You have to feel for Eden after years of his mentor telling him "This will all be yours son, uh soon that is." (Eden was something like the son Churchill wanted as opposed to his disastrous actual boy Randolph) Of course the irony is he became the UK version of Herbert Hoover of whom it was said he had a brilliant career right up until he became president. Also even old and out of touch Churchill would not have been fool enough to bungle the Suez Affair since above all he wouldn't have so badly misjudged Ike's response.
The problem is Eden response was fine and probably best. It was the Americans response and betrayal to their allies that not only negatively impacted america and their allies in the region.
@@kordellswoffer1520 the ENTIRE world was against them. hell, the Soviets AND Americans were on the same page! It was a naked act of aggression to Egypt acting in their owns elf interest. It wasnt just the Americans and Soviets too. The commonwealth did not support the action, most of the world didnt actually. yes, you COULD argue its a betrayal, but thats just grasping at straws.
@@scorpionfxe2042 it's not grapsing as straws if you admit yourself the Americans were against them. The act of aggression was in response to Egypt acts of aggression of british intrestes. The Americans choices where short sided and it betrayed their long term intrestes in the region and that of their allies.
I think it’s unfair to say that Churchill is Eden’s mentor. Eden is more of a Lieutenant than a protégé to Churchill. Eden served in cabinet under three Prime Ministers before Churchill. Both of them in my opinion have a contractual relationship rather than a personal relationship.
@@alifridzo1820 Yes, your point is valid although Randolph was jealous of his personal relationship with his father. Eden knew Churchill from the start of his career in early Twenties and for much of that time Winston was generally seen as a washed up has been. Eden always makes me think of the line about Herbert Hoover - "He had such a brilliant resume and then he had to spoil it by becoming president."
I didn't know Churchill could Roast . "Stalin said the same, he died grovelling on the floor" 🤣🤣🤣 These lines... could be a jhon grisham novel if he wasn't in into law.
Oh Churchill could roast all right. On Ramsay Macdonald: "A sheep in sheep's clothing." His nemesis Lady Astor: "If you were my husband I'd put poison in your tea." Winston: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it." When told that his political opponent Clement Attlee is a modest man: "He's got a lot to be modest about." Bessie Braddock: “Winston, you are drunk.“ Winston: “My dear, you are ugly, but tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be ugly.“
Oh yeah, Churchill’s wit was legendary as the previous comment shows. One of my favourites was when he was on the toilet and one of his aides told him he was late for a meeting. He replied, “I can only deal with one shit at a time.”
I doubt they ever spoke to each other like this. Churchill was very aware that Eden had lost a lot -- Eden's son had been killed in the war. Churchill rarely ever spoke up in anger against his key allies; especially if those allies were emotionally damaged by public service and for literally sacrificing members of their family to defend the country. Churchill had far too much respect for Eden to shout at him or to make fun of him. However, Churchill didn't want to give way mostly because he knew Eden was both 1) a drug addict 2) too bereaved with the loss of his son to be an effective leader. Churchill wanted others to take over the leadership... but none of the candidates were wiling to stand up to Eden who was, in the public's view, 1) a hero for standing up against Nazism 2) had lost his son during the war 3) the news about his surgeries had been hidden from the public 4) was considered "young" and well educated... sadly... Eden was not that great of a leader upon becoming Prime Minister because 1) he was arrogant (ex. when he went to Egypt he spoke in classical Arabic that barely anyone could understand and began lecturing Egyptians on the right form of government) 2) ignored every piece of useful advice given to him by his key advisors 3) was hell-bent on taking out Nasser and ignored any dialogue with the Americans about it... anyway... Eden is a complicated figure, but although one of the worst Prime Ministers the UK had (probably ranking up there with Cameron) he was certainly a very interesting figure who history should treat with sympathy.
Nobody is worse than Cameron, with the possible exceptions of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss - but they merely tried to build on the cracked foundation Cameron left them. The Brexit Referendum was single worst decision made by any prime minister since the Act of Union created the United Kingdom in 1707.
Cameron? as Bad as the Man was , he was the first PM since thatcher that stopped betraying the country and gave us an actual vote on EU membership and until the next PM helps starts an oil war and kills over 700,000 people in the process the worst PM EVER will be Blair, followed closely by Brown , that tried to force through 28 day detention without charge(stopped only by the Lords - the Shame)
The blocking in this scene is fantastic. For about 45 seconds, Eden and Churchill are framed together in a wide shot, suggesting that Eden is trying to maintain cordiality and coolness between him and his father-figure and mentor. Eden talks down on Churchill, scrunched up and looking frail on the couch. Then Eden blows up at Churchill, which leads to an exchange of close-ups, now that the gloves are off and both are being honest. The scene finally ends with Churchill standing up literally and metaphorically to Eden, and by throwing Eden's papers onto the floor and yelling at Eden, bookends the scene with the same kind of admonishment that began the conflict. So good!
