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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Thanks for taking the time to watch this weeks history video all about Southampton's lost railways and canals. A little more information below. #history #southampton #railways
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We took a little trip around Southampton in Dec 2020 and had a look at some of its quirky history, from old abandoned tunnels to viaducts that never were. Southampton has a rich history deserved to be shared.
Credits and thanks to:
Thumbnail: @DaveKirwin
Chris Nevard: Twitter: @Nevardmedia or www.nevard.com
Viaduct Picture: Howard Sprenger Collection
Rail Maps: Railmaponline
Maps: Google Maps
Anybody else watching these great videos and think we should restore our canal system and improve the railnetwork so goods can be transported with lower enviromental impact?
Thanks again Rebecca and Paul for a great insight into our industrial history!
Yuuuup
I live in the US and haven't been to the UK in fourteen years, but I loved the Tube and the railways and your videos make me feel like I'm still visiting. Keep up the great work!
I lived in Southampton for 20 years b4 moving to west dorset I remmbered the dell too. I went there many times. St Mary's used to be very rough area, b4 they built the new ground there.
Cheers Christina. Yup knowing Southampton well I quite agree
I love. a “Sneaky canal treat”, do bring us more ! Great presentation, many thanks.
More to come!
@@pwhitewick Have you walked the Lambourne Valley line, I think it is near enough to you to justify reasonable exercise?
@@bellyruffian nope and yup!!....
I can't believe it. 31yrs on the railway at Bournemouth & Salisbury and this is the first time that I've heard of Blechynden Station. I thought that I had heard everything connected with our lines over the years. You learn something new as they say.
Interesting video with all of this history. Thanks for sharing I really enjoyed it. 👌😀
Cheers Wade
Thanks for the video Paul great as usual!!😎🚂🚃🚃🇬🇧
Thank you Christopher.
Another very interesting video Paul. Thanks,.
That away enclosure at the Dell was legend, when me and my Leeds chums turned up it was always mobbed. Saw some great games there, even the one we lost were enjoyable (sort of).
And the away end was at the south side I think...
Nice surprise seeing The Dell apartment complex. My Son lived there for a couple of years when he worked in Hamble.
Fond memories
Interesting I didn't know Southampton had so many stations or that old line. I knew about the one that's now the Casino and the current (rather grotty in my view) station. I didn't know of all these others or the story behind them however, so another interesting video.
Really enjoyed this style of quick history video.
Cheers Steven. More to come... hopefully!
One tram looks like it’s at Crich! I remember going on a school trip in the 80s; it was only up the road.
Yep that’s Crich.
Yup up at Crich. I believe that was Southamptons first electric tram
My brother and I did a bottle dig in that canal and found quite a few nice items.
Brilliant. Which part??
Really interesting. So much history. Thank you for keeping it alive and not forever forgotten. Trams, tunnels, trains , canals and stations. Well presented.
Thanks Shirley, very kind.
It's interesting how some railways reuse canal routes.
In Portsmouth the railway did that, quite literally digging up the canal bed and laying the railway. Then housing and roads were built on the rest. The only surviving part being the old lock at Eastney.
My old play area, (the locks at milton) used to live round there.
Paul & Rebecca, Great history and excellent presentation. Many thanks, Kip
It's taken me a while to get around to watching this, but as usual it was worth it.
What a fascinating video. I worked in Southamton for many years and know the area extremely well - so I thought! I had no idea about any of the facts, places and features you talked about. Thank you so much.
Nice pub just down the road I seem to remember,
Fantastic and interesting as always - now subscribed. Be interesting to know the history of the nearby Fareham railways, including the now gone Gosport line and the now named Deviation Line.
Cheers Andy, much planned post lockdown. Cheers foe the Sub
Thre was a book on the DN&SR which said something like, “Had the Line been built as planned, Peter Shilton might have been diving not to save a goal but to avoid being hit by an HST...”
