS makes me sick ( if ppl in horse racing industry treated horses better then I would be ok with them but never ever ever this horse dragging device)
anyone have footage of a horse tripping and falling while at a gallop while tied to this thing?
It hurts to watch this😩
The main selling point of that machine is not saving the horses but saving money.That uniform type of training is asking a horse with ailments to keep up with a horse with less ailments or none.That guy at the control sounds like a robot
This is so unsafe for the horses. But it just goes to show that all they care about is making a profit of the horses and only see them as a machine. No horsemanship or care what so ever.
Wow! It will be interesting to follow the comprehensive reviews by the Breaking and Training Facilities, training track locations, and rehab centers.
[Is this a notable development in automated, reduced human--guidance training?]
omg u can tell they hate it
This is awful what if a horse trips what if they run out of breath YOUR NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH TO WORK WITH HORSES
I agree this is a stupid idea a horse could get injured or die. What is happening to our world people are just not thinking about our horses safety.
I don’t think this is safe...
They should add heart monitors and lung monitors and lifting machines per horse slot incase a horse needs to be lifted incase for a safety check.
What the hell. That looks terrifying for horses.
Mankinds identification with mind has allowed the mind to become the master of us. That's how we are able to exploit other life and destroy our planet. Remember Wisdom?
can this machine identified these horses are lame or sound what a animal cruelty...WORDS...
That’s what the humans are there for. Stupidity
Obviously every horse has the same physiological and same training needs that's why it can be done with a machine!what a way to further the horse slave industry.
all different and mentally
You're a 🤡
Did they actually just say that this would improve the welfare for young horses? I'm sorry but these are clearly yearlings that's basically like forcing your toddler to run until you ask them to stop. Are you that greedy for money that you can't even wait for the horses bones to develope, even then, this machine is a total disgrace I'm surprised even the racing industry which is full of abuse went this far. Disgusting.
What if a horse trips and breaks a leg? Which is likely considering how tiny their legs are, they’re still developing their bones since they aren’t even 3, and there’s a bunch of horses strapped to a huge machine? It’s going to be dragged at a full gallop until the machine stops. Idiots.
Remove human error, like what you’re just making it worse like what if one of them trips break his leg or his neck and it dragged
What a nightmare, bio-industry for the most basic sport of horseriding.
Das ist doch Krank.
What happens if the horse trips and falls down?
i guess nothing
Do i even care about the human race anymore......
I don't but I do know something has to change thats why I do care enough about the animals to get rid of all the animals suffering and abuse at the hands of Homo Sapien Wise Man I don't think we're wise at all to be honest and I think we should all try and address that and start changing the planet for the better not for worse so we can all enjoy life on this planet a whole lot more
Screw the people that made that if a horse brakes there leg then what they get dragged people are so thirsty for money they don't think about the horses that they could hurt the horses could hurt themselves and then they will be dragged and could possibly be dragged clear until they stop the machines then the horse has to be put down some jockeys have their horses slaughtered I mean that I would love to have a retired racehorse and that would make much more sense than to kill them they could sell them or something. I say stop horse abuse like search up the big lick then watch the pain the horses have to go through because of the things man have done to them they are like humans they have feelings and thoughts and other things I wish that horse abuse was no more and that the horses would stop being slaughtered because they can't race anymore and I think that is enough to explain how stupid these people are because they are just being lazy if you ask me I would take all thoughts horses and they could be used as trail horses if they are old, used, and retired racehorse I would take every single one and no horse deserves to die at a young age how would you like to die at a young age. Have you ever thought about how the horses feel, oh wait they are only in it for the money and nothing else, I would do it for fun instead of the money. Money can make people not care about anything else just the money. I say stop animal abuse and search up Tennessee Walking Horse the big lick watch the pain that they have to go through just to satisfy their owners now that's sad because their owners put oils and other things right above their hoof then every step is pain that's why the do that and the owners only are in it for the money. I want you to think if you where a Tennessee Walking Horse how would you feel for every step that you take pain runs through out your whole leg, so when you see a person beating their horse tell them this "how would you feel if you where the horse and the horse was you and beating you how would you feel." Horse have feelings to you know they are not just animals that think that every move has to be controlled by the owner the horse dose all the fancy work we do some of the work and that's all we need to atop horse abuse. I say stop the horse abuse and any animal abuse just stop and think how the animal feels, just stop and think, if you're beating it then imagine how you would feel if you where getting beaten that animal may look fine but their somewhere in his/her life there has been abuse and that horse or animal could be scared for life so stop and think how would you feel, mast stop the abuse
The horse taco industry sucks and kills horses....I will not go further than that bc it covers it all
Horse breaks its leg and goes down and the rest follow
No stop. Stops joker's hurting YOUNG horses. Young as in don't do this
Just keep treating horses like machines that’s great 🙄 also how are you supposed to feel if something is wrong in the horse if no one’s riding it?
