Did AI Just End Music? (Now it’s Personal) ft. Rick Beato
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2024
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Throughout history, creating a complete piece of music has always been a human process. There have been attempts to compose and render songs using computers before, but frankly they weren't great.
Today, that all changes with two AI music platforms. Udio and Suno. In this episode, we'll take a look at both and talk to experts like Rick Beato to see what this means for the future of the music industry.
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"This is all backwards. AI was supposed to do my chores while I enjoy doing what I like. It was not supposed to do what I like so that I can focus on the chores."
- A comment I saw some time ago.
R I P ☠
The ironic
ain't it the truth
I've gotten into the mode that whenever a new technology that promises to solve some problem is proposed, instantly I can see how it's going to make things worse. Any new law, medicine, tech, product, and hell, relationship will promise utopia and deliver dystopia.
Couldn't have summarized the angst any better regarding AI
Considering how low the bar is now for a no. 1 Billboard hit, it's not too surprising that AI will be able to compete.
Don't worry, A.I. will fail unless it discovers the secret of #1 hits (sex sex and more sex).
Ai will never have the capacity to understand the human soul and people experiences it may mimic the human experience but nothing compares to real experience and talent there are plenty of talented artists who never get the chance or opportunity to be a super star because the label pick and choose who they think will be the next best star and if you don’t fit the mold you are let go from your label and you never hear from the artist again because the label tend to own people music and voice and hold them into a contract that they can’t get out of because they don’t have the money or power of the big labels
Yes. It just rehashes the mediocre music we are inflicted with. More of the same, yes sir!
Yeah, exactly so. In cinema as well. AI will never be able to yield a Taxi driver, Apocalypse Now or a Dog Day Afternoon, but i don't see any problem with it generating a Guardians of the Galaxy 27 etc.
@@juremustac3063 I think audience are jaded by CGI and bulletproof protagonists, and they won't fare any better with AI ones
I'm not surprised. People claim they want something new, but all they really want is a variation / derivative of something they already know and want. AI is amazing at that.
True. In this vein, the most numerous prompt from clueless humans (they are all clueless) will be 'give me something that I can be popular with'... never mind deeper, broader needs.
AI is amazing at that, but it is also amazing at creating things that no one has ever created before, and with the possibilities of iterating on different ideas faster, helping to get to a more imaginative and original result faster. That being said, it has a lot to do with the user still (and the specific model of AI). A lot of people want a variation of something they have seen before and that is one of the main reasons we are seeing a lot of cliches with AI image generators, not because the AI tools couldn't be incredibly helpful as tools to getting to a more original result, but because most users or most of the audience does not want that.
Believe me there is incredible creativity going on with these AI tools, but as with Photoshop artists, music producers or what ever other field before those, the amount of people aiming for something new and original, or of people capable of achieving that is still quite limited, as it has probably always been. With all this sensationalism about all the things these "AI tools" "do by themselves", a lot of the ways they still function like previous creative tools get overshadowed. Currently they are still algorithms that do things for us, like algorithms of Photoshop or Ableton, just algorithms that are more advanced and better learned and which we use in a new way.
@@wbiro Don't forget: ,,and that'll get me laid", 'cause that's what music has been all about for the last 100 years. Anyway, it's over, I gave up on music a few years ago already, luckily I made the decision before the coming of these abominations, I would've hate to think I got made redundant by machines, humanity already did a fine job at that, in a way humanity has (d)evolved to becoming robots and machines, did we really need AI to solidify this?
There are people like myself who haven't been able to listen to the radio for at least two decades because it absolutely sucks and is unpleasant and irritating but as much as we love the music from our youth we are getting tired of being stuck in the past and want something new and inspiring that isn't the overproduced low grade muck on the radio nowadays so A. I can mix all the best bits of the past with modern production and create something that appeals to us massive music fans, the ones the greedy pathetic music industry have long forgotten about.
Soon you will see:
1. all these possibilities already existed before they were made into a physical form
2. you will see that they all existed as possibilities since the discernible beginning of the universe
3. they existed as fundamental possibilities embedded into Creation and were put their by the Creator
So as far as I can see, all these GenAI/LLM applications are for exactly one thing: getting creative work without paying an artist to do it, while also using millions of examples of actual artists' work to train the machine, also without paying them. GG.
Surely a global class action by all musicians with published music.
As an artist all I can think about is the POSSIBILITIES AI also brings and are already bringing to the table, like stemseparation, autodetection of key etc
AI won't take your job, 6 months later
In the pre A.I. primitive old days, I would search the Internet for the images that I needed, and I would never find them (my thinking was 'cutting edge', so to speak. Let's say 'creatively unusual'). Now I can prompt for what I need myself (though even that is usually a huge wrestling match, requiring dozens of prompt experiments, if I ever get there) (A.I. is censored and limited, making too many requests not possible). As for music, its current music generation is trash (at least at my level), but if it ever gets good, why complain? We will have more good music, and we will have to suffer less through horrible Payola fare and marketing blitzes of uninspired, mediocre, cheaply copycatted art...
"Its good for business, thus more billion-dollar gold-plated mega-city yacht for us." - suits
As a music professional who has scored a lot of TV series that were (are) very well known, I can say that sampling technology absolutely impacted the live recording scene significantly in Los Angeles. My first two Disney series in the late 90s were with live players, anywhere from 15 to 46. By 2001 the sampling technology had progressed to the point where Disney stopped using orchestras for their TV series. Even so the technology was such that Orchestration for live players and Synthestration for samples in a MIDI studio were two different ‘arts’ or processes. That started to change when VSL came in the scene and you could, to a large extent, orchestrate for samples the way that you orchestrated for a live ensemble. Today sampling technology is so good that even when live orchestras are used in film, the samples often remain in the final mix. So the drum machine story that Rick (who is awesome) mentioned is much more complex than the simple, ‘drummers started playing like drum machines and their jobs were safe’ narrative. Having written that, I have no plans to buy a T-shirt of my favorite AI musician. The human act of creating art will always matter for the simple reason that we ourselves are not machines.
"Having written that, I have no plans to buy a T-shirt of my favorite AI musician. The human act of creating art will always matter for the simple reason that we ourselves are not machines." Preach, this is the direction artists should take. What AI can't provide is a relatable human experience
@@yeezythabest And in a few years, young people will form parasocial relationships with Ai chat bots.
chad B-)
@@HamHamHampster not looking good bruv. There are more depressed youths these days than there were in the past. humans still need humans
Facts
Now Skynet will be singing 2000s R&B while murdering us
How poetic😂😂
Yes i’ve been making AI music eight months now go hug your face and dump all your music on my place. Your favorite artist dump all the songs make your own.
"I am the Storm that is Approaching..."
I think it will definitely be playing Rick Astley in what will forever after be known as "The Great Rick-Roll". Now thats poetic justice.
Underrated.. 😂😂😂😂
It will never replace the EXPERIENCE OF CREATING art. It will ALWAYS be respected and considered cool & awesome when someone or a group can actually play and perform. Actually more than ever
Maybe as everyone gets dumbed down people that can actually play and write music will become rare but held in high regard. I was at a vinyl store yesterday and it was packed with young people…the human spirit will push back and crave for something real…
Generative AI now only imperfectly copies what humans created (with lots of variation ofc). But eventually AI will be super-intelligent and super-creative. Everything humans will produce or invent will be like neanderthals trying to compete with modern humans.
A. I needs humans to be creative in order to progress.
you can print AI music to vinyl very easily have you put any thought into that?
Video game music is gonna be 99% ai generated in the future
Definitely for AA games like Sword and Fairy and Gujian 😅
Maybe even Final Fantasy and Yakuza since they are extremely music-heavy games
And it wont be that good
and that's OK
@@Matanumi Par for the course for most game music. It's rare to have a really good music score for a game.
I agree. Adaptive music is better for gameplay but its a magnitude more of work and thus cost to produce all the variations and transitions to make it actually work. The amount I was quoted by a musician I contracted for my game was 7x the amount of music. For an indie like me it's unaffordable.
Having non adaptive varied music is a concession and can work, works for me at least and also for Minecraft. Adding an implied dimension of extra things happening, gameplay dynamics changing when they actually aren't.
