@@UceMacntosh Yeah, probably an Upstater thing. I was told growing up that Sureños were more into Mexican culture & Norteños were mostly Chicano or mixed, not always true.
Truth is, Northerners in the 408 used to have "rat tails" in the late 80's early 90's. We used to call them "duck tales". The mullets were in too. Except Raza rocked them with that gangsta style. Then we'd cut the mullet and leave the tail. I had one in 8th grade in 1990-91.
Couple of the homies had the rat tail, we called it "la trensita".. Word came down and it was a varrio law. "No more trensas, No copetes, No Slick Backs, No Fades, Bald Heads ONLY"
Great video LISTO 👍 Everything you said in this video is right on point too. Back in the day the NORTEÑOS started calling it a rattail to diss the SUREÑOS because they used to call all SUREÑOS sewer rats, & if a NORTEÑO had one they called it a ducktail 🤷🤦 and yes ACITO & YOUNG IGGZ both rock the tails too👍 & yes, YOUNG IGGZ is from MODESTO his dad is from the same hood as BEAN & MR 209 his dad is one of BEAN & MR 209's tightest homeboys they all grew up together & they all used to live by each other back in the day too
I moved up to the Bay Area from LA for work in 2002. I kicked it with Clanton in San Jo. I recall seeing the homies wearing Sharks jerseys and hats especially the homeboy Sharky. I remember a homie getting verbally checked for wearing a Niners jersey while meeting up on Santa Clara cruising. I remember bald heads and fades no duck tails. The homie Payaso had long hair he was originally from Clanton in Los but started Clanton in San Jo. I seen a lot of homies from down south with duck tails in the early 90s. I even seen a Sureno with a Mongolian. Droopy from San Juan got checked for having that Mongolian lol
I always fw raiders and lakers shit I still be wearing it today 💯 but I hope that one day everyone can get along in the streets bc honestly the establishment is everyone’s enemy hating someone u don’t know based on the color of their shirt etc is such a waste fr
@@UpstatePOVnetaa, up here in Oregon it’s ESTABLISHED that the SUR has been rocking the tails here, and without being bias in Ontario there’s no norteno hoods, and if they are any nortenos here they rock all black trying to to fit in with 18st.
@@UpstatePOV LISTO, yes YOUNG IGGZ is from MODESTO his dad is one of BEAN's & MR 209's tightest homeboys, YOUNG IGGZ dad is from BEAN's & MR 209's hood
@@e.b.kfamily1418 oh dang now I finally know why they used to call you PONY 🐴🐎 lolz I thought it was because back in the day you used to give your homeboys pony back rides in the park 😂😆😅🤣😂😆😅🤣😂😆😅🤣 j/k CONEJO I'm just messing with you my BOII lolz 🤣😅😆😂🤣😅😆😂
Good spill homie, the rat tail was called a duck tail and the homies were rocking it tough. Eye busters were very common to identify from tattoos to hair styles, the homies would shave there head or rock the duck tail vs. Nortenos with slick back hair and Mongolians. Mongolian was placed in the upper part of the dome as Identifying as a warrior and placed geographically in the Northern part the head and the homies would rock the duck tail to symbolize it as down south since the tail was placed south of the dome vs. Mongolian upper part or Northern of the dome. I'm talking mid to late 80s and 90s.
Some homies would wear both the bald head and the duck tail at once, some would slick their hair back too, difference for nortenos they usually cut their hair like a mushroom when slicked back and nortenos also do a high fade with their mongolian tails
lets be honest the sharks logo / shark in general is a san jonero/northener thing surenos just use it to fit in in san jo because any where you go people recognize the shark as a san jo thing. and as for hair styles its the same you see surenos rockin mongols to blend in. gotta do what you need to coexist .
