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Certifications required to sell a new electronic product
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- Опубліковано 13 лют 2023
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Excellent!
Thank you!
Thanks for the awesome video again, and for listening to our suggestions! This was super useful!
Thank you Gabriel and I always appreciate new content ideas. Glad it was useful for you! Thanks for the comment!
That was great ! Thank you for the in depth explanation of the required certifications and for clearing many things up ! Especially after the last bonus tip : there is hope ! 🤗
Thank you, and I'm really glad to hear it cleared up many things for you!
Great video thank you.
You are most welcome Dion!
That is awesome specially last bonus tip otherwise, I assumed that businesses are much harder. Where we can have FCC intentional radiators classification and how much units are excluded for sales trial?
thanks a lot for this great illustration 😊, i have designed a product and it contains wireless functionality (GPS and 4G antennas) would you please recommend a 3rd party company to test these antennas performance for me and suggest for fine tuning ?
Great video! One question about the sales test: do I have to declare these products as part of a test? These sales test units won't have a proper FCC ID, and so in theory could be cited by the FCC, correct? Is there some sort of an official declaration or paperwork that should be shipped with the product? Thx!
Fantastic video. This was exactly what I was looking for! If your design uses a lithium battery what what certification would you need to for small sales tests?
Awesome to hear, thanks Dusty! Most lithium batteries are already certified. Only new custom shaped batteries need new certifications. Thanks for commenting!
Hey John! I loved te bonus tip & I can see in the comments that other people too! Quick questions: If the device is not certified, what is the process for the sale to customers? Would you suggest making a form or stating that the device is still a "protrotype" to raise awareness for the customer & derisk it for the entrepreneurs? Can the device be sold through normal sales channel (ex: through the companies standard website/e-commerce) or is there a recommended approach?
Well it depends on the product. If it requires UL certification for safety (such if it plugs into an AC outlet), then it can be risky for you so I'd definitely get customers to sign a safety waiver. If it is classified as an intentional radiator by the FCC then you need that certification before any sales. But if you have no wireless functions or use pre-certified wireless modules then you would be considered a non-intentional radiator so you can do a sales test before getting that cert. Hope this helps.
What if its IR instead of RF? Excellent video too btw! very clear!
There's no risk of IR interfering with communication over large distances like with RF, so IR is just like any other electronic circuit in regards to certifications.
Thank you so much, this was incredibly helpful! I assume the bonus tip also counts for devices that run off a certified 12V wall charger/supply?
Great to hear, thank you. Yes it also counts for a 12V wall supply.
Thanks for the clarifiying video, it really helped making things about product certification clear.
But what about the exemption from doing the certifications in case of small sales tests of few hundred units (in case of unintentional radiator and not connected to mains)? How this thing is regulated and what are the conditions? Can you please share any resources about this point?
Great to hear, thank you!
Keep in mind that UL certification is not really a legal requirement, only the FCC. So if your product is extremely unlikely to injure someone, and you use certified batteries, and it doesn't plug into the mains then selling a couple hundred units really is no issue.
But as for FCC and sales tests it's somewhere there in the federal regulations I referred to in the video. You should be able to find these regs online and search them for more details. Certifications really cross over into the world of law and legal experts. So I have to say I'm not an attorney and this is not legal advice:)
Thanks for a very instructive video. Can FCC emissions certification be avoided if the MPU clock, even if greater than 9KHz, comes from an internal oscillator (i.e. on the MPU die or at least within the device package), is not exposed on a device pin, and by (software) design, no device pins will toggle above 9KHz?
Hi Dale, thanks for the question. You would still need FCC non-intentional radiator authorization but not full certification. RF emissions will be radiated by that MPU, and that plastic chip enclosure won't stop them:)
What's your opinion on ISCET certifications?
Sorry, I'm not familiar with that certification.
Thanks for sharing this informations and simplifying it four us. Your courses aren't in my budget meanwhile the other content is helping me a lot. As you can tell if your academy is't in my budget the certification's arent eather. (I'm just high school student who wants to make a tiny affordable product four small market withou any considerable profits just to create a competition and drive prices down. Witch is possible if i don't need to pay the certification.) My product needs to be very small witch comprimizes use of esp32 modules so the product is going to fall under the intentional radiators category and i can't afford even certification four use of lithium battery. My initial idea was to sell the electronics and the enclosure as separate parts and does selling just component's witch, as i hope, do not need certification. Do you have any tips other than don't doing it?
