The Most Powerful Porsche Ever - Taycan Turbo GT - A Lineup Leveled Up
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2024
- Porsche Has Completely Leveled Up Their Electric Cars - Taycan Turbo GT
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Bad news for Porsche Taycan owners: their electric car technology is evolving fast. The latest generation of Taycan is here, and the lineup is better in nearly every single way. More battery, greater efficiency, less weight, more performance.
The peak of the EV performance sedan pyramid has three contenders, the Model S Plaid, the Lucid Air Sapphire, and Porsche’s latest addition to the mix - the Taycan Turbo GT, which seeks to be the track king. And with the newest generation of the Taycan, Porsche really has leveled up their EV game, with a concerted effort towards pushing the boundaries that’s refreshing to see from a legacy automaker.
We're going to deep dive into four key aspects of the new Taycan:
1. The battery.
2. The charging.
3. The powertrain.
4. The suspension.
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Cant believe i'm saying this but nice seamless and entertaining plug.
@EngineeringExplained I can't help but notice that this performance level seems to be dependant on cobalt. Do you have any qualms about where it might be sourced? Could the hefty price include a clean documented source?
They don't ship to Europe, only US and Canada.
You couldn't pay me to give money to Musk.
@@brianmurphy9322bro you're a redditor, no one cares.
I don't see anything wrong with flooding the market with used first gen taycans.
Yeah they're kinda crap anyways. I hope no-one buys them 👀
@@mmmbetter55crap? You haven't been in one then. Also didn't the gen 1 Porsche and the audi gt introduce 800v architecture? Pretty crucial advances for the industry, hard to imagine in 5.yeara time all EVs will be on 800v architecture
@@brandonkylemarks I think he's making a joke, hoping to pick one up cheaply!
@@brandonkylemarkspretty sure it was meant to be a sarcastic comment ;)
there's deadass more taycans than id.4s on sale on the most popular german used car website. like 1700 vs 1000
That suspension footage is crazy.
It's nuts!
@IrocZIV Funny thing... a Chinese EV maker has had this tech for a while.
@@tonespeaks even funnier thing... they decided make their car look like a clown with this tech. with all the dancing and turning. they even fake one of the promo video. 😂
Even crazier, Citroën used this type of suspension (granted, non-electronic and not as evolved) in production cars from the mid 50s onward.
@@tonyhall06 Even funnier yet. This tech (active air suspensions) has been there for decades. It just hasn't been implemented to a degree of perfection such as this ever.
2.2 seconds slower on the Nurburgring than a rimac nevera with 900 more hp and keeping up with a non street legal production plaid? 😨 that’s insane
That car is going to age so poorly. Unless they update it with software heavily, it's going to be a joke compared to an electric supercar from whatever the current year is, but even then software can only get you so far.
Rimac literally cooked its tyres as their attempt took place on a day when it was +30°C. They were able to utilize the extra power only a few % of the time.
Bonkers quick!
The improvements in EVs just over the last 10 years are insane. The ICE age is over.
@@therabidsquirrelsage3388ofc because no one's regulating them. ICE development is severely hindered by emission and noise regulations.
Porsche saw the Plaid, took out their other hand from behind their back, and made this. God this company is fantastic.
That's what I thought too. The first gen models got absolutely slapped when plaid launched, and then lucid made it even more obsolete.
I agree 👍🏾
As a Tesla fanboy, I really have to tip my hat at Porsche for really pushing the game forward
The Tesla plaid was a huge breakthrough in performance Evs, and because of it the competition increases and we now get these amasing cars from Porsche.
Given their wealth of experience and manufacturing, I always expect legacy brands to surpass the new companies when they finally decided to really build EVs. It's great that companies like Tesla have pushed them to do so and should be good for us as good EV from all companies become more attainable.
This car is a marvel of modern engineering. Incredible.
Hate Porsche. They improve way too quickly. Now I feel bad about my old Porsche. Never gonna buy Porsche again!
*Modern electronics
They’re finally catching up with Tesla. People are finally starting to see why we’ve all been impressed with Tesla’s engineering over the years.
