The Price Of Bodybuilding Success Ep. 2 - Dorian Yates | Surgeon Reacts To 6-Time Mr. Olympia
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this explainer video, orthopedic surgeon Dr Chris Raynor explores the career of bodybuilding legend, Dorian Yates, and his injuries. The video covers his unique training style, six consecutive Mr. Olympia titles, and his exceptional physical health compared to other bodybuilders. Watch to discover the secrets of Dorian Yates' success. #dorianyates #bloodandguts #mrolympia
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As someone how knows very little about body building, but sees these cases of body builders lives being ruined or worse through injury or PED use, that triceps injury may have been the best thing for him. He gives me the impression that he'll outlive a lot of body builders today
I thought a few months ago that I injured the minor muscles in my chest but as time goes on I'm not so sure I feel the stress more in my clavicle bones than in any muscle. I told my wife it's being good to feel more like my neck is out of wack. What do you think?
@@jameskelly6479I can’t tell you what you’ve injured based on your description but it sounds like whatever you’re doing is putting strain on that whole area. You may also have changed how you’re moving to compensate for the pain which has caused injury/discomfort in adjacent tissue. Go to a physio if you can for an assessment and some recommendations for exercises/movements to strengthen the area and return to pain free function.
@@jameskelly6479 me? Honestly, how would I know? I'm not a medical professional. You should see a doctor
@@joe94c This was an accident. It was suppose to be somewhere else.
he already has outlived some younger bodybuilders.
I commented after the Ronnie Coleman video that Ronnie could have won all his titles, retired, had surgery no.1 THEN looked after his body and he'd be in a much healthier, pain free position now. Dorian Yates is the perfect example of this "It was hard on my body. So now I'm being kind to my body". I admire his discipline both in his training/diet regime as a competitor and his discipline in knowing when to retire and that he needed to take care of his body.
Excellent video. It's a real joy to sit down and watch such well researched, scientific (but understandable), and entertainingly edited content.
Thank you kindly RB!
I 100% agree RB. My wife and I find these fascinating. She's got a Dietitics degree, and I was a semipro athlete for many years, so seeing these various components come together is a treat.
We see how FAKE these STEROID users REALLY are when they finally can't take their STEROIDS because they got ARRESTED/in PRISON or the doctors tell them to come off because of health PROBLEMS...there goes those FAKE STEROID muscles they been HIDING behind!
ROIDERS are FAKES!
Stay natural buddy!
@ChrisRaynorMD any time frame on the next space marine instalment?
Ronny had otherworldly pain tolerance, to a detriment, unfortunately.
Great break down of Dorians injuries 👍
Editor is 10/10
Doctor 10/10
Perfect combo
Great video, Dr. Chris. Appeciate your time to put this video together and all the detail and wisdom. Thank you.
Great video. Very informative and yet interesting and entertaining. Not to mention funny at the same time. Stayed till the end. Seems like alot of work to put together. 10/10🙌🙌🏆😊
Your videos are so informative. I can tell a lot of work goes into each video. Thank you so much 😀
Volume training is the best less chance of injury everyone that does this type of training has had bad injuries
Dorian’s a beast
Great video. I learn more each time I watch from your channel. In particular, this video answered a question about myself. Highly educational, keep up with great content.
I love bodybuilding❤I know I do not have shoulder an a V taper like Flex Wheeler.
But man do I aspire to have that motivation to for the sport.
Dudes Lats were crazy!
Good job team. These are enjoyable and informative videos. Thanks.
Thank you for video. Great one. Dorian is huge man. Not in volume, in knowledge and reasoning. One of a kind. If i want anything to accomplish in that sport, I would find a way to come to Dorian. No matter what. He could build new olimpia winner. But I doubt there is someone in new generation who could do all the work and say no to enjoy the life long enough....
This was fascinating, and from multiple perspectives. Thank you! As a longtime weightlifter, now 18 months into a stage IV prostate cancer diagnosis and thus, strict androgen deprivation therapy, want I want to know is: what exactly is the role of testosterone in bodybuilding and strength training, and how should I best train now? I doubt this would be interesting to the majority of your viewers, or certainly the algorithms, but it’s my Hail Mary nevertheless. Much respect, sir.
