This is one of my many favorite videos of yours. I’m glad I refused my cardiologist’s last attempt in September to convince me to take a statin (he even charged extra fees for “the talk”). I didn’t know it could cause a thoracic aortic aneurysm! I already have one and wouldn’t want to make it more quickly worsen (enlarge). My last excuse to the Dr was that I didn’t want the side effect of raising my a1c to T2D levels. He wrote in my After Visit Summary that “it would be highly unlikely.” He can’t guarantee that! This discussion can also be applied to other medications. Thank you 😊
Well, I didn't say statins cause TAAs; what I quoted was a report said was that getting off statins raised the probability of having a TAA. There is some limited research that shows statins statistically help prevent TAA (though not by much - no different or perhaps less so than other statistical benefits.) And even if it is "highly unlikely" that your hba1c raises above T2D levels, that is a falsely interpreted statistic. The real question is "Will my Insulin Resistance increase?" and the the answer is that is it's much more likely. Any increase in IR is bad for you. Whether it happens to push you over the edge depends on where you started.
@@mystatinfreelife I’m sorry, yes a higher probability of a TAA and I should have worded it in a different way. As for my concern about the T2D, my a1c was 6.1 up from 5.7 at the time of that last appointment. I’ve since gotten it down to 5.6 following a no sugar, very low carb program due to my own searching, because not one dr has ever mentioned IR or any metabolic issues despite it now being obvious to me, a non-medically trained person. Your videos provide helpful information and I thank you.
I did not have withdraw symptoms either, after five years of statin use. To be fair, two weeks later I started carnivore. I did have side effects from the drug such as muscle weakness and elevated A1c.
So many great points in this video, including how even AI responses can be internally inconsistent, as well as the distinction between "misinformation" vs "incorrect information". Will AI really be a help to the medical profession? (Sometimes I cringe thinking about this...)
I often will get on chatGPT for ideas, but always have to verify them. For this video, as an example, Mr. Chat told me there were no studies on the impact of statins on Thoracic Aortic Aneurysms, and I had recorded some points about that. Then I realized I forgot to verify, found the statement to be incorrect (there are such studies) and had to edit out that portion. So I fear as people get comfortable with AI, they will fail to verify things. I have also found with ChatGPT that I can challenge what it tells me and I can convince it of many things, which just increases my own danger of being overcome by confirmation bias, "because the AI agrees with me." I think the medical profession may even use preconceived notions to "verify" whether the AI is correct - i.e. if AI came out and said "statins aren't for everyone", doctors would be quick to dismiss it, and if it came out and said "at least 8 billion people worldwide should be on statins" they'd be all over it.
I was on statins for about 1 year and 3 months. When I stopped, I had strange red, swelling in parts of my body. I'm better now. I have been really careful of my diet and exercising. My muscle pain completely stopped.
Nice video Trying to get mine down with diet and lifestyle . My GP had the medical assistant call me to tell me he was putting me on a prescription . When I asked if I could avoid it with lifestyle she got angry with me and offered no advice . My GP has never spoken to me yet . I have 4 autoimmune diseases all in remission. At the onset the Drs put me on prescriptions but gave me literature on how to get off them . I currently had no prescriptions. A lot has changed in 16 years .
Doesn't AI basically search all the internet research papers etc etc etc and regurgitate them. Supposedly going to add some of its own but still it's dependent upon what's on the internet so of course it would be consistent?
@AngieLyke well in the case I encountered, it listed known adverse effects of statins as consequences of getting off them (as opposed to withdrawal symptoms) alongside an actual withdrawal symptom, all in a paragraph that had said there are no withdrawal symptoms. Overall, there was no way to reconcile the info with any consistent underlying idea.
I am so thankful I was only on them for 4 months. But it still took 3 months before I was exercizing at my previous rate. Took 3 months before I didn't feel like I had a sprained ankle all the time. It was 6 months before my liver enzymes went down the previous level. We tested every 3 month. At the time I didn't know about the blood sugar for fixed so I didn't pay attention before and after. Maybe the withdrawal side effects and how long do they last, depend upon how long you've been on them and how high the dose? The withdrawal sound like the same side effects you get when you're on them after time
@AngieLyke For me, it was an intensification of the adverse effects I was having while I was on them, which is what Dr. Golomb predicts. In most cases, it was about a half week up to a couple of weeks, possibly depending on which statin I was on. I foolishly allowed myself to be experimented on, in a manner of speaking. Now I refuse to be sheeple ever again.
