I'm with you brother. I have no idea why Hasan is so popular. Here in central Europe we have drunk homeless dudes spouting exactly the same delusional bullshit he does, maybe they should start a twitch channel
As a leftist from Eastern Europe, I want to thank you. I've seen so many western leftists adopt a Russian apologist stance out of a mixture of Soviet fetishization and "America bad, therefore Russia good" that it felt like a slap on the face. It made me realize that so many of them see the words "American imperialism" and get mad at the first part, not the second. So thank you, for being a voice of reason.
It's an inverted American exceptionalism. Instead of believing that America is responsible for all of the world's greatest things, they believe America is responsible for all of the world's problems. They can't fathom that the rest of the world has lives outside of whatever America is doing
@@Gloomdrake It's not inverted, it's the exact same idea: America is the only "player" on the world stage, every other country is an NPC that simply acts according to simple AI. Thus if the world is unbalanced, it's America's fault.
what you're saying is what most liberals accuse leftists of when they have a russian apologist stance that is due to being anti war. Also kinda strange you don't seem aware of the anti-war stance...
@@ivandankob7112 and xD? teenagers especially in this time should have critical thinking too... + it was never so easy as nowadays to look up claims and history... Oh russia killed millions of polish and ukraines - you can literally look this up in seconds with backed proof - Being a teenager is not an excuse for being stupid
I watch him a little bit, and I don't 😂 hopefully no one does. His takes are so batshit insane and over the top, I tell myself that it has to be for entertainment, but my problem with him is that he frames himself as someone to who politically is to be taken seriously...
Only Americans have agency. The rest of us are too stupid to notice we're just pawns in their games, and too weak to do anything about it even if we knew.
If your foreign policy is just “America Bad” and your main source is Chomsky, then you don’t get to call other people America-centric, and I say this as an American Leftist
Nothing in the world can happen unless either America is behind it (if it's bad), or America is trying to stop it (if it's good). This is effective because with this belief there is no need to grapple with the actual events happening.
americans are incredibly insular, for the most part. some stateside leftists manage to develop some perspective on the world outside US borders, but many unfortunately don’t.
@@mj.l I'd like to think that I've worked to developing some sense of that, but I haven't really thought of myself as American in a long time. I'm really just stuck here: I feel no real loyalty to it, and have more of the feelings one would associate with patriotism towards my home state, the LGBT community, and the Esperantujo. I care about the general state of America because this is where I and all of my family and loved ones live and this is where I have to spend my foreseeable future, but not because I think it's either the best or worst thing to have ever happened to the world.
Why would anyone would take Jordan Peterson seriously on this subject?... at all... he is a psychologist/psychiatrist... His knowledge of history and understanding of military matters is microscopic.
His fans take everything he says as some ultimate authority. It's infuriating how he gets carte blanche by some people while displaying some truly terrible ignorance of history.
To be fair, he wrote a book (Maps of Meaning), which investigates some of the reasons people do evil things. For this he used (I think) lots of examples from history. So he is atleast knowledgeable on the subject. Disclaimer: I didn't read this book, so I could be entirely wrong. However, I got the sense, from listening to interviews and podcasts, that my statement isn't that far from the truth.
Darling, you got it all wrong. It's not up to them to honor the Holodomor. It's up to us- the survivors! Nobody is gonna " gift " anything to us- I would think that 9 years is enough to figure that out. But here is the question- how come neither our Vicky Spartz or the Ukrainian American community is doing bubkes to make sure we have a HOLODOMOR REMEMBERANCE DAY? What the fuck is the point in us- the third and fourth generation survivors- knowing how to spell it???
@@viktorias63 I really used to enjoy Jordan Peterson, and I still think he has plenty of interesting things to say. However, it really seems that this whole 'leftist are evil incarnate' spiel got the better of him. This combined with his ever-increasing dramatic intensity, has made me to decide to steer clear of him. Which is unfortunate because I still think I could learn plenty of him.
If Hitler said that beer is good, it does not mean, that you should drink a camel pee now. Nothing to be ashamed of. He is still more conscious than Waters, Hasan, and a lot of Western politicians and academia. I am from Ukraine.
@@Ludovicus1769 he literally does though and notice how his words often don't even mean anything or they can be applied to anything he just likes to hear himself talk and some people think he is intelligent when in reality he is kinda nuts and unknowledgeable even in the realm of what he was supposed to be good at.
@@jacksmith-vs4ct No, I don’t hear that. When he talks, I hear what he has to say. I may not always agree with it, but I can always understand him. Just because he has a lot to say, doesn’t mean that he’s “selfish”.
@@Ludovicus1769 West good, left bad something something cultural marxism Hitler authoritarian post-modernist judeo-christian something something. Lots to say.
@@Ludovicus1769 He dos only value what he believes, no matter reason or actual evidence, plnty , opposing that, and e do not engage, but just continues. If he wer eless selfish, h would be so honest to just do bizarre fiction, not pretent he is important and know everything. Seriously, i wait for hi weird fiction that is sold as fiction.
As a Ukranian, the Hullomador bit was always really funny to me, because yeah, just like you said, it's really funny to claim to "know a lot about Ukraine" and not get the name of the famine right
OMG. Hi from Zhytomyr lol! Hullomador sounds like something straight out of Lord of the Rings to me XD Omg, what an arrogant douche. Can't believe I actually watched him couple years ago
Then I remember that my grandpa had to collect reeds and acorns to make bitter, almost inedible pancakes, and my grandma ate horse vomit, and it immediately stops being funny. But yeah, it's pretty funny for a few seconds.
@@yaroslavromanyuk5669 ми тут іржемо чисто з його тупості і самовпевненості (базованій на НІЧОМУ), а не з самої трагедії. Я коли про це подумаю, що людям довелося пережити, то завжди сльози в очах. Але тут залишається тільки гірко посміятися з подібної мразоти, яка претендує на якусь "експертність" і не може запам'ятати щось настільки важливе і елементарне
Ukrainian here, sad part to realise is that for all these people this war is just the reality show where they base their opinion on personal preferences and not necessarily the truth and facts. Really frustrating when people are dying literally every day and certain individuals with some level of influence are spreading misinformation (no matter if they want the war to end or continue) that's gonna have a negative impact and all of this nightmare is only gonna continue because of it. Only positive side is that most people are actually in favour of justice and I'm thankful for that.
the truth is even for people like you it is a reality tv show too,lol. but for you it's more a war drama. you're so obsessed with your truth and facts it helps you ignore the reality of the extent of the suffering. yu only have to nod to it's existance. you don't have actually weigh it.
@Antonio Gramsci but your argument was literally a whataboutism. And I know it may sound crazy to you but you know that you can live without supporting the rape and killing of certain group of people based on their ethnicity and just be a normal good human being? A shocker I know
I literally made a meme about the holodomor for a lefty sub 18 days ago. What the f*** does he mean "nobody talks about it"? (Just to be clear, the meme was me calling Stalin a fascist because the holodomor was the third largest genocide in human history, so #1 is holocaust, number #2 was barbarossa and #3 was "the great USSR peoples genocide" which feels kind of odd if you think about it for like 2 seconds)
@@user-semenar it’s true, the entire world collectively forgot about it until Peterson saw in a vision it happening and revealed this hidden knowledge upon us.
As someone who grew up on lots of punk and hip, learning alsorts of leftist politics, i am still extremely disappointed by many western leftists. The overal theme seems to be "america bad", with no accounting for infinitely complex geopolitical relationships and world history. Im still a leftist, but this has really encouraged me to get outside of those echo chambers. Slava Ukrani!
Yeah, those guys are basically just entertainers and it doesn't mean that leftism doesn't have validity now. Denmark is still one of the best places to live in in the world and that won't change just because of a dumb Hasan take.
I've been a committed leftist for around 15 years, since I was a young teenager. I still am and probably always will be, but I am shocked to see how many fellow leftists will condemn US actions like the coups in Latin America and terrorism against Cuba, but will also be able to completely disregard doing the same violent, imperialist shit in Ukraine. Two governments can be shit at the same time, who would have guessed?! (I might add that most leftists in my country are not so silly as to subscribe to the pro-Russian view though, probably due to proximity to eastern Europe and due to the number of refugees who are able to testify to the horrors of the invasion.)
@@lisaw150 I honestly don't think it's a lot of leftist, maybe in Germany, but not elsewhere. The leftist I do see take pro-Russian stances is mostly among the old, you know, people who's still stuck back in the 70's - and haven't yet figured out that Russia isn't the continuum of the USSR they spend years idealising. Heck, the USSR wasn't even anywhere near the utopia they thought it was. The groups I see take pro-Kremlin position is mostly on the far-right, and in conspiracy assumption circles, (a segment of people who have some overlap with both the far-left and the far-right, but usually mostly the latter, and depending on which side they fall to they are usually very Christian or very "Spiritual"). I also see a small group of refugees being drawn towards the Kremlin narrative, but mostly out of distrust for the US. Especially in my country, (one of the Scandinavian ones), most of the left, see this war as a war against war! It's seen as a necessity that Russian imperialist aggression isn't rewarded!
@@gorillaguerillaDK then it would seem things in Scandinavia are similar to Germany (which is where I live haha). Here only some older "leftists" who have drifted right or are die-hard stalinists take the pro-Russian position. Younger ones - clearly in favour of Ukranian territorial integrity and self-determination. However, I have strong family and friendship ties to the "Angloshpere" and leftists from that part of the world that I otherwise have great affection and respect for REALLY disappoint me when it comes to the war in Ukraine. There's one American friend, an academic with international experience and all, who I avoided for months because his views were just unbearable... sadly he's not alone
I think for some leftists I know, their stance on Ukraine comes from a sort of cultural/political narcissism that exists here in the US. To the people actually living in Ukraine, many of their positions sound like “Ukrainians, please give up chunks of your territory and population so that we can feel comfortable and satisfied with ourselves again, knowing we are staying pure by opposing lethal aid to Ukraine.” It’s this attitude of thinking they know what’s best for Ukrainians and if only they could see the error of their ways, they would pursue peace at any cost. And what gets me is, at least among the good faith leftists like Hasan, they don’t even realize their attitude is essentially a western chauvinist mindset, just coming from the left in their case.
If it happened to them and their towns and their families, they would demand that Russia be nuked. Look at what happened after 9/11, when 3,000 innocent people died, and how the US reacted.
I think for some liberals I know, their stance on Ukraine comes from a sort of cultural/political narcissism that exists here in the US. To the people actually living in Ukraine, many of their positions sound like "Ukrainians, I know we couldn't find your country on a map a few months ago, but we are all Ukrainian nationalists now, trust us! You will now all fight in this endless war with our training and weapons to the last Ukrainian! You must fight all the Russians by yourself, it's important for the future of the free world and democracy! But we won't send any of our own troops though, good luck!" It's this attitude of thinking everyone in Ukraine loves America and hates Russia and wants to pursue war at any cost.
@@danielshepard2315 Don’t pretend to care about Ukrainians. You want to make the nuclear war/ww3 argument, then fine, I can at least understand the argument. Either way, the disingenuous and lazy sarcasm doesn’t help your case my friend.
I love how this criticism of Americentric thinking is only ever levied at anti war western leftists, never at western politicians who are pro war. Fascinating.
@@samsca8529 Do you KNOW the people who are now criticising the Americentrism of parts of the western left? Do you know what they'ven been up to in the past? Some of the people you are talking to here have DECADES of experience in the anti-imperialist left and have been criticising American politicians and their actions all that time. Just because you weren't paying attention doesn't mean it wasn't happening.
It just goes to show that people are happy to have absolutely terrible takes because they just can’t fathom that they might end up on the same side of the debate are somebody they usually disagree with and really have built an identity around hating. I don’t like American colonialism, I am very suspicious of American foreign policy, but that doesn’t mean that by default anything the Americans say is automatically a lie, and whoever they are saying it’s about is automatically good. That’s literally still confirmation bias. It’s just as dumb to believe everything you are told as it is to disbelieve everything you are told. Critical thinking, requires a case by case basis, Not deciding your allegiances, just because of whose mouth it is coming out of. I would argue. It’s perfectly reasonable to think that the Americans are working in bad faith, as well as the Russians, and yet still believe that Ukraine deserves help to defend itself. All of these points aren’t mutually exclusive.
You’re right, but a lot of the accusations being thrown by Vatniks are just ridiculous because they show they have absolutely no understanding of how organisations such as NATO works and calling everything remotely related to American interests American Imperialism while at the same time refusing to acknowledge that some of the worst offenders of American Imperialist ideology is supporting Russia and what Russia is doing is the most clear cut example of old-school empire building through military conquest attempt we've seen in a very long time! Also, USA isn’t trying to make Ukraine a vassal state of the US, Russia on the other hand is! Ukraine isn5 trying to become part of the US, it’s trying to become accepted into the European community! Only people who doesn’t have a clue thinks the US controls NATO and the EU! Sometimes even countries with a shitty past, (like most of us, but of course also the US), can see the benefit of acting responsible - and Vatniks are trying to tell us that it doesn’t make a difference! However, I’m sure that if I’ve made a living of robbing banks, then it doesn’t mean I shouldn’t spend any money on charity or that those who get it, doesn’t deserve it!
American interests are served by Ukraine independence. Nations don't have morals. The US (er...our) interests just happen to correspond with freedom and democracy THIS TIME. ...A refreshing change. Russia has put its' foot in a bear trap. The more of their resources they destroy, the less of a player on the world stage they are.