Great video, very informative! Also very stoked with the 40k reference
23:16 well spoken Brother Apothecary. I absolutely concur.
when anyone exercises a lot and gets hurt I always like to go back to what MIKE MENTZER
said referring to the "science" muscle magazines where promoting at the time of his career
" 75% of muscle is water. if more is really better then why not advocate that people dring 10 gallons of water a day "
I remember watching idols from Arnold Schwarzenegger and their bodies looked more natural, in the sense a muscle is gonna develop in a specific way if trained. Although Mr. Arnold has come clean about his use of steroids, I like to see how he tries to turn the clock on Mr. Olympia, when blood, sweat and tears won 1st place and not the myriad of hormones available now.
One does not become a 6x Mr Olympia without sacrifices... i am happy that he retired early and was able to enjoy a more balanced lifestyle
What an upstanding guy
8:15 I felt that. One day of legs and you spend the rest of the week hobbling 😫
Cool content
Very informative videos, just curious the name of the opening hip hop song in your videos?
Pull up selecta 🇯🇲
I wouldn't mind a video on ancient times. How would an ancient athlete look like ? Are the statues we see in Rome amd Greece realistic or not ? That sort of thing
Interesting video. I would like to point out that the idea that resistance exercised (RE) induced muscle hypertrophy is due to a "tear-and-repair" hypothesis is quite outdated. The non-aqueous portion of muscle is primarily protein. Therefore, for muscle to undergo hypertrophy, there has to be an increase in muscle protein synthesis. This cannot be explained by injury-induced satellite cell activation. Well-controlled studies have failed to show a relationship between RE related muscle injury and hypertrophy.
The causes behind hypertrophy occur primarily as a result of an increase in protein synthesis resulting from multiple, as yet incompletely ironed out, processes at the molecular level. The most important pathway is initiated as a result of tension applied to the myofibrils, at their Z-lines (mechanotransduction). The transfer of tensile force from the Z-line to the extracellular matrix is thought to be mediated by centromeres, resulting, somehow (one of the unanswered questions) in localized increase of a specific protein, FAK, an enzyme that catalyzes the first of many dozens of reactions that ultimately lead to upregulation of mRNA activity, ribosomal proliferation and, ultimately an increase in protein synthesis. Much of this is mediated by a "master protein", mTORC1.
Like I said, it’s complicated. But "tear and repair" as the major trigger of RE-induced hypertrophy? That model is becoming less and less in vogue as our knowledge of molecular biology of muscle matures. "Time under tension" is the current catchphrase!
See a wonderful review of current understanding in a paper by Lim, Nunes, Currier, et. al., in Medicine & Science in Sports from last year.
Will check this out. If my knowledge on this mechanism is outdated that is good to know. Best part about that article is the Canadian connection.
FWIW, I have an MSc in Biochmem, but it was all molecular genetics. My thesis covered DNA transposition in Drosophila. I miss those days of benchwork.
@@ChrisRaynorMD My undergrad degree was biochem. That was 100 yrs ago. I’m a radiologist, doing a lot of MSK. I’ve had a lot of interest in muscle physiology for decades. I presented a paper at RSNA years ago showing ability of T2W MRI to identify what muscles are activated by different exercises. Had a lot of fun with that, recruiting college wrestlers and football players to "volunteer".
I love your channel. Subscribed immediately after I first saw a video of yours. You’re a terrific teacher. You have a rare ability to describe orthopedic concepts, dx and therapy so clearly and eloquently. Can’t imagine how long it must take you to put together a video.
Dorian was around 245 on stage in 92 he went up to 257 on stage in 93.
Dr Chris, please-what You talk about at 9mins50secs-does it mean that more severe damage causes new muscle-cells to be formed? am I understanding this correctly? best regards.
If the damage is above a certain level, stem cells are then used to create new muscle cells to replace the damaged cells.
@@ChrisRaynorMD thank You very much for this Information. I got confused because at school They had taught Us that the number of skeletal-muscle-cells remained the same over the course of the lifetime. best regards.
