This is all a great example of putting something out there and then getting feedback. Some of it is very accurate (yeah I suck at guitar, but I'm working on it!), some of it is sometimes caustic (Aidan clearly is not a fan) ... but even within the nastiness there is valuable stuff ... Aidan clearly didn't get the message I was meaning to send, and he was distracted with me talking about myself ... these are things I'd think about before ever giving this sort of talk again. So thanks Aidan.
Interesting, I agree it wasn't my best talk, but I am worried that my main point was completely missed (my fault if so). My point was that students don't care about their assignments BECAUSE educators give them assignments that have no value outside the classroom ... like building a guitar that will immediately be destroyed ... the problem is not with the students per se, it's with us, the educators. We need to give students assignments they will actually care about if we want them to learn
Honestly my favourite prof. Besides the fact that I think you're awesome, the TED talk had a very intuitive format and showed possibilities to improve teaching/learning environments. Nice
Great message Steve! You bring up some excellent points...we learn by doing...pick the brains of those that have created success before you....students are disengaged because they are jumping through hoops to get a mark on things they don't see relevance in and don't care about. In addition we are teaching outdated information that is not helping them create a successful future. We must bring new thinking to education.
This talk gets to the core of how what every child needs to learn. A reason more than a grade. I heard this while cooking dinner. It was a video that followed the one I chose, I didn't choose it. I thought it sounded corny at first but I kept listening. My children are all grown now but they went back and forth between public, private and unschooling. This talk hits of a very important message. I hope everyone takes the time to listen to the end.
Clearly some people are just critics, it was a great talk, and if you look into some of the work Joordens has done than no one would be making unwarranted and empty claims about the prof not being a great one. As Bob Dylan once said, dont criticize what you dont understand
I like the Telecaster knobs you chose, good choice for a simple two-knob arrangement. I notice you color coordinated your wardrobe with Mr. Hyde's color scheme. Again, good choice.
Tuning your guitar is basic, how would you react if students came for some important event, like a test, completely unprepared? I tried, I really did..
The guitar and his playing was merely a thematic prop. What you’ve done is akin to judging the performance of a concert violinist based upon vocal timbre of inane between song banter.
you missed the whole point to the talk. It wasn't about the guitar. The key is 14 minutes in, the shredder part is symbolic with writing a paper just to get a grade and nothing will every come of the info you collected. There is no end purpose other than getting a grade. It needs to be more than that. He built a guitar to actually play it so he made the effort to learn all about it. He went online, he met people with knowledge, he built it till it worked, he was able to play it. A process that permeates in your brain. Not all learning can be this way but a lot more learning should be this way.
Great talk, btw I have never been more engaged on any course than your psychology course with Coursera. I never did science in school and you have opened up my mind literally, with this subject. Yesterday I went to our local library and borrowed every book on the topic, it's fascinating. Thank you so much from a cognitive cannibal :)
I really like what he is saying, it's true. I quit school cause I felt like doing absolutely nothing with any purpose except for the grades. But he should've had his amp actually turned on and his strings being tuned... that'd be nice
Thank you Steve, that's really why I ,as a student, hate the current education system and that's what I hope everyone, especially teachers can realize and do something to make a difference. Thank your for spreading these valuable points
Your welcome Prof. Steve. Education, like the mass of our age's inventions, is after all, only a tool; everything depends upon the workman who uses it. Glad to know I was of help in making your 'tools' have a sharper edge.
Awesome. Never had him has a prof but I really enjoyed the ted talk. The guitar example is great! The example and the speech is about applicability of knowledge learned in the classroom. What's not to like?
I thought your point came across very strongly, though I do question your knowledge of the British public education system in the time of Syd Barrett. Hearing stories from those who were in school at the same time, The Wall, from what I can gather, appears to be horrifyingly accurate. Thankfully we've come a long way since then!
This reminds of me of another TED talk done by Sir Ken Robinson. It's quite popular and I found it very intriguing. It's called "Schools Kill Creativity". Unfortunately, I cannot link it because youtube won't allow it. Hopefully someone is interested enough to check it out!