I was always a Tim Flowers man myself... 🤪
As a person who was born in Southampton and grew up there, and now work for SWR, I found this very interesting. Thanks for a great video once again. Cheers. Martin
Thanks Martin
30K! Well deserved,Paul and Rebecca. Video quality continues to get better and better. Always look forward to your videos (Martin Zero also). Raise a drink! Hans
Thank you. Very kind.
My Uncle Reg Banks moved from Sway Station to Eastleigh Signal Box where he worked till his retirement in the mid 1980s . Very educational Thankyou from new forest pixies 🐢
Brilliant and so informative. My mum told me of school kids on the tram rocking it through the bargate to make it scratch the sides!
Haha... wow. That's brilliant
Fascinating stuff......
Great video Paul ,lots I didn’t know about Southamptons railways ( come on you Saints)
Great video Paul, I really enjoyed it. You've given me some ideas to do in my videos. Stay safe and well, jack
Thank you Paul and Rebecca :) I never knew about the planned line through Shirley. Thanks for the history lesson Keep it up 👍
Thank you, quite a surprise to us as well.
I like the enthusiasm. Once you get your head around a city's railways, it's catching as you discover all the weird quirks and bits that people miss- especially things like tunnels, defences, and bits of failed or repurposed projects on top of each other to confuse the hell out of people. Then you really get on top of it.
I passed through Southampton twice for a funeral ( there and back, not two!) so only had a few hours there. I remember the station being quite a walk from the city centre, lots of hilly stuff with civic buildings in between: if only I knew it hid the railway and canal tunnels on top of each other. Then there were the truncated city walls, a shadow of York's but a decent to walk along. I did stumble on a bombed out church from WW2 that had interactive posts where you could hear the likes of Eva Hart, a vociferous Titanic survivor, telling her story and how she disapproved of its disturbance. On the flight to Southampton, looking down it felt odd as it looked exactly like the OS map (180, 1" series), but this was real. The Itchen, Test and Isle of Wight were exactly as the old OS 1" maps except for the colours. And yes, it is odd saying that because it would look like the map, but there you go! I looked out for Calshot Spit, trying to figure out what the Olympic and HMS Hawke were up to during their collision in 1911.
H H Gasson wrote a series of quite entertaining books ( Firing Days, Footplate Days, and later, Signalling Days (BR ) about his life on the GWR. He worked Didcot to Southampton a lot.
Thanks for sharing Neil
brilliant info about southamptons railway
Cheers Michael.
Wel done chaps another excellent video
Roger thank you
I never knew any of that, so thank you!
Thank you, we would like to do more in this series!
This is really interesting to learn about! I live very close to Southampton Central and not far from Rolesbrook, so knowing more about the history around where I live, especially in regards to the railways, is great, also great video as always!
Thank you, really pleased we can pass on this info to those that are close by as well.
Well done another interesting Video, good shot of a cruise liner going nowhere, where was Rebecca, missed your smile and the odd bit of humor that you add
Fear not Sir.... she will be back
I have never been to Southampton but still found this very watchable - thank you - which is something of an "acid test". I have, however, been to Crich many times and so felt very "at home" at 2:18!
Thanks Stuart very kind
It's an honour to have my local park (St James' in Shirley) featured. Hope you had a pleasant time whilst you were in Southampton :)
We certainly did.
This was a really good episode. Funny and informative...👍
Amazing stuff. Resident of Soton myself and know most of the places you visted. Great job!
Brilliant video indeed. Some lovely history about Southampton Railways. Did see Southampton Terminus back in December 2019 when I was in Southampton for a few days and at 4:26, I have shopped in that ASDA store as well that is one the map lol
Haha cheers Simon. Been there many a time myself.
Interesting video as usual Paul. I've only been in Southampton twice, taking my coach to and from the Isle of Wight. That trip,I was out filling the coach with fuel and saw the sign for the IOW steam railway. I drove in, they thought they had a coach party, it was just me, lol.
Great video. I did not know about the connections with the park and the DN&SR.
Ooooh, risky move revealing any football allegiance! I'm guessing any Portsmouth-based subscribers have now departed! 🙂 Nice, compact, interesting overview. There was a lot to get into seven minutes!