Glad to see that all that money porche spends on buying Teslas trade secrets is paying off
lol I see no marvel engineering here. Relying on a gear to shift (clunk) for a higher speed is not marvelous. Carbon-wrapped electric motor that spins to infinity, now that’s a marvel. After seeing tesla can do with less, Can’t wait for a tesla sports car with the same price as the TyCan’t. 😙😙
@@koshmary112 Tesla motors are insane, thats true. Imagine if they matched that with Porsches insane suspension and battery infrastructure
That's CRAZY! My mind is completely blown! I don't think I've ever heard of a facelift which had such a huge improvement! This is like 2 generation worth of updates. Well done, Porsche! And EPIC video Jason! Loved it! ❤
That’s what happens when you’re at an immature stage of a technology/product.
ICE cars are more incremental because they have been incrementing for over 100 years already.
Things like computers, smartphone and TVs also used to get noticeably better with each iteration but they’re so good and the current tech is so mature that now if you wait a few generations the difference is still not that much for real world usage.
@@pieflies Exactly. Porsche installed a 15% larger battery that weighs the same. I hope that the next generation will see some weight reduction.
This is just a TASTE of how AI will revolutionize so many industries. Decades of innovation within years.
@@romanovmarkelyon1021its nothing to do with AI. Its all clever human stuff.
@@wizzyno1566 not anymore. What do you think all the clever humans are using to make stuff like this happen? Pen and paper?
Fancy foot work on the pedals my man!
Dude, 15c is basically "never charges at a decreased rate" for about half the US, that's a powerful difference
Yeah, quite cool!
Those diving fins made me spit coffee on my whole screen, thx for that
Shoulda covered your screen in a TuxMat!
The “footwork” had me😂
The engineering on the suspension alone is insane
meh, not "engineering" per se, but applications of control strategies.
A well put together control algorithm is (nearly)indistinguishable from "intelligence", within the scope of "tuning" - - ie. chosen level of complexity. Just don't ask it to write you a badly phrased essay on its future plans.
copied from purosangue
Taycan depreciation about to reach the stratosphere
Let's hope so! 🤞 Those Turismos tho! 👀
And its already rough! You can buy a clean title, 20k miles turbo S for about $85k. Those started at about 190k msrp with no options!
They already have pretty severe depreciation. This car will be the same when the next gen is released. It will become obsolete fairly quick like the computers of today. Electric vehicles are improving immensely every gen.
Not sure about that. Was definitely true when plaid replaced p100d but since then advancement has been super slow
I mean..... I wouldn't say no to a last gen Taycan for 30k.... 👀
Tesla-Stan here. The new Taycan is mind-blowingly impressive. Porche delivers.
Of course at a price 😁.
That’s the point many like to underplay or straight out ignore. When it costs double or triple the price (and that’s just the price to consumer, who knows about the true manufacturing cost), there’s a lot more the company can deliver
As a current Model 3 owner, I agree. The Porsche is an amazing car for those who can afford it!
When you've played around with Porsche's configurator you can see that the tech isn't even that expensive. Porsche sells exclusivity and personalisation. To get the manual bound in the same leather as your seats cost something like 200 bucks. Or to get the keyfob cover in your car's color is a hundred bucks or so. Endless customization options. To get the ADAS package doesn't really cost much more than other manufacturers. It's the leather in fancy colors, with accent stitching and hundreds of color options, materials etc that blows up your pricing.
The price is the rich history behind the brand along with the quality they provide. That should be understood by now
Except it uses cobalt in the batteries something that all car companies should be phasing out.
okay man, i lost it at the swimming flippers hahahaha 5:06
My daily dose of Nerd has been totally satisfied. Thanks you. Will you be doing a video driving the GT?
This is all you'll get from me! (Unless I drive it again at a later date).
thts unacceptable my guy @@EngineeringExplained
@@EngineeringExplained Maybe a 2J1C episode in the future :)
"Goes out and buys a powerball ticket"
I want one so bad
I'm happy to see Porsche improving even their EVs that much and with Great Engineering we know from their non-EV Cars
Andreas Preuninger who is a real Car Enthusiast and the Reason Porsche still creates Cars aimed at the Driver has a lot to say at Porsche and not only the Business People. There are some English Interviews with him, including with Chris Harris at the Porsche Factory i recommend watching
Also it's great to see Legacy Companies catching up and now beating the strictly EV Companies. It took them some Time but they definitely will get even better Year by Year
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
The analysis (with the numbers) makes it really easier to get an idea of the complex yet efficient engineering behind this compared to the Turbo S. Thanks!! 🙌
Thank you for including so much Sport Turismo reel.