Education isn't a tool, it's an act, a way of living, a way of being. If education, as a notion, was thought to be as tangible as a tool, it wouldn't be as permeable and potent in resolving our world's problems today as we know it.
...presenting them to students and that things are much more interesting if they are relevant. I believe there can be damage done when students challenge the status quo and general irrelevance of the curriculum when teachers respond with the subtle violence of attempting to shove the student back into a box. Also, you said that the education system got you where you are, so it can't be that bad, but you are a very intelligent individual. The strengths of some lie in areas neglected by schools.
HAHA! LOVE IT! I can certainly implement it with my kids' homeschooling. I find your lectures and talks VERY entertaining and educational. I am lazy to learn, but can't wait for your next MOOC. ;-) #Cognitive Cannibals!
I think you may underestimate the shortcomings of the school system. There is much damage that can be done; emotional, intellectual and otherwise that can significantly impact a persons life without leading to a complete breakdown or insanity. I understand that you are a teacher so have cause to defend schools, but a university is a private institution quite apart from the public system. That being said i agree entirely with your basic premise that schools often kill or neuter subjects before...
this guy is talking shit the wall was both about sid barret and roger waters and the school system idea was on rogers life and how the teachers dis inspired him and teachers would put down the children this was in the 50s I myself am 38 and found school negative half the time
Great idea...took too long to get to the point. I fell asleep. I appreciate it though not trying to be mean because I noticed you're great at teaching psych on coursera.
he must have accidentally hit the tuning pegs or something there is no way anyone with guitar experience, would play that far out of tune like its not even close
The irony also being found in the wish to impart a love of learning by a lover of learning. Better to extract an outline of the students [non relationship] love or passion and steer the "school" toward that. There is a science and history to every passion - from snowboarding to body rock; Stravinsky to break-dancing. If a school adopted a curriculum centred on the world and interests of the students themselves, I believe that that school would eventually outstrip....
There's a reason why the make strats primarily out of alder or ash and les pauls and prs out of mahogany. Cause they sound great. Being different for the sake of difference is pointless. Its good to learn from experience. Like the point made about building something you care for vs the struggle for a mark. Regarding the song. A Double negative is an affirmative. Therefore we need education, obviously the right way. Your guitar is so out of tune Bro. Get a tuner....
+Panagiotis Matsikoudis While technically correct, your point about the double negative is somewhat negated by two things. First, the colloquial use of the double negative is, as we all know, an even more emphatic negative. Secondly, double negatives are used in Romance languages, so they're not entirely foreign to our speech. Just sayin'.
+Panagiotis Matsikoudis As for your point about the wood bodies, again, technically you're correct in your assessment. But I invite you to consider maybe a deeper point in Steve's argument: That experimentation - trial and error, if you will - is a far better teacher than is following orthodoxy. Hopefully, next time he'll decide ash or alder is the better choice ;-)
+Ronald Light To be fair I recently played a full mahogany strat with humbuckers and I was truly impressed. Taste is subjective so reconsidering I believe artistic licence should be given in cases like this... (but the tuner?!) :-)
*Not lazy to learn - lazy to spend the time required. Hubby teases me because I buy every self-improvement book, but make him read it and tell me what he learned.
MasterP48HD true, my favorite example of this is the van halen tune that says "only time will tel if we pass the test of time" or the maccartney tune that says "in this ever changing world in which we live in"
+roman14032 He sings "in which we're living" in live and let die. The Floyd song employs that double negative ironically, and to show that it's still easy to understand someone without a flawless and educated manner of speaking. Can't defend Van Halen.
I'm presuming, unlike me, you've never been in the third world and met a genuinely starving person and tried to do something REAL to change that life. Therefore, applying the same logic you apply in your comment, if you've never been in that particular place, in front of those particular people, you know nothing about being hungry. Twaddle about building a guitar and assuming something profound happened is, and will always be, self-obsessed.
We all want progress, we all want things to be right, to be fair, to be equal, for others to be enlightened, motivated, encouraged to push their limits. But if you're on the wrong road, as this Prof so very clearly is, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. And 'first year psych' is never ever going to teach anyone that.
