Why Naruto VS Ichigo Isn’t Close
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Naruto Uzimaki VS Ichigo Kurosaki. Who is the true winner of this matchup? One of the most heavily debated topics in all of Anime Power Scaling. So who wins? Watch till the end to find out.
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The scariest thing about the bleachverse is that the soul society can kidnap an entire city, and replace it with an exact replica. Imagine if naruto came home to find out that pain called up his shinigami buddies and just had konoha taken to another dimension/universe. Way crazier than any battling.
lowballed the fuck outta ichigo just for him to still curbstomp 😭🤦🏾♂️🔥
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Tbf he didn't really say everything about naruto either
@@chrono733 you really think Naruto is hitting Galaxy level ?
@@GoldWIS Neither of these characters are galaxy level
@@dizzyb2309yeah I agree. At most Ichigo is universal level.
I'm glad people are starting to understand the over the top powers in Bleach. These characters go crazy AF.
And this guy even lowballed the bleach characters.
You can get them to high multi+-low complex multiversal.
he lowballed the doodoo out of Ichigo . saying Yhwach isnt BAREST OF MINIMUM universal+ in 2023 is comedy to the highest degree
Dragon Ball
Bleach
Naruto
One Piece
I knew it from the starting and that's how these 4 anime are.... I added dragon ball because people thinks it's in the big 3 lol..... Keep whining and crying but Naruto verse is stronger than One Piece... Not to mention that Boruto shit..... It might even surpass Bleach because Bleach has ended on the other hand Boruto is still going.
@@chrisboricua1911 Bro I’m so glad someone else with common sense exists. YWACH Bach is top 5 strongest anime characters ever concept. The character literal only weakness is dependent on him allowing you to do it unless he just says no 💀. otherwise he just says no to whatever you do to him or around him.
@@smilyface4300 well actually his only weakness is a plot arrow made by the author to turn off "The Almighty" ability which is basically Plot Manipulation and Fate Manipulation and his other weakness is Sosuke Aizen
mutafuka lowballed him and ichigo still claps
@Markus 😂😂😂 Narutotard triggered 😂😂
@Markus when you have no idea about AP
@Markus think of it however you want to. I’m not deluding myself even if I hate or haven’t watched a show.
@Markus you’ve watched the show with your eyes at the back of your head then. Stone level AP you say? Talk about Aizen destroying the Cleaner. Tell me what the Cleaner resembles.
@Markus ichigo is Galaxy-Uni drop cord so you can loose
I haven't wached the video yet but I'm gona guess that ichigo slams
I mean is that is the factual Outcome
@@GokuZX2000 It is
@@GokuZX2000 ofc
@@GokuZX2000 obviously
@@OmenLamb yep
Bro didn't even go into Ichigo's EARLY SERIES light speed scaling using his scaling above the EARLY SEIRES lieutenants who can react to light and he STILL managed to beat his ass 60 40
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And he said that the soul king is star level and in his prime the soul king is literally the strongest in the verse and compared almost dead soul king to yhawch
To he fair though, Naruto in part 2 was already faster than light due to the fight with haku and his ice mirrors
@@deucehudson4887
Naruto light speed scaling is inconsistent and makes zero sense. Bleach scaling isn't as there are multiple characters in the early arcs showing multiple light speed+ feats
@@MarcoCarlini-yi4yb what makes you say Naruto light speed scaling is inconsistent when part one Naruto already has light speed reaction time due to his fight with haku
The bleach lowball is crazy
*highball
@@RaZz_skwdym kenpachi destroyed a whole meteor, and either way i dont think bleach characters need to destroy the planet, environment, or the fucking solar system, just because you want more damn feats, that is not how it works, its called fucking plot, the plot wouldn’t fucking exist if they did that, also to mention they are trying to fucking protect people without causing high damage, lick my balls if you think otherwise
Massively lowball
@@RaZz_sklow ball he called the universe that the soul King split into 2 universes "galaxies" lmao that's a lowball
@@RaZz_sk The soul king splits realities to create world and Ichigo was planned to replace him.
Most of the time people forget that Ichigo has the ability to remove souls from living beings with his sword
Ichigo's spirit pressure alone might be enough to kill Naruto. Yeah you are right this fight isn't even close lol.
u dreaming
@@SnowyLL nah u dreaming
you know how retard you sound?@@RadiantCloudSky
Naruto on top your crazy
@@ogggamingandmore No he’s not
Base Ichigo from the very first 30 episodes was already wielding a skyscraper disguised as a sword.