Back in the day I remember the surenos had bald heads or the copete. Nortenos always had either slick back hair or long hair but nowadays they all dress the same 😂 you can’t tell who is who
Nortenos 🇲🇽🔴 had all types of tails back in the day. Big Tone still has his. Back in the late 90s and 2000s most of the homeboys slicked their hair back with thres flores or gel. Or they would grow a pony tail. Lots wore wave caps too. The homeboys started dressing modern with Girbuards, bagging Jeans, Tall Tees, Rosaries, red belts or rags, Fitted Caps, and some with gold grills in the East Bay. The shoes were Cortez, Chucks, and Jordans. The homeboys would drive scrapers with subwoofers too. ua-cam.com/video/G5IEEq_NSWE/v-deo.html
Yes u r right on the tails early90s the homies from down south started cutting off there long hair we had long hair before to and tails good one carnal
I don’t get it ,I thought the whole gang war was about the Southern California city boys against the northern California farmers now you have upstaters wearing blue and Bangin 13 in northern California the same farm cities and a lot of them have the Mexican black culture like Oakland California San Francisco San Jose which is supposedly what the Southern California Vatos Hated about the northerners! The eme had both members from the north and south and the NF too so what’s the gig 🤔
Ask about them boy from west side Eden Av. and how they started multiple movements for SJ how they the most hated part of the city. A lot of solid individuals from there that don’t gangbang but hold down they own. ❤
The rat tail on the bottom ain’t no buster thing I seen many upstaters back in middle have that the busters had the other one on top that look like hair back with the tail zero on the side I myself had the patch but never grew it long
In long beach the insane crips rock raiders while the mexican gang the longos rock the raiders too and both wear red its pretty weird cuz both of them are beefin
Ns starting using Mongolians Ducktails native American tails in thr pinta to identify in the state prison system and vatos brought that style to the calles but only vatos who earned could have em in Chicago they call em shags
Yump mongols are what we have NORTE , and Pelons and rat tails are SUR , but don't get it twisted back n the days Nortenos rock the tails with the mongols and the same time . Plus back when kid frost came out back n the late 80s early 90s his first video LA RAZA everyone in that video was rocking slick back hair with the tail or even long hair . The pelon look didn't start till American me was out .
Bulldogs are using it more than any gang in cali that I’ve seen, in Texas the Mexican bloods in Austin have been wearing it heavily for years, that one guy woodie even had a curly one lol
Bru remeber rocking the rat tail in 1989-1991. Now straight up pelon. It is what it is. Pero homies back then we used to rock them so aint hating on the homies for that. They actually said sewer-rats to homies cause they are surenos like sur pero with rat tails. Anyways just my opinion. Now a days both sides be pelones and both sides have long hair. At the end of the day we are all raza. I comprehend all the shit both sides are dealling with. Pero we are all Raza so Raza should be united as one. Like some foos have told me. In la pinta if they fuck with one bean they fuck with the whole burrito. Ask yourself how many beans are in one burrito. Short answer hella. Pera raza should unite and be as one. Once again thats just my point of view
Whether you wanna call me ups state sureños or just sureños from norther California. Respects to them but there’s no way you gonna tell me they didn’t get influenced by the norteños Mongolian. That’s Jaír style is Norte as fuck in Northern California
Cada quien con su tal cual Mongolia's or pelones surenos or them bbs latin kings bulldogs we are all frijoless mis paisanos you guys like or not at the end we are just numbers for them 🦈 sanjo en la casa :. And we know who run the yardsss
I grew up on West San Jose. I remembered seeing 18st members with Mongolians and members from Pomona 12st had shark tattoos and clothing with sharks logo. I am talking about 1988.SSP was made up with 18st, Florencia, Echo park and Hazard members.
I wouldn’t say homies from the west were the first but there was a time in the late 90’s were it became mainstream. Specially dudes that were born in the city started going hard on the gear including myself . I do remember grifo was one of the first to get the sharks logo blasted on his head, but grifo was from east side . This was a years before getting jumped out and killed a short time after . When did the rat tail get prohibited ? I never heard of this and I had one for several years in my youth . S
@@UpstatePOV Yah at the time he got jumped in Esc was still on the west . grifo always banged the east side though as that’s were he grew up and lived majority of his life .
blood acting like he don’t know who Acito is😂
How do you figure? I literally said his name i just dont know how to pronounce it dont cry for him g 😂😂
I was always told growing up that Norteños had long hair / Mongolians & Sureños had bald heads / rat tails.