2:47 🤤
Turismo looks sooo good! Def would be my pick.
Jap. Love the Sport Turismo look. My dream car 😊
Agreed! That mauve colored one with the matching wheels is oddly appealing.
That segue to the sponser is absolutely brilliant! 😂
The suspension reminds me of that Bose setup on that Lexus years back. This is definitely implemented better. Very cool!
There was never enough released about the Bose one to tell how well it was implemented, but the videos of the Lexus with it from the 1990s looked almost identical to the content here. I suspect the Bose system never caught on because it needed a huge (By the standards of the time) battery. Using the energy taken from the suspension damping to charge the battery would fully close the loop for an electric car.
@@peglor I guess by saying "implemented better", I was just thinking that the suspension on the Porsche will be sold on the car from the factory instead of just being a one-off proof of concept. I agree that the Bose system took a massive amount of energy to work.
Perfect balance of technical details (explained in an easy to understand way), great shots of the car, and humor. Another excellent video, Jason! Keep ‘em comin’!
Wow, the clips of the new active suspension are so impressive! I got to briefly drive a Tycan Turbo S last year and was already completely blown away by its suspension - I thought it couldn't be as perfect as I imagined/heard but it really was (it was the first Porsche I drove and I never experienced a suspension in that league in other cars). Looking at those comparison clips, it feels like the new suspension must be truly surreal! IIRC there is also a setting to allow some body roll as the absence of body roll can feel quite weird? I cannot wait to experience it for myself someday (hopefully).
The new vs old Taycan is a prime example of why you should NEVER buy a new EV. The tech in these cars are advancing at such a monumental rate that the depreciation on any new EV right now will be catastrophic. Lease is the only answer.
Yea, leasing makes a lot more sense. Leaves the carmaker to deal with the value/depreciation of the car AND offers good and cheap used EVs. 1st gen Taycans are still great EVs. Tech wise still better than most mid segment EVs. They're gonna be a steal once the new one rolls out
Really depends on if you buy the expensive luxury cars or the more affordable cars for regular people. For example if you bought a Hyundai Ioniq for 33k€ seven years ago and then drove it 150-200k kilometers it'd still be worth 16.5k€ today.
2018 Leafs hold up pretty well in value too, up to around 55-60% after 6 years.
right. but i have to laugh. it takes a minimum of 3 years to make up for its filthy manufacturing over an ICE car. the exact time 80% of them are traded in for a new one. here in Rhode Island, out electricity comes from natural gas. 97% of it. even barring the EV efficiency argument, this makes little sense!
For most people you are correct, but if you are buying YOUR car and use it for several years (let’s say 6-8 years) you don’t make this comparison.
And there is so often a better option as soon as you make your choice. That is life.
Or just buy to own for 15+ years, then you don't care about intermediate valuations. This is the cheapest way to buy new cars over the long term. It is of course cheaper to never buy a new car, but _someone_ has to otherwise there won't be any secondhand ones.
A drop of 20 degrees according to my calculator😂😂 7:00
Not to brag but I'm fairly decent with a calculator.
@@EngineeringExplained Absolutely, calculations like those are very complicated
@@EngineeringExplained Here for those instructive advanced calculator moments, keep it up and spread the knowledge 👍
6:15 missed the calculation there. Graphic said a change (drop) of 21.5 minutes, but that was the actual previous number, so the change was only minus 3 minutes.
So what you’re saying is, Elon needs to tip that cowboy hat and giddy-up out of Dodge, because there’s a new a sheriff in town, and he eats sauerkraut.
The rumble strip test... holy crap that's insane!!
Wow, this is an insane leap forward. And I thought the cyber truck had some cool Tech. This is another level. And love this video I was able to actually follow most of it without collapsing my brain..