No one cares what you like or don't like, what actions are you actually advocating for? You can say "American colonialism/militarism is bad" all day, doesn't matter if you don't actually do anything about it. This isn't a new concept. America is doing the same thing they did throughout the entire cold war, expanding NATO and arming/training whatever group is convenient for them to weaken Russia's geopolitical interests. In this case, they turned Ukraine into a militarized American sattelite state since 2014 by overthrowing the pro Russian government and cutting off Russia's land access to Crimea and the black sea. American's are using west Ukrainians to further their own geopolitical interests, just like Russia is using East Ukrainians to further their own interests. This is nothing more than a war between the US and Russia with Ukrainian bodies. And it could of been easily avoided by simply keeping Ukraine neutral and not trying to weaken Russia with NATO/military expansion.
@@grmpEqweer Correct, they are sadly just victims of a conflict between 2 larger states using them as puppets and proxies. That's the reality of the situation bud, sorry if it's not as happy as "brave Ukrainian avengers fighting against Thanos for freedom!"
@@artkl494 "When this story ends" Sweet naive summerchild. Politics will never be peaceful and colonialism will always be a problem. Doesn't matter if it's Israel, Iran, Russia, USA, China et cetera.
because they're not really support Palestine, they do it because they hate Jews or USA Same with Ukraine, most of the people did not even know where we are located, but they heard that something-something, Ukraine is USA paw, that's why they are against Ukraine now
@@InspiriumESOO Not what they meant. “When this story ends” refers to Russo-Ukranian War, as in when it ends anyone who supported Putin will forget it ever existed because they don’t actually care about either side.
@@GhostInTheMachine165 Headlines From the Future: Jordan Peterson Crashes Cadillac El Dorado into Kindergarten After Doing 90 MPH Through a School Zone, Blames Transgender People. Toxicology reports found trace amounts of blood in his narcotics stream.
"Civil war" is also a Russian propaganda taking point. 1. It started when foreign troops ceased government buildings in Sloviansk. 2. The leadership and command of these so called separatists are Russians citizens including literally Russian intelligence officers (Girkin himself for one). 3. The whole brigades of Russian marines "getting lost" in Ukraine as Putin himself put it (are we children or have an IQ south of 70). 4. Minsk agreement is signed between Ukraine and Russia with OSCE as a mediator calling to withdraw foreign troops from Ukraine among other things. One gotta be very special or quite dishonest to call that a civil war.
I remember with Jackson hinkle, A video of him saying, "Russia is not going to invade Ukraine" Then later him saying "I never said Russia would not invade Ukraine" followed by "Anyone who claims I said that Is a liar"
@@adrielsebastian5216 i don’t try to look at him on twitter he’s like the geopolitics version of jordan peterson or andrew tate wrong about everything and cheering on the worst team. (side note i was gonna say trump but t dawgs foreign policy ideas seem to be if u give me 1 vote please vote for me 1 vote i’ll end every war on earth if u give me 1 vote i’ll cut ur taxes ill suck ur a dick and i’ll end every war for oooonnnneeee vote)
Since the beginning of this war I've lost respect for SO MANY leftists, either personal acquaintances or public personalities. Your channel is literally a breath of fresh air. Thank you for your hard work!
@@PropheticShadeZ I'm talking more in general about public figures. Like this one famous left wing cartoonist in my country, who got all "it's better to surrender than to fight" (probably an even more repulsive and cowardly take than outright "the Russians are right").
I recommend Vaush, who, like LB, stood for Ukraine and raised money for Ukrainian refugees around this time last year. Edgy, but good advocate for his ideas.
@Antonio Gramsci You are exactly what he's talking about. You tankies are the literal embodiment of the horseshoe theory. If your talking points are identical with far right talking heads like Tucker Carlson and Jordy Peterson, how can you expect anyone with a functioning braincell to take you seriously?
@@Western.war_edits his support for US hegemony is basically just saying, well it's better than the alternative. And considering the alternative is China and/or Russia, he ain't wrong
I am from Ukraine, watched war start in 2014 in Donbass, then watched it to continue in Kyiv. Minsk agreements WERE held by Ukraine. All of the points which were possible to implement WERE implemented. Decentralization was one of the biggest points which gave great results on our economy. On ethnic russian genocide by Ukraine. In 2014 I was a university teacher in Donetsk. I was reading my lectures, filled my documents and spoke to students in russian language. Then russian troops came and turned out that I was heavily oppressed.
You were a sucker. 😂 The use of Russian in universities was banned. The fact that you flaunted the rules does speak more about the situation in Ukraine overall and not the official policy. You probably also got grants from the West and all your peers benefited from being suckers for Kiev and Soros. Now, the people that rose up against Kiev did not extract any benefits from being in Ukraine.
As a rightwinger (I found this video from pro-ukraine discord) I lost respect for so many right wingers because of their completely stupid bootlicking of Ruzzia.
The sheer amount of approving and rejoicing comments of ordinary Russians under videos of the atrocities committed against civilians in Ukraine were no less a shock for Ukrainians than the war itself. We have somehow got used to the war, but the realization of who we have been living next to all this time, without even knowing it, is still terrifying. Those creatures call themselves our brothers. Imagine what they would do to you who they call their enemies if you let them.
It's honestly disheartening to read many of these comments, where the issue is approached with the assumption Ukraine is just a geopolitical pawn and not a sovereign nation. What right does any other nation, specifically Russia, have in dictating what choices Ukrainians makes?
@@xanathem7 no mental gymnastics here. Ur just unwilling to see facts. The west is using this as an experiment on Russian weapons, a way to to try weaken Russia. Ukr isn't worth defending. Its currupt af and nor a very nice country. Yet they're dumbing billions into it? Doesn't make sense
Roger Waters appears to have never got over the death of his father in WWII. Eric Waters was a former pacifist who changed his views (possibly as a result of fatherhood) joined the army, became an officer and was killed at Anzio in February 1944 when his son was only 6 months old. Roger's take on war such as in "Us and Them" [Dark Side of the Moon] and "When the Tigers Broke Free" [The Final Cut] depicts commanders coldly indifferent to the suffering of their troops. What he didn't and doesn't seem to understand is that wars against a pitiless aggressor have to be fought and that who lives and who dies is unfair and often arbitrary. Fortunately people like his own father thought differently, served and sacrificed themselves and Nazism was defeated 15 months later. Roger's inner child still angry, even though the people he is angry with are all gone now.
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 "ussr defeated nazis" is an underwhelming analysis and is a russian talking point. They almost _were the nazis._ Remember that time Stalin asked to join the Axis? Or that time when they were dividing Poland between themselves? That's to say, they weren't too different. Eastern Europe remembers that fact, which is why we hate russia so much.
One can legitimately ask "what do you mean by Ukraine?" Do you mean Western Ukraine, distinct from Eastern Ukraine? Do you mean Ukraine minus Crimea (i.e. more historical Ukraine), or plus Crimea (post-Soviet Ukraine). Do you mean the parts of Ukraine that were originally Polish, or vice-versa? It goes on.
@@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840 you can legitimly ask that about any word, his problem Is that he hates post modernisme tho, while bing terrible at it
@@DeadEndFrog you didn't understand my comment, did you? I'm not arguing that shit from a "post-" anything perspective. I'm arguing that from a "this is reality" perspective. Ukraine is a "country divided", always has been, always will be. "Real Ukrainians" (as they like to call themselves) live in the West. Russo-Ukrainians (whom everyone now hates, and whose generations can be traced as far back there as any Western Ukrainian in the West) live in the East.
@@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840 i understood it perfectly well, im from the Balkans, so we are experts at this sort of thing. :^) humans love to categorize and then throw a tantrum when others interprate it diffrently, thats a tip from me to you
I just don't understand why people like Jordan Peterson. He has a degree in psychology. Somehow that makes him knower of everything? He speaks in dribble. I knew America was actually telling the truth about what was going on when they predicted what Russia was doing and it turned out to be true. This may be one of the only times America was balls to the wall open.
It isn't that he's especially smart, he just says things that other stupid people want to believe and he has an air of academic when he talks. There are lots of people like this in various "fields".
Even as a psychologist, JP absolutely sucks, not to mention his ventures outsides his fields of knowledge. Public clout he garnered since his debut in social media only feeds his already inflated ego, hence now he's literally all-knowing being that transcended humanity 😂
@Antonio Gramsci They actually were holding security meetings, where they _were_ presenting evidence. Of course, they aren't going to share their sources with the public, are you dumb or something...?
The thing that annoys me as someone from behind the iron curtain and having lived through USSR days is the main character syndrome westeners have about this. People seem to be expert on our matters and talk over our heads with their so called knowledge and not with us. In the same way colonialists think, hush little poor countries, we know what is best for you and turn around and be are the main focal point somehow in this. We have a certain kind attitude soup of melancholia, paranoia, perseverance perhaps sometimes flippant about life etc and that is different from the west so it just feels so laughable and patronizing at the same time. Especially all of those all of the sudden geopolitical experts that are contrarians cause they think it makes them sound smarter
Well, some of us in the "old western block" has worked closely with former Eastern block people up through the 90's and 00's! Sure, we might sometimes have takes that includes what WE want to see happen in the future, but it’s not necessarily because we think we are better or know more than you - it has more to do with how we hope the world in general will become, and our high hopes for our close neighbours and former adversaries! So it makes us sad when countries like Hungary violates our trust and turn away from the path we've set out on together when we accepted the country into our community! I get that it might sound berating, and I understand that some people insist we should listen more and that there can be "cultural sensitive issues" but hopefully you also under that there are issues where certain takes are just unacceptable….
@@Izanagi057 well if you tired of us whining, then stop talking like you know shit. And if you dont care, then just ignore us, I mean you would if you REALLY didnt care but your angry tone tells otherwise)))) also I dont care if you gudge me or other eastern europeans, but if you are not an expert on the subject, I am going to point it out, its just critics, and people in the video ARE wrong, so your comment is just weird and vile
The thing that annoys me is this delusional idea that Ukraine is still a sovereign country when it's completely propped up by billions of dollars of US spending funding their infrastructure, military and even paying their pensions. This is a conflict between the US and Russia with Ukrainian bodies, and you can't admit that because you want to feel like the underdog Ukrainian nationalist fighting against the larger aggressor, because that's a better propaganda narrative than what's actually happening. The sooner you realize that this war is not about Ukraine fighting for it's freedom, it's about the US and Russia fighting over who gets to have Ukraine as their puppet state, the sooner we can have actual real solutions to the problem.
@@danielshepard2315 Do you know what would leave Ukraine able to fund their own pensions etc? If there wasn't a imperialist neighbouring country waging a war against them - F'ing vatnik!
Hearing Jorden P Beaterston talk, always leaves me in stunned disbelief. No one will ever compare to his ability to take an infinite amount of time, to say absolutely nothing.
Hello from Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. Thank you for your work in combating Mordor propaganda! And I am also grateful for the Ukrainian folk song "Oh, there is a red viburnum in the meadow" at the end of the video. This song gives me goosebumps.
Also, now it’s very important to talk about our friends from Georgia 🇬🇪 not only about the war in my homeland Thank you a lot for the informational support ❤️❤️
I lost some respect for Peterson on this issue. It's obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about but feels the need to pander to a large part of his following. It's the opposite of why he became famous in the first place. He preaches about "not giving an inch because the tyrant this and that", now a situation presents itself in the REAL world and he turns out to be another paper tiger...
No, Holomodur was the guy who made a 2 hour long video about the origin of the Roblox OOF soundbite, commonly associated with the hit children's game Roblox.
ww2 era was filled with people like this. Pro Hitler Americans were not rare, and antisemitism was everywhere.... Basically things were way worse then in a lot of ways.
hey do you think, do you think there might have been some changes, some significant geopolitical shifts that occurred, after World War II, that might have significantly altered the balance of power globally? like maybe a certain hegemonic superpower came into its own? maybe a certain organization dedicated to rehabilitating fascists and fighting communism was formed? is that of interest to you? do you have a use for history beyond "every enemy of the West is indistinguishable from Hitler"?
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 nope, Haz doesn't believe in Mendelian genetics because Soviet scientist Trofim Lysenko didn't believe in genetics. And he started crowing about the ultimate vindication of Lysenkoist theory of "grafting" and disproving of genetics when he saw an article about epigenetics (which has "genetics" in its name but hey he's not the sharpest tack)
I was wondering about how to tell Russian-genes and Ukrainian-genes apart when hearing that claim about bio-weapons targeting Russian genes specifically. Now you are saying he doesn't even believe in genetics at all? Why would he then bring up that strange claim and get triggered by it? I'm confused, I feel like I am missing all of the context necessary to even comprehend what this clip was about. 🙃
Canadian here, the Holodomor was taught to me in grade 9 or 10 when we did, Ukranian studies. Now this might just be an Alberta thing because Ukranian immigration was a big part of the province's early history, but there are certainly a lot of people who learned this dreadful chapter of history in Canadian schools.
@@maritapramalte3104 The word you wrote comes from the Russian “голод”, or “golod”, which means hunger. The official term comes from the Ukrainian word for hunger - “голод”, or “holod”.
You see, the problem is- in my adoptive family the Holodomor didn't have to be taught. I grew up on my grandmother's stories about Petlyura's Jewish pogroms and the Holodomor.
The letters written by Roger to Olena and Putin are particularly hilarious because they seem to be written by a damn 9 year old. Seriously, me and half my classmates at the age of 10 could have written that, and made it sound less written by a child, and we were not exactly prodigies. Seriously, grown ass men talking about stuff they know as much about as toddlers.