And generating music on the fly during gameplay is even more advanced and better if implemented correctly than having generated multiple variations and that's the new frontier.
Whoa! This is a crossover I hadn’t expected.
Well here we are.
…but we‘ve always waited for😉
I’ve been playing sax since 1968. I wonder how well AI will be able to improvise John Coltrane’s Giant Steps live in front of an audience.
If it is not part of the training process it won’t. If it is trained to do so it will; the catch here is that it is expensive to do so. Adam Neely talked about it in a video.
It depends on how finely it is programmed. Currently, it is primitive to childish.
@@wbiro"currently" only lasts a few weeks with AI. I've been using it for 6 months now and the leaps it makes sense very couple weeks is insane.
Creating a "real" sounding bebop sax that plays berklee theory is child's play for an AI. It will sound exactly like coltrane if it wants to.
Have a look at Udio... worrying
I personally think every social media app you log onto should show the option to block AI content such as images, video and music right off the bat, and people should be forced to tag all their AI creations appropriately or risk getting their accounts removed.
which accounts
Rash idea, and blindly prejudicial. What makes humans any better with all of their nasty, deplorable faults? Everything gets back to your judgement (and to Broader Survival at the ultimate plane of thinking)...
No, I like AI.
Facist much
@@wbiro No. That is called disclosure and if enough people want it to be that way, we can make it a law that forces companies to abide by the law.
"I can't wait till computer take over all the terrible jobs so that humans can spend their time doing creative things"
'Oh, turns out the creative things are actually way easier for the computers to do. Looks like you'll have to keep the terrible jobs going'
Way easier to copy and remix the stolen images and sound than write something from scratch.
@@thenightninja13 But you do understand that "Scratch" is just you. And you where influenced by images and sounds too. Its the same thing. It just does more with the same information then you do.
@@KindThinker You right bro
At that point life will become not worth living anymore
Don't confuse the low hanging fruit with the long term goals or results...
I asked Udio to create a track in the style of Chopin and got a message saying "We do not generate artist likeness without permission, we have replaced Chopin with: romanticism, western classical music..."
Then it proceeded to write something that within 2 seconds reminded me of the Nocturne Op. 62 No. 2.
Incredibly impressive, but that text doesn't seem to mean a lot.
legal plot armor
Thank you for weighing Luke, and I love your music so much; sublime, just beautiful!
Thinks for the tip
Wait, that's illegal.
If you liked Udio, check out Suno AI it's so much better. It's the best one out there rn for sure and it's not even close
I've tried Udio. It's impressive. I generated a few song parts in which singer sounds like Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins, Dave Grohl of the Foo Fighters, the singer from Franz Ferdinand... The music was very close to how those bands sound too. They've definitely scanned copyrighted material.
Just tried Udio with one of my poems. This is uncanily ridiculous! I have seen and used LLMs and image generation a lot before, but this absolutely blew my mind.
So ironic how "art" was the main subject people said that Robots would never be able to replicate. We ended up getting AI art even before commercial humanoid robots.
Edit: That's some spicy comment section right there 🌶🌶🌶🌶🌶
art is about intent and emotion, which machines have 0 of.
this will not change , ever.
Art is about the appreciation of the observer. AI can do just fine making something that makes you feel something. AI having emotions isnt needed
i’d argue that much of the business of music at threat here isn’t really art
Haha, yes.. probably because the consequences of failing at "art" are very minor. Give AI the task to design a the sewer system of a city, and it fails? Disaster.
@@dondangler2458 facts.
The funny thing is when many people comment an art piece in Pinterest, Instagram, or X without knowing it is AI-generated, and then some start crying when they learn about it...
You know, there’s something that wasn’t mentioned here that’s going to be a real issue. The judge ruled that AI art can’t be copyrighted, but you absolutely know there’s going to be artists out there who will generate an entire song with AI and re-record it themselves to get around this. Lots of major artists have song writing teams behind them.. but I can see those people getting replaced pretty quickly.
I work in this industry and it’s just depressing really. Never would’ve thought I’d be questioning if my favourite artists have generated a song or wrote it themselves without any AI assistance.
So it simply won't matter any more once that settles into reality. All you'll care is that a performer can do something himself in front of a live audience, which is where they make their money anyway if you talk to any musician...
@@brianmi40 Except nowadays, that's becoming less and less true, and new artists are generated online, not in gigs or on the radio.
TikTok, UA-cam, Soundcloud, Spotify - all places that AI music will become increasingly common and dominant.
Even if it can’t be copyrighted it can and will be used to make money and in commercial uses. Even currently people are generating money with AI music via streams on Spotify, TikTok and UA-cam. Now because there is no copyright anyone can save the music and repost it themselves but why would the creator care when they already made easy money off of a few minutes work. Games won’t care if they can copyright the songs when they use it; neither will films or TV as long as it isn’t the main theme song. Soundtracks are dead
..''and re-record it themselves to get around this''....hehehehehe...Fortunately , there will be always even more and smarter ways to take advantage of AI.
@@Ryzard Even if they blow up online first, they still eventually or rely heavily on merchandising and other streams of income because people just don't buy music like that. People buy *access* to the music, but never ownership of the product unless it's on a vinyl and they care that much about it. But in such an overly "productive" period in time, a lot of consumers will not bother with physical media unless they feel they have the time to actually sit down and listen to it. Then the grindset bros have to actually get up from their chair to flip the record or change it entirely once it's finished.
thank you for involving the amazingly professional Rick Beato
I worked in the music biz for 20 years. I’ve done work for every major artist and producer, and I made a very good living.
In 2013 I sold off all the tech I developed, and I left the industry because I saw that it was dying off, financially speaking.
Yes, i saw the same ting around that time..
@@TJ-bx5px Nearly everyone I know that had successful careers has moved into other fields. Label owners, producers, musicians...anyone who made a serious living. They've all moved on.
What are you doing now as a job?
@@chromaticvisuelle I work in software, writing Python code for data analytics. It’s really boring but pays well. Most people I work with have no idea what I used to do for a living. In their minds, I am on the same level as a wedding DJ 🤣
It is like Andy Warhol's 15 minutes of fame -- the riches are now spread out over a larger landscape. More people get a nickel rather than one making a fortune. Is that a bad thing? No, you just need a day job now.
I am a non-professional musician for 30 years.
When my brother who is a sound technician sent me a link to Udio a month ago I was blown away.
It was a feeling I couldn't quite cope with - it was awe, amazement, shock and sorrow all at the same time.
That's not to say I didn't enjoy immediately playing around with it and creating some crazy tracks (like a heavy metal version of a Sandra Boynton kids book, or a british space odyssey of Vogon poetry)
It is very impressive and very scary.
Thanks for the honest, balanced comment.
"I thought that some of the metaphysical imagery was really particularly effective. Interesting rhythmic devices too,, which seemed to counterpoint the surrealism of the underlying metaphor of the Vogonity of the poet’s compassionate soul which contrives through the medium of the verse structure to sublimate this, transcend that, and come to terms with the fundamental dichotomies of the other and one is left with a profound and vivid insight into whatever it was the poem was about!"
You are not creating anything. You are just like an executive in a company asking an artist to create something for your product. The software is creating everything.
@@Atlas65 you're right. You could even say that the software isn't creating - rather more like 'finding', since like all of modern AI, using UDIO is basically akin to searching the 'latent space' of all possible music.
@@grubmgI'd argue humans are also "finding" music. After all, mathematically, all the songs possible are out there. Humans just walk within that realm and try to find news things in the set of all songs possible. But that process for humans is creativity while for robots it's a very robotic way of finding things. The term "generate" for AI is better because it kinda undermines the "creative" part which fits better that process.
This happened FIFTEEN YEARS AGO: I played drums for ten years. I went over to my friend's place and his Son was in the basement writing a song with synth, including a separated drum machine. I told him the drum track sounded a bit too perfect, or artificial. He turned what might be called the slop knob, and that drum track sounded PERFECT, with TINY imperfections that drummers have. You could hear some 1/2 notes from the Snare Drum, hit dead center, and a few hitting slightly off center! I couldn't believe it! Like I say, that was fifteen years ago.