I'm dead.. i laughed so hard at the ski boot and swim flippers
The flip flop vs race shoes analogy really helped for the regen feel, if I had my eyes closed, the concept would have been lost on me. Thank you Jason
4:20 Great observation! I missed that initially
Thanks so much Jason for putting together these videos. Best review of the new Taycan by far. Thanks again🙌
Thank you! This is also one of very few videos I've hired an editor for, so trying out some new stuff to see how it goes. Overall, stoked on it, thanks for watching!
@@EngineeringExplainedLoved this one. The editor is doing wonders with all the information easy to consume visually!
Finally someone's put active suspension into production. Bose prototyped an electric system back in the 1990s that went nowhere (Look for videos of it installed in a Lexus LS400, where they're not only doing all the same things as the Porsche does in this video, but they also use the suspension to make the car jump over things, just for fun 🙂). I suspect the main thing that stopped the Bose system making production was that it required a big battery (Compared to the 12V starter battery in an IC engined car) to run.
Electric cars already have batteries massively bigger than needed to run active suspension, but until now nobody has made use of them for suspension, which has always struck me as a massive missed opportunity. It wouldn't be hard to set up a system like this so the energy usually lost to suspension damping charges the battery, making driving rough roads both smoother for the driver and passengers and more efficient.
The biggest issue with any system like this is to make sure it fails safely though - imagine the harm this type of suspension could do if it decided to rattle the life out of the passengers or do exactly the wrong thing to maintain grip around a bend due to false readings from the sensors measuring the road surface.
Active suspension has been around in production already, google Toyota Soarer, from 1991. That car used hydraulics controlled by g-sensors and a pump driven off the engine
look up Citroen Xantia Activa, with the pinnacle of the hydropneumatic suspension back in the day.
@@tiranor As far as I know, the Xantia still has the all time fastest Elk Test speed record. Literally better at swerving than supercars. It's a damned shame Citroen haven't made anything interesting since 😞.
I drove a C5 with hydropneumatic suspension nearly 20 years ago, near enough the last they made with it, and while the ride on bad roads was uncannily impressive, the engine was so gutless it was borderline dangerous, so I got a 1.9 TDI Octavia instead, which pulled much harder, and the ride was still more than good enough.
The auto leveling in the Citroen suspension would come in useful when towing or carrying heavy stuff too - keeps the car level for better handling and stops the lights from dazzling oncoming drivers.
for everyone waiting for it... "hello everyone and welcome"
This is seriously my favorite car related UA-cam channel. You cover details and technology that few would consider. Thank you!
Amazing video!! Thank you for sharing all of that insight and knowledge!
Can we all just celebrate the majesty of a Porsche WAGON? 😍
Your channel is the best. Thanks for the detailled analyses.
From one nerd to another re the regenerative braking strategies of Tesla vs Porsche: As a former Model 3 and current E-tron GT owner I prefer the one pedal approach taken by Tesla, but there’s one huge exception. An exception so big that I can’t stand Tesla handling at the limit; I suspect it forced Porsche in the direction they took.
Braking, regen or otherwise, works to transfer weight forwards. Thus in a Tesla with one pedal driving lifting effectively tightens the car’s line towards an apex. This works great… until you push hard enough that stability control decides to intervene. Then Tesla stops regenerative braking completely, the nose unexpectedly doesn’t tuck, the car doesn’t slow and you’re instantly a car’s width away from where you expected to be.
I’ll concede most people’s goal is to never push their cars hard enough to invoke stability control. For those that do, however, feet of uncertainty at an apex depending on the car’s mood is unacceptable. I get why Tesla does it- their #1 job is to insure the car doesn’t spin with TC on. The regen braking causes the rotation so that must be removed. In the Porsche, on the other hand, the driver’s foot is causing the deceleration/ rotation, not the car, and the car doesn’t arbitrarily take the brake pedal away. The result is a more consistent experience that’s both far more enjoyable and safer to push to the limit.
If you want to see the effect yourself without it biting you simply go in hot into a spacious cloverleaf/ sweeper, lift abruptly to get the rear moving, gather it up and then try lifting again… Probably the worst thing about Tesla handling IMHO.
