JUDY GARLAND: A GAY ICON DEFENDS HER GAY AUDIENCE, A RARE INTERVIEW.
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2010
- Vintage footage interview with Irv Kupcinet in September 1967. In this tumultuous decade for civil rights, Judy expresses a disdain for attacks that were made against homosexuals, especially her audience. She was always ahead of her time, an advocate for human rights. Her death and funeral, in June 1969, is believed to have inspired the Stonewall riots, the flashpoint for the modern Gay Liberation movement. The Rainbow is the universal symbol for the LGBT community.
The psychology of Judy as a Gay icon is a matter of debate. Personally, I don't think human rights is about psychology ... there is no great mystery to understanding the fundamental need we all have to be treated with dignity & respect, forging the dream to be who we are. Judy understood.
What is particularly interesting about her comments is that Judy described the writer as a lesbian. It seems to me, Judy made the slander of homosexuals a matter for the woman to consider, as an evident self contradiction & perhaps for the writers self-awareness.
The conversation was sparked by Kup's reference to an August magazine article , highlighting Judy's appearance at The Palace.
Here is the excerpt: "Curiously, a disproportionate part of her nightly claque seems to be homosexual. The boys in the tight trousers roll their eyes, tear at their hair and practically levitate from their seats, particularly when Judy sings: If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow,why, oh why can't I?
Psychiatrists offer multiple explanations for the phenomenon. Manhattan's Dr. Leah Schaefer claims that homosexuals gravitate toward superstar because "these are people they can idolize and idealize without getting too close to. In Judy's case," she adds, "the attraction might be made considerably stronger by the fact that she has survived so many problems; homosexuals identify with that kind of hysteria."
Agrees another Manhattan psychiatrist, Dr. Lawrence Hatterer: "Judy was beaten up by life, embattled, and ultimately had to become more masculine. She has the power that homosexuals would like to have, and they attempt to attain it by idolizing her."
Irv Kupcinet (July 31, 1912 November 10, 2003) was an American newspaper columnist and a broadcast personality based in Chicago, Illinois. He was popularly known by the nickname "Kup".
August 2010
Since the date of this posting, there have been many comments that have been interesting, insightful ... differences of opinion, interpretation.
I suppose I could offer words to establish my position, but I prefer not to.
I posted this interview - title & description - exactly the way I wanted to. ... A conversation about A Great Lady, her love for her audience - Gay or not - & the history that will always be a part of our societal growth & experience.
In many ways, with Judy as part of that history, I consider the remarkable changes that have happened ... And I am reminded about how far we still have to go.
I think the comments tell the story of a society that is becoming more enlightened - about Judy & sexual orientation, & the fundamental rights that all of us are born to.
Interspersed with the Light will always be shadows - comments, ways of thinking, manners of approach - that still tell the story of where we are not ...
I already know the truth about Judy ... her views ... her life experiences in the Gay Community.
Anyone who knows about Judy also knows these things.
There is no great mystery here... nothing new under the sun ... But perhaps the sun is a little brighter than it used to be ... Hopefully to get even brighter.
Judy lived & performed in a bright light.
xoxoMichelexoxo
/ michelebell1
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"I'll be damned if my audience is mistreated" That's a fucking star
That heart my heart... I feel like that was her reaching out. She was the original Britney Spears. Drugged up and forced to perform. It hurts my soul that we keep doing this to amazing people
@@gwland you mean Brittany Spears was sort of like Judy. In some odd way....Judy was and still is classic .
Why did you have to swear? Pathetic!
@Denise Higgins So what's the difference between two years and two weeks, are you now not TROLLING me tardy? LMMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@TheKonga88 there's nothing wrong with swearing lmao
It is so painful to hear her say she was scared of her mother. I wish she had a less difficult life. She deserved a less difficult life.
onegirlrev yes !!!
Her husband being gay might have affected her... not defending her though
I feel the same way
I never saw this but, . . Wow. Her father was gay as well. If I remember right they had to move because he was being accused of a relationship with a preteen boy. That’s all you had to do back then, leave town. She was a queen surrounded by queens from day one.
I'm crying right now. She needs a great life to show her great grandkids you what u mean.
