The Online Dystopia of Modern Racing Games

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  • Опубліковано 25 гру 2024

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  • @ileutur6863
    @ileutur6863 Місяць тому +1543

    Every modern racing game "have fun with your friends, race against your friends, share results with your friends".
    Any gamer with a gamer circle of friends will tell you 99% of them don't play racing games. They play FPS, MMO or fighting games.

    • @zenkoz3158
      @zenkoz3158 Місяць тому +250

      Yeah every modern racer I play makes me say "wow this would be great if I had friends to play it with" but I'm an adult and work too much to keep any real friendships going. So now the only online games I play are things I can play with my wife.

    • @azi9_ity
      @azi9_ity Місяць тому +19

      This is so true. Oh well...

    • @Fay7666
      @Fay7666 Місяць тому +105

      Even as a kid, I knew like... _a friend_ who played racing games.
      Nowadays... yeah, not really anybody. I do think that something like iRacing promotes a more community feel in-game which helps a lot, but for most other games it's just an "... ok guess I'm SOL" which makes today's racing games just a chore.

    • @r1l426
      @r1l426 Місяць тому +98

      And then they remove couch multiplayer so even when you wanna play a quick game with your friends you can't.

    • @VelocityVibeRacing
      @VelocityVibeRacing Місяць тому +28

      I only play racing games. Minecraft is a exception and I only play gta for the vehicles.

  • @alrecks619
    @alrecks619 Місяць тому +1079

    racing games community : "hey, can you make something that resembles a proper career ladder structure?"
    racing games publishers : "best we can do is mandatory internet connection"

    • @C.I...
      @C.I... Місяць тому +83

      Community: "Can I have a car collection, with some nice cars in a reasonable amount of time?"
      Publishers: "Best we can do is put them each behind a thousands-of-hours grind wall to make you pay real money for them. Oh, also each race win prize is a roulette with tiny payouts, and you can't sell your cars for money."

    • @kuriankeralaIndia
      @kuriankeralaIndia Місяць тому +47

      ​@@C.I... Gamers: Make it harder to buy or get cars
      Microsoft:Here have majority of the games car list in your garage for 2 hours of game you played.

    • @CyanRooper
      @CyanRooper Місяць тому +17

      Players: Can we have a racing game with 2D waifus and a good soundtrack?
      Victory Heat Rally devs: Here you go, king. Knock yourself out.

    • @Fjdjfjsz92938
      @Fjdjfjsz92938 Місяць тому +44

      @@CyanRooper💀bro tried sneaking his game in

    • @SicSemperBeats
      @SicSemperBeats Місяць тому +20

      @@CyanRooper Nobody asked for waifus lmao gtfoh

  • @Theottselmaster
    @Theottselmaster Місяць тому +655

    "Buy our racer, pay for a subscription, dont EVER be offline, buy microtransactions, watch the servers go offline, THANKS FOR THE MONEY SUCKER"

    • @IdiotRace
      @IdiotRace Місяць тому

      This is the reason why I haven't bought a single racing game since FM7.

    • @osimos
      @osimos Місяць тому +18

      Racing game industry in a nut shell, you nailed it.

    • @Mephisko46
      @Mephisko46 Місяць тому +18

      Be silent and consume!

    • @free4fire
      @free4fire Місяць тому +24

      Well this isn't just racing these days, a huge part of the triple A gaming industry is like that nowadays.
      I simply boycott all of em.

    • @silvy3047
      @silvy3047 Місяць тому +12

      Also here's a new car you can only earn by playing for 40 hours that's only available for one week 😁

  • @TheDeadmanTT
    @TheDeadmanTT Місяць тому +647

    The best thing about server shutdown is that the modding chads can get to work, make it playable again and remove all the microtransactions.

    • @Appletank8
      @Appletank8 Місяць тому +80

      you do need the game to be popular enough to attract someone to put in the effort though.

    • @0uttaS1TE
      @0uttaS1TE Місяць тому +97

      ​@Appletank8 Sometimes it's not even about popularity. You just need people who care. Blur wasn't popular and they have fanmade servers. Same with the first 3 Motorstorms.

    • @rnosibZ57
      @rnosibZ57 Місяць тому +27

      ​@@Appletank8 NFS World

    • @adlibbed2138
      @adlibbed2138 Місяць тому +22

      ​​​​@@0uttaS1TEand sometimes, it depends on what platform it was released on, at least NFS World and The Crew 1 get their respective 2nd winds thanks to their official PC release (the former being PC only release)
      M.A.G on PS3 and Ace Combat Infinity for example, are still cancelled soz thanks for two of these games being PS3 exclusives throughout their lifetime

    • @LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious
      @LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious Місяць тому +2

      @@TheDeadmanTT *cough* SoapBox *cough*

  • @Yosh1az
    @Yosh1az Місяць тому +293

    Racing games then:
    >Gives you a taste of the best cars
    >Game steal it from you
    >Starts at the bottom with a shitbox
    >Improve your shitbox
    >Climb your way up
    >Gets the car that you lose
    >Ends the game
    Racing games now:
    >Gives you super cars from the start
    >Pay real money to purchase cars
    >Online
    >Shitty grinding mechanic and progression
    >Never Ends

    • @mrjohnnyk
      @mrjohnnyk Місяць тому +9

      Yeah it's no wonder they have become so boring.

    • @m1sst4k37
      @m1sst4k37 Місяць тому +11

      funniest thing is, you described the NFS Unbound

    • @eurosonly
      @eurosonly Місяць тому +13

      Should say need for speed most wanted vs modern racing game trends lol.

    • @thatGRprick
      @thatGRprick 28 днів тому

      @@m1sst4k37too a tee

    • @Cipher_556
      @Cipher_556 25 днів тому +8

      I guess that explains why I enjoyed NFS and Midnight Club back then. They were just... games, with actual sense of progressions like any other games. Now they're nothing more than a product, a platform. I didn't enjoy how Forza gave me the great cars from the start and now I just quit it entirely because progressing is so boring to me.

  • @shira_yone
    @shira_yone Місяць тому +405

    Even Driveclub, _the_ social driving game™ lets you play the whole singleplayer career mode and let you keep your custom liveries when it went offline.
    The Crew 1 was sacrificed on the altar to boost it's shoddy sequels because Ubi know people still play the first game simply because it's a lot more substantive and soulful.

    • @Pri11-k7l
      @Pri11-k7l Місяць тому +15

      Ubi should just put the game on sale one last time before it got withdrawn from all platforms even if it meant selling for a dollar or so before car and song licenses expire and perserve the game before it went offline completely
      At least after their stock levels are going down , Ivory tower was given the green light to update The Crew 2 and Motorfest to have offline modes

    • @djungelskog2654
      @djungelskog2654 Місяць тому +17

      The Crew 2 is such an awful game too
      Filled to the brim with random BS

    • @Pri11-k7l
      @Pri11-k7l Місяць тому +3

      @@djungelskog2654 i wonder why it looked like that until i found out the graphics and textures were just a straight up leftover assets from The Crew 1
      But I enjoyed it nonetheless

    • @zenkoz3158
      @zenkoz3158 Місяць тому +11

      ​@@Pri11-k7l some of the assets are worse. Watch a comparison video and you'll be saddened by some of the downgrades.

    • @Pri11-k7l
      @Pri11-k7l Місяць тому

      @@zenkoz3158 no need to I've seen it the comparison already it's a downgrade when i launched for the first time after 5 years of its release , but once the game goes offline we pirate and mod the hell out of it
      Screw ubisoft , they robbed TC1 owners

  • @andyhelliwell4955
    @andyhelliwell4955 Місяць тому +157

    The Crew being stolen from customers should be treated as a crime.I have the disks but I still cannot play this epic game ever again.
    Well made video btw, some great points made.

