I wonder what that scale is really used for? We all know what's best with a cup of coffee in the morning.. But really, good vid would love to see more.
@shadowknowsjo, the quicklook was shot in an office, and they just showed that it's an easy device to clean. That's all. It's of course easy to compost in your home kitchen.
Hi guys. It's amazing, you spend a ton of money for a decent cuppa, and it still looks like tea. In Holland and Germany coffee is very important, but they don't spend half that kind of dosh. Marcel.
Down here in Germany, coffe is not "important". The most important thing on coffe here is that it needs to be cheap. Look at the beans and compare them to... just French one, which isn't far away.
Hi. I have a question about the Hario kettle. Will said that it was aluminum, but my package claimed that the Hario is stainless steel. Any more info on this? Thanks.
It's a cute system. Having said that, the Chemex system seems needlessly fussy and elaborate, given a full-immersion system like the Aeropress. Heck, why not just mix the water and ground coffee in a container, and then pour the slurry into the filter on the Chemex? It would be just as effective and less fussy, and really just speaks to the absurdity of some of these brewing systems. ;-) In fact, you could get just as good a result my mixing hot water and grounds in a container, and then filtering it through a metal filter and into a cup. That's far more economical and less ritualistic...
I wrote the company asking if my kettle is completely stainless steel, but haven't received an answer. Since you say that your Hario is aluminum (around the 4 minute mark) I was just wondering how you know. I will write the company again and see what they say. What version do you have? Maybe you have a different kettle. Mine is the buono v60 drip kettle and it says on the box "body/lid: Stainless Steel."
It is but the same coffee done in a french press doesn't taste the same when brewed with the kone+chemex. Rather than the coffee sitting in the water for 3 min the water is passing through the coffee. I make coffee with the Kone+Chemex EVERY morning
And how is it sad? It's fun and geeky to get into crafting something from scratch with the result being that you get to enjoy a delicious cup of coffee. Seriously, it's fun.
Thankfully there are now tons of knock-off versions of this for like $15. I didn't bite for the 90 bucks or whatever the kone was when released but i just recently bought a knock-off that is basically the same. Really nice coffee and I definitely notice a difference between the steel filter vs. paper.
You generally don't slurp unless you're doing a cupping... and you don't want to sample coffee when it's just been poured/piping hot, give it a minute or two to cool a bit, otherwise you're basically just registering heat - instead of the flavor of the coffee.
I want to screen-cap all of these comments for reference. In a couple decades specialty coffee will be treated with as much, or more respect than wine/whisky. It is certainly a considerable amount of work compared to what most of you are used to. But there's a massively noticeable difference between manually brewed coffee and the K-Cup stuff.. Keep an open mind and give it a try some time! You might understand why so much effort and care was put into it. If you don't like it, go Yelp about it ;)
So not going to go to that length for a 'perfect' cup of coffee, but I do have a coffee machine with a metal filter, and I like it a lot more than ones that us paper filters. mostly because it's easier to clean and don't need to spend money on the filters. I'm sure sure if their is a big difference with taste.
Yes. True, of course. I was just looking at the math. it also makes better tasting coffee than the paper filters. and yeah, waaaaay less landfill of little coffee diapers.
Has anyone tried the gold version? I know that gold plated stuff has a tendency to wear off, I wonder if this one has been given the test of time by anyone yet.
oh snaps i can't believe they didn't charge the chemex. this means heating the chemex to the temperature of the hot water because if the chemex is colder than the water, the coffee will taste sour when you pour over. thumbs ups so people can see this
Not with that teapot but under sufficient pressure water can go up to 370 ish degrees celcius and still remain in liquid form :) But yea.. in that normal boiler in stardard athmospheric pressure not a chance xD
Chemex filters are 100 for $9.00. One pot a day would be about $32.00 for a year or $64.00 if you make 2 pots of coffee a day (that's about 16 cups of coffee), BUT! A more reasonable person might buy the average brand at $1.80 for a hundred and for the price of this filter you could make 9 pots a day, roughly 72 cups per day. One pot per day would get you 10 years of filters. or so.