She used to reference her mother as “the real witch of the west”
I understand her words when she said that
In the movie, wizard of oz ,Auntie Emm would take care of her. The story doesn't say what happened to her mother, but I had my thoughts that a witch was her mother, and just gave her up. The witch of the West might have been her mother.
@@rolandreyna215 Smart lady u r so correct.... only the 3rd eye
“They’ll pay you a thousand bucks for a kiss but fifty cents for your soul” - Marilyn Monroe talking about Hollywood
Judy Garland was undoubtedly one of the best performers of all time, singer, dancer, actor, television personality and more. It’s so heart wrenching to see her like this, at such a young age she was drugged, abused and mistreated by so many Hollywood Elites and broken down in order to keep her in line. I really do believe Judy Garland and Marilyn Monroe were one of the most powerful people to ever grace a stage.
❤🎯👍
One?
Marilyn was a male!
@@thinkmirror8507 You're talking about the English singer from the 80s.
@@peztopher7297 If you mean Marilyn Manson, he's American.
What a shame that this woman couldn't enjoy the rewards of all her hard work in a longer life.
Rob Williams what happened to her?
internetuser she died from an overdose of sleeping pills
With all her setbacks in life, both her daughters have repeatedly stated that contary to popular belief she loved life and was one of the most joyful persons you could ever met. Love you Judy!
Rob Williams - not only she died young but in reality she was broke living of the goodwill of friends. Her ex husband Sid luft cleaned her bank account and left Judy penniless.
C Lee - are you serious? What kind of person do something like that.. well Sid Luft did, wow can't believe he still profits out of her misery. I know her daughter Lorna wrote a book painting Sid as a nice protective husband but all was bs, you know it's easy to talk about someone who is dead. I pray Judy found peace. Thanks for the info.
This is so painful to watch. That woman was taken terrible advantage of by many people in her life and by this point you can see the result. Just infuriating.
xrcrx ftfghjg sadly lots of people use alcohol as means to cope.
xrcrx ftfghjg they did force her onto uppers, filming the wizard of oz and the downers to bring her back again
Neil Power True, the studio introduced her to uppers. But alcohol was her own choice. Which is why hardcore fans have no problem mentioning her drug addiction, but deny her alcoholism.
Alcoholism IS drug addiction. Since when was alcohol not a drug?
I guess that to really understand why she would "choose" alcohol, you'd have to subject yourself to what she went through. Then, ask yourself if it was a choice, or if it was the only way you could cope with a terrible reality.
that's show biz for you...
I cried when she talked about teens and children being her fans. I'm 16 and she is my literal idol
As a 13 year old I can agree fully 😭✋
I WAS OBSESSED WITH HER WHEN I WAS LIKE 11 AND A FEW WEEKS AGO I LISTENED TO ONE OF HER SONGS AND NOW IM OBSESSED AGAIN 😭😭im tryna watch all her movies now
@@sarahfivetimes some of them are really good but some of them are really boring BAHA
@@ronan8757 yes i watch babes on broadway a few days ago and the only parts i cared about where when she was singing 😖😖✋
@mika williams mika what if i started a judy garland religion?
This is hard to watch and listen to! She's virtually lifeless, slurring, exhausted and basically checked out. So of course she looks/sounds way older than mid-late 40s! :-(
@Donna di Lode wtf
@Donna di Lode Why do you think Garland was trans? Where did you hear that?
She's high. Not trans. Qanon bullshit has got to stop.
The interviewer is trying to pull her along but he is missing an opportunity to let her open up more.
@Donna di Lode You heard it from somewhere, where???? Source?
"but I'll be damned if I would like to have my audience mistreated" . . . enough said, moving on.
+Dan Williams Exactly! Considering the times I'm sure it made her a little uncomfortable being asked that question in reference to major magazine article. Also it's important to keep in mind that she married a closet case as was her father. I could be wrong but if I'm not mistaken, later in life, she questioned her father's sexuality... wanted to know if the "rumors" were true and she was told that he wasn't gay which just added to the confusion.
You are so right. However, people fail to consider the times, or have no idea what life was like during those times.
Michael Skiles it was illegal to admit you were homosexual until well into the 60s.