Yeah same here G
Not true😂 Sureńos had bald heads or slickbacks
Maybe up norf but surenos aint known for rat tails down south
@@UceMacntosh Yeah, probably an Upstater thing. I was told growing up that Sureños were more into Mexican culture & Norteños were mostly Chicano or mixed, not always true.
@@frasiercraine1776 more like the morenos not mexico
Truth is, Northerners in the 408 used to have "rat tails" in the late 80's early 90's. We used to call them "duck tales". The mullets were in too. Except Raza rocked them with that gangsta style. Then we'd cut the mullet and leave the tail. I had one in 8th grade in 1990-91.
They called bar tails not mullets and yea duck tails….rat tails are skinnier than duck tails
Straight up, Gabriel 💯.... I used to rock a "duck tail" as well in the early 90s, tambien!
Duck tails that’s right 😂
@@brodiebro6622 it’s always been called a Shag not a bar tail lol an Duck tails in frisco415 atleast…. Yo name sound familiar u from Pittsburg?
Yup & frisco northerners had long cornrow hair or a fade
Couple of the homies had the rat tail, we called it "la trensita"..
Word came down and it was a varrio law.
"No more trensas, No copetes, No Slick Backs, No Fades,
Bald Heads ONLY"
Great video LISTO 👍 Everything you said in this video is right on point too. Back in the day the NORTEÑOS started calling it a rattail to diss the SUREÑOS because they used to call all SUREÑOS sewer rats, & if a NORTEÑO had one they called it a ducktail 🤷🤦 and yes ACITO & YOUNG IGGZ both rock the tails too👍 & yes, YOUNG IGGZ is from MODESTO his dad is from the same hood as BEAN & MR 209 his dad is one of BEAN & MR 209's tightest homeboys they all grew up together & they all used to live by each other back in the day too
I moved up to the Bay Area from LA for work in 2002. I kicked it with Clanton in San Jo. I recall seeing the homies wearing Sharks jerseys and hats especially the homeboy Sharky. I remember a homie getting verbally checked for wearing a Niners jersey while meeting up on Santa Clara cruising. I remember bald heads and fades no duck tails. The homie Payaso had long hair he was originally from Clanton in Los but started Clanton in San Jo. I seen a lot of homies from down south with duck tails in the early 90s. I even seen a Sureno with a Mongolian. Droopy from San Juan got checked for having that Mongolian lol
Simon the homies from clanton started to wear sharks apparel before any of the homies, Cyco Blue Grifo and shyboy
You forgot the Ricky Martin bald head and bangs on the front 😂 always seen them around at the flea market in north San Jo
Party crews and taggers in SJ use to also have the bangs.... I had that same cut in Jr. High around 93 - 94, it was the style here in San Jo
I think a lot of them Bally dudes been rocking it now
At the end he’s either talking about Big Tone w the bar tail or Iggz with his westside tail
I always fw raiders and lakers shit I still be wearing it today 💯 but I hope that one day everyone can get along in the streets bc honestly the establishment is everyone’s enemy hating someone u don’t know based on the color of their shirt etc is such a waste fr
You hit the nail on the head my boy 💯✊🏼
Scraps just trying to fit In with their busted ass tails
Oh word 👀
Don't y'all try to claim it 😂
They wanna be NORTEÑOS SO BAD TAKING THE HAIR STYLE AND DRESSING LIKE THEM 😅😂
All yall were some fake net bangers either way
I don’t recall anyone from down south calling them rat tails my boy. Lol 😂
@ BIGMOUSE12, nobody down south ever called it a rattail, the NORTEÑOS started calling it a rattail to diss the SUREÑOS to tell the truth 🤷
They trying to blend 😂
@@famecorona84 yall do the same 💀😂
@@UpstatePOVnetaa, up here in Oregon it’s ESTABLISHED that the SUR has been rocking the tails here, and without being bias in Ontario there’s no norteno hoods, and if they are any nortenos here they rock all black trying to to fit in with 18st.
