@@paulsell2438 20 years of WALKING w/whitetail, in " their" area they know what's "out of place" in their "office".. I've learned a myriad of things, but the DEER are always right, we play second place in a photo finish @ best..but the MORE WE UNDSRSTAND...🤔🤯😃👍 I LOVE that I'm always learning & growing w/my wild deer! Love vids when they look directly @ person in tree stand, after I've seen them reacting nonchalantly to noise from it, laughing, "FINALLY, EYE CONTACT!" having "SEEN" what they were monitoring the whole time! One more reason I love my deer friends & family, but the "tourists" sure taste good!
Hey I LOVE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING! This has been the best video I have ever seen to ever highlight some of what I've seen & learned in 20 years of walking w/whitetails!. Great job!personal experience while sitting with bedded deer backs this up. Being present with my deer in their suburban bedding area as a known fenced dog threat was expressing, a secondary "distractive" threat would cause retreat 200' away..IF A PERSON WHISTLED OR CALLED THE DOG, IT WAS STRAIGHT TO COVER & DEPART! *Seeing the limited movement & consumption without interruption(finish the last bite)after the clear flinch of the big doe brought a HUGE smile to my face.. the sequence of "completion of priorities as processing threat & keeping low profile" similar to others continuing eating as "sentry" locks onto threat(all others at get as much eaten before they bolt) *We need to remember deer "hold their cards close" & have @ least 5 levels of reaction priority..of which herd hierarchy, situational confidence, and experiential knowledge all affect. Seeing deer react while in traveling stack, point deer alarm, bolt, return from new vantage (as stack stopped..based on confidence of being unseen/ no contact where as the point deer "works" the threat & they observe..low profile ..) we had a relaxed but increasing awareness gradient from the back to the front of the stack.. it's amazing to be part of! Why I love my deer, , am devising a way to document as I can! KNOWING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING is key..if YOU or any RESULT of you affects the environment in a way deer don't find routine, or find doesn't make sense, they'll spook. The power of being still is many times stronger than that to run, and "Decoy-return to investigate" compulsion, exercising stealth to satisfy curiosity/knowledge mandate, is beautiful to watch, but keeps them from consumption-rumination-rest cycle. EXCELLENT WORK! This helps folks get into the minds of deer..gives a much better perspective!
Deer on my farm are use to me and my farmer routine. I can walk within 20-30’ of them and they’ll just watch me. I talk to them as I walk around the farm doing things to let them know I’m around. If I become silent, sneak up on them or do something that isn’t a usual farming routine, they’ll spook. But I get the message in this video. That’s why I prefer to hunt, fish, and photograph wildlife alone. You see way more wildlife when you’re alone mainly because two or more people are more likely to talk.
I would like to see this study duplicated in highly-human-trafficked areas like farm grounds where the deer should become accustomed to human sights, smells, and sounds.
Interesting findings. I would have imagined that the dogs and humans would have been the top since in the south some folks use packs of dogs to hunt. I imagine that proximity to the sounds plays a role in their reactions.
😁👍🦌 You guys do great work! I wish there was an easier way to capture all the moments of their daily lives through the seasons..there is so much to them..it's hard for us to "get into their perspective" I've walked with local deer matriarchy for over 20 years, I've seen so much, but we haven't yet found a good way to capture in the neccessary totality their interaction with the world.. Their differentiation of voices and scents, threat level processing of the factors in the environment are amazing.. the least thing that doesn't belong brings the alarm.. deer can't "see" with acuity of detail, but see rather "qualities" of movement and spatially "see location" overlayed over their vision.. combined with amazing scent sensitivity, it's absolutely amazing how aware they are of the world around them..they just VACCUUM UP all that is going on around them, & carry on meanwhile as neccessary.. I love when folks get to the point where they "see" and start "synchronizing" with deer & their environment. Thank you for all your work speaking for these majestic animals' ways👍
I sure agree, especially as fall comes and human activity in the woods increases. My experience of 60 years in the WV woods of what scares deer the most is, most frightening to least: humans or ATVs>coywolves>coyotes or dogs>bears. We've discovered over the years that the less human intrusion, the better. Timbering activities however, do not seem to bother deer and in fact, draw them due to newly felled trees or mast knocked to the ground.