You could tell they want ed to hug after the winner was announced but realized they had far too little clothing on to still remain a massive dude bra
Sup Doc, unrelated but thoughts on tmj disorder and chiropractors?
I've always wondered, if you had a bad posture and a bad back, could you get on the juice and build muscle mass in your lats and erectus muscles to straighten yourself up and fix your back problems?
No. it wouldn't work to do that.
Can a tricep tear be repaired if it occurred several years earlier?
30:13 Granite af
This is how they named the dorian fruit...
Ok who else has heard it called HORE ??? (Hypertrophy Oriented Reistance Effort) ???? Why just why?
This example of an athlete who was hurt and should have taken a minute to recuperate serves perfectly as an illustration how addictive sport and success could be. He just couldn't stop training. I can not fathom what kind of will power this man has to have in order to accumulate that kind of training inertia!
That's the only way you can get success at that level. High level athletes are all masters of compensation and working through injuries. Even the guys that people make fun of for being overly paranoid about injuries and taking too much time off are working through injuries that most people wouldn't be able to work through.
I remember reading about his training. (Edit: probably remembering it wrong but close enough) 21 sets per muscle per week, all at once, and every third set was well beyond failure. He required a training partner to not drop a weight on himself. He was known as the low-volume guy, but his “warmup sets” were actual sets. He just didnt count a set unless it traumatized him. He was a student of his sport. Innovative, but based on study and self-experimentation. His meticulous training journal is so interesting its a published book. If he had access to today’s scientific literature/data on hypertrophy, i bet he wouldnt have trained the way he did.
21 sets per muscle pushed to failure?
@Desi Boi that's totally inaccurate lol. it was usally 3 exercises for biceps. 2 warm up sets for the first exercise, 1 set for failure. 1 warm up set for the second one, 1 for failure and the last one was usually only 1 set for failure.
No, watch his interviwers, his training academy, how he teachs his students. It's all the same, no changes. Best way for training in his opnion, and in the mind of many others.
@@jr_olv well his style worked best for him, but whether he believes it best for his clients and the average joe we cant be certain, since he makes money by claiming it is.
@@kneewizard6246 I've been following Dorian for almost 10 years now. He's not a bullshit guy, doesnt need that. He truly believes in what he says, and I can tell you that his training method has worked great for me. Been training for like 13 years Im not a pro but I love the spot and always liked low volume training and high intensity so it just suits me perfectly.
This is a great video. Humble, truthful, nice ending, heart warming, relatable. And good humor. 👍😍😘 thank you
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you.
Dorian kept training inspite of his injuries while his career was still going on. But once he realized he was done with stopped his hard training for good unlike Ronnie. Thats why inspite of some life altering injuries mainly to his left arm and shoulder, he can still walk and do most of what people his age can do. Unlike Ronnie who kept going, he didnt let his ego get in the way
That's my takeaway from comparing these two goats of the sport as well, though i dont know if i'd attribute ego to Ronnie's refusal to look after his body in retirement. He seems to just enjoy lifting so much that he doesn't realise he would actually have been able to lift more long term if he took the necessary time to heal post surgery.
@@rickkybobby8118 then you don't know how our egos work, they subdue our expectations with temptations on overindulgence, and calling that "enjoyment". True self love through care knows that the deeper the pain, the more our body needs to heal, and the worst pain is numbness, for that's when our body's confused, because our egos fear pain so much, it'll deny the existence of pain at all cost.
@@DomFortress Ego is your sense of self. Pride deals with self satisfaction, and a vice would be something harmful you overindulge in. I think it'd be more accurate to describe Ronnie's lifting habits as a vice he took too much pride in to take a break from when he really ought to. Sure, you can say he tied his ego to lifting. But you can derive your own self worth wholly from the gym and still be smart about training and recovery to get the most out of it. It's the prideful pleasure from lifting that can make it a vice and tempt overindulgence, and actually end up harming your ego as it harms your long term health/gains.