Ha... always a danger.... to be fair I used to watch anything local.... (apart from pompy... 🤪).
This is very interesting history!! VERY INTERESTING.
150th liker just thought I'd say lol loved this! Quick but informative. Loved the edit. Sweet old pictures.
159th liker!!!!... wait there should be a prize for this...
@@pwhitewick i meant 150th lol but yes there should be! :)
@@GhostTheory nope... sorry there is only a prize for 159th.... your lose. 🤪
@@pwhitewick €£¥₩£÷× i can't even retry because it's gona past now!!!
You'll have fun if you ever get up to Birmingham 😁
On the railway front, there are three extant stations plus a surviving building from a fourth (well, technically the first - soon to be overshadowed by a massive new station), two of which have been demolished and rebuilt (although if you know where to look, you can see evidence of their predecessors), a viaduct to nowhere, which, although slightly shortened, was never completed (one railway company not giving another permission to connect). A few miles South at Longbridge, there's even an Abandoned Railway, with much of the route still walkable (some officially, some unofficially).
It's also got a lot of canal history, with various loops bypassed by Telford's "new" main line, many of which are still in water and navigable, plus two stop locks (back when canal companies were competing, to stop one poaching the other's water - one of which still has its gates, albeit now permanently open).
As I live relatively close to this area is found this most interesting. Thank you very much.
Cheers Terry
Most interesting and informative, Paul. Keep them coming, please!
Gosh I really enjoyed that, I do love canals too not as much as railway tho. Everything so lovely and green there, is quite brown here. Thanks so much for taking me along. P,ease stay safe and take care
Thank you very much!
Great video, thanks for this.
I lived in Southampton for 3.5 years (last place being on Archers Road, so obviously well familiar with the location of The Dell 😁 ) and have always been fascinated by the history of the place, so I knew a reasonable amount, but not all this about the various railway schemes there had been.
I also had no idea it was the tramways that had lead to Bargate being opened up either side.
(As a side note, Southampton Central station is of course, awfully named, because it's not centrally located for the actual town centre, at all, but not much other option, without destroying East Park!)
I understand as well that the clock was built above Southampton central purely to block the line being built over the top. Fascinating stuff.
Brillant Video
Thanks John
Liking the history of Southampton explained a little more but what about Lower Canal Walk? Like the longer length videos!
Brilliant vid, love the new style of presentation! :-)
Thanks so much!
Matt le Tissier was one of my all-time favourite players. That's from a Sunderland supporter. Another great vid. 👍
As kids we always tried to emulate his techniques. Always failing
Colin, this may sound weird, but do we know each other, oppoligies if not.
A really well put together video, and nicely edited.
Thanks Ben
A superb video, very well presented. I enjoyed it.
Thanks Andrew.
Once you can travel again I'd love to see this in other towns. Great video.
Cheers Ross. That's absolutely the plan
The Dell looks distinctly different from 20 years ago when I left 🤔
Couldn't agree more
I couldn't see the farmer..........................I'll see myself out.
The dell has been gone longer than 20 years lol I left 2001 and was gone then lol
@@christinecrockford1654 I remember going in my teens so I guess around 25 ish years ago... maybe a tad more
@@pwhitewick must gone to same games lol the 3 Wallace brothers playing for saints
OMG, information overload, I had to watch this 4 times and make notes as I was sure there would be a test at the end of this one! 😞
Hahaha.... did you pass the test?
Thank you Rebecca and Paul, great discoveries partly in an urban area. I’ve read the railway companies often deliberately planned their lines to knock out canals, but the need for managing gradients inevitably made them overlap. Poor Southampton took a lot of WW2 damage and the centre seems a bit soulless... I like my places redolent of the past, like your country explorations
hey paul and rebecca , another great and very interesting , off to watch rebecca's video that just popped up lol , really well done and thank you again , :)
Absolutely fantastic video as always 👌
Thanks Matt. Very kind
I know this is going to be interesting!!