My take on your experiences..... you're putting yourself through a lot of body stress during those hikes (maybe more so if you have removed the statins ... but perhaps not) . Thus you will need more cholesterol to operate all the metabolic work the body is dealing with. If your body is struggling with cholesterol production due to a period of time suppressing.... then adverse effects can be experienced. My Dad is still on them and is struggling with depression, fear of particular situations like driving. He is severely suppressed from a social perspective and he is disappearing physically. This could be old age at 82 ... but the pharma rely on that notion to continue the decline.... is my opinion.
@stevel9914 I've off for 6 years now, and have hiked for as much as 6 weeks on a single trip. After coming back (and not being on statins) my cholesterol has been way down, like total at 60% of what's natural for me. Interestingly, the drop is almost always in LDL and VLDL, with HDL staying constant. I wonder what physiological conclusions I could draw from that. And I often wonder if the adverse effects I experienced were from statins doing what they are not intended to do, or if from too low cholesterol for my needs. Probably a bit of both.
Always very interesting info, thanks Russ. This UK cardiologist is definitely worth a listen. He talks about medical overprescribing by our "beloved" NHS system, here in England. ua-cam.com/video/gu8dcxCVSEE/v-deo.html
@Sarahbee-o8t certainly, it's quite possible to have no withdrawal symptoms, just as many people get no adverse effects at all. I think withdrawal symptoms may be rarer or less noticeable, which may be another reason why it is less well-known.
I believe it is dose dependent. On higher doze it is more pronounced. I recall my friend complained about it when he tried to adjust the dose of crestor. Every time he doubled it to keep his cholesterol lower a month or so before the annual med.exam, he's got the bad rebounce after rerouting to the 10mg.
This is one of my many favorite videos of yours. I’m glad I refused my cardiologist’s last attempt in September to convince me to take a statin (he even charged extra fees for “the talk”). I didn’t know it could cause a thoracic aortic aneurysm! I already have one and wouldn’t want to make it more quickly worsen (enlarge). My last excuse to the Dr was that I didn’t want the side effect of raising my a1c to T2D levels. He wrote in my After Visit Summary that “it would be highly unlikely.” He can’t guarantee that! This discussion can also be applied to other medications. Thank you 😊
Well, I didn't say statins cause TAAs; what I quoted was a report said was that getting off statins raised the probability of having a TAA. There is some limited research that shows statins statistically help prevent TAA (though not by much - no different or perhaps less so than other statistical benefits.) And even if it is "highly unlikely" that your hba1c raises above T2D levels, that is a falsely interpreted statistic. The real question is "Will my Insulin Resistance increase?" and the the answer is that is it's much more likely. Any increase in IR is bad for you. Whether it happens to push you over the edge depends on where you started.
@@mystatinfreelife I’m sorry, yes a higher probability of a TAA and I should have worded it in a different way. As for my concern about the T2D, my a1c was 6.1 up from 5.7 at the time of that last appointment. I’ve since gotten it down to 5.6 following a no sugar, very low carb program due to my own searching, because not one dr has ever mentioned IR or any metabolic issues despite it now being obvious to me, a non-medically trained person. Your videos provide helpful information and I thank you.
Thanks. You excel at asking best appropriate questions.
Thanks, Russ for the video. It is amazing how your body adapts to drug addiction.
I didn't have any withdrawl symptoms when I stopped taking statins 2+ years ago!
@@cwebr789 that's excellent. Just as not everyone has adverse effects, I'm sure not everyone has withdrawal symptoms.
I did not have withdraw symptoms either, after five years of statin use. To be fair, two weeks later I started carnivore. I did have side effects from the drug such as muscle weakness and elevated A1c.
So many great points in this video, including how even AI responses can be internally inconsistent, as well as the distinction between "misinformation" vs "incorrect information". Will AI really be a help to the medical profession? (Sometimes I cringe thinking about this...)