Pink Floyd did not mean public education, but the education system of England in the 50's, the mental and physical torturing of the kids by frustrated teachers.
lol i have two key problems w/ this talk (aside form the fact that it is a terrible ted talk like all ted talks) the first is that as an adult man working as a teacher why is his mother giving him like 100 dollars for his birthday imo that is fucked up lol, second thing he is not that good at guitar lol :)
You just made yourself look really stupid. All Dennis is saying is that you are judging this Professor without having met him, and that Joordens is likely one of the best first year psych teachers out there. There is NOTHING illogical about that. Your example using hunger is neither necessary nor relevant. Also, it is profound what Joorden is doing. He's making the point that a lot of students don't care about their work, which is important. You should be thankful he even brought this up.
Professor Steve Joordens, you rock!
Greetings from Coursera. ;)
This is all a great example of putting something out there and then getting feedback. Some of it is very accurate (yeah I suck at guitar, but I'm working on it!), some of it is sometimes caustic (Aidan clearly is not a fan) ... but even within the nastiness there is valuable stuff ... Aidan clearly didn't get the message I was meaning to send, and he was distracted with me talking about myself ... these are things I'd think about before ever giving this sort of talk again. So thanks Aidan.
Interesting, I agree it wasn't my best talk, but I am worried that my main point was completely missed (my fault if so). My point was that students don't care about their assignments BECAUSE educators give them assignments that have no value outside the classroom ... like building a guitar that will immediately be destroyed ... the problem is not with the students per se, it's with us, the educators. We need to give students assignments they will actually care about if we want them to learn
Thank you, Steve Joordens! You're a fantastic professor!
*let me turn the tuner off* -guitar out of tune
Honestly my favourite prof. Besides the fact that I think you're awesome, the TED talk had a very intuitive format and showed possibilities to improve teaching/learning environments. Nice
Great message Steve! You bring up some excellent points...we learn by doing...pick the brains of those that have created success before you....students are disengaged because they are jumping through hoops to get a mark on things they don't see relevance in and don't care about. In addition we are teaching outdated information that is not helping them create a successful future.
We must bring new thinking to education.
This talk gets to the core of how what every child needs to learn. A reason more than a grade.
I heard this while cooking dinner. It was a video that followed the one I chose, I didn't choose it. I thought it sounded corny at first but I kept listening. My children are all grown now but they went back and forth between public, private and unschooling. This talk hits of a very important message. I hope everyone takes the time to listen to the end.
Literally the best person I've ever came across!
Clearly some people are just critics, it was a great talk, and if you look into some of the work Joordens has done than no one would be making unwarranted and empty claims about the prof not being a great one. As Bob Dylan once said, dont criticize what you dont understand
I like the Telecaster knobs you chose, good choice for a simple two-knob arrangement. I notice you color coordinated your wardrobe with Mr. Hyde's color scheme. Again, good choice.
Tuning your guitar is basic, how would you react if students came for some important event, like a test, completely unprepared? I tried, I really did..
Yeah I noticed it too.
The guitar and his playing was merely a thematic prop. What you’ve done is akin to judging the performance of a concert violinist based upon vocal timbre of inane between song banter.
you missed the whole point to the talk. It wasn't about the guitar. The key is 14 minutes in, the shredder part is symbolic with writing a paper just to get a grade and nothing will every come of the info you collected. There is no end purpose other than getting a grade. It needs to be more than that. He built a guitar to actually play it so he made the effort to learn all about it. He went online, he met people with knowledge, he built it till it worked, he was able to play it. A process that permeates in your brain. Not all learning can be this way but a lot more learning should be this way.
Great talk, btw I have never been more engaged on any course than your psychology course with Coursera. I never did science in school and you have opened up my mind literally, with this subject. Yesterday I went to our local library and borrowed every book on the topic, it's fascinating. Thank you so much from a cognitive cannibal :)
I really like what he is saying, it's true. I quit school cause I felt like doing absolutely nothing with any purpose except for the grades.