@@rickkybobby8118 then Ronnie took pride for meeting and fulfilling the bodybuilding community's unrealistic and harmful obsession/expectation, and that became his all consuming ego that costed his longevity and euphemized it as "sacrifice".
@@rickkybobby8118 there's enjoying lifting and then there's sheer stupidity.
Doctors told Ronnie not to train after surgeries, and what did he do? he went and lifted heavy the next day.
This is the New Testament of The Bro Science Bible. Squatthew 1
The elephant in the room makes it all irrelevant. An athlete health minded conscious wouldn’t ever use steroids or any PED’s. I understand if you want to go pro you must use it to compete. However, I don’t think they could be called athletes or sportsman, they are entertainers, I don’t think they can be called cheaters anymore, like in the 60s, 70’s and 80’s, where they lied straight face to the public. The cat is out of the bag. They are honest about it at least, which is a good thing in my opinion. Nevertheless, my opinion about them has changed a lot: Not role models anymore, rather examples of what should be avoided if one looks for optimal health thru exercise and nutrition.
I agree. Although I have been working out for 40 years and been a recreational bodybuilder as well as a fan, I can't follow any of their advice on building muscle due to the fact they take PED.
If you train naturally, your health won't be damaged. It's the roids and sups that makes you go downhill.
Do supplements damage our bodies as well? I'm not talking about drugs. I'm talking about things like creatine and protein powders.
@@rodb66 It's going to depend on the ingredients. The optimal way is natural training. That way the bones and musles develop in proportion to the training load. You don't want anything other than that kind of development.
@@kpec3 Are you saying that it's best to even skip protein shakes and creatine?
@@rodb66 Definitely. Eat regular, portion controlled meals and workout. Creatine powders, btw, have never been scientifically proven to increase muscle growth. It doesn't make it past the stomach.
@@kpec3 I got it. I'm going to try to go supplement free once I finish what I'm currently taking. Thanks
Dr. Raynor. Thank you for the videos about bodybuilding, etc. Could you take a look at ballet dancers sometime? They can get pretty extreme.
Bodybuilding died early by the 80s. Became nothing but a freak show. Scharzenegger, Zane, Nubret...........now those were bodybuilders who actually
looked athletic and had pleasing proportions that inspired . Not these cartoonish mass monsters of today
Mass monster are at a higher level than golden era bodybuilders.
It's the natural evolution of the sport like it or not.
Bodybuilders will never stop pushing the boundaries of shear mass no matter what.
Love your videos, Dr. Raynor. They juxtapose nicely with the training videos I watch, reminding me to be happy with the modest gains I’m able to make using a program that is kind to my overall health.
I also like that this video has fewer of the goofy humor cuts - you’re the star and those just get in the way imho
🙏🙏🙏
Why was there a Fortnite clip in this video??
hint: elimination
Your channel is so awesome 👌
Thank you so much 😀
Thank you. I am a fan of Dorian. My young self would stare at his poster as I trained. Still training with my accumulated injuries today which limit my motions. Your videos have been invaluable resources for me to train safer, smarter and most important, be kind to my body. God bless you and everyone with you.👍🙏
Love this channel! Please keep it up, I learn so much with every video!
Glad to hear it!
Steroids most likely caused the injuries the problem is when you're on steroids the muscles get stronger but the joint tendons and ligaments stay the same and that causes a weakness for injuries and diuretics for bodybuilding cause mineral imbalance in the body. If your drug free your muscles only get so strong that your tendons and ligaments going to handle the stress of training but when you go and get some other nature and alter your chemistry this happens.
Just another example of how Western society lives at the extremes and glorifies them. Even though living at either edge of the spectrum is rarely good for health and well being.
I suppose that as a species we possibly need trailblazers in order to push new limits and set new frontiers, but for the rest of us it’s sometimes good to remind ourselves that being average is okay…
Larry Wheels sighting! U subbed to Nick's Strength and Power doc?
Can we get one on champ chris bumstead next?
I have been thinking about reaching out to him. We are from the same city.
@@ChrisRaynorMD That's awesome!