I think Hasan needs to be higher. No one takes Haz seriously most of his fans are ironic and laugh at him. Hasan has a cult of young people who worship him. He has ties to the biggest streamers in the world like Pokemane, Valkyrie (I don't care about spelling her name right) and Ethan Klein. I would argue Hasan has done more to make people anti Ukraine then Russia Today or Sputnik. Also my issue with Hasan is that he never really admitted he was wrong in a super genuine way or apologized. I feel like he only did the bare minimum to backpeddle because he anticipated the American left supporting Russia more then they ended up doing. I honestly would respect him more if he just stuck to his guns and said what he clearly thinks. At best he doesn't care about Ukraine and at worst he hates Ukraine.
Hasan does not understand politics because he is lazy / incapable of analyzing complex subjects, he should stick to watching lolcow videos Unfortunately, people stick to watch him because he is handsome, I can give him that
Wait...wtf does the conflict in Ukraine have to do with Ketanji Brown Jackson's nomination on the U.S.'s Supreme Court? Jordy's making even less sense than usual here...and that's effin' saying something. Well, dunna what I was expecting from the guy who was screeching on Twitter that some public bathroom in Canada had a sign asking people to use fewer paper towels... 😂😂😂
The thing about the Ukrainian “bioweapons” is always so funny to me. First of all most hospitals have a lab for dangerous pathogens so they can do research on them. Secondly, maybe researching these pathogens is a good idea considering your schizophrenic neighbor has a widely publicized and pervasive bioweapons stockpile and has gone to the lengths of threatening WMDs. The thing about “well America has bioweapons too” is also dumb because we have done more to dismantle our stockpile over the years than to expand it.
Cheers from Zaporizhzhya! Everything you said is spot-on. A little word about ethnic russians in Ukraine: a lot of people in Ukraine were born in russia (and I'm not talking about 150 thousand good russians) I got some of my friends who are ethnic russians saying that they are sorry and ashamed of their homeland while both of us being bombed and sitting in a bomb shelter. What I'm getting at is if your first reaction to any syren Yobana Rusnya, you are Ukrainian. And yeah, and after speaking with these people, there ain't no ethnic russians in Ukraine :)
@Qatre Smokoza Dziękuję! Polska = 1 love , wygramy wszyscy razem i wreszcie będziemy żyć w pokoju i spokoju. kiedy wojna się skończy, koniecznie przyjedźcie na wycieczkę po Ukrainie, mamy kilka fajnych miejsc. (przepraszam za mój język polski, uczę się, ale długa droga przede mną)
Bro you need to set up claymores in front of your house and arm it up crazy right-lib 🦾 style in case the ATF I mean the Wagner tries to invade Zaphoronyia.
@@MegrelMamba Mate , unfortunately all I have personally is 2 molotovs , .22 rifle , a kitchen knife and a massive ego :) but I wonna bet for at least 1/2 k/d ratio
Oh Noam "The west is under a totalitarian rule worse than the Soviet Union because I can't watch Lavrov on RT on cable" Chomsky. Who could ever forget?
Chomsky is an idealist on foreign policy when it comes to the US but then when it comes to the enemies of US hegemony he rapidly turns into a realist talking about how states have a natural desire to have defensive buffers, something which he would rightly call an imperialist front for establing spheres of influence if the US was the country in question.
the truly weird bit about ben is like every now and then, very rarely, he has a sane, reasonable take. he was also one of the few of his ilk that rightly criticized jan 6 as what it was, a criminal insurrection. he's still a terrible person, but he's surprisingly slightly less of an invertebrate than the rest of his kind.
Ben Shapiro is a supporter of Ukraine. He claimed conseratives that support Russia thinking that it's a traditional religious country are stupid, since Russia loves to crack down on Christian churches. He also criticized conseratives for making fun of the way Zelensky was dressed in camo clothe when he met with Biden.
@@Coliflower185 Ben Shapiro reminds me a lot of Bill O'Reilly: generally a loathsome personality and someone I disagree with 95% of the time, but he is genuinely presenting *his* beliefs rather than insincerely selling someone else's agenda.
meanwhile you believe everyone that says from the start of this war ''urkaine is super duper winning!'' yet here we are a year later nothing has changed, winning so hard bruh!
@@yourealittlebitfat4344 Ok I'm gonna need you to step back for a minute and think about what you just said. If a country invades another country and "Nothing has changed" a year later then the invading country sure as hell ain't winning
Hasan's weird acts of defending Non-Western countries when they do a little bit of colonialism makes me curious if he's going to snap at one point and start defending or outright denying some of the nasty stuff Turkey has done using those exact same arguments
Yeah it is easy to blame all the world problems on europeans, especially since they did so much horrible shit, but it can also serve as a sort of scapegoat, I’m not white so I’m good, when in fact all countries have the same problems, all countries are racist af, oppressive, etc.
No he won‘t, plus he is very clearly denouncing Russia. The only part he directly disagrees with is that pre-Annexation Crimea should remain with Ukraine, mostly because a majority of the Crimean population also did not want this.
Ya know, it really freaks me out how successful that whole "make them think everything is relative" has been. I mean if you take a look at the U.S. conservative base right now, you'll see that the very people that have traditionally always believed in an "absolute truth" (that being the 'word of god'), that an objective reality exists... have now been totally convinced by moral relativism! That's kinda crazy to me. I mean I don't think it's literally all the Russians doing.. many politicians here in our own country have realized it's value too (Donald Trump and "fake news" being the most obvious example). I think the existence and prevalence of the internet makes it a lot harder too. Human beings weren't designed to handle such a constant stream of data, ya know? We just don't have the bandwidth to handle being bombarded with so much contradictory information constantly, and eventually people just kinda shut down. I mean I'd bet I'm more well-read on stuff than 90% of people, and I know I can't do it, so I'd imagine that there are very few people that can. And if a person is scared, confused, and doesn't quite know what's going on in a rapidly changing world, they're liable to be manipulated into all sorts of different "brands" of truth. Idk how we're ever going to fix this shit 😶
American here too, this is absolutely pathetic for the Russians. They can’t face Ukraine on the battlefield so they’re on social media pretending to be westerners to spread misinformation. And some, some not all, of our compatriots fall for it. Don’t worry though, none of this matters, once Russia is lost it will all be made clear.
Little personal experience for those interested Couple of months ago, I made a post on Tumblr lamenting about self proclaimed leftists that were on Russia side A guy commented that actually, it is a progressive thing and non imperial thing that Russia is doing *check notes* imperialism cause this "operation" was detrimental to the USA imperialism Replied to his comment, a conversation started, after the 3rd reply by him I decided that it's useless to talk to a wall
I’m not pro-Russia, but it should be noted that what they’re doing is *not* imperialism. Remember: imperialism is a system, not an action or moral judgment. The US invading a country isn’t imperialist, the US’s entire economy relying on resource extraction from the global south is imperialism. Russia’s economy doesn’t rely on resource extraction from other countries (though it certainly would like for this to be the case). Semantics, sure, but words do need to mean something.
Imperialism does not refer to internal colonisation. Sure, there’s something to be said about Siberia being integrated into Russian territory, though that happened a long time ago, I’m sure people are fairly indifferent today (literally 500 years ago). Also calling something an empire tends to be an arbitrary value judgment too. Russia’s not really an empire anymore. The vast majority of Russian conquest happened centuries ago, I think most would consider those territories integrated at this point. You can certainly point to Crimea as an example of a recent conquest though, and I wouldn’t disagree. Ukraine would be similar. An empire is a bunch of conquested nations being ruled by a central nation (you know, how the entire west operated in the 1900’s). Now, there’s not a single Russian corporation in the top 100 by foreign investments. There’s one Russian bank in the top 100 banks in the world by asset ownership. And Russian corporations collective assets are nothing compared to that of even Germany, much less the US. Also keep in mind that the West immediately froze Russian assets, something that couldn’t happen to the West who happens to control the world’s finance infrastructure. This is not a country that gets its power and raw materials from abroad. This is a country that can only get these internally. If Russia seizes Ukraine, it certainly takes another step in the imperialist direction, but make no mistake, calling Russia ‘imperialist’ just makes that word mean nothing. Your focus (at least if you call yourself a socialist) should be class war. The Russian-Ukrainian war hurts workers, who are the ones who actually have to fight in this war. No billionaires from Ukraine nor Russia are going fight on the ground. Sure, we’re no fans of Russia here. But we should be uprooting an entire class of people who are fine with senseless violence at the cost of the working class. And this is where your analysis should lie. In this way, target the oligarchs who run Russia AND we target the oligarchs who run the US (and other capitalist countries but it’s especially bad here in the US). Have some class-consciousness
@@Abulb99 I wouldn’t think so. I think this is just a desperate attempt from Russia to seize some semblance of power, but I would hesitate to say this war is fought on ideological grounds. Russia, Ukraine, and the broader west coalition (EU, Canada, US, Australia) are all capitalist nations. Nobody’s fighting over ideology here
@@getagrip7474 Sort of. You can measure that the temperature is 20 degrees C. That's objectively true. But at the same time, it can be relatively true that one person can feel too hot while another person can feel too cold. The problem comes when someone ignores that nuance and believes that any and all truth can be relative. If we measure the temperature at 20 degrees C, and we all agree that the measuring device is working properly, but someone still says, "No. The truth is that it's 30 degrees C", they're not expressing a relative or subjective truth. They are lying.
@@barbaros99 no even here you are wrong. the device in fact may not be working and that person is right. anyway the truth is objective in either case, but in either case someone fails to communicate it truthfully be that the majority and the thermometer or the 1 person. Similarly with victims of assault the victim may be lying or the assaulters may be lying. Some people ware way better at dedecuing the truth, or maybe certain truths in certain situations and other people are better at other truths.
Thank you. I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson - but first and foremost of his ways to motivate oneself to get out of a rut, a motivational speaker and a psychotherapy practitioner. The issue is he became so popular that I think it got to him and he now assumes expertise in areas he has little to none in.
11:17 fun fact: the partial autonomy - e.i. decentralisation, as per Minsk Agreement 2 - had been applied for all Ukraine's regions that were not occupied by Russia after 2014.
The amnesty for Ukrainian citizens taking part in war still exists. It was one of the points that was implemented One can give up themselves to authorities, and if no war crimes were committed then one is free to go on a parole.
you see, peterson is completely consistent in his point, as the russian authoritarianism is not a compassionate one but srsly, i think he just wanted to slap a bunch of adjectives together and see if it still makes sense.
I think it somehow reflects the slow degradation of USA internal politics which puts the radical versions of democrats that are required to have an opposite stance on each and every question. The democrats are pro-Ukraine, thus the republicans have to be against it, and Peterson, just so happens, assigned himself to the rep camp
Those "leftists" participating in the protests you mention... I keep asking myself in which way they are leftists. Because they don't like the US? Because they kinda enjoyed the GDR but never cared about the political ideology behind it all? How's that leftist?
It says a lot about American political discourse when a needless war can be politicised to the point where it's a culture war talking point and not the complex situation it actually is
That’s how I feel too. The right (especially the MAGA faction) has trivialized the horrors in Ukraine down to their idiotic culture war. Like if you support Ukraine, then that must somehow mean you support the notion of drag Queen story telling for Ukrainian children.
The problem is that liberal NATO supporters are the ones oversimplifying the conflict, not leftists. There was an 8 year long civil war along with a multi decade long ethnic, generational and cultural conflict between East and West Ukrainians. All of them have legitimate grievances, but American liberals just think everyone in Ukraine just loves the west and hates Russia and Russia just randomly attacked one day while the US decided to step in and defend democracy. That's massive propaganda and oversimplification.
I'm a lifelong leftist who never had any love for the USSR or Cuba, two places many of my fellow American leftists loooove to fetishize. It's sad to see that that kind of auto-pilot attitude is still in evidence. If you asked these same people if Hitler should've been fought, they'd unhesitatingly answer yes. My question then would be: did you think that the Allied countries were a bunch of good guys wearing white hats? Of course not: you had Britain and France, two nations who still had brutal, virulently racist colonial empires (not to mention the Netherlands and Belgium, though they were occupied), plus of course the US, an apartheid state whose armed forces were fully segregated. And that's not even mentioning Stalin. Should opposition to those things have translated to: well, we're not exactly good guys ourselves, so we should just let Hitler gobble up whatever parts of Europe he wants? Because it seems like that's what some people actually believe when it comes to Ukraine.
I have mostly managed to avoid him, but whenever I do come across him it baffles me that people hold him up as smart. He's just using long words, terms that have no relevance to the discussion and fancy sounding quotes to appear smart. Truly the idiots genius.
@@Ludovicus1769 buddy if you need an internet personality to tell you obvious shit like to make your own bed and that substantially affects your life, you've really got issues
The biolabs story was the more stunning for us, Ukrainians, because of the other thesis that russians were throwing into the media, that were even more outlandish. On this channel you search for real life possibilities and what can be done, but on the russian TV shows they were actually talking about some genetical weapons being produced in those secret bio-labs that would be carried by the pigeons or other birds to attach exclusively russian people and make them infertile. At the same time, the same TV shows would spit propaganda: "Ukraine is russia and Ukrainians are russians are the same people". And even if you asked any z-patriot how is that possible - why this moment you say that ukrainians are russian and other they are not - they would just scream at you, say you are stupid and you don't understand how those bloody americans manipulated your oppinion. Am glad I found this channel. The calm, poised and detailed analysis is just amazing. It's just a pity that such great videos can only be made once per month an not more due to the amount of work it requires. But what this channel has done is already amazing. Thank you!
He was patchy since 2016. His whole identity was built off refuting a Canadian bill to recognise transphobia as a hate crime and spinning it into free speech somehow
8:10 There is wisdom in not offering advice or commentary in areas of blatant ignorance. That advice flew over the narcissist head of our good friend from Canada.
Haz making the "Russian DNA targetting" claim while otherwise always claiming/parroting that "Ukrainians" don't exist, because the ARE (the same as) Russians in every sense, apart from Lenin drawing a line on a map (i.e. culturall, ethnically and GENETICALLY) has me rolling every time.
