I wont lie, I really underestimated the mechanical depth of this game and it kicked my ass a lot during that first palace. This video was a great resource!
"I really underestimated the mechanical depth of this game and it kicked my ass" is how most people have been feeling after they actually started playing musou games instead of listening to those "reviewers" that for years kept saying "they're all the same just mash one button".
@@Sephyroth97 Personally I've never played a musou before this one so I had no idea what to expect, I will admit that the reviews for this game specifically did mislead me.
@@Coniptions 90% of Musou reviews in the past were made by people that refused to play the genre but after Hyrule warriors opened the series to a much larger audience they were forced to actually start. The consequence is now people are playing HW, AoC and this one and realizing that they're completely different aside from the basics of light and heavy attack to start combos and each game has a lot of mechanical depth going for it. A simple glance at One Piece Warriors 4 and/or Hyrule Warriors and even someone new like you will see a thousand differences in mechanics, hopefully you'll discover you enjoy musous in general :)
Yeah if you go into this game thinking it was as easy as pre-Hyrule Warriors Musou titles, your gonna get fucked hard. Every Musou game sense Hyrule Warriors have added more complex mechanics that require proper timing, exploiting the enemies weakness, and using the terrain to your advantaged. This game is ESPECIALLY hard cause it's a Megaten game, which are all notorious for kicking your ass .
@@Silverhand20203 ango is very easy because of environment attacks you dont need to cheese him because you can break his armor very easy and stop his attacks with ice
I was having so much fun but I couldn't shake this feeling I was doing something terribly wrong. I had no idea the skills were using the elements I had equipped. I was burning through my SP instantly on bosses and couldn't figure out why the hell I wasn't getting an all-out attack.
I had the same feeling because I’d get bodied by large groups of shadows and die instantly. The game is great but it’s a lot to take in. I wish it would’ve had a tutorial to practice the combos
(More gameplay tips below) Thanks for the great video. I was initially iffy on the combat in this game but now that I’ve seen the depth of the gameplay I am really enjoying it. There was two less significant aspects that I didn’t see covered in this video. 1. The the skills used at the end of a combo are weaker than using the sp/hp requiring variants. Ex: when using the combo variant of defense up it lasts less than 30 seconds. However, the sp variant lasts over a minute. This also goes for healing skills. I haven’t checked attack skills but I would assume they are the same 2. Physical and gun attacks require hp but upon use of the skill the amount of hp required to execute will be “greyed out” on your health bar and that hp will then be regenerated over time assuming you don’t loose any hp during the regen phase. This effectively means you can use the physical and gun skills infinitely and makes them great in boss fights since they are stronger than their combo variants.
I was unsure if I should get this game or not but this has sold me on this game, I wanted to see how the game worked before jumping in and boy does it look fun.
Nice guide. I haven't been using joker much since I'm busy leveling everyone else's master arts... Usually it takes a WHOLE DUNGEON just to learn all the abilities of ONE character. That's why for more than half of the game I can't utilize / observe Joker's abilities. Didn't know joker can be this op .
I might just have to buy this eventually now. I originally had no interest since I'm still waiting for SMT:V and had already played and loved P5 (I have Royal too, but haven't touched it yet, feels too soon still for me to want to replay P5); but this spinoff looks surprisingly fun and more in-depth, than I anticipated.
Great video as always! Byw have you considered making some videos for Guilty Gear Strive when it comes out? I think this game fits great since it also has a lot of gameplay techniques to dig into.
Traditional fighting games and RTS, are the only genres i'm not very good at. I might cover them, but usually won't be anything like a guide or "tips" video.
When I have extra money the way I get pp is by summoning the strongest persona I can through execution, THEN deleting the persona summoned. You just have to make sure you have enough money to summon the personas you want to use afterwards.
5:37 I think you might be colorblind my man, the shields are yellow lol. In all seriousness - thanks for this. There aren't too many vids on P5S around!
Not gonna lie this the first persona game i have ever played. Most of the time my only option is going on youtube and watching them so this helped alot.
Boy, I wished I new about the free Dia heals some Persona's like Pixie have earlier before I started the game, those Silky's are especially brutal early game.
@@jackjohnson8305 idk for me playing games with no challenge is boring... In hard the game makes you think exploiding the weakness of enemy and that stuff you know
This game is so hard for me cause I keep getting interrupted after 2 attacks and can never finish my combos :( also why is Yusuke's counter so difficult to procc
I have a [probably dumb] question: How do you go about "choosing" which persona skill is activated by the combos? Is there a way to pick? Is it based on the order? Or is it set in stone?
Its based on their element: so Jack frost would perform bufu, Jack o lantern would perform agi, etc. They show you the element when you pause to use a skill with sp.
How does the perfect dodge work in this game? I know it seems like it should be obvious, but I can't seem to ever do it. I mean the special dodge that slows time for a moment. I've spent hours trying to do it, learning the enemy attack patterns and i-framing through them seemingly frame-perfect at times, yet still that special slowdown is still something I have rarely ever triggered. It feels like there's something more to it than dodge timing. But maybe it's just an unusually tight window down to the actual frame you get hit or so.
Thanks for the vid. With the normal special attack combos to trigger persona skills for free, how do you control which skill is triggered? They seem to be random for me
Not sure I understand your question when you level up a persona in the velvet room using enhance persona feature it uses persona points to level a persona up as well as its stats that are in yellow gets the increase
This is perosna dependent. Two strikes and a special will always get you a support skill. You need at least three strikes to get the actual attack skill. You can lower the time yo get the attack skill by using special and then a follow up, but you can't proc the support skill this way.
Bro the thing is that all the enemies have super armor so when I try To do the combos that don’t use SP I’ll just get hit without finishing it I’m really getting tired of this game
Spam guns, upgrade Showtime/All Out Attack/Pass effects, go back to Jails when stronger, use checkpoints to return from the Jail and return back there to restore health and SP while buying consumable items specifically buying and saving higher healing items/revives and SP items. There you go, you now have broken the game.