Was this show's depiction of Eden accurate? Like how he showed up to a meeting with the Americans completely drugged up on barbiturates? I understand the show is fiction, of course, but I'm always unclear how much is invented for the sake of drama. It's hard to imagine any leader showing up to a formal diplomatic meeting completely strung out.
Yes it did show that, you see Eden pressuring his aide on the plane to administer drugs. It then cuts to him overdosed sleeping in a chair in front of the Americans with one asking if that’s blood as it was appearing through his white shirt on his arm . They then remarked how sad it was how Britain and its leaders are a shadow of who they were prior to the war.
Eden had terrible health issues then (lousy timing) and amphetamines and barbiturates were seen as relatively harmless medicines and prescribed like Tylenol in those days.
@@mikegalvin9801 from my understanding he got addicted to pain medication because he was in constant pain after a botched galbladder surgery Kinda feel sorry for the guy tbh but it was worrying to discover we had the prime minister suffering from strokes and the foreign secretary both not being fit to lead the country
The older I grow, the more I realize that health is really the #1, #2 and #3 most important thing in your life. This body needs to be in good shape for everything else that happens in life. It's funny that these two great statesmen went to the lowest common denominator between them in terms of competition--who is the healthier one. LOL.
Worse than present day governance in Ireland... powersharing 😂 couldn't share a bag of chips at dinner break, therefore they render themselves obsolete as governors.
Erm am I watching the Crown or is this a live feed to Boris Johnsons home with a Tory MP standing up to hi- oh wait no that can’t be right they back him 100% regardless of all that and more. Carry on!
Suez was the original Neoconservative / Blairite exploitation of the "Munich analogy" (although the Americans were the prudent ones in 1956). Apart from that, Eden was also responsible for several other disasters in his two years in power, from Cyprus to Yemen. And in fact, the original Munich might have worked if Chamberlain had agreed to involve the Soviets. He didn't, leading to the Nazi-Soviet division of Eastern Europe.
@@janandersen8735 Stalin repeatedly offered to both the British and the French a military alliance against Hitler, and both ignored him, then he turned to Hitler. Stalin of course was...Stalin, but ignoring the elephant in the room never works. But my original point was about Suez. Neoconservatives never learn. Afghanistan, Iraq, now Ukraine, tomorrow Russia or China...
@@giannb5145 The one where Stalin gets to put a million soldiers in Poland? That would have worked. Except for Poland. As for the Suez crisis, it had a lot more to do with the last vestiges of colonialism and and anger at Nasser than Neocons.
According to Andrew Roberts in A History of the English Speaking Peoples, Eden’s drug addiction is more myth than reality and that, according to his doctor’s notes, he was never actually addicted to them.
@@michaeldandrea540 the man who is savid to have won the battle of britain saying to his protege , that when he walks one can hear the pills rattle in his body
This is hammy nonsense. These men were British aristocrats. They would never have caterwauled at each other like this, no matter how much they might have disliked each other.
Churchill famously exposed himself to people without their consent. He’d sometimes be completely naked when people walked into his rooms or offices. How aristocratic is that?
@@Lamporre - He "famously exposed himself" on a regular basis, huh? "Without their CONSENT"?? HORRORS. You actually mean HE DIDN'T ASK THEM before showing off his Willy?? Yes, I've read the story of how Churchill paraded himself, starkers, in front of the entire infantry and tank regiments assembled for his inspection in North Africa in 1943. He is rumoured to have been treated for severe genital sunburn afterward. All suppressed by staff officers with threats of courts martial, of course. You are a dope and need to get a life.
You know as a Traditional Socialist and Left Wing Nationalist/Patriot I have to say Anthony Eden was one of our BEST PMs despite what critics say: for these reasons: A. Had the lowest workforce unemployment rate of the post-war (below 1% of workforce). B. Has the third lowest tax burden of any PM. C. Finished the work of Churchill by finally removing the last traces of government ID cards. D. The Suez crisis, without me rambling on basically the British, French and Israel forces were fighting the Nationalisation of the Suez cannel which would have disastrous effects on European oil trade and threatened a new Arab Alliance. We actually won the won and it was military victory but the evil globalist USA intervened and force us and the French to withdraw, which resulted in the downfall of Eden’s and the very good French PM, a true patriotic socialist (I’m an Auth left or Old Labour person), Guy Mollet. E. Won the 1955 election with a 60 seat majority, the largest of 90 years F. Successful Lassie-Faire government allocating ministers to focus on there strengths (like Rab Butler). G. Was technically the first Eurosceptic PM, wether intentionally or not, leaving out of entering the EEC founding talks which spared us about 17 years of freedom (till Ted Heath decided to change that). Which to me this issue is a big one being a Leaver. Eden definitely is in my top 5 PMs.