    • @minties51
      @minties51 Місяць тому

      wait, hold on… did the devs actually just destroy the game and prevent anyone from playing it ever again even if they have a physical copy? i’ve never played that game, so i’ve never heard anything about this

    • @andyhelliwell4955
      @andyhelliwell4955 Місяць тому +19

      @@minties51 Yes the devs destroyed the game. Even if you have the disks, the game has to connect with the servers to start and play, but they shut the servers down.
      They also stole the licenses back out of my game library to make double sure.

    • @Chickensea10
      @Chickensea10 29 днів тому

      JOIN BLUR, SPLIT SECOND, AND NEED FOR SPEED HOT PURSUIT!

    • @SynthAir
      @SynthAir 25 днів тому +1

      @@Chickensea10Pretty sure you can still play those offline; The Crew isn’t playable at all, online or offline, unfortunately

    • @CGGS_0
      @CGGS_0 22 дні тому

      @@minties51 The physical copy of it's nature is irrelevant. When parts of it require internet access (even thou, you're not currently online)

  • @SockyNoob
    @SockyNoob Місяць тому +219

    No livery editor offline is such a boneheaded move that only Polyphony could manage.

    • @mrjohnnyk
      @mrjohnnyk Місяць тому +8

      Modern gaming! Missing features we had decades ago.

    • @eienookami
      @eienookami Місяць тому +7

      I got SO pissed when I got on gtsport the day after the server shut because I honestly thought we could at least keep our designs... How foolish of me

    • @MikoyanGurevichMiG21
      @MikoyanGurevichMiG21 Місяць тому +5

      Forza Motorsport 5 says hello. Take Two also did this nonsense.

    • @xXYannuschXx
      @xXYannuschXx 25 днів тому +4

      @@mrjohnnyk This so much. I cringe everytime a modern AAA production manages to lack features or do stuff worse then 10-20 year old games.

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 11 днів тому +1

      ​@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21Auto Modellista's customization also miles above GT SPORT surprisingly.

  • @LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious
    @LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious Місяць тому +140

    People (including me) were more exited for Pro Street Pepega Edition than Unbound. No commentary

    • @adlibbed2138
      @adlibbed2138 Місяць тому +14

      man, underground 2 net for underground 2 excites me a lot more than modern racing games wished it could ever be
      and speaking of modern racing games, I sincerely hope the new Tokyo Xtreme Racer game really needs to avoid the same mistakes, if not doing the exact opposite of what the fans wanted like TDU Solar Crown did

    • @GuntanksInSpace
      @GuntanksInSpace Місяць тому +7

      Man, that mod went pretty goddamn hard tbh. MW and ProStreet Pepega had a lot more going for it past the memes.

    • @boomkittyFX
      @boomkittyFX Місяць тому +3

      i'd literally pay if someone made an xbox 360 port of pepega tho 😭

    • @LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious
      @LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious Місяць тому +1

      @@GuntanksInSpace both were awesome

    • @AdrielBGaming
      @AdrielBGaming Місяць тому +3

      Honestly same. A mod for an old game getting more hype than recent releases does say a lot about the state of the genre.

  • @justajad2809
    @justajad2809 Місяць тому +590

    If Roflwaffle was a racing game, the genre would be reignited.

    • @EQUAL2
      @EQUAL2 Місяць тому +30

      he made a video about if he were to make his own game

    • @CyanRooper
      @CyanRooper Місяць тому +51

      Imagine a racing game where you race waffles instead of cars.

    • @justajad2809
      @justajad2809 Місяць тому +25

      @@CyanRooper Mario Kart 9: Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN !

    • @TallTapper
      @TallTapper Місяць тому +4

      thank god he isnt actually

    • @AdolfGOhomE
      @AdolfGOhomE Місяць тому

      It would be oiled up hardcore c*orn

  • @tohruberthon47
    @tohruberthon47 Місяць тому +353

    HE IS JOINING THE BATTLE AGAINST ALWAYS ONLINE!!

    • @cin2110
      @cin2110 Місяць тому +16

      Unlike that one pirate themed plant that is pretending to be customer friendly.

    • @jdcp8976
      @jdcp8976 Місяць тому +5

      ​@@cin2110 wtf are you talking about?

    • @phutureproof
      @phutureproof Місяць тому +2

      Give that caps key a tap cheers sweetcheeks

    • @Skumtomten1
      @Skumtomten1 Місяць тому +1

      We lost the battle a long time ago sadly

    • @sarimsalman2698
      @sarimsalman2698 Місяць тому

      Pirate Software? ​@@cin2110

  • @irvanray1898
    @irvanray1898 Місяць тому +104

    I HATE ALWAYS ONLINE DRM
    I HATE ALWAYS ONLINE DRM

  • @SteveBrandon
    @SteveBrandon Місяць тому +58

    If I remember correctly, the original excuse with Gran Turismo Sport was that the FIA demanded the anti-cheat measure which required an always-online connection just to prevent the possibility of cheating with the eSports aspect of the game, which is fair enough but I feel like people interested in playing a game as an eSport should just have separate online-only profiles without denying those of us with absolutely no interest in playing games as eSports the option to play and save offline (and, if someone changes their mind and wants to play in eSports mode, they should have to start over from scratch with their eSports profile).
    And the FIA was a weak excuse anyway since always-online is now affecting racing games that have absolutely no connection to the FIA.

    • @christiantracey915
      @christiantracey915 2 дні тому

      now GT7 lost the contract against the FIA

    • @nickthompson1812
      @nickthompson1812 9 годин тому +1

      Constant online connection lets them collect your data. I truly think that’s the biggest part of this.

  • @Aries19974
    @Aries19974 Місяць тому +71

    Always online is the death of gaming, give me back the REAL games!

    • @osimos
      @osimos Місяць тому

      Amen!

    • @demonNthesn0w
      @demonNthesn0w Місяць тому +4

      Battle passes is the coffin

    • @Chickensea10
      @Chickensea10 29 днів тому

      JOIN BLUR, SPLIT SECOND, AND NEED FOR SPEED HOT PURSUIT! !!!

  • @marko9610
    @marko9610 Місяць тому +59

    Comparing modern Racing games to chewing gum is kinda genius considering just like gone offline mp games, you can still chew but without the flavor

  • @Lauriic54
    @Lauriic54 Місяць тому +54

    One thing this doesn’t mention is something that has been upsetting me while playing NFS2015 over the last week or so - these online features are rubbed in your face so hard that, ultimately, the game ends up feeling lonelier as a result.
    For NFS specifically, you’re forced to be in a lobby with others, but rarely will anyone hang out and drive with you. Maybe this was different when the game was fresh, but that just emphasises the limited shelf life of the core game.
    Forza does it more insultingly in my opinion - filling AI lists with usernames of your friends… look at all the people that you _could_ be racing with instead!
    In the older games, you just treated bots as bots. In these games, it’s a slap in the face that you don’t have anyone to share your fun with, so it just drives you away instead.

    • @Doubles_Advocate
      @Doubles_Advocate Місяць тому +4

      The publisher likely sees this as a positive, that way you're encouraged to buy the next one at launch (or even pre-order please!) if you want to have the game feel lively.
      It's the same mentality as battlepass content being perma-locked after a certain date.

    • @ModeSOLOgaming
      @ModeSOLOgaming Місяць тому +1

      I like that loneliness in NFS 2015 really. Whenever I start it up again I just cruise around listening to that fantastic soundtrack, not really doing anything.

    • @TRRDroid
      @TRRDroid 23 дні тому

      I feel like for 2015 to work as it was intended lobbies would need to be much bigger than just 5 real players. It's kinda cool seeing others race while you're free roaming tho

  • @mafiousbj
    @mafiousbj Місяць тому +115

    One of my fondest memories as a kid was taking my PS1 and then PS2 with me during summer holidays. My grandparents had a small house near a beach in the middle of nowhere. It was us, a couple of neighbors and that was it.
    We would play in the beach all day, but if the day was rainy we would plug the console to the TV and play either Gran Turismo (remember split screen?) or some fighting games with my brother.
    Kinda amazing that 20 years later my own kids can't do that because the new Gran Turismo requires constant internet connection and that beachouse in the middle of nowhere won't ever get internet 😂

    • @EmoDKTsuchiya
      @EmoDKTsuchiya Місяць тому +16

      Keep the PS2 alive

    • @JoshuaC923
      @JoshuaC923 Місяць тому +2

      This!