You pretty much got it on locked ma boy and I think that rapper is young igs de Modesto
There you go thats the name G
@@UpstatePOV LISTO, yes YOUNG IGGZ is from MODESTO his dad is one of BEAN's & MR 209's tightest homeboys, YOUNG IGGZ dad is from BEAN's & MR 209's hood
Fuck rat tails are making a comeback? Lol my nephews had em mid 2000s
Haha yeah they are bro its crazy to see especially when they combine it with the takuache hair cut
@ SHADOW PITT, hi my favorite SUREÑO 👋🤝🙏🤗
The homies wearing earthquake's gear 😂😂😂
Why not ese it's blue 🔵 and a lot homies love soccer G I kno wen I did time lots of homies were badass at soccer few northerners to
In late 80s and early 90s in Salinas sureños had rat tails ... I had one in the early 90s
Ay my boy I had one of those tails along time ago that's why they would call me pony
Haha whaaat so thats why they call you pony boy
@@UpstatePOV Simon
@@e.b.kfamily1418 oh dang now I finally know why they used to call you PONY 🐴🐎 lolz I thought it was because back in the day you used to give your homeboys pony back rides in the park 😂😆😅🤣😂😆😅🤣😂😆😅🤣 j/k CONEJO I'm just messing with you my BOII lolz 🤣😅😆😂🤣😅😆😂
In the Bay cats had tails...Called them duck tail...not rat tails...This in the 80s...early nineties
Quick question, why were norteños called estrellas ? Never knew the real reason why
In Concord to the rat tails only surenos had N out here the homeboys didn't rock the mongols but they rocked the duck tails
Thats right G
Concord dead no chaps💪
@@calilifethang3500I need to go there with my niner gear 💪🏾🩸
Donald Ave $outhHayward been stuntin ducktales since the 90s Errrraaay
Good spill homie, the rat tail was called a duck tail and the homies were rocking it tough. Eye busters were very common to identify from tattoos to hair styles, the homies would shave there head or rock the duck tail vs. Nortenos with slick back hair and Mongolians. Mongolian was placed in the upper part of the dome as Identifying as a warrior and placed geographically in the Northern part the head and the homies would rock the duck tail to symbolize it as down south since the tail was placed south of the dome vs. Mongolian upper part or Northern of the dome. I'm talking mid to late 80s and 90s.
Some homies would wear both the bald head and the duck tail at once, some would slick their hair back too, difference for nortenos they usually cut their hair like a mushroom when slicked back and nortenos also do a high fade with their mongolian tails
lets be honest the sharks logo / shark in general is a san jonero/northener thing surenos just use it to fit in in san jo because any where you go people recognize the shark as a san jo thing. and as for hair styles its the same you see surenos rockin mongols to blend in. gotta do what you need to coexist .
Hell nah, maybe the haircut is true but the shark is just to represent the city
The scraps when I was growing up had bangs with bald heads and us nortes had skin fades Mongolians and a few rat tails hahaha
Back in the day I remember the surenos had bald heads or the copete. Nortenos always had either slick back hair or long hair but nowadays they all dress the same 😂 you can’t tell who is who
You’re right bro i hella forgot to mention the copete 😂🤦🏻♂️
@@UpstatePOV nah bro don't do it 😄😄😄
In the valley we been rocking all type of tails carnal I'm a N from Merced
Big Tone got the tail
It’s called the bar tail 😂
They stay biting northern style
People definitely had the tail in l.a my dad had it for a while until he came home one time with a shaved head and his homie had a real long one
Sending mines G💪🏽
Likewise my comptonero ✊🏼💯
Nortenos 🇲🇽🔴 had all types of tails back in the day. Big Tone still has his. Back in the late 90s and 2000s most of the homeboys slicked their hair back with thres flores or gel. Or they would grow a pony tail. Lots wore wave caps too.