Great guide dude, but putting Yusuke to the back was a loss. Despite his eccentric nature when it comes to combat he is no slouch, his abilities are badass especially against those with Ice alignment weakness he can mulch them. All of them bring a little something to the table.
As someone who has played both types, this game is more like an action RPG version of Persona 5, than Dynasty Warriors. That being said, battles seem to devolve into chaos, unless you know what you are doing.
A little misinformation. Skills in combos are weaker. Buffs and debuffs last less, heals are way weaker, attacks deal less damage and break less shield gauge, concentrate and charge have a way reduced damage boost
Here's some additional tips: 1) Do not put Bond points into the top row on your first playthrough. The stat points are minuscule, and maxing out Joker's Wild, and the other talents on the bottom two rows will have a much larger effect on your gameplay. Bondmaker should of course be the first one you increase to rank 2. 2) Max out Avenger on the BOND chart immediately. This allows the counter to trigger on auto-dodge and will make Masukukaja insanely powerful. 3) Oracle Recovery, while useful, is a minimal effect with an extremely high cost. Just one point in it is satisfactory until you reach the point where you can level it again in 1 or 2 BOND levels. 4) Ammo Hoarder is bad, don't put points in it. 5) The four Persona Arts BOND skills as well as Proper Showman grant noticable upgrades, and can be a way to get a power boost if you're having problems in a jail. 6) Getting the Divine Grace passive on personas like Sarasvati will double the heal output of the free heal. 7) Get a Physical/Gun persona with high crit and you will melt end game bosses. Pretty much all of these bosses are heavily resistant to ailments, and hitting the weakness with a free persona strike normally does minimal damage. Instead, you should take advantage of the insane crit damage from critical hits and the fact that each critical shaves off a shield to stun lock bosses. Seth is an exemplary persona in this case since his 2-hit combo is Masukukaja and his 3-hit is One-Shot Kill. 8) Mudo and Hama skills work on mini-bosses and are fairly cheap SP wise to spam. If you are ill-equipped to handle a particular boss, then spamming this skill might be cheaper than the heal skills you'd end up using. This strategy becomes the preferred one once you get access to Nebiros, who naturally comes with Mudoon and mudo boost as well as a free Mudoon on her 5-hit combo. 9) Don't spend all your persona points over leveling an early game persona. The amount needed climbs in accordance to the number of levels above the level they are encountered at. Instead, focus on unlocking all of that Persona's unlockable skills and then trading up to a higher tier persona. Not only will you save Persona points, but the stat growth is normally in another league as well. 10) Junk Collection requests are repeatable for absurd amounts of cash, and coupled with Packrat can net you hundreds of thousands of yen each trip into the jail on top of the amount earned by battling.
I actually like oracle's recovery a lot as you can just heal the party and restore your sp by clearing out trash mobs. disagree when it comes to leveling early game personas as a lot of personas can be fussed by using a high level early game persona. The weird thing about early game personas is that they learn a lot of good skills that later personas don't. Rebel soul, technical adept, and soul thief are all really good early game skills that personas stop learning fairly early. Also for some reason summoning cost is heavily scaled to the personas base stats and increasing their stats and level only makes them slightly more expensive. my lv 32 arsene only cot 2.5k to summon but everything else around lv 30 cost me around 10-15k to summon. my level 15 jack o lantern cost 1.7k to summon but my level 12 slime cost 3.4k to summon. So you end up saving quite a bit of time and money as you don't have to chain summon multiple personas to get early game skills on your mid-late game personas. junk collection is a nice bonus but farming treasure demons is much faster. a single treasure demon in shibuya jail before any bonuses from extortionist is 30,000 and junk collection part 1 only gives 19,200. with treasure hunter and the security level high treasure demons are actually fairly common.
@@MrGhosta5 Thanks for the reply, it will allow me to go into a bit more depth as to the reasoning behind my tips. 1) Oracle Recovery is good, don't get me wrong that even netting 2 SP per battle is pretty big, but you have to weigh the bond skill cost and what it actually does in terms of upgrading it past the first rank. *You only gain 10 hp and 2 sp per battle for every rank, and the bond cost of Oracle recovery increases by 15/20/25.* This means you are spending 45 points to gain an extra 4 sp per battle. Putting these points into the bottom two rows for economy or maxing out Avenger/Joker's Wild has a much larger impact on your gameplay. In fact, having more money means you will probably buy more SP items and having more ranks in Metaverse Medic means they grant a lot more SP. I would recommend waiting until you get about 14-15 bond points per level for rank 2 and 19-20 points per level for rank 3 in terms of *when you should probably rank up Oracle Recovery.* 2) So, while it is possible to level up a Persona like Andras or Arsene and potentially fuse skills like *Dodge Phys, Rebel Soul, Technical Adept,* etc, it is a lot less grindy to use your persona points to only level a persona up to when they learn their last ability ( _excluding Arsene and some later personas that require lv90 for their last ability_ ). If you are properly developing your economy BOND skills, then yen shouldn't be a problem. Grinding out for these persona points is exponentially easier as you progress through the game if you are properly fusing personas. For example, my lv72 Kali costs 44,289 yen to summon, but will yield 253,798 persona points. Conversely, my lv40 Pixie only costs 1,749 yen to summon but only yields 2,831 persona points. It took significantly more persona points just to get that Pixie to level 40 than it did to get my Kali. Leveling up both of these persona at this point are about equal despite the massive difference in level, stats, growth, and persona point value. *This isn't to say that you shouldn't level up lower level persona eventually since some are needed to fuse end-game personas,* but its much better to actually do so once you reach the point where you can adequately farm for persona points and yen. Also, as an aside, *fusing skills up into other personas has the benefit of them technically carrying more than the standard 8 skills per registry.* This is because you can save them with inherited skills in the registry, and when you summon them for fusion material, you can adjust any skills they learn naturally through leveling up before actually fusing them. Leveling up a single persona to fuse into much higher personas will very rarely work out, and normally has a much easier fusion that wouldn't require several hundred thousand persona points to accomplish. 3) The real question is *why not both?* You generally need to do fights in order to get a treasure demon to spawn, and both are pitifully cheap bond point wise by the time they unlock. If anything, I would say that Packrat is more of a passive way to increase your income where as Treasure Hunter makes actual farming more efficient. Treasure Hunter is a lot more important in the post-game as you can level quickly by hunting them.