Exactly! Thanks for articulating the difference between a cruisy sedan and a car that's designed to be actually driven!
Performance and Plaid models have track mode to change these settings for people who do like to drive their cars near/at the limit. Have been plenty happy with the way my Model 3 P functions at autocross and on the big boy track. The place I have noticed this is an issue is in the snow, I need to put my car in track mode to make it more predictable.
That being said, I'd trade my M3P immediately for the Taycan GT if I could afford it.
makes sense🤔 Personally I can't stand one pedal driving cause I dislike having to constantly hold the pedal. I'm more of a coaster. So I accelerate to then if I'm gonna stay at that speed for a longer time I'll activate cruise control. If I see a red light in the distance I just lift off and let the car roll and use steering wheel paddles for regen and break pedal at the very end for fine control (cause the automatics can't stop as smoothly as I can).
The fact that this monster beat both the Model S Plaid and the Giulia Quadrifoglio is nothing short of insane. Well done Porsche
Great vid, thank you. Per usual, solid info, great explanations and just gotta love your humor. The humor alone would keep me coming back.
And nice, Porsche. Love to see some good engineering. Pricey, to be sure, but this level of crazy simply means more coin.
Thank you for blessing us with this Jason
Amazing suspension tech. Now wait for the fusion reactor with no recharge needed!
Can't wait to see Out Of Spec do a cannonball run with this new gen. Curious to see how much faster it can be with that monster charging.
Really
problem is US infrastructure. theoretically itll be faster, but finding working 350kW stations will be hard
@@ethanlinderman8833 Yep. Will be a challenge but they've done it before and know what they're doing.
You can hardly call it a cannonball run, it is more like a charging infrastructure test.
@@ethanlinderman8833 I'm sure it has improved from years past even if it only a few percent. Even using lower output chargers it will still be faster than the first gen cause of increased range and efficiency
One of the best car review video. Great insights very well explained! Thank you
Yeah. If only all EV reviews gave you these details on charging and engineering instead of telling you what it looks like (which we can see already).
Nice to see this level of improvement. Especially the overall weight reduction, not just putting in more power to compensate and adding an extra 100 kg. For me the original Taycan was a bit underwhelming as a Porsche 8though still an excellent car), this is more in line what I'd expect. Looking forward to the new Macan and 718, how much can they bring there from these improvements. Or something like a fully electric 918 replacement, how would it fair against Rimac.
Great video, as always. That suspension work looks crazy, I'd be very curious to have a test ride on that bumpy course.
Very informational clip! Thank you!!!!
This video makes me want one of these even more than I already did! Great video!
If I had waaaay too much money, I'd have one of these Taycans, and an R1T in the garage.
Wait a couple of years. These models depreciate like crazy coz Porsche uses taycan as a step stool for customers to buy their 911 models. Initially they end up in garages that don't really want them😅
R1s for me and a Gt.
Wagons ❤
@@amaandadan446most of them are fleet purchases in the UK due to tax advantages
The more I learn about the Lucid Sapphire the more I want one over a Plaid or Taycan, if like you said I had god money!
Why in the garage though. Get them on the road ffs....
Bless your scholarly devotion,,, what touching final complimentary words to us viewers. This is a great channel.
Great job Jason highlighting all the awesome updates
Das auto ist sehr schön, danke Porsche...
i like this better than the tesla... anyone else ?
I like lawn mowers more than teslas.
There’s a few electric cars I like more than Teslas, like this or the Hyundai Ioniq 5. I will say though, seeing the Cybertruck in person is rather shocking.
The Tesla Model Y and model 3 are basically the Toyota Camery and Corolla of the electric cars.
With that said, I really like the Porsche much more.
I’ve liked shits I’ve taken more than Tesla
Tesla looks like crap
I have an older Bolt for daily running about. Being an enthusiast driver with a manual Porsche and lifted off-road truck, both of which require a lot of input that I enjoy. The one thing on the Bolt that I like to keep me busy and is fun to use, is the shift leaver that allows quick jumping from very little regen to high regen. Also for even more regen is the steering wheel paddle. These variable inputs are fun to use and playing with them gives me a bit more range and entertainment when setting up into corners.
