Jeremy,...I'm a dealership tech, listen to LHMex, I see this stuff daily. Step 1 you turn the key to ignition and you don't see the gear selector highlighting what gear it's on. That tells you pick is not communicating. Step 2 check 20 amp pcmB fuse. That fuse feeds the ecm,....and the fuel pump. Most likely cause, is a fuel pump, very rarely would it be the pc. My $$ is on a fuel pump.
Rusted Horsepower - good info! I’d better recheck that wiring diagram, because I hadn’t seen the fuel pump circuit when I looked at the diagram. I also only had some screenshots of it. I’ll try to dig up the whole thing!
@@WiringRescue GM is funny that way, if you look at power and ground schematics for the pcm. it shows 2 circuits from that fuse to pcm only., BUT if you look at "wiring systems" schematics it shows more detail, within the under hood fuseblock it feeds the "Load" side of the fuel pump relay. If you jumper your fuel pump relay, the same way you did your starter, it will run continuously, then pull pcmB fuse, and it will quit. This will prove the circuit/fuel pump is fed by pcmB.
Rusted Horsepower - great info! I’ll dig up that diagram today and take a look. It may be worth noting that I’ve replaced the fuel pump and sending unit about 3000 miles ago because the sending unit was rotted and leaking.
hope you can help me :) im having same problem. pcmb fuse is good. theres 2 wires that are supposed to be hot for ignition to work. one leg is dead makes truck start but doesnt need to be connected all the time same leg runs a/c blower motor installed new ignition switch same issue. all relays seem to work. when i jump the hots together it starts fine. transmission keeps losing 1 and 4 maybe another issue
@@WiringRescueany tips how to fix the crank fuse one? I’m getting no power whatsoever I even changed the fuse. That’s my issue with my 05 Silverado o believe
Good evening. I just wanted to say Thank you. My 03 Escalade was running and died in my driveway and wouldn't restart. With the help of your watching your video and changed my 20 amp Pcm fuse it fired up . Again Thank you .
I’m happy the video was able to help you out! Be sure to keep an eye on your fuel pump in the future, because it is often the cause of these burned fuses.
..thank you for your "try this, then that" style of troubleshooting. You did find your problem. This video will help many of us to be more comfortable with troubleshooting.
You’re the fn man my man! I had the exact same issue with a GMC Yukon 2004 and I knew it wasn’t the starter not the relay the problem, exactly what was wrong with my truck , same fuse , pcm B, thank you very much!
I’m happy that the video helped you out! Now you just have to figure out why that fuse blew! I’ve heard the fuel pump slowing dying is the most common reason. Good luck!
This is definitely the coolest thing that has happened to me this week. Thanks for commenting! I really am glad that the video was able to help you out. Also - See the other comments here about the fuel pump causing this issue. There is good info here from other people! Good luck with the truck!
After I changed my fuel pump I was having no start issues. Just tried to jump it and nothing. Watched this video dc went and changed my Ecm fuse in the same location and yayyy my truck starts again 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Great video. I’m having all the same issues. I never checked the PCM fuse and I guarantee that my problem. ODB reader wasn’t connecting either. Definitely going to check it when I get home. Again great video!
Well that's one thing I'll check I didn't use a volt meter to check them properly. So odd that fuse can cause that kind off issue but makes sense. My truck is mostly dead dash bearly turns on and dies I mostly eliminated everything but never checked that fuse.
If your original brake lines haven't rusted out yet and you get to where air is introduced into the ABS controller to make a brake line repair, you will need a tech 2 scanner to do the automated bleed operation on the ABS. I had a guy try it with a $10K Snap On scanner on my '02 Avalanche and it didn't work. So I got the tech 2 scanner. Also there are storage slots on the fuse panel to hold a few spare fuses if you wanna keep a few handy there.
I generally don't run oil pressure gauges in my cars because they only tell you bad news. Why the heck would I want bad news when I'm cruising in my car? In this case, I can't really avoid the gauge because the truck came with it, so I just assume the engine is fine.
Fuse to the pcm was out of place must have vibrated lose i oush it back in and heard the ignition ding went and turned the key and it fired right up, fuse was not blown it was just lose ,
There is such a thing that the fuse just fatigued. Yes, the first thing to check would have been hooking up the scan tool. Would have shortened the diagnosis a bit. But hey, that's how we all learn.
I have the exact same issue. Except PCM fuses are all good. All the fuses are good. Transmission just got rebuilt. Test drove it 8 miles then pulling back into shop "reduced engine power" popped up on dash then it shut off by itself. No idea what is going on man.
Here's a test to everyone's electrical knowledge. 2005 Tahoe. New battery. Starter is good. Turn the key and everything comes on, but the starter doesn't turn over. Try connecting a wire from the 87 pin on the relay to the positive on the battery with the key in the run position and nothing. Tried it for hours. Put the key in the on position and tried to straighten the wheel but it wouldn't turn, and I tried it one more time and it started right up. Parked it with a straight wheel, shut it off but it wouldn't turn over. Wiggled the wheel and it still wouldn't turn over. The ground at the back of the engine "Feels" tight but couldn't climb back there to check for sure. Anybody experience something like this?
@@WiringRescue hey, while got you on the line lol ... 06 escalade, no crank, I can jump starter relay 87 pin to positive side and it starts with key on. Fuses good. Relay clicking....where should I start to look next. I'm currently with vehicle at home. I even have a snap on Apollo d9 here with me and I'm about to clear the codes since I jumped it and i think it was in limp mode.