    • @mafiousbj
      @mafiousbj Місяць тому +12

      @@EmoDKTsuchiya My PS2 is still alive and well, issue is the kids are still in the "normie" phase and put graphics above eveything else 😂.
      So Mario Kart on the Switch it is. I always shitted on Nintendo growing up about being anti-consumer and elitist, but damn it's nice someone is still offering 4 player split screen in many games 😂

    • @AMDRyzen57500F
      @AMDRyzen57500F Місяць тому +4

      ​@@mafiousbj taking graphics over gameplay is a bad thing. Gameplay over graphics anyday

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 11 днів тому

      ​@@AMDRyzen57500Ftrue. Motor Toon Grand Prix is the main example along with NASCAR 06 TOTAL TEAM CONTROL. Graphics may look a little subpar, but contents and gameplay are STILL THE KING.

  • @Sparcsmi
    @Sparcsmi Місяць тому +12

    "There is no end goal, because there can't be" is a simple phrase I never thought of when it comes to these modern games.
    Most of the time, I get no satisfaction from just playing bigger new games anymore and have had to come up with my own challenges or mini goals to have fun again...which at least exercises the tiny sliver imagination I still have left.

  • @Ben-Rogue
    @Ben-Rogue Місяць тому +25

    One big problem with these always online racing games, or ones that require an online connection just to play solo, is that they often use it as an excuse to 'protect' their micro-transactions, while ALSO expecting you to spend more money on in-game content. While I'll happily buy DLC packs, or a traditional season pass if a game has earned it, I cannot justify spending a single cent in a game that will take it all away in a few years, when they're no longer turning a profit... I can hardly justify buying an always online game in the first place.
    If they don't respect and honor my purchase, then I simply won't give them my money.

  • @hrmzk
    @hrmzk Місяць тому +58

    Thank you, you summarized what I have been feeling ever since TDU2 went out, I remember in the same week, emailing Eden Games wondering “what’s next” and the reply said something like this“we appreciate your time playing TDU2, but since the servers are shutdown, and we hear you want to still have the online features, we recommend you jumping into The Crew” and I remember thinking to myself “but I don’t want to play The Crew, I want to play TDU2!”

    • @fabiofanf3e813
      @fabiofanf3e813 Місяць тому +5

      Gotta respect devs that know when to call it quits and seven recomend other games.
      I mean, imagine if this was turn10 or ivory tower. They would say something along the lines of "one must sacrifice thyself for thoust purchase to work. There are no alternatives, only fals messiahs."

    • @Bambeakz
      @Bambeakz Місяць тому +3

      If you have a PC or Steamdeck you can still play TDU2 online with modded server and I guess every decent laptop or pc can run it. Even with modded graphics and extra cars.
      TDU2world, TD universe and the biggest as far as I know Project Paradise 2

    • @offbrandbiscuit
      @offbrandbiscuit Місяць тому +3

      "TDU2 servers are gone, why don't you just play The Crew?"
      The Crew fans: 💀 stop killing our games

    • @CyanRooper
      @CyanRooper Місяць тому +6

      @@fabiofanf3e813 but some of the developers at Ivory Tower were former members of Eden Games. That's why they recommended The Crew.

  • @Inklington53
    @Inklington53 Місяць тому +25

    Speaking of Gran Turismo 2, here’s a fun tidbit.
    I am one day younger than Gran Turismo 2. As we know, it was first released in Japan on December 11, 1999. I was born the day after. As Gran Turismo 2 is my favorite game of all time, I play it every year when its anniversary and my birthday roll around.
    It’s funny how such a small coincidence can make you love and appreciate a game that much more.

    • @jayda1k_
      @jayda1k_ Місяць тому +3

      I’m 2 months and few days older than Gran Turismo 3 (released in EU and JP in May). The game was set for a March 2001 release but it was the 11th hour and Polyphony grinded what started out as GT2.5/GT2000 on new hardware with entirely new 3D car models and licensing along with a few new tracks and many new features like B-Spec- meaning it was pushed back to July in the US.

    • @dasstig5274
      @dasstig5274 Місяць тому +3

      I play gran turismo 1 for a little bit every new years eve. It's sort of my way to reflect on the year that's gone.
      I think because I played it once while waiting for the new year with my uncle as a kid, and the nostalgia has stuck with me since.

    • @jimmy3people0
      @jimmy3people0 Місяць тому

      not a racing game, but I share an exact birthday (3/2/2000) with the release of the first WWF SmackDown game and I fucking _adore_ that series (everything up to SvR07, anyway)

  • @fellow9939
    @fellow9939 Місяць тому +11

    the worst part about The Crew was the removal of the game from people's libraries. Beyond being a middle finger to the most basic of consumer rights, it was a knowing and deliberate attempt to erase the game from existence. Ubisoft knew that people would eventually get around to modding the dead game to bring it back and play it in their own way, and set about actively trying to stop that. they foresaw the possibility of people creating community servers or hacking the offline mode back into the game and decided to preemptively prevent that in a bid to move the last few thousand people playing The Crew onto the sequels. the decision wasn't apathetic, it was outright hostile. "Get used to not owning your games". said the company whose stock value promptly fell into freefall.

  • @2lucky2tha7
    @2lucky2tha7 Місяць тому +35

    You nailed it.
    I remember being far more excited and engaged with, say, Gran Turismo 3 for example. It gave a structured ladder of advancement that one had to try hard to attain. It's a basic psychological fact that human beings are goal oriented. When the ladder of advancement is removed, then the sense of motivation, drive and purpose disappears and interest is lost. The mere ability to drive any car on any track without an ultimate goal to pursue - quickly feels meaningless and pointless and thus interest is lost.
    The mere freedom to do anything we want at any given time doesn't result in being content because it results in diminishing returns very quickly.
    Edit:
    I want to expand upon this.
    First off, I totally agree that internet dependence severely diminishes a game. As you said - with the loss of internet connection or servers, the game is either unplayable or extremely diminished. That is a massive deterrent. That means that ones time spent in advancing can be taken away at any time, so there is no lasting effect.
    There is soo much that the developers could do to deeply engage player interest - even using their current platform.
    Keep the game fully playable even without an Internet/server connection.
    Have new desirable tracks and cars that can only be won or accessed AFTER a series of championships, etc. are won and a trophy of sorts given.
    It's these basic things that require a player to try hard, hone their skills, advance further, invest time and concentration, become engaged and enjoy the journey toward these end goals - thus providing a sense of hard earned accomplishment - not for these things to just be freely handed over without even trying. It makes all the difference in the world.
    Gran Turismo 7 for example can easily being back tracks from the previous series and implement them in a way where - say, like the old GT series - one would have to do a series of 10 different races in a series of consecutive events in order to win in the end - and that it be challenging (that it not be easy, nor impossible).

    • @phutureproof
      @phutureproof Місяць тому

      Gran turismo 3 for example

    • @aksGJOANUIFIFJiufjJU21
      @aksGJOANUIFIFJiufjJU21 Місяць тому +1

      Its more fun to drive any car on any track than to pursue a goal
      Also, I think they make the game online only so the save file cant be modified, however, polyphony could either make the save file hard to crack like in gt6 and ban people like in gt5 or make it so that whatever you do is reset back to when you were last online to make the gt7 playable offline

  • @hibbs1712
    @hibbs1712 Місяць тому +26

    Thank you for speaking on this at length. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills trying to convey this to people. I do not want to to buy your game if I can't play it offline.