My old man was a BTP bobby in the old station in Southampton in the 60s (and the docks). I also watched plenty of games at The Dell 😉. COYR
good video
Thanks for the interesting video. One idea for a future one might be for the railways around Hamble - with the Royal Victoria Country Park and oil refinery - with some evidence of lines still in place.
I wonder if Michael Portillo knows about this. I thank that he would be as interested as I am.
Especially the dickhot bit at 6.07...
I would point out that I knew Michael Portillo personally many years ago!! But I like your jovial comment.
What an informative and nice video! 😀
Thank youuuuuu
"...natural cussing..." (05:32) Another hilarious typo in the subtitles. Great video.
I noticed that... thought it might be fun to leave it where it was
Good video.
Cool
Love your channel. In fact, you guys were my very first UA-cam sub. Imagine.
Just one thing though Paul. I think it’s pronounced S’famton.
Ta ta.
Nice one guys
Great video from where I was born. Shame I'm a Pompey supporter though, haha.
Haha... can't win them all.
Just to let you know.Didcot Road in Shirley was the Station to be for the DNS.Also,the Railway tunnel runs at the same level as the old canal.In 1981-83 BR were making the tunnel wider.They cut into the old canal tunnel.Water was still in the canal.There were several pictures taken and published in the Southern evening Echo newspaper.
I thought the DNS station was to be located near to where Shirley Junior School is now and that the SWGJR's station was to be near Didcot Road.
@@barrieworth3510 No,Didcot road was a rough track that was made into a road called Didcot road which was to have a Station.And was named after one of the cities named in the company. There are so many untruths about the DNS line going round
I actually read it was supposed to be closer to the school as well.
@@pwhitewick when I attended the Shirley Local history group talk they showed a map produced by the DNS that showed the proposed route which went north of the gravel pit ( now the park) and through the site of where the school would be built.
@@pwhitewick There is so mistakes made about the DNS.Alot of them are folklore as the story of Regents Park being for a railway Marshalling yard .There was only one viable plan that was going to be built.And that had Stations to be at Chilworth and Didcot Road in Shirley. It's been an interest for me for over 30 years and have read widely
Hey really interesting video, I love your production values, I have to say your neck and neck with a certain Geoff Marshall, who ever he is.
Nope never heard of him. From my chair I assure you I have a lot more to learn from him!!
Great video! Although having read through the comments it looks like I'm the only one who thinks this is a Geoff Marshall parody
Parody implies with added comic effect. This is just a blatant rip off....
Speaking about railways down your’neck of the woods’ when I drive to Cornwall and Devon, as I have done since I could drive and as a passenger when I was too young to drive, we always use the M3 and shortly after we leave the Fleet service area possibly near the ‘Hook’ turnoff, I always glance over at the derelict railway viaduct on the right hand side and I often wonder about it and wonder if you can tell me anything about it and also is that the same railway as the viaduct of many arches at Hedge End area of Southampton TIA Phil.
Always wondered about that big one viaduct too. It's huge for what I believe it's intend purpose was... essentially just a spur road from Odiham to Hartley Row.
@@pwhitewick not walked it yourselves yet then?
@@phillunn4691 nope.... just an old road. I've passed it a thousand times though like yourself. Very grand
@@pwhitewick Thanks very much, appreciate that, it’s great to find out these things! Take care and stay safe and well. Phil
What about doing lost railways and canals in Portsmouth and the railway line that went from Fareham to Gosport and Lee-on-the-Solent. And the railway line that once went to Hayling Island east of Portsmouth.
very interesting
Interesting video - I was hanging on to every word waiting for an explanation as to why there are roads in Southampton named after the Settle & Carlisle line. Unless you're going to tell me they're named after a piano tuner called Arthur Settle and a fishmonger called Archibald Carlisle!
Haha... I wish I knew... I guess it was a councillor giving a hat tip to the railways....
Sadly I live pretty close to the Erie canal system and I know more about yours (thanks to you) than ours.