Ichigo within the first 100 episode slams the whole verse. All he needs is to activate his bankai and he negs him
@@Xavier-jj6tx omolomo, u dey fantasize me, come collect fanta
People are waaaay too literal when Naruto characters say "they'll destroy the world" Madara's and Obito's goal was never to blow up the planet. They wanted to destroy the "Shinobi world" the "world" that caused them both so much pain and anguish. When they say "destroy the world" they mean destroy it's structure and create a knew society or way of life. Kaguya is another one thats completely blown out of proportion. We see stars in Kaguya's dimension but nothing actually states that she made them. Team 7 didn't even beat her physically, they just sealed her with the Yin and Yang seals they got from the sage of six paths... you can't scale naruto to star level with that lol there is no tangible evidence 😂
Then you go on to say that the soul king is at least small star when he's reaponsible for multiple dimensions worth of souls that HE created... and without a soul king all of reality would cease to exist... where are you getting these scales from my guy? I sense some bias here 😂
Not to mention even the garganta which holds the 2 realms and countless infinite pocket dimensions were about to collapse because of soul king😂
i don't think he's bias tho, sure he's wrong and lowballed bleach a lot but he still admits that ichigo could slam naruto so he's not biased like death battle is, just incorectly scaling
Going off of Cero scaling, Ichigo's speed completely blows naruto out of the water. Ceros are stated in multiple databooks to be light, and thus lightspeed. In the very first arc, Ichigo deflected a Gillian's cero, which is a feat that can be anywhere between 10% lightspeed and 2x lightspeed, tho the most consistent calc is 30% light speed. In the soul society arc, a severely weakened Shuhei reacted to and dodged Nagacion while off guard. Now, all that has been confirmed is that Nagacion is faster than a Cero but we do not know how much. Also when a suppressed Shikai Ichigo first showed up at the sokyoku, he instantly blitzed 3 lieutenants. Now Isane and Omaeda are fodder, but Chojiro is a different story. As revealed in the TYBW an immature and unrefined Chojiro was strong enough to permanently scar Yamamoto. Also Urahara was able to casually react to Yammy's bala. Now even tho Yammy's cero is definitely faster than a gillian's due to spiritual pressure difference, I'm gonna keep the cero at lightspeed for consistency's sake. Balas are stated to be 20x faster than ceros, and Urahara was reacting to them in shikai. Now I won't spoil what Urahara's bankai does, but he does have one and Bankai is a x10 multiplier. There's also the feat of Shunsui dodging Cero Metralleta, but that feat has so many different calcs that conflict with each other, now this feat has been calced everywhere from 5x lightspeed to literally thousands of times lightspeed, tho it seems the most widely accepted calc puts it at around 200x light speed, and he also has a x10 bankai reiatsu amp and in bleach all your stats scale to your reiatsu. Now let's get spicy. The Ulquiorra cero scaling. Ulquiorra said that the Cero Oscura is "orders of magnitude superior to a normal cero". Now that can mean a lot of things as an order of magnitude is a multiple of 10, and he specifically says orders plural, so I'll use the lowest number possible at 30x normal cero. It has to be more than 20x as thats a bala's speed amp and
they are even not close of lightspeed... lol :S
Haku was stated to move at lightspeed so you can argue kid naruto had lightspeed reactions and go from there
Bro a bit to long
@@luminousxii The difference is, that statement is an outlier whereas lightspeed scaling bleach is A LOT more consistent. If Haku was actually lightspeed, then that would cause a lot of inconsistencies in later scaling. Also if Haku was lightspeed, he could have easily just moved Zabuza out of the way of Kakashi's lightning speed attack.
@@gipsymelody1268 I don't even know how ur fighting back
Have not watched the video, but I am going to comment. Nope, not close.
Ichigo overpowers and outspeeds Naruto massively. Ichigo has universal feats, Naruto has Planetary at his best. Light speed feats since the ending of the Soul society while Naruto got his at the end of shippuden
Reikage would only have that relative light speed from his cloak, not in base.
Edit-> About Kaguya reducing a planet to nothing, obviously that is using a giant truth seeking orb. So Hax, not power
Edit after watching the full video->
You really down played God of Bleach to be Star-Solar system level, that is some massive downplay.
Yuha also would not be stronger than his father without absorbing him.
I'm not even going to mention Gremmy's Galaxy room Kenpachi cut himself out off. It was a real Galaxy.
Gremmy actually created a Universe not just a Galaxy in the Japanese version of the manga there’s a Kanjin that mean Universe,
Scaling him to low Universal
Fax these guys dont know what there talking about lol
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@@Chillchildren999Nah, the kanji is 宇宙空間 "uchuu kuukan". It literally translates to "universe space". This is a word for "outer space". The kanji for "universe" is there, but the word itself is not "universe".
He does have a minimum of 3 galaxies + numerous stars in that outer space, though, and those are real. Multi-galactic feat.
See? Ichigo slams Naruto easily unlike the debatable Dio vs Alucard... You know, 3 million lives
Most common bleach character feat is shaking the entire Hueco Mundo by scratching their balls on a sunday afternoon after drinking a beer
Love the video but in the CFYOW light novels 'Tokinada' the villian of the story mentioned that "Yhwach" was going to affect the entire universe multiple times.
Both Verses Habe Uni Scaling He Just Low Balling.