Honey, Lenin is the scum which forced USSR on us and culturally we're more sophisticated that ruzzian cattle. Most of people outside moscow seem to not know what toilet is.
You may not like a Russia, China, Brazilian State etc but the ability to think critically & independently in the West has disappeared. You need to step out of your comfort zones, travel a little & expose yourselves to people that do real journalism, listen to people who risk their lives and careers to speak & write truth to power.
He just repetaed the same propaganda every pro-ukranian channel does. I mean "taking back Crimea is on the table" how? Everybody keeps repeating that. Its propaganda. Saying so doesnt make it possible or true. I can watch 50 channels saying the same things but they are just repeating nonsense.
Why? Neolib analysis of Ukraine is so boring, you can find it literally anywhere on mainstream media if you just want to be spoon fed the “America good, Russia bad” analysis
Well, the ability to finally accept he was wrong is at least a redeeming factor! Changing opinions isn’t always the easiest - and this war has forced a lot of people to change opinions, or rather, realise that there are exceptions! A lot of people who oppose war and has always opposed war, now have to accept that this war is different - it’s a war of defense, and the only true anti-war position is to say that Russian aggressions should never be respected or rewarded!
except he learned nothing about it - other than "be right 98% of the time, but they lever let you down for the other 2%" (he said exactly this reasutly in a video that had nothing to do with him being wrong about anything) - he is STILL an "American Bad!" leftists. So, why should him saying anything about "oops sorry - I guess they ARE bad" mean anything?
9:12 "Fun, fun, fun". My late grandmother born in 1922 (may she rest in peace) told me that in 1930th they ate soup made from onion shells and leaves from trees. I wish the scumbag Jordan Peterson would experience it himself
As a Ukrainian, I will keep updating this comment. Edit 1: The tier list in 4:22 I will go over that for a bit. Crimean Tatars make sense since they lived in a half of Crimea, the other half belonged to the Kievan Rus (Ukraine), The democratic republic of Turkey never lived in Crimea, maybe Hasan was referring to the Ottoman Empire, but it still doesn't make sense since the Ottoman Empire (as far as I am aware) never stepped foot on Crimea. Greece also the same as turkey, the only form of Greece that might have ruled Crimea were the ancient Greek who were the first to move to the territories of Ukraine (the name the ancient Greek gave to the lands near the Dnipro river) but again they are called ancient for a reason. So, in my opinion, the people who should rule Crimea are : Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars. Edit 2: About the cultural war, it is understandable and is real since, fun fact! Russia (back when it was the Russian Empire) spent 9 years re-writing the history books of Russia and especially... Ukraine and the Kievan Rus to the point where people believe we weren't called the Kievan Rus but perhaps the Kevin Ukraine since it is slightly confirmed that the Russian Empire made up the fact that we had a "Rus" in our name to make it seem like Ukraine is Russia. Edit 3: Is Jordan Pearson blaming the "Голомодор" on Ukraine? For those who don't know "Голомодор" was a time when there was no food in Ukraine and people were dying, my grandfather had 11 siblings in ww2 and only 4 of them survived, and the rest died from hunger. And the thing is, this "Голомодор" was across the entirety of the Soviet Union, not just Ukraine. Edit 4: (probably my last one) This one is about the chemicals, Ukraine is researching chemicals for non-military purposes, guess what Russia started using labs in captured regions for? Chemical weaponry. Guess what they said when people questioned them about it? They said the chemical weapons were Ukrainian... Ukraine never made chemical weapons ever since it became independent in 1991. At the time of writing this, every Ukrainian soldier must have a gas mask because Russians started using mustard gas and other chemical weapons not only on soldiers but also on civilians.
Hasan forgetting that a majority of Crimea voted for independence in 1991. To be fair, it was the area that was the closest at 54% in Crimea and 57% in Sevastopol (which is its own "province"). Crazy how Russia has a right to a place that when put to a vote said it didn't want to be part of Russia. That's despite all the decades of ethnic cleansing and importing Russians to try to legitimize their claim.
Crimean Tatars and Turks? How far do you want to go back then? You can argue that Greeks and Germans have a claim to Crimea via Pricipality of Theodosia. The mental gymnastics of neocons lol
I mean the thing is that when I realised what the ‘Young Turks’ that he’s part of actually refers to, i realised he’s romanticising an imperialist party from the Ottoman Empire. The party that wanted to take back all their territories in the Balkans and Greece. And ones who committed atrocities too. Yet he’s the one who claims to be against imperialism. I mean jesus christ criticise the US for their actions but you can’t justify the deaths of innocent people who have nothing to do with foreign policy
@@GuineaPigEveryday I think the reason they have that named is cause the young turks were to reform the empire and the term is sometimes used to mean young eople whi agitate for change.
"Saying Russia should take back Crimea because it was part of Russia until the 1950s when Ukrainian Soviets gave it to Ukraine is like saying Israel should take all of Palestine because it was part of Israel thousands of years ago" lol
Thank you for helping to bring awareness to the problem of roid rage in social media personalities. This topic gets little to no coverage in the "mainstream media".
remember the
Nobody care about Ukraine.
me when the
HOMOLODOR
@@densidste9137 said the troll, crying into his hands, needing people to believe it.
Holodumbledore
Hearing Hasan talk about the history of the region as someone from Central-Eastern Europe made me wanna commit drink 5 liters of vodka.
I'm with you brother. I have no idea why Hasan is so popular. Here in central Europe we have drunk homeless dudes spouting exactly the same delusional bullshit he does, maybe they should start a twitch channel
Přesně tak!
Ukrainians need to tidy their room
Słuchanie amerykanów mówiących o historii i polityce centrolnej i wschodniej Europy prowokuje epizody depresji.
@@janwrobel8912do you agree with what this guy says or what Hasan the Retard says?
As a leftist from Eastern Europe, I want to thank you. I've seen so many western leftists adopt a Russian apologist stance out of a mixture of Soviet fetishization and "America bad, therefore Russia good" that it felt like a slap on the face. It made me realize that so many of them see the words "American imperialism" and get mad at the first part, not the second. So thank you, for being a voice of reason.
It's an inverted American exceptionalism. Instead of believing that America is responsible for all of the world's greatest things, they believe America is responsible for all of the world's problems. They can't fathom that the rest of the world has lives outside of whatever America is doing
@@Gloomdrake It's not inverted, it's the exact same idea: America is the only "player" on the world stage, every other country is an NPC that simply acts according to simple AI. Thus if the world is unbalanced, it's America's fault.
@@PlatinumAltaria inverted in that they view America as a negative force instead of a positive force. Otherwise they're identical
what you're saying is what most liberals accuse leftists of when they have a russian apologist stance that is due to being anti war. Also kinda strange you don't seem aware of the anti-war stance...
@@hybridh9702 If you are taking a russian apologist stance you are not any kind of "anti war".
The fact anyone takes Hasan seriously on political takes is laughable.
his audience are teenagers
@@ivandankob7112 and xD? teenagers especially in this time should have critical thinking too... + it was never so easy as nowadays to look up claims and history...
Oh russia killed millions of polish and ukraines - you can literally look this up in seconds with backed proof - Being a teenager is not an excuse for being stupid
I watch him a little bit, and I don't 😂 hopefully no one does. His takes are so batshit insane and over the top, I tell myself that it has to be for entertainment, but my problem with him is that he frames himself as someone to who politically is to be taken seriously...
For all it's irony, as much as American leftists whine about Americentrism they seem to be the most Americentric people one can ever find
Only Americans have agency. The rest of us are too stupid to notice we're just pawns in their games, and too weak to do anything about it even if we knew.
If your foreign policy is just “America Bad” and your main source is Chomsky, then you don’t get to call other people America-centric, and I say this as an American Leftist
Nothing in the world can happen unless either America is behind it (if it's bad), or America is trying to stop it (if it's good). This is effective because with this belief there is no need to grapple with the actual events happening.
americans are incredibly insular, for the most part.
some stateside leftists manage to develop some perspective on the world outside US borders, but many unfortunately don’t.
@@mj.l I'd like to think that I've worked to developing some sense of that, but I haven't really thought of myself as American in a long time. I'm really just stuck here: I feel no real loyalty to it, and have more of the feelings one would associate with patriotism towards my home state, the LGBT community, and the Esperantujo. I care about the general state of America because this is where I and all of my family and loved ones live and this is where I have to spend my foreseeable future, but not because I think it's either the best or worst thing to have ever happened to the world.
Why would anyone would take Jordan Peterson seriously on this subject?... at all... he is a psychologist/psychiatrist... His knowledge of history and understanding of military matters is microscopic.
His fans take everything he says as some ultimate authority. It's infuriating how he gets carte blanche by some people while displaying some truly terrible ignorance of history.
Right, I love his psychiatric stuff, but his politics/history knowledge (which is why people know about him) is atrocious.
Hell even his knowledge on psychology is microscopic 😂
The guy doesn't even know the difference between Caspian and Black sea, that's all I need to know about his expertise in Ukraine topic.
To be fair, he wrote a book (Maps of Meaning), which investigates some of the reasons people do evil things. For this he used (I think) lots of examples from history. So he is atleast knowledgeable on the subject. Disclaimer: I didn't read this book, so I could be entirely wrong. However, I got the sense, from listening to interviews and podcasts, that my statement isn't that far from the truth.
As Volodymyr Vinnychenko once said “To be Ukrainian, is to be in a constant state of proving everyone you deserve to exist”
We know they exist, ranked 130 most corrupted country out of 190. good job
@@yourealittlebitfat4344 well, that's pretty good. Did ruzzia already reached top 10?
@@yourealittlebitfat4344 hahahhaha true
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Number 1 is the least corrupt not most….
@@yourealittlebitfat4344 and somebody immediately swoops in with an irrelevant stat to say Ukrainians shouldn't exist i guess?
As a Ukrainian (and, shameful to admit, former Peterson fan), I'm fucking dying from "remember the Hullamador"
Darling, you got it all wrong. It's not up to them to honor the Holodomor. It's up to us- the survivors! Nobody is gonna " gift " anything to us- I would think that 9 years is enough to figure that out. But here is the question- how come neither our Vicky Spartz or the Ukrainian American community is doing bubkes to make sure we have a HOLODOMOR REMEMBERANCE DAY? What the fuck is the point in us- the third and fourth generation survivors- knowing how to spell it???
I'm not ashamed, he says a lot of true things, just not here
@@viktorias63 I really used to enjoy Jordan Peterson, and I still think he has plenty of interesting things to say. However, it really seems that this whole 'leftist are evil incarnate' spiel got the better of him. This combined with his ever-increasing dramatic intensity, has made me to decide to steer clear of him. Which is unfortunate because I still think I could learn plenty of him.
@@MrFrussel yep agree
If Hitler said that beer is good, it does not mean, that you should drink a camel pee now.
Nothing to be ashamed of. He is still more conscious than Waters, Hasan, and a lot of Western politicians and academia. I am from Ukraine.
I love how Jordan Peterson speaks of narcissists while monologuing like the villain in a 90s FMV videogame.
No he doesn’t.
@@Ludovicus1769 he literally does though and notice how his words often don't even mean anything or they can be applied to anything he just likes to hear himself talk and some people think he is intelligent when in reality he is kinda nuts and unknowledgeable even in the realm of what he was supposed to be good at.
@@jacksmith-vs4ct No, I don’t hear that. When he talks, I hear what he has to say. I may not always agree with it, but I can always understand him. Just because he has a lot to say, doesn’t mean that he’s “selfish”.
@@Ludovicus1769 West good, left bad something something cultural marxism Hitler authoritarian post-modernist judeo-christian something something.
Lots to say.
@@Ludovicus1769 He dos only value what he believes, no matter reason or actual evidence, plnty , opposing that, and e do not engage, but just continues.
If he wer eless selfish, h would be so honest to just do bizarre fiction, not pretent he is important and know everything. Seriously, i wait for hi weird fiction that is sold as fiction.
As a Ukranian, the Hullomador bit was always really funny to me, because yeah, just like you said, it's really funny to claim to "know a lot about Ukraine" and not get the name of the famine right
OMG. Hi from Zhytomyr lol! Hullomador sounds like something straight out of Lord of the Rings to me XD Omg, what an arrogant douche. Can't believe I actually watched him couple years ago
Then I remember that my grandpa had to collect reeds and acorns to make bitter, almost inedible pancakes, and my grandma ate horse vomit, and it immediately stops being funny. But yeah, it's pretty funny for a few seconds.
@@yaroslavromanyuk5669 ми тут іржемо чисто з його тупості і самовпевненості (базованій на НІЧОМУ), а не з самої трагедії. Я коли про це подумаю, що людям довелося пережити, то завжди сльози в очах. Але тут залишається тільки гірко посміятися з подібної мразоти, яка претендує на якусь "експертність" і не може запам'ятати щось настільки важливе і елементарне
True! I never thought I would be able to laugh at a holodomor bit, yet that hit hard.
Ukraine done gon need _holodomor_ freedom sticks if dey fixin take beck Crimea
Ukrainian here, sad part to realise is that for all these people this war is just the reality show where they base their opinion on personal preferences and not necessarily the truth and facts. Really frustrating when people are dying literally every day and certain individuals with some level of influence are spreading misinformation (no matter if they want the war to end or continue) that's gonna have a negative impact and all of this nightmare is only gonna continue because of it. Only positive side is that most people are actually in favour of justice and I'm thankful for that.