It was such a different time it's hard to say. It may surprise a lot of people nowadays who know of Churchill as a staunch British nationalist and passionate backer of the Empire, that he also felt strong ties to the Continent. During WW2, to help prop up France as it was collapsing, he proposed that the UK and France actually merge. After the war, he was a strong backer of European unity, including with the UK firmly and completely enmeshed in it.
For some reason, this scene is so hilarious and British.
I thought I was the only one that found this scene hilarious 😂
Hilarious? If it wasn't so tragic.
@@applecounty People find the strangest things funny
Тонкие начитанные умные люди . Очень приятно слушать их речь.
Ikr, I couldn’t stop laughing. The writing was so effective at being serious and entertaining.
Brilliant scene. Seeing Eden so desperate and Churchill so defensive is so interesting to see.
You have to feel for Eden after years of his mentor telling him "This will all be yours son, uh soon that is." (Eden was something like the son Churchill wanted as opposed to his disastrous actual boy Randolph) Of course the irony is he became the UK version of Herbert Hoover of whom it was said he had a brilliant career right up until he became president. Also even old and out of touch Churchill would not have been fool enough to bungle the Suez Affair since above all he wouldn't have so badly misjudged Ike's response.
The problem is Eden response was fine and probably best. It was the Americans response and betrayal to their allies that not only negatively impacted america and their allies in the region.
@@kordellswoffer1520 the ENTIRE world was against them. hell, the Soviets AND Americans were on the same page! It was a naked act of aggression to Egypt acting in their owns elf interest. It wasnt just the Americans and Soviets too. The commonwealth did not support the action, most of the world didnt actually. yes, you COULD argue its a betrayal, but thats just grasping at straws.
@@scorpionfxe2042 it's not grapsing as straws if you admit yourself the Americans were against them. The act of aggression was in response to Egypt acts of aggression of british intrestes. The Americans choices where short sided and it betrayed their long term intrestes in the region and that of their allies.
I think it’s unfair to say that Churchill is Eden’s mentor. Eden is more of a Lieutenant than a protégé to Churchill. Eden served in cabinet under three Prime Ministers before Churchill. Both of them in my opinion have a contractual relationship rather than a personal relationship.
@@alifridzo1820 Yes, your point is valid although Randolph was jealous of his personal relationship with his father. Eden knew Churchill from the start of his career in early Twenties and for much of that time Winston was generally seen as a washed up has been. Eden always makes me think of the line about Herbert Hoover - "He had such a brilliant resume and then he had to spoil it by becoming president."
The comment about the pills rattling around inside of Eden was superb. I cannot wait to use that line on some relatives one day.
Brooooooo 💀💀💀
😂
@@grantwilliams2650
It won't go over well.
Just rewatched this today. So hilarious when Churchill threw away the health paper lol
Jeremy Northam did a fantastic job playing Eden.
Whatever happened to him though? After this series he becomes inactive.
Lithgow hands down is the best Churchill, because he captures the personality.
Oh yes.
I didn't know Churchill could Roast .
"Stalin said the same, he died grovelling on the floor"
🤣🤣🤣
These lines... could be a jhon grisham novel if he wasn't in into law.
Oh Churchill could roast all right.
On Ramsay Macdonald: "A sheep in sheep's clothing."
His nemesis Lady Astor: "If you were my husband I'd put poison in your tea."
Winston: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."
When told that his political opponent Clement Attlee is a modest man: "He's got a lot to be modest about."
Bessie Braddock: “Winston, you are drunk.“
Winston: “My dear, you are ugly, but tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be ugly.“
Oh yeah, Churchill’s wit was legendary as the previous comment shows. One of my favourites was when he was on the toilet and one of his aides told him he was late for a meeting. He replied, “I can only deal with one shit at a time.”