"The future is now, old man." -The Kid (probably)
Man, I go in and change the velocity and placement of each hit manually to make it sound human. You're telling me there was a slop knob this whole time? Hahaha
@Cloven137 ableton has a whole selection of timing presets you can pick from and adjust +/- the timing and velocity, it's on the left of the midi piano roll
@@user-jc2ts8ol8l yeah I know I'm half kidding. I adjust with intent though and get psychotically meticulous about it lol.
@@Cloven137it’s usually called humanize.
I've always been more into live music than recorded. I don't see how AI will ever replace the experience of being in the same room as a human putting their heart and soul into a performance.
this.
that's the only silver lining I see
Ai robots that are humanoid. An advanced ai version of Chucke Chesse band
Your in the extreme minority. Almost nobody is like you. There are people who still like Gregorian chant but there is not enough people who do for people to make a living doing that and there probably isn't even enough enthusiasm for it to make people continue to listen to it in a few more generations. That being said Art has never been popular and people have never cared about art. Van gogh famously only sold one painting in his lifetime and he had major connections to the popular art world. So in the end its not much difference because nobody ever really actually cared to begin with.
I think big AI entertainment companies will arise and develop a insane show in a custom venue thats beyond anything you ever seen with robotics and automated lights and fire and whatever else you could imagine
it's so sad to think that in a few years people wont even believe i make my own music myself
Photographers are encountering that today, the ones that used to be hired to shoot models, and oh yeah, the models themselves. But, have to make way for the ____ing AI Gods.
Why would you care
only if it's just as soulless, rigid, and unremarkable
A band of musicians performing a live concert is nowhere near being replaced by AI. But non-performing artist already saw a sharp decline with internet and MP3s.
Some musicians even started releasing albums for free as an advert and getting money from live performances only.
I'm a musician. I'm 56. More than 80-90% of place who used to play live music are using DJs now. Why? It;s technically much easier to plug 2 aux, than having a mixing desk, amplifiers, microphones, musicians, etc. You can have a "virtual gig", played by a virtual band, with an "audience" at home wearing Apple visions pro. They did few "concert" like that on fortnite and the kids was saying that it was "They first gig"!!! Imagine, your first gig being alone in your room with an headset...
Live musicians are already being replaced by knob fiddlers.
Sure but aren't EDM festivals with DJs turning a couple knobs as big, if not bigger than rock concerts?
There are concerts, starting with ABBA, next is Kiss, where the whole thing is AI generated versions, not the real musicians on the stage but computer generated holographs. People pay a lot of money to see them and they are sold out for a few years in advance. The ABBA one in London has its own building, specifically built. It makes tons of money.
@@lionellodge3957 And don't forget, there are Korean virtual K-pop groups made totally digitally who do concerts as well with hologram. I'm typing this with tears rolling down my eyes, we are really f*cked...
When those companies say they want to "respect the rights of the artists", I always have to think about a line by Danny Schmidt: "And so we kill it like the buffalo, with awe and with respect". (Song: This too shall pass)
The Indians did that, as they managed the herds, not the Europeans, who killed for greedy profit (which destroys everything that it comes into contact with), or to exterminate the Indians, who showed a little more reverence for nature (music in this case)...
Most Indians of the Great Plains respected the Buffalo to the point of deification. The Great Plains were so fertile, due to the buffalo, wildlife and Indians. The term the "The Bread Basket of North America" describes the fertility of the Great Plains through the balance the Plains Indians created with nature and nature's creatures. Amber waves of grain, indeed, but for how much longer with the rate at which our limited topsoil is being depleted. Developing rich topsoil takes hundreds to thousands of years.
Pulling sounds out of the ether is the best part of creating music! That’s real magic✨ the ai music just still feels, ick.
That is because A.I. is still an infant. When it evolves and finally gives us magic, why complain? It is all human-originated anyway (who will have moved on to other magic)...
Perfect! AI can code, write music, make art while we humans only have to worry about hard labor and getting stuck in an office cubicle, slaving off our debts
With the endless uploading to the internet, we have uploaded our souls.
We are creating the noosphere (Greek nous meaning mind: the mind-sphere).
Geosphere --> biosphere --> noosphere
It is a cosmic meta-evolutionary progression
*Those words speak volumes of truth*
~AI~
Unfortunately there are little evidence of the existence of a soul, or consciousness, the idea of quantum mechanics did reveal a few interesting things though wish more funding was given to those
@@NeostormXLMAX It was poetic nihilism (the current rage).
We live in the simulation from the start ^^
I never thought I'd see a Rick Beato and Dagogo Altriade collaboration! Especially not one on Ai and music but what a fantastic intersection of people and interests. Rick was absolutely spot on. Brilliant!!! 😉😅
I won't stop playing my little guitar 🎸😭
It's all been written on the Beato Book!
You are very much appreciated! I remember when i started with my first Amiga in the 80´s creating tracks with Pro-Tracker. IT´s insane how everything has evolved! Great Video. ;) People with commen sense and are getting rare today.
Nice one bruv. Great channel, great opinions, all your stuff is of such a high quality, and very thought provoking.
Hopefully this will encourage more people to want to actually make music as opposed to continued passive consumption? What else are we gonna do when all our jobs are gone? One way to 'play' music right now without being a musician is with a modular system, specifically feedback patching, admittedly it's likely to be more of a noise composition. There is a certain feeling one gets when you set the system up correctly, and then on preciously rare occasions you vibe of each other. It responds to your every move, and you to it. It's difficult to explain because the vocabulary is unfamiliar but the back and fourth 'connection' is undeniable - you are having a 'conversation' - about something - with it. You jam with it for a magical 5 or 20 minutes or less, then it - leaves - the moment is gone, and upon inspection you realize your phone battery died, that stick must have been nearly full - or the tape ran out! It's the same sense of loss as when you miss capturing a unique and novel jam session as opposed to just not tracking your best take. The mad professor analogy definitely works here. You are in your lab, and if all goes well about to wrench some form of sonic abomination from beyond the underwhen! You stitch the necessary parts together just so, and when you apply the exact voltage cluster at the assigned moment... IT'S ALIVE!! The portal is open - but for how long? Every moment counts, you'll communicate as much as you dare in the time you have. Obviously I jest, but there is something of a 'first contact' feel about it, that if you push or interrogate it too much or too soon it'll scare and run off, but if you fail to challenge or hold it's attention it will tire and won't bother saying goodbye...
This is just the very, very beginning. Anything that isn't perfect now, will be in 5-10 years. In 25 years I have no clue where society will be.
Changing "years" to months would probably be more accurate.
It's crazy how all of this basically started getting good in basically just a year. Yeah, there's no telling what 5 more years could bring.
We'll be in trenches. Happens all the time we hit a major tech revolution.
False extrapolation. It remains to be seen if AI can come up with truly novel artistic styles not seen before (i.e. not a combination of two or more existing styles). Humans can do that and have done that (not sure if recently, though).
It'll hit a wall, AI is cool but anyone in the industry knows that most of this is stuff we already had just having the kinks worked out. Proper AI that fully replaces people is so far away it isn't even funny.
We still need to make sure we're preventing a mass labor problem however as AI is actually very powerful and will change our world as much or more than the internet itself did. We need to make sure that change is positive because the change is inevitable so put your energy into the correct target.
I'd like to point out one thing though... "creating" music like this feels more like "ordering" music to be created, and much less like "creating" music. And there's something to be said for actually "creating" music. I don't know if this makes sense? But yeah, when someone "creates" music like this it's like saying I "created" a printful t-shirt, when all you did was input text and clicked "order now"
Yeah, very different processes that might seem similar when you focus on the end result. Creating feels more engaging, you can go into a flow state, and be in the moment, have a sense of purpose and direction, making choices, channeling emotions. Ordering to create is very "end result" oriented, very "business" / "result" like, you skip everything that makes the process of art creation almost spiritual sometimes. You can absolutely do it, but the lack of engagement with the process will make it eventually, after generating hundreds of songs, appear mundane and empty, at least that's what i think.
@@akramelmansouri6752 agree 100%
@@akramelmansouri6752 well said.