@@WiringRescue I have hella codes. P0740 tq converter clutch solenoid circuit. P2761 tcc PCS solenoid control circuit. ..Trac control , 3-2 shift... TCS delivered tq circuit fault....to name a few
@@8uckshot well your ecu works because that won’t stop your truck from starting. So rule that out. And your starter works when you jump the starter relay. So that’s cool too. Are you sure it’s the starter relay that is clicking when you try to start it? Try swapping relays around and see if anything changes. Maybe you have a bad relay? Make sure the grounds on your firewall are still good. They rot off. You can create some temporary grounds with jumper cables going from the body to the engine and the engine to the chassis. Make sure mice haven’t eaten the wires under your fuse/relay box. They love making nests in there. Also check your battery terminals to make sure there isn’t a loose connection or corrosion. Loose cables do all kinds of weird stuff. Good luck! I’m cheering for you!
Hello my friend I have a car like the one that you have and from the same model I have a problem with the backlight bulb does not work and when I checked all the things that can affect all in excellent condition but I doubt the piece but I do not know where it is and the electronic piece is responsible for if I put the stick of the transmission back to light up Backlight Can you help me, thanks
Do you honestly have 75-80 on your oil pressure? My 03 with 220 k only sits at 40 lbs all day, everyday as long as I can remember and I bought it new. Motor burns no oil and has equal compression. Any thoughts?
Assuming the gauge is right, yes. But this truck was fairly crappy, so it’s also possible it was just lying to us. I have always heard from old school hotrod guys that you need 5psi for every 1000 rpm. So at 40psi, I’d think your just fine. Also - I generally don’t put oil pressure gauges in my cars because they just give me something to worry about. I’d rather not know. Either way - good luck, and thanks for watching the video!
@@Messi_ronaldo207 yes. It turns out it was my starter going bad. To check it have one person turn the key while you hit the starter lightly with a hammer. If its the starter itll start right up
It should not actually matter, because the jumper wire is sending power directly to the starter from a power wire. Look on the bottom of the relay, there are numbers on it. You want to jump 30 to 87 to test the starter circuit.
@@WiringRescue Thanks, I appreciate the reply, new sub. Great video as well. Working on my '05 Chevy Silverado 1500 ext. cab long bed 5.3 vortec. I jumped the relay and don't remember what position I had the key in. I will revisit it. The starter didn't activate but it does still work when it wants to. Could be a loose ground maybe. The jumper (paper clip) got hot so I know it's getting power. I am having an intermittent no crank no start where the ignition just clicks and I have narrowed it down to maybe the gear stock being lose or something in the steering column being broken or worn out as if I hold the gear lever up it will crank now and then. Maybe something to do with the neutral safety switch. relays and fuses seem ok. Still working on the diag. No codes when I hook up the scan tool. One of life's mysteries..at the moment lol.
@@kaylamarie8309 - it sounds like you’re on the right track to diagnosing it. After this video, I also had a terminal rot off the starter which game me very similar symptoms as what you have. It may be worth shining a flashlight down there on the starter to see if your wires are loose, or if the starter terminal is actually rotting off like mine was! (I had to replace my starter) Good luck with the truck, I have no doubt you’ll sort it out!
@@WiringRescue Thanks for the vote of confidence lol. Yeah eventually I'll hopefully find the issue. It's not in the charging system for sure. I will check the things you suggest. I'm a contractor and I own the truck so I'm also the service department. She's got a lot of miles on her so it could be anything to include a starter failing or corrosion. Just have to do the wiggle jiggle test on wires and look for the obvious alongside using a multi meter and scan tool. Can be a head scratcher at times. Have an awesome day!🙂
@@kaylamarie8309 - haha! I totally understand! The good news is that Chevy trucks often all share the same problems, so your truck is probably nothing unique. I’d check: - starter wires & rusty starter related stuff - try a different key. - swap the starter relay with a different one and see if it makes any difference - look under the fuse box for a mouse nest. They LOVE Chevy truck fuse boxes. Good luck and I hope you have a wonderful day as well!
I think it is certain possible that this is your issue and you don’t have 3 bad pcms. The fuel pumps on these trucks cause all sorts of bizarre issues when they begin to die. I’d explore that path along with rotted ground straps, and see where it takes you.
If it doesn't spin and you hear the solenoid on the starter click, try to spin by hand with battery disconnected to see if engine is stuck or if starter is jammed on the flywheel. This might happen on engines with really high miles or running on low oil.
You just saved my life! I have spent 4 hours trying to figure out wtf is wrong and I watched this video and it was my PCM 1 fuse that was blown - thank you!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. my dads 2003 avalanche hasn’t been driven since november and sat in -40 celsius all winter!! if i replace the battery and nothing happens still, i know what to do next! thank you so much
Don’t be like me and try to fix $hit yourselves. I put in a new starter and battery. Nothing. Checked the fuses under the hood and there she was. Busted 40A ING fuse. $5 at AutoZone vs $75 for a starter and $160 for a battery. Oh well. At least I learned how to replace my starter. She’s 20yrs old (1999 step side z71). She was due for a spoiling.
I think all of us have jumped to conclusions before and gotten burned. It stinks when it costs you $160 though! At least your truck has a few new fresh parts! Thanks for watching the video!
I was trying various things from other videos and then I watched yours and followed along and I had the same problem blown PCM fuse. My fuse blew when I was cranking with a low battery. Thank you !
So I did an pcm swap and had to get a shop to extract a bolt from the plug on the pcm and he got it out and put it all back together and it wouldn't even turn over so I had to pull it home. I get it home try messing with it and still nothing.. I get on UA-cam and research and found this video so I went out there and looked at the pcm fuse and it was blown just like yours I put another fuse in and she cranked right up. Thanks for everybody on UA-cam, y'all are a big help. This video was so precise and it fixed my problem. Thank you and hope you receive as many miracles as you give.
I've been stranded for fkn HOURS!!! 😫 scan tool not reading! Tightened my starter wires even more! Tried to rig it up and glad I saw this video! My fuse was blown as well that exact fuse! That freakin 20A little B**CH! Stopped my WHOLE FREAKIN DAY!!