Big tip: Use Yusuke. Legit, just use Yusuke. I noticed that a lot of bosses resist ice and I think that was supposed to balance him somehow, but it evidently did not work. He is the crit king, and crits do damage to boss shields. Further, I think that auto-dodge activated for me way more on him than anyone else; in short, his agility (best stat in the game imo) is really, really good.
Just as an added FYI for anyone basically swapping money for persona points, you can resummon and delete from the summon menu. just summon them press options button on playstation (or whatever corresponding button it is for switch/pc) and you can delete them right there and summon again. You can see at 6:34 that theres an option to delete right in the bottom right as hes hovering over forneus who he had just summoned. No need to back out and go into your menu to delete it then go back into the compendium to resummon.
@@eirmundgundnand9442 in his defense, there are so many mechanics at the beginning of the game, that it doesn't hurt to have a reminder. I was completely lost during most of my first battles.
Great video and super helpful. Thank you. I've been brute forcing my way through the first jail, but couldn't shake the feeling I was missing major aspects of combat. This helped.
finally did something right pfff you obviously never heard of dynasty warriors and samurai warriors the generation of muso was already good way before p5 strikers became a thing
I was very nervous that the combat would suck when i first saw this game getting announced. Or that it would be a short half-assed spin-off title not worth your time. But the game turned out to be really good. I think i almost prefer this combat system over the turn-based system of the main-line persona series.
@@ryn7782 You're allowed your opinion. Hard to believe nowadays, but people can have different opinions without trying to rip each other's heads off. ;D
Your opinion is quite interesting if you consider that initially ATLUS wanted to turn the original P5 into an ARPG but decided against it because they didn't want to throw away all their years of experience making turn based JRPGs. This is, in a way, a little bit of what P5 would have been, not nearly the same of course but it gives a general idea. Musou spin offs tend to have a lot of effort put in, more than mainline Dynasty Warriors; some examples include OPW4 and DQ Heroes and of course HW, they all have very different mechanics and very little in common outside of the very basics of the combo system from which everything stems.
@@ryn7782 ehh not really, there's nothing necesarilly unique with the first two games' combat, they dont really use that much reliance on smt combat so they just feel like regular rpgs
Really good tips! I would really like a tips vid on technicals and guns. Haven't really seen anyone delve into that. Gun ammo restores after every battle so a strong gun combination could be really good.
another couple of small ones for if you want to move quick: Dash Slash movement: Alternate between dashing and your basic attack. Attacking lets you dash a lot more often. Jump Slash movement: a lot harder than Dash Slash for a small extra speed boost. Instead of attacking, jump and then dash VERY QUICKLY. Landing on the ground lets you dash basically immediately afterwards. These movement options are best used with Joker, with Makoto being a close second (due to their first attack in their combo being fast and having decent reach) To give you an idea of how little extra speed you get from Jump Slash compared to Dash Slash, the time it takes to get from the Bicorn Fight room to the waterway exit (with Joker) is 10 seconds with Jump Slash and 11 seconds with Dash Slash. But even Dash Slash is a lot faster than just casual dash speed (speed after pressing dash button), which takes at least 15 seconds to move between the same two locations.
Game mechanics are great so far imo. Playing on a ps5 (graphics game mode) looks like doodoo on a 4k/hdr tv. Jagged edges are so bad you would think it’s just 720p scaled to fit. Frame rate seems pretty solid though (without actually measuring it). I suppose some hardcore p5 fans that loved the turn based combat may not like the combat change. I personally do. However, I like the changes of combat in Yakuza like a Dragon too (which went the opposite direction). :)
@@miguelmmr4186 It's because the models are not 4K. They are just getting stretched out to fit the 4K resolution. Causing jagged lines. The bigger the screen the worse it will look. On PC you can fix it with Resolution scaling. I hope they make a PS5 version patch for the game that fixes it.
@@MeldinX2 ye but how did they released the game while it looks like this, its so bad compared to royal. Im playing it on pc and with the nvidia control panel i managed to make the look very sharp but i would prefer to play it on my ps5 :/
@@BoomstickGaming just segments of his armor, anytime he is about to cast god's hand or any of his other skills I would attack with your 5:30 strategy and he is still able to cast, didn't interrupt his abilities
A really good video my dude. I am in the Sapporo dungeon rn and I wish I had realized about the effect based skills being usable through combo. That's really cool. Good info
As someone who never got to experience P5 or P5R spoiler-free (thank you, internet), can I just say thank you very much for being so deliberate about avoiding spoilers in the video. :)
Remembering forgotten moves thru the persona menu doesn't apply to moves that it can't naturally learn. Meaning if u forget a move inherited thru fusion or learned via skill card, it's gone unless it's saved in the registry with that skill
I was wondering why when I casted a skill on stronger shadows they didn't flinch. I didn't realize that the skill interrupt is made by actually breaking a shield. That really helped me out. Also the skill combos on certain personas are really good to know. Amazing video, thanks, man.
junk collection is slow. junk collection part 1 in Shibuya jail gives 19,200 yen for collecting 15 items but killing 1 treasure demon gives 30k yen which can be boosted by extortionist for even more money. with treasure hunter and the jail security level close to max treasure demons spawn fairly regularly. personas used in fusions count as being dismissed and will give persona points when fussed. all persona fusions require the material personas be a minimum level. Most personas have many possible material combinations. You won't see a material combination in the list unless you have atleast one of the materials in the compendium. The missing persona will display ???? along side the minimum level needed. also you can open up the fussion page of a partially known fusion and look at the silhouette and stats of the unknown persona to figure out which persona you need. for example you won't see that you can fuse a lv 14 high pixie and a lv 34 legion to summon arsene until you have legion or high pixie in the compendium. once you register high pixie you'll see 2 new fusions for arsene that use lv 16 high pixie and an unknown persona. the lv 34 persona is legion and the lv 53 persona is bugs. once you register legion another combination for arsene that uses legion and an unknown persona will appear in the list. you can press square on PlayStation to collapse the summons list just show the summoned persona and then selecting the persona brings up the list of material combinations. A lot of personas can be summoned using high level early game personas. It's not practical to level early game personas but you may be able to fuse something really nice if a fusion accident gives you a high level persona with good skills. i managed to get curse boost on a lv 50 silky from a fusion accident and then fussed that silky into Nebiros.