Yeah, absolutely correct. The persona pleasure in doing something won't be replaced by AI anytime soon, but its value in the marketplace... That's a different story.
Thats a lovely dress, "thank you". Thats a beautiful song, "thank you".
Great to hear don’t go (Dusky remix) used in the background. Such an oldschool banger. Was blasting it in my car the other day!
This is great!
People will finally enjoy music the way it should be enjoyed: concerts, recitals, town squares, campfires. Everything else we’ve seen thus far was a distortion created by Intellectual Monopoly laws (ie Copyright). AI will ironically undo all of that nonsense and make people more authentic.
as an artist i was exited about this tech at first but i tried to type a chord progression and it failed to understand the concept, so its clear this isnt a tool for musicians its a tool for company's to replace us .
All it references for information are databases of human made music, lyrics etc, so it is doing what humans do anyway, but without a face or person to relate to.
Same here. I thought that you could at least input a melody or some chords but it's really the AI creating everything for you from a prompt. Real rubbish for musician but perfect for business who just want a song who sound a bit like this or that without having any creative input...
Yup, and now this actually is starting to sound... non-robotic (if still wrong sounding), and it'll only get better.
Training data ought to be made PUBLIC by all these companies (it should be a law). I was just checking out some "jazz" on udio, and the outputs sound like they've literally been trained on decades of copyrighted music (from early jazz, to hard bop, to fusion, to modern, I could even hear the recording quality was emulated from each decade).
No way this will hold up legally in this case (unless the recording companies themselves decide to screw us over, which is certainly possible)
It has to be profit making for companies, how else is it going to sell?
Obviously.. That's who it's targeted towards
3:55 - that's not "users creating music." it's users prompting an algorithm on what music it will make for them. Big difference.
No, it is still creating music (it did not create a hammer, for example). The method is different, that's all.
this reminds me of when voice modulation came out and everyone was saying how its not talent if your using these products. AI can never replace human emotion and logic that comes with writing emotionally driven music. AI is a tool not an end all be all
My band just made the news for someone stealing our entire recording of our second record. They changed the speed and pitch and branded it with another artists name. Wild times ❤
Every time I see a video or read an article about AI going to dominate or take over the music industry, I literally come to tears.
And I am not embarrassed to say that. 90% of my life I've been in the music industry and been in the music industry all my life.
Music industry got me out of very hardship times. And if it were not because of music and me being in the music industry, I would have parted this life a long time ago.
It was what kept me going in life. And now lately I have been watching as the music industry are getting more into AI music.
I am afraid that within 10 to 20 years, every piece of music created will be created by someone in their apartment or basement in their moms house pressing 1 button,
or a few keystrokes on a keyboard, and they release music to the masses. To the point that eventually they will win Grammy's on music they in reality did not create.
I am watching the music industry crumble. I come from the disco days and of when Salt N Peppa first release their single "Push It" when I went to college, Madonna "Isla Bonita" first released.
White Snake "Is This Love", Diana Ross "Upside Down", Journey "Faithfully", Starship "Sara", Foreigner "I don't want to live without you",
and other artists like Phil Collins, Tears For Fears, Chaka Chan, Richard Marx, and so many others. I am watching the world k!!ll the music industry.
It's bad enough that the world in 2024 is putting out nothing but garbage & noise, and most talents out there are null and void compared to the talents of the 80's.
That now people have decided to make matters even worse and k!!ll the music industry with AI generated music. I am just in tears, literally in tears. 😢
Humans are literally burning the world. That is what it feels like.
I feel bad for your but honestly all that music was just trash
i was born in 2007 and i feel as if i was born too late to even make an artistic impact
Twsted , some Gr8 points there & yr passion for the music & industry is felt / I kind of look at it like Comedy , Musicians , Visual Artists & Comedy have so many parallels: Comedians have an idea ir experience & share it - Even though an AI generator can write jokes , the comedian will continue to exp life & make fun of it bc u are what u do / I’ve been an album cover artist since 92 but I still draw & paint regardless of Album covers are no longer relevant
Not sure if it makes things any better, but pop music has - as you remarked - become bland and irrelevant without AI. The golden days of pop music were the 60s, 70s, 80s. "They don't make 'em like that anymore", as they say. So what is there actually left to kill that isn't already basically dead?
Maybe this AI thing will ultimately lead to some unforeseen rejuvenation because people realize what's redundant (like today's commercial music) and what actually has substance. A major shakeup is happening anyway, but nobody can take away your favorite songs!
I can relate to your entire comment
that "mucking about" had soul man. the day AI makes me tear up is when it's all over, but we still have time, keep creating.
Hehehe create more content.... That the AI can use!
So actually though it is a bit disconcerting that the more content is produced by humans, the more stuff the AI has to make itself more realistic. Maybe the paid job of artists in the future will be to feed AI content to keep it realistic, so it doesn't just recycle old content.
its so true. and it was today for me
@@moreknowslessshows I saw a video from MattVidPro AI where he prompted Suno to make a country song about being an AI, and for a lot of the commenters that was their day
Interesting to see how a lot of musicians react in the exact same way as many of us visual artists did 2 years ago. We feel you. And while most of us are not ludites who "hate" technology - how could we? Many of us are using digital tools after all - it really hurts to see how some companies strip away the humanity of something like creative work. And most of the time just for pure profit motivated reasons where they do not care who gets hurt in the process.
We were promised "tools to help artists to do their jobs better". All we got is that places to share each other efforts are being endlessly spammed by people who spend 20 seconds on average writing a prompt and post 40 versions of such same prompt solely to see numbers go up, which is all they care about.
Yes, there's people using AI who put effort to fix the raw results with care. I am aware. I'm not referring to you. We both know how most people use it, however. The democratisation they keep referring to only means "everyone irrelevant the same".
@@Dexter01992 It's not even a democratisation of art. It's in my opinion the exact opposite(!).
First, you need those algorithms, which do he heavy lifting for you. From rendering, to poses, colour composition, lighting you name it. So it's like a chess computer playing chess games for you. You learn nothing from doing it.
Second, you can only create what the algorithm allows you to create.
Want to draw a naked person? Or something that's more controversial? Forgetaboutit. If the algorithm doesn't know it. So do you.
So when people say "democratisation" of art, I can only laugh. Because they are being manipulated.
I really like the conclusion. Well done.
AI will absolutely devalue and dilute real human talent and creativity. We are already being inundated with AI art to the point that some online image boards have very little human-created art in comparison to AI-generated pieces.
People, with the influence of labels, have chosen to devalue music. It’s already happened.
There's been massive devalue in everything digital because of the internet. Further enhancing a real experience
Just proves it wasn't worth much lets be honest.
As said in another video, there's always big hype when new technology comes around, and eventually that hype goes down and people get bored with it.
And as I said in another comment, all AI will do is put mediocre, lazy, and untalented people out of work, as new technology always scares people like this. This is nothing new. Cars, radio, television, and internet had the same untalented and lazy people panic back in their decades upon their introduction. And frankly, this needs to happen. And as a creative person myself, I wouldn't let AI scare me from making stories and art. Mediocre people shilling their garbage on Fiverr and DeviantArt, are scared however, cause they know they're mediocre. Either innovate and adapt, or learn to code, cope, and seethe.
@@xx-----------xx873 I mean, artists from the 70s/80s/90s and early 2000s have sold their music catalogs for tens to hundreds of millions and have sold many many copies and have influenced modern culture a lot, in terms of clothing, how people talk, what people value, their ideology, what's cool, etc...so it WAS worth a lot before. Now it won't.