Thanks for this video. After 2mths fighting with this issue..the stupid ass fuse was the problem...I swapped out the starter, batteries, ignition switch and the main relay fuses..all for a 10cent fuse..
Interesting issue with the Fuse, have you had any more issues that are Related and or did the Computer take a dump? Getting ready to go see what my '03 Tahoe will do, one day it just didn't want to start, turn key it's dead, jumped started nothing happened so l bet it's the Relay. Why is that relay even there, we never used them in the past. Things were so simple and easy to work on in the past. Gonna sell my truck and get an old one, lol. Thx for sharing!!
Any update my Tahoe is doing exactly what yours was doing but the fuse wasn’t blown. Also it is intermittent. It also will lose power to trans putting it in limp mode where it stays in 3rd gear only and the abs light and other lights would come on randomly and then it will drive fine the next day. The ac wouldn’t blow cold once or twice during the issues but then would be fine the next day. I am wondering if you had anymore issues and if you ended up replacing pcm.
You helped me big time! I solved my no crank issue. I have a 2007 Chevy Express van with 4.8L engine. It exhibited exactly same symptom as you - NO crank, NO underscore selection light under PRND32. Everyone told me it was the battery, battery, battery, and may be a fuse, relay, neutral safety switch, solenoid, blahblah but I wasn't convinced. Because it was working fine week before. When I heard you mention OBD2 reader not communicating, I thought I'd try the same. BINGO. It wasn't communicating, just like in the video. It was the same PCM B Fuse (20A). Thank you. I would send you a keg of beer if you were near me.
😂 I would happily accept a keg of beer! Seriously though, I’m glad your issue was at least temporarily sorted out. Keep extra fuses in your truck and an eye on your fuel pump. From what I understand, the fuel pump is the most common reason for this fuse popping. Good luck - I’m cheering for you and your van!
Hey man thanks for the video I havent checked my pcm I blew a headgasket took apart the motor and put it back together the motors spinning i did the jump wire trick but not the jumper cable so ill try that next any other pointers you could give out thanks again for the awesome content
You just saved me from being stranded in the local ER's parking lot all day. Key on, jumped the starter relay, and she fired. Nfi what's wrong yet, just got home; but I know where to look now.
Heck yes! You’re a rock star! Also - sorry to hear you were at the ER. That is rarely a good thing. Hope all is better now, and good luck with the truck!
Thank you for this video I have a 2005 avalanche, same issue but it happen on a Sunday leaving Walmart and again on Wednesday morning leaving for work. I saw this video and literally took out my pcm relay and put it back in and FIxed!! Now I am going to purchase a new one but it did fix the problem for now. I even switched out my ignition switch and that didn’t work. One mechanic even mentioned it may be my anti theft . But once again YT saves my ass and money!
Nailed the problem with the battery bypass suggestion...once the truck was running I could access the computer codes and diagnose the Mass Airflow Sensor as the problem causing the rough running/stalling. Thanks!
Great video. When you could not read the obd port, I was thinking your cigarette lighter fuse was blown. Think from now on, if the car is 96 or newer, I am going to grab my scan tool first.
I would make sure that either 30 or 87 (likely 30) has power, and that when you try to start the truck pin 86 or 85 (likely 86) gets power. On my truck, I had the same exact problem and the ground strap had rotted off the starter. Replacing the starter was the fix. Good luck!
Dang it. I just had (have currently) the same problem, but all my fuses are good. I tried to jump the starter fuse holes, and it started and ran, then died. Then I tried again, and it sounded like it was dying, and then it wouldn't turn over the starter. Maybe it's my starter now, but I don't think that was it originally.
TODD J. L. ALLEN - It won’t start with that fuse being blown. Maybe it finally met its match and popped the fuse this time? It seems that dying fuel pumps are the most often reason for this fuse to blow. Keep an eye on your fuel pump, or if you know it has a ton of miles on it, you could throw a new one in there and hope for the best!
I have a 2006 Chevy Silverado , I had some running around to do , I got back home , I had forgot to grab something from the store and I went to start my truck and it wouldn’t start it just clicked the lights came on but it wouldn’t start or crank . The next day I came out to try to start it and it cranked but didn’t start . Can you please help !!
You need to find out what’s missing, fuel, spark, or compression. You’re unlikely to lose compression, so you are probably missing fuel or spark. You’ll need to diagnose from here though, checking for each.
So riddle me this. I have a 2003 Avalanche Z71, we had a big snow storm, I went out on Christmas morning and no crank? The truck ran the night before. I have had a problem in the summer for the last 2 years where if I used the AC or let it idle on real hot days I would get a no crank just like in the video. But if I opened the hood and let it cool 5 to 10 min it would turn over no problem. However, if I jumped the relay to start it the AC blew hot. Also, in the winter I had to let it warm up before I drove it or it would go to reduced engine speed and I would have to shut it off and restart it several times to make it run right. Now it turns on my scanner but it can't read the computer. No bad fuses and no idea where to go from here. Any help please.😢
In my experience, if there are issues connecting to the computer with a scanner, the computer is the problem. Car computers don’t need a whole lot connected to them for the scan tool to work and read engine data. You could always grab a reflashed pcm for a LS swap that deletes the VATS (vehicle anti-theft system) and plug in it to see how it performs. That would save you from spending a ton at a dealer - maybe only cost you about $125 ish? That being said - others here may have better methods of diagnosing your problem than I do!
Haven't finished watching this yet I'm like 4 mins in like yes someone with so far the exact issue I'm having. I knew this to be true when i didn't see your check engine light or hear your door chimes! I had seen two other videos one was an open circuit to the pcm and the other was oc from key to the fuse box. Chevy colorado 09. Lol ok now I'll finish.