@@christianphrenger7902 naruto does not have uni scalings. With shibai it’s galaxy at best. Naruto himself hasn’t gotten past solar system (highballed)
@@Stanzbey69 Okay So One Solar System Isn't Even A Highball As Kaguya Has Multi Solar Feats Alongside Base Momoshiki On Panel With Kaguya Creating Five At Minimal Solar System Sized Dimensions And Momoshiki Creating A Dimension With DOZENS Of Stars.
Two What From Shibais 4D Statements And Comfirmed Omnipotent Power Suggests Galaxy Or Multi Galaxy Level?
Three Naruto DOES Have Uni+ Scaling Kaguya Creates 5 Timespace/Hyperspaces Which Are 4D Continuums Which Makes Each A Uni+ Structure, Kaguya Can Take The Chakra Used To Create These Spaces And Just Add It To Ninjutsu Or Taijutsu.
Four Base Momoshiki Also Creates A Spacetime/Hyperspace, Hagaromo Is Stated to Have The Power To Create And Destroy All Things In Creation, Kinshiki Can Cut All Things In The Universe.
There Are So Many Uni+ Arguments For Naruto, I Just Named Four Off the Head.
@@christianphrenger7902 her feats are planetary where are you getting multisolar from 😂😂. Y’all naruto fans just making up feats
@@Stanzbey69 How Are They Planetary When There Are Literally Stars In ALL Her Dimensions? We See In The Anime & Momoshiki Novel Her Main Dimension Has A Star, The Desert Dimension Has A Star (Sasuke Literally Blocks His Face From It's Light In Manga & Anime.) This Is Just Consistent.... Also Again Kaguya = Base Momoshiki Who Also Created A Spacetime With Dozens Of Stars.
The Contents Of The Dimensions Matters Little When They Are Uni+ In Size In General.
in the cfyow novel ichigo is stated ti be 50000 faster than the speed of light whilst naruto is faster than light just by a smudge
Actually it is stated the universe would collapse if the soul balance was off, it was stated 5 times in early bleach when they speak about why they Quincy were killed. So yes, you can apply universal.
EDIT: it’s also stated in the novel that if ichigo didn’t defeat yhwach “the three worlds would turn back to a universe with no cycling of konpaku” you also forget by claiming strongest yhwach is max solar system then by your logic gremmy is stronger than yhwach since gremmy was stated in CFYOW “to instantly create outerspace in the soul society” and showed it in TYBW, where we can see thousands of stars inside and even a galaxy or large star cluster at an angle but mainly looks like a galaxy when compared to Hubble images of such. All schrift are portions of yhwachs soul made of reishi and reishi gives out spirit energy, which means they all scale to energy based hax, so yes gremmy had to energy to be large multi star level to low galaxy atleast. So yhwach can’t be below him due to obvious scaling reasons and gerard scaling to above shikai kenpachi who beat gremmy by gremmy not being able to withstand his spirit energy. And gerard is weaker than just post soul king and mimihagi absorbed yhwach as he was scared of his form and obviously scales below, this isn’t even with almighty activated which still gives an amp in energy and obviously major hax. So yhwach should be above all of them so solar system max makes no sense.
Yessss another fellow novel reader.
Yes gremmy indeed created outer space he even calls it galaxy room.
@@mufeezsyed2664 people want to hate on bleach so much they deny what’s directly shown and stated. Unreal
I really think the reason why people have a hard time comprehending another character being stronger than naruto or even naruto characters is because they haven’t watched the anime. Bleach hasn’t insane amounts of OP and had characters it’s crazy. I remember when I saw he could beat naruto years ago and my ppl looked at me like I was crazy. Happy that it’s getting the recognition it deserves. Well done guys.
Nobody is having a hard time cos naruto scale over bleach and it is not close, no amount of wanking will help you
Its confirmed the dimension are larger even in anime its backed up by Muken alone being infinite which people argued agaisnt do to mistranslation or possible not meaning that, and Peripice world is commonly agreed on being 4D
I have several questions...
Kenpachi destroyed a pocket dimension containing a mini galaxy which was created by gremmy in order to defeat him...(Only manga Kenpachi...not also SAFYW or CFYOW Kenpachi)
Ichigo scales way higher than kenpachi...
He has mftl++ to infinite speed...due to covering the distance to soul kings palace in 9 hrs 15 mins(check out the distance and then gauge his speed)
His durab is off the charts...ichigo trained in his bankai mode for 3 months straight in the dangai...
Him activating his bankai in his battle against ginjo destroyed a dimension...
He tanked a full incantation Hado 90: KuroHitsugi...which was stated to have enough gravity to warp time and space with ease by fully hollowfied aizen...who at that time said he transcended to the next dimensionality(so 4d) and still couldnt feel ichigo and said that he was in a higher plane than him(making him atleast 5d in mugetsu form)
His reatsu is so strong...he at a time was not allowed to enter the human world for some time as it would kill all human beings in the human world...
He has fate manipulation...resistence against kyouka suigetsu...