I just tried Udio with making specific era hardcore / metalcore songs and it nailed it. Yeah, it's over, especially because 1000s of real life bands sound similar regardless (not a diss to them, just the nature of the genres that have been ongoing for a 20 years now). No, I don't mean people won't be able to make music on their own and enjoy it. But clearly being able to have a livable income is going to be extremely difficult, more than ever. Rick Beato for example is going to be fine. He already has his wealth. The youngest Gen Z and/or maybe starting at Gen Alpha will likely never be able to make a living off their creative efforts; if those who are successful now are in few numbers, then their numbers will be fractions of it, to the point no one will think it's viable; except maybe the ultra wealthy and technocrats that own the machines, the technology and/or have the money to push their child to a spotlight. If it's 1% now out of the population, it'll be 0.1% for them, in my opinion. But people like Rick Beato, even if they act nice and cool, don't really care because they're set in life already, so are many other people. They''ll never have to struggle for food, a roof over their head or the ability to just exist regardless of what AI does because they're already on a financially secure path and have been, have had the headstart, have the money sitting around, etc. All this stuff is extremely fun and cool if you completely and utterly ignore the reality of what it takes to live in the real world....income....money. Seeing the history of mankind, you have to realize, even in Star Trek with their post-scarcity society, there was a massive world war before it.
Sucks for young people. Everything does. But you guys have insane intercommunication ability that previous gens never had. You need to learn to use it instead of it using you
not only genZ and creative people,
Everyone will be affected by it.
Most jobs out there is easier than making Music, Movie, Game, and Programming
Rick Beato Chilled about it because he already make a living, and had nothing to prove anymore.
while the Next Generation still need to earn $3000 just to cover 1 Months worth of rent & food
all of the Opportunities already snatched by AI,
even the Job that require human will get Bargained a lot, get paid using peanuts
there are massive layoff in Tech like Facebook, Google, Amazon, in recent years for a reason,
AI already replacing those workers.
they're not allowed to operate AI, because AI work autonomously like an assembly line.
And why would anyone think that they're Above those brilliant people who worked at Facebook, Google and Amazon.
and no, UBI is a Financial Suicide, won't happen, and already debunked countless time
having livable income is extremely difficult for ~90% of people. Anyone who wants to make big income with little effort is putting even more strain on those 90%.
Isn’t most of the money generated from touring anyway? I just don’t see people going to want to see an AI on stage. I guess that’s what DJs are but I much prefer to watch real people who have a talent.
@@nhanon67as Smaller bands tend to pay for the privilege of touring and loose quite bit of money to get a chance of earning reputation.
I'm certain I share the same fears and anger as much of the creative world-community as a whole when AI is mentioned in relation to making 'art', 'literature', 'music' etc, but I'd like to put forward a more optimistic viewpoint that has recently emerged from the shadows of my darker, moodier thoughts about all of this - that it could well come to pass that human-made art of all kinds, actually INCREASES in value, depth, meaning and purposefulness, for all beings with a soul and beating heart, people who are still wanting to be moved by the myriad ways human experience and emotion can be expressed.
Seeing a great painting or sculpture in a gallery, or listening to and watching musicians and dancers performing live for example, rather than on an illuminated digital screen, will draw us away from our devices and back into the real world, especially when we become aware that most of the images, words and sounds we will come to experience on our phones, tablets, VR headsets, will be AI generated.
Anything AI creates will always be 'unimpressive' if you consider it has an almost godlike processing/scanning/filtering/producing/plagiarising 'ability', and especially this will become apparent when the novelty wears off.
Our humanity will be our strength, because we can give artforms something AI will never be able to give - soul, mortality, experience, love.
Our slow, imperfectly perfect creative labours, over many years of dedication, will always have more value.
It still gets down to art content, which includes the piece's reason for being. Who's to say that A.I. cannot deliver on that? (and more sadly, if you look at most human artistic creations, their 'reason for being' is usually pathetic, if not outright mercenary).
Oh please the drama is too much…
You risk a copium overdose.
AI is now copying human soul, mortality, experience, love.
But eventually it will master improvement. To put it simply, it's songs will have more soul than any human made song.
Of course man-made art won't die, just like people didn't stop painting when photography was invented, but the market will be smaller because the average person doesn't care all that much about the human factor.
Maybe it'll weed out the kind of music that's been put out for the last quarter century and return us back to when musicians actually had to write something creative and interesting.
Yes, Nuno Bettencourt effectually stated that in his interview with Beato.
Great episode Dagogo. It's a real bummer that we were told AI would do the dishes so we could all make art, in the end AI does the art and so we can still do the dishes.
It's a snake that eats itself. If it gets good enough that people get pushed out of creative roles, there'll be no training data for subsequent models to be built off, and it'll just stagnate.
Nah. The guy who gets paid to wash the dishes can now become a music producer 😉
@@BooleanDisorder because being a factory worker is not enjoyable. Creating music was valuable and fun, now it's still fun but not valuable. It's a hefty price to pay, especially considering what you get in return: advertisers now can produce their spam easier and the entertainment industry will move even further into quantity over quality.
"Your worst sin is that you have destroyed and betrayed yourself for nothing."
@@gomes.98 It's people who have lost their livelihood. The complete disregard for their lives among "cultured" people is pretty off-putting.
@@brandonreed09I can accept “music prompt engineer”, but typing “2000s aggressive rock” doesn’t make you a music producer hahahahahahaha
I am a lover of technology but I’m also a music producer and I had to go through a lot of years of training to learn music theory, how to use all the tools DAWs and plugins, learn composition, mixing and recording. This AI tool while it lowers the barrier of entry to people who want to create music, it also devalues the fact that for us musicians it took a tremendous amount of skill and hard work to learn to create quality music. Now almost anyone can create a song via a text prompt without having to put in the effort to learn everything it takes to create a song.
The problem with AI is that it treats the creation of music as a problem that needs a solution. It really doesn't.
There's a lot of legitimate reasons to be sceptical/frustrated/against when it comes to AI art tools but the gatekeeping argument has gotta be my least favorite one...
I am a lover of technology but I'm also a cobler and I had to go through many years of training to learn to make shoes, learn to use all the hand tools. This "factory" while it lowers the barrier for those who want to create shoes it also devalues the fact that for us cobblers it took a tremendous amount of skill and hard work to learn to create shoes. Now almost anyone can create shoes without having to put in the effort to learn everything it takes to create them.
-quote from a luddite. Probably
Oh boo hoo, people are making music just how they like it and don't have to listen to music made for a general audience. How sad. This is why I'm fully for AI everything. You want to listen to some music curated specifically for you? AI! You want to have a connection with people who enjoy similar music? Go to a irl concert! It's not complicated.
@@gbladewarrior6884 did you miss the part where I said I’m a lover of technology? I use technology to create music, my computer, my DAW, my synths that’s all technology but it takes a steep learning curve to learn how to use all the equipment which is what gives it value. The upside is I can customize my music however I want it to sound. When you use an AI tool you have very surface level of customization. You can decide the genre and tempo and that’s about it but for sure I can see sync placements becoming a thing of the past. Any editor in the media business looking for a background soundtrack for a film or UA-cam/TV show will just go straight to using this AI tool. You need something mellow for this chill scene? Done. You need something high energy for this action scene? Done. It will definitely displace a lot of musicians who make a living this way and that’s a tough pill to swallow for those folks.
Really great video. This is an emerging topic and something I've been deeply invested in, a hobbyist musician for over a decade but also massive advocate for generative music AI.
The axis presented in this is one of 'impact on music professionals' vs 'the entry barrier has been lowered for all beginners to unlock the joys of creating music' BUT it misses the hybrid point, which is the intersection of professionals who embrace and arm themselves with generative AI. That's where Rick Beatos chart topping AI hits will come from in the next couple years.
Protecting and acknowledging effort and clear labelling of AI generated content is the priority. The gatekeeping and most ethical based arguments against this; well I don't think they are going to stand the test of time.
Gatekeeping, eh? Who has been the biggest "gatekeeper" on the scene in regard to AI? Wouldn't that be the relatively tiny group of people who ripped off artists without any attempt at getting consent to then train their models so they could become filthy rich? Aren't they the true gatekeepers here?
@@flickwtchr While it’s valid to critique those who may have used artists' work without consent to train AI models, suggesting that their sole aim is financial gain oversimplifies the issue. Many involved in developing these technologies are driven by a genuine passion for innovation in music creation, just wanting to explore new artistic fronts.
Also consider the current structure of the music industry, valued at approximately $30 billion annually? A significant portion of this sum does not go to musicians but to intermediaries like labels and legal entities. This raises a question: should the music industry primarily be about profit, or should it focus more on art and creativity? The advent of AI in music could democratise the industry, disrupting a system that values commercial success over artistic merit.