But he should've had his amp actually turned on and his strings being tuned... that'd be nice
....all of our classical and hallowed halls in creative productivity. I hear what you're doing Steve...Good Job!
"I let them do their thing, and it was a really kinda cool vibe." Or '60s attitudes are still with us. Amen.
Thank you Steve, that's really why I ,as a student, hate the current education system and that's what I hope everyone, especially teachers can realize and do something to make a difference. Thank your for spreading these valuable points
Your welcome Prof. Steve. Education, like the mass of our age's inventions, is after all, only a tool; everything depends upon the workman who uses it. Glad to know I was of help in making your 'tools' have a sharper edge.
Woah, that was the most awkward ted talk opening I've seen yet! LOL
Awesome. Never had him has a prof but I really enjoyed the ted talk. The guitar example is great! The example and the speech is about applicability of knowledge learned in the classroom. What's not to like?
I thought your point came across very strongly, though I do question your knowledge of the British public education system in the time of Syd Barrett. Hearing stories from those who were in school at the same time, The Wall, from what I can gather, appears to be horrifyingly accurate. Thankfully we've come a long way since then!
Very nice. A lil rough in some parts, but damn ya'll take it easy now!
i swear im considering coming to toronto just to meet u in person :D love him as a prof on coursera, such a great lecturer
good job
He is a very hard prof. But, his content is very thick which keeps me away from my flaccid state.
This reminds of me of another TED talk done by Sir Ken Robinson. It's quite popular and I found it very intriguing. It's called "Schools Kill Creativity". Unfortunately, I cannot link it because youtube won't allow it. Hopefully someone is interested enough to check it out!
Education isn't a tool, it's an act, a way of living, a way of being. If education, as a notion, was thought to be as tangible as a tool, it wouldn't be as permeable and potent in resolving our world's problems today as we know it.
smooth like always
...presenting them to students and that things are much more interesting if they are relevant. I believe there can be damage done when students challenge the status quo and general irrelevance of the curriculum when teachers respond with the subtle violence of attempting to shove the student back into a box. Also, you said that the education system got you where you are, so it can't be that bad, but you are a very intelligent individual. The strengths of some lie in areas neglected by schools.
HAHA! LOVE IT! I can certainly implement it with my kids' homeschooling.
I find your lectures and talks VERY entertaining and educational. I am lazy to learn, but can't wait for your next MOOC. ;-)
#Cognitive Cannibals!
I think you may underestimate the shortcomings of the school system. There is much damage that can be done; emotional, intellectual and otherwise that can significantly impact a persons life without leading to a complete breakdown or insanity. I understand that you are a teacher so have cause to defend schools, but a university is a private institution quite apart from the public system. That being said i agree entirely with your basic premise that schools often kill or neuter subjects before...
this guy is talking shit the wall was both about sid barret and roger waters and the school system idea was on rogers life and how the teachers dis inspired him and teachers would put down the children this was in the 50s I myself am 38 and found school negative half the time
you rock Steve
Good points but took too much time to present them. Had to turn up the speed to 1.5x
like for assignment = material for shredding
Please don't tell me that's a jim root strat body....cause it looks a lot like a jim root strat body, and that red pickguard oh my, why? WHY!?
Or if his guitar actually sounded good. But I may be spoiled, I have been playing my PRS 408 all week.
Great idea...took too long to get to the point. I fell asleep. I appreciate it though not trying to be mean because I noticed you're great at teaching psych on coursera.
he must have accidentally hit the tuning pegs or something there is no way anyone with guitar experience, would play that far out of tune like its not even close
he gets to the point at 9:15
This is the proof that holding a guitar in your hands doesn´t automatically make you cool.
You must be a delight to be around.
The irony also being found in the wish to impart a love of learning by a lover of learning. Better to extract an outline of the students [non relationship] love or passion and steer the "school" toward that. There is a science and history to every passion - from snowboarding to body rock; Stravinsky to break-dancing. If a school adopted a curriculum centred on the world and interests of the students themselves, I believe that that school would eventually outstrip....