@Antonio Gramsci oh right so we should just let russians kill, rape and do everything they want to us because "west is bad" ok got it
@Antonio Gramsci hahaha
@Antonio Gramsci not enough whataboutism dude I'm sure you can do better
the truth is even for people like you it is a reality tv show too,lol. but for you it's more a war drama. you're so obsessed with your truth and facts it helps you ignore the reality of the extent of the suffering. yu only have to nod to it's existance. you don't have actually weigh it.
@Antonio Gramsci but your argument was literally a whataboutism. And I know it may sound crazy to you but you know that you can live without supporting the rape and killing of certain group of people based on their ethnicity and just be a normal good human being? A shocker I know
I love how Peterson pulls a Trump and pretends that "no one knew about it until I started talking about it".
I literally made a meme about the holodomor for a lefty sub 18 days ago. What the f*** does he mean "nobody talks about it"?
(Just to be clear, the meme was me calling Stalin a fascist because the holodomor was the third largest genocide in human history, so #1 is holocaust, number #2 was barbarossa and #3 was "the great USSR peoples genocide" which feels kind of odd if you think about it for like 2 seconds)
Well, he is correct, nobody knew about the Holomodor before he mentioned it...
@@user-semenar it’s true, the entire world collectively forgot about it until Peterson saw in a vision it happening and revealed this hidden knowledge upon us.
@@CausticSpace Yes, the Heavens told Peterson to spread the word about Holodomor.
@@jakobc.2558 stalin wasn't a fascist lmao, leftie cope
As someone who grew up on lots of punk and hip, learning alsorts of leftist politics, i am still extremely disappointed by many western leftists. The overal theme seems to be "america bad", with no accounting for infinitely complex geopolitical relationships and world history. Im still a leftist, but this has really encouraged me to get outside of those echo chambers. Slava Ukrani!
Yeah, those guys are basically just entertainers and it doesn't mean that leftism doesn't have validity now. Denmark is still one of the best places to live in in the world and that won't change just because of a dumb Hasan take.
I've been a committed leftist for around 15 years, since I was a young teenager. I still am and probably always will be, but I am shocked to see how many fellow leftists will condemn US actions like the coups in Latin America and terrorism against Cuba, but will also be able to completely disregard doing the same violent, imperialist shit in Ukraine. Two governments can be shit at the same time, who would have guessed?! (I might add that most leftists in my country are not so silly as to subscribe to the pro-Russian view though, probably due to proximity to eastern Europe and due to the number of refugees who are able to testify to the horrors of the invasion.)
@@lisaw150
I honestly don't think it's a lot of leftist, maybe in Germany, but not elsewhere.
The leftist I do see take pro-Russian stances is mostly among the old, you know, people who's still stuck back in the 70's - and haven't yet figured out that Russia isn't the continuum of the USSR they spend years idealising.
Heck, the USSR wasn't even anywhere near the utopia they thought it was.
The groups I see take pro-Kremlin position is mostly on the far-right, and in conspiracy assumption circles, (a segment of people who have some overlap with both the far-left and the far-right, but usually mostly the latter, and depending on which side they fall to they are usually very Christian or very "Spiritual").
I also see a small group of refugees being drawn towards the Kremlin narrative, but mostly out of distrust for the US.
Especially in my country, (one of the Scandinavian ones), most of the left, see this war as a war against war!
It's seen as a necessity that Russian imperialist aggression isn't rewarded!
@@gorillaguerillaDK then it would seem things in Scandinavia are similar to Germany (which is where I live haha). Here only some older "leftists" who have drifted right or are die-hard stalinists take the pro-Russian position. Younger ones - clearly in favour of Ukranian territorial integrity and self-determination. However, I have strong family and friendship ties to the "Angloshpere" and leftists from that part of the world that I otherwise have great affection and respect for REALLY disappoint me when it comes to the war in Ukraine. There's one American friend, an academic with international experience and all, who I avoided for months because his views were just unbearable... sadly he's not alone
You're just a lib lol
I think for some leftists I know, their stance on Ukraine comes from a sort of cultural/political narcissism that exists here in the US. To the people actually living in Ukraine, many of their positions sound like “Ukrainians, please give up chunks of your territory and population so that we can feel comfortable and satisfied with ourselves again, knowing we are staying pure by opposing lethal aid to Ukraine.” It’s this attitude of thinking they know what’s best for Ukrainians and if only they could see the error of their ways, they would pursue peace at any cost. And what gets me is, at least among the good faith leftists like Hasan, they don’t even realize their attitude is essentially a western chauvinist mindset, just coming from the left in their case.
If it happened to them and their towns and their families, they would demand that Russia be nuked. Look at what happened after 9/11, when 3,000 innocent people died, and how the US reacted.
I think for some liberals I know, their stance on Ukraine comes from a sort of cultural/political narcissism that exists here in the US. To the people actually living in Ukraine, many of their positions sound like "Ukrainians, I know we couldn't find your country on a map a few months ago, but we are all Ukrainian nationalists now, trust us! You will now all fight in this endless war with our training and weapons to the last Ukrainian! You must fight all the Russians by yourself, it's important for the future of the free world and democracy! But we won't send any of our own troops though, good luck!"
It's this attitude of thinking everyone in Ukraine loves America and hates Russia and wants to pursue war at any cost.
@@danielshepard2315 Don’t pretend to care about Ukrainians. You want to make the nuclear war/ww3 argument, then fine, I can at least understand the argument. Either way, the disingenuous and lazy sarcasm doesn’t help your case my friend.
I love how this criticism of Americentric thinking is only ever levied at anti war western leftists, never at western politicians who are pro war. Fascinating.
@@samsca8529 Do you KNOW the people who are now criticising the Americentrism of parts of the western left? Do you know what they'ven been up to in the past? Some of the people you are talking to here have DECADES of experience in the anti-imperialist left and have been criticising American politicians and their actions all that time. Just because you weren't paying attention doesn't mean it wasn't happening.
It just goes to show that people are happy to have absolutely terrible takes because they just can’t fathom that they might end up on the same side of the debate are somebody they usually disagree with and really have built an identity around hating. I don’t like American colonialism, I am very suspicious of American foreign policy, but that doesn’t mean that by default anything the Americans say is automatically a lie, and whoever they are saying it’s about is automatically good. That’s literally still confirmation bias. It’s just as dumb to believe everything you are told as it is to disbelieve everything you are told. Critical thinking, requires a case by case basis, Not deciding your allegiances, just because of whose mouth it is coming out of. I would argue. It’s perfectly reasonable to think that the Americans are working in bad faith, as well as the Russians, and yet still believe that Ukraine deserves help to defend itself. All of these points aren’t mutually exclusive.
You’re right, but a lot of the accusations being thrown by Vatniks are just ridiculous because they show they have absolutely no understanding of how organisations such as NATO works and calling everything remotely related to American interests American Imperialism while at the same time refusing to acknowledge that some of the worst offenders of American Imperialist ideology is supporting Russia and what Russia is doing is the most clear cut example of old-school empire building through military conquest attempt we've seen in a very long time!
Also, USA isn’t trying to make Ukraine a vassal state of the US, Russia on the other hand is!
Ukraine isn5 trying to become part of the US, it’s trying to become accepted into the European community!
Only people who doesn’t have a clue thinks the US controls NATO and the EU!
Sometimes even countries with a shitty past, (like most of us, but of course also the US), can see the benefit of acting responsible - and Vatniks are trying to tell us that it doesn’t make a difference!
However, I’m sure that if I’ve made a living of robbing banks, then it doesn’t mean I shouldn’t spend any money on charity or that those who get it, doesn’t deserve it!
American interests are served by Ukraine independence.
Nations don't have morals.
The US (er...our) interests just happen to correspond with freedom and democracy THIS TIME.
...A refreshing change.
Russia has put its' foot in a bear trap. The more of their resources they destroy, the less of a player on the world stage they are.
No one cares what you like or don't like, what actions are you actually advocating for? You can say "American colonialism/militarism is bad" all day, doesn't matter if you don't actually do anything about it. This isn't a new concept. America is doing the same thing they did throughout the entire cold war, expanding NATO and arming/training whatever group is convenient for them to weaken Russia's geopolitical interests. In this case, they turned Ukraine into a militarized American sattelite state since 2014 by overthrowing the pro Russian government and cutting off Russia's land access to Crimea and the black sea. American's are using west Ukrainians to further their own geopolitical interests, just like Russia is using East Ukrainians to further their own interests. This is nothing more than a war between the US and Russia with Ukrainian bodies. And it could of been easily avoided by simply keeping Ukraine neutral and not trying to weaken Russia with NATO/military expansion.
@@danielshepard2315
So the Ukrainians themselves have no agency.
Gotcha.
@@grmpEqweer Correct, they are sadly just victims of a conflict between 2 larger states using them as puppets and proxies. That's the reality of the situation bud, sorry if it's not as happy as "brave Ukrainian avengers fighting against Thanos for freedom!"
Imagine being against the illegal occupation of Palestine, but supporting Putin. The cognitive dissonance is astounding
because they do not care about palestine,all of this is just theatrics for attention. when this story ends they will forget about it.
America = bad ; America support Ukraine = Ukraine bad ; Russia fight bad Ukraine = Russia good
The entire train of thought
@@artkl494 "When this story ends" Sweet naive summerchild. Politics will never be peaceful and colonialism will always be a problem. Doesn't matter if it's Israel, Iran, Russia, USA, China et cetera.
because they're not really support Palestine, they do it because they hate Jews or USA
Same with Ukraine, most of the people did not even know where we are located, but they heard that something-something, Ukraine is USA paw, that's why they are against Ukraine now
@@InspiriumESOO Not what they meant. “When this story ends” refers to Russo-Ukranian War, as in when it ends anyone who supported Putin will forget it ever existed because they don’t actually care about either side.
Oh man, Jordie Peeperson squinting at the telepromter pretending to quote from memory is my new favourite thing 🤣🤣
All those pills have really done a number on his long term memory.
His declining vision paired with his unhinged comments about driving makes me concerned for people on the same road as him.
His return to the pinstripe suit means the fedora can't be far behind. Can't wait for that lounging squint coming from under a fedora.
@@GhostInTheMachine165 Headlines From the Future: Jordan Peterson Crashes Cadillac El Dorado into Kindergarten After Doing 90 MPH Through a School Zone, Blames Transgender People. Toxicology reports found trace amounts of blood in his narcotics stream.
_r e m e m b e r t h e H U L L A D A M O R_
"Civil war" is also a Russian propaganda taking point.
1. It started when foreign troops ceased government buildings in Sloviansk.
2. The leadership and command of these so called separatists are Russians citizens including literally Russian intelligence officers (Girkin himself for one).
3. The whole brigades of Russian marines "getting lost" in Ukraine as Putin himself put it (are we children or have an IQ south of 70).
4. Minsk agreement is signed between Ukraine and Russia with OSCE as a mediator calling to withdraw foreign troops from Ukraine among other things.
One gotta be very special or quite dishonest to call that a civil war.
For a country that produced so many chess grandmasters, Russians seem remarkably bad at this whole strategy thing :)
Just compare the casualties. You'll see who is loosing
@@night_wolf9734 yeah Russians love targeting civillians.
@@night_wolf9734 yes, russia, lmao
@@heetheet75 yes. Ukraine. Lmao
@@night_wolf9734 cope and seethe russoid simp
I remember with Jackson hinkle, A video of him saying, "Russia is not going to invade Ukraine" Then later him saying "I never said Russia would not invade Ukraine" followed by "Anyone who claims I said that Is a liar"
that dude is a russian lover to the extent he just went to the front line with russia
he's an Iranian lover too, look up his tweet when Iran was attacking Israel
@@adrielsebastian5216 i don’t try to look at him on twitter he’s like the geopolitics version of jordan peterson or andrew tate wrong about everything and cheering on the worst team. (side note i was gonna say trump but t dawgs foreign policy ideas seem to be if u give me 1 vote please vote for me 1 vote i’ll end every war on earth if u give me 1 vote i’ll cut ur taxes ill suck ur a dick and i’ll end every war for oooonnnneeee vote)
That Jordan Peterson clip is basically "I don't know jack shit about this, so I'm gonna talk about something else and pretend they're related"
Unsurprising, that's his usual shtick
Since the beginning of this war I've lost respect for SO MANY leftists, either personal acquaintances or public personalities. Your channel is literally a breath of fresh air. Thank you for your hard work!
We don't know the opinion of many leftists on UA-cam to be fair, because they make videos so slowly we don't get their opinions
@@PropheticShadeZ I'm talking more in general about public figures. Like this one famous left wing cartoonist in my country, who got all "it's better to surrender than to fight" (probably an even more repulsive and cowardly take than outright "the Russians are right").
I recommend Vaush, who, like LB, stood for Ukraine and raised money for Ukrainian refugees around this time last year. Edgy, but good advocate for his ideas.
@Antonio Gramsci You are exactly what he's talking about. You tankies are the literal embodiment of the horseshoe theory. If your talking points are identical with far right talking heads like Tucker Carlson and Jordy Peterson, how can you expect anyone with a functioning braincell to take you seriously?
@@Western.war_edits his support for US hegemony is basically just saying, well it's better than the alternative. And considering the alternative is China and/or Russia, he ain't wrong
I am from Ukraine, watched war start in 2014 in Donbass, then watched it to continue in Kyiv. Minsk agreements WERE held by Ukraine. All of the points which were possible to implement WERE implemented. Decentralization was one of the biggest points which gave great results on our economy. On ethnic russian genocide by Ukraine. In 2014 I was a university teacher in Donetsk. I was reading my lectures, filled my documents and spoke to students in russian language. Then russian troops came and turned out that I was heavily oppressed.