I'm originally from Melbourne Aust. who lives in NYC, in retrospect Melbournians are crazy. Drip coffee is basically a failure for theme. Instead the minimum requirement is espresso for $10,000 behemoths.
one of the main reasons for using the chemex is the thick filter...and for all those who say this is too complicated and their keurig or twenty dollar mr coffee is easier, youre obviously not into a really good cup of coffee, keurig coffee was grinded at least 3 months before you brew it, making it ridiculously stale, and those cheap coffee makers brew the coffee unevenly with colder than ideal water giving you a weak brew. comparing those to a chemex with fresh coffee is like comparing fish sticks to good sashimi, their both fish but completely different.
I just have a coffee machine at home. Doing all the work for me. I only need to add coffee beans and water, it even makes cappuccino if you attach the milk cooler to it (separate product of the same brand). It makes really good coffee/espresso/ristretto/cappuccino.
Reusable coffee filter: $3 at amazon. Paper filters: $0.50 for 100 filters. that's 120000 filters for $60. Assuming you make 3 pots of coffee per day (that's my average), you can make 10 years of coffee with paper filters for that price. Also, you don't have to clean the filter every time you make coffee, just throw the damn thing away.
The purpose of using metal filters is that it allows the coffee oils to go through the draw down, as opposed to paper filters that trap the oils. This affects the resulting flavor and body of the brewed coffee. If cost isn't an issue and you're going for a richer flavor, the Kone is great. If the cost is too much, then stick with paper filters. Choose what works for your personal situation.
MindOverEverything Looking back at chsxtian's original post, none of what is said makes any sense. The math doesn't add up. I'm not sure where chsxtian is buying Chemex paper filters where they cost $50/pack (according to his/her math, $0.50 X 100). You can find them for $8-14/pack, which makes them $0.08-0.14/filter. With chsxtian's math, how does $0.50/filter turn into $0.0005/filter ($60/120,000 = 0.0005)? Assuming that Chemex filters are being used during all this math, I'm not sure how 120,000 filters would be used for 10 years worth of coffee. (Using chsxtian's example, 3 filters/day X 365 days/year equals to 1095 filters/year. Multiply that by 10 years, and that's 10,950 filters, for ten years. I'm not sure where the conclusion of 120,000 filters being equal to ten years came from. Regardless of all the incorrect math, the argument comes down to taste preference. If you want the body and oils of French Press coffee but with the clean taste of paper filtered coffee, the Kone is right for you, if you're okay with the steep cost. If you'd like to be more economical and enjoy a thinner coffee body with maximum flavor, Chemex paper filters are for you. You can't equate a stainless steel filter and paper filters as offering the same thing when they each offer something completely different.
knifeforkandaspoon chsxtian secretly likes the coffee filter but rather than buying one he has to come up with reasons why it doesn't make sense financially to him. He's essentially arguing with himself. In order to validate his opinion he felt the need to post his faulty logic to others, in hopes that other people will chime in and agree with him. Thus supporting his delusion in believing this product is not worthwhile. Either that or he's a bitter person who cherry picks which videos he prefers to see on Tested, and since this one did not meet his expectations he had to fine something critical to say about it to vent his frustration.
knifeforkandaspoon Actually, chsxtian said he can buy 100 filters for 50 cents. I don't know where or how, but according to that his math makes sense. Although, he typed 120,000 instead of 12,000. ($60 / $0.5 * 100 filters) / 365 days / 3 filters per day = 10.96 years
I agree with some of the comments I am seeing here. This whole process seems way too complicated. I don't drink coffee, but I imagine you just wanna grab a quick cup and relax, not do a science experiment and wait.
Good idea for the economy typically. Many American made products are progressing towards higher quality. I mean if you look at a lot of the products we have manufactured in small countries overseas, the quality isn't very good either, often cheaply made with poor supervision.
