@@GavinLon Mostly developing in Unity now and lowing not have to use pointers and crap, just focusing on solving problems. But it's good to know something about what's happening in the background with memory. I rarely use the profiler i always optimize when i can.
In my experience, the answer is simultaneously YES, NO, and 42. But I choose C over C++ any day of the week, except for Sundays which is dedicated to Objective-C.
C++ has its strengths and weaknesses. Reading complexity and memory crashes are often unless pointers and threads are not handled properly. As someone says that C# compiler itself is written in C++.
I can imagine. :) Its just such a complex language. In most jobs you'll be inheriting loads of legacy code to maintain - can be an absolute debugging nightmare.
I learned java and c and ended up as a network admin because I thought i disliked software development. Later i picked up python and loved it but there was no jobs at the time. All i would see c# and i got very discouraged as i liked python and had a bad experience with c before.. Thankfully i am now a c# developer after a company i was hired as an software admin gave me an opportunity. I love c# now.
NOTE: I love C#, but when you use it with unmanaged libraries (looking at you MS Office Interop {excel automation, etc...}) it becomes a freaking memory leaking nightmare! You solve the memory leak, tweak some unrelated code, and wham bam the leak is back with a vengeance!
I don't know why some say that C++ should not be your first language. I started out with C way back when AND wrote an OS in it and assembler back in 1980. I was 18 at the time and it was not all that hard to do. I've been doing C++ for years, and if you are competent, I don't see a reason why it can't be your first language. They also use to say that you should learn C before you learn C++. Circa 1990s. Again, why? Only because C++ was new back then, and many already experienced in C had to personally make that transition, and though -- wrongly -- that everyone else should have the same transition. C++ is indeed powerful and complex, but you do not have to learn it all before you can be productive.
Thank you for your comment and sharing your experience. I think C or C++ can certainly be your first language but in my opinion it is going to be far easier to get into programming learning a language like C# or Python. C# is similar to C++ but is going to be much easier to learn. Python is quite often chosen as a first language because of its simplicity. My first language was in fact C. Even though in this video I joked about C++ - of course it is a great language to learn and master. One aspect of the video is just to make those that are new to programming that C++ is one of the more difficult languages to learn - especially when compared to a language like C#.
Awesome video. I started out my first job out of college using C (not C++) on an HP-UX Unix machine. My next job I started using C# in 2005 as my main language... never looked back. But I've programmed in probably 50 different languages over my career but C# is my go to. Still use C/C++ at home for home automation, etc using Arduino's, ESP32's, etc. Fun hobby.
Wow - sounds like you've had a lot of experience with multiple programming languages! I definitely want to experiment more with home automation - as you say fun hobby :)
When I first tried C#, I thought, this is what programming is supposed to be like. Having tried others before and since, they all feel like they are all from the past, so I see no reason to update the opinion.
I think you make an important point. If you are skilled in a particular language or a team is mostly skilled in a particular language - it is far more cost effective to stay with that language. Unless of course you need to accomplish a particular goal, that can best be done using another language for e.g. (C++ can run efficiently on resource constrained devices). Its all about weighing the pros and cons - often a trade off is needed :)
I think that's a bit of a stretch. For his part, Hejlsberg said that C# is "not a Java clone" and is "much closer to C++" in its design - despite the obvious comparisons. Much of the core syntax and programming concepts of V1 were similar, because they are obvious to people like Hejlsberg and Gosling, but there were differences even in V1.0 - e.g. class inheritance was already different - and C# had gone its own way by the time v2.0 was released - nobody would claim that C# and Java Generics are the same - and C# has continued to follow its own path.
@isodoublet Okay so the const keyword of course exists in C# but in C++ it can be used in different contexts. C# is designed to be less complex than C++.
Hello, I absolutely love your videos-your channel is pure gold! Thank you so much for the valuable content you provide. I have a question: I'm currently in my 3rd year of college as a computer science student, and I'm aspiring to become a software engineer & game developer. I'd love your guidance on the best path to take, especially for creating apps and web apps. I've learned C#, done some game development, and completed the Microsoft certification you recommended. Could you offer some advice on what steps I should take next?