You were a sucker. 😂 The use of Russian in universities was banned. The fact that you flaunted the rules does speak more about the situation in Ukraine overall and not the official policy. You probably also got grants from the West and all your peers benefited from being suckers for Kiev and Soros. Now, the people that rose up against Kiev did not extract any benefits from being in Ukraine.
As a rightwinger (I found this video from pro-ukraine discord) I lost respect for so many right wingers because of their completely stupid bootlicking of Ruzzia.
I think those guys would support globalism just so long as it doesn't have a pride flag attached.
As a right winger I have no respect for bootlickers and supporters of the forever wars, namely you.
The sheer amount of approving and rejoicing comments of ordinary Russians under videos of the atrocities committed against civilians in Ukraine were no less a shock for Ukrainians than the war itself.
We have somehow got used to the war, but the realization of who we have been living next to all this time, without even knowing it, is still terrifying.
Those creatures call themselves our brothers. Imagine what they would do to you who they call their enemies if you let them.
True. Hope to make them shit themselves in fear as their PMCs starting cooking.
Нас за що?😂
It's honestly disheartening to read many of these comments, where the issue is approached with the assumption Ukraine is just a geopolitical pawn and not a sovereign nation. What right does any other nation, specifically Russia, have in dictating what choices Ukrainians makes?
Thats nice. Ukr is being used as a pawn tho
@@bobsemple9341 Used as a pawn by defending their sovereignty against unjustified aggression? I want to know what mental gymnastics you used.
@@xanathem7 no mental gymnastics here. Ur just unwilling to see facts.
The west is using this as an experiment on Russian weapons, a way to to try weaken Russia.
Ukr isn't worth defending. Its currupt af and nor a very nice country. Yet they're dumbing billions into it?
Doesn't make sense
@@bobsemple9341 Doesn't make sense if you are a Russian apologist 😘
@@xanathem7 when did I ever apologise for anything Russia said? Give an example kiddo
Roger Waters appears to have never got over the death of his father in WWII.
Eric Waters was a former pacifist who changed his views (possibly as a result of fatherhood) joined the army, became an officer and was killed at Anzio in February 1944 when his son was only 6 months old. Roger's take on war such as in "Us and Them" [Dark Side of the Moon] and "When the Tigers Broke Free" [The Final Cut] depicts commanders coldly indifferent to the suffering of their troops. What he didn't and doesn't seem to understand is that wars against a pitiless aggressor have to be fought and that who lives and who dies is unfair and often arbitrary. Fortunately people like his own father thought differently, served and sacrificed themselves and Nazism was defeated 15 months later. Roger's inner child still angry, even though the people he is angry with are all gone now.
You may be reading too much into it. He's been a contrarian clown for the past 30 plus years and is just staying true to form.
@@masterbeaver But it's quite a take to resent the fight against the Nazis.
Except the USSR defeated Nazism. Which is why it's so satirical Russia now thinks it's fighting Nazism, because they're not.
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 "ussr defeated nazis" is an underwhelming analysis and is a russian talking point. They almost _were the nazis._ Remember that time Stalin asked to join the Axis? Or that time when they were dividing Poland between themselves? That's to say, they weren't too different. Eastern Europe remembers that fact, which is why we hate russia so much.
@@madeline6951 reading history by what almost happened is akin to divination.
"what do you mean by ukraine?" "what do you mean by russia?" "what do you mean by war?" - jordan postmoderson
JP's boss: have you finished that report?
JP: what do you mean "have"..? What do you mean "you"..? What do you mean.....
One can legitimately ask "what do you mean by Ukraine?"
Do you mean Western Ukraine, distinct from Eastern Ukraine?
Do you mean Ukraine minus Crimea (i.e. more historical Ukraine), or plus Crimea (post-Soviet Ukraine).
Do you mean the parts of Ukraine that were originally Polish, or vice-versa?
It goes on.
@@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840 you can legitimly ask that about any word, his problem Is that he hates post modernisme tho, while bing terrible at it
@@DeadEndFrog you didn't understand my comment, did you?
I'm not arguing that shit from a "post-" anything perspective.
I'm arguing that from a "this is reality" perspective.
Ukraine is a "country divided", always has been, always will be. "Real Ukrainians" (as they like to call themselves) live in the West. Russo-Ukrainians (whom everyone now hates, and whose generations can be traced as far back there as any Western Ukrainian in the West) live in the East.
@@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840 i understood it perfectly well, im from the Balkans, so we are experts at this sort of thing. :^) humans love to categorize and then throw a tantrum when others interprate it diffrently, thats a tip from me to you
I just don't understand why people like Jordan Peterson. He has a degree in psychology. Somehow that makes him knower of everything? He speaks in dribble. I knew America was actually telling the truth about what was going on when they predicted what Russia was doing and it turned out to be true. This may be one of the only times America was balls to the wall open.
It isn't that he's especially smart, he just says things that other stupid people want to believe and he has an air of academic when he talks. There are lots of people like this in various "fields".
Even as a psychologist, JP absolutely sucks, not to mention his ventures outsides his fields of knowledge. Public clout he garnered since his debut in social media only feeds his already inflated ego, hence now he's literally all-knowing being that transcended humanity 😂
@Antonio-Gransci this was the first time they told american citizens to leave the country it was not the usual line.
@Antonio Gramsci They actually were holding security meetings, where they _were_ presenting evidence. Of course, they aren't going to share their sources with the public, are you dumb or something...?
@Antonio Gramsci > gets wrecked by facts
> buh.. but... you're wrong((((
The thing that annoys me as someone from behind the iron curtain and having lived through USSR days is the main character syndrome westeners have about this. People seem to be expert on our matters and talk over our heads with their so called knowledge and not with us. In the same way colonialists think, hush little poor countries, we know what is best for you and turn around and be are the main focal point somehow in this. We have a certain kind attitude soup of melancholia, paranoia, perseverance perhaps sometimes flippant about life etc and that is different from the west so it just feels so laughable and patronizing at the same time. Especially all of those all of the sudden geopolitical experts that are contrarians cause they think it makes them sound smarter
Yes, yes, yes👏👏👏
Well, some of us in the "old western block" has worked closely with former Eastern block people up through the 90's and 00's!
Sure, we might sometimes have takes that includes what WE want to see happen in the future, but it’s not necessarily because we think we are better or know more than you - it has more to do with how we hope the world in general will become, and our high hopes for our close neighbours and former adversaries!
So it makes us sad when countries like Hungary violates our trust and turn away from the path we've set out on together when we accepted the country into our community!
I get that it might sound berating, and I understand that some people insist we should listen more and that there can be "cultural sensitive issues" but hopefully you also under that there are issues where certain takes are just unacceptable….
@@Izanagi057 well if you tired of us whining, then stop talking like you know shit. And if you dont care, then just ignore us, I mean you would if you REALLY didnt care but your angry tone tells otherwise)))) also I dont care if you gudge me or other eastern europeans, but if you are not an expert on the subject, I am going to point it out, its just critics, and people in the video ARE wrong, so your comment is just weird and vile
The thing that annoys me is this delusional idea that Ukraine is still a sovereign country when it's completely propped up by billions of dollars of US spending funding their infrastructure, military and even paying their pensions. This is a conflict between the US and Russia with Ukrainian bodies, and you can't admit that because you want to feel like the underdog Ukrainian nationalist fighting against the larger aggressor, because that's a better propaganda narrative than what's actually happening. The sooner you realize that this war is not about Ukraine fighting for it's freedom, it's about the US and Russia fighting over who gets to have Ukraine as their puppet state, the sooner we can have actual real solutions to the problem.
@@danielshepard2315
Do you know what would leave Ukraine able to fund their own pensions etc?
If there wasn't a imperialist neighbouring country waging a war against them - F'ing vatnik!
Hearing Jorden P Beaterston talk, always leaves me in stunned disbelief. No one will ever compare to his ability to take an infinite amount of time, to say absolutely nothing.
It is weird to see him now in contrast to his old lectures. He regressed in every single possible way.
Needs more meaningful pauses and citations of Russian literature.
well is always hard for ppl to admit when they don't understand someone, so they simply say he talks but says nothing
@@timmteller871 True, I wonder if it was the coma, his sponsors, or just old age.
Bill Cosby towards the end of his comedy career was pretty close, if not worse!
Hello from Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. Thank you for your work in combating Mordor propaganda!
And I am also grateful for the Ukrainian folk song "Oh, there is a red viburnum in the meadow" at the end of the video. This song gives me goosebumps.
Also, now it’s very important to talk about our friends from Georgia 🇬🇪 not only about the war in my homeland
Thank you a lot for the informational support ❤️❤️
Thanks for acknowledging us ❤️❤️
If us Georgians elected a competent non-ruski government in 2012, today we could've had a chance to take back our stolen lands.
@@MegrelMambaGeorgia does not have a pro-Russian government. 😂 Georgian government is pragmatic, they know they need that trade with Russia.
@insomniacresurrected1000 Georgian Dream party sure isn't pro-European. Their leader, Bidzina Ivanishvili has close ties with Putin.
@@insomniacresurrected1000bro the Georgian dream is led by a fucking russian oligarch
I lost some respect for Peterson on this issue. It's obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about but feels the need to pander to a large part of his following. It's the opposite of why he became famous in the first place.
He preaches about "not giving an inch because the tyrant this and that", now a situation presents itself in the REAL world and he turns out to be another paper tiger...
Reminds me of the tragic famine at Hogwarts, the Dumbledamor.
😏😏
I have to disagree, it's more similar to the one at Castle Stark, the Hodoromor.
“Yes yes well done Slytherin, HOWEVER…”
*[waves wand and makes all food for Slytherins disappear forever]*
@@videogamenostalgiathat's a lie, prefects were stealing grain from other students!
There was this other famine, or was it a genocide..? Can’t remember, but I think it was called the Holocazador?
my roommate just walked in while "VLADIMIR PUTIN IS GOOD" was on screen and asked me what was doing
he probably think you are a sussy baka
Always have porn running in another tab just in case someone walks in. Some things are just too hard to explain.
@@GNMbgNah, it's more like Кремлівські покидьки
Remember the Holomodur? The world-serpent that split Pangaea apart in Monster Hunter? No, wait, that was Dalamadur.
What are you talking about? Surely you meant the Homellebomor
No, Holomodur was the guy who made a 2 hour long video about the origin of the Roblox OOF soundbite, commonly associated with the hit children's game Roblox.
I thought it was called Celebrimbor?
What's the actual name? I genuinly never heard of it 😅
@@dyver123 Holodomor
I get chills thinking about what if these people were around and in power during WW2 era. Haven't we learnt anything?
ww2 era was filled with people like this. Pro Hitler Americans were not rare, and antisemitism was everywhere.... Basically things were way worse then in a lot of ways.
hey do you think, do you think there might have been some changes, some significant geopolitical shifts that occurred, after World War II, that might have significantly altered the balance of power globally? like maybe a certain hegemonic superpower came into its own? maybe a certain organization dedicated to rehabilitating fascists and fighting communism was formed? is that of interest to you? do you have a use for history beyond "every enemy of the West is indistinguishable from Hitler"?
Short answer: no.
@@Fopenplop i think that they were right to battle Soviet communism. And some nazis could be rehabbed.
This has nothing to do with anything. You couldve written this comment under an episode of Mystery Diners and it would've been just as applicable.
"Where do we start with Haz"
Haz blocked me when I explained to him how we know that genes exist
Please tell me youre joking
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 nope, Haz doesn't believe in Mendelian genetics because Soviet scientist Trofim Lysenko didn't believe in genetics. And he started crowing about the ultimate vindication of Lysenkoist theory of "grafting" and disproving of genetics when he saw an article about epigenetics (which has "genetics" in its name but hey he's not the sharpest tack)
I was wondering about how to tell Russian-genes and Ukrainian-genes apart when hearing that claim about bio-weapons targeting Russian genes specifically. Now you are saying he doesn't even believe in genetics at all? Why would he then bring up that strange claim and get triggered by it?
I'm confused, I feel like I am missing all of the context necessary to even comprehend what this clip was about. 🙃
@@Seamannon No context is the most you will ever need to extract all useful value from any words that come out of Haz's mouth.
Hasan banned me when I said "looks like you got the Russian invasion wrong" when he had been stating for a week it was a Cia lie
Hasan is Turkish he's contractually obligated to get a little quirky about claims in that area.
Cenk's nephew is also racist against white people
As a Ukrainian, "remember the hullumador" made me scream
Canadian here, the Holodomor was taught to me in grade 9 or 10 when we did, Ukranian studies. Now this might just be an Alberta thing because Ukranian immigration was a big part of the province's early history, but there are certainly a lot of people who learned this dreadful chapter of history in Canadian schools.
It is golodomor. Which means people was starved to dead.
@@maritapramalte3104 The word you wrote comes from the Russian “голод”, or “golod”, which means hunger.
The official term comes from the Ukrainian word for hunger - “голод”, or “holod”.
@@Pedro-ol5fp Thank You for telling me. You can feel I was growing up in Russian occupied country. 😏
Hey! Do u know there is a 19st song about Ukrainian who must flee to “merica” but don’t want to?
ua-cam.com/video/_eJ0L0vBm3k/v-deo.html
You see, the problem is- in my adoptive family the Holodomor didn't have to be taught. I grew up on my grandmother's stories about Petlyura's Jewish pogroms and the Holodomor.
The letters written by Roger to Olena and Putin are particularly hilarious because they seem to be written by a damn 9 year old. Seriously, me and half my classmates at the age of 10 could have written that, and made it sound less written by a child, and we were not exactly prodigies. Seriously, grown ass men talking about stuff they know as much about as toddlers.
One of the benefits of being a rock star is never having to grow up. Also the worst hazard of being a rock star.