  • @AloneRacecar
    @AloneRacecar Місяць тому +20

    While that I don’t have anything against racing games that have online features and whatnot, it does become very problematic when you won’t be able to play them if there’s something wrong with the servers or when they shutdown completely! Especially when you have spent all that money into buying the game only to not be able to play it anymore a few years later (assuming you had decided to come back to it after a while). I almost feel like the online mode of gaming has gotten so popular that the game developers decided to capitalize on it to make the games that have the quality that we are getting today.
    And it’s not just racing games entirely, I have seen a very similar story with sporting games too… especially with the NBA 2K series. I could definitely see myself play through the entire career story without any online connections but NOPE! Not the case at all.
    Lately I have been enjoying the offline stuff a little bit more now than ever. It’s like I have a bit of zen and peace. Plus I can do whatever I want and use whatever car I want without anyone criticizing me for how bad I am at racing games! 😅

  • @millennialchicken
    @millennialchicken Місяць тому +182

    this is why games like AC, NFS:MW, GT4, Forza Motorsport 4 or even rFactor 1/AMS 1 are being respected more these days BECAUSE of their completeness after their time has come. They are complete packages that can be enjoyed even now when their sequels are dropping the ball majorly.

    • @superninja252
      @superninja252 Місяць тому +40

      AC is mosly liked beacuse of the mods tbh same with any rfacor based game

    • @jdcp8976
      @jdcp8976 Місяць тому +28

      ​@@superninja252yeah people forget AC is nothing without mods lol, almost nobody would play it if it wasn't because of that.
      I can say so because I have it, and as cool as it is to race around cities or nurburgring with traffic... none of this shit is in the actual game lol.

    • @0uttaS1TE
      @0uttaS1TE Місяць тому +17

      ​@@jdcp8976Oh, yeah, AC is like MUGEN for racing games. It's kind of bland unless you add in mods, and if you aren't a PC player, or aren't knowledgeable/don't have time to do that, a potential 9/10 experience will forever remain a 5

    • @AdolfGOhomE
      @AdolfGOhomE Місяць тому

      Firstly i think that you mentioned Assassin's Creed...

    • @colins5142
      @colins5142 Місяць тому +6

      FM2 and FM3 were the greatest they ever made. 4 is right underneath them imo. It’s been a shithole ever since.

  • @Yokaisan23
    @Yokaisan23 Місяць тому +35

    Not only does online kills racing games, but publishers as well
    I miss my burnout and midnight club 😔

    • @evil1st
      @evil1st Місяць тому +6

      Midnight Club still cancelled soz 😞

  • @KrulliKlikk
    @KrulliKlikk Місяць тому +19

    I have a slightly wobbly WiFi connection in the room where my PlayStation resides and the amount of times I’ve been kicked out in the middle of SINGLE PLAYER races because it dropped out for a minute is absolutely beyond infuriating 🤬

  • @kelly2631
    @kelly2631 Місяць тому +40

    28:31 I mean, the Ace Combat series arguably has even harder licenses to acquire, seeing as they have licenses for Sukhoi and Mikoyan aircraft alongside aircraft from Boeing and Lockheed in a game from a developer based in Japan, and yet they're able to make a series that mainly centers on the singleplayer experience.
    Nah, the reason that racing games suck is just because there's only so many publishers that make racing games. You want to play a FPS? You got a whole list of games to pick from. Want to race GT cars in a semi-realistic game? You really only have a handful of choices, further limited by platform exclusivity.

    • @superninja252
      @superninja252 Місяць тому +6

      AC had focus in online with AC online and most games are unablle to be brought due licencing

    • @Calvin_Coolage
      @Calvin_Coolage Місяць тому +4

      The licenses aren't cheap to acquire and it does somewhat hinder their ability to rerelease older AC games, but they're able to get them because the defense companies making the planes recognize that it's good marketing to be in a game like Ace Combat. And because the games are almost always set in Strangereal they don't have the same baggage that a COD game would have. Honestly the only reason COD doesn't go for licenses for firearms and equipment anymore because they're cheapskates who don't want to get sued, even though it really seems like the law's kinda on their side if a license holder throws a hissyfit like GM did over the Humvees in the old Modern Warfare games. It's really funny that companies who make fighter jets understands the how good product placement with minimal restrictions is compared to car companies.

  • @all3skl4r
    @all3skl4r Місяць тому +16

    My issue are:
    - the games being online
    - time limited events with time limited content
    - they want you to treat their shitty game as a job

    • @kpegc
      @kpegc Місяць тому +1

      I know. As if juggling a real job and responsibilities wasn't enough. It's like these companies expect their games to literally become someone's entire life. It's frustrating.

  • @SicSemperBeats
    @SicSemperBeats Місяць тому +17

    its hilarious how the racing genre works. Everything about Racing games outside of graphics has been outdated (in comparison to other genres) or late in catching on to trends. Every one is chasing the constantly online multiplayer focus as if they want to be the next COD, while the majority of fans seriously don't want that. Racing games aren't cod or CSGO, and the one's that are (iracing) have a completely different and clear focus on that.
    Not some noncommital, in the middle bs like modern GT, Forza, TDU, etc are trying and failing at doing

  • @Mikauo_Xblade
    @Mikauo_Xblade Місяць тому +63

    I just bought myself a racing game from 2009 called FUEL. Even though the whole game could be played online, the entire thing is also functional (and fun) to play singleplayer. This is how it should be.

    • @Fay7666
      @Fay7666 Місяць тому +3

      I tried playing Fuel a few years ago... frankly, it truly was a barren wasteland of nothingness. It didn't feel like there was a _game_ inside them, just a bunch of races spread around a massive map.

    • @evil1st
      @evil1st Місяць тому +3

      Theres an even better 2009 racing game. Its called Midnight Club: Los Angeles.

    • @Mikauo_Xblade
      @Mikauo_Xblade Місяць тому +6

      @@Fay7666 Oh I get you. But I love having that giant map and just driving for the pleasure of driving. I love that I can hit the gas and just keep going in whatever direction I want to. It is almost therapeutic to me, which is funny as the game is supposed to be super 2000s edgy.

    • @vis-glitch
      @vis-glitch Місяць тому

      They broke the DRM on PC and I can't play my copy from Steam anymore. :(

    • @kitsu_game
      @kitsu_game Місяць тому +1

      Fuel was interesting in my opinion, they tried something

  • @Caero_
    @Caero_ Місяць тому +17

    19:01 it's not the only solution, actually. There are several games that do have private community run servers to bring back the online functionality. It can even be provided by the publishers (& ideally should be)

  • @firun2635
    @firun2635 Місяць тому +28

    I miss when games had chats. That is already a big grievance I have with "social" and "online" racing games. Play with others, but you can't communicate with them. Like, what?

    • @lostinkyoto.
      @lostinkyoto. Місяць тому +1

      Yep, im a call of duty player and one of my most hated things about the new ones is how they got rid of lobbies staying together after a match, a majority of my online friends were made being able to talk before and after a match and the modern games just killed the community aspect of gaming completely

    • @BM-pt6sy
      @BM-pt6sy Місяць тому +3

      Human beings being human and saying no no words? Well, just don't let anybody do anything, duh

    • @thatguypal2025
      @thatguypal2025 9 днів тому

      God forbid I tell my opponent to spend some time with their ancestors after a race

  • @TheLaXandro
    @TheLaXandro Місяць тому +22

    A big problem with racing games featuring real cars is that they are impossible to remaster. Not just because of licensing hell for cars, tracks and often even music, the cars themselves are the problem, every racing game that isn't specifically set in a particular time period is a product of its time. As much as we can talk about Most Wanted being a timeless masterpiece, be real, what was the last time you've seen a Chevy Cobalt on the street?
    In a world where half the singleplayer games are nostalgia bait remasters, and other half- big, expensive blockbusters hoping to some day get a nostalgia bait remaster to double dip into profits, racing games' specifics mean that they don't have staying power, they are transient in nature, so always online live service's transience seems like a perfect fit to the big shots. They don't see games, they only think of profits, and an expensive, content-heavy game where all the content created is guranteed to age and fall out of relevance is not an appealing proposition. If content is transient, it must be squeezed for profit.