The energy tech improvements are significant and fascinating to listen to as you break them down, thanks!
1:55 these say +x but it show the old numbers not the difference. 3:49 now it shows +x and it is the difference.
Thanks - trying to fix with YT's blur feature!
Whenever Tesla guys talk about how you could get this car, and this car, etc for the price of this car, it always sounds like Tesla fans are people who didn't realise cars existed before 2012 and are now catching up.
These kinds of videos are exactly why I love your channel
🙏🏻
Appreciate it, thanks for watching!
I LOVE this nerdy information 😀 such a great way to round out the day 😁
Finally us germans get serious with EVs.
Thanks Jason! Now I need to sell the Model Y, the Alpine A110 GT, take on a loan and get myself a new Taycan.
You realise that this is your fault, right? How am I gonna tell the wife? 🙄
Jokes aside, thanks for the technical insight!
You've got some great cars, I think you're all set!
Loved the ("nerdy") approach! ❤ Comprehensive and, yet, clear info packed video ⚡
4:54 What’s with the ski boot? 😂.
Love the content and all the engineering bits. Keep’em coming!
Impressiv improvements
Well color me impressed
Great video. Love the extra info. Keep up the great work
Excellent information and content. Thank you!
Reminding people that you could buy multiple Teslas for the price of one Taycan is like saying “yeah, you could buy a mansion, but why not buy 10,000 sheds?”
😂 👍
Crazy exaggeration
@@CarlosGutierrez-qw6prhe isn’t wrong though plus for one model s plaid you could buy 4 Priuses which last longer than any Tesla when it comes to reliability
@@ericship8383 Did you forget the part that the new Taycan Starts at $230k? It'll depreciate more in 5 years than how much a new Cybertruck cost
@@CarlosGutierrez-qw6prthat’s a joke teslas reliability is just as bad as Land Rover, Mercedes, Lincoln, etc teslas are no different to those brands teslas reliability is horrendous look at the consumer reports if you somehow think a Tesla is more durable and reliable than a Toyota who btw are known to make some of the toughest cars for eternity then you know nothing about cars 😂 Toyotas have reached 500,000 miles to millions with ease meanwhile teslas struggle to even hit 100k I’d rather take a Land Cruiser over a model x plaid any day 💯
What a mouthful of a name! Haha
Yeah, they could certainly drop the turbo part for a start.
Don't forget the panamera turbo s e-hybrid. Porsche loves these long names
Honestly I feel like you can do that with tons of car... Generally people don't say the make, model, trim, and body style. Like Ford Mustang Ecoboost Premium Fastback is literally on their website. And Mazda 3 2.5 Turbo Premium Plus Sedan.
Super engineering point of view explanation. Nowhere can I get this kind of info, thks a lot man!
Wow - that is a massive improvement, in battery, drive train and suspension! I am most impressed by the suspension - tech I assume comes for the Dakar rally type event...
WOW! That is amazing. I need to set up a go fund me page to get this car :)
Leave it to Porshe to do an amazing good refining their work 😂
The ski boots and flippers had me rolling!!
Okay, so that TuxMat segue was magnificent. Love my TuxMats!
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The taycan turbo gt is impressive same hp as the plaid both have 1100 hp yet the taycan turbo gt is 300 pounds heavier and still whooped the plaid
The plaid wasn't even better than the old Taycan Turbo S. The plaid was a one trick pony, fast in a straight line but everything else was and is inferior 😂
That low range gear for launches makes a big difference. Being able to apply more horsepower with all that torque at launches really helps.
@@Saif0412 plaid track pack is less than half price&runs the nurburgring faster than a 2008 enzo can or a 2023 maserati mc20 can. 😀
I love the Taycan but you can’t compare with such a massive price difference. Nice to see Porsche flexing its luxury and performance history. Tesla is way behind in the interior luxury side, but is allowing a great many more to afford performance. It really is Apple to oranges for now.
@@4literv6lol did you really compare lap times to a car that is 16 years old?