same way in persona 5. Inflict burn then use wind attacks to deal more damage. inflict shock and attack with physical attacks. Inflict freeze and attack with physical attacks. Inflict brainwash/confuse and attack with psy attacks etc
@@Nitrotetrazole Joker actually has 3 skill combos total! His square,square, triangle, triangle does Dia with pixie, his 3X squares then triangles does zio and I don't remember what his master skill one does for pixie. Hope this helps even thought it's been a week :p
@@Nitrotetrazole I want to add that Skill Cards do NOT affect the combos. It's only tied to their move list of what they learn as they level up. For example, Jack O Latern's Agi combo, the Agi cannot be replaced with Agidyne because he never learns Agidyne. Usually the high tier skill takes presidence over lower skills ONLY if it's tied to their move list. You can use Skill Cards on Persona that actually learns the skill as they level up if you don't want to use PP on them. You can use the Skill Card Maeigaon on Arsene to replace his Eiha combo to Maeigaon combo since that skill is one of the skills he learns.
I'm here because I though it will be like dynasty warriors where you could rush enemies but this time I got my ass kicked a lot and my party died a lot on the first 2 palaces
This stuff would've been really useful to know for the first boss. By midgame though, you get a bunch of sp healing, so you just spam the super effective technique until you get all out attack, then use all out attack. Rinse and repeat. Even Reaper was just use Ann to burn them, then Nuclear attacks for technical damage. I think the game might've been better if the only way to use techs were from combos.
I wont lie, I really underestimated the mechanical depth of this game and it kicked my ass a lot during that first palace. This video was a great resource!
Hey thanks!
"I really underestimated the mechanical depth of this game and it kicked my ass" is how most people have been feeling after they actually started playing musou games instead of listening to those "reviewers" that for years kept saying "they're all the same just mash one button".
@@Sephyroth97 Personally I've never played a musou before this one so I had no idea what to expect, I will admit that the reviews for this game specifically did mislead me.
@@Coniptions 90% of Musou reviews in the past were made by people that refused to play the genre but after Hyrule warriors opened the series to a much larger audience they were forced to actually start. The consequence is now people are playing HW, AoC and this one and realizing that they're completely different aside from the basics of light and heavy attack to start combos and each game has a lot of mechanical depth going for it.
A simple glance at One Piece Warriors 4 and/or Hyrule Warriors and even someone new like you will see a thousand differences in mechanics, hopefully you'll discover you enjoy musous in general :)
Yeah if you go into this game thinking it was as easy as pre-Hyrule Warriors Musou titles, your gonna get fucked hard.
Every Musou game sense Hyrule Warriors have added more complex mechanics that require proper timing, exploiting the enemies weakness, and using the terrain to your advantaged.
This game is ESPECIALLY hard cause it's a Megaten game, which are all notorious for kicking your ass .
You are a life safer. Those mini bosses within the jails are rough on the SP.
I cheesed ango by just spamming skills since i stocked up on a ton of sp items
@@Silverhand20203 ango is very easy because of environment attacks you dont need to cheese him because you can break his armor very easy and stop his attacks with ice
@@Riftmaker17 it has been so long since i played it that i now have no idea who the hell ango is
You had trouble with SP on the mini bosses? Dude, SP was never a problem for me, and I almost never take into consideration the SP cost of the skills
I was having so much fun but I couldn't shake this feeling I was doing something terribly wrong. I had no idea the skills were using the elements I had equipped. I was burning through my SP instantly on bosses and couldn't figure out why the hell I wasn't getting an all-out attack.
Saaaaame legit was just playing the game told myself the same thing open UA-cam this is the first video on my recommendation
I had the same feeling because I’d get bodied by large groups of shadows and die instantly. The game is great but it’s a lot to take in. I wish it would’ve had a tutorial to practice the combos
yeah same
@@armedlove14 I mean, you can practice the combos outside of combat, so there’s really no problem there.
Hahaha I legit thought every checkpoint was setup for me to exit jail to restore my SP so I can continue on
Me who's challenging myself by only playing Joker with only Arsene: Interesting...
Haru went from the worst pick to my heaviest hitter thanks to master arts
Haru with maxed master arts is insanely fun and hits like a truck
Haru made the third boss look like a joke even at hard lol. It is easily one of the best to use along with Yauske
(More gameplay tips below)
Thanks for the great video. I was initially iffy on the combat in this game but now that I’ve seen the depth of the gameplay I am really enjoying it. There was two less significant aspects that I didn’t see covered in this video.
1. The the skills used at the end of a combo are weaker than using the sp/hp requiring variants. Ex: when using the combo variant of defense up it lasts less than 30 seconds. However, the sp variant lasts over a minute. This also goes for healing skills. I haven’t checked attack skills but I would assume they are the same
2. Physical and gun attacks require hp but upon use of the skill the amount of hp required to execute will be “greyed out” on your health bar and that hp will then be regenerated over time assuming you don’t loose any hp during the regen phase. This effectively means you can use the physical and gun skills infinitely and makes them great in boss fights since they are stronger than their combo variants.
I was unsure if I should get this game or not but this has sold me on this game, I wanted to see how the game worked before jumping in and boy does it look fun.
Enjoy!
Thanks I’m only an hour in and I’m loving it so far.
Nice guide.
I haven't been using joker much since I'm busy leveling everyone else's master arts...
Usually it takes a WHOLE DUNGEON just to learn all the abilities of ONE character.
That's why for more than half of the game I can't utilize / observe Joker's abilities.
Didn't know joker can be this op .