    • @cooperp6429
      @cooperp6429 16 днів тому +2

      Nobody cared about the cobalt SS even when MW was new :D It was the many other cars that people loved. ;)
      Look at GT4 or GT2. Cars of that era are rather sought after simply because people used to race them in the GT games. I'd argue, that most JDM/japanese cars would have barely any value, if it wasn't for GT and Fast and Furious. I mean who would care about civics, accords, and other boring econoboxes if it wasn't for the GT games, and the fast and furious movies?
      Just look at cars that never made it into these franchises. They usually sell for peanuts. And what is the difference between a skoda octavia (in europe) or a base honda accord, with a base engine? Nothing or a Mitsubishi Carisma and a base model Lancer, again nothing, yet the Carisma is worth nothing, simply bacause it wasn't in GT2 and GT4, and people go crazy about the Lancer. :)
      So I'd say many cars get famous because they were in these games, and not the other way around. Ofc, there are some exceptions, such as some of the starter cars in the NFS series, like who would want a mint base model Peugeot 206, 106 or something similar? While technically they are as interesting as a non vtec 1.4 civic, yet 1.4 civic still are worth something.

    • @1mariomaniac
      @1mariomaniac 12 днів тому

      ​​@@cooperp6429 Me, I'd like a Peugeot 106. They're neat little cars, preferably the 106 Rallye though.

  • @lukasjames9977
    @lukasjames9977 Місяць тому +4

    Rofl i mean this in the nicest way possible, but your videos are great to fall asleep to.
    I see a new vid , pass out about 15 minutes in and then have to finish it later . Keep up the great work

    • @MIKEY777_
      @MIKEY777_ Місяць тому

      Lol i think its the background music

  • @scottthewaterwarrior
    @scottthewaterwarrior 27 днів тому +11

    I refuse to buy games that are always online. Heck, I don't even want to play the free ones! I hate the idea of putting time into something that can be taken away without my consent.

  • @LancerloverLL
    @LancerloverLL Місяць тому +28

    0:11 The background music tells me you are a true man of culture!

  • @Erowens98
    @Erowens98 Місяць тому +12

    The true main reason for Always Online is because Sony told Polyphony they had to.
    Sony benefits from always online because it improves their PSN statistics and thus makes investors happy.

    • @osimos
      @osimos Місяць тому +5

      For real. But, in the meantime - as all investors whom never play games happily count their money - who makes the gamers happy?

    • @nickthompson1812
      @nickthompson1812 9 годин тому

      @@osimos misconception, happiness isn’t the goal, profit is. As long as people keep buying, investors are encouraged to force developers to rush and give us this level of quality.

  • @0uttaS1TE
    @0uttaS1TE Місяць тому +13

    The worst part about always-online games being shut down is that every good idea, every stylistic flourish, every cool moment, even in a game that is for all intents and purposes boring or mid, dies with it. No new players get to experience that. No new devs get to learn from it. The dev just gets their work shredded.
    The Crew is mid when you get down to brass tacks. The handling is odd, the story is bland and unnecessary, the openworld somehow has Ubitowers(tm) in it. But that doesn't mean it should be shut down. There were still good ideas, good gameplay moments, good art here, in spite of Ubisoft.
    Same with NFS Rivals and 2015 (2015 especially still has the best soundtrack in any NFS game. Bar none.), who are getting closer and closer to the same fate, given how old those games are. Same with TDU Solar Crown, even. They have to be preserved, made playable after the fact, not just tossed like the years of work from the devs and hundreds of hours from players meant nothing.

    • @oli_gordon
      @oli_gordon Місяць тому +1

      Hi kacey viewer
      Do you know what the gtpsp integration did in gt5?

    • @IMX383
      @IMX383 Місяць тому +2

      Rivals at least has an Offline option which is in settings

    • @Pri11-k7l
      @Pri11-k7l Місяць тому +1

      Rivals can be playable offline

  • @shortcat
    @shortcat Місяць тому +12

    Removing multiplayer when shutting the server down is NOT ok, NOT understandable. Up until like 2009 most games allowed players to host servers themselves.

  • @marcellogiovannini9072
    @marcellogiovannini9072 Місяць тому +16

    Another case is NFS The Run, where most of the cars were unlockable only by playing online!

    • @literallyhuman5990
      @literallyhuman5990 Місяць тому +1

      I genuinely don't know that game existed

    • @0Synergy
      @0Synergy Місяць тому +4

      Tbh that game on PC is a fucking technical nightmare, that was back during the era of awful PC ports.

    • @ShadowOfCicero
      @ShadowOfCicero Місяць тому +1

      The bigger problem was not having enough events to use most of them if you weren't online. A simple time trial mode would have tripled its longevity.

    • @Pri11-k7l
      @Pri11-k7l Місяць тому

      Yeah I was sad Unfortunately the servers were taken offline in late 2021
      Worse that the Italian pack dlc was a console exclusive to the 7th generation of consoles which is impossible to get , unless jailbreak the console itself
      Worse the cars locked behind multiplayer and dlcs

    • @b.1570
      @b.1570 Місяць тому +1

      @@literallyhuman5990 And that game was the last nail in the coffin for BlackBox Studios

  • @Person-d2k
    @Person-d2k 29 днів тому +6

    At this point they're trying to have every racing game be focused on online mechanics. See a cool feature that interests you? Well it's behind a paywall or it's required for you to sign up then get it. No internet connection? Then we'll make the game unplayable as possible. I swear that's what modern racing games do in general, taking apart like 50-70% of the game. But in a lot of modern games in general, you'd have to sign up for subscription to play or be stuck offline with no features that the online mode has. Can we just make it not online based?!

  • @KingENDLESS
    @KingENDLESS Місяць тому +42

    *me vibing to the persona background music*

    • @mafiousbj
      @mafiousbj Місяць тому +6

      I remember thinking Persona 5 was likely the most stylish game I had ever played until that point. Music added to the vibe a lot.
      Years later and still think so, and its music (and from previous Persona games too) seem to be everywhere in video essays.
      Justified in my book 😁

    • @KingENDLESS
      @KingENDLESS Місяць тому +3

      @ persona 3,4, and 5 have some of the best background music ever produced. I still listen to the soundtracks when I’m on a road trip or something too 😂

    • @Fay7666
      @Fay7666 Місяць тому +1

      It makes for a good chunk of the DustinEden soundtracks, and yep it's really notable that it's not just BGM, or _good_ BGM, but *GOOD* background music.
      ... most of his other stuff is Sega too, maybe Sega is just goated?

  • @gabrielsobrosa
    @gabrielsobrosa Місяць тому +9

    Not only that, but games in the past, because they didn’t have online modes, tried to convince the player that the place they entered and are playing in is a real place. Look at how the old TDUs gave the feeling of being real places, with houses, dealerships, and countless games without fast travel. Today, you enter a TC where you don’t have a house and only see menus with the activities you’re supposed to do for the week. This kills the atmosphere.

  • @BlackPanthaa
    @BlackPanthaa Місяць тому +20

    The infinite problem: car manufacturers. (and music licensing)
    Burn them down.

    • @amalekedomite
      @amalekedomite Місяць тому +11

      That is a symptom, not the cause. The real issue is eternally-extended copyright. Copyright should be date of publication +15-20 years. That's it. No more. Make something new.

    • @assettoGTR
      @assettoGTR Місяць тому

      Real

    • @aliekexie8467
      @aliekexie8467 Місяць тому +8

      Says the guy who was part of the marketing of test drive solar crown. Is irony a foreign concept for you?

  • @edgarb2002
    @edgarb2002 Місяць тому +28

    It’s not just racing games but almost all games need online to play now. It’s a plague in the industry as bad as loot boxes.