I’m no where close to an animal rights activist. Or anything to that effect. And I love eating meat lol but what I will say is.... this looks wrong and we are the monsters/aliens we have been looking for all this time. Imagine reverse situation.... a planet of horses just took some humans and put them on a machine to run 😂😂 aghhh well. Life. Nice to be at the top of the food chain and the most “intelligent” I’ll tell you that.
Gente que é issso que estrutura e essa. Muito bom é interessante quem fez. .... Linda estrutura
Crazy
What if one of the horses tripped?! 🙀
Wtf 😒 the racing industry should be banned. Disgusting how many horses get discharged for slaughter each year 🤬
As a lifelong equestrian, this does not sit well with me at all. One horse goes down an then they’re all traumatized for life, and we all know what happens to race horses that don’t perform. Disgusting idea and a product of late capitalistic greed.
What happens to racehorses that don't perform? You should know, you're a, "lifelong equestrian". Many of those horses you ride just might've come from the track.
@@meganproffitt424 Yeah, the ones that don’t get sold in batches to feedlots with tattoos burned or cut out. Or sent live to slaughter for European and Japanese markets.
To everyone who commented in regards to “what if the horse falls the machine will just drag them” . Do you think that with all the $ they spent on this machine that they didn’t install every and all safety features. I’m sure the first thing the addressed was what if the horse were to fall. Do you think the owner or trainer do a multi million dollar horse would put it in a unsafe machine. This is just a tool to condition the horse without having to carry the Weight of a jockey. It also controls their speed so you don’t have to deal with a runaway horse on the track which is very common especially with young horses. Common Sense
that's horrible! The horse could trip and be dragged. And if they have a rider, they will be able to tell when the horse is tiring, but a machine will not. Ultimately, a machine will not be on the back of the horse during a race, a jockey will be there and the horse won't be ready for that. You're taking horse racing hatred to a new level.
Eventually machines will be on the horse’s back. They’re developing robots for that purpose.
So many things can go wrong.
What if a horse can't keep up with the speed that the machine goes? I don't agree with this
And if the horse gets hurt while the machine keeps going ?
Too much repetition...this will only cause injury....they need hills with rocks and more time moving with their heads down.
Are you stupid, you don’t train race horses over hills with rocks. That’s a sure way to injure your horse. A large number of these horses are worth more than your house.
just seems kinda pointless. Why not just give them each a rider and create jobs in the process? Everyone is so reliant on technology and things like this only make it worse. Do we really want to live in a world where machinery is taking over all our jobs? Even the look on the lady's face at 2:04 is like "wtf is this nonsense can I just saddle up already?"
Abusement Park you mean
How do you stop it immediately if a horse falls? not one question was asked no shown, show me how this is safe. but if all fails you can still use this as an amusement ride to pay for itself if you set up seats.
For anyone sayings it mean you also must think a horse walker is a horrid contraption because thats all it is, its fine if you dont like either however its just a walker that can take more horses and go faster. if a horse on a walker falls the walker doesn't stop and neither will this so if you don't like one you cant like either. I think its a very good idea, will keep lots of horses fit at the same time and will be brilliant for desensitisation. Just because it can go 30mph (galloping) doesn't mean it will and likely hood is when it does there wont be many horses on it. Doesn't even look like the machine would actually allow a gallop as there isn't much room for extension of the hind or neck considering the head is tied and there is a support at the hind quarters. There is no galloping in this video fyi just canter/extended canter that is collected and calm surprisingly.
Walker, jogger. Big difference. Speed does matter.
Also, supposedly only for training. Once someone purchases it, the manufacturer won’t have any control what it’s used for.
Wonder what has happened to this training tool.
In this industry horses are just machines for profit to them. Racing industry doesn’t care if this is good for the horses. What if a horse is in pain? He doesn’t have a chance to stop or let a rider know maybe they would not care anyway.