There's a reason why the make strats primarily out of alder or ash and les pauls and prs out of mahogany. Cause they sound great. Being different for the sake of difference is pointless. Its good to learn from experience. Like the point made about building something you care for vs the struggle for a mark. Regarding the song. A Double negative is an affirmative. Therefore we need education, obviously the right way. Your guitar is so out of tune Bro. Get a tuner....
+Panagiotis Matsikoudis While technically correct, your point about the double negative is somewhat negated by two things. First, the colloquial use of the double negative is, as we all know, an even more emphatic negative. Secondly, double negatives are used in Romance languages, so they're not entirely foreign to our speech. Just sayin'.
+Panagiotis Matsikoudis As for your point about the wood bodies, again, technically you're correct in your assessment. But I invite you to consider maybe a deeper point in Steve's argument: That experimentation - trial and error, if you will - is a far better teacher than is following orthodoxy. Hopefully, next time he'll decide ash or alder is the better choice ;-)
+Ronald Light To be fair I recently played a full mahogany strat with humbuckers and I was truly impressed. Taste is subjective so reconsidering I believe artistic licence should be given in cases like this... (but the tuner?!) :-)
Well said about double negatives, Mr Light.
great idea...... sucky tone
Anyone knows what kind of accent he is using?
*Not lazy to learn - lazy to spend the time required. Hubby teases me because I buy every self-improvement book, but make him read it and tell me what he learned.
we dont need no education
double negative
+roman14032 the song lyrics are like that
MasterP48HD true, my favorite example of this is the van halen tune that says
"only time will tel if we pass the test of time"
or the maccartney tune that says
"in this ever changing world in which we live in"
+roman14032 He sings "in which we're living" in live and let die. The Floyd song employs that double negative ironically, and to show that it's still easy to understand someone without a flawless and educated manner of speaking. Can't defend Van Halen.
*Not looking for, but the one you're talking about
gibson is *not* a good quality control company. unfortunately. they lost their mojo a long time ago.
This talk would work a lot better if he wasn't such a horrible guitarist.
I'm presuming, unlike me, you've never been in the third world and met a genuinely starving person and tried to do something REAL to change that life. Therefore, applying the same logic you apply in your comment, if you've never been in that particular place, in front of those particular people, you know nothing about being hungry. Twaddle about building a guitar and assuming something profound happened is, and will always be, self-obsessed.
We all want progress, we all want things to be right, to be fair, to be equal, for others to be enlightened, motivated, encouraged to push their limits. But if you're on the wrong road, as this Prof so very clearly is, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. And 'first year psych' is never ever going to teach anyone that.
aye it's floyd
Dude totally does pot.
+del Fuego haha
Pink Floyd did not mean public education, but the education system of England in the 50's, the mental and physical torturing of the kids by frustrated teachers.
nevermind the playing - this guy is so expert in "the guitar" he don't even know how to tune it right - cringe factor to the highest level
CRIIINGGEEEEE
lol i have two key problems w/ this talk (aside form the fact that it is a terrible ted talk like all ted talks) the first is that as an adult man working as a teacher why is his mother giving him like 100 dollars for his birthday imo that is fucked up lol, second thing he is not that good at guitar lol :)
I believe this is the video you're looking for:
/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY
^That is the end of the URL, after the (dot) com
"Let me just turn my tuner off" ... *guitar out of tune*
TEDxAttentionWhoreInMyBasement
18 minutes to present 1 minute of ideas. Sigh
That guitars is out of tune.
Jeez, if he is an 'award winning teacher' he can't have much competition. Dull and self-obsessed.
Someone come take this man's guitar away from him and give it to someone that can actually play.
That guitar is hella out of tune
Very uninteresting.
He needs education in Guitar playing....
This sucks
You just made yourself look really stupid. All Dennis is saying is that you are judging this Professor without having met him, and that Joordens is likely one of the best first year psych teachers out there. There is NOTHING illogical about that. Your example using hunger is neither necessary nor relevant.
Also, it is profound what Joorden is doing. He's making the point that a lot of students don't care about their work, which is important. You should be thankful he even brought this up.