  • @maddog7999
    @maddog7999 3 дні тому +2

    “you will own nothing, and be happy…”

  • @DVSnark
    @DVSnark Місяць тому +6

    You could have just called this “The Online Dystopia of Modern Games”

  • @Zaque-TV
    @Zaque-TV Місяць тому +24

    True as hell, dude. Im going to be pissed when gt7 just stops working.

    • @ShiningJudgment666
      @ShiningJudgment666 Місяць тому +4

      There's definitely more to it once GT7 goes offline. Because how will the Used and Legendary Cars dealerships function if Polyphony do what they did with GT Sport once it goes offline? Liveries being completely nixed once that happened was also a major misstep for that game.

  • @EmoDKTsuchiya
    @EmoDKTsuchiya Місяць тому +15

    Almost like all major game genres are experiencing the same thing 😂

  • @matman000000
    @matman000000 13 днів тому +2

    "Games as a service" just means "games as a fee"

  • @scaldabagnoincrostato5402
    @scaldabagnoincrostato5402 Місяць тому +13

    In TDU2 all the DLC downloadable cars are unobtainable even if u can drive them in specific missions
    But at least u can play the base game without any problem

  • @EQUAL2
    @EQUAL2 Місяць тому +19

    i started playing out of all games, webfishing, recently.
    i feel the reason it is already as popular as it is is because of the way the game is structured, similar to that of old gran turismo titles.
    you fish, sell fish and earn money, to upgrade and unlock different things, to get better fish, to sell them for more money, etc. similar to gran turismo except the prize is somewhat random.
    why don't more game devs realize this? i really hope concord's massive fucking flop has made devs realize that this online only dripfeed bullshit isnt going to work anymore, or at least, for too much longer.

    • @CyanRooper
      @CyanRooper Місяць тому +4

      "Yo, what if we made Gran Turismo but with fish?"
      "You son of a b I'm in."

    • @yourface2464
      @yourface2464 Місяць тому +2

      You know what's funny?
      Webfishing
      The game that is an online chatroom simulator
      The game with web in the name
      Is not an always online game

  • @horizon_angel
    @horizon_angel Місяць тому +4

    As quoted by KuruHS one day, "why would even trying something new, while removing the feature we all love? What's the point of that?"
    Anyway, I remember all our expectations back then is that we have a fully functional game since launch, that'll gradually update overtime with an ACTUAL updated content, not RECYCLED content, no matter what polish it is (ahem, Polyphony). And with extended fact that developers can get away with releasing a broken game at launch and fix it afterwards is, such an irony
    To think that racing games can only last for a time because of licensing, I do believe we can have racing games without licensed cars, music, etc. Proven by Burnout back then, and maybe even Wreckfest now (the music is probably licensed, so let's gloss over that). It's just that people now PREFER licensed cars over lookalike unbranded cars, and yet they're complaining about not be able to put LBW bodykit on a Ferrari, when clearly it's not the game fault, it's Ferrari themselves

  • @C.I...
    @C.I... Місяць тому +19

    I am astounded I can still play NFS2015. I do hope they release a patch to remove the always online element before they take it offline, but I'm not hopeful. Saying that, they've kept it running for almost a decade now, so they might continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Also, taking it offline might break the bug that allows me to actually have a big car collection in the game and not just "maybe two cars if I''m lucky".

    • @DerpSherman
      @DerpSherman Місяць тому +2

      Well,if not mistaking,NFS The Run had also online limitations and they never patched it, meaning that the game suffered once the servers were shut down (the PC version can be patched, the console versions are not so lucky).

    • @Pri11-k7l
      @Pri11-k7l Місяць тому

      @@DerpSherman all dlcs can be unlocked by using a dlc unlocker exe file for PC

    • @hamdichami4636
      @hamdichami4636 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@DerpShermanYou just turn off wifi on boot and the game runs just fine. Bit of a hassle but it isn't too bad

    • @0uttaS1TE
      @0uttaS1TE Місяць тому +2

      Yeah, say what you want about EA but when it comes to licencing and maintenance, they don't do things by half. I heard that they only JUST shut down NFS Carbon's servers last year (I think) and that game was already more than 15 years old.

    • @DerpSherman
      @DerpSherman Місяць тому +2

      @@0uttaS1TE Well, they kept Undercover available to buy on the Xbox 360 store until the store closed (alongside MW2012 and Rivals), in fact, they kept a really long catalog of games available until the last day for that matter.

  • @SpeedHero
    @SpeedHero Місяць тому +7

    Hardware has further divided the playbases as well. Where some people are only able to enjoy the game by controller, others by wheel and further others in VR. This not only makes it harder to develop consistency to match expectations, it's tough to pickup a controller when you feel like you're getting a lesser experience than others playing. Back to BeamNG

  • @hudsonja
    @hudsonja 11 днів тому +2

    After the situation with The Crew, I'm never spending another cent on a game with Ubisoft's name on it. I refuse to pay for a game that will eventually become unplayable, especially when I own a physical copy. Absolutely awful.

  • @Speedyey
    @Speedyey Місяць тому +16

    The biggest problem i have with the live service model is that they force you to play if you want rewards... They drop one chapter of content, and you have a limited amount of time to play that chapter and unlock the rewards, and if you dont do it when its there, you wont get the reward.
    I dont mind a grind for rewards if i want the reward, but forceing people to play the game instead of just adding content is so extremely stupid. I PAID FULL PRICE FOR THE GAME, THAT MEANS I SHOULD GET ALL THE CONTENT, WHENEVER I DECIDE TO PLAY THE GAME!!!
    If this model gets fixed, i see way less of a problem with live service model... but yea, that wont happen

  • @abyssaldision8272
    @abyssaldision8272 17 днів тому +2

    The attacks on game preservation recently both at the Internet archive and the striking down of libraries lending games goes hand in hand with these always online, live service tactics as well.

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 11 днів тому +1

      Online Only practices should be stopped as quickly as possible.

  • @richardhammock2829
    @richardhammock2829 Місяць тому +8

    It sounds like racing games now are made for shareholders and not for players. The "we'll fix it in updates" card does not work at all. If I built an apartment building that has many glaring issues and defects, I do not say to my tenants that "I will fix it some other time", like, when will you fix it, plus shouldn't those issues been ironed out before the building is deemed complete? It's similar to racing games and updates. I also doubt that the developers (like PD) even TEST their game. If the players are the testers, then you have not released a complete game at all.
    Adding on to this: The way big racing devs treat online only/DRM is so ignorant toward the quality of the game, how the players will recieve or appreciate the game and as well as the future of the game, seemingly because they believe in what I almost call a myth that people will just naturally move on to what their next current offering is when the predecessor gets shutdown. What if the next game becomes uninteresting? Might be a bad analogy but its like me being Apple and making older phones stop being usable so I can get my customers to get my newest phone. Not only does it just milk peoples banks for something potentially inferior, but it also makes the game less memorable.
    It also seems now that the only thing that we can say tht devs do great at nowadays is create hype. Hype with no substance. PD created a lot of hype before GT7 was released, so that many people could go and buy their game, only to realize that all the hype has been converted to little value for players, and a completely divided community.

    • @drjk7565
      @drjk7565 Місяць тому

      The best we can hope for is that a group of developers (from the indies, AA and even ex-AAA developers) band together and create a brand-new racing IP, one for the players and not the shareholders. It doesn't need to have the fanciest graphics (GT5 or Forza 4 levels are good enough) or the most advanced physics (e.g. IRacing or Assetto Corsa), but it has a fantastic career progression, a wide enough variety of cars from well-known icons to obscure models, and other quirky features (e.g. Photomodes, replay edits etc.) to keep you playing long after the next title is released. Most importantly, no more DRMs or the threat of end-of-service shutdowns!!
      At the moment, I'm keeping an eye on Assetto Corsa EVO, with the hope that when it releases, it gives the entire racing genre the wake-up call it desperately needs right now.