I often will get on chatGPT for ideas, but always have to verify them. For this video, as an example, Mr. Chat told me there were no studies on the impact of statins on Thoracic Aortic Aneurysms, and I had recorded some points about that. Then I realized I forgot to verify, found the statement to be incorrect (there are such studies) and had to edit out that portion. So I fear as people get comfortable with AI, they will fail to verify things. I have also found with ChatGPT that I can challenge what it tells me and I can convince it of many things, which just increases my own danger of being overcome by confirmation bias, "because the AI agrees with me." I think the medical profession may even use preconceived notions to "verify" whether the AI is correct - i.e. if AI came out and said "statins aren't for everyone", doctors would be quick to dismiss it, and if it came out and said "at least 8 billion people worldwide should be on statins" they'd be all over it.
I was on statins for about 1 year and 3 months. When I stopped, I had strange red, swelling in parts of my body. I'm better now. I have been really careful of my diet and exercising. My muscle pain completely stopped.
Nice video
Trying to get mine down with diet and lifestyle .
My GP had the medical assistant call me to tell me he was putting me on a prescription .
When I asked if I could avoid it with lifestyle she got angry with me and offered no advice .
My GP has never spoken to me yet .
I have 4 autoimmune diseases all in remission. At the onset the Drs put me on prescriptions but gave me literature on how to get off them . I currently had no prescriptions.
A lot has changed in 16 years .
@Marbleheadjed wow, seems like the GP's office is giving commands rather than health advice.
@ thanks
I was feeling like maybe I was overreacting
Insulin resistance is the problem.
Doesn't AI basically search all the internet research papers etc etc etc and regurgitate them. Supposedly going to add some of its own but still it's dependent upon what's on the internet so of course it would be consistent?
@AngieLyke well in the case I encountered, it listed known adverse effects of statins as consequences of getting off them (as opposed to withdrawal symptoms) alongside an actual withdrawal symptom, all in a paragraph that had said there are no withdrawal symptoms. Overall, there was no way to reconcile the info with any consistent underlying idea.
I am so thankful I was only on them for 4 months. But it still took 3 months before I was exercizing at my previous rate. Took 3 months before I didn't feel like I had a sprained ankle all the time. It was 6 months before my liver enzymes went down the previous level. We tested every 3 month. At the time I didn't know about the blood sugar for fixed so I didn't pay attention before and after. Maybe the withdrawal side effects and how long do they last, depend upon how long you've been on them and how high the dose? The withdrawal sound like the same side effects you get when you're on them after time
@AngieLyke For me, it was an intensification of the adverse effects I was having while I was on them, which is what Dr. Golomb predicts. In most cases, it was about a half week up to a couple of weeks, possibly depending on which statin I was on. I foolishly allowed myself to be experimented on, in a manner of speaking. Now I refuse to be sheeple ever again.
My take on your experiences..... you're putting yourself through a lot of body stress during those hikes (maybe more so if you have removed the statins ... but perhaps not) . Thus you will need more cholesterol to operate all the metabolic work the body is dealing with. If your body is struggling with cholesterol production due to a period of time suppressing.... then adverse effects can be experienced. My Dad is still on them and is struggling with depression, fear of particular situations like driving. He is severely suppressed from a social perspective and he is disappearing physically. This could be old age at 82 ... but the pharma rely on that notion to continue the decline.... is my opinion.
@stevel9914 I've off for 6 years now, and have hiked for as much as 6 weeks on a single trip. After coming back (and not being on statins) my cholesterol has been way down, like total at 60% of what's natural for me. Interestingly, the drop is almost always in LDL and VLDL, with HDL staying constant. I wonder what physiological conclusions I could draw from that.
And I often wonder if the adverse effects I experienced were from statins doing what they are not intended to do, or if from too low cholesterol for my needs. Probably a bit of both.
Always very interesting info, thanks Russ. This UK cardiologist is definitely worth a listen. He talks about medical overprescribing by our "beloved" NHS system, here in England.
ua-cam.com/video/gu8dcxCVSEE/v-deo.html
I have pretty much taken every statin on the market and I’ve never had withdrawal symptoms?
@Sarahbee-o8t certainly, it's quite possible to have no withdrawal symptoms, just as many people get no adverse effects at all. I think withdrawal symptoms may be rarer or less noticeable, which may be another reason why it is less well-known.
I believe it is dose dependent. On higher doze it is more pronounced. I recall my friend complained about it when he tried to adjust the dose of crestor. Every time he doubled it to keep his cholesterol lower a month or so before the annual med.exam, he's got the bad rebounce after rerouting to the 10mg.