Maybe. But two things we know: Hunting over bait is prohibited on the Jones Center (study site) even though it is legal in the state of Georgia, so these deer are not being hunted around corn piles. Also, the study was done in spring/summer, long after hunting season had closed.
I drive my utv through the woods regularly and walk around and it hasn't affected hunting at all. There's been times ill have deer stare at me as i drive by 30 yds from me
Maybe what they're reacting to is an unfamiliar sound and not necessarily the call of a predator, human or otherwise. That's probably why some deer weren't spooked by the coyote call. That's a familiar sound to them.
That's why the sounds of non-threatening bird species were included, as a "control." As expected, deer reacted far less often to bird sounds than to any of the predators. This suggests there's a connection between the threat level associated with each species and the deer's reaction.
There wasn't a whole lot to say about them other than showing the results in the graph: dogs were right between wolves and coyotes in the "fright" factor. Thanks for watching!
It's a percentage probability. So, for example, you can say that deer fled from the sound of a human 60% of the time (0.6 in the chart). And about 20% of the time for coyotes. So on.
good video.i hunt and live in north central wv and i can tell you our herds of deer are on edge year round no thanks to the coyote packs,spotlighters,and bobcats getting really thick.ive found full size deer sletons every year killed by coyotes and our herds suffer.they stay young never get size to them because their patterns including does are never in a straight line.they are all loopers .most travel half a mile overnight to keep moving to avoid predators.
In WV bears could be contributing to the deer being on edge. I hunt in S GA and in the Smokies. Deer in the Smokies are the flightiest deer I’ve ever hunted. I attribute a lot of their behavior to bear.
yes bears are starting to get repopulated around here and they dont help matters either.but they usually hibernate december til april.coyotes run constantly around here predating on deer
I'm not surprised, I've played different animal sounds around my cats just to see the reaction. Coyotes put them on alert and they were definitely nervous but play the sound of wolves and they lose their minds. They obviously have no idea what a wolf is. Other predators like cougar and bears get little to no reaction. This makes me wonder if it's a built in fear of wolves on a genetic level or if there is something else about the howl itself that creates this reaction. In other words is it the howl or perhaps a specific individual sound in the howl? It would be fascinating to break down a wolf howl into it's individual notes and see if the reaction is the same playing them.
Obviously not deer from our residential neighborhood. They are not the least bit concerned by humans, and you can walk up to within 10 feet of them. I actually want to be able to scare them off, because they eat all our landscaping. Maybe I'll try wolf calls...
Cool experiment, Thanks for info..deer are way smarter than most people think. Their life depends on it. Would they be afraid of carrots and baby potatoes, onions.
They can overcome that fear pretty quick. I've had deer that wait for me to talk to them. Still feel kinda guilty about the first buck I killed with a bow. Use to be a guy from my home town that could pet a full herd. Even put big ribbons on them during hunting season. Heard story of dudes killing his deer with ribbons. Yes they were wild deer.
I could see the wolf sound as a foreign sound that would scare deer. What if you used black bear sounds. ? I believe any foreign sound would be red flag to deer.
I have my own personal rifle range. I have deer come within 25 yards while Im shooting. The only time they get excited is when I take off with my four wheeler to check targets. And " IF " I make them the target !!!!!!!!! Ive had neighbors report me for shooting deer........because.......they go by and see the deer standing close by. Question is........when does it become illegal........when your shooting........or when your shooting and " just happen " to hit a deer ????