I hate how they just throw away the grounds afterwards. Not only do coffee grounds make excellent compost, but it makes great fertilizer for any garden. I use in my vegetable garden and get super vegetables every year.
Brutal watching this video! Not trying to knock you guys, but some people like when videos get right to the point. There's a lot of pointless conversation that takes place. Sorry, couldn't watch past 6 minutes! By the way, a video like this should never be more than 10 minutes long!
+asotolp They're obsessing over the last micro steps toward perfection! If you round corners a little you can get almost as good a cup and have MUCH more time for other things in life! I use a cheap Krups blade grinder, an insulted Nissan coffee press, an ordinary tea kettle for heating water, and, if necessary, a microwave from time to time. I know my cup won't be as good as this but its a huge improvement over the old percolator method of my parents generation and doesn't take much more time than that old method.
Great video, I have been reviewing different beans from roasters around the UK, all of these reviews are on my channel, please feel free to check them out and let me know what you think!
This is the best parody of hipsters making coffee I have ever seen!
Pre-wet... Is that also called blooming?
If you pre-wet the coffee then yes, if you pre-wet the filter then no.
i am a huge coffee drinker so this was a beautiful review thank you guys :)
thanks for the video guys. I just bought this and love it. I needed a bit more information to help with the brewing process.
We don't make enough compostable waste in the office to compost, but I compost my grounds at home.
would it all spontaneously convert to vapor form if suddenly returned to normal atmospheric pressure?
I wonder what that scale is really used for?
We all know what's best with a cup of coffee in the morning..
But really, good vid would love to see more.
What makes this system better then the Coffee Machine I have at home that uses a metal filter and it will automake my coffee in the morning.
I have a french press, but I may have to try this chem-ex thing.
@shadowknowsjo, the quicklook was shot in an office, and they just showed that it's an easy device to clean. That's all. It's of course easy to compost in your home kitchen.
Love the viewmaster shirt!
is that Local 123? such a great spot!
Hi guys.
It's amazing, you spend a ton of money for a decent cuppa, and it still looks like tea.
In Holland and Germany coffee is very important, but they don't spend half that kind of dosh.
Marcel.
+Marcel Timmers all my family just put two coffee spoons in a cup and put half liter boiling water in :D greetings from germany :D
Down here in Germany, coffe is not "important". The most important thing on coffe here is that it needs to be cheap. Look at the beans and compare them to... just French one, which isn't far away.
i know whats gonna be on my christmas list!!
What is the name of the tool that you heat your water up in?
ok u do some rocket sience with this coffee, and then u put it in a PAPERCUP?...^^
Hi. I have a question about the Hario kettle. Will said that it was aluminum, but my package claimed that the Hario is stainless steel. Any more info on this? Thanks.
It's a cute system. Having said that, the Chemex system seems needlessly fussy and elaborate, given a full-immersion system like the Aeropress. Heck, why not just mix the water and ground coffee in a container, and then pour the slurry into the filter on the Chemex? It would be just as effective and less fussy, and really just speaks to the absurdity of some of these brewing systems. ;-) In fact, you could get just as good a result my mixing hot water and grounds in a container, and then filtering it through a metal filter and into a cup. That's far more economical and less ritualistic...
What you described would be a french press. The difference here is the time the water takes to pass the grind and that results in a different taste.
does it fit in chemex for 1-3 person?
Is there a Kone model that is designed to fit the Chemex CM-1C?
Is that glass toughened? I'm scared to use a glass because i feel like it would smash... HMM.
chemexs are very fragile unless you buy the handblown chemexs that are over 100 dollars
How do you keep it from cloggin? or how do i unclogg it? I washed it everytime after each use but it still goes down slowly.
