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Here are the AI image generating tools I mentioned, similar to what Dolores does this episode --
Dall-E Mini: huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini
Artbreeder: www.artbreeder.com/
The data inside the facility is the sublime
The data key to the sublime is inside Bernard.
Ever watch Person of Interest?
Even incoherent science fiction is still interesting.
You gotta stop smoking crack. The cgi was fine... actually pretty good. Lisa Joy and John Nolan are writing every episode in conjunction with other writers so how are they not as in involved with the show??? You got some serious issues kid.
So are we going to get alt shift x breakdowns? Because that's one of the main reasons why I feel like I understood what was going on last season
Yes please. I like the Alt Shift X recaps much better than this ramble on style. Dont care for this type of video.
I imagine so. I guess he made this for fun while he's working on an actual series. Just gonna take some time.
Yeah I liked the episode breakdowns in the previous seasons. Maybe he’ll do a recap of the whole season once it’s done.
Yh I don’t watch westworld but I listen to these podcasts.
Every. Season.
Somehow, the Westworld has returned!
Dark science. Cloning. Secrets only the HBO knew.
I was a huge fan of Westworld and i didn't even know a S4 was coming untill i saw this. Wy the hell wasn't this more hyped 😂
Because season 3 shit the bed like amber turd
@C I was much more into the mystery/riddles/ when/where/who/how of the story. I didn’t mind the mind games or the discovery process. What was it that you didn’t like about it?
only 300k people watched season 4 episode 1 lol, i wouldnt call it "under hyped" its more like "shit"
Because season 2 was overcomplicated, season 3 was underwhelming.
@C I have not watched episode 1 yet, but I think that there were so many concepts introduced in season 2 which have undermined the best parts of season 1. The host pearl brain being one. If the hosts have this pearl brain then why was it a big deal when they got a lobotomy in season 1? How would they even get a lobotomy? The idea in season 1 was that robots are like people, they are unique, have desires and feeling and cannot easily be replaced (Maeve has a nervous breakdown when she realises that Clementine was replaced with Clementine 2.0). But then there is this place where new copies of the same robots can be created. Why? There are many other things I did not like, but this comment would be too long if I did. In my opinion Westworld truly shines in season 1. The rest of the seasons though...are not as good. An other, perhaps unfair, criticism I have is that the human villain from season 3 (the guy who created Rohoboam) is a very forgettable character. Though the actor who was playing him is a good and competent actor, he is no Anthony Hopkins. Maybe it was the writing, maybe it was the directing, but the villain was a very boring character. Also, a guy creates a supercomputer which basically controls humanity, but he doesn't know not to plug in a suspicious USB (Dolores) into said computer?
The shot of Caleb injured in Maeve's memory/dream is new. Presumably it's what caused Caleb to go back to construction and stop being a revolutionary? I am sure we will learn more later this season. Sorry to hear this won't be weekly but I was glad to see this video.
The episode is titled auguries, so it might also not have happened yet.
@@Psi-Storm yes I worry for Caleb after seeing him shot. It could be a flash forward, what's to come. Don't kill off Caleb unless it's that last season.
You should give Severance a watch, I think you’ll really enjoy it!
Please do more Westworld S4 videos!
Dolores is finally inside a simulation. Specifically, she’s in the Hoover Dam data center being used to decrypt what she zipped up in Season Two.
Makes sense. I was wondering how they were going to bring her back in this season and in what capacity. I miss the rancher's daughter version though.
She’s definitely stuck in some sort of “loop” just like S1 no matter if in the real world or an simulation
Okay, that makes a lot more sense, especially seeing what she is seeing.
The ACTING in episode 1 made me feel like they were all SIMS! The mannerisms, the kinda awkward walks and gestures -- so subtle, but then you remember these are very talented actors and that rarely anything is an accident.