  • @OldSchoolgamer49
    @OldSchoolgamer49 Місяць тому +6

    This is why piracy will NEVER go away! Its the only way to play a decent, complete game where single player was priority over multi player.

  • @GT_177
    @GT_177 10 днів тому +2

    The reason GT7 needs always online is so they can make sure people don't credit glitch so they can sell their disgustingly overpriced packs

  • @asdowo111
    @asdowo111 29 днів тому +2

    Best driving physics and active modding community is all you need in making a great racing game.

  • @joeherrera8826
    @joeherrera8826 16 днів тому +2

    One of the things I can't stand about modern racing games is being online only especially for single player modes. I for the life of me can't understand why they do this with games like Forza and GTA.

  • @Cat_in_The-Box
    @Cat_in_The-Box Місяць тому +8

    Not enough people talk about licensing. It's annoying, paywalls indie devs and screws up players down the line.
    In my personal opinion licensing for cars, tracks, music and so on should be indefinite for a product like game, movies too tbh

    • @cool3865
      @cool3865 22 дні тому

      honestly i blame GT and Forza series for being so big they have changed the way racing games use to get licenses for cars and tracks

  • @madelineariah
    @madelineariah Місяць тому +2

    Regarding The Crew:
    This seems to be a broken record among games critics, but as someone who played that game religiously for a few years, it was made very redundant by The Crew 2 continuing to get updated over that same time period. And the single player campaign really was a sliver of everything that made the game work. It was only 63 races. What most people remember The Crew for is the Faction events and those do need a server-side connection regardless of if you are playing alone or with friends.
    Further, Ubisoft Ivory Tower has actually committed to making The Crew 2 and Motorfest available offline - something you neglected to mention during that criticism. But it is going to take time. Everyone thinks you can just flip a switch and the answer is you just cannot.
    Forza Horizon 4 is also going to be playable offline after it's delisted because it is already able to be. NFS Rivals, another online-centric game, can still be played offline. And PirateSoftware brought up a good point when he said that reworking The Crew 1 to be offline only would have been too much of a time/labor burden when the average player count was in the double digits most of the time, whereas The Crew 2 still gets thousands to tens of thousands on average.
    But then the other aspect of all this is that it's all a bit contradictory. You talked about length about how these games "should" have an ending, an official wrapping up of the story followed by a roll credits, to which most players would never touch the game again. But then, you also criticize these games as shutting down unceremoniously as if players will still want to keep playing them after they have run out of things to do. I personally do not understand that.
    When SOG called The Crew 1 "Ubislop," my kneejerk was response was, "If you hate it so much, but still want it available to be hated on, what are you doing with your life?"
    Things can end. Things should end. And you should cherish the memories you made along the way. Nobody complains when they spend $700 to go to TwitchCon or PAX for a week, then the experience is over and they have to pay another $700 to go the following year. Why do we put this burden on gaming? I will never understand it.

  • @Willie_Pete_Was_Here
    @Willie_Pete_Was_Here Місяць тому +6

    Launching a game unfinished and then patching it later is like selling us the beta version.

    • @s.muller8688
      @s.muller8688 Місяць тому +2

      we all know that by now, hence you wait at least a year to buy any game ( if ever).

  • @chromeinox
    @chromeinox Місяць тому +6

    That's why you NEVER pay full price for a Ubisoft game. Ever.

    • @onroad4x248
      @onroad4x248 14 днів тому +1

      They're barely worth pirating now

  • @chrissre7935
    @chrissre7935 8 днів тому +3

    I have still have my Gran Turismo 1/2/3/4 Backed Saves from over 26 years ago. I never knew you can play even GT1 with a steering wheel. Soo when i got my new sim setup. Got it on emulator and had this nostalgia rush while loading the save file that was last played in like 1999. With Cars tuned for my liking, cars my friends made and we raced on split screen, all my best lap times I could not beat now. And the replays when I remmember the first replay i made when I got the game on christmass as a kid.
    And now what is the point of investing in a game that can't be played just couple years later.

  • @ThrobbedKnobz
    @ThrobbedKnobz 13 днів тому +1

    The amount of time and late nights just crusing,drifting,carshows. Gt sport was so good, met so many people on there. All the liveries.. all just a good memory.

  • @dhproductions4212
    @dhproductions4212 29 днів тому +3

    Here's hoping indie titles are able to make larger studios, like Polyphony or Turn 10, change how they approach their games for the better.
    That space is where we're getting innovation, like with Inertial Drift.

  • @cyz44
    @cyz44 Місяць тому +15

    exactly why GT4 is still so popular - my favourite GT game by far, followed by GT5

    • @MIKEY777_
      @MIKEY777_ Місяць тому

      Played GT6 recently
      Any idea why it's not liked? Its not that different from GT5

    • @Zhawn7
      @Zhawn7 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@MIKEY777_ Too similar to GT5 and the fact it released on the PS3 even though the PS4 was already out by then

    • @madmax2069
      @madmax2069 26 днів тому

      And there's a Spec II mod for GT4

  • @bantuatha
    @bantuatha Місяць тому +4

    "The moment I knew the weakness is my always online racing games.... it disgusted me"

  • @ZOoM21
    @ZOoM21 Місяць тому +7

    You should’ve mentioned that after what happened to The Crew, Ubisoft is adding an offline mode to the most recent Crew game.

    • @cool3865
      @cool3865 22 дні тому +3

      yeah they announced that The Crew 2 will have offline mode

  • @themcpolo
    @themcpolo Місяць тому +5

    Good video!
    Also playing music from ridge racer 5 around the 15 minute mark hit home for me. Euphoria for those wondering.

    • @0uttaS1TE
      @0uttaS1TE Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, he does use a lot of older Ridge Racer music

  • @syncro9407
    @syncro9407 Місяць тому +2

    Love your videos man, every time you upload its a blessing fr

  • @flawlesspwrs
    @flawlesspwrs Місяць тому +7

    any day roflwaffle uploads is a good day

  • @MR80YT
    @MR80YT Місяць тому +12

    23:08 Agreed with everything said in the video. However, in recent FH titles, you CAN sell duplicate cars from wheelspins for half of their original value.
    Also, the Auction House isn't even available in FH2. It came back to Forza since FH3.

    • @o_sagui6583
      @o_sagui6583 Місяць тому +4

      Well too bad the prompt to sell a duplicate car doesn't appear when you win it mid championship.
      And when you're done with said championship the car will already be at your garage where you can only choose to destroy, gift or sell for 1/10th of the price in the auction house

    • @MR80YT
      @MR80YT Місяць тому +3

      @@o_sagui6583 As someone who races in Horizon Open regularly, I completely understand your point :)
      I know the implementation is far from perfect, but I just wanted to say that it's been featured in the game.

  • @THRILLSON2183
    @THRILLSON2183 Місяць тому +3

    I think part of it too is that companies don’t make sports cars anymore. And it seems to be harder and harder to secure licenses. New games come out with the same car list as the last 3 titles.

  • @bloodykenshiro8218
    @bloodykenshiro8218 Місяць тому +3

    Honesty you defined things pretty well at the end. Modern racing games are created with a time bomb strapped to their chests and numbered days. This really affects most genres that are inherently competitive like First Person Shooters and the like, and many of the same issues are present.

  • @GTRFREAK17
    @GTRFREAK17 Місяць тому +4

    Another sad point for racing games on platforms moving towards digital only is licensing - once the profit doesn't outweigh the licensing costs, downloading the game will most likely be turned off.
    Driver : San Francisco suffered this fate because it used real life cars and music - no idea how expensive licensing for cars costs but I'd happily still play it even if the soundtrack was removed.

  • @hyperdude144
    @hyperdude144 18 днів тому +2

    >2024.
    >Can't sell items in a game because no internet.
    >WTF

  • @Bahraini_Carguy
    @Bahraini_Carguy Місяць тому +7

    22:00 Trying to replay GT5 years after the shut down was a bit painful since the online dealership and seasonal events no longer works so earning money and buying the Formula GT is now harder.