Ahh the old open circuit in the fuse box trick! Door was closed and couldn't see the dash when it did start but I'm sure that's part of it.. great diagnostics either way.
Interesting. I wonder if they were trying to keep wire sizes small, so they separated power sources. Electrical engineering is weird. Thanks for watching the video!
Helpful video. Mine turned out to be the PCM 1 fuse, the 15 amp right above the 20. Come to find out, it's either the fuel pump or mass Air flow sensor causing it to short.. Both I just changed out prior to the fuse blowing. Go figure!!! I'm sending them both back. Good thing I cut through the floor, under the back driver side seat. I'm not dropping that tank. Not on a 2003 Tahoe Z71. Getting my fuel pump out will be a breeze to take out and send back. This video sure was helpful though. Thank You!!!
I need help.03 Silverado 5.3 cranks no start.fuel pressure 55. No spark injectors no pulsating.it has 12 vlts when key is on.ohms are 3 all of them.change cam an crank sensor..when I crank it it sounds good .don't know what else to check for
i wonder how many idiots will watch this video and try change there ECM out before they check there fuses. (the first thing you should always do). sending people down a rabbit hole one homeowner at a time.
Jeremy,...I'm a dealership tech, listen to LHMex, I see this stuff daily. Step 1 you turn the key to ignition and you don't see the gear selector highlighting what gear it's on. That tells you pick is not communicating. Step 2 check 20 amp pcmB fuse. That fuse feeds the ecm,....and the fuel pump. Most likely cause, is a fuel pump, very rarely would it be the pc. My $$ is on a fuel pump.
Rusted Horsepower - good info! I’d better recheck that wiring diagram, because I hadn’t seen the fuel pump circuit when I looked at the diagram. I also only had some screenshots of it. I’ll try to dig up the whole thing!
@@WiringRescue GM is funny that way, if you look at power and ground schematics for the pcm. it shows 2 circuits from that fuse to pcm only., BUT if you look at "wiring systems" schematics it shows more detail, within the under hood fuseblock it feeds the "Load" side of the fuel pump relay. If you jumper your fuel pump relay, the same way you did your starter, it will run continuously, then pull pcmB fuse, and it will quit. This will prove the circuit/fuel pump is fed by pcmB.
Rusted Horsepower - great info! I’ll dig up that diagram today and take a look. It may be worth noting that I’ve replaced the fuel pump and sending unit about 3000 miles ago because the sending unit was rotted and leaking.
hope you can help me :)
im having same problem. pcmb fuse is good.
theres 2 wires that are supposed to be hot for ignition to work. one leg is dead makes truck start but doesnt need to be connected all the time same leg runs a/c blower motor
installed new ignition switch same issue. all relays seem to work. when i jump the hots together it starts fine.
transmission keeps losing 1 and 4 maybe another issue
@@ronaldbottoms3272 LW?
im barley seeing this rn because my truck was doing this problem and man you saved me a lot of money your the man fr thank you🙏🏽🙏🏽
I’m happy to hear the video helped you out! Thanks for watching!
Man the wire jump saved me from being stuck.. appreciate it
Excellent! I’m glad the video was able to help you out!
@@WiringRescueany tips how to fix the crank fuse one? I’m getting no power whatsoever I even changed the fuse. That’s my issue with my 05 Silverado o believe
Good evening. I just wanted to say Thank you. My 03 Escalade was running and died in my driveway and wouldn't restart. With the help of your watching your video and changed my 20 amp Pcm fuse it fired up . Again Thank you .
I’m happy the video was able to help you out! Be sure to keep an eye on your fuel pump in the future, because it is often the cause of these burned fuses.
..thank you for your "try this, then that" style of troubleshooting. You did find your problem.
This video will help many of us to be more comfortable with troubleshooting.
You’re the fn man my man! I had the exact same issue with a GMC Yukon 2004 and I knew it wasn’t the starter not the relay the problem, exactly what was wrong with my truck , same fuse , pcm B, thank you very much!
I’m happy that the video helped you out! Now you just have to figure out why that fuse blew! I’ve heard the fuel pump slowing dying is the most common reason. Good luck!
Thanks for the video I was just stranded on the expressway and this just got me back on the road and headed home.
This is definitely the coolest thing that has happened to me this week. Thanks for commenting! I really am glad that the video was able to help you out. Also - See the other comments here about the fuel pump causing this issue. There is good info here from other people! Good luck with the truck!
This is what it’s all about nice job
After I changed my fuel pump I was having no start issues. Just tried to jump it and nothing. Watched this video dc went and changed my Ecm fuse in the same location and yayyy my truck starts again 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Heeeey! That’s absolutely fantastic! I’m glad your truck is back on the road again! Thanks for watching the video!
Thank you sir. Very informative for someone with minor knowledge of vehicle stuff
Thanks Rob! I appreciate it.
Yo dude no somethings that's all I'm saying my truck wasn't cranking watch my boy on UA-cam n Bam!! We have lift off 2 thumbs up bro
That’s awesome! I’m really glad I could help out!
Great video. I’m having all the same issues. I never checked the PCM fuse and I guarantee that my problem. ODB reader wasn’t connecting either. Definitely going to check it when I get home. Again great video!
Thank you so much for the tip I got my Denali 04 running again
That’s fantastic! I’m glad the video helped you out! Thanks for watching!
Thank you Soo much. Exact same thing happened and now I'm back in the road!
Your welcome! Keep an eye on your fuel pump! It may be on its way out!
Didn't know where to look, battery? starter? relay? This is a great vid. thanks...
Happy to help and good luck with your truck!
Dude u are a life saver ,thank you!