BUT if the show continues with their use of different film dimensions for simulations, then this can't be a simulation. We saw in a later episode with Bernard inside the valley beyond that they are still using this as a sign of being inside a simulation. I tend to think Dolores is in the future, inside a park where the NPCs are actually human and not hosts. Charlores is pretty clear that she wants to do to humans what humans did to hosts. I think it's very possible that Dolores is in this park - likely in an attempt to get the key to the human data gathered in the forge (that is in Bernard's head - but Charlores doesn't know that).
Schwiftys back!
after 4th episode, IT WORTHS DISCUSSING. CONTINUE PLEASE
They kinda flip everything because in the first episode we hear the people who are hyped to be "in the park" but it looks like our reality boring down town city life. But to the people going there it's something new just like the wild west from our perception. I think people need to keep that in mind.
It wouldn't be wild for those guys, if it's a real future world park 7-8 years after the uprising, the world wouldn't have changed enough. So either it's fully virtual and people can interact with it as if it would be real, or it's decades later, the apocalypse happened, and that story happens around the time Bernard returns from the sublime.
That could be the peaceful entrance environment, where Dolores lives and works. There could be zones like GTA or other real world sim areas. All sorts of minigames.
There are no people going there, only hosts! The people are now slaves and controlled just like the hosts were in the parks and now it's their turn to rule.
@@DezWonda so, to the hosts going to a Human city in this time period is as novel as us attending exotic locations in the park. To the hosts the outside world is an exotic location. So. what the humans find boring the hosts find new and exotic.
PLEASE do it weekly :(
Would absolutely love another chance to hear what you think of the season up to now. This episode that just premiered today, Ep 5, was to me the most interesting of the season so far.
and then 6 came out. it's so damn good.
@@gandalfandchill549 Ummm.... No lol
1. I think William is alive.
2. I think Bernard is the one that brought back Teddy.
3. I think NYC is a park. The real world is dust/apocalyptic. Hinted in the last trailer where you have a full haired Bernard (most likely in the sublime) and a bald headed Bernard with Ashley Stubbs in a dusty world.
If NYC is a park what's up with LA?
@@nobodyimportant2911 did you see LA in the series so far?
@@nobodyimportant2911 no answer?
@@MisterW-24 Caleb is literally in LA the entire episode lol
This would make total sense bc when the guys pass “Christina” they were like “this is your first time? It’s so cool” or something like that. I was like why is this…fun? It looks like regular nyc to me. But I think it hinted at her being in the park bc of her friend asking her to pick between the white or black shoes.
So no break downs of this amazing season from you. Sad. I guess you will do a season 4 recap.
Man what are we gonna do without your videos, please if you could at least make a video explaining the season like what you did in the first season
We need more westworld content from Alt Shift X 😿
i think chrissylores is actually in a park bc those ppl walk by and they say like "this is your first time here" and "this place is crazy" or something like that and then the homeless guy seems like he might be one of those story lines from the worlds and also i think the way that chrissy wakes up also shows that it is not real because its so similar to westworld s1
I kinda hope they've spent seven years training real flies to become assassins instead of using their considerable robotic knowledge. 😜
HA 😂😂😂 now that would be awesome lol
Ok. They're real flies used as nano robot delivery systems.. I apologize for a portion of my snark.
So if you feel like doing another lifestream...or a recap in the end of the season...that would be fine by me ;-)
(trying really hard not to mention how crushed my heart is to watch the rest of the season without ASX commentary...)
37:08 THIS. It is so much more refreshing watch an ambitious trainwreck of a show that at least TRIES to do something different than the same boring crap we keep being fed over and over again
Please do episodes breakdowns like you did on season 3 of westworld in your other channel😍
Did anyone else have no idea Westworld was actually coming back?
No clue. Only caught wind of it because of a nerd soup podcast
Yep! But that’s how it been with so many shows this year. They just came…back lol no teaser really they just show it. I found out about this a week before it aired.