Christian Muñoz your grind is too fine if this keeps happening. adjust your grind to make it coarser
Thanks, 'that makes sense
Who washes their filter above the trash can? :D
I wrote the company asking if my kettle is completely stainless steel, but haven't received an answer. Since you say that your Hario is aluminum (around the 4 minute mark) I was just wondering how you know. I will write the company again and see what they say. What version do you have? Maybe you have a different kettle. Mine is the buono v60 drip kettle and it says on the box "body/lid: Stainless Steel."
I received a reply from Hario and they said that the v60 Buono kettle is stainless steel and does not contain aluminum.
It is but the same coffee done in a french press doesn't taste the same when brewed with the kone+chemex. Rather than the coffee sitting in the water for 3 min the water is passing through the coffee.
I make coffee with the Kone+Chemex EVERY morning
Why do you specify the volume in grams instead of litres?
And how is it sad? It's fun and geeky to get into crafting something from scratch with the result being that you get to enjoy a delicious cup of coffee. Seriously, it's fun.
They actually have the brewing system on their webpage avaiable
Thankfully there are now tons of knock-off versions of this for like $15. I didn't bite for the 90 bucks or whatever the kone was when released but i just recently bought a knock-off that is basically the same. Really nice coffee and I definitely notice a difference between the steel filter vs. paper.
You generally don't slurp unless you're doing a cupping... and you don't want to sample coffee when it's just been poured/piping hot, give it a minute or two to cool a bit, otherwise you're basically just registering heat - instead of the flavor of the coffee.
under atmospheric pressure (~1 bar) water boils at ~100c. at higher pressure, it's boiling point is higher. (and under lower pressure it's lower)
You should've pour the water in circular motion around the filter to get a perfect distirbution of water into the coffee
I want to screen-cap all of these comments for reference. In a couple decades specialty coffee will be treated with as much, or more respect than wine/whisky. It is certainly a considerable amount of work compared to what most of you are used to. But there's a massively noticeable difference between manually brewed coffee and the K-Cup stuff.. Keep an open mind and give it a try some time! You might understand why so much effort and care was put into it. If you don't like it, go Yelp about it ;)
so...are they making coffee or is this somekind of chemistry video???
So not going to go to that length for a 'perfect' cup of coffee, but I do have a coffee machine with a metal filter, and I like it a lot more than ones that us paper filters. mostly because it's easier to clean and don't need to spend money on the filters. I'm sure sure if their is a big difference with taste.
Yes. True, of course. I was just looking at the math. it also makes better tasting coffee than the paper filters. and yeah, waaaaay less landfill of little coffee diapers.
Has anyone tried the gold version? I know that gold plated stuff has a tendency to wear off, I wonder if this one has been given the test of time by anyone yet.
200F maybe? water boils at 100C. lol
+Circuit Bender Unless they use a pressure cooker :D
steamed coffee is where it's at
I think the main idea behind a reusable filter like this is less landfill waste.
A tested coffee video, Awesome!
You can get quality metal filters for commercial coffee brewers, which would be a HELL of a lot easier than this process.
It would "flashboil" and turn into vapor instantly :)
oh snaps i can't believe they didn't charge the chemex. this means heating the chemex to the temperature of the hot water because if the chemex is colder than the water, the coffee will taste sour when you pour over. thumbs ups so people can see this
I am sure it makes a great cup of coffee but it's way too many steps to do early in the morning before the first cup! ;)
Man you're so weird, you dumping water in your trash can?!
Not with that teapot but under sufficient pressure water can go up to 370 ish degrees celcius and still remain in liquid form :) But yea.. in that normal boiler in stardard athmospheric pressure not a chance xD
i ddont thin he knows how celsius works
Sure, it's expensive, but to some, it's worth it. You can also do all of this for so much cheaper than they did.
200 Celcius?
Celcius?
Chemex filters are 100 for $9.00. One pot a day would be about $32.00 for a year or $64.00 if you make 2 pots of coffee a day (that's about 16 cups of coffee), BUT! A more reasonable person might buy the average brand at $1.80 for a hundred and for the price of this filter you could make 9 pots a day, roughly 72 cups per day. One pot per day would get you 10 years of filters. or so.