Well that's one thing I'll check I didn't use a volt meter to check them properly. So odd that fuse can cause that kind off issue but makes sense. My truck is mostly dead dash bearly turns on and dies I mostly eliminated everything but never checked that fuse.
Thank you for this.. now I'm going to try this.. my 2005 avalanche is doing the same thing. Hopefully it's just the fuse
You’re very welcome! Good luck!
If your original brake lines haven't rusted out yet and you get to where air is introduced into the ABS controller to make a brake line repair, you will need a tech 2 scanner to do the automated bleed operation on the ABS. I had a guy try it with a $10K Snap On scanner on my '02 Avalanche and it didn't work. So I got the tech 2 scanner. Also there are storage slots on the fuse panel to hold a few spare fuses if you wanna keep a few handy there.
Always check the simple things first.
Nice job! Hopefully the fuse doesn't blow again. Maybe some sneaky moisture in there? Your oil pressure is maxed out haha
I generally don't run oil pressure gauges in my cars because they only tell you bad news. Why the heck would I want bad news when I'm cruising in my car? In this case, I can't really avoid the gauge because the truck came with it, so I just assume the engine is fine.
I got the top post adapters and put a top post battery in my 03 Avalanche 2500. Also fuses do blow with age. I has a couple do that on my Escalade.
trafalga5136 - top post adapters are the best thing ever invented, or damn close to it! I wish sidepost batteries could be UN-invented.
I replaced my battery cable ends with REAL ones. I recommend everyone do the same.
This solved my problem. Thanks!
I’m thrilled that it helped you out! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for making this video very helpful
I’m glad it was able to help you out! Thank you for watching!
Great Video Extremely Helpful
I’m glad it helped you out!
as a line tech of 40 yrs, electrical 101 ALWAYS check puses first with ANY electrical problem.. Good video ,though
Fuse to the pcm was out of place must have vibrated lose i oush it back in and heard the ignition ding went and turned the key and it fired right up, fuse was not blown it was just lose ,
Heck yeah! Congrats on getting it working !
Good job
Thank you!
It's the fuel pump it's always The fuel pump except when it's fuel pump
b awesome - lol. This time, it wasn’t the fuel pump!
Lol
There is such a thing that the fuse just fatigued. Yes, the first thing to check would have been hooking up the scan tool. Would have shortened the diagnosis a bit. But hey, that's how we all learn.
I have the exact same issue. Except PCM fuses are all good. All the fuses are good. Transmission just got rebuilt. Test drove it 8 miles then pulling back into shop "reduced engine power" popped up on dash then it shut off by itself. No idea what is going on man.
Here's a test to everyone's electrical knowledge. 2005 Tahoe. New battery. Starter is good.
Turn the key and everything comes on, but the starter doesn't turn over.
Try connecting a wire from the 87 pin on the relay to the positive on the battery with the key in the run position and nothing. Tried it for hours.
Put the key in the on position and tried to straighten the wheel but it wouldn't turn, and I tried it one more time and it started right up.
Parked it with a straight wheel, shut it off but it wouldn't turn over. Wiggled the wheel and it still wouldn't turn over.
The ground at the back of the engine "Feels" tight but couldn't climb back there to check for sure.
Anybody experience something like this?
Thank you for your video
Thank you for watching the video! I appreciate it!
Appreciate your video! Helped me out
I'm really happy to hear that! Thank you for watching!
We’ll fuck me running , great video man
Thank you sir! Hope it helped you out! There is some good info in these comments too. Check em out.
Very helpful
Leo Steinman - thanks! I was hoping that it would be!!
I’m having the same problem checked every even changed the fuse was not it
4:35 "idk what I'm thinking." I am at this point myself...
Great video btw
Thank you! I appreciate it!
@@WiringRescue hey, while got you on the line lol ... 06 escalade, no crank, I can jump starter relay 87 pin to positive side and it starts with key on.
Fuses good. Relay clicking....where should I start to look next. I'm currently with vehicle at home. I even have a snap on Apollo d9 here with me and I'm about to clear the codes since I jumped it and i think it was in limp mode.
@@WiringRescue I have hella codes. P0740 tq converter clutch solenoid circuit. P2761 tcc PCS solenoid control circuit. ..Trac control , 3-2 shift... TCS delivered tq circuit fault....to name a few
@@8uckshot well your ecu works because that won’t stop your truck from starting. So rule that out. And your starter works when you jump the starter relay. So that’s cool too. Are you sure it’s the starter relay that is clicking when you try to start it? Try swapping relays around and see if anything changes. Maybe you have a bad relay?
Make sure the grounds on your firewall are still good. They rot off. You can create some temporary grounds with jumper cables going from the body to the engine and the engine to the chassis.
Make sure mice haven’t eaten the wires under your fuse/relay box. They love making nests in there.
Also check your battery terminals to make sure there isn’t a loose connection or corrosion. Loose cables do all kinds of weird stuff.
Good luck! I’m cheering for you!
I jumper the starter relay and now my cluster lights won't turn on or any lights inside .
Hello my friend I have a car like the one that you have and from the same model I have a problem with the backlight bulb does not work and when I checked all the things that can affect all in excellent condition but I doubt the piece but I do not know where it is and the electronic piece is responsible for if I put the stick of the transmission back to light up Backlight Can you help me, thanks
Crank position sensor
Did you watch the video?
Do you honestly have 75-80 on your oil pressure? My 03 with 220 k only sits at 40 lbs all day, everyday as long as I can remember and I bought it new. Motor burns no oil and has equal compression. Any thoughts?
Assuming the gauge is right, yes. But this truck was fairly crappy, so it’s also possible it was just lying to us. I have always heard from old school hotrod guys that you need 5psi for every 1000 rpm. So at 40psi, I’d think your just fine. Also - I generally don’t put oil pressure gauges in my cars because they just give me something to worry about. I’d rather not know. Either way - good luck, and thanks for watching the video!