No HBO promo’ed it hard everywhere I went online something was there
Just watched your stream. I think, to your point of hoping they have a good ending planned, they set out to make 5 seasons. They mentioned they have a clear beginning, middle and end planned.
I think season 4 will be good (like you said you enjoyed this episode more than you thought). I hope you do the usual weekly Alt Shift X full analysis.
I think the Dolores we see is in another futureworld park. Maybe her timeline is set after or before the current timeline. We've seen hosts reused in other parks. Would explain Teddy. Also could explain the weird stalker thing. This might be a host who has somehow attained sentience and knows it's because of what Westworld Dolores did. And the weird people showing up and saving her could be Delos guards taking the malfunctioning host out of the park.
Edit: so I just watched the S4 trailer and there's a lot of spoilery stuff there tbh...one of which is a shot of Caleb in the same environment as Dolores but everyone is frozen in place so yeah looks like hosts.
I feel crazy because no one is mentioning the scene toward the beginning of the episode, where Delores is first leaving her apartment and stepping out into the city.
Three men pass her on the stairs, animatedly jabbering to each other:
"That was insane! This is WAY better than I expected."
"This place is FUCKIN' wild, I can't belieeeve this is your first time!"
"Come on, I know a spot that's really gonna blow your mind."
Between theater park energy they're trotting downstairs with, and the clear parallels to Logan introducing William to Westworld, this seems like an obvious headnod to the possibility that this is just another Delos attraction.
In my estimation there's a pretty good chance they're using AI-powered simulation tech rather than host tech, but I've only seen the first episode so far.
I believe that the Dolores we see so far is a copy that holds the encryption key, and is also a hybrid with Rohobo. Similar to how Ripley was a hybrid in Alien: Resurrection. They're trying to suss out the key, and this Dolores's journey will be to awaken again. It's like poetry...
Also, the flies are likely a reference to another Crichton property, "Prey". Also, also, I think the people in the pods in the intro are supposed to be evocative of maggots in their pupating stage, that make up a compound eye. So, if the flies are supposed to represent control, then the imagery fits what we've seen so far. Humans are the hosts now, and they're being gathered, likely using some form of media control, like game. Perhaps, without Rohobo, they're also using this Dolores to infiltrate people's minds through the game.
It’s been a great season! I hope you do more vids on it
What if Christina's timeline is in the past? What if she's who Dolores is modeled after??
That is kinda my thought, I get “past” vibes from her life, all except the teddy appearance
Dolores was first created way before all the cyberpunk tech we see in her storyline now. I'm pretty sure she's in a simulation, but I don't know to what end
The show must go on !
People can be other people. Back to back scenes can take place in different time periods or different Realities, with no hint given to the audience. Characters can be re-programmed by other characters, go insane, or be copies of themselves with totally different motivations. Dead characters can come back to life.
Enough is enough. I love high concept stuff, but we are on Season 4, and its such a God-awful confusing mess that I can even begin to untangle what is going on with this first episode. Worse, I don't care, because I don't feel anchored to any of the personalities or any part of the setting. There is no one to identify with and root for, because all these people feel like total strangers at this point!
Exactly right. The characters shift so much that you can't get a grip on their motivations. I watch mainly to learn what kind of motives the writers will give to artificial humans. If it turns out that the artificial humans are so much like flesh and blood humans that their motivations are the same (and how else would we relate?), then the important differences, "immortality", super-human abilities, etc., become almost background. I wish the "hosts" would have existential crises of their own, related to their unique circumstances. Such as, do they really want to go off to "live" forever in a heavenly zone? So much opportunity to explore is lost in this show.
I was surprised but like you said in the beginning, even though season 2 and 3 happened, it got me interested again. Hope it will be a good seoson.
My read is that the flashback to Caleb on the beach (which is new footage I'm pretty sure), is him dying, and hes been replaced by host copy with all his memories and the like. The whole if you cant tell the diference does it really matter thing, this IS Caleb but just in a different form, I could easily be wrong though, but otherwise why show him seemingly baddly injured after the events of season 3 if thats not important?