Hi! Sure, it sounds like you are on the right path to achieving your goal. I'm so glad that you have completed the Microsoft certification - that is a great place to start! I would recommend this certification (ua-cam.com/video/6GQAE7iLOhY/v-deo.html) to anyone that wants to learn C# as it provides an aspiring C# developer (including game developers) with a solid foundation. I think the Unity game engine or Godot are excellent game engines to learn, perhaps start with Unity. Start by building basic games and apps, and make your code publicly available on GitHub and make your games or apps publicly available - so that your apps can be used and your games can be played. Be open to feedback from the developer community at large :) Web development (perhaps using Blazor) is great because it is easy to deploy and make your apps available to the public. The biggest piece of advice I can give you is make sure you are enjoying what you are doing - and never get overwhelmed. Maintaining great mental health is extremely important. When you are ready, I would strongly recommend that you get a job in game development or application development - don't be too fussy at first about salary or your position in the company - it is important to get a few years experience and then you'll be in a stronger position to negotiate a better position and salary. I would also look into how you can use AI to increase your overall productivity. AI is going to be a part of our futures whether we like it or not. :)
Well I wouldn't code a device driver in C# and I wouldn't code a web application using C++ - but I would do the opposite of what I just stated. They both have their place - and C# was profoundly influenced by C++. :)
Went from C -> C++ -> C#, only using C# now, more interested in creating working apps then in being hard core.
I know exactly what you mean :) I'd rather build an awesome web application than an operating system lol
@@GavinLon Mostly developing in Unity now and lowing not have to use pointers and crap, just focusing on solving problems. But it's good to know something about what's happening in the background with memory. I rarely use the profiler i always optimize when i can.
In my experience, the answer is simultaneously YES, NO, and 42. But I choose C over C++ any day of the week, except for Sundays which is dedicated to Objective-C.
C++ has its strengths and weaknesses. Reading complexity and memory crashes are often unless pointers and threads are not handled properly. As someone says that C# compiler itself is written in C++.
Great! Thanks for your comment - automatic memory management and garbage collection is a great luxury that C# developers have. :)
As someone who's first job was writing in C++ for about 3 year, I feel that almost *any* language is better and C++
I can imagine. :) Its just such a complex language. In most jobs you'll be inheriting loads of legacy code to maintain - can be an absolute debugging nightmare.
Interesting review.
I learned java and c and ended up as a network admin because I thought i disliked software development.
Later i picked up python and loved it but there was no jobs at the time.
All i would see c# and i got very discouraged as i liked python and had a bad experience with c before..
Thankfully i am now a c# developer after a company i was hired as an software admin gave me an opportunity.
I love c# now.
That's awesome! Thank you for sharing your story :)
NOTE: I love C#, but when you use it with unmanaged libraries (looking at you MS Office Interop {excel automation, etc...}) it becomes a freaking memory leaking nightmare! You solve the memory leak, tweak some unrelated code, and wham bam the leak is back with a vengeance!
That's interesting I'll have to experiment with that a bit. Thanks so much for your comment :)
My mentor, I am happy to see you.
I'm happy to see you too :)
Very informative, subscribing now!!!!
Thank you! :)
Great sound effects!
Thank you! :)
I don't know why some say that C++ should not be your first language. I started out with C way back when AND wrote an OS in it and assembler back in 1980. I was 18 at the time and it was not all that hard to do. I've been doing C++ for years, and if you are competent, I don't see a reason why it can't be your first language.
They also use to say that you should learn C before you learn C++. Circa 1990s. Again, why? Only because C++ was new back then, and many already experienced in C had to personally make that transition, and though -- wrongly -- that everyone else should have the same transition.
C++ is indeed powerful and complex, but you do not have to learn it all before you can be productive.
Thank you for your comment and sharing your experience. I think C or C++ can certainly be your first language but in my opinion it is going to be far easier to get into programming learning a language like C# or Python. C# is similar to C++ but is going to be much easier to learn. Python is quite often chosen as a first language because of its simplicity. My first language was in fact C. Even though in this video I joked about C++ - of course it is a great language to learn and master. One aspect of the video is just to make those that are new to programming that C++ is one of the more difficult languages to learn - especially when compared to a language like C#.