And his true bankai in horn of salvation form scared even Yhwach...so much that he had to use almighty to choose an alternate reality in which his sword was broken even before he attacked...and still ichigo managed to slice him with just his shikai...
(Forgot to add...he is a full on Soul King Candidate...a being that maintained the 3 dimensions stability...the human world hueco mundo and soul society...just by existing...even without his heart arms or legs)
So how does the fight goes 40-60 if they fought a 100 times?!
Isn't Ichigo overkill for naruto and his verse?!
Even conquestor and several other edittors also agree...
You kids really wank ichigo
Sasuke at no point during the summit was faster than the raikage lmao.....
yes he was
@@SnowyLL no he wasn't
@@SnowyLL considering he needed 9 tail mode to make the feats, i doubt just sage mode would do it.
Just wanted to say your take was pretty good and I agree that ichigo wins but I kinda wanna give my opinion out, I have Naruto’s Ap at Large Planatery-Star level and ichigo’s Solar system-Galaxy. Now for Naruto correct me if I’m wrong but most of the Kaguya dimension feats were a mistranslation and have been debunked by a lot of creators so I don’t really agree with solar system. I agree with the jubito part for planetary and how naruto should be much stronger now in adult form. Now I may be a little biased but here me out. I have ichigo winning Low/Mid diff. Weaker charcaters like Kenpachi are able to cut through Outer space that was materialized from gremmy, the panel had dozens of stars and one observable galaxy. He did this in base shikai aswell. Most people try to debunk this argument by saying this is more of a Galaxy hax feat then overall Ap since Reishi correlates to your moves and spiritual pressure for sternritters. But in one of the novels is says in bold text that this is real outer space and it was materialized from gremmy which is a galaxy creation feat and Kenpachi sliced through it like butter, while I agree uni is a highball for ichigo it’s still possible. The garganta which is a time space I’m pretty sure which hole all the realms are uni in size, yhwach was stated in multiple occasions to have the power to collapse it entirely, hos ichigo was relative to yhwach in strength meaning he scales to this, unfortunately this is a far stretched highball so I’m not against if you don’t agree with it, ichigo has better hax while naruto has more abilities. Overall this video was really good and I hope you reply
Kaguya dimensions weren’t mistranslated your talkin about Momoshiki dimension mistranslated to our knowledge (it’s an argument since the viz translation says Parallel world) which says it’s a parallel universe to the main one he created with his own chakra.
Weaker charcaters like Kenpachi are able to cut through Outer space that was materialized from gremmy, the panel had dozens of stars and one observable galaxy. He did this in base shikai aswell. Most people try to debunk this argument by saying this is more of a Galaxy hax feat then overall Ap since Reishi correlates to your moves and spiritual pressure for sternritters. But in one of the novels is says in bold text that this is real outer space and it was materialized from gremmy which is a galaxy creation feat and Kenpachi sliced through it like butter
Ah yes galaxy level shikai kenpachi( looks like it's time for me to shoot down clorax wank)
#1: Gremmy's galaxy room was stated by shunsui in CFYOW ( lN) to be a pocket dimension that gremmy materialized/ made almost instantaneously with the help of his clones. Although we saw multiple stars and an irregular galaxy within it we must also take into consideration that it expanded no bigger than a city block,( we literally saw clones of gremmy surrounding galaxy room which he then used to trap kenpachi in) in the area that both kenpachi and gremmy held their battle).
#2: Gremmy does in fact follow the same power system that is established in the series( bleach) .
(bleach.fandom.com/wiki/Reiryoku) SPIRITUAL PRESSURE
(bleach.fandom.com/wiki/Reishi) Reishi the power that all quincies use to use their powers.
Like all quincies gremmy uses/ manipulates reshi to perform all of his feats shown. His visionary uses reishi like all other quincy abilities ( you can't say it doesn't the series already establishes this). This would logically mean that everything that gremmy created using the visionary is made of reishi hence why the persons who were trying to debunk this were correct.
#3:It only stands to reason that you didn't read the manga or rather the specific chapter where kenpachi fought gremmy correctly. As we knew we saw gremmy materializing outer space in order to trap kenpachi with an attack he can't cut( ah gremmy you dumbass) in order to kill zaraki. We then saw kenpachi literally cut his way out of gremmy's galaxy room with nozarashi and was able cut an off guard gremmy in the process.
But...but you yourself said that he cut his way out of galaxy room, that would already prove that he was able to cut a galaxy in half?
And to that I'd say ( do you remember the part where we saw kenpachi eyes through that hole he slashed open in gremmy's galaxy room) nevermind I'll show you (www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fvsbattles.com%2Fthreads%2Fkenpachi-space-cutting-feat.35653%2F&psig=AOvVaw0vxitbmhsHHO5eYdtRKAyh&ust=1679954287371000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBAQjRxqFwoTCPik56e--v0CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ ). He did not destroy any galaxy lmfao all he did was cut space to escape gremmy's galaxy room, So yh no galaxy level kenpachi or gremmy who imagined himself stronger than kenpachi but then died.