I think Hasan needs to be higher. No one takes Haz seriously most of his fans are ironic and laugh at him. Hasan has a cult of young people who worship him. He has ties to the biggest streamers in the world like Pokemane, Valkyrie (I don't care about spelling her name right) and Ethan Klein. I would argue Hasan has done more to make people anti Ukraine then Russia Today or Sputnik.
Also my issue with Hasan is that he never really admitted he was wrong in a super genuine way or apologized. I feel like he only did the bare minimum to backpeddle because he anticipated the American left supporting Russia more then they ended up doing. I honestly would respect him more if he just stuck to his guns and said what he clearly thinks. At best he doesn't care about Ukraine and at worst he hates Ukraine.
He straight up said " I don't care about Ukrainian sovereignty" and that Turkey deserves Crimea more then Ukraine.
Hasan does not understand politics because he is lazy / incapable of analyzing complex subjects, he should stick to watching lolcow videos
Unfortunately, people stick to watch him because he is handsome, I can give him that
Wait...wtf does the conflict in Ukraine have to do with Ketanji Brown Jackson's nomination on the U.S.'s Supreme Court? Jordy's making even less sense than usual here...and that's effin' saying something. Well, dunna what I was expecting from the guy who was screeching on Twitter that some public bathroom in Canada had a sign asking people to use fewer paper towels... 😂😂😂
Peterson is losing his mind and should get help.
I'm not sure that bit was terribly well thought out. But from your knee jerk reaction I get you're a hate watcher of Lonerbox?
@@afluffywhitekitty8589 LOL, what? No, where did you get that impression? I like LonerBox, I was simply making fun of Jordy and his insane takes.
The benzos fried his brain.
@@madsgrams2069 Oh sorry, I figured Jordy was lonerboxes actual name... ignore me
The thing about the Ukrainian “bioweapons” is always so funny to me. First of all most hospitals have a lab for dangerous pathogens so they can do research on them. Secondly, maybe researching these pathogens is a good idea considering your schizophrenic neighbor has a widely publicized and pervasive bioweapons stockpile and has gone to the lengths of threatening WMDs. The thing about “well America has bioweapons too” is also dumb because we have done more to dismantle our stockpile over the years than to expand it.
"we have our special Russian truth...", the phrase is truly self-explanatory... no more questions
I kinda do hate Hassan tbh.
Same. When LonerBox says "we", I'm assuming he can't mean any group I belong to lol.
He was probably just referring to the "Breadtube" hivemind.
Excuse me,Haz prefers to be named as the Kremlin Gremlin.
ak four foot seven
Lex actually did bait Tweeterson 😂😂😂
tweeterson nice
For as much respect as I've lost for lex being kind of a pawn for that crowd... if that's what really happened, more power to him
Cheers from Zaporizhzhya! Everything you said is spot-on. A little word about ethnic russians in Ukraine: a lot of people in Ukraine were born in russia (and I'm not talking about 150 thousand good russians) I got some of my friends who are ethnic russians saying that they are sorry and ashamed of their homeland while both of us being bombed and sitting in a bomb shelter. What I'm getting at is if your first reaction to any syren Yobana Rusnya, you are Ukrainian. And yeah, and after speaking with these people, there ain't no ethnic russians in Ukraine :)
@Qatre Smokoza Dziękuję! Polska = 1 love , wygramy wszyscy razem i wreszcie będziemy żyć w pokoju i spokoju. kiedy wojna się skończy, koniecznie przyjedźcie na wycieczkę po Ukrainie, mamy kilka fajnych miejsc. (przepraszam za mój język polski, uczę się, ale długa droga przede mną)
Bro you need to set up claymores in front of your house and arm it up crazy right-lib 🦾 style in case the ATF I mean the Wagner tries to invade Zaphoronyia.
@@MegrelMamba Mate , unfortunately all I have personally is 2 molotovs , .22 rifle , a kitchen knife and a massive ego :) but I wonna bet for at least 1/2 k/d ratio
@@handsomejamesgrandinternet2106low score do better
@@MegrelMamba one year later and Wagner does not exist anymore, hehe
I also loved how Noam Chomsky and Henry Kissinger agreed on this topic.
Oh Noam "The west is under a totalitarian rule worse than the Soviet Union because I can't watch Lavrov on RT on cable" Chomsky. Who could ever forget?
Chosmky is what happens when somebody lives inside a tiny bubble their whole life after leaving student politics
Chomsky is an idealist on foreign policy when it comes to the US but then when it comes to the enemies of US hegemony he rapidly turns into a realist talking about how states have a natural desire to have defensive buffers, something which he would rightly call an imperialist front for establing spheres of influence if the US was the country in question.
Yeah it's a good thing we have this dumbass UA-camr to help us out and show us the true way to do things. 😌
Also by this logic you and lonerbox agree and are on the same side as the Azov Battalion. You should go back to eating paint chips.
Russia is a neo-imperialist power without the actual strength to be any kind of imperialist power.
half of the population does not even have a water closet in their home and shits outside
That bit about Ben Shapiro refuting the Biolabs conspiracy theory caught me off guard so hard lmao
When Ben Shapiro redemption arc 😳
the truly weird bit about ben is like every now and then, very rarely, he has a sane, reasonable take. he was also one of the few of his ilk that rightly criticized jan 6 as what it was, a criminal insurrection. he's still a terrible person, but he's surprisingly slightly less of an invertebrate than the rest of his kind.
He just doesn't like Biden not Ukraine
Ben Shapiro is a supporter of Ukraine. He claimed conseratives that support Russia thinking that it's a traditional religious country are stupid, since Russia loves to crack down on Christian churches. He also criticized conseratives for making fun of the way Zelensky was dressed in camo clothe when he met with Biden.
@@Coliflower185 Ben Shapiro reminds me a lot of Bill O'Reilly: generally a loathsome personality and someone I disagree with 95% of the time, but he is genuinely presenting *his* beliefs rather than insincerely selling someone else's agenda.
Jordan Peterson is insane
water is wet
If he has a pulse, and isn’t in a coma, then yes, completely bonkers!
meanwhile you believe everyone that says from the start of this war ''urkaine is super duper winning!'' yet here we are a year later nothing has changed, winning so hard bruh!
@@yourealittlebitfat4344 Ok I'm gonna need you to step back for a minute and think about what you just said. If a country invades another country and "Nothing has changed" a year later then the invading country sure as hell ain't winning
@@yourealittlebitfat4344 bruh, everyone was saying it'd be over in like 3 days with Russia winning at the start of this
Hasan's weird acts of defending Non-Western countries when they do a little bit of colonialism makes me curious if he's going to snap at one point and start defending or outright denying some of the nasty stuff Turkey has done using those exact same arguments
Yeah it is easy to blame all the world problems on europeans, especially since they did so much horrible shit, but it can also serve as a sort of scapegoat, I’m not white so I’m good, when in fact all countries have the same problems, all countries are racist af, oppressive, etc.
China when it annexes the south pacific: "OMG YAS QING SLAYYYYYY!"
He already does he described the kurds as "a roving band of militias that fight Americas wars for them"
God, Foreign Policy Hasan is one of the dumbest fucks. Which is frustrating, because he's got a good grasp on the domestic problems America is facing
No he won‘t, plus he is very clearly denouncing Russia.
The only part he directly disagrees with is that pre-Annexation Crimea should remain with Ukraine, mostly because a majority of the Crimean population also did not want this.
Imagine announcing a 1-2 week operation and ending up starting a full out war which may result into a total collapse of your country.
Yeah that's Ukraine. You Westerners are on copum all the time. Ukraine suffered so many casualties.
@@night_wolf9734 15 rubles have been transferred to your account
@night_wolf9734 you westerners are on copium🤓 how many russian troops in odeesa, kherson kyiv? Oh yes 0.
@@night_wolf9734 Kyiv in 3 days?
@@mikev9 You're must be 12 years old
"I'm not lying, I'm telling alternate truths!"
- Donald Trump (paraphrased) summarizing the Russian as well as his own media strategy
Rodger waters hurts. But knowing his age makes the mindset sliiiiiightly more understandable
Ya know, it really freaks me out how successful that whole "make them think everything is relative" has been. I mean if you take a look at the U.S. conservative base right now, you'll see that the very people that have traditionally always believed in an "absolute truth" (that being the 'word of god'), that an objective reality exists... have now been totally convinced by moral relativism! That's kinda crazy to me. I mean I don't think it's literally all the Russians doing.. many politicians here in our own country have realized it's value too (Donald Trump and "fake news" being the most obvious example). I think the existence and prevalence of the internet makes it a lot harder too. Human beings weren't designed to handle such a constant stream of data, ya know? We just don't have the bandwidth to handle being bombarded with so much contradictory information constantly, and eventually people just kinda shut down. I mean I'd bet I'm more well-read on stuff than 90% of people, and I know I can't do it, so I'd imagine that there are very few people that can. And if a person is scared, confused, and doesn't quite know what's going on in a rapidly changing world, they're liable to be manipulated into all sorts of different "brands" of truth. Idk how we're ever going to fix this shit 😶
none of this is new and it's been overcome a million times before. it's a 3rd graders way of trying to win arguments
American here too, this is absolutely pathetic for the Russians. They can’t face Ukraine on the battlefield so they’re on social media pretending to be westerners to spread misinformation. And some, some not all, of our compatriots fall for it. Don’t worry though, none of this matters, once Russia is lost it will all be made clear.
It's an infinite struggle. ⚖️
Do you fucking not understand that Russia has its own interests that are not dependent on your wishes?
Little personal experience for those interested
Couple of months ago, I made a post on Tumblr lamenting about self proclaimed leftists that were on Russia side
A guy commented that actually, it is a progressive thing and non imperial thing that Russia is doing *check notes* imperialism cause this "operation" was detrimental to the USA imperialism
Replied to his comment, a conversation started, after the 3rd reply by him I decided that it's useless to talk to a wall
I’m not pro-Russia, but it should be noted that what they’re doing is *not* imperialism. Remember: imperialism is a system, not an action or moral judgment. The US invading a country isn’t imperialist, the US’s entire economy relying on resource extraction from the global south is imperialism.
Russia’s economy doesn’t rely on resource extraction from other countries (though it certainly would like for this to be the case).
Semantics, sure, but words do need to mean something.
I didnt know helping regions that contain your ethnic group when they are shelled daily means imperialism.
Imperialism does not refer to internal colonisation. Sure, there’s something to be said about Siberia being integrated into Russian territory, though that happened a long time ago, I’m sure people are fairly indifferent today (literally 500 years ago). Also calling something an empire tends to be an arbitrary value judgment too. Russia’s not really an empire anymore. The vast majority of Russian conquest happened centuries ago, I think most would consider those territories integrated at this point. You can certainly point to Crimea as an example of a recent conquest though, and I wouldn’t disagree. Ukraine would be similar.
An empire is a bunch of conquested nations being ruled by a central nation (you know, how the entire west operated in the 1900’s).
Now, there’s not a single Russian corporation in the top 100 by foreign investments. There’s one Russian bank in the top 100 banks in the world by asset ownership. And Russian corporations collective assets are nothing compared to that of even Germany, much less the US.
Also keep in mind that the West immediately froze Russian assets, something that couldn’t happen to the West who happens to control the world’s finance infrastructure.
This is not a country that gets its power and raw materials from abroad. This is a country that can only get these internally. If Russia seizes Ukraine, it certainly takes another step in the imperialist direction, but make no mistake, calling Russia ‘imperialist’ just makes that word mean nothing.
Your focus (at least if you call yourself a socialist) should be class war. The Russian-Ukrainian war hurts workers, who are the ones who actually have to fight in this war. No billionaires from Ukraine nor Russia are going fight on the ground. Sure, we’re no fans of Russia here. But we should be uprooting an entire class of people who are fine with senseless violence at the cost of the working class. And this is where your analysis should lie. In this way, target the oligarchs who run Russia AND we target the oligarchs who run the US (and other capitalist countries but it’s especially bad here in the US). Have some class-consciousness
@@Abulb99 Yes. It’s a communist-driven mindset. You liberals and ‘SocDems’ have nothing to offer the working class but bombs and platitudes.
@@Abulb99 I wouldn’t think so. I think this is just a desperate attempt from Russia to seize some semblance of power, but I would hesitate to say this war is fought on ideological grounds. Russia, Ukraine, and the broader west coalition (EU, Canada, US, Australia) are all capitalist nations. Nobody’s fighting over ideology here
“The truth is relative” is one of the most insanely evil things I’ve ever heard
Like Trump, they have "alternative" facts.
It is, as far as humans are concerned.
its both relative and objective and you can twist it along with claiming its either of those.
@@getagrip7474 Sort of. You can measure that the temperature is 20 degrees C. That's objectively true. But at the same time, it can be relatively true that one person can feel too hot while another person can feel too cold.
The problem comes when someone ignores that nuance and believes that any and all truth can be relative. If we measure the temperature at 20 degrees C, and we all agree that the measuring device is working properly, but someone still says, "No. The truth is that it's 30 degrees C", they're not expressing a relative or subjective truth. They are lying.
@@barbaros99 no even here you are wrong. the device in fact may not be working and that person is right. anyway the truth is objective in either case, but in either case someone fails to communicate it truthfully be that the majority and the thermometer or the 1 person. Similarly with victims of assault the victim may be lying or the assaulters may be lying. Some people ware way better at dedecuing the truth, or maybe certain truths in certain situations and other people are better at other truths.
Thank you.
I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson - but first and foremost of his ways to motivate oneself to get out of a rut, a motivational speaker and a psychotherapy practitioner.
The issue is he became so popular that I think it got to him and he now assumes expertise in areas he has little to none in.
Outside of motivational speaking he is batshit crazy. He knows many rethorical methods to make him sound smart, though.