First live I caught! Always love hearing your takes on shows!
You should watch the inside the episode recaps. Evan Rachel Wood claims that Christina is a human (I don't really buy that). Lisa & Johnathan explained that they filmed in New York amongst the public, so those people with masks might actually just be New York citizens, but it's interesting they left that in if they are. They also pointed out that Colonel Brigham character and later there was another returning host named Walter from season 1 who came after Caleb, but Maeve stabbed him.
I watched an interview with her, she said she approached playing Dolores this year as if she was human.
Walter..."Growing Boy! and "I need more milk, Arnold!"
Didn't even know they were planning a season 4. Guess this is the death knell.
Originally Nolan/Joy planned it as five seasons, but after most folk went “huh!” in Season 3 after Season 2 had given them a headache, I think HBO have scaled it back to just four, though in someways the Season 3 cliffhanger, were a damaged Char-lores is coming for us all was quite an ending.
Personally I loved the first 3 seasons, even if I’ve had to watch each episode back 5-times to really understand the narrative. Fortunately its rich enough to take repeat viewing.
I think this Deloris will go on to write characters for Delos. She is the prequel to Westworld And the human creator of the digital Deloris.
Delos= Delo(re)s
Delos is a Greek island where the mythological sun god (apollo) and moon goddess (artemis) were born
The birds eye shot in the intro with all the burning people in the tubes, looks like a fly's eye...
Colonel is definitely a former host from westworld, we'll probably see what he did in a flashback
He is. If u watch after credits there is bts and production videos
Yeah pretty sure theres a pearl in his noggin
The skull was the colonel Brigham host back in the Westworld park.
I'm upset this is still going but they cancelled Raised by Wolves. Stopped watching Westworld after season 2 was 3 alright since you said you still enjoy this?
Hey Schwifty, I would love your take on this season! That absolute hack Alt Shift X doesn't seem to feature Westworld content on his channel anymore, so I guess it all falls onto you. I liked the season, but the finale really underwhelmed me. I liked William's and Charlores' endings though. Love all your content, can't wait for the next ACOK abridged!
I am your big fan from Taiwan. I would be much appreciated if you can make a Westworld Season 4 overall review video. Thank you very much 🙏🙏🙏
Discord server + mentioning @everyone would work pretty well for notifications. Disable messages for normal users to avoid having to moderate anything and you're good.
18:53 like the eye of a fly
Im okay to watch Westworld this season, but I really want Raided by wolves ASAP
have you heard it's been cancelled?
My theory is the Deloris stuff in this episode takes place way in the future after the Season 2 finale tease and the Season 3 finale tease. She is in a park and the person who runs the tower is Evil Deloris. She is making Good Deloris write stories for the beings in this park aka humans. This allows the theme of G.D. continuing to be a liberator for all beings like at the end of Season 3. The AI finally won and now have the code to control and plan human patterns/behaviors bringing it full circle from the secret goal of the parks in Season 1-2. The humans have become the machines and the AI have taken on the role of the humans and are controlling everything. The cycle is now complete. If true, I see one more season left after this.
Oh and the dam that E.D. took over not only has the AI that got away (I.e. teddy) but is also where the season 2 finale future tease took place with AI William and his daughter testing him.
I assumed Dolores was in some sort of simulation, and that’s why her stalker guy keeps going about some tower and how she made his ending. I’m not sure if she’s in control of the simulation or the simulation is designed around her, maybe to test her ability to come to consciousness?
How Did Bernard & Stubbs Stay In That Hotel 🏨 For So Long? 😂 That Bill's Gotta Be Crazy!