Look at the quality of popular music today; drugs and sex rather than the more thoughtful and enriching compositions (60s-90s?). AI will be a disruptive force, potentially revitalising how music is produced and consumed, making it more about artistic expression and less about commercial viability.
As for 'gatekeeping' by AI developers, the future of AI music will be shaped by a broad community rather than a handful of gatekeepers. This is such early days and nothing compared to what the near future will bring. Open-source projects and local tools will come (look at llama3 for LLMs, the trajectory for locally running models will be wild). Should any attempt to dominate the music creation space emerge, it will be met with significant resistance, from everyone.
The ethical considerations you raised are valid but the potential benefits of these technologies should not be overlooked. It is a chance to shift the balance back towards artistic integrity and away from purely commercial pursuits.
One day after publication, Dagogo, and you have over 3,500 comments! Well done, indeed. I've been completely blown away by LLMs, but this is impressive and somewhat disturbing. One observation: at this point the "randomness" in AI generation can be manipulated and this can change the output to something less like the data the AI was trained on, but that's not the same thing as inspiration or inventiveness. Thanks for taking the time to put this out.
I've been noticing a bunch of tiny channels on UA-cam doing this kind of thing. I get recommended them sometimes and they've got like 50 subscribers and 300 views.
Damn! My channel never makes the cut, LOL!
have you seen motown papi? it’s pretty good 😂
I get those, too. I'm not sure if they're legit or just UA-cam trying to spotlight the little people. I see it the most when the system is trying to cater to my interests, like a small channel doing a tier list for, say, Final Fantasy VII (I'm playing Rebirth at the moment and have watched a few videos related to the franchise). I also have developed a weird interest in "Korean scrapbooking ASMR" 😂. It helps me to sleep, but now, I'm being recommended a bit too many of these channels. I've already found my "one", lol.
So, I take these smaller channels with a grain of salt as some look to be a bit sketch but others are legit small creators. Besides, views and subscribers can be faked with bots so big numbers don't mean anything either.
Yes, UA-cam is trying to help small channels grow, they had a video on their strategy to support new creators
@luke5100 Check out the voice replication songs now Some of them are really good. Search Obama We are cover
22:06
the AI fatigue you mentioned in this bit makes me think of this episode of Star Trek Voyager with The Doctor where he explores his love of opera with this alien species the crew comes across. I think at one point the aliens think the Doctor could go further by altering his program to sing in weird directions that would take away the core of what he is. I think he refuses and the aliens make a copy of him that does what they want. does a farewell performance that's super soulful that barely gets a reaction from the aliens, but when they bring out the clone, he sings in the weird cut up all over the place version that takes away a lot and they go crazy for it. but i think it doesn't have any meaning to it or something like that.
at least that's what I think happened in that episode.
Season 6 Episode 13: Virtuoso is the name of the episode if you want to see what i was talking about.
Yes, I thought it was sad that they REPLACED him because he wasn't willing to `adapt´ enough for their thirst for more.
dopebox is cool. you need adblock, though
@@Australian_Made I mean isn't that what happens with artists too? jobs, etc too
That’s a really funny episode
I've been using Ableton Live, soft and physical synths for years. IMO you can't replace the feeling when a tune in your head becomes a reality, the creative process itself is full of life.
I can see, as you say, a place for generating samples that can enrich the music-making process and I also see AI can open up a world for those who would otherwise not get involved in music creation but the human drive to create music will never diminish. It is built in.
Writing a prompt and music being spit out is not creating music. Writing prompts, and then combining such in output on separate tracks in interesting ways and then augmenting that with actual played instruments would be a hybrid, which is the upper bounds of what will happen in regard to any such actual creativity coming from the use of these generative models.
I am so so glad I got out when I did. Just need to find a buyer for my kit.
Whenever someone says "Now, everybody can create music / drawings / art", I shiver. It doesn't have anything to do with "creating". It's writing a prompt and clicking a button - it's basically just downloading from an infinite library.
you "create" as much as if you ask some dude on fiver to make you a dark trap song. Basically nothing
They're more curators than creators.
More like "anyone can have any art they can ask for" not that "anyone can create".
Not infinite
*Stolen*
Every AI gen image, song or written word is theft, stealing from actually human artists without permission nor compensation
@@radiodeer902 Not stolen, learned. Every human image, song or written word is learned from other artists. We don't need AI for theft, photocopiers do that just fine. But AI generates new art, it doesn't just spit out copies.
I once heard about science fiction story (probably from the time of the original Twilight Zone) of a computer asked to create the most beautiful song ever; and upon hearing it, the man was permanently enraptured, almost as if he'd fallen into a comma for the rest of his life. It's an intriguing story, which I'm thinking of more and more in these times.
Sounds like that Rick and Morty episode where Rick creates the most "level" place
Infinite Tsukuyomi
Oh my God thanks for sharing that thought. That's something to think about for sure....
@@michaelsilver5862 I need a reference. I looked it up (thanks, it looks interesting). I haven't heard the reference before and would really appreciate something more specific. Again, thanks.
@@TesserId Oh sorry, I was referencing the similar concept in naruto. It's definitely not the story you were thinking of but there's a similar enough concept that i thought mentioning it was humorous.
How about AI politicians that actually do something useful.
Embracing change is one thing, turning an industry into chaos another.
The choice between pressing a button to create and actual human creativity cannot be compared.
Billboard will have a separate top 100 for AI generated songs, so how does one prove between AI song and the real one. ?
AI should simple insert the song into the software and in seconds detect whether it’s AI generated or otherwise.
"Popular/Top Chart" music has been manufactured for decades now, AI is just another way to churn them out more efficiently.
Real music will not go away because as Rick stated: people enjoy playing and creating music. For the real music lovers out there, musicians will always be found and have a place.
When the oil runs out, we might all be back to playing our instruments by the campfire. Sure, there are other ways to produce lots of electricity. But without oil, we won't have the fertilizer needed to feed 9 billion human mouths.
This is exactly it. The most popular music has become so corporate, so algorithm-driven, etc., that it's so far removed from the actual raw output of the named musician or band, and more a product of a manufacturing process. AI isn't going to make this type of music less 'human', that happened a long time ago. If anything, it will hopefully lead people to seek out genres and experiences that are more 'human' - for example, going to see a local live band.
@@Uvevwevwevwe Agreed, Soundgarden, Nirvana and Pearl Jam all made their start playing small venues and not only all became famous on their own merit/sound, they literally created a previously non-existant genre we refer to as GRUNGE. It is impossible to deny that their music became popular because of the pure RAW emotion and I don't believe A.I. is capable of emulating RAW emotion... at least not yet
@@barackobama9343 But at what point would people not care about raw emotion? Of course there will always be people who can't stand AI music(If they know what they are listening to is AI at all), but it is easier for people to accept it and not care about talented artists who produce a few songs every now and then.
After all, we have been accepting AI and now we change? AI is going to be making life easier, so why not accept it. We could listen to this random guy who doesn't have as much talent, or we could listen to the talent of hundreds of thousands, or even millions of songs all compressed in this program that generates as many songs as we want, right?
@@jlopez4889 You make a valid point. It is already evident that the vast majority of people enjoy garbage/manufactured music with ZERO emotional meaning behind it, aside form "I get money, I get sex, I kill people, I am awesome!" I am willing to admit i could easily be wrong based on the current state of humanity, I did not consider that when I made my original comment.
Thanks for bringing this to light. As curators, we try to make space for independent emerging artists, although we're afraid of the future of the music landscape. Whether we like it or not, the general audience doesn't care much about independent emerging artists, they often fly under the radar. And even so-called indie artists, only the well-known ones, receive support from the audience. It's a challenging reality for artist, and it will be even more so in the future.
Not surprised. 'Creating' music is literally pulling on everything we've already heard to create something 'new'.
That's truer today than ever before, especially in popular music. Even human artists sound a LOT like one another.
As AI gets smarter and trained, voila.
When AI can play blues guitar like Eric Gales, I'll be really impressed.
7:04 The “mistake music” is interesting to me! It reminds me of the sound of V-GER from the Star Trek movie trying to communicate with The Creator.