Imagine in 2020 buying a new one for 110k, which is now worth 45k. And then this is released just a few years after 😮
They are not 45k. 60k maybe
@@bullshitbingo2259 American dollars, yes. I was thinking British Pounds
Imagine buying tesla, and then self explode mode activated itself.
I feel like lately weve been covered in great EV's from Korea and the US and then the Germans come out of nowhere and assert why they have been a top automotive nation in the last century.
A shockingly good video - thanks Jason!
nice
This battery chemistry would be great in Canada. Preheating for fast charging in the winter takes forever and consumes a lot of energy in my 22 Model 3LR. In -25C getting to the 50C ish that the Tesla requires takes an hour or more. 😑
Awesome video, Jason! I wonder if these companies will someday enable the new upgrades on old models to a certain level...
Great video ! One of your best to date, you’re getting better, just like the Taycan !
666KW nice 👍
ICE has reached it's peak in terms of performance and efficiency. There is no more room for relevant gains. Batteries still have a huge margin for improvements. In a few years you will barely even have to charge your EV.
Lol peak in performance for ICE cars embarrasses EVs though
@@sutherlacd27 Only in range, that's all that is left. Ah no, noise is another thing if you really like that.
@@Pyriold umm ICE cars are drastically faster than EVs
@@sutherlacd27 You mean as a race car? Maybe. For normal use... Well my EV can do 250km/h, thats about 150 miles per hour. I never go that fast. Such speeds are simply irrellevant outside the race track. And if you really want, buy a Rimac to have an EV much faster than that,
@@sutherlacd27 not true today unless you are talking about high performance hybrid ice like the v16 Bugatti
Porsche is considered one of the best employers in Germany. Best employer = best employees = best products ...
Damn, really makes me want one after watching the video, the ultimate daily driver I think
Porsche Taycan Turbo S was always superior to any Tesla or other electric cars. Now they've raised the bar even higher.
I have no interest in electric cars but videos of the taycan make me go "holy **** that's fast" in a way that's somehow more impressive than a tesla. Obviously more planted and athletic looking than other EVs, being a porsche
It was except for the paltry range. Lucid caused them to rethink their “legacy” ways
Lmao they all use the same China tech
@@llcooljay66 LOL. Lucid engineers their own.
@@llcooljay66 correction German tech 🤣
You cannot compare this to a Tesla. Tesla has poor quality, low reliability, cheap materials, etc. the Tesla model Y has the lowest reliability of any car sold in Europe last year. Even worse than a Dacia according to regulator statistics.
But you can get like 10 model Y for 1 Porsche that is why he compared it at first
@@yanmustand you can get about 4 of them. And that means they will all be broken before the first Porsche breaks. Also a Porsche has a suspension - unheard of at Tesla.
The main reason I love this channel is for the nerdy detailed videos! 🔥
The suspension is wild!! So cool.
I'm sure the kids mining that cobalt will be thrilled.
The same ones working since the 1730s to mine for cobalt? Artisan mines contributed less than 2% to the global cobalt supply genius. 👍🏻😁
People who drive Porches don't care.
@@4literv6 I strongly doubt that you could find a reliable source for that 2% number. Siddharth Kara in his book Cobalt Red visited many of the actual mines in the chaotic DRC and found them very different from official reports. I don't know where Porsche gets its cobalt. Perhaps a clean documented source is included in the hefty price tag, but the current reality is that the EV market in its present form could not exist without the cobalt from DRC. BTW, where did you get that 2% number?
The kids would still be there if EVs did not exist. Same basic battery formula is used in phones, tablets, etc. And cobalt is needed to make gasoline.
Tell that to the oil industry. They're not gonna stop using cobalt.
Tesla complacency will be its doom.
Almost zero innovation in the last 3 to 4 years, meanwhile the big automakers finally feel that EV is here to stay and start investing heavily.
This new Taycan is better in every way vs a Tesla Plaid, the new Chevy Silverado EV RST truck is miles better than the Cyberjoke.
As soon as the big automakers start to launch their 2nd generation EV cars, Tesla will no longer have an answer.
For context, the Model S overall model is near 12 years old, with just small revisions and face lifts.
The Model 3 is now almost 7 years old.
And the Model Y is 4 years old.