The homeboys started dressing modern with Girbuards, bagging Jeans, Tall Tees, Rosaries, red belts or rags, Fitted Caps, and some with gold grills in the East Bay. The shoes were Cortez, Chucks, and Jordans.
The homeboys would drive scrapers with subwoofers too. ua-cam.com/video/G5IEEq_NSWE/v-deo.html
Johnny B Hairgel
Its all kids games with deadly consequences.
Straight up my boy
We been rocking rat tails here in Los Angeles it just kind of died out in the late 90’s everyone started coming out of prison bald headed
Sure buddy full of shit 😂
Not sure we let the northerns dictate our styles . We had our own style .
Now they wear the SJ earthquake soccer Jersey 🤣😂🤣
I see alot of nortenos rocking the Chicago shag haircut now
That's a North Dallas haircut
Lower by the neck tail is a brown pride cut.
Growing up in LA in the early 90s a lot of homies had the lil tail he was a style for a minute. I think they called them duck tails
Yeah g both names applied rat tail and duck tails
Not the way Nor Cal cats rock em…especially not duck tails aka bar tails
@@UpstatePOVduck tale is from left to right side long wide tale scraps stunt rat tail lil ass tail it's a diffrence 🐁 🦆
Yes u r right on the tails early90s the homies from down south started cutting off there long hair we had long hair before to and tails good one carnal
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I send mines ✊🏼
Wassup homie sum of my homies got pony tails or mullets or bald head Yeye
Simon the styles are coming back G
On da likes up I'm #26👍😁👊 ...
Appreciate it my G
Lil chihuahuas. Ankle biters lmao
Over here in west side modesto they are not called rat tails they are called west side tails
I don’t get it ,I thought the whole gang war was about the Southern California city boys against the northern California farmers now you have upstaters wearing blue and Bangin 13 in northern California the same farm cities and a lot of them have the Mexican black culture like Oakland California San Francisco San Jose which is supposedly what the Southern California Vatos Hated about the northerners! The eme had both members from the north and south and the NF too so what’s the gig 🤔
would rock a rat tail as a peewee
Thats right G
they were not rat tails,we always call them duck tails
Rat tail from upstate sureños 916 growing up is Sureño game
Ask about them boy from west side Eden Av. and how they started multiple movements for SJ how they the most hated part of the city. A lot of solid individuals from there that don’t gangbang but hold down they own. ❤
Different tails now ah days you got rat tails bar tails an duck tails
The rat tail on the bottom ain’t no buster thing I seen many upstaters back in middle have that the busters had the other one on top that look like hair back with the tail zero on the side I myself had the patch but never grew it long
In long beach the insane crips rock raiders while the mexican gang the longos rock the raiders too and both wear red its pretty weird cuz both of them are beefin
What the intro beat?
didnt know they had a hockey team
The southsiders in the valley just walls bang rsl
False rat tails started in frisco bro
But I did have it because of my pops
There’s bar tails, duck tails and rat tails…. All different and yes surenos wear rat tails Nortenos always rocked bar tails and duck tails
95% of NORTENOs don't know Spanish or who is Carlos y Jose..
Ns starting using Mongolians Ducktails native American tails in thr pinta to identify in the state prison system and vatos brought that style to the calles but only vatos who earned could have em in Chicago they call em shags
Norteños In San Jo call it a Mongolian
Shout out to the homies in San Jo every homie I did federal time with from San Jo was solid
Yump mongols are what we have NORTE , and Pelons and rat tails are SUR , but don't get it twisted back n the days Nortenos rock the tails with the mongols and the same time . Plus back when kid frost came out back n the late 80s early 90s his first video LA RAZA everyone in that video was rocking slick back hair with the tail or even long hair . The pelon look didn't start till American me was out .