@@candytime-_- Dude, have you every heard "The inside is larger than the outside"
So what if the clones surrounded the outside, the inside is more massive.
This is done multiple times in fiction.
@@khulmach9662 so did you not read my reply above on how both kenpachi and gremmy are nowhere near galaxy level in AP
Dude, have you every heard "The inside is larger than the outside"
the definition of a pocket dimension
Do you have any counter argument to my previous reply?
@@candytime-_- What proof do you have That Kenpachi cannot do it in Shikai?
Its like saying Z Goku was not Galaxy level at super Saiyan 3.
By the End of Bleach everything is turned up to 11.
I feel like what people also forget is the whole like, Shinigami can't be seen ordeal?
Like, you'd see the same situation with JJBA characters trying to fight Naruto as well.
Theres a lot of tropes of "unseen spirits" so, ideally here Naruto wouldn't see Ichigo in Shinigami form unless he (for some reason) has a high "spiritual" energy. And, tbh, even if he DID, it would be Ext Difficult
you lowballed the f*ck out of ichigo, there are many ways you can scale him to universal +
I mean he made this before cour 2 of tybw where we we got even more uni feats😂
High balled Naruto is Solar System Level, due to upscaling from people like Momoshiki.
Average Mid Balled Ichigo is around Universal, due to massively upscaling from Yamamoto, who could eventually destroy the entire Soul Society, which has a night sky, and is more than likely just a straight up separate universe.
High balled, Ichigo is anywhere from Multi-Universal+ to Low Multiversal, due to upscaling from Zero Squad, whos mere release of Bankai can shake all three realms, which are more than likely considered infinite, due to them all needing to contain every dead soul, and being stated to be the same size, and because they're all the same size, Hueco Mundo, Soul Society, and the Living World. As such, Ichigo being more powerful than Yhwach, in raw AP anyways, would put him at around Low Multiversal/Multi Universal+.
Anybody who's seen Bleach in it's entirety knows the power scaling in bleach is just way apart from the power scaling in Naruto since pretty early on in both series. After Ichigo goes Vasto Lorde the game changed completely, not to mention what might be the most op form in all of bleach of any of it's chracters, Mugetsu. That aside, you earned my like with the Goku comment at the end!
From visual standpoint yea, statement wise I’d say they can be wanked both way up there
Mugetsu isnt that op. Tybw ichigo is far stronger than mugetsu.
Winning a fight with a guy: Large Star lvl
Be able to colapse 3 universes: Star lvl
Ichigo’s Reiatsu was too potent for the World of the Living during TYBW. Narutoverse is getting sent back to the lobby
ichigo violates the verse
dude who made video did everything wrong. also otsuki god would destroy ichigo the otusuki god is galaxy level even further
@@SnowyLLproof please
@@bungerz Bleach novels stated soul king created soul society thy liveng on but he never created space soul society size = Earth.
dult Base Naruto Scales Above Base Momoshiki Who Can Pull Chakra From Outside His Time Space/Hyperspace Which Has Been Calced To Insane Levels Into MFTL+.... Base Adult Sasuke And Sakura Can React To Light Moving So Fast It Crosses 12 Constellations In Seconds... These Both Outshine Most If Not ALL Speed Feats In Bleach
@@SnowyLL alr thanks
@@bungerz theres loads of reason why naruto is stronger ppl only believe bleach is stronger because they think muken is infinite when its not. kubo literally telling you how to picture the realms. Garagnata is the outer space between realms while the realms themselves are just the planets within the space(garganta).Soul King pre-sealing was the closest thing to absolute omnipotence in the series. Yhwach couldn't even contain all of his power, shown by him describing it as an "excess of power" and what he couldn't absorb turning into thos eyeball creatures.The best feat explicitly shown is Kenpachi cutting a meteor the size of Texas.
this was also a portion of his power that wasnt suppressed because he was supposed to be a quincy and not soul reaper, but,became a hollow, soul reaper, and a quincy.
BRO LOWBALLING ICHIGO HARD AS FUCK A LOW BALL WOULD BE UNIVERSAL
lmao, why is this a debate, ichigo solos the whole verse.
Death battle was wrong aSf
All the dan boys of naruto,luffy, and Ichigo are getting me real tight
Ichigo's scaling has been different ever since Senjumaru shook 3 realms
That's not the only feat to why ichigo scales higher, ichigo withheld the weight of the cosmology (the wooden sword in irazusando) for his soul king candidacy ichigo already scales higher than senjumaru
Madara didn’t point the light fang directly at Naruto so Naruto only dodged madara swinging his neck
Thank you for this Video. I am a Big Fan of the big three espacially Naruto and finding a Video based on these facts was really good and understandable. I allready thought that ichigo wins but it is allways good to hear the facts. Thank you for the good video and i am looking forward to the next one.
PS: are you also comparing Anime with superheros? Or only Anime?