I don’t think they spent twenty million Pounds without taking in consideration the possibility of tripping like people say, it wouldn’t make sense putting your pricy horse in a machine that could injure it, they know what they’re doing, there’s even a worker every two horses to check on them, the machine also has walk and canter mode not just gallop, and the last wagon is a cabin with a monitor, there are cameras on each couple; besides this system allows the yearling’s developing bones to strenghten without carrying the weight of a rider, it was designed to avoid young horses being pushed too hard. At least go read about how it works before judging.
The smartest person in this thread. And it was simply common sense. What does that say about everybody else. Unfortunately that’s very sad.
However, if one of the horses stumbles, it will be dragged along the ground and they will not be able to stop the other running horses as quickly
Yeah, we notice every year the number of horses injured that need to be euthanized. If safety was paramount the breeding for speed wouldn’t trump soundness and the need for decent feet. Some of the worst in the horse industry.
Abuse..
What if they trip? There dragged?
Did you see the red button?
@@meganproffitt424 Yeah, on all the horses, too. They’ll all stop immediately, no injuries. The bar is very low in the racing industry.
now do horse react to horse racing
what if they trip over?
Why do we need that oh my gosh
So cruel this isn't right at all
What a cruel practice ,all for the greed go trainers breeders and owners ,I bet half of these horses end up at the slaughterhouse
viv coombe that’s exactly where many of them go. We have so many rescues at our farm that were race horses that were or are in terrible condition. So many skinny and one with its back legs where the fetlock is flat and can touch the ground. She should be put down but the owner is stupid and thinks she’ll get better. But it makes me very sad with all of this
@@ezmazethings7158 Suspensory ligament injury. Too bad. The Tennessee Walker padded shows are emulating the racing industry, apparently.
Complete loss of Jockey/Horse synergy.
Surprized it wasn't built in Newmarket where the majority of young flat horses are trained.
Mow the lawn jockey?
Stop abusing animals for entertainment and sport!!!
What?
totally agree with you
That’s so dangerous lol
emma reed sweetheart open your eyes this is a death divice
Absolutely despicable
I can’t even watch till the end
Orrrrrrrrr. You could just ban horse racing. Just a thought. I know for sure nobody ever thought of that! Lol.
Kats Berkey preach
Banning horseracing will mean the end of the horses, the jobs, the infrastructure etc. Betting of course will just change to another event. Horses love to run, we are lucky to get to enjoy it.
@@anotherblonde "Horses love to run" Well yeah they do but not at unnatural speeds like 70km/h
@@vomitpod4099 70kph = 43.496mph. Thoroughbreds are bred for speed, most records in UK are done on straight safe grass tracks, not sloppy turning tracks on lasix like in America. It's as safe as they can make it on the flat and over the jumps. There is no feeling like being on a galloping horse.
tina silver Oml i know that thoroughbreds love galloping and stuff but it’s not okay to force a horse to run beyond it’s limits. Racehorses often even bleed from their lungs because of that. Horseracing maybe looks like a cool sport and the horses are treated like royalty in the stables but not on the racetrack. I also hope that u know what happens to racehorses when no one needs them anymore.
Horrific
Wow what is that
absolutely and utterly ridiculous
Some horses wearing oxygen depriving fabric ear muffs. Fabric 'density' 'impervious' deprives heat generated by horse' brain to be released. Very very cruel & ignorant in design & use. I would cut some holes with simple scissor ends to enable heat release. Wear a tight knotted hood of similar poly fabric around your own face & walk for a while generating brain heat & you will quickly realise the resulting inescapable brain heat unable to be released, causes. Intolerable! And desperation to remove that hood quick!
this is awful I hate people who race these horses all the people really care about when racing is the money there just using horses for money!
REDICULOUS AND STUPID IDEA, the chances of a horse TRIPPING is too High, that horse will then get DRAGGED unless the stupid machine can stop right that second, but then all the other horses will run into the front of each other and ALSO HURT themselves, WHY ARE PEOPLE SO LAZY JUST GET ON THE HORSE AND RIDE IT FOR GOD SAKE!! Not that I even like horse racing or the racing industry and think its HORSE ABUSE but riding the horse is at least better than that machine!
This is stupid what if the horse falls or breaks a leg it won’t stop
Disgusting . I hope one doesn't break down while hooked up.there joints aren't fused till four years old.there mental state is not mature till four. Horses are treated individually as they all have different requirements. This is cruel and unnecessary bullshit.stop letting robots take jobs !!!!
We're is the long term retirement plan for race horses ,no the industry thrives on greed ,shame on you all
Absolutely horrible
Like what the heck
I sure hope not.😢
What the heck