Had this video lined up for a year, started playing today and of course rewatched this ;-)
Lmao me too
Visiting it back due to the game is now free for PS+
"Upgrades people, upgrades!"
I might just have to buy this eventually now.
I originally had no interest since I'm still waiting for SMT:V and had already played and loved P5 (I have Royal too, but haven't touched it yet, feels too soon still for me to want to replay P5); but this spinoff looks surprisingly fun and more in-depth, than I anticipated.
Well it is canon follows after p5 vanilla so i would get it for the story and the fact it is very fun
Pretty much what the other guy said, P5S is not a spinoff, its a direct sequel of the vanilla P5. (rip the royal ending being not canon)
@@pravus247 Well P5S isnt "canon" too and if nothing is canon everything is
@@DeadbeatTako How it is not cannon?
really useful, thanks a lot
Great video as always! Byw have you considered making some videos for Guilty Gear Strive when it comes out? I think this game fits great since it also has a lot of gameplay techniques to dig into.
Traditional fighting games and RTS, are the only genres i'm not very good at. I might cover them, but usually won't be anything like a guide or "tips" video.
@@BoomstickGaming I see, anyway it's always been a great fun and pleasure to watch your video!
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@@ZoraVisions BY THE TIME IT HITS YOU
When I have extra money the way I get pp is by summoning the strongest persona I can through execution, THEN deleting the persona summoned. You just have to make sure you have enough money to summon the personas you want to use afterwards.
5:37 I think you might be colorblind my man, the shields are yellow lol.
In all seriousness - thanks for this. There aren't too many vids on P5S around!
I’m trash at the combat, thanks for the help
Not gonna lie this the first persona game i have ever played. Most of the time my only option is going on youtube and watching them so this helped alot.
great stuff man ,exactly what i needed before starting this game
Boy, I wished I new about the free Dia heals some Persona's like Pixie have earlier before I started the game, those Silky's are especially brutal early game.
How do I do it I need free heals
Great video dude, thanks for the help!
Lol i just mashed square and triangle and beat the game i had no idea it was this in-depth
X to Doubt.
@@JShepLord No
Yeah if you play in easy normal mode you beat the game like that but in hard you get 1 shoted if you play like that lmao
@@Nyxo1000 Why would i play on hard lmao
@@jackjohnson8305 idk for me playing games with no challenge is boring... In hard the game makes you think exploiding the weakness of enemy and that stuff you know
Okay, wow I didn't realize your combo strings fire off free spells that's great to know. ^^
Thanks for the tips, going all out on Switch.
Is Skill Inheritence still a thing when fusing Personas? I've not seen much on Persona fusion.
Yes it is!
Building a Phy, Healing Bicorn right now thanks to Skill Inheritance
@@LBorigin Awesome! Thanks for letting me know!
This is excellent!
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Great tips man
That's really good to know, I was trying to avoid the special combos to save sp
Great video to find now that the game is free for January on ps+
07:14 Except skills that you inserted with a card. Those get deleted permanently.
Thank you
This game is so hard for me cause I keep getting interrupted after 2 attacks and can never finish my combos :( also why is Yusuke's counter so difficult to procc
I have a [probably dumb] question: How do you go about "choosing" which persona skill is activated by the combos? Is there a way to pick? Is it based on the order? Or is it set in stone?
Based on stone it seems
Its based on their element: so Jack frost would perform bufu, Jack o lantern would perform agi, etc. They show you the element when you pause to use a skill with sp.
With joker it whatever persona you have equiped.
@@andrewchamberlain9523 I don't think so. Because the element for pixie is cure, but she does lightning every time i press square square triangle..
@@JTown465 it’s actually square square triangle triangle to use dia
Am I just really bad at this game, or is it really hard? This isn't my first action game or anything so I don't really understand why it's so hard.
How does the perfect dodge work in this game? I know it seems like it should be obvious, but I can't seem to ever do it. I mean the special dodge that slows time for a moment. I've spent hours trying to do it, learning the enemy attack patterns and i-framing through them seemingly frame-perfect at times, yet still that special slowdown is still something I have rarely ever triggered.
It feels like there's something more to it than dodge timing. But maybe it's just an unusually tight window down to the actual frame you get hit or so.
this looks sweet
Thanks for the vid. With the normal special attack combos to trigger persona skills for free, how do you control which skill is triggered? They seem to be random for me
Yea I was wondering the same.
You can swap your persona skills and place them in a new order but for some reason it has no effect at all.
time to go get pixie again
ive been looking for a video like this, but im wondering- when do you get the ability to enhance a personas stats with persona points?
Not sure I understand your question when you level up a persona in the velvet room using enhance persona feature it uses persona points to level a persona up as well as its stats that are in yellow gets the increase
It's when you reach Osaka or Okinawa I think
Question, I try doing the skill combo but it always uses the offensive move instead of Dia or whatever can increase my stats.
I'm having the same problem with pixie
Just figured it out for pixie. Light attack twice then heavy twice
@@DanZord1 ive been trying to do light attack 5 times then two strong but thanks ill try that
This is perosna dependent. Two strikes and a special will always get you a support skill. You need at least three strikes to get the actual attack skill. You can lower the time yo get the attack skill by using special and then a follow up, but you can't proc the support skill this way.
Bro the thing is that all the enemies have super armor so when I try To do the combos that don’t use SP I’ll just get hit without finishing it I’m really getting tired of this game
Spam guns, upgrade Showtime/All Out Attack/Pass effects, go back to Jails when stronger, use checkpoints to return from the Jail and return back there to restore health and SP while buying consumable items specifically buying and saving higher healing items/revives and SP items.
There you go, you now have broken the game.
Oh yeah, and repeat requests.
The best advice...
Play Zenkichi.
Great guide dude, but putting Yusuke to the back was a loss. Despite his eccentric nature when it comes to combat he is no slouch, his abilities are badass especially against those with Ice alignment weakness he can mulch them. All of them bring a little something to the table.
I absolutely loved Persona 5, but I don’t like the Musou Dynasty Warrior type of gameplay formula. Should I buy this game?