I plan on covering a lot of different fiction works aside from anime
You're more accurate than Tempest and he's biased. I appreciate your explanations better
I'm narutard myself. But I don't think Naruto is as strong as other narutards claimed him to be. Hes not faster than light whatsoever. At most he's only the speed of a bullet. And no he isn't planetary not solar system. He's only moon level. The ten tails is planetary though.
The thing is, what made yhwach scared of ichigo is his latent abilities, his max potential. Ichigo is the same race as soul king and soul king at his max was a different beast, even having a part of him made characters op asf, he literally nerfed himself. Even soul king absorbed yhwach wasn't as powerful as prime soul king. Ichigo at his max should be the same level
I mean minato literally summon a shinigami to seal nine tails , and ichigo is also a shinigami like i think one of the most powerful one , and you guys are still debating about naruto vs ichigo
we literally see orochimaru survive this exact same reaper death seal and u think ichigo is going to struggle against it?
Ichigo is not only the powerfull one but a literal passed candidate for next diety if anything happens to the current one. For naruto verse he'll be king of shinigami
@@w0ckyy893 i think you misunderstood me i meant that even 9 tails get owned by a normal shinigami and ichigo is one of the most strongest shinigami naruto would need to come close to death to even see him
Bro i hope you realise the soul king didn't intend to fight ywhach, yhwach is the soul kings son and the soul king wanted to be killed for that shinigami did to him
One thing to add is that Momoshiki is stronger than Kaguya but it don't matter because Ichigo still shits on Naruto
Ichigo slams lmao.
Shinra shits on goku lmao
@@JamalWilliams-j1l Wtf?
@@JamalWilliams-j1l No he doesn’t he doesn’t even beat Ichigo
Love naruto infinitely more as a series and character(still adore bleach) but come on….ichigo is on that dbz level of wtf power levels and hacks dude would wash my boy naruto 😭
Ichigo is not on no dbz level lol
I think goku is stronger than ichigo in base
@@JamalWilliams-j1l lmao Goku is super multi galactic level if not universal just in base. He’s millions of times stronger than Ichigo in just base.
@@spiritualkiller14 why are you saying this like I dont know.
@@JamalWilliams-j1l because you said “I think” ain’t no I think nigga, this is pure facts. More like “you know”😂
Do you know that ichigo can read attacks like a sharigan and luffy also was able to dodge light speed attacks so your point is
Naruto slams... into the pavement after Ichigo obliterates him
Excellent video. This is probably the most accurate analysis for this fight that I’ve seen.
Ichigo solos naruto he’s low multi wtf
chigo can solo the Naruto verse because he's faster and fought Yhwach and also destroyed hell.
Back then, I always imagined what would happen if Naruto had taken the time to train with his shadow clones so that he would be able to have his shadow clones all run around in Kurama mode, i.e. full Kurama mode. The idea of Naruto 1000 times in Kurama mode is very scary.🤣
Ichigo is universe level simply because the different worlds that they go to is not only a planet but a whole universe within itself. Ichigo killed a living god that threatened 3 universes. His power can be felt in other universes.
He also forgot to mention that ichigo and most of the characters in bleach are beyond light speed. We learn in season 2 that the basic flash step is light speed.
add the new added scenes from cour 2 ( senju casually shaking the cosmology by just releasing her bankai or ichigo literally tanked soul kings sp for his candidacy)
Also ichigo has Quincy blood 🩸 meaning he can have range and speed boost with more stamina than Naruto since Quincy use the riatsu in the air not their own
hallow too nd he got soul king powers
Lmao yhwach could merge the 3 realms into one infinite realm and those realms were all infinite not just as big as a galaxy and ichigo dealt a fatal blow to yhwach so ichigo matched yhwachs level when he was out of the almighty and ichigo even killed yhwach when he had the almighty making ichigo at the very least low universal
this is why i dont do universe fights cuz ichigo would solo most universes unless u give everyone the ability to see and comprehend is spiritual power also people like gojo just cant be touched by other universes so these battles are hard to do
I mean with Ichigo like you stated is easier to state he is solar system if not higher due to Bleach’s rule of reality
Ichigo to me is stronger not just cause of hax but because from what I know Naruto is not dealing with ichigos level on most fronts beyond fights
kagya.momoshiki? lol the dude who made video is dumb. ichigo dosnt even move speed of light naruto moves faster than speed of light
For the first time on UA-cam somebody actually got the right outcome 🙈 OMG
Most accurate scaling ever!!! You can use the novel statements to even highball bleach characters to galaxy-uni. But to scale them using manga scans and all that. I think this is pretty good..