The big automakers renew their models usually every 4 to 5 years with significant changes, while Tesla seems to only be capable of developing a single model in that time.
I was hoping Tesla's 4680 battery was going to be as game changing as they hyped. Sure seems like a flop though. We need Tesla to continue innovating to keep other makers on their toes, but you are right, it may start to turn the other way here pretty quickly. They can still stay relevant if they continue to make decent cars at affordable prices. I'd love one of these new Taycans, but I'd have to sacrifice too much to afford it, I'm just not willing to do that. I want money for other hobbies and toys.
I settled for a Model 3 LR. I still like it quite a bit, it's decently fast when I need it and can road trip pretty well, all while not breaking the bank. Maybe in a handful of years when some lightly used Taycans are on the market I will get one. And by then there might be other cars nearly as good or better for cheaper.
@@andrewt9204It's really not that surprising that the 4680 cells didn't change much, it's really just a packaging change and the main benefit is costs to manufacture. Given that they're competing against what are now much more mature and higher density pouch and prismatic based systems from other packs the benefits of cylindrical cells are smaller than they used to be, and moving to larger cells is effectively just taking a step closer to prismatics in terms of having a smaller number of giant cells instead of tons of smaller ones.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 Yeah, manufacturing costs have gone down as the layerstacking process has been more and more optimized. the big pro for cylindrical cells has always been the ease and cost of production at the expense of power density (cooling) and capacity density (geometry). Of course Porsche customers just pay more, so Porsche can afford to splurge on the battery more. But we'll see at which point, the cost difference has diminished so much that cylindrical just isn't worth it anymore, since power density while discharging AND arguably more importantly charging is really the biggest bottleneck of EVs
@@bosstowndynamics5488 Well the biggest benefit was to be the "tabless" design. Being able to extract a lot more heat from the cell should have equated to higher/extended C-rates over the traditional cylindrical design. Not sure where it went wrong.
I'd be very interested to see how Porsche is able to manage these awesome curves. My guess is majority is from their high cobalt content.
@@andrewt9204 It's definitely not increased cobalt content, they're using 811 ratio NMC cells which use substantially *less* cobalt (although the change in cobalt is a contributor, 811 cells turned out to perform better than the previous standard equal split ratio cells)
Love your explaination😊 , miss the board though
Great video Jason. Very informative as you promised - and why I always jump to all your new videos on tons of different subjects. But please no
more “click bait” title intro picture (“Bad news?”) - for your videos are A+ and do not need the cheap attention getting initial pictures. Thanks for considering. Thanks for one more superlative video. Looking forward to your next one.😊
Ha - okay so hear me out because I'm with you! I have access to UA-cam's thumbnail Beta testing, which gives you the option to upload three thumbnails, and it chooses the best based on watch time (not click through rate, as in, encouraging the opposite of clickbait behavior). I had three thumbnails with different text, and to my surprise - "Bad News" had the best watch time, significantly higher than "Level Up" and "Turbo GT." The text with "Turbo GT" was my favorite, but it had the worst watch time, which was very surprising to me.
Nice golf cart bro
that's like saying nice lawn mower to a bugatti 😂
As a german: Thank you so much for calling it "PorschE"! Dont know why most americans cant say Porsche... Its NOT PORSCH!
Or PorshA
@@pawel7196 if you pronounce it English you are right
@@SaithronOne I am Polish, both Porsh or Porsha sounds funny to me. Only the original German pronouciation sounds right
A good way to understand the correct pronunciation of Porsche is to understand that A. It is a two syllable word. and B. It is just the German spelling (different phonetics) of the Latin/English proper name Portia and is pronounced exactly the same.
Excellent video! A great primer on the key engineering aspects of the new(er) car.
Awesome engineering! Especially the great battery charging curve and temperature management as well as the active ride suspension which is hooked up directly to the 800V system and therefore eliminates the need for an extra low voltage converter. The low voltage applications are simply connected to a small 12V battery. Much smarter engineering than the huge 48V battery needed in the cybertruck for the steering motors/suspension etc. And they still use additional 12V components which use an extra converter to power down the Volts. Porsche knows how to make quality race cars and quality engineering in general, and it shows. The new Taycan is worth every penny