I saw the thumbnail and thought it was Kingpin
Recommend looking at the title next time lol however I can see why you made the mistake
I doubt they ever spoke to each other like this. Churchill was very aware that Eden had lost a lot -- Eden's son had been killed in the war. Churchill rarely ever spoke up in anger against his key allies; especially if those allies were emotionally damaged by public service and for literally sacrificing members of their family to defend the country. Churchill had far too much respect for Eden to shout at him or to make fun of him. However, Churchill didn't want to give way mostly because he knew Eden was both 1) a drug addict 2) too bereaved with the loss of his son to be an effective leader. Churchill wanted others to take over the leadership... but none of the candidates were wiling to stand up to Eden who was, in the public's view, 1) a hero for standing up against Nazism 2) had lost his son during the war 3) the news about his surgeries had been hidden from the public 4) was considered "young" and well educated... sadly... Eden was not that great of a leader upon becoming Prime Minister because 1) he was arrogant (ex. when he went to Egypt he spoke in classical Arabic that barely anyone could understand and began lecturing Egyptians on the right form of government) 2) ignored every piece of useful advice given to him by his key advisors 3) was hell-bent on taking out Nasser and ignored any dialogue with the Americans about it... anyway... Eden is a complicated figure, but although one of the worst Prime Ministers the UK had (probably ranking up there with Cameron) he was certainly a very interesting figure who history should treat with sympathy.
up there with cameron? lol
Sorry, but this just made me laugh.
Nobody is worse than Cameron, with the possible exceptions of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss - but they merely tried to build on the cracked foundation Cameron left them. The Brexit Referendum was single worst decision made by any prime minister since the Act of Union created the United Kingdom in 1707.
Better than Churchill
Cameron?
as Bad as the Man was , he was the first PM since thatcher that stopped betraying the country and gave us an actual vote on EU membership
and until the next PM helps starts an oil war and kills over 700,000 people in the process the worst PM EVER will be Blair, followed closely by Brown , that tried to force through 28 day detention without charge(stopped only by the Lords - the Shame)
The blocking in this scene is fantastic. For about 45 seconds, Eden and Churchill are framed together in a wide shot, suggesting that Eden is trying to maintain cordiality and coolness between him and his father-figure and mentor. Eden talks down on Churchill, scrunched up and looking frail on the couch.
Then Eden blows up at Churchill, which leads to an exchange of close-ups, now that the gloves are off and both are being honest. The scene finally ends with Churchill standing up literally and metaphorically to Eden, and by throwing Eden's papers onto the floor and yelling at Eden, bookends the scene with the same kind of admonishment that began the conflict. So good!
Was this show's depiction of Eden accurate? Like how he showed up to a meeting with the Americans completely drugged up on barbiturates? I understand the show is fiction, of course, but I'm always unclear how much is invented for the sake of drama. It's hard to imagine any leader showing up to a formal diplomatic meeting completely strung out.
It could be true. Eden had a myriad of health issues at the time, though once out of office he seemed to recover
Yes it did show that, you see Eden pressuring his aide on the plane to administer drugs. It then cuts to him overdosed sleeping in a chair in front of the Americans with one asking if that’s blood as it was appearing through his white shirt on his arm . They then remarked how sad it was how Britain and its leaders are a shadow of who they were prior to the war.
Eden had terrible health issues then (lousy timing) and amphetamines and barbiturates were seen as relatively harmless medicines and prescribed like Tylenol in those days.
@@mikegalvin9801 from my understanding he got addicted to pain medication because he was in constant pain after a botched galbladder surgery
Kinda feel sorry for the guy tbh but it was worrying to discover we had the prime minister suffering from strokes and the foreign secretary both not being fit to lead the country
Boris Yeltsin was regularly off his tits in formal diplomatic meetings
It was Jeremy who made me curious about Anthony Eden..what a beautiful man❤
And Jeremy was perfect here
Anthony Eden is being played with definite Michael Palin energy by Jeremy Northam
The older I grow, the more I realize that health is really the #1, #2 and #3 most important thing in your life. This body needs to be in good shape for everything else that happens in life. It's funny that these two great statesmen went to the lowest common denominator between them in terms of competition--who is the healthier one. LOL.
Worse than present day governance in Ireland... powersharing 😂 couldn't share a bag of chips at dinner break, therefore they render themselves obsolete as governors.
Brilliant stuff. Great writing and acting.
This scene seemed so hilarious but so tragic.
I sympathize with Churchill and Eden both great leaders
Erm am I watching the Crown or is this a live feed to Boris Johnsons home with a Tory MP standing up to hi- oh wait no that can’t be right they back him 100% regardless of all that and more. Carry on!
40 ministers later....
Suez was the original Neoconservative / Blairite exploitation of the "Munich analogy" (although the Americans were the prudent ones in 1956). Apart from that, Eden was also responsible for several other disasters in his two years in power, from Cyprus to Yemen. And in fact, the original Munich might have worked if Chamberlain had agreed to involve the Soviets. He didn't, leading to the Nazi-Soviet division of Eastern Europe.