The Shirley Local History group covered these proposed railways in one of their atumn talks a couple of years ago. Unfortunatly their website is down at the moment so I can't link to it. Did you know that the LSWR deliberatly built a clock tower on their station to scupper the DNS. There is also a plan of the proposed line to the Bargate in the Southampton city archives
How did the building of the clock scupper the DNS? My understanding was that they refused hep from LSWR and GWR until they ran out of cash at Winch. Subsequently no choice but to accept LSWR offer of a viaduct at shawford.
@@pwhitewick the DNS were to build a viaduct accross the LSWR line at what was then Bletchingdon Station but the clock tower was built at the point the DNS viaduct was to be built.
@@barrieworth3510 oh well that's just brilliant.
@@pwhitewick The picture at 6:19 shows the work that was started on the DNS viaduct bufore the LSWR hastily built their clock tower. Which was about the same time that the money ran short.
The talk I referred to above was in 2017 and called
"Shirley and the Railway: Stories, Myths and Maps"
Vicki Stacey from the History Research Group will be sharing stories from the research so far into the Railways, Shirley and St.James’ Park.
I'm sure they would be willing to provide further info to those interested; their e-mail is history@fosjp.org.uk.
Good
Very Good 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Is there a Prize for the 156 Liker🤔🚂🚂🚂
Hope you're managing to keep occupied during the lockdown! A nice quick look at Southampton :)
This is interesting, being fairly local, (Portsmouth), didn't realise the railway network had undergone that amount of changes in that area, not been to Southampton for over 30 years, ( maybe because I live in Portsmouth 😃😃).
In alot of your videos, Paul, you tend to talk a bit too fast, I sometimes have to watch them at 0.75 speed, to take in all the information you give!
Cheers Richy, yup I am very conscious of that, trying to correct it is a tad tricky, as you tend to forget when you start to speak!... working on it.
Amazing you haven’t been to Southampton for over 30 years. Would you go
@@s125ish I could if I wanted to, as I'm close to my local train station.
Settle Close next to Carlisle Road? Nothing against Southampton but I think I preferer the Settle to Carlisle Railway!
Bizarre isn't it
Portsmouth soon? :)
Post lockdown... why not.
@@pwhitewick Superb! I shall try to think of some interesting factoids for you.
Plenty of history in Portsmouth, including Portsmouth and Southsea railway 👍
Please do. Feel free to email us. Short punchy interesting quirky facts.
St Mary’s ❤️
Oh yes
I love your pieces of film, but combined with your quick voice over and quick shots, I cannot work out where you actually went. Is there a map you are aware of that I could look for.?? Thank you. John
Sorry John, points taken but I really needed this to be a short punchy one. I agree perhaps a tad too punchy.
@@pwhitewick `Punchy`? Not a word I use, but do you mean for `quick`?
@@johnstubbington5163 pretty much yes. Short and quick cuts to keep the viewer interested.
@@pwhitewick ok, where was the industrial estate that you walked by
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Morning Paul, Am I correct in feeling a sense of "deja vu" on this video?
I suspect you do! Being a film maker and not being able to travel outside your local area isn't easy I'm afraid.
@@pwhitewick Not a criticism in the slightest Paul. I always look forward to Mondays to watch your latest. Thank you. (At least it shows I'm paying attention)
Lots of energy today, keep taking the medication.
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Where was it first written: "Dreams, we had dreams..."? I bet it was Bill Shakespeare!
Have you watched this with the captions on, Paul? Only, it's never heard of quays or Bargate; and it knows about places you don't - including the "dickhot, newborn southampton railway! HAHAHA!!
Haha... yes. Also Cussing as opposed to Cutting. I'll take a look at them properly when I get a second
Oh dear I will now have to unsubscribe... I’m a Pompey fan!!!.
Nah not really😁.
I almost said the same thing! Haha!
Shirley you can't be serious
Did you know you two are on a Geoff Marshall UA-cam video!!!
You wot?
Yeah did you know?
@@teecefamilykent the last 30 seconds of the video might give it away... 😶
Oooo...I feel stupid now....:-(....
@@teecefamilykent haha... its all good.
BECCY ! he’s escaped !