PED use may have caused injuries since PED make you stronger than what your body can normally support : muscle attachment, joints and tendons are more likely to break
To hear this all explained in a medical fashion is very illuminating. I met Dorian once at a photo signing in Ilford u.k. a humble man that had huge waves of power/ energy coming off of him Awesome accomplishment to be the first English Mr Olympia and then to win 6 times.
However , the way bodybuilding has become mainstream now and the common use of steroids/ drugs is appaling .
Most of us are average , Mr Yates certainly isn't and was a true great , I hope very much he has a healthy ,peaceful life.
Thanks for uploading doc! Like always your videos are hard to watch but even harder to look away! Very educational. Thank you for helping us understand our bodies more!
Okay so i guess i know all the terms for describing how obese or lean a person is: Morbidly obese, obese, overweight, average/normal, lean/healthy, shredded/peeled and now grainy. Though to me helmut strebl did look a touch more grainy, but i think he was lighter as well but he looked like the lowest bodyfat percentage i've ever seen... basically a living anatomy chart, but whatever they're both really close to each other so yeah.
It's a high price to pay. 🇦🇺
Red light/near infrared has an amazing effect in helping your tendons repair themselves. Also great for your skin.
I love the Blood and Guts video. My two favorite things from that video was the black and white footage and the trainer screaming CMON DORIAN!!! ONE MORE!!!
We always hear about hypertrophy. I found your diagram that included muscle hyperplasia interesting. I'd love to see a video about that as I often hear the phrase "you can't change the muscle fibres you're born with" as the excuse for difficulty putting on calf size
Yeah hyperplasia is adding more muscle fibre. How much can be added though. People that lift do have more muscle cells, but is that why they lift, cause they had more to start with. Hypertrophy ends when you completely fill the fibre up. I guess you have to fill up the full length of the fibre and all fibre types.
Hyperplasia barely occurs in humans as a training effect
I stopped training calves when I was an amateur BB I was cursed I swear it.
Thanks Dr. Chris, your channel is excellent. Can you do a similar clip to this one but on Flex Wheeler?
Yes I can!
Great video! Very informative synopsis of Dorian Yates' training style from an injury management point of view 💪
So Dr Chris if you partially tear your pectoral major, where now it flexes to the middle, you can't repair hamburger too hamburger, so there nothing you can do about, except deal with deformity, right?
Amazing what the roids will do.
Great video
I thought I injured the minor muscles in my chest but as its healing I feel a lot more stress in my clavicle bone and more in my shoulder. When I was watching the skeleton about Dorian I noticed the connection to the shoulder. At the time of exercising I was using dumbells. What do you think?
Maybe it's a strained labrum?
@@gregoriomiller8241 It's getting better I'll give it a while and get it checked out if it takes too long.
Wah Gwan Doc🇯🇲 🙌🏽
Fascinating as always--thanks Dr. C!
Thanks doc. I've watched a few of your videos now and you flow well from point to point.
This is top 1%
love love love this series as a bodybuilder my self this is amazing to see what they went thru
Thanks very much. This is the most complete, educational analysis of Dorian's injuries I've seen on UA-cam or anywhere.
There's no free lunch in life life is a marathon not a sprint pay me now or pay me later
I'm glad he's happy
Yup, clen muscle. Anavar do drugs.
I never blinked an eye at Dorian until now. I've always been a fan of and emulated Sergio Oliva. Dorian was got damn monster!
The Picture of Dorian Grainy.
I like dorian because he was transparent with bodybuilding. He used a huge amount of gear like most of them though but they lie sadly. Last it's not a sport. Its a joke to me when people think bodybuilding is a sport. 11:02 he should have said used in bodybuilding and in sports not other sports. 12:08 not a sport doctor. I will stop with this now. Last they not althete
Correct it’s not a sport , it’s a show or a circus 😮
Just found your channel and really like your intelligent, medical explanations of the body building world I’ve been a fan of and a participant for much of my life. 44 now and need to lose weight, so your work is helpful and fascinating.
Muscles can only pull. Limbs can push.
This is always interesting.