We could use this a lot today. "I'll be damned if I would like my son mistreated. My daughter. My friend. My employee. My neighbor."
As much as she was my favorite performer of all time, this quote makes me think of the many times she showed up an hour or more late to her performances, didn't show up at all, or worse- her Baltimore show is right here on youtube- showed up bombed out of her mind. It happened in Melbourne, London, and many American cities. If that's not mistreating her audience, I don't know what is. A complex, multiple personality, she often loved her audience and knew she owed her career to it, but at other times had a casual, even contemptuous attitude toward it.
"I'll be damned if I have have my audience mistreated".
What more could she say in the 60s - she was way out in front of us gays then! You go Judy. RIP
Except that she's saying that to call her audience homosexuals is to mistreat them. She means "don't you dare say that they're gay!" Implying that being gay is bad.
And THEN, she says she's annoyed at the rudeness of the reporter who asked that question, and "insults" her back by implying that she was a lesbian.
I don't necessarily think she was a homophobe, most people seem to think she was pretty tolerant (and it would have been a career-ender for her to publicly defend gay people), but I don't think this clip is an example of her defending gay people!
@@jp9707 She meant the demeaning use of the word. She didn't want her fans to face the judgment she had.
Ummm she is saying that someone calling her audience gay is insulting them
@@Johnny-Joseph You're right. It's that simple. Judy didn't use any big words here. How could anyone get it wrong?
@@jp9707 gey pp dont need special treatment or anything they are adults and secuality is something that should be private, not public.pp dont have education or manners but this stuff should never be made public
She was abused so badly.Sorry life failed you ma'am!I do hope she's in a good place now RIP Ms.Garland
McDonogh Rahloh So Sad indeed 😞
Ivelisse Cruz 😢Thanx for the reply!
The human condition is tragic. I hope this physical world, that was so unkind to her, wasn't the end of her experience.
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As "a friend of dorothy" I swear to god she stands up and applauds everytime I hold my fiance close 🥺
Excuse me, but the country never said "homosexual" without revulsion and the word "sick." Judy what was what, was cautious in her wording, and spoke of loving all of her fans. She was a brave woman who endured multiple betrayals, yet she knew what real love was.
I lived around the corner from The Stonewall and there was a great lament everywhere over the loss of this beloved singer because gay guys had also suffered betrayal by family and friend, police and governmental laws,,,
Judy loved us because she knew,
we knew she knew,
and she sang her heart out for everyone who loves and struggles.
And BTW, substance use or abuse may change the brain but it does not change the love in the heart.
James Robiscoe yes blessed it be
James Robiscoe yes bless it be you can hear the emotion of srtuggle rejection and need to set victory in her music shes magical
Jim I loved your comment! God bless!
Very well said. Thank you for sharing!
you’re excused.
Bless her heart - she is very sedated here!
if it was very noticeable u.u poor Judy , I love her
Ben Crowley yes she talked slowly, but anyway very smart answers.
She was an alcoholic and used drugs. It was a known fact she had to drink before interviews.
Tavon Fenwick it’s a given that she was hopped up on pills. I’d be more surprised if she didn’t sound dazed.
To me it seems she is walking on eggshells and very aware of how they can twist her words.
Thank goodness she had children to love and be loved in return. She is a gem. 🌈
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God, she was lovely. She comes across as a very descent person in this clip,
Correct your spelling asap!
Thank you Perry. It should read..decent..of course. I remember my mother having admired her & having sympathy for her also. It wasn’t overtly shown by my mother but I detected it.
@@medjfootball I should talk: I just wrote "god shape"! I lived through much of her demise and, yes, my parents too were much concerned! I remember when she died: I was walking in Times Square and the NY Times Building (which was in those days actually in Times Square) and seeing the illuminated news flashing her death and feeling shocked and sad!
Judy's father was gay, Judy was frequently involved or married to gay men, Vincent Minnelli, Tyrone Power, etc., same with Liza. She had certainly been around it her whole life, it's just that society was finally catching up to a fact of life well known to Judy. Today it might be commented on in passing like Cher, Bette Midler, Streisand, all gay icons. But as Bette Davis said, "if the gay community likes you, you know your the best, they have great taste ."