I asked Suno to generate some Hindi songs and its insane how it knows all the finer nuances of Indian singing styles (which is a whole different beast to learn in itself) and how perfectly incorporates it into the vocals. Its scary good.
'Suno' is btw a Hindi word that translates to "listen"
even if it's niche or nuanced it should be relative "easy" to do something for which there are clear rules, but it's not like it can just make the next genre of music.
The word "know" is doing so much work there
I could not get udio to play a mizmar for love or money. I tried for 20 minutes before I gave up. It can do middle eastern stuff, just not the mizmar. No idea why.
सुनो means suno
I was surprised to find out it can generate songs in different languages. They must've got a huge training model to recognize the different styles of music.
I was an indie game developer for about three years, and in that time I learned to compose music that I thought was pretty good. After about five minutes on this website, I got it to produce a metal boss fight song with a vocalist and lyrics that seem better than anything I’ve ever written. It’s crazy that AI is coming for all these creative outlets at once.
its coming for video next (and 3d visuals in general). Then its coming for anything coding related. Making games,websites,anything. They already started with that.
Make you're own stuff because ai will only cause more issues (style misalignment, copyright, not unique enough ect)
Human touch is a maker or breaker.
Good thing im making millions on pluming
@@Focal_Paradox Its much faster than Moore's Law.
"Sometimes it messes up big time"
:plays an Autechre tune:
At this rate, someone will create an A.I software that can tell you which shares you must buy and sell and at which time period😁
I mean, that's how the stock market works today and for years.
@@BooleanDisorder Which A.I software do they use? I wanna check it out.
@@bokang8540 they run it on more like supercomputers
David Cope just described AI before that phrased was ever coined. "A small program that will sit of the music data, not part of the date but can create music from the existing music data."
I think David Cope was having a stroke as he was saying that.
"And when everyone's Super. No one will be" Syndrome
Yes, just the AI will be super and we only blind followers…
And when everybody uses AI to do a job that some other dude did before, everybody will be out of a job. Simple math.
One plus side is that UA-cam won't be able to censor AI music.
Creativity become effortless!
It's learning from humans currently, so it has access to unlimited creativity. That's why it's so impressive - it's infringing on millennia of natural evolution of mind, art and technology. Once the quantity of content online becomes predominantly AI generated, it will start to learn from itself. Then it will become just another appliance. The real scary part begins when it can learn from the physical world, not just what's online. That's when you run.
Disney will now replace everyone now.
No one is safe. Actors, musicians, directors, and production teams.
disney is low quality stuff with no cultural value, it can all evaporate and nothing will be missed as heritage.
Disney also needs tax credits.
They wont replace everyone. Just a few parts to save money
The Cancer Runs deeper,
Creating image, Music, & Code from scratch is a very Hard Problem.
just imagine Video game, or Movie, to make such project happen is almost the same as moving the whole mountain,
it require 50+ discipline and expertise,
meaning that 90% of the job out there that only require
documents, Spreadsheet, Report and Presentation, will be the First Blood.
and let's be real 90% of jobs out there are easier and more relaxed
compared to Gamedev, Musician, and Programmer job.
today fast food chains Drivethru already replaced with AI.
boycott disney
good they are all preds anyhow
I just spent a couple hours playing with Udio, generating Black Metal, Broadway Musical songs, Doom, Uptempo Hardcore, and Ritualistic Folk...
Some of it is recognisable as "a bit off", but over all this is downright scary.
There is very little that "gives away" that fact that this is AI, and I'm pretty sure the music scene will be flooded with AI generated stuff in the very near future.
I also found myself second guessing music I recently bought, because the voice now feels somewhat generated, and... Do I really want to start thinking about this any time I listen to music?
As a singer/songwriter for 50 plus years and a piano tuner/technician for that time as well I don't have mixed feelings about this! This SUCKS plain and simple as all MODERN TECHNOLOGY is the end of us all and that's been the plan from day one going back decades. Slowly the music we loved to hear from humans will be gone forever. BTW I still tune pianos the old fashion way - BY EAR! So many younger tuners tune with an APP! I only have my tuning fork and then I go to town setting the temperament. When I recorded in the 70's I would teach the Bass player and drummer the songs in the morning and then the other musicians would arrive with the LEAD SHEETS and I would count it off 1-2-3-4 and we would record the song all at once! I still say that's my favorite way to record! With LIVE MUSICIANS! If you don't know what the number 19 stands for you should know it stands for ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE! 19 so-called hijackers on 9/11/2001 ( there were no Planes or hijackings that day if you did your real research on that ) 19 years later CERTIFICATE OF VACCINATED I.D. 19 and then for the first time a football game ends in regulation 19 to 19! That's code for this and soon they want everything to be A fucking I! I sure miss the days of going to TOWER RECORDS and walking down the aisles and listening to REAL MUSICIANS MUSIC! As technology develops they slowly take away what we enjoyed about it. No more RECORDS - CD'S etc Soon NO MORE HUMAN BEINGS being HUMAN MAKING MUSIC! Do you all want that? I sure don't! The video here was well done but I disagree with RICK about thinking any of this will be good! It WON'T!
Voice acting in danger 💀
good lol
For sure
@@buckbreaker5185 and What about voiceover? 💀💀
Yes, I already use it
@@buckbreaker5185 How is it good?
Tbh the biggest outcome will be soulless studio music will turn into soulless AI music.
Personally this won’t change what I’m specifically into much.
In fact- Suno/Udio is what pushed me into making music actually. It couldn’t generate what I wanted and left much to be desired, so I realized I had to do it myself
AI skill issue. At some point good technicians will be able to generate what they want by using the right prompts.
This is just a small hurdle, as the other dude said it’s just a matter of time. When talking about AI always add YET. The manhattan project cost 20b adjusting to today, these companies are going to pour in literally trillions into this
Yeah well give it a couple years and things will be very different
I think there will always be a niche for real musicians. I cannot imagine people lining up to see an AI concert, well perhaps the same folks who enjoy soulless music industry crap like Taylor Swift ;)
@@Bynming They are not musicians tho, how would they know what they want?
To answer Rick's question "what's the difference" : TIME. Finding samples, moving around notes etc still has to be done and reviewed, using ones talent and time, which limits the amount of songs you can put out in a week/month/year and of course the individual quality of them. AI is simply much much faster. It won't "replace" music as an art form. But it could (imo will) potentially destroy businesses of people who are creating "utility music" for a living. Commercials, movies, radio jingles.
I've tried it. I wanted to make accapella vocals for sampling or try break it for new sounds. It kind of works for that. Other than that it just makes lots of....well... bad music.
Have heard from Tv & film scoring friends that some big companies are leaning into this stuff a lot & firing composers.
Didn’t expect rick beato being excited about this. AI is a job killer for the music industry
And for your job as well
He is enjoying his fame. That's all. All the resentment and all that lack of attention to him is coming at him all at once. So he has to enjoy it and now down to UA-cam narrative.
Wouldnt be surprised if he is a Commie.
If ai wants to do kitchen prep it's welcome to it.
It WONT effect him.
I'd rather jobs die than humans be robbed of the creative process which is what AI is doing, eventually turning humans into cucumbers.
its always an enormous whiplash to see a man as handsome as Dagogo on camera after almost 20 minutes of hearing him with his usual monotone (almost AI sounding, but soothing) narration.
Yeah, he’s a cool guy for sure! Not to mention crazy knowledgeable and talented.
Is that his natural look or he's cosplaying as Sam L. Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction?
Backhanded compliment and a half.
100%
Dagogo will be replaced.
Engineers are quite literally coding all of us, including them, out of jobs and passions that we love.
Lose the job. Keep the passion.
@@wbiro the jobs are how we survive?... hello?
@@diebygaming8015are they tho ?
Food water and shelter is how we live.
@@alqualonde2998 where do you think food, clean drinkable water, and shelter, come from? In addition to other essentials like medicines.. they come from people working to produce them.. or you work to produce something you can trade for those things
@@diebygaming8015 and where is the exact need for jobs in this equation?
A human is an obligatory consumer. Not an obligatory producer.
Making Ai Music feels like it's more about the product...while making music, in my case, is far more about the process.