    • @tjcaltex4890
      @tjcaltex4890 Місяць тому

      When I played GT5 after the Online side shut down, I'd always find Save Editors where you can change your money. But the online dealership and seasonal events and even cars that could only be obtained online was the shit part.

  • @purwantiallan5089
    @purwantiallan5089 11 днів тому +2

    Online Only games ruined everything and made these games no longer fun to play. Hope in 2026 or 2027, these Online Only practices must be stopped.

  • @boomkittyFX
    @boomkittyFX Місяць тому +4

    i wish "if you can't enjoy it offline, online shouldn't be considered yet" was a thing modern games would follow. test drive unlimited 2 is still an amazing game to me even if i cant get the online stuff at all because i played it long after the servers closed. this is because its fun
    this sort of stuff should be considered especially if the servers have issues like... ahem.... solar crown, and if the servers end up shutting down outright such as (of course) tdu2, the older forza horizon games, and a bunch of 360/ps3 era nfs games

  • @user-zezezozodarkdomains
    @user-zezezozodarkdomains 5 днів тому +2

    Seriously as far as i see the only realistic (and pseudo-realistic, so i'm not talking about Mario Kart, GRIP combat racing, or Redout) racing games bearable now are:
    Assetto Corsa: since like 2016 or 2017 the developers doesn't update the game anymore and most of its enhancements are community sourced. However it rely on
    Wreckfest: Includes DRM-Free option, stopped adding new content as of 2024.
    TRAIL OUT: Includes DRM-Free option, however as of 2024 the GOG version lagged behind in terms of updates as 2024 introduces many many new updates
    Gear Club Unlimited 2: Doesn't include DRM-Free option and it's basically an unoptimized shovelware, but practically no online content.
    Any racing games by Milestone: While they didn't include DRM-Free option and some features are locked behind online paywall, all of the games doesn't rely on internet content much.

  • @zays_mentos
    @zays_mentos Місяць тому +7

    Honestly, as someone who's only just started playing GT7 recently (like, 4 months ago), despite how I didn't have as much of a problem with the game as many long-term fans, I'm already feeling kinda burnt out.

  • @BrownSofaGamer
    @BrownSofaGamer Місяць тому +2

    Take Two and Polyphony in a battle to see who can alienate fans of their franchises faster.

  • @djungelskog2654
    @djungelskog2654 Місяць тому +13

    That's why I have been enjoying nfs Heat/Unbound so much
    For Unbound, completely separate campaigns between Multiplayer and Singleplayer, with minor differences
    For Heat, you can complete the game start to finish completely in singleplayer and not miss a single piece of the game

    • @3xtan327
      @3xtan327 Місяць тому +3

      I am worried they might drop the ball with the next game given the online focused updates of unbound with 0 focus on singleplayer.

    • @Pri11-k7l
      @Pri11-k7l Місяць тому

      Heats single player is good
      Unbounds multiplayer is better

    • @Pri11-k7l
      @Pri11-k7l Місяць тому +1

      @@3xtan327 they dropped the ball already as multiplayer is the only focus
      But once the servers are pulled , it can be cracked with within weeks

    • @Calvin_Coolage
      @Calvin_Coolage Місяць тому +3

      Same goes for Payback, which I think is my favorite of the modern NFS games. If it had on demand police chases and a modification system that's more like Heat's it would be a 10/10. Hell it's already at leqst a 5 just because Fortune City is an amazing open world map.

    • @Denniz69
      @Denniz69 Місяць тому +1

      Heat was insane but Unbound was crap imo.
      But its offline playable which makes it kind of okayisch => I paid 80€ so im dissapointed

  • @chelli95
    @chelli95 Місяць тому +1

    This is the most complete video I've ever seen on this subject! 😊👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @davemk9
    @davemk9 Місяць тому +7

    I seriously hate online focused games, especially for racing, but this video made me think about something. There are so many people working on these games and adding their own creativity. Even if some of these games lack features and are hated, people still work on them for a year or more. We have movies, shows, books, vehicles or whatever you can think of and even after many years we can go back and appreciate them for what they were in the past. The sad part is not only that players can't enjoy a classic, but even the people who worked hard on it. Like you said, modern games have become disposable. So much money and time wasted creating these games only to be thrown away in the end. It's a shame that game companies don't even care about their own creations.

    • @lobotomyscam1051
      @lobotomyscam1051 Місяць тому +2

      Most of the people who work on games shudder when a game they helped create gets mentioned; It reminds them of working long hours. Poor babies.

  • @dankruptcy2800
    @dankruptcy2800 Місяць тому

    Roflwaffle upload, my joy is immeasurable and my day is saved

  • @ianmurray246
    @ianmurray246 Місяць тому +14

    This online only will turn people away from future games

    • @osimos
      @osimos Місяць тому +6

      The ship is already sinking: Concord, PS5 Pro, all new Ubisoft games...Honestly, we do need a second game crash.

    • @azerty1933
      @azerty1933 Місяць тому

      Definitely, same for games that can only be launched after an update, I don't have much free time anymore and if I start my xbox it's only for an hour once every few weeks
      Now it feels like every time I want to play all I do is wait for my games to update and I end up playing nothing because everything is locked behind a 30 minute download with no option to play offline instead

  • @eurosonly
    @eurosonly Місяць тому +2

    I remember when the servers went down constantly when gran turismo first came out and people were losing their save progress because the save file was and still is stored on the servers. It really spoiled my game play experience and I went back to playing gran turismo 2 and I am a happy boy as a result. Having to be always connected to the servers for a single player game is only just punishing legitimate players for there being a few hacker types.

  • @vazilin4ik
    @vazilin4ik Місяць тому +4

    please, kill me, im so done with life

  • @rachelpurity1
    @rachelpurity1 Місяць тому +4

    What's really awesome about Horizon 5 for example is that, despite paying 80 bucks for that shit and it being a "live service" game after, you still need to pay for the DLC packs, which cost up to 30 each and then all the cars that get added are almost exclusively locked behind MORE FUCKING PAYMENTS for "car packs".
    I've actually calculated it one day, in order to unlock all the cars currently in game, you HAVE TO (you can't even grind for them normally!!) spend 172.81 Euros ON TOP OF the price for the game, at which point you wouldn't even own all the DLC, just anything that gives you cars at the moment.

    • @beegxxc9832
      @beegxxc9832 Місяць тому

      And even if you’re willing to pay - many of these cars are just different versions of cars that are already in the game 😂
      Sucks both ways - if you’re not paying you don’t get some models that might interest you. If you’re about to buy DLC’s - some of the cars you pay for are irrevelant…

  • @FAT8893
    @FAT8893 Місяць тому +5

    That's why I keep playing older racing games. Online-only games is still a big mistake.

  • @jkliao6486
    @jkliao6486 Місяць тому +16

    The modern day racing games are so bad that a drive to my local grocery store is more fun. I even get an extra tank of fuel to cover the cost with the money I saved from not buying those games at full price.

    • @Vattiis_Happonnen
      @Vattiis_Happonnen Місяць тому

      In a way.... this was kind of the best alternative all along. To drive your own car in the real world

    • @alang.2054
      @alang.2054 Місяць тому

      ​@@Vattiis_HapponnenWell that's debatable, and by your comment it seems like you have never played any real racing sims like iracing, I mean racing 911 GT3 on sim with vr is million times more exciting than commuting and waiting in a traffic

  • @KTR_ProrataEevee
    @KTR_ProrataEevee Місяць тому +6

    Unless licensing becomes a non issue, this issue will probably still linger (and i do wonder if a cycle will begin as people look favorably on the games released in 2005-2011 now, but 10 years from now will they begin to see them as overrated?)

    • @Zhawn7
      @Zhawn7 Місяць тому

      It already happened with MW 2005 and maybe Burnout 3, GT4 or FlatOut 2 so 10 years would be a stretch