Neil Dickson gays that came out in 1986, you mean...
@@mayaa5048 AND Hollywood has been full of gays forever.
Maya A LOL
Tyrone Power left illegitimate kids all over the country & out of it. Some gay he was lol! Keep the mythmaking. The truth is too strong.
@Donna di Lode Your reply is incredibly involved, and extremely sick. Total load of BS!
The poor woman was famous before she ever learned how to live. Addiction is a horrible, lonely way to die. Sometimes when I'm watching these old interviews I find myself wishing we could reach into the screen and save her from herself. She was so loved and so talented, but I'm not sure she felt it.
If only average women were defended like this during their addictions???
She was famous, had wealth, and many chances beyond that of the regular woman. She even had support from fans. She never learned because she never lost it all.
dannette davis Garland didn't "have wealth", particularly toward the end of her life. Her finances were mishandled by crooks who fleeced her out of her earnings. Just because she was famous doesn't mean she was fortunate in any way; fame is an illusory phenomenon that essentially means little of value to one's sense of self or 'spirit'. You infer that Garland has special treatment for her addiction, in term of sympathy. Alas, she was fallible just like any other woman and her status as an 'icon' did little to protect her from abuse, either towards her self or from others.
Thought that many times. Also wish sometimes that I could go back in time and save Marilyn Monroe. But then I ask....would they have been such icons if they had aged publicly? Greta Garbo handled it by becoming a recluse. Meryl Streep is the one who has managed her career better than all the other superstars put together.
She probably didn't because she was never in a position to consider it through her mistreatment
Ida Delucia She was defended because it wasn’t her fault she was addicted. It was her mother and MGM studios who pumped her full of drugs at very young ages to keep her awake.
I'm 99% sure that when she says I'll be damned to see my audience mistreated, she means she doesn't want them slandered as homosexuals. I'm gay. And I love Judy, but people are doing exactly what she said in the video and misquoting her and trying to see something that isn't there.
This is 100% what I hear in it. Now I'll hold on. she probably is a great ally, we'll take the word of the older gays who love her! But this isn't a defense of it! 😂
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its 1967...black americans aren't treated as equal, MLK would be shot the following year, and dozens were being lynched. Being gay was "worse" than being black. its 1967 again. she is standing up for all her fans in the best way she can. She couldve easily condemned gay people, like 90+ of Americans did in the 60s.
She was distancing herself from the lgbtq crowd. She quickly replied she has all types of people in her audience
That’s how I heard it too! (I’m bi) I kept re-listening to see if I was missing something but I didn’t here anything except for what you said, her immediate response when he brought up the article was “egh ugh” and then her awkward description of her interviewer.
How are people taking this as her defending lgbtq+!?
This absolutely breaks my heart. Judy was obviously under the influence, yet was able to answer that loaded question as best she could!! God bless her. She’s long been at peace. 🌟
Except that she's saying that to call her audience homosexuals is to mistreat them. She means "don't you dare say that they're gay!" Implying that being gay is bad.
And THEN, she says she's annoyed at the rudeness of the reporter who asked that question, and "insults" her back by implying that she was a lesbian.
I don't necessarily think she was a homophobe, most people seem to think she was pretty tolerant (and it would have been a career-ender for her to publicly defend gay people), but I don't think this clip is an example of her defending gay people! It would have been better if she'd found a way to brush the question off rather than throwing gay people under the bus.
Some pretty ridiculous comments here from people can't can't help but look at history through modern eyes.
She's talking at a time when it was actually _illegal_ for two men to have sex and when gay people were considered no better than paedophiles (in fact, paedophiles often got an easier ride back then). Most people would have completely washed their hands of their gay audience; in historical context, what she was saying was brave.