You don't get a maid for the motel room... for 100 years? Of course there will be some dust! lol
the later dune books comparison is apt, and one that was on my mind when i was watching it as well... specifically after Bernard visits the Sublime, when he says he saw a path, that seemed to be almost consciously referencing Leto II and the “golden path” in God-Emperor of Dune, as well as Foundation
Westworld is not "it's own original thing". It is based on a very popular movie, and the show was quite good as long as it was working within the parameters of the original story. The story they told was not an exact copy of the original movie, but the framework and beginning/middle/end are the same.
I think it's notable that the show took a sharp downhill turn as soon as they left the original framework in Season 2. In hindsight, it would have been so much better if they had just created a single season that had a more satisfied ending, and then ended it.
You stop grey goo with a firewall. Second Life had a similar situation with self replicating Sonic rings creeping through the servers. So they turned off the servers surrounding the problem to contain it.
Grey goo?
I think that generally the themes of Westworld can be seen more clearly after watching Person of Interest. I see it as a companion, reboot, and a sequel of POI.
Also, it's not that revolutions are such failures. It's that counterrevolutions are so successful.
Could you do a review of the whole season? Thank you
33:15 😂 westworld in a nutshell
The problem with stories where anything is possible, and nobody can really die, is that there is absolutely no drama. At this point each of the main characters has died many times, and the only "human" in the story (William) is dead (or probably he's not). And regarding Caleb, it's never really been clear whether he's human or just another type of robot. And maybe he's dead and they are all back in the park. Or each of the story lines we are watching are taking place decades or centuries apart from each other, and it's all a time trick like the Nolan's are known for.
Again, the problem for me is I just don't care anymore, since they can clearly just undo whatever gets done from scene to scene.
Hope I'm wrong and it's different this season.
I always saw the flies as "update on the fly"
Woohoo! And we get the Schwift Discussh😀
Maeve has entered the Treehouse of the Mind. Very sublime for an AI. She blacked out the village with her mind. Can she tap into ‘The Sublime’?
I’m so bummed about RBW🐺🐍
Bro, Maeve literally had a cord from his skull plugged into her arm, it was pretty clear he was a host.
Also, I think he might've missed at the beginning of the episode where they indicate pretty clearly that Delores' city isn't real.
Hilarious that you mention DALL-E Mini and stuff exactly while I have GPT3’s Beta Playground at Open AI in my other window right now.
I've created a Twitter bot just for schwift's streams, the bummer is that he streams while I'm sleeping. I'm glad for the rest of you though
So Westworld is back, but they cancelled Raised by Wolves? Great. Yeap.
I mean I wish they could both exist and flourish, but it looks like HBO is hard up for money, and if I have to choose between the futuristic robot shows it’s gonna be Raised by Wolves.
However that episode when they went to Shanghai world was the best episode, it stuck with me, and will stay with me forever.
I hope you’ll do a serious analysis at the end of the season! There’s a lot of stuff here you didn’t catch and would understand by rewatching the episode
I love Maeve’s storyline. I didn’t want a clean easy resolution for something so relatable… a parent’s quest to find her child. I actually often wonder about the motivation of others in comparison. Dolores’ S3 story was compelling but also was confusing last season. They should’ve done more to justify her decision to change course after being so hell bent on destroying humanity. It’s interesting seeing her vulnerable again this season. I have a feeling that won’t last too long. Love Ed Harris but I’m hoping they can do something different with William this season. The “Detestable Rich Asshole beating up his robots” thing has played itself out. I am glad he’s a robot now.
2:38 Well, that was a confusing few seconds.
They said in the interviews that they've improved the CGI lol
Westworld is the most ambitious series I've seen 3 seasons out of the park is a risk the show runners are aware of but westworld is the park with the Grand Canyon its wild expanse. Answer in the 4th season
39:23 Form follows function = creativity follows function = hardware (form) follows software (function).
It seems we have at least 3 timelines going on, meta philosophical commentary, and no terrible action scenes. West world is good again!
Yes it is
Yes,I can finnaly watch this
42:22 we see the black pearl of a brain the host had.