Mine still won’t start, that fuse wasn’t blown on mine.😢
Check the power going to your starter. For some reason the wires rot off the starters on these trucks. It’s wild.
My 2003 silverado has the same issue but it only happens sometimes. Could this still be the fuse or do you think the ignition switch is going bad?
If it is intermittent, it is probably not the fuse. It could be the fuel pump though.
@@WiringRescue ok thanks. Ill check that next
Jeremy N what points you to the fuel pump? My 2005 does this same thing but it’s intermittent.
Justin Jensen did you find a solution?
@@Messi_ronaldo207 yes. It turns out it was my starter going bad. To check it have one person turn the key while you hit the starter lightly with a hammer. If its the starter itll start right up
when you removed the starter relay and jumped the starter with the wire what position did you have the ignition key in?
It should not actually matter, because the jumper wire is sending power directly to the starter from a power wire. Look on the bottom of the relay, there are numbers on it. You want to jump 30 to 87 to test the starter circuit.
@@WiringRescue Thanks, I appreciate the reply, new sub. Great video as well. Working on my '05 Chevy Silverado 1500 ext. cab long bed 5.3 vortec. I jumped the relay and don't remember what position I had the key in. I will revisit it. The starter didn't activate but it does still work when it wants to. Could be a loose ground maybe. The jumper (paper clip) got hot so I know it's getting power. I am having an intermittent no crank no start where the ignition just clicks and I have narrowed it down to maybe the gear stock being lose or something in the steering column being broken or worn out as if I hold the gear lever up it will crank now and then. Maybe something to do with the neutral safety switch. relays and fuses seem ok. Still working on the diag. No codes when I hook up the scan tool. One of life's mysteries..at the moment lol.
@@kaylamarie8309 - it sounds like you’re on the right track to diagnosing it. After this video, I also had a terminal rot off the starter which game me very similar symptoms as what you have. It may be worth shining a flashlight down there on the starter to see if your wires are loose, or if the starter terminal is actually rotting off like mine was! (I had to replace my starter) Good luck with the truck, I have no doubt you’ll sort it out!
@@WiringRescue Thanks for the vote of confidence lol. Yeah eventually I'll hopefully find the issue. It's not in the charging system for sure. I will check the things you suggest. I'm a contractor and I own the truck so I'm also the service department. She's got a lot of miles on her so it could be anything to include a starter failing or corrosion. Just have to do the wiggle jiggle test on wires and look for the obvious alongside using a multi meter and scan tool. Can be a head scratcher at times. Have an awesome day!🙂
@@kaylamarie8309 - haha! I totally understand! The good news is that Chevy trucks often all share the same problems, so your truck is probably nothing unique. I’d check:
- starter wires & rusty starter related stuff
- try a different key.
- swap the starter relay with a different one and see if it makes any difference
- look under the fuse box for a mouse nest. They LOVE Chevy truck fuse boxes.
Good luck and I hope you have a wonderful day as well!
I’ve got an 06 Silverado 1500. My truck randomly shut off on me and I had my pcm replaced 3 times within a month. Do you think is a similar issue?
I think it is certain possible that this is your issue and you don’t have 3 bad pcms. The fuel pumps on these trucks cause all sorts of bizarre issues when they begin to die. I’d explore that path along with rotted ground straps, and see where it takes you.
Is a pcm expensive?
Soooo what happens when that same fuse is blown and truck won’t start still???
Checked everything. 3 times. But after changing the fuse out I finally have power to everything but truck still won’t crank
BurningTurtle - does the engine turn over and just not start? Or does it not even try to spin?
If it doesn't spin and you hear the solenoid on the starter click, try to spin by hand with battery disconnected to see if engine is stuck or if starter is jammed on the flywheel. This might happen on engines with really high miles or running on low oil.
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This guy is a butcher
Thanks bud. Care to explain why? Or are you just needing to scream at your computer screen tonight?
Dude u are a life saver ,thank you!
Thanks! I’m glad you found the video helpful!
You just saved my life! I have spent 4 hours trying to figure out wtf is wrong and I watched this video and it was my PCM 1 fuse that was blown - thank you!
Hell yes! That’s fantastic! Keep some spare fuses on you for next time!
@@WiringRescue or use a circuit breaker until you find the issue which many times is the fuel pump drawing too many amps.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. my dads 2003 avalanche hasn’t been driven since november and sat in -40 celsius all winter!! if i replace the battery and nothing happens still, i know what to do next! thank you so much
Good luck! I’m cheering for you!
Don’t be like me and try to fix $hit yourselves. I put in a new starter and battery. Nothing. Checked the fuses under the hood and there she was. Busted 40A ING fuse. $5 at AutoZone vs $75 for a starter and $160 for a battery. Oh well. At least I learned how to replace my starter. She’s 20yrs old (1999 step side z71). She was due for a spoiling.
I think all of us have jumped to conclusions before and gotten burned. It stinks when it costs you $160 though! At least your truck has a few new fresh parts! Thanks for watching the video!
My 05 Tahoe did exactly that but my fuse isn't blown. Any suggestions
What caused the ING A 40 amp fuse to blow?
A better way to check those fuses is by using the Continuity setting. Not all fuses will have power, until you turn the key on.
Is it safe for your tester, to check continuity on a hot circuit?
I was trying various things from other videos and then I watched yours and followed along and I had the same problem blown PCM fuse. My fuse blew when I was cranking with a low battery. Thank you !
Excellent! Keep some spare fuses in the truck for when it happens again! Good luck and thanks for watching!