you got it entirely right, gay activists make WAY too much out of Judy Garland's supposed "gay friendliness" at best, she, like all entertainers at the time, accepted that homosexuality was a part of show business, Miss Garland had at least one, if not two gay husbands, those marriages ended in divorce, hardly "gay friendly"
Greg Rak And what if the marriages went bad... the guys turned out to be assholes? Or harmful to her or her career, etc? There can be many reasons to end a marriage. It doesn't have to be just because you find out the person is gay. And both of them may have been gay because if the person making this vid is correct and she was gay herself, the marriages may have been of convenience to begin with. I'm just offering up other perspectives to think of. Not everything has one way of looking at it. (or maybe that's not what the title meant by her being a gay icon. i assumed the video poster meant that Judy herself was gay. but whatever, my point still stands.)
not likely, the marriages ended because the guys were gay and couldn't give the passion she needed,for most women, being married to a gay man is like being married to their mother
And Joan Crawford was actively defending gay friends back in the late 20's and then using her star power in the 30's to try and save their careers by issuing ultimatums using her career as leverage. And we all know how much she valued her career. She in fact valued certain friendships more. If there is a bar to be set for "gay icons" there are much better examples.
It's actually kind of troubling how often Joan Crawford is *the* example and how she continues to be overlooked, even after Feud. I dont know if it is ignorance, which I can understand because her true glory days were in the last of the silver age and beginning of the golden age, or hatred because of her daughter's highly questionable book.
And for that matter where are the mentions for the leading men in hollywood who would defend gays and black actors? Clark Gable routinely did that. Female gossip columnists parlayed that into rumors of him being gay. That hurt his career for a time.
Greg Rak I so get that.
I've seen this interview before. I also do not think she strictly defends homosexual, in fact she seems uncomfortable talking about it. The thing is she was living in a totally different era, and for a woman already struggling with her career and in serious debt; to have openly supported something illegal and considered depraved at the time could have been a total death sentence on her already tattered career. She had already been in trouble in the press for apparently attending gay bars with friends, which she kind of mutters about in this video as being 'misquoted in the press'.
However, aside from this video were Judy clearly was trying to evade saying much on the subject. Judy's father Frank Gumm was a closeted homosexual; Vincent Minelli, her former husband was known to like men and women; and Judy had many gay friends which she would have inevitably bumped into in theatre and show business. And as previously mentioned Judy was known to visit gay bars. So privately, she was a gay friendly woman, but in public she avoided it at all costs, because it was just not something you could talk about.
+Mikey Dunne I have gone to gay bars with friends from work (some gay and some not), but that doesn't make me gay. I'm totally straight.
I didn't say she was gay, I said she was 'gay friendly', as in she accepted people she knew who were gay and didn't have anything against it but that doesn't mean that she would have defended it so publicly at this stage of her career when she was already struggling and being criticised.
I'm also not saying it's a good thing but those were the times.
+Mikey Dunne Isn´t it amazing how people very often misunderstand what the issue about being gay is - and what it´s not? Especially in a large country that describes itself as the oldest democracy in the world (which is, by the way, more funny than true), where people cannot live as they want to live. So maybe the "newer" democracies learnt from the older ones and show us how it works. And MAYBE the citizens of the United States should just relax a little, put down their weapons, stop killing each other, stop listening to idiots like Trump and just think about how the world could be when we all were a little more relaxed about each other.
+Mikey Dunne True, she was no Liz Taylor who was more openly supportive of gay rights and her gay audience even way back when.
Considering the circumstances, I don't know what else she could have said.
I get it now..but it's unfortunate that she had to hide her true feelings about LGBT people
Sorry, but Hollyweird is responsible for making a mess out of her life!!!
Hollywood is a place....and she could have left. Drugs and poor choices ruined her life.
@@mdooms76 Judy was just a pre-teen, when the powers that be at the movie studio coerced her into taking amphetamines and depressants; so she could perform to their liking. She also had a backstage mother who turned a blind eye, and condoned it. She may have become an alcoholic on her own, to help her cope; but surely there was a lot of outside forces in that place called 'Hollywood' that you speak of, that pushed her to be a drug addict. Btw, don't you have any empathy or sympathy for another person❓
Mostly becuase they stole her money. Capitalism. Hey heh
Never apologize to Hollywood. They suck.
@@moonglow1311 For the "good or bad of it," on the surface it seemed like a "good idea" that was bad. And Judy's mother should have been more forward-thinking about the welfare of her daughter instead of seeing how she could be exploited for the benefit of MGM. First