The process of spending time puts the soul into music. Not the artificial Music can't sound good, it's more about if you care or not. I started playing guitar not to write songs in the first place. It was all the fun, the hurt, the way to express myself, to learn, to evolve, to be pround, to have something to look back at...and now something to listen back too. I feel how I felt when I listen to old recordings, remember the painful part getting the lyrics done, finding the right sound twisting knobs.
For not one of those things, Ai will matter in years when I look back on what I've created.
That "mess up" example 1 sounds class!
man, this sucks. Why the hell did we make AI replace art instead of work? What's the point? Why do the robots get to create while we slave away? Its awful. I hate it.
It's only gonna get worse.
We've yet to see no retirement, no house ownership and eating bugs instead of meat.
Plus megacorporations are at their infancy. We've yet to see a megacorp that includes EVERYTHING in it. An by EVERYTHING I mean EVERY. SINGLE. THING.
Starting from corporate housing, and ending in banking, furniture and food.
A megacorp with it's own V-bucks for money that has complete control of each facet of your life, and when you can't work no more, you would need to go die off, because there's no businesses and no competition. Just 2-3 monopolies for the entire continent.
Right? It seems way more complex to make art and that's what we made AI do? Instead of super dull and tedious tasks we do at work everyday which seems a million times simpler.
"Does every AI need to be a screenwriter? Why can't it help clean plastic out of the ocean or something."
Money. This will make most labor force extremely cheap.
i was told that robots and AI would do the work humans didn't want to do (like manual labor) but instead they're doing the things that make life worth living.
Using Ai for anything other than assisting IN PRODUCTION (not creating) is copyright infringement. We need to collectively sue and end it!
There's no substitute for live performance. I only like to listen to recordings if I know who the musician is and if they are capable of performaing it live. ...in general. There are some exceptions but they tend to be variations on a theme that fits this constraint.
Just tried Udio to create a 1970's prog rock thing. It was good, but not amazing - for amazing, we'll have to wait another few weeks. Seriously, it is very very impressive.
6:23 that's exactly it, if you just want to have a song ready to go, then AI is an option. But most musicians enjoy the creative process just as much, if not more than having a finished song.
everybody that creates anything thinks like this
Musicians do. Studios that need stock music for marketing purposes won't care and will probably chose the quicker/cheaper option.
Fewer jobs for musicians means fewer musicians.
Musicians wanting to create isn't the problem.
Yes but musicians aren't the ones paying musicians
I want AI as band mates, idea generation, playing the parts I don't, and coming up with fresh ideas... Looking forward to a .VST that I can plug into my DAW and get tracks of any style, any instrument and inspired by what I've done... it's coming.
that was a great excerpt from your beato interview. i think he is right about about all he said (only nit is i dont think it will be 10 years for some of that)
I've worked with tools with Ai. And also have tested many Ai music creation pages... The only thing I see is to go into more niche styles that the Ai is never gonna get trained for now. At the same time I've use Ai to make some playlist, but still the mind relaxation and game we get from creating art is never gonna be replaced, the curiosity of creating sound design or music is something you have or you don't.
But I can see how Ai tracks , like hiphop or rnb, can help maybe singers that can't create their own beats and don't have the money to pay a "beat maker". now they can choose between many tracks easily...
artists, musicians, and programmers need to band together, build our own companies and take the power of production back into our own hands. In a ground war of entertainment between the artists of the entertainment industry vs the corporate heads of the companies with ai tech, the artists will win.
While I love your enthusiasm and the idea, we wouldn't stand a chance. It's the common people, the consumers who need to take a stand. If it's bringing in money, "the man" will always win. It's unfortunate but true. Money talks.
@@matt_nyc_audioengineer i think quality and lack there of will topple giants. The reason why "the man" is able to make money right now is on the backs of the labor of the artists working for them. These real humans are the ones responsible for all of the ideas and visuals that make all of the movies, tv shows, and games good. Without these real humans with real talent and ideas, these behemoth companies will be empty shells. The people at the top don't understand the limitations of ai technology in what it can give them and what it is missing. These CEOs are foolhardy. New companies will be built by the real humans that powered these companies as they stood and when we see the quality of entertainment provided by these older companies with ai compared to these newer companies with human made works, people will resonate with what was man made. The ai works will lack spirit and voice.
Too late!
The programmers unfortunately seems to be fully on the side of corporations and do not care the slightest about artists, they have a very useful skillset but it seems they continuesly put it to the wrong use.
Wake up buddy, it's not happening.
Scary to see how AI is advancing in all possible ways
Where did they get all of that datasets? stolen from the label?
@jensenraylight8011 Everything on the internet is actually accessible..
@@abdechakourmec1695 got it, so it's okay for AI to steal face, your fingerprint, Voice, Documents and Bank Account,
after all everything on the Internet is accessible and you already gave your consent for everyone.
and someone in the comment section might do just that.
I wish it was more physical labor than artistic pursuits people do literally for fun. 🙃
we have only seen the tip of this iceberg is what I find truly frightening
Interesting topic (to me, anyway). A few observations that I've made in dealing with A.I.:
1. A.I. requires data (Large Language Models, for example, are just glorified cut and paste machines). We create data (as well as A.I. itself). So we will never be out of the loop. There are just more competitors in the field now.
2. As composers and performers, A.I. is still very primitive, and the only thing fascinating (and listenable) about its output is the nature of the human music that it drew from, i.e. the various sources that it cut from to make that one 'paste'.
3. I asked it to create a piece similar to my solo piano improvisations, and it failed, drawing instead from standard jazz licks, standard Chopin phrases, and, of all things, Turkish music, none of which were even remotely similar to my style (OK, maybe remotely), and its output was crap, artistically speaking, lacking all elements except unadorned note production to a mechanically strict beat. If it improves, great, then we have better music to accompany us through life. If not, the music is at the mercy of humans...
If an A.I platform comes along that can create something like Dion Warwicks''walk on by'' The Stones ''start me up'' Procol harums ''whiter shade of pale'' or the beach boys ''god only knows'' wake me up.
I once tried to explain the genius of the beatles to my nephew; it was'nt just the lyrics and melodies, but that what they made was unlike anything before.
Creative genius will not be replaced by AI, The weekend or Coldplay could
The problem is that, any attempt to make any AI requiring major licenses would create mega monopoly that no independent individual could ever compete.
Didn't get that. Are you saying that if AI were to have to get major licenses, only the one or two most deep-pocketed AI companies would survive?
So the artist that did create the original music should not get compensated for their art?
@@rasmusholmgaardnielsen6554 No. Because every artist learned to make music by listening to other artists. And those artists learned from other artist's music etc.
@@jimj2683 There's a difference between getting inspired by and downright copying.
@@jimj2683 Not how AI works. AI doesn't learn anything, correct term is gathering of a data set. The legal privilege is given only to a biologial brain that does learn for obvious reasons and not to a corpo data laundering machine.
@RickBeato Rick, don't forget that not only people enjoy playing instruments, people also enjoy watching real people play instruments.
As a punk/metal fan, the live experience of sonically experiencing the performance can't be captured in software. I hope this is a feeling that people will continue enjoying in the century to come (and many probably will still seek it out because it's transcendent when you hear your favorite band play one of your favorite songs at full volume)
Facts
and maybe in a crazy way AI will lead to way more live music and performance especially if will break through to a "post work " economy where people purse their hobbies, sports, entertainment instead of having jobs.
Sure but the now 1% artists that made it are going to become the 0.1%. Unfortunately not many artists would be able to tour without other sources of income.
Both can exist at the same time, maybe now we will have less in-person shitty people who are only in it for the money, and more people in it because they have a genuine and pure enjoyment in the art
I don't think AI is going to end music, but I do think music is about to get A LOT better. We're probably going to enter a golden age of songwriting where the shear amount of good songs is about to become overwhelming.
The first big disruption I experienced from AI was in chess, when Alpha left no chance for human players. Global market for chess since then didn't drop, in fact it's growing year by year. Chess players were also not deprived of income in any way, because nobody pays for watching AIs play against each other, there no tournaments for them to play against each other. As a producer and composer, I'm super excited, that's all there is.