Well right but souo king is the only uni in the verse and Ichigo yhwach aizen are galaxy and the rest are continent to planetery and solar system and Yama is only solar system
@@Nelson349soul king is low multi, Yhwach is universal+ ichigo and Aizen is multi-galaxy, but you can scale them universal. Idk why y’all lowballing Yhwach the 3 realms are universes not “worlds”
I fully agree with your opinion that if both characters went all out in their strongest transformations and abilities without holding back, Ichigo would come out on top against Naruto 9 out of 10 times, maybe even 9.5 out of 10. There are too many options available for Ichigo to choose from his arsenal and too many forms and power-ups to choose from. I don't mean to criticize Naruto, but let's be honest, he's incredibly overpowered. It's like comparing TN from Dragon Ball to Saitama from One Punch Man. Saitama would effortlessly defeat Tian every single time.😂
I find it fun to watch anime debates of characters I don’t even know
What 💀
Bleach novels stated soul king created soul society thy liveng on but he never created space soul society size = Earth then how soul king star leval???? Tell me
Soul Society is obviously Larger than Earth.
@@khulmach9662 no
@@khulmach9662 no
@@factsschool143 Soul king is Multiversal
@@khulmach9662 never been proven
Capping them both at solar is egregious because you don’t agree with the higher scaling even though you said yourself “I can 100% see how from a scaling stand point these characters can indeed be universal.”
Definitely needs a future video talking about the validity of uni and above scaling for both characters.
A huge part of scaling is being accurate to the story and the source material that’s why I don’t agree with Universal scaling
them being solar system level is wank let alone universal, Dodgy/ wonky scalings, ignoring inconsistences( replacing it with misinterpretation/ wank).
Short answer the universal scaling for both is not valid
@@ToasterXD jjk fans should learn that.
And do you mean being accurate to the story as in accurate to what has been shown?
@@jackaboynaylor9273 accurate to what’s been shown and said. In the canon novels, they blatently say that they can destroy solar systems and absorb the chakra from stars. That’s why I think Solar is consistent. I don’t think uni is consistent because I genuinely don’t think that the statements used to get him that high are meant to be taken at face value.
@@ToasterXD with that reasoning then it’s fine but not being accurate to what has been shown doesn’t necessarily mean a character can’t be a certain tier because all their other feats before whatever feat or statement are way below it.
That’s why I asked since a story doesn’t have to care about linear power scaling and can have characters with seemingly no reasoning suddenly be able to do crazy shit.
Though even with your reasoning it would be nice to see a vid on the validity of higher tiers within each verse and if you can actually scale the characters that high without it being stretched or flawed reasoning.
lowballed the shit outa ichigo but ichigo still solos the verse
goku still solos the bleach verse even lowballed like I dont get why niggas care that one writer made there charter stronger then the other. I understand debating and scalling but not when people care about the outcome.
@@JamalWilliams-j1l goku isnt touching ywhach
@@wusofomzora 😂😂 Goku exists beyond bleachverse so you're right. No need to touch, a mere shit stain would be enough to solo.
@@JamalWilliams-j1l lowball Goku doesn’t beat Yhwach let’s be honest
@Jamal Williams where'd u get goku from??😂
The difference between ichigo and naruto is like the difference between between Minato and the death reaper in the death repear jutsu.
5:20 Ywach wasn’t stronger than the Soul King. The situation would be like Super Buu absorbing Gohan.
0:42, Naruto should already be able to see Ichigo or at the very least sense Ichigo. Naruto characters can see the souls, I don’t see why Naruto can’t see Ichigo or any other soul reaper.
Edit: I still need to know Ichigo’s bankai ability.
The Bankai idea has been widely discussed, with most people agreeing that it shatters fate
@@KamiR24 should we think its fate manipulation? wish if we got a glimpse of it on anime
@@sajinao1221 considering both the implications from Yhwach himself, I would.
by chakra they already CAN! chakra is a mixture of physical and SPIRITUAL POWER!!!
@@gipsymelody1268yea become fodder lost soul😂
Even a kid can guess ichigo shits on Naruto Verse
Dude is built different
Even a kid could guess that shinra whilst lowballed with his eyes closed whilst taking a shit can beat the entire bleach verse. Why are you trying to rub something in this isnt your wrighting.
Spoiler alert ichigo is actually part otsutsuki and has thier abilities on top of his own therefore he claps 😂.
Waiting for Hell Arc to be released which ive heard will be even more broken than TYBW
I think it’s closer than ppl make it out to be but yea I also think ichigo wins cuz of his hax but yea nice vid
What are those hax
Universal naruto and bleach scaling is super edgy and inconsistent tbh. I can see it being more plausible for bleach but still the amount of mental gymnastics you have to go through to get the characters to that level is just mind bending.
Bleach is complex multiversal.
Low complex to be more specific.
how are naruto and ichigo anything above planet level( that's the real question)
I mean…Shibai Otsutsuki is at least 4D, potentially 5D. Even though Naruto will never reach that power level there are indeed characters who can be scaled to universal. It depends on how you interpret an Otsutsuki god leaving his body in human realm because they ascended to a higher dimension.
I don‘t know about Bleach, haven’t read it yet but I know Yhwach is kinda broken.
It’s funny because I have someone I know that thinks Naruto is Multiversal in AP. With no proof
You only really presented this matchup with the focus on stats, so I am curios if hax and abilites are changing the verdict in any way.