So I did an pcm swap and had to get a shop to extract a bolt from the plug on the pcm and he got it out and put it all back together and it wouldn't even turn over so I had to pull it home. I get it home try messing with it and still nothing.. I get on UA-cam and research and found this video so I went out there and looked at the pcm fuse and it was blown just like yours I put another fuse in and she cranked right up. Thanks for everybody on UA-cam, y'all are a big help. This video was so precise and it fixed my problem. Thank you and hope you receive as many miracles as you give.
That’s fantastic! I’m glad you were able to get your truck running again! Thank you for watching, and for all the kind words!
I've been stranded for fkn HOURS!!! 😫 scan tool not reading! Tightened my starter wires even more! Tried to rig it up and glad I saw this video! My fuse was blown as well that exact fuse! That freakin 20A little B**CH! Stopped my WHOLE FREAKIN DAY!!
That’s exactly why I made the video! Glad to hear it helped you out!!
@@WiringRescue I’m having problems with the fuse PCM 1? Any tips my truck won’t start at all.
Thank You, my fuel line's 20A fuse was blown, prolly saved me 1000s lol =D
Thanks for this video. After 2mths fighting with this issue..the stupid ass fuse was the problem...I swapped out the starter, batteries, ignition switch and the main relay fuses..all for a 10cent fuse..
At least you didn’t give up, and you figured it out! That’s awesome! Congrats!
Interesting issue with the Fuse, have you had any more issues that are Related and or did the Computer take a dump? Getting ready to go see what my '03 Tahoe will do, one day it just didn't want to start, turn key it's dead, jumped started nothing happened so l bet it's the Relay. Why is that relay even there, we never used them in the past. Things were so simple and easy to work on in the past. Gonna sell my truck and get an old one, lol. Thx for sharing!!
Any update my Tahoe is doing exactly what yours was doing but the fuse wasn’t blown. Also it is intermittent. It also will lose power to trans putting it in limp mode where it stays in 3rd gear only and the abs light and other lights would come on randomly and then it will drive fine the next day. The ac wouldn’t blow cold once or twice during the issues but then would be fine the next day. I am wondering if you had anymore issues and if you ended up replacing pcm.
I sold the truck a while ago, and during the time I owned it, the ECU was never replaced. The owner after me did replace the fuel pump though.
You helped me big time! I solved my no crank issue.
I have a 2007 Chevy Express van with 4.8L engine. It exhibited exactly same symptom as you - NO crank, NO underscore selection light under PRND32.
Everyone told me it was the battery, battery, battery, and may be a fuse, relay, neutral safety switch, solenoid, blahblah but I wasn't convinced. Because it was working fine week before. When I heard you mention OBD2 reader not communicating, I thought I'd try the same. BINGO. It wasn't communicating, just like in the video.
It was the same PCM B Fuse (20A).
Thank you. I would send you a keg of beer if you were near me.
😂 I would happily accept a keg of beer! Seriously though, I’m glad your issue was at least temporarily sorted out. Keep extra fuses in your truck and an eye on your fuel pump. From what I understand, the fuel pump is the most common reason for this fuse popping. Good luck - I’m cheering for you and your van!
Thanks !!!! I finally figured out that's why my blazer won't start, it was this fuse
Is the cable from the battery to the little red box a fusible link?
I’m showing 12 volts at the battery, but only 4 at the red box.
Cool cat conveys clues! I will watch this again. Oh, and subscribe. Thnx
You rock! Thank you!
This was the best tip ever and just helped me immensely!
I’m glad I could help you out! Feel free to share the video! I’d love more subscribers. :)
This video got my truck running again thank you man you are a great trouble shooter
Heck yes! Keep some extra fuses handy and an eye on the fuel pump! Thanks for watching!
Hey man thanks for the video I havent checked my pcm I blew a headgasket took apart the motor and put it back together the motors spinning i did the jump wire trick but not the jumper cable so ill try that next any other pointers you could give out thanks again for the awesome content
That box of fuses cost way more than 10 bucks. So stop lying. Now what I do is everytime I go to the junkyard I get a pocket full of fuses for FREE
I’m not lying, here is a box of 120 fuses for $7.99 (as of 4/27/24). a.co/d/4g44yze
Also - I wouldn’t brag about stealing.
@@WiringRescue yeah dam right I’m taking em. A box of 6 in Florida cost way more than 10 bucks. I’m sure you never took nothing. You and Jesus.
You just saved me from being stranded in the local ER's parking lot all day. Key on, jumped the starter relay, and she fired. Nfi what's wrong yet, just got home; but I know where to look now.
Heck yes! You’re a rock star! Also - sorry to hear you were at the ER. That is rarely a good thing. Hope all is better now, and good luck with the truck!
Thank you for this video I have a 2005 avalanche, same issue but it happen on a Sunday leaving Walmart and again on Wednesday morning leaving for work. I saw this video and literally took out my pcm relay and put it back in and FIxed!!
Now I am going to purchase a new one but it did fix the problem for now. I even switched out my ignition switch and that didn’t work. One mechanic even mentioned it may be my anti theft . But once again YT saves my ass and money!
Thanks for watching the video! I’m so happy to hear that you were able to get your truck working again.
Nailed the problem with the battery bypass suggestion...once the truck was running I could access the computer codes and diagnose the Mass Airflow Sensor as the problem causing the rough running/stalling. Thanks!
Excellent! I’m thrilled that the video is helping people out! Thanks for watching!
Thx bro you saved me
That’s awesome! Glad I was able to help you out!
hot dogs 280k miles!
Yeah that truck was sold and then restored by the next owner giving it a whole new life at 300k! It’s still out there somewhere!
Great video. When you could not read the obd port, I was thinking your cigarette lighter fuse was blown. Think from now on, if the car is 96 or newer, I am going to grab my scan tool first.
Yea! Diagnosing a car can be sneaky sometimes! I wish I checked fuses first! Ah well, next time!