Thanks for reaching out. If your goal is to not make any profit and only to drive prices down that will be almost impossible. It's expensive to launch a new product and with no profits it will be very difficult to scale up volume. Best wishes!
If you use pre-certified esp32 modules then you dont need FCC intentional radiator testing. Check the fcc grant notes for the specific modules for restrictions. You would need SAR testing if it’s designed to be used less than 15cm from the body. Also, there are a lot of other countries outside the US that can be considered
Hi! Thank you so much for your video. I have a question for you that maybe you can help me. If I want to commercialize electronic components and printed circuit boards and sell them overseas, what type of certification do I need?
I can definitely help you with that but it's too complicated to answer here in the comments section for your specific project. I'll be happy to help you further inside my Hardware Academy.
I'm wondering if you build a product, with parts that have already been certified, do you need to certify the end product ?
Let's say I pre-built computers with off the shelf parts, does it need to be certified ?
Yes, you absolutely do. The end product has to be certified. But it will usually be easier and cheaper to get certified than a fully custom design.
@@PredictableDesigns Thanks for the input!
Excellent presentation. What kind of safety certifcation do one for phone wall chargers. How much would it cost? I was about getting a wall charger for retail market and they need a safety complaince certificate for the peoduct. Does it worth do you have the cost and which company perfoms the tests
Thank you! If it's a totally new wall charger then it needs UL safety certification which costs about $10k.
Thanks for your response. The charger is not really new they have it selling already but I wanted to get under a different brand name so they retail outlet now requires safety document for my own brand. That's the summary. Which company's does it here in the states so I could get an idea of what it will cost. I already decided to leave the project but after seeing your video decided to visit it again. Thanks for your help
What if your product consists of an already certified development board and an already certified sensor? Do you still need to go through a certification process?
Yes. The entire product must be certified, not just the components. But using pre-certified modules, etc does simplify certification and reduces the cost a lot.
@@PredictableDesigns Thanks!
So if I were to sell an RC car for instance, how much could I expect to pay in certification fees(roughly)?
It depends if you use a pre-certified transmitter or custom design your own. Costs to get FCC will be from a couple thousand up to over $10k.
Is WEEE a certification and/or required? It's the trash can icon that's X'd out
WEEE is required only in the EU. This regulation works in conjunction with RoHS. RoHS regulates the hazardous materials used in electronic products, and WEEE regulates the safe disposal of the product.
Also, you mentioned that you are allowed to sell and ship these products under the first few hundred units without any certification?
Correct, but only if your product is a non-intentional radiator and has no safety risks.
It's a shame that the barrier of entry of these certs keeps so many people from either launching their product or needing funding so high they loose control of their company. Especially now that getting pcbs and parts are so easy to get logistically.
True, but luckily there are ways to drastically reduce these costs, and you don't usually need them until after you've produced a couple hundred units and have done sales tests. This way you know these costs will repay you in sales. Thanks for your comment.
@@PredictableDesigns For sure, I wish there was a firm that gets a product compliant for a royalties and such. By the way your channel truly is a gold mine. I do branding for some tech companies and some times startup tech, while I'm a maker I'm not on their scale. I've seen things go so belly up over not just complaint cost but also protocols that require licensing fees that take people by storm.
Is there an international certification
Nope, but that would be nice!
@@PredictableDesigns yeah why do the network guys have cisco? The IEEE or some other official body should issue one such certification
Currently using an FCC certified ESP32. So for the device, you're saying I can wait until after I've made 100+ units before doing any certifications? And these 100 units, what level of molding should they be? We're planning on doing injection molding so is it ok to do the certifications after we've opened the mold (which we'll need to do to make the 100 units). Or is it risky to do certifications after started molding?
Yes, as long as it's not a medical device, food product, or some type of product with extra layers of safety certifications. Also can't plug into AC outlet. A plastic enclosure won't have a huge impact, but wait until after you have molded enclosures to use for certs. Delay those certs as long as possible until you know for sure you will more than get your money back in profit.
@@PredictableDesigns That for me is confusing b/c our molding costs are substantially more (10x) than the cert costs. For us it seems to make more sense to do the certs first and then molding.
Also, what about testing for a device that incorporates wireless charging?