As someone who has played both types, this game is more like an action RPG version of Persona 5, than Dynasty Warriors. That being said, battles seem to devolve into chaos, unless you know what you are doing.
This feels way more Kingdom Hearts than Dynasty Warriors
Is this the first non turn based persona??
No, that would be Persona 4: Arena
As far as RPGs in Persona go, yes. For Shin Megami Tensei as a whole, there's been a few, such as the Raidou Kuzunoha series.
What?! Junk Collection was repeatable? Deym.
What level should I be to confront the first boss?
I'd say level 15 is the minimum
Not gonna lie, this is what I wish FFXV combat system should have been...
I should’ve watched this video earlier 😅
: )
A little misinformation. Skills in combos are weaker. Buffs and debuffs last less, heals are way weaker, attacks deal less damage and break less shield gauge, concentrate and charge have a way reduced damage boost
spoiler free waaaaaaahhhhou don't care
Here's some additional tips:
1) Do not put Bond points into the top row on your first playthrough. The stat points are minuscule, and maxing out Joker's Wild, and the other talents on the bottom two rows will have a much larger effect on your gameplay. Bondmaker should of course be the first one you increase to rank 2.
2) Max out Avenger on the BOND chart immediately. This allows the counter to trigger on auto-dodge and will make Masukukaja insanely powerful.
3) Oracle Recovery, while useful, is a minimal effect with an extremely high cost. Just one point in it is satisfactory until you reach the point where you can level it again in 1 or 2 BOND levels.
4) Ammo Hoarder is bad, don't put points in it.
5) The four Persona Arts BOND skills as well as Proper Showman grant noticable upgrades, and can be a way to get a power boost if you're having problems in a jail.
6) Getting the Divine Grace passive on personas like Sarasvati will double the heal output of the free heal.
7) Get a Physical/Gun persona with high crit and you will melt end game bosses. Pretty much all of these bosses are heavily resistant to ailments, and hitting the weakness with a free persona strike normally does minimal damage. Instead, you should take advantage of the insane crit damage from critical hits and the fact that each critical shaves off a shield to stun lock bosses. Seth is an exemplary persona in this case since his 2-hit combo is Masukukaja and his 3-hit is One-Shot Kill.
8) Mudo and Hama skills work on mini-bosses and are fairly cheap SP wise to spam. If you are ill-equipped to handle a particular boss, then spamming this skill might be cheaper than the heal skills you'd end up using. This strategy becomes the preferred one once you get access to Nebiros, who naturally comes with Mudoon and mudo boost as well as a free Mudoon on her 5-hit combo.
9) Don't spend all your persona points over leveling an early game persona. The amount needed climbs in accordance to the number of levels above the level they are encountered at. Instead, focus on unlocking all of that Persona's unlockable skills and then trading up to a higher tier persona. Not only will you save Persona points, but the stat growth is normally in another league as well.
10) Junk Collection requests are repeatable for absurd amounts of cash, and coupled with Packrat can net you hundreds of thousands of yen each trip into the jail on top of the amount earned by battling.
I actually like oracle's recovery a lot as you can just heal the party and restore your sp by clearing out trash mobs.
disagree when it comes to leveling early game personas as a lot of personas can be fussed by using a high level early game persona. The weird thing about early game personas is that they learn a lot of good skills that later personas don't. Rebel soul, technical adept, and soul thief are all really good early game skills that personas stop learning fairly early. Also for some reason summoning cost is heavily scaled to the personas base stats and increasing their stats and level only makes them slightly more expensive. my lv 32 arsene only cot 2.5k to summon but everything else around lv 30 cost me around 10-15k to summon. my level 15 jack o lantern cost 1.7k to summon but my level 12 slime cost 3.4k to summon. So you end up saving quite a bit of time and money as you don't have to chain summon multiple personas to get early game skills on your mid-late game personas.
junk collection is a nice bonus but farming treasure demons is much faster. a single treasure demon in shibuya jail before any bonuses from extortionist is 30,000 and junk collection part 1 only gives 19,200. with treasure hunter and the security level high treasure demons are actually fairly common.
@@MrGhosta5 Thanks for the reply, it will allow me to go into a bit more depth as to the reasoning behind my tips.
1) Oracle Recovery is good, don't get me wrong that even netting 2 SP per battle is pretty big, but you have to weigh the bond skill cost and what it actually does in terms of upgrading it past the first rank. *You only gain 10 hp and 2 sp per battle for every rank, and the bond cost of Oracle recovery increases by 15/20/25.* This means you are spending 45 points to gain an extra 4 sp per battle. Putting these points into the bottom two rows for economy or maxing out Avenger/Joker's Wild has a much larger impact on your gameplay. In fact, having more money means you will probably buy more SP items and having more ranks in Metaverse Medic means they grant a lot more SP. I would recommend waiting until you get about 14-15 bond points per level for rank 2 and 19-20 points per level for rank 3 in terms of *when you should probably rank up Oracle Recovery.*
2) So, while it is possible to level up a Persona like Andras or Arsene and potentially fuse skills like *Dodge Phys, Rebel Soul, Technical Adept,* etc, it is a lot less grindy to use your persona points to only level a persona up to when they learn their last ability ( _excluding Arsene and some later personas that require lv90 for their last ability_ ). If you are properly developing your economy BOND skills, then yen shouldn't be a problem. Grinding out for these persona points is exponentially easier as you progress through the game if you are properly fusing personas. For example, my lv72 Kali costs 44,289 yen to summon, but will yield 253,798 persona points. Conversely, my lv40 Pixie only costs 1,749 yen to summon but only yields 2,831 persona points. It took significantly more persona points just to get that Pixie to level 40 than it did to get my Kali. Leveling up both of these persona at this point are about equal despite the massive difference in level, stats, growth, and persona point value. *This isn't to say that you shouldn't level up lower level persona eventually since some are needed to fuse end-game personas,* but its much better to actually do so once you reach the point where you can adequately farm for persona points and yen.