What would be your next step if the engine didn't turn over when you jumped the starter relay fuse 87-30?
I would make sure that either 30 or 87 (likely 30) has power, and that when you try to start the truck pin 86 or 85 (likely 86) gets power. On my truck, I had the same exact problem and the ground strap had rotted off the starter. Replacing the starter was the fix. Good luck!
Lmao now Iam thinking. I don’t know what im thinking! That’s where we all get to when shit ain’t working
Lol. It has pretty much become a way of life at this point. Thanks for watching and sharing in my automotive mysteries!
Dang it. I just had (have currently) the same problem, but all my fuses are good. I tried to jump the starter fuse holes, and it started and ran, then died. Then I tried again, and it sounded like it was dying, and then it wouldn't turn over the starter.
Maybe it's my starter now, but I don't think that was it originally.
Hey how can I change all four air chock struts?
I think 1A Auto has great auto repair video app for jobs like that. Download the 1A Auto app and have a look. Good luck!
This video saved me so much money time and so much more thank you
Thank you for watching! Glad it helped!
Thanks so much for your bomb ass video,it saved me!!
I’m thrilled that it helped you out!
My 20A pcm fuse was blown when I checked it like the video shows!!! This saved me a lot of cash!!! Thank you very much!!!
It had an intermittent no crank no start. I don’t know how it ever started with a blown fuse......isn’t that impossible. Tell me......
TODD J. L. ALLEN - It won’t start with that fuse being blown. Maybe it finally met its match and popped the fuse this time? It seems that dying fuel pumps are the most often reason for this fuse to blow. Keep an eye on your fuel pump, or if you know it has a ton of miles on it, you could throw a new one in there and hope for the best!
wow...huge respect....280K Miles!.........American vehicles do last longer.........unlike popular belief!
General Motors V8's are quite good! Plus they are cheap to replace when you run out of oil pressure and send the connecting rod through the block.
Igne 10a red little fuse keeps blowing when starting and driving , how do I fix
just watched this changed pcm starter key and tumbler still does it said screw it and put in a puch button start
I have a 2006 Chevy Silverado , I had some running around to do , I got back home , I had forgot to grab something from the store and I went to start my truck and it wouldn’t start it just clicked the lights came on but it wouldn’t start or crank . The next day I came out to try to start it and it cranked but didn’t start . Can you please help !!
You need to find out what’s missing, fuel, spark, or compression. You’re unlikely to lose compression, so you are probably missing fuel or spark. You’ll need to diagnose from here though, checking for each.
I just picked up a silverado that had this problem your video save me $$$$ and for that I much appreciate it
The fuse blew for a reason though.
So riddle me this. I have a 2003 Avalanche Z71, we had a big snow storm, I went out on Christmas morning and no crank? The truck ran the night before. I have had a problem in the summer for the last 2 years where if I used the AC or let it idle on real hot days I would get a no crank just like in the video. But if I opened the hood and let it cool 5 to 10 min it would turn over no problem. However, if I jumped the relay to start it the AC blew hot. Also, in the winter I had to let it warm up before I drove it or it would go to reduced engine speed and I would have to shut it off and restart it several times to make it run right. Now it turns on my scanner but it can't read the computer. No bad fuses and no idea where to go from here. Any help please.😢
In my experience, if there are issues connecting to the computer with a scanner, the computer is the problem. Car computers don’t need a whole lot connected to them for the scan tool to work and read engine data. You could always grab a reflashed pcm for a LS swap that deletes the VATS (vehicle anti-theft system) and plug in it to see how it performs. That would save you from spending a ton at a dealer - maybe only cost you about $125 ish? That being said - others here may have better methods of diagnosing your problem than I do!
What will make your truck power down to you have no throttle just a high idol
Haven't finished watching this yet I'm like 4 mins in like yes someone with so far the exact issue I'm having. I knew this to be true when i didn't see your check engine light or hear your door chimes! I had seen two other videos one was an open circuit to the pcm and the other was oc from key to the fuse box. Chevy colorado 09. Lol ok now I'll finish.
Ahh the old open circuit in the fuse box trick! Door was closed and couldn't see the dash when it did start but I'm sure that's part of it.. great diagnostics either way.
Awesome video thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
What fuse was it?
Fuel pump has a short
same problem for me on my 2008 sierra 1500 it was my PCM fuse but for some reason it was run off two 10A fuses and one of them blew
Interesting. I wonder if they were trying to keep wire sizes small, so they separated power sources. Electrical engineering is weird. Thanks for watching the video!
@@WiringRescue thank you foe making this video i never would of expected the PCM fuses and probably would have taken it to a mechanic
Glad it worked out! Keep an eye on your fuel pump though. I hear that is often the cause of these blown fuses.
Dude u can't put it battery on concrete
This extra battery of mine has lived for many years on a concrete floor. What should I expect to happen?
Helpful video. Mine turned out to be the PCM 1 fuse, the 15 amp right above the 20. Come to find out, it's either the fuel pump or mass Air flow sensor causing it to short.. Both I just changed out prior to the fuse blowing. Go figure!!! I'm sending them both back. Good thing I cut through the floor, under the back driver side seat. I'm not dropping that tank. Not on a 2003 Tahoe Z71. Getting my fuel pump out will be a breeze to take out and send back. This video sure was helpful though. Thank You!!!
Great video. Thank you. 👍
Im glad you liked the video! Thanks!
I need help.03 Silverado 5.3 cranks no start.fuel pressure 55. No spark injectors no pulsating.it has 12 vlts when key is on.ohms are 3 all of them.change cam an crank sensor..when I crank it it sounds good .don't know what else to check for
i wonder how many idiots will watch this video and try change there ECM out before they check there fuses. (the first thing you should always do). sending people down a rabbit hole one homeowner at a time.