Did anyone keep pressing 0 loads of times in a row like me?
Awesome video. I started out my first job out of college using C (not C++) on an HP-UX Unix machine. My next job I started using C# in 2005 as my main language... never looked back. But I've programmed in probably 50 different languages over my career but C# is my go to. Still use C/C++ at home for home automation, etc using Arduino's, ESP32's, etc. Fun hobby.
Wow - sounds like you've had a lot of experience with multiple programming languages! I definitely want to experiment more with home automation - as you say fun hobby :)
compare C# vs go
Great suggestion! This will happen :)
When I first tried C#, I thought, this is what programming is supposed to be like.
Having tried others before and since, they all feel like they are all from the past, so I see no reason to update the opinion.
I believe C# makes it easy to leverage powerful functionality in a simply and straight forward way, using well established programming paradigms :)
C# is like VISA for programming, it's everywhere you want to be.
Great analogy! :)
If you are good at c++ it is better and if you are good at c# it is better, the best language is always the one you know best
I think you make an important point. If you are skilled in a particular language or a team is mostly skilled in a particular language - it is far more cost effective to stay with that language. Unless of course you need to accomplish a particular goal, that can best be done using another language for e.g. (C++ can run efficiently on resource constrained devices). Its all about weighing the pros and cons - often a trade off is needed :)
The elephant in the room was left out, the one that c# is copied from.
I think that's a bit of a stretch. For his part, Hejlsberg said that C# is "not a Java clone" and is "much closer to C++" in its design - despite the obvious comparisons. Much of the core syntax and programming concepts of V1 were similar, because they are obvious to people like Hejlsberg and Gosling, but there were differences even in V1.0 - e.g. class inheritance was already different - and C# had gone its own way by the time v2.0 was released - nobody would claim that C# and Java Generics are the same - and C# has continued to follow its own path.
C++ .
Anything else is a skill issue
In many cases that skill issue may increase costs and prolong development time. :)
@@GavinLon C# doesn't even have const.
@@isodoublet Yes it does :)
@@GavinLon Very much doesn't.
@isodoublet Okay so the const keyword of course exists in C# but in C++ it can be used in different contexts. C# is designed to be less complex than C++.
Hello, I absolutely love your videos-your channel is pure gold! Thank you so much for the valuable content you provide. I have a question: I'm currently in my 3rd year of college as a computer science student, and I'm aspiring to become a software engineer & game developer. I'd love your guidance on the best path to take, especially for creating apps and web apps. I've learned C#, done some game development, and completed the Microsoft certification you recommended. Could you offer some advice on what steps I should take next?
Hi! Sure, it sounds like you are on the right path to achieving your goal. I'm so glad that you have completed the Microsoft certification - that is a great place to start! I would recommend this certification (ua-cam.com/video/6GQAE7iLOhY/v-deo.html) to anyone that wants to learn C# as it provides an aspiring C# developer (including game developers) with a solid foundation. I think the Unity game engine or Godot are excellent game engines to learn, perhaps start with Unity. Start by building basic games and apps, and make your code publicly available on GitHub and make your games or apps publicly available - so that your apps can be used and your games can be played. Be open to feedback from the developer community at large :) Web development (perhaps using Blazor) is great because it is easy to deploy and make your apps available to the public. The biggest piece of advice I can give you is make sure you are enjoying what you are doing - and never get overwhelmed. Maintaining great mental health is extremely important. When you are ready, I would strongly recommend that you get a job in game development or application development - don't be too fussy at first about salary or your position in the company - it is important to get a few years experience and then you'll be in a stronger position to negotiate a better position and salary. I would also look into how you can use AI to increase your overall productivity. AI is going to be a part of our futures whether we like it or not. :)
Good comparison.
Thank you! :)
might as well code in python
I definitely want to do more videos on Python on this channel :)
C# is nott even close to c++
Well I wouldn't code a device driver in C# and I wouldn't code a web application using C++ - but I would do the opposite of what I just stated. They both have their place - and C# was profoundly influenced by C++. :)
No, no. Rust 😁
A Rust video will have to happen I think :)
@@GavinLonit's a very different take on making a descendant to C++ for sure.