Deer are hardwired reflexively for threat awareness and processing, this carries over to social/hierarchical interactions..subtle eyes/posture nonverbal communications are HEAVILY intent biased in perception..in other words, they pay attention to effect of actions and note any predatory fixation which could lead to a threat. They key on being focused upon.. They will keep doing their "job" collecting food right under CONSTRUCTION or tree felling so long as not seen or focused upon. Noise keeps predators away, & deer will exploit. I watched my wild deer as they closely (100' away) watched the Bar& Grill constructed on edge of one of their bedding areas..they disregarded the business, all the traffic..not ignored, but prioritized as they respected potential threat..they just didn't pre-react. Deer manage their security by intense knowledge of routines & events of their environment, their curiosity is a strong instinct to support this end. They KNOW you even if you didn't see them..they know within reason what to expect of you if they allow you to see them..😉👍
I work on the farm I hunt. I'm always everywhere on the 230 acres. I can walk right by the does walking to my watch. No closer than about 100 yards though. They barely lift their heads when a tractor goes by about the same distance. The bucks don't summer here, makes them a little tricky, but the girls help with that 😉
Where I hunt, if they wind you they won't come to the feeder.Where I live the neighborhood does tolerate me walking by with my dog and seldom move unless I stop and stare at them.They use a year round spring for drinking water and they show up to it every single day, but not usually the same time.
@@FarmallFanatic I know they have been around long enough to figure out our vegetable gardens are like PRODUCE SECTIONS.. our suburban LANDSCAPING the same.. keep out predators, offer cover & barricades, fences that offer security like a big playpen.. & even better, we point out the best with deterrents.. My deer have taught me we hafta COVER what we want to keep.. 🍅🥦🥬🥒🌶🌽🍓🍇🍉🥕☝️😉👍 "Darn it!"-🦌
@@FarmallFanatic They taste great, and have already eaten the vegetables for you..better than you ever could..they eat healthy & clean like the Japanese(who eat the hastas too, yes the ones that comprise the flower bed along the house..rich in nutrients!) I love my family deer and their neighbors in town, so... (you're gonna love this🤣👍) "..we only eat the tourists.." (It sounds SO creepy @ first, but street smart lineages remain & we have excellent quality deer pushed out to hunting areas..people just have to cover their desired crops, small price to pay in end..meanwhile , my Zoe wants my beer greens as much as I!!)
I would like to see this study duplicated in highly-human-trafficked areas like farm grounds where the deer should become accustomed to human sights, smells, and sounds.
I hate it when i see and hear these city-slicker hunters shout or holler out loud when celebrating a kill during their fist-bumping sessions, to me and others it shows the level of immaturity, and disrespect for nature and creation............
I hope my taxpayer dollars did not go to fund this useless study. Obviously, deer in the wild were most reactive to the sounds they were least familiar with. Common sense. It's not that humans are the worst predators. I can talk to the deer in my neighborhood all day long. I get into staring contests with 10-point bucks.
Would be interested to see how they respond to likely hunter noises, like a cough or the ding of metal (from a tree stand)
I’d like to see deer reaction to alarmed squirrels and crows sounds.
*⚠️☠🦌💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨 "IF IT DOESN'T FIT, SPLIT!"
@@francisconti9085 that is the assumption, but let's let these researchers prove it 👍
@@paulsell2438 20 years of WALKING w/whitetail, in " their" area they know what's "out of place" in their "office".. I've learned a myriad of things, but the DEER are always right, we play second place in a photo finish @ best..but the MORE WE UNDSRSTAND...🤔🤯😃👍 I LOVE that I'm always learning & growing w/my wild deer! Love vids when they look directly @ person in tree stand, after I've seen them reacting nonchalantly to noise from it, laughing, "FINALLY, EYE CONTACT!" having "SEEN" what they were monitoring the whole time!
One more reason I love my deer friends & family, but the "tourists" sure taste good!
As someone who has coughed and dinged my stand they don't care
The voice of Kirby Smart strikes fear in the heart of wolverines as well. 😂😂❤️❤️
😂 Go Dawgs!
Very nice video thanks. Lol on the different voices!