From what I read regarding this topic, the versatility on narutos end could be a problem for ichigo even if he has a advantage in raw stats.
Or is it already considered within the 40/60 rate of your verdict?
bruh ichigo is universal the 3 realms are basically 3 universes infact the high ball is multiversal not universal i oersonally think its universal to universal plus level
Death battle needs to fix this match up, and this isn't the only one they got wrong. (Im not talking about goku and superman btw, that fight wasn't fair at all)
bro lowballed ichigo and he still stomps
Funny how authors of mangas really don't understand how fast light is. You really can't trust those stupid statements about someone being faster than light.
I think ichigo deserves universal he literally was about to destroy hell in vasto lorde form which is his less than 50%
Movie not canon but vasto lorde sure is so does it's feat but you have better feat of ichigo for uni from cour 2 where he tanked soul kings sp for his candidacy) which means blud has enough sp to balance 3 relams
Idk how well this is taken in powerscaling but here goes
Unohana while in Muken stated it was infinitely large, and in turn means the soul society is also infinitely large, and hueco mundo is also stated to be endless, the soul king created hueco mundo and keeps the dimensions of bleach from collapsing.
Ichigo in a recent episode of tybw was able to withstand the soul kings spiritual pressure which means he’s at least somewhat near the level of the soul king and ichibei says ichigo could possibly replace the soul king as a linchpin meaning he would be able to hold at least 2 infinitely sized dimensions from collapsing
Dont forget base bankai heavily damaged sliced in half no horn of salvation no quincy powers or hollow powers ichigo one shotted yhwach
What do you think of Hapi 117 and ThunderGod's disagreements and debunk of scaling Kaguya to solar system tier?
3 worlds is not galaxy sized it’s universe sized😂 you need to do more research. Ichigo is multi-galaxy. Naruto is only planetary lvl
While I agree with the end result I’m not understanding how people are determining the crazy power levels for characters that if you’re going by feats alone are only capable of affecting their immediate surroundings like ichigo and naruto are both capable of blowing away a mountain range but ain’t no way in hell either one of them is strong enough to destroy a planet and I thought to be planetary or higher you had to be capable of destroying a planet if I’m wrong though someone please correct me cuz like I said I’m not understanding how 2 characters who wouldn’t have enough power to destroy a planet in either series are some how solar system level shit doesn’t make much sense
Well, Naruto managed to destroy moon in one big slash attack and Baryon mode booste his power like x100.
Soul society shikai Ichigo was able to to block and destroy the sokyoku
The sokyoku can destroy the soul society which is a 4-5d+ universe (ss also contains stars and galaxies)
(Also there is a difference between ap (attack potency) and dc (destructive capacity)
@@supermikealex9780didn’t watch Naruto or boruto but I watched the baryon mode clip ages ago and I think it said his attack speed and force was the same but he was loosing his life on each punch or smth idk
Naruto can’t even see ichigo…SHUT UP! Lmao funniest part of the video
Guys your going overkill Ichigo dropping HES sword is enough for the verse
Could you make a video about who’s defense better between Byakuya and Gaara?
The fact you have to equalize chakra and spiritual power says everything already. I am a huge fan of both series but I'm not afraid to admit when a series isn't as powerful as another. They're both broken in their own verses, let it stay at that.
He lowballed the fuck out of Ichigo and he still stomps naruto
Ima naruto fan but how would naruto reach universal and solar?
ichigo one taps 😭
5:15 bro prolly started a war
Amazing video as always Toaster
Yes ichigo does win easily defeating Aizen alone and being able to even scare Juha is up to city or even dimensional level also i would like to correct you with something Juha bach can swipe all power from the sternritter because he give them those powers simply if he didn't own them he wouldn't have them Juha with plot and ichigo slicing him with plot is just an insane solar or to universal level feat.
What is dimensional level💀
When the fuck did ichigo defeated aizen easily? Ichigo used mugetsu and still not dead goofy ahh
naruto as universal is absolute wank.
Natsu vs Ichigo has been a debate for a long while now
Please do a video on that
I think fairy tail had better ap and hax then bleach personally
@@oiii3096 I know I know 🤣
@@oiii3096 Natsu negs the bleach verse beyond the concept of difficulty
@@The-MinionNatsu gets obliterated by bleach god tiers bruh 😭
ok so why are the 3 realms underplayed to be galaxy sized, specifically the world of the living, which should obviously be universal
The end tho 😂😂😂😂
Ichigo literally stopped blackhole If im not mistaken he solos
no
kid do u have something wrong with u lol? take the L ichigo hasnt stopped a blackhole lmfao@jansentoreno6409
lol dude i already proved ya other fans wrong just go read pinned comment and the one with 60+ repllies@jansentoreno6409
you started off wrong the reason naruto can't see ichigo is because ichigo is a soul not a normal human first fact wrong
Why do I feel like he low called Ichigo.