That’s a pretty big flaw.
11:17 fun fact: the partial autonomy - e.i. decentralisation, as per Minsk Agreement 2 - had been applied for all Ukraine's regions that were not occupied by Russia after 2014.
The amnesty for Ukrainian citizens taking part in war still exists. It was one of the points that was implemented One can give up themselves to authorities, and if no war crimes were committed then one is free to go on a parole.
The year old 3 day special military operation...
Kyiv by Easter. Apparently he wasn't too picky on which year.
Who ever said 3 days tho?
@@tjenadonn6158 source?
@Qatre Smokoza when and where? Give a source
@Qatre Smokoza so no source? Not a single example? Not even one?
Jesus
you see, peterson is completely consistent in his point, as the russian authoritarianism is not a compassionate one
but srsly, i think he just wanted to slap a bunch of adjectives together and see if it still makes sense.
I think it somehow reflects the slow degradation of USA internal politics which puts the radical versions of democrats that are required to have an opposite stance on each and every question. The democrats are pro-Ukraine, thus the republicans have to be against it, and Peterson, just so happens, assigned himself to the rep camp
Timothy Snyder's lectures on Ukraine are decent.
Here in germany, it's weird seeing far left-wing goofballs protest along side far right-wing goofballs.
One thing we are sure of: whoever is pro-Russia in this war is a goofball (not to call them something worse).
Because they both authoritrian fascistic scum.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Please watch less Kremlin propaganda. That shit rottens your brain.
Those "leftists" participating in the protests you mention... I keep asking myself in which way they are leftists. Because they don't like the US? Because they kinda enjoyed the GDR but never cared about the political ideology behind it all? How's that leftist?
What unites far-left and far-right?
100 rubles
Great video
Nice to see you here
Dylan POG
Ehh not really
who are u?
It says a lot about American political discourse when a needless war can be politicised to the point where it's a culture war talking point and not the complex situation it actually is
That’s how I feel too. The right (especially the MAGA faction) has trivialized the horrors in Ukraine down to their idiotic culture war. Like if you support Ukraine, then that must somehow mean you support the notion of drag Queen story telling for Ukrainian children.
The problem is that liberal NATO supporters are the ones oversimplifying the conflict, not leftists. There was an 8 year long civil war along with a multi decade long ethnic, generational and cultural conflict between East and West Ukrainians. All of them have legitimate grievances, but American liberals just think everyone in Ukraine just loves the west and hates Russia and Russia just randomly attacked one day while the US decided to step in and defend democracy. That's massive propaganda and oversimplification.
But my favorite youtuber told me Putin is Thanos
I wasn't aware that this "Haz" person existed before this. So thanks for that...
....And your life was in no way improved, in knowing of his existence.
Thanks for the video, the fact that people like Jackson are profiting of the deaths of innocent people buy selling 'Z' merch is disgusting.
Oh dear he's snatching the profits from the democracy loving americunt weapons companies 😂😂😂
Thank you for covering that issue!
I'm a lifelong leftist who never had any love for the USSR or Cuba, two places many of my fellow American leftists loooove to fetishize. It's sad to see that that kind of auto-pilot attitude is still in evidence. If you asked these same people if Hitler should've been fought, they'd unhesitatingly answer yes. My question then would be: did you think that the Allied countries were a bunch of good guys wearing white hats? Of course not: you had Britain and France, two nations who still had brutal, virulently racist colonial empires (not to mention the Netherlands and Belgium, though they were occupied), plus of course the US, an apartheid state whose armed forces were fully segregated. And that's not even mentioning Stalin. Should opposition to those things have translated to: well, we're not exactly good guys ourselves, so we should just let Hitler gobble up whatever parts of Europe he wants? Because it seems like that's what some people actually believe when it comes to Ukraine.
You made me watch Jordan Peterson. I can’t forgive you for this
I have mostly managed to avoid him, but whenever I do come across him it baffles me that people hold him up as smart. He's just using long words, terms that have no relevance to the discussion and fancy sounding quotes to appear smart. Truly the idiots genius.
He has some good things to say, unlike people like Hasan. Bro loses every argument that he’s in.
@@Ludovicus1769Which good things lmao?
@@Ludovicus1769 buddy if you need an internet personality to tell you obvious shit like to make your own bed and that substantially affects your life, you've really got issues
@@houseplant1016 literally nothing Lmao dude is a grade A bullshiter lol
What Sci-Fi dystopia does Haz live in that he thinks you can create a bioweapon that can target specifically Russians?!
Makes you wonder if he believes in any weird "race science" if he thinks Russians are so genetically distinct
the qAnon dystopia I guess
> we now for a certified fact Ukraine has multiple biolabs
> we also know the coup in 2014 was backed by the cia
🤭
@@drksideofthewal really good point!
@@itnotmeitu3896 "for a fact" 🤡
It's sad that a war can have such conflicting opinions.
Badum-tss
@@FilAnd01 🤣🤣🤣 I didn't even realize.
All wars have conflicting opinions, thats why they turn into wars...
@@thatgoshdarnblep2726 Gentlemen! You can’t fight in here. This is the War Room! ☢️
The worst part about Dugin is that he wasn't in the car
bravo alpha sierra echo delta
The biolabs story was the more stunning for us, Ukrainians, because of the other thesis that russians were throwing into the media, that were even more outlandish. On this channel you search for real life possibilities and what can be done, but on the russian TV shows they were actually talking about some genetical weapons being produced in those secret bio-labs that would be carried by the pigeons or other birds to attach exclusively russian people and make them infertile. At the same time, the same TV shows would spit propaganda: "Ukraine is russia and Ukrainians are russians are the same people". And even if you asked any z-patriot how is that possible - why this moment you say that ukrainians are russian and other they are not - they would just scream at you, say you are stupid and you don't understand how those bloody americans manipulated your oppinion.
Am glad I found this channel. The calm, poised and detailed analysis is just amazing. It's just a pity that such great videos can only be made once per month an not more due to the amount of work it requires. But what this channel has done is already amazing. Thank you!
The rendition of "Kalyna" in the end credits is heart-rending. Is that you on the Piano?
Probably, Lonerbox is a pretty good musician
Lonerbox played and recorded his own instruments, not to mention he's pretty good at Pro Tools.
When it comes to making excises for Russia’s aggression these guys barely Putin the effort.
I wanted to make a pun too - but I’m just too angry and tired of Vatniks, so this is just me acknowledging yours!
Good job
Jordon Peterson has become very patchy since he transformed himself into the Sage-About-Everything.
He was patchy since 2016. His whole identity was built off refuting a Canadian bill to recognise transphobia as a hate crime and spinning it into free speech somehow
8:10 There is wisdom in not offering advice or commentary in areas of blatant ignorance. That advice flew over the narcissist head of our good friend from Canada.
If Jordie only offered advice in areas he has expertise he'd only ever talk about where to get benzos on the cheap.
Haz making the "Russian DNA targetting" claim while otherwise always claiming/parroting that "Ukrainians" don't exist, because the ARE (the same as) Russians in every sense, apart from Lenin drawing a line on a map (i.e. culturall, ethnically and GENETICALLY) has me rolling every time.
what? no we aren't 🤦♀
Honey, Lenin is the scum which forced USSR on us and culturally we're more sophisticated that ruzzian cattle. Most of people outside moscow seem to not know what toilet is.
It's funny to think of the ego that guy from Pink Floyd must have to think he can write some letters and fix the war.
I am really surprised Jimmy Dore didn't make the list
Putting Jimmy Dore in a top 5 list makes him sound a lot more interesting than he is
You may not like a Russia, China, Brazilian State etc but the ability to think critically & independently in the West has disappeared. You need to step out of your comfort zones, travel a little & expose yourselves to people that do real journalism, listen to people who risk their lives and careers to speak & write truth to power.
Lol
2:43 I don't even like the term "Russia-Ukraine war." It's the Russian war on Ukraine.
Criminally and perennially underrated channel. Thank you for all your hard work. I always drop everything I'm doing when you upload.
He just repetaed the same propaganda every pro-ukranian channel does. I mean "taking back Crimea is on the table" how? Everybody keeps repeating that. Its propaganda. Saying so doesnt make it possible or true. I can watch 50 channels saying the same things but they are just repeating nonsense.
Why? Neolib analysis of Ukraine is so boring, you can find it literally anywhere on mainstream media if you just want to be spoon fed the “America good, Russia bad” analysis
@@josemengelez6947 based
@@josemengelez6947 commies living in their moms basements complaining about landlords 🤭💀
@@attilamarics3374 Oh shut up, he's disproving Russian propaganda. Go collect your Kremlin salary.
You forgot the ukrainian did not recapture the land. The russian left because they had a peace negatation in istanbul.
can you tell me the points of this fantasy: Leave Kyiv -"istanbul" treaty
@@FunkySpaceLord each grown up person should be able to find it at its own . Try Google !
@@bettiromani2912 Yeah they left. This plane of existence.
hasans inital takes were so bad, and he doubled down until he was forced to accept reality. idk i try to like the guy but man
He did apologized and felt bad (sincerely) about it ?. What more can he do?
@@kattodoggo3868 deport him to Turkey?
Well, the ability to finally accept he was wrong is at least a redeeming factor!
Changing opinions isn’t always the easiest - and this war has forced a lot of people to change opinions, or rather, realise that there are exceptions!
A lot of people who oppose war and has always opposed war, now have to accept that this war is different - it’s a war of defense, and the only true anti-war position is to say that Russian aggressions should never be respected or rewarded!
except he learned nothing about it - other than "be right 98% of the time, but they lever let you down for the other 2%" (he said exactly this reasutly in a video that had nothing to do with him being wrong about anything) - he is STILL an "American Bad!" leftists. So, why should him saying anything about "oops sorry - I guess they ARE bad" mean anything?
@@gorillaguerillaDK thank you
You can add Kyle Kulinski to the list with his take that NATO shouldn't include East European countries.
9:12 "Fun, fun, fun".
My late grandmother born in 1922 (may she rest in peace) told me that in 1930th they ate soup made from onion shells and leaves from trees. I wish the scumbag Jordan Peterson would experience it himself
As a Ukrainian, I will keep updating this comment. Edit 1: The tier list in 4:22 I will go over that for a bit. Crimean Tatars make sense since they lived in a half of Crimea, the other half belonged to the Kievan Rus (Ukraine), The democratic republic of Turkey never lived in Crimea, maybe Hasan was referring to the Ottoman Empire, but it still doesn't make sense since the Ottoman Empire (as far as I am aware) never stepped foot on Crimea. Greece also the same as turkey, the only form of Greece that might have ruled Crimea were the ancient Greek who were the first to move to the territories of Ukraine (the name the ancient Greek gave to the lands near the Dnipro river) but again they are called ancient for a reason. So, in my opinion, the people who should rule Crimea are : Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars. Edit 2: About the cultural war, it is understandable and is real since, fun fact! Russia (back when it was the Russian Empire) spent 9 years re-writing the history books of Russia and especially... Ukraine and the Kievan Rus to the point where people believe we weren't called the Kievan Rus but perhaps the Kevin Ukraine since it is slightly confirmed that the Russian Empire made up the fact that we had a "Rus" in our name to make it seem like Ukraine is Russia. Edit 3: Is Jordan Pearson blaming the "Голомодор" on Ukraine? For those who don't know "Голомодор" was a time when there was no food in Ukraine and people were dying, my grandfather had 11 siblings in ww2 and only 4 of them survived, and the rest died from hunger. And the thing is, this "Голомодор" was across the entirety of the Soviet Union, not just Ukraine. Edit 4: (probably my last one) This one is about the chemicals, Ukraine is researching chemicals for non-military purposes, guess what Russia started using labs in captured regions for? Chemical weaponry. Guess what they said when people questioned them about it? They said the chemical weapons were Ukrainian... Ukraine never made chemical weapons ever since it became independent in 1991. At the time of writing this, every Ukrainian soldier must have a gas mask because Russians started using mustard gas and other chemical weapons not only on soldiers but also on civilians.
Hasan forgetting that a majority of Crimea voted for independence in 1991. To be fair, it was the area that was the closest at 54% in Crimea and 57% in Sevastopol (which is its own "province"). Crazy how Russia has a right to a place that when put to a vote said it didn't want to be part of Russia. That's despite all the decades of ethnic cleansing and importing Russians to try to legitimize their claim.
Crimean Tatars and Turks? How far do you want to go back then? You can argue that Greeks and Germans have a claim to Crimea via Pricipality of Theodosia. The mental gymnastics of neocons lol
the fact hasan piker said the us deserved 9/11 and still somehow has an audience is astounding
I mean the thing is that when I realised what the ‘Young Turks’ that he’s part of actually refers to, i realised he’s romanticising an imperialist party from the Ottoman Empire. The party that wanted to take back all their territories in the Balkans and Greece. And ones who committed atrocities too. Yet he’s the one who claims to be against imperialism. I mean jesus christ criticise the US for their actions but you can’t justify the deaths of innocent people who have nothing to do with foreign policy
@@GuineaPigEveryday I think the reason they have that named is cause the young turks were to reform the empire and the term is sometimes used to mean young eople whi agitate for change.
@@sylviamontaez3889 The Young Turks were also the leaders who committed the Armenian genocide. To me it's like calling their group the Young Nazis.
"Saying Russia should take back Crimea because it was part of Russia until the 1950s when Ukrainian Soviets gave it to Ukraine is like saying Israel should take all of Palestine because it was part of Israel thousands of years ago" lol
Thank you for helping to bring awareness to the problem of roid rage in social media personalities. This topic gets little to no coverage in the "mainstream media".
Jordan Peterson talks like a satirical version of 2000s video game antagonists