How exactly would the Soviets have been involved? What would Chamberlain have offered them? WW2 is Chamberlains fault?
@@janandersen8735 Stalin repeatedly offered to both the British and the French a military alliance against Hitler, and both ignored him, then he turned to Hitler. Stalin of course was...Stalin, but ignoring the elephant in the room never works. But my original point was about Suez. Neoconservatives never learn. Afghanistan, Iraq, now Ukraine, tomorrow Russia or China...
@@giannb5145 The one where Stalin gets to put a million soldiers in Poland? That would have worked. Except for Poland. As for the Suez crisis, it had a lot more to do with the last vestiges of colonialism and and anger at Nasser than Neocons.
That is, uh, an interesting take on history.
Stalin could not be trusted
either before, during or
after WW2.
Lithgow's range is impressive as ever, this is quite the far cry from M Butterfly.
Which makes two of us😅
Churchill was like an old actor that refused to leave the stage after the applause stopped. They have to be dragged off.
The problem is when you know your understudy is much worse and will sink the production
what episode and season is this?
dedicated to President Biden.
leo...♨️💥
Kingpin
What season and episode is this?
I am not British but I find this very funny
What season and episode is this
According to Andrew Roberts in A History of the English Speaking Peoples, Eden’s drug addiction is more myth than reality and that, according to his doctor’s notes, he was never actually addicted to them.
Is it me or this is actually a funny scene?
Maybe it's me but i can't take this scene seriously i can't stop laughing
What's funny about it?
@@michaeldandrea540 the man who is savid to have won the battle of britain saying to his protege , that when he walks one can hear the pills rattle in his body
Too Britishness here
Hilarious Arguement ive ever seen
RUBBISH!
Churchill was in bad physical shape (illness, age) But Anthony Eden was *not* a young man (he had served in WW1) and the picture of good health!
Two old men arguing who is less well
😭 why they gotta do my boi Stalin bad 😂
This is hammy nonsense. These men were British aristocrats. They would never have caterwauled at each other like this, no matter how much they might have disliked each other.
Churchill famously exposed himself to people without their consent. He’d sometimes be completely naked when people walked into his rooms or offices. How aristocratic is that?
@@Lamporre - He "famously exposed himself" on a regular basis, huh? "Without their CONSENT"?? HORRORS. You actually mean HE DIDN'T ASK THEM before showing off his Willy??
Yes, I've read the story of how Churchill paraded himself, starkers, in front of the entire infantry and tank regiments assembled for his inspection in North Africa in 1943. He is rumoured to have been treated for severe genital sunburn afterward. All suppressed by staff officers with threats of courts martial, of course.
You are a dope and need to get a life.
0:01 to 0:15 if only a certain someone knew this right now
You know as a Traditional Socialist and Left Wing Nationalist/Patriot I have to say Anthony Eden was one of our BEST PMs despite what critics say:
for these reasons:
A. Had the lowest workforce unemployment rate of the post-war (below 1% of workforce).
B. Has the third lowest tax burden of any PM.
C. Finished the work of Churchill by finally removing the last traces of government ID cards.
D. The Suez crisis, without me rambling on basically the British, French and Israel forces were fighting the Nationalisation of the Suez cannel which would have disastrous effects on European oil trade and threatened a new Arab Alliance. We actually won the won and it was military victory but the evil globalist USA intervened and force us and the French to withdraw, which resulted in the downfall of Eden’s and the very good French PM, a true patriotic socialist (I’m an Auth left or Old Labour person), Guy Mollet.
E. Won the 1955 election with a 60 seat majority, the largest of 90 years
F. Successful Lassie-Faire government allocating ministers to focus on there strengths (like Rab Butler).
G. Was technically the first Eurosceptic PM, wether intentionally or not, leaving out of entering the EEC founding talks which spared us about 17 years of freedom (till Ted Heath decided to change that). Which to me this issue is a big one being a Leaver.
Eden definitely is in my top 5 PMs.
As a kid and teenager i used to like churchill.
But later i read many more of other stuff he did.
Man he would be the ultimate brexiteer
Good
@@jcaliberty8288 Agree.
Brexit has bring so much lessons to those british that believe too much that stupid song of "rule britannia"
It was such a different time it's hard to say. It may surprise a lot of people nowadays who know of Churchill as a staunch British nationalist and passionate backer of the Empire, that he also felt strong ties to the Continent. During WW2, to help prop up France as it was collapsing, he proposed that the UK and France actually merge. After the war, he was a strong backer of European unity, including with the UK firmly and completely enmeshed in it.
@@sanhcman666shut up
Irony that Eden was a disaster of a PM