Hello good sir. I just wanted to thank you for your videos. I work in lab science but always love learning clinical applications and treatments you do a great job of keeping the topics interesting. Thanks again.
this is why im training to lift the same weight more and more, rather than constantly trying to out compete myself with heavier and heavier weights. more weight = more likeihood for injury. solution, increasing endurance for a lower weight
What 3D software/program is that at 9:15? Thanks in advance.
Complete Anatomy by 3D4Medical.
Great video. Very eye-opening.
I like the new Dorian balanced, yoga , breathing , meditative , weed !!!!
I wasn't a fan of the bodybuilder Dorian but I like the present day Dorian.
Great video! I learn so much. Thank you from a fellow Canadian! 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 I think you should cover strongman. It's riddled with injuries.
Great video as always and it had alot of depth and insight into the training and how it effects the body.
I am always am speechless when witnessing Dorian Yates.
He is my standard of physique.
Dorian should be the guy that every body builder and gym rat should listen to. He has said he would never use PED's if he wasn't doing it as a job.
I've used gear before when I was an amateur BB but once I stopped competing I stopped using because that's what Dorian did.
I trained nothing like these guys. 4x week with a mix of strength, yoga, and cardiovascular for 12 years. I played hockey with my brother 1x/ week for 6 months for 1 hr for 10 years. Just It was our only time together. Occasionally we'd play in tournaments to raise money for charities together.
I had a labral repair in 2021 in my hip from hockey because I couldn't sit for more than 30 mins or carry my daughter. I had it for 12 years.
5 weeks post-surgery I began tearing tendons in nearly every joint. Both pecs, shoulders, glutes, hamstrings, one adductor, one bicep, and one tricep. It took 1.5 years to identify my pelvis is tilted. A complete amateur found it. Not one ortho or anyone else noticed it. Someone studying to become an OT.
All from everyday activities at 39 years old. I took great care of my diet every day. Farmed in the summer and was an avid outdoorsman participating in hiking, camping, snowmobiling skiing, etc. Nothing to an extreme here there seemed no point in moguls for instance their terrible for your knees.
As I write this I can no longer "uppy" my 2 year old, roll around on the floor with her, or throw her a ball. When I walk more of my hamstrings tear. I no longer sleep and all the dreams I had taking my family on snowmobile trips, teaching my daughter to skate and swim, and things like that are gone in an instant. My pelvis is tilted after the hip surgery and it will never go back.
Surgeons tell me partials are not repaired and it wouldn't matter they would fail likely from the pelvis tilt.
At 39 no sport, exercise, or farm was worth debilitating pain and watching your daughter grow from the sidelines. Nothing I did was anything near these guys. Never used steroids because they break down tendons.
None of it mattered. If you want to live a long healthy life leave sports behind at 25, and focus on yoga for balance and strength or hopelessness will take you down as well. There's no Tylenol for 14x tendon and muscle injuries in 1 year.
I tore my last working rotator cuff while holding my daughter's hand while driving her home from daycare. It's the last pain-free thing I will have done for the rest of my life.
boohoo nobody cares buddy
@freeuse ah a body builder going for those gaaaaaaains at all costs. I hope your DNA has no compromises.
My point is the majority need to spread it out over time or end up broken early.
25:00
Listen to Dr. Chris....brilliant.😌
This is the kind of man and professional I would like to get my medical advice from. ☺
Do Lee Labrada for bodybuilding episode 3.
God, my muscles hurt when I see bodybuilders flex in these contests. It's an uncanny valley type of feeling. It's impressive, in a very disturbing way
Great video on Dorian and his injuries
I'm a bodybuilding champion, who retired at 35, and am now 40, with severe osteoarthritis in both hips, left knee problems, and multiple cervical spine bulging discs. Would I do it again? ABSOLUTELY....not.
"BALANCE"
Always fascinating:
Humans discover steroids: "Let's take that stuff like insane!"
Humans discover that steroids fuck you up: "Maybe we should be a bit careful with that stuff."
Some times later. "LET'S FREAKING GOOOOO! GIVE ME ALL OF IT!"
Correction, during Yates era, there were just as many types of AAS as there are today.