Also, as an aside, *fusing skills up into other personas has the benefit of them technically carrying more than the standard 8 skills per registry.* This is because you can save them with inherited skills in the registry, and when you summon them for fusion material, you can adjust any skills they learn naturally through leveling up before actually fusing them. Leveling up a single persona to fuse into much higher personas will very rarely work out, and normally has a much easier fusion that wouldn't require several hundred thousand persona points to accomplish.
3) The real question is *why not both?* You generally need to do fights in order to get a treasure demon to spawn, and both are pitifully cheap bond point wise by the time they unlock. If anything, I would say that Packrat is more of a passive way to increase your income where as Treasure Hunter makes actual farming more efficient. Treasure Hunter is a lot more important in the post-game as you can level quickly by hunting them.
Ammo hoarder is great, Ann gets more bullets and it’s really easy to get a show time.
Im a fan of ammo hoarder. It's not a must have, but yeah having more ammo for joker or particularly haru is pretty nice.
I feel like an idiot now 😭
Big tip:
Use Yusuke. Legit, just use Yusuke.
I noticed that a lot of bosses resist ice and I think that was supposed to balance him somehow, but it evidently did not work. He is the crit king, and crits do damage to boss shields. Further, I think that auto-dodge activated for me way more on him than anyone else; in short, his agility (best stat in the game imo) is really, really good.
Lookin’ cool, Joker!
Just as an added FYI for anyone basically swapping money for persona points, you can resummon and delete from the summon menu. just summon them press options button on playstation (or whatever corresponding button it is for switch/pc) and you can delete them right there and summon again. You can see at 6:34 that theres an option to delete right in the bottom right as hes hovering over forneus who he had just summoned. No need to back out and go into your menu to delete it then go back into the compendium to resummon.
Thanks bro, the QoL changes in this game are insane.
RIP Yusuke, being used as the guinea pig
lol. I came back around and ended up using him quite a bit.
@@BoomstickGaming About that.......
You do know that the game specifically states that you only gain Master Arts while controlling a character?
@@eirmundgundnand9442 in his defense, there are so many mechanics at the beginning of the game, that it doesn't hurt to have a reminder.
I was completely lost during most of my first battles.
Great video and super helpful. Thank you. I've been brute forcing my way through the first jail, but couldn't shake the feeling I was missing major aspects of combat. This helped.
after years of musou games, they finally did something right to the genre
finally did something right pfff you obviously never heard of dynasty warriors and samurai warriors the generation of muso was already good way before p5 strikers became a thing
I am thou... Thou art I...
_Ware wa nanji… nanji wa ware…_
Thou hast aquire a new vowel
I was very nervous that the combat would suck when i first saw this game getting announced. Or that it would be a short half-assed spin-off title not worth your time. But the game turned out to be really good. I think i almost prefer this combat system over the turn-based system of the main-line persona series.
Yeah, I was also at edge about through out the first place, but more I got into it, more I like it now
I might get blasted but I don't think the combat has been this good since the first two games
@@ryn7782 You're allowed your opinion. Hard to believe nowadays, but people can have different opinions without trying to rip each other's heads off. ;D
Your opinion is quite interesting if you consider that initially ATLUS wanted to turn the original P5 into an ARPG but decided against it because they didn't want to throw away all their years of experience making turn based JRPGs. This is, in a way, a little bit of what P5 would have been, not nearly the same of course but it gives a general idea.
Musou spin offs tend to have a lot of effort put in, more than mainline Dynasty Warriors; some examples include OPW4 and DQ Heroes and of course HW, they all have very different mechanics and very little in common outside of the very basics of the combo system from which everything stems.
@@ryn7782 ehh not really, there's nothing necesarilly unique with the first two games' combat, they dont really use that much reliance on smt combat so they just feel like regular rpgs
Another tip: Persona’s that were levelled up via Persona Points, you gain more from them after exchanging them for points (aka deleting them.)
Really good tips! I would really like a tips vid on technicals and guns. Haven't really seen anyone delve into that. Gun ammo restores after every battle so a strong gun combination could be really good.
Or just play Haru lol.
One of her master arts makes it so that holding Triangle doesn't consume ammo.
The best part i love ablut this game is that u can retry the battle instead of starting from checkpoints after dying, unlike p5.
It’s only like that in Merciless but yea it’s sweet when that happens
Hello thanks for this!
another couple of small ones for if you want to move quick:
Dash Slash movement: Alternate between dashing and your basic attack. Attacking lets you dash a lot more often.
Jump Slash movement: a lot harder than Dash Slash for a small extra speed boost. Instead of attacking, jump and then dash VERY QUICKLY. Landing on the ground lets you dash basically immediately afterwards.
These movement options are best used with Joker, with Makoto being a close second (due to their first attack in their combo being fast and having decent reach)
To give you an idea of how little extra speed you get from Jump Slash compared to Dash Slash, the time it takes to get from the Bicorn Fight room to the waterway exit (with Joker) is 10 seconds with Jump Slash and 11 seconds with Dash Slash. But even Dash Slash is a lot faster than just casual dash speed (speed after pressing dash button), which takes at least 15 seconds to move between the same two locations.
Game mechanics are great so far imo. Playing on a ps5 (graphics game mode) looks like doodoo on a 4k/hdr tv. Jagged edges are so bad you would think it’s just 720p scaled to fit. Frame rate seems pretty solid though (without actually measuring it). I suppose some hardcore p5 fans that loved the turn based combat may not like the combat change. I personally do. However, I like the changes of combat in Yakuza like a Dragon too (which went the opposite direction). :)
ye idk why it looks so jagged. Persona 5 royal looked so much better :/
@@miguelmmr4186 It's because the models are not 4K. They are just getting stretched out to fit the 4K resolution. Causing jagged lines. The bigger the screen the worse it will look. On PC you can fix it with Resolution scaling. I hope they make a PS5 version patch for the game that fixes it.
@@MeldinX2 ye but how did they released the game while it looks like this, its so bad compared to royal. Im playing it on pc and with the nvidia control panel i managed to make the look very sharp but i would prefer to play it on my ps5 :/
@@miguelmmr4186 I guess they did not think to upgrade it for next gen systems for 4K. Or maybe they did not care. Who knows.