"sluurrrp Norm!!!"
Yeah, that stuff isn't under pressure, so you can't reach 200C. Obviously he ment 200 Fahrenheit = 93.33 which is excellent for coffee.
didn't they have coffee pots like that from the 70's? Well I think the whole set is cool.
Pretty neat, way too fancy for me, I put the filter in, put the coffee grounds in, put the water in the machine, hit start, wait for it to finish...
All this work and expense for a damn cup of coffee?
what "kone" means in english? Google translate doesn't understand it. "Kone" in Finnish means Machine.
+Car Fanatic its cone misspelled with k, meaning the conical shape of the Kone
+P kyle (M0RF3U5) kone, it's actually the name of the cone
I'm originally from Melbourne Aust. who lives in NYC, in retrospect Melbournians are crazy. Drip coffee is basically a failure for theme. Instead the minimum requirement is espresso for $10,000 behemoths.
yeah i forget some people still use non metric scales.
Did i really just sit here and watch two guys make coffee for twelve minutes?
he said 200 degrees Celsius, that is impossible for just brewing coffee, i think he meant Fahrenheit
one of the main reasons for using the chemex is the thick filter...and for all those who say this is too complicated and their keurig or twenty dollar mr coffee is easier, youre obviously not into a really good cup of coffee, keurig coffee was grinded at least 3 months before you brew it, making it ridiculously stale, and those cheap coffee makers brew the coffee unevenly with colder than ideal water giving you a weak brew. comparing those to a chemex with fresh coffee is like comparing fish sticks to good sashimi, their both fish but completely different.
I just have a coffee machine at home. Doing all the work for me. I only need to add coffee beans and water, it even makes cappuccino if you attach the milk cooler to it (separate product of the same brand). It makes really good coffee/espresso/ristretto/cappuccino.
In what universe is "made in USA" a good thing?
200C? o_O Thats in the range of superheated steam...
Reusable coffee filter: $3 at amazon.
Paper filters: $0.50 for 100 filters. that's 120000 filters for $60. Assuming you make 3 pots of coffee per day (that's my average), you can make 10 years of coffee with paper filters for that price. Also, you don't have to clean the filter every time you make coffee, just throw the damn thing away.
The purpose of using metal filters is that it allows the coffee oils to go through the draw down, as opposed to paper filters that trap the oils. This affects the resulting flavor and body of the brewed coffee. If cost isn't an issue and you're going for a richer flavor, the Kone is great. If the cost is too much, then stick with paper filters. Choose what works for your personal situation.
MindOverEverything Looking back at chsxtian's original post, none of what is said makes any sense. The math doesn't add up.
I'm not sure where chsxtian is buying Chemex paper filters where they cost $50/pack (according to his/her math, $0.50 X 100). You can find them for $8-14/pack, which makes them $0.08-0.14/filter. With chsxtian's math, how does $0.50/filter turn into $0.0005/filter ($60/120,000 = 0.0005)? Assuming that Chemex filters are being used during all this math, I'm not sure how 120,000 filters would be used for 10 years worth of coffee. (Using chsxtian's example, 3 filters/day X 365 days/year equals to 1095 filters/year. Multiply that by 10 years, and that's 10,950 filters, for ten years. I'm not sure where the conclusion of 120,000 filters being equal to ten years came from.