They added my voice in there, and the deer bedded down and went to sleep lol
Thank you!
Enjoyed this and the article you wrote thanks Lindsay. Kind of funny in a way watching those deer react.
Thanks, Steve! This was a fun one to report on. The videos are definitely fascinating.
Hey I LOVE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING! This has been the best video I have ever seen to ever highlight some of what I've seen & learned in 20 years of walking w/whitetails!. Great job!personal experience while sitting with bedded deer backs this up. Being present with my deer in their suburban bedding area as a known fenced dog threat was expressing, a secondary "distractive" threat would cause retreat 200' away..IF A PERSON WHISTLED OR CALLED THE DOG, IT WAS STRAIGHT TO COVER & DEPART!
*Seeing the limited movement & consumption without interruption(finish the last bite)after the clear flinch of the big doe brought a HUGE smile to my face.. the sequence of "completion of priorities as processing threat & keeping low profile" similar to others continuing eating as "sentry" locks onto threat(all others at get as much eaten before they bolt)
*We need to remember deer "hold their cards close" & have @ least 5 levels of reaction priority..of which herd hierarchy, situational confidence, and experiential knowledge all affect. Seeing deer react while in traveling stack, point deer alarm, bolt, return from new vantage (as stack stopped..based on confidence of being unseen/ no contact where as the point deer "works" the threat & they observe..low profile ..) we had a relaxed but increasing awareness gradient from the back to the front of the stack.. it's amazing to be part of! Why I love my deer, , am devising a way to document as I can!
KNOWING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING is key..if YOU or any RESULT of you affects the environment in a way deer don't find routine, or find doesn't make sense, they'll spook.
The power of being still is many times stronger than that to run, and
"Decoy-return to investigate" compulsion, exercising stealth to satisfy curiosity/knowledge mandate, is beautiful to watch, but keeps them from consumption-rumination-rest cycle.
EXCELLENT WORK! This helps folks get into the minds of deer..gives a much better perspective!
Deer on my farm are use to me and my farmer routine. I can walk within 20-30’ of them and they’ll just watch me. I talk to them as I walk around the farm doing things to let them know I’m around. If I become silent, sneak up on them or do something that isn’t a usual farming routine, they’ll spook.
But I get the message in this video. That’s why I prefer to hunt, fish, and photograph wildlife alone. You see way more wildlife when you’re alone mainly because two or more people are more likely to talk.
No doubt, deer are smart enough to eventually figure out human activities that are non-threatening and those that mean trouble. Thanks for watching!
I would like to see this study duplicated in highly-human-trafficked areas like farm grounds where the deer should become accustomed to human sights, smells, and sounds.
Good job, found this interesting
Glad you enjoyed it!
Interesting findings. I would have imagined that the dogs and humans would have been the top since in the south some folks use packs of dogs to hunt. I imagine that proximity to the sounds plays a role in their reactions.
😁👍🦌
You guys do great work! I wish there was an easier way to capture all the moments of their daily lives through the seasons..there is so much to them..it's hard for us to "get into their perspective"
I've walked with local deer matriarchy for over 20 years, I've seen so much, but we haven't yet found a good way to capture in the neccessary totality their interaction with the world..
Their differentiation of voices and scents, threat level processing of the factors in the environment are amazing.. the least thing that doesn't belong brings the alarm.. deer can't "see" with acuity of detail, but see rather "qualities" of movement and spatially "see location" overlayed over their vision.. combined with amazing scent sensitivity, it's absolutely amazing how aware they are of the world around them..they just VACCUUM UP all that is going on around them, & carry on meanwhile as neccessary..
I love when folks get to the point where they "see" and start "synchronizing" with deer & their environment.
Thank you for all your work speaking for these majestic animals' ways👍
Great video,thanks
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for being a subscriber!
the coyote sounds sounded like baby coyotes
I sure agree, especially as fall comes and human activity in the woods increases.