Westworld went from being my all time favorite show with S1 to the biggest disappointment with S2 & S3. WW S1 will always be the best season of any show and I sometimes wish they ended it there, but I know I would have been craving more seasons. And now I cannot stop watching, mainly because I feel I must finish all the shows I start, and also hoping it might get better. Other than that, the show is visually stunning with an amazing score, and the actors are top tier.
I can pretty much guarantee that as far as an ending goes for this series...... it won't be good!
Ahhhh Schwift would love a mid-season stream!!!
Do you seriously think all hosts have mazes put under the skulls? It was only the Ghost Nation that did that. Also the colonel Maeve kills is from season 2 of the show. He is definitely a host.
I loved season three tho, I thought it was really better than season 2. Despite the messy plot
Agreed!
I like that even ASX lost interest in this season. Same here.
This season is so much better than season 3 so far. Hope you review all of the episodes
Season 3 was not a war against the robots. It was a human to human war against the establishment (Rehoboam driven determinism/minority report). Hosts were involved but not openly.
My main problem with Westworld has been lack of investment, I think this comes from two things.
1. It seems that there are limited plot/story consequences, characters can die, the world can be destroyed, goals can be achieved... and none of it really means much, since in the next episode/season they can just wave the sci-fi hand and it's undone... So I struggle to be invested in that way.
2. Some of the themes that it tries to push out just don't resonate with me... It keeps saying humans are base, and evil and all that and I just don't think that would work as a message when I (a human) need to view these things as bad for them to be presented to me in this way... and it just hits these ones again and again.
Willing to accept this is a me issue, but it's a real shame, since there's a lot I do like with the show, I just struggle to watch and get invested in it.
My favourite DALL-E Mini prompts are “Fisher Price guillotine” and “Fisher Price *” in general (Putin, various “toys”, etc.)
I stopped watching westworld since season 2 but I really enjoy these videos.
WTF? they cancelled raised by wolves? it was one of the best sci fi shows ever.
I hope you can make a vid on the other eps, really enjoying this season, specially compared to seasons 2 and 3
Pretty sure you can see Colonel Brigham’s pearl casing in that Maeve scene if you zoom in.
It's pretty impressive how prophetic Schwifty is around 32:00, it's even funnier to me that he uses metaknowledge of the story through trailers to pessimistically decide that that won't happen. Makes a great case that obsessing over everything about the media instead of just the story often leads to bad story prophecies.
Make westworld season 4 episodes explained on alt shift x please
You're speaking about Von Neumann probes, btw. With the self-replicating nanobots. It's pretty impressive that you just kinda came up with that on your own, considering who John Von Neumann was.
Always great to get your Westworld take! 🦾
Im thinking this fake Dolores is like a fail safe in the server to protect the data inside from the outside, so William is uploading a fake Teddy bot to unlock her and the data. And maybe the vision of Maeve attacking the facility with Caleb is like a something that’s already happened and her meeting Caleb again this episode has happened in the past
It's not that we "can't go back" to the action and adventure. It's that doing so has the potential to change us in ways that make us dangerous. And miserable.
Please make more Westworld S4 videos! I don’t mind waiting until after HOTD ends.
Hey I hope you’re okay Alt Schwift x
Makes sense for Teddy to be in the New York storyline if that's in the far future - Hale's 'reverse Westworld'.
This season seems promising. If u have the time I'd love to hear episode thoughts like u did with raised by wolves because apparently that show is canceled
Just finished rewatching season 3 before this one and it's actually better than I remember.
I kind of forgot about the meaningful moments, monologues and dialogues, while vividly remembering the over the top action scenes. Hopefully this season will have more of the former and less of the latter. And the screwed up timelines as well
Aw man but the over the top action was fun though
@@jethroreading7168 some were fun, yeah. Like the Dolores vs Stubbs fight, that was cool
Pleaaaaasse come back, the season actually turned out to be good!
Apocolypse means the "Beginning of the end" not the actual end.
i feel like season 4 deserves your analysis and recaps