Sureños had bangs didn’t really see them rock tat tails
Bulldogs are using it more than any gang in cali that I’ve seen, in Texas the Mexican bloods in Austin have been wearing it heavily for years, that one guy woodie even had a curly one lol
My generation is real this generation is dead
Iam from Washington growing up we had duck tails early 2000s and late 90s but the nortenos started rocking them so we just stuck with bald heads
Bru remeber rocking the rat tail in 1989-1991. Now straight up pelon. It is what it is. Pero homies back then we used to rock them so aint hating on the homies for that. They actually said sewer-rats to homies cause they are surenos like sur pero with rat tails. Anyways just my opinion. Now a days both sides be pelones and both sides have long hair. At the end of the day we are all raza. I comprehend all the shit both sides are dealling with. Pero we are all Raza so Raza should be united as one. Like some foos have told me. In la pinta if they fuck with one bean they fuck with the whole burrito. Ask yourself how many beans are in one burrito. Short answer hella. Pera raza should unite and be as one. Once again thats just my point of view
Whether you wanna call me ups state sureños or just sureños from norther California. Respects to them but there’s no way you gonna tell me they didn’t get influenced by the norteños Mongolian. That’s Jaír style is Norte as fuck in Northern California
S/0 to the homies from malos from Watson to San jo active kanpolneros
There is no Sureño hoods in Watson yall from pobre thats in pajaro don't claim the town not even msl from Watson get your facts straight Esa
@@getminesallday24 pobre en la casa watsonville varrio pobre banging on y'all buster back yard go pick up y'all homies shatter stars
No chale it was pocoway y las ponytails
Cada quien con su tal cual Mongolia's or pelones surenos or them bbs latin kings bulldogs we are all frijoless mis paisanos you guys like or not at the end we are just numbers for them 🦈 sanjo en la casa :. And we know who run the yardsss
You ever witness Norteños with bald heads?
Definitely, in San Jose a lot of older nortenos are bald, with the younger N’s its rare though
@@UpstatePOV Simon, growing up as a Norteño all my Tios were bald headed. Always had that Chicano stilo to them which I highly admired. 🙌🏽
I grew up on West San Jose. I remembered seeing 18st members with Mongolians and members from Pomona 12st had shark tattoos and clothing with sharks logo. I am talking about 1988.SSP was made up with 18st, Florencia, Echo park and Hazard members.
Foo dont even know woodie skraps never had long hair ur tweakin
Do a video on the border brothers
Vst represents Sanjo. Period
Shout out to the Malos and Intrusos 💯✊🏼
VST Malos WSSJ 13 fuck chapetes
Saying fuck norte yet bangin san jo and blastin sur on you dam well you ain been there???😂😂😂 no mames thats a buster!
I wouldn’t say homies from the west were the first but there was a time in the late 90’s were it became mainstream. Specially dudes that were born in the city started going hard on the gear including myself . I do remember grifo was one of the first to get the sharks logo blasted on his head, but grifo was from east side .
This was a years before getting jumped out and killed a short time after .
When did the rat tail get prohibited ? I never heard of this and I had one for several years in my youth .
S
Yes grifo was from east side clanton, but east side clanton was on the west side back in the days it wasnt West side clanton yet
@@UpstatePOV Yah at the time he got jumped in Esc was still on the west . grifo always banged the east side though as that’s were he grew up and lived majority of his life .
Fresno traian las rat tells
Eyy carnal dispensa enla tira you never been to prison huh ican tell
Never G, you havent either huh? I can tell
@@UpstatePOV😂😂😂
@@sanjoblanko4086 😂😂😂
@@UpstatePOV lol thanks for the reply. 🤣 dont get mad sissy
@@calilifethang3500 i didnt get mad its a joke homegirl 😂
96 ubo pedo en en condado milpas
I’ve seen this one dude with a San Jose shark eating the huelga bird..
i have a duck tail nd im a norteño🤣