My experience of 60 years in the WV woods of what scares deer the most is, most frightening to least: humans or ATVs>coywolves>coyotes or dogs>bears. We've discovered over the years that the less human intrusion, the better. Timbering activities however, do not seem to bother deer and in fact, draw them due to newly felled trees or mast knocked to the ground.
Great points, Nick. Thanks!
Do you think having the bait piles put them on edge?
Maybe. But two things we know: Hunting over bait is prohibited on the Jones Center (study site) even though it is legal in the state of Georgia, so these deer are not being hunted around corn piles. Also, the study was done in spring/summer, long after hunting season had closed.
I drive my utv through the woods regularly and walk around and it hasn't affected hunting at all. There's been times ill have deer stare at me as i drive by 30 yds from me
maybe the deer was going out for a pass ?
Definitely a deep route. LOL
Maybe what they're reacting to is an unfamiliar sound and not necessarily the call of a predator, human or otherwise.
That's probably why some deer weren't spooked by the coyote call. That's a familiar sound to them.
That's why the sounds of non-threatening bird species were included, as a "control." As expected, deer reacted far less often to bird sounds than to any of the predators. This suggests there's a connection between the threat level associated with each species and the deer's reaction.
Thanks for the great input just wish you would have talked about dogs more
There wasn't a whole lot to say about them other than showing the results in the graph: dogs were right between wolves and coyotes in the "fright" factor. Thanks for watching!
Dogs with association to human activity/vice versa is something to see.. HUMAN CALLING/WHISTLING DOES BLOW EVERYTHING!
Does anyone know what the numbers at the bottom of the "Probabality of Deer Fleeing These Sounds" chart stand for?
It's a percentage probability. So, for example, you can say that deer fled from the sound of a human 60% of the time (0.6 in the chart). And about 20% of the time for coyotes. So on.
good video.i hunt and live in north central wv and i can tell you our herds of deer are on edge year round no thanks to the coyote packs,spotlighters,and bobcats getting really thick.ive found full size deer sletons every year killed by coyotes and our herds suffer.they stay young never get size to them because their patterns including does are never in a straight line.they are all loopers .most travel half a mile overnight to keep moving to avoid predators.
Thanks!
In WV bears could be contributing to the deer being on edge. I hunt in S GA and in the Smokies. Deer in the Smokies are the flightiest deer I’ve ever hunted. I attribute a lot of their behavior to bear.
yes bears are starting to get repopulated around here and they dont help matters either.but they usually hibernate december til april.coyotes run constantly around here predating on deer
I'm not surprised, I've played different animal sounds around my cats just to see the reaction. Coyotes put them on alert and they were definitely nervous but play the sound of wolves and they lose their minds. They obviously have no idea what a wolf is. Other predators like cougar and bears get little to no reaction.
This makes me wonder if it's a built in fear of wolves on a genetic level or if there is something else about the howl itself that creates this reaction. In other words is it the howl or perhaps a specific individual sound in the howl? It would be fascinating to break down a wolf howl into it's individual notes and see if the reaction is the same playing them.
Definitely would be interesting to know more. Thanks for watching!
Obviously not deer from our residential neighborhood. They are not the least bit concerned by humans, and you can walk up to within 10 feet of them. I actually want to be able to scare them off, because they eat all our landscaping. Maybe I'll try wolf calls...
Cool experiment,
Thanks for info..deer are way smarter than most people think.
Their life depends on it.
Would they be afraid of carrots and baby potatoes, onions.
Exactly. Whitetails have outlived a lot of predators that are now extinct. They didn't do that by being dumb. Thanks for watching!
They can overcome that fear pretty quick. I've had deer that wait for me to talk to them. Still feel kinda guilty about the first buck I killed with a bow. Use to be a guy from my home town that could pet a full herd. Even put big ribbons on them during hunting season. Heard story of dudes killing his deer with ribbons. Yes they were wild deer.
I could see the wolf sound as a foreign sound that would scare deer. What if you used black bear sounds. ?