Regardless of all the incorrect math, the argument comes down to taste preference. If you want the body and oils of French Press coffee but with the clean taste of paper filtered coffee, the Kone is right for you, if you're okay with the steep cost. If you'd like to be more economical and enjoy a thinner coffee body with maximum flavor, Chemex paper filters are for you. You can't equate a stainless steel filter and paper filters as offering the same thing when they each offer something completely different.
knifeforkandaspoon chsxtian secretly likes the coffee filter but rather than buying one he has to come up with reasons why it doesn't make sense financially to him. He's essentially arguing with himself. In order to validate his opinion he felt the need to post his faulty logic to others, in hopes that other people will chime in and agree with him. Thus supporting his delusion in believing this product is not worthwhile. Either that or he's a bitter person who cherry picks which videos he prefers to see on Tested, and since this one did not meet his expectations he had to fine something critical to say about it to vent his frustration.
knifeforkandaspoon
Actually, chsxtian said he can buy 100 filters for 50 cents. I don't know where or how, but according to that his math makes sense. Although, he typed 120,000 instead of 12,000.
($60 / $0.5 * 100 filters) / 365 days / 3 filters per day = 10.96 years
This is also the most time consuming ridiculous thing. The last thing I want to do in the morning is a 15 step process to make a cup of coffee.
You guys completely sucked the joy out of coffee brewing for me biggest goofs ever
I wonder if there's major coffee fans that get furiously angry or extremely sad when a coffee product is delayed, like when a video game is delayed.
I agree with some of the comments I am seeing here. This whole process seems way too complicated. I don't drink coffee, but I imagine you just wanna grab a quick cup and relax, not do a science experiment and wait.
200 degrees c ?? thats a bit hot guys ! water boils at 100c
200 degrees celsius water, nice pressure you must have there
Good idea for the economy typically. Many American made products are progressing towards higher quality. I mean if you look at a lot of the products we have manufactured in small countries overseas, the quality isn't very good either, often cheaply made with poor supervision.
I hate how they just throw away the grounds afterwards. Not only do coffee grounds make excellent compost, but it makes great fertilizer for any garden. I use in my vegetable garden and get super vegetables every year.
Paper filters catch all the oil & all the other good stuff,with the metal filter you get all the oils & good stuff, fuller flava.comprenez-vous
200c??? WOW!!
I would figure 160-210f would be fine..
Will looks like he just woke up... or wired on coffe, lol!
coffee mania!!!
Then he drinks his coffee from a paper cup.....
Brutal watching this video! Not trying to knock you guys, but some people like when videos get right to the point. There's a lot of pointless conversation that takes place. Sorry, couldn't watch past 6 minutes! By the way, a video like this should never be more than 10 minutes long!
+asotolp They're obsessing over the last micro steps toward perfection! If you round corners a little you can get almost as good a cup and have MUCH more time for other things in life! I use a cheap Krups blade grinder, an insulted Nissan coffee press, an ordinary tea kettle for heating water, and, if necessary, a microwave from time to time. I know my cup won't be as good as this but its a huge improvement over the old percolator method of my parents generation and doesn't take much more time than that old method.
If you want great coffee come to Portugal or Italy. Don't go full hipster.
no problem
You have know idea how Celsius works
You have no idea how to proofread.
I still can't believe I spent $150 for the full system...
Great video, I have been reviewing different beans from roasters around the UK, all of these reviews are on my channel, please feel free to check them out and let me know what you think!
why the fuck would I want that plastic rim? I bought the chemex to eliminate plastic.
Why am I watching this? I only watch the videos with Adam...
Here in Finland we have this thing called coffeemaker :P
Just for a cup of coffee
Cool but I'm not into it. 2 canteen cups a ultra fine mesh stainless filter some coffee and creek water. Nothing else is needed for my morning ritual.
That is a lot of damn work for a cup of joe.
Cone reviews
200 degree water, measuring liquids in grams... Just use a coffee pot
A água deveria estar a 94ºC!!!! =)
soooooo complicated
This video is an amalgam of good and bad coffee practices, and these comments threaten to drive me to suicide.
$60! Really?
with around 15.5 bars of pressure you can get that...
but it's gonna ruin your coffee completely
Jesus is it so hard to ask for a fucking filter with no plastic. and a brewing device I dont need shitty paper filters for
dude, cant you see he boils the water under pressure :PPPP
Who pours water into a bin? : /
To be hones, a french press is so much simpler...