@@MeldinX2 well it released before the ps5 was even a thing and was being developed earlier still so they definitely didn't consider next gen
Thanks man!
Very informative. I was getting my ass handed to me on Normal cuz I was spamming and draining my SP
People complaining about the mini bosses.....I have a tip for you that always sees me through
USE EVERYBODYS GUN AND 2X FREE SKILL HAHAHHAHAHAHA
I tried 5:30 on killer teddy and it didn't work lol, I currently have level 19 personas. Annoying bear
Were you breaking the entirety of an armor bar or just a segment?
@@BoomstickGaming just segments of his armor, anytime he is about to cast god's hand or any of his other skills I would attack with your 5:30 strategy and he is still able to cast, didn't interrupt his abilities
@@manmoth6849 cause ur persona was not strong enough. It takes forever if your persona Ma stat is too low compared to the shadow.
@@chrisngo7049 yea I realised that later, I already finished the game at 100%. Now playing merciless 💪
A really good video my dude. I am in the Sapporo dungeon rn and I wish I had realized about the effect based skills being usable through combo. That's really cool. Good info
This really helped me with my playthrough! The first tip was great!
I feel like I gotta start this game over now.
As someone who never got to experience P5 or P5R spoiler-free (thank you, internet), can I just say thank you very much for being so deliberate about avoiding spoilers in the video. :)
Hey don't worry, i remember getting P4 spoilered to me waaaaay back in the PS2 era :D
You can dash cancel and move faster if you time your light attack and dash right.
You are welcome.
I realized I havent been using the combos
Thank you!
Remembering forgotten moves thru the persona menu doesn't apply to moves that it can't naturally learn. Meaning if u forget a move inherited thru fusion or learned via skill card, it's gone unless it's saved in the registry with that skill
LOVED this game. I'm a huge fan of the Warriors-style games and this particular game is easily in my top 3.
Everyone watching this since every ps plus player are getting destroyed in the first jail including me XD.
I was wondering why when I casted a skill on stronger shadows they didn't flinch. I didn't realize that the skill interrupt is made by actually breaking a shield. That really helped me out. Also the skill combos on certain personas are really good to know. Amazing video, thanks, man.
junk collection is slow. junk collection part 1 in Shibuya jail gives 19,200 yen for collecting 15 items but killing 1 treasure demon gives 30k yen which can be boosted by extortionist for even more money. with treasure hunter and the jail security level close to max treasure demons spawn fairly regularly.
personas used in fusions count as being dismissed and will give persona points when fussed.
all persona fusions require the material personas be a minimum level. Most personas have many possible material combinations. You won't see a material combination in the list unless you have atleast one of the materials in the compendium. The missing persona will display ???? along side the minimum level needed. also you can open up the fussion page of a partially known fusion and look at the silhouette and stats of the unknown persona to figure out which persona you need.
for example you won't see that you can fuse a lv 14 high pixie and a lv 34 legion to summon arsene until you have legion or high pixie in the compendium. once you register high pixie you'll see 2 new fusions for arsene that use lv 16 high pixie and an unknown persona. the lv 34 persona is legion and the lv 53 persona is bugs. once you register legion another combination for arsene that uses legion and an unknown persona will appear in the list.
you can press square on PlayStation to collapse the summons list just show the summoned persona and then selecting the persona brings up the list of material combinations.
A lot of personas can be summoned using high level early game personas. It's not practical to level early game personas but you may be able to fuse something really nice if a fusion accident gives you a high level persona with good skills. i managed to get curse boost on a lv 50 silky from a fusion accident and then fussed that silky into Nebiros.
Thanks for this. Keep up the great work. I've been a fan since the Dead Cells review.
I want to try that aerial heal combo
big facts you helped me out alot
That was very helpful, thank you!
What do all of Makoto's Master Arts look like?
different mic?
No. Recorded from an abnormal location because of winter Texas storm.
@@BoomstickGaming hope everything is well
Is there any source that lists all persona skills with joker's moveset combo? (EG: with Pixie equipped, normal attackx2 > special attack = Dia)
Sup boom boom
What are some ways to trigger a technical attack and maximize its damage?
same way in persona 5. Inflict burn then use wind attacks to deal more damage. inflict shock and attack with physical attacks. Inflict freeze and attack with physical attacks. Inflict brainwash/confuse and attack with psy attacks etc
@@dylancoles3314 thanks for the response!
dodge tips now ?
Pixie casts Zio in the combo chain when I try it, was this patched? Did you need to set Pixie's skill a certain way?
Came here to ask the same thing
@@Nitrotetrazole Joker actually has 3 skill combos total! His square,square, triangle, triangle does Dia with pixie, his 3X squares then triangles does zio and I don't remember what his master skill one does for pixie. Hope this helps even thought it's been a week :p
@@whakamole5279 it absolutely does, thanks a ton
@@Nitrotetrazole I want to add that Skill Cards do NOT affect the combos. It's only tied to their move list of what they learn as they level up. For example, Jack O Latern's Agi combo, the Agi cannot be replaced with Agidyne because he never learns Agidyne. Usually the high tier skill takes presidence over lower skills ONLY if it's tied to their move list. You can use Skill Cards on Persona that actually learns the skill as they level up if you don't want to use PP on them. You can use the Skill Card Maeigaon on Arsene to replace his Eiha combo to Maeigaon combo since that skill is one of the skills he learns.
I'm here because I though it will be like dynasty warriors where you could rush enemies but this time I got my ass kicked a lot and my party died a lot on the first 2 palaces
ngl i really love the battle mechanic of this game it's hard at first but once you've figure it out it become fun
Top notch tips !
This stuff would've been really useful to know for the first boss. By midgame though, you get a bunch of sp healing, so you just spam the super effective technique until you get all out attack, then use all out attack. Rinse and repeat. Even Reaper was just use Ann to burn them, then Nuclear attacks for technical damage. I think the game might've been better if the only way to use techs were from combos.