I believe any foreign sound would be red flag to deer.
I would be more inclined to think the deer are more scared by the wolf than the coyote because it sounds "bigger".
I have my own personal rifle range. I have deer come within 25 yards while Im shooting. The only time they get excited is when I take off with my four wheeler to check targets. And " IF " I make them the target !!!!!!!!! Ive had neighbors report me for shooting deer........because.......they go by and see the deer standing close by. Question is........when does it become illegal........when your shooting........or when your shooting and " just happen " to hit a deer ????
Deer are hardwired reflexively for threat awareness and processing, this carries over to social/hierarchical interactions..subtle eyes/posture nonverbal communications are HEAVILY intent biased in perception..in other words, they pay attention to effect of actions and note any predatory fixation which could lead to a threat. They key on being focused upon..
They will keep doing their "job" collecting food right under CONSTRUCTION or tree felling so long as not seen or focused upon. Noise keeps predators away, & deer will exploit. I watched my wild deer as they closely (100' away) watched the Bar& Grill constructed on edge of one of their bedding areas..they disregarded the business, all the traffic..not ignored, but prioritized as they respected potential threat..they just didn't pre-react.
Deer manage their security by intense knowledge of routines & events of their environment, their curiosity is a strong instinct to support this end.
They KNOW you even if you didn't see them..they know within reason what to expect of you if they allow you to see them..😉👍
I work on the farm I hunt. I'm always everywhere on the 230 acres. I can walk right by the does walking to my watch. No closer than about 100 yards though. They barely lift their heads when a tractor goes by about the same distance. The bucks don't summer here, makes them a little tricky, but the girls help with that 😉
most hunter are by them selves not talking to anyone. music?
Where I hunt, if they wind you they won't come to the feeder.Where I live the neighborhood does tolerate me walking by with my dog and seldom move unless I stop and stare at them.They use a year round spring for drinking water and they show up to it every single day, but not usually the same time.
2 millions years if you believe in the theory of evolution
I think we in North America recieved whitetail 4million yrs ago..
*I gotta refresh my knowledge!
@@francisconti9085 lol
@@FarmallFanatic I know they have been around long enough to figure out our vegetable gardens are like PRODUCE SECTIONS.. our suburban LANDSCAPING the same.. keep out predators, offer cover & barricades, fences that offer security like a big playpen.. & even better, we point out the best with deterrents..
My deer have taught me we hafta COVER what we want to keep..
🍅🥦🥬🥒🌶🌽🍓🍇🍉🥕☝️😉👍
"Darn it!"-🦌
@@francisconti9085 I gave up long ago...I just eat the deer
@@FarmallFanatic They taste great, and have already eaten the vegetables for you..better than you ever could..they eat healthy & clean like the Japanese(who eat the hastas too, yes the ones that comprise the flower bed along the house..rich in nutrients!)
I love my family deer and their neighbors in town, so...
(you're gonna love this🤣👍)
"..we only eat the tourists.."
(It sounds SO creepy @ first, but street smart lineages remain & we have excellent quality deer pushed out to hunting areas..people just have to cover their desired crops, small price to pay in end..meanwhile , my Zoe wants my beer greens as much as I!!)
I would like to see this study duplicated in highly-human-trafficked areas like farm grounds where the deer should become accustomed to human sights, smells, and sounds.
I hate it when i see and hear these city-slicker hunters shout or holler out loud when celebrating a kill during their fist-bumping sessions, to me and others it shows the level of immaturity, and disrespect for nature and creation............
🗣I have seen more deer 🦌 than I care to count (38 years experience) RUN OFF at the sound of the rifle SAFETY being moved. CLICK 🙀. 🤠
Would have been interesting to hear a gun caulking
I hope my taxpayer dollars did not go to fund this useless study. Obviously, deer in the wild were most reactive to the sounds they were least familiar with. Common sense. It's not that humans are the worst predators. I can talk to the deer in my neighborhood all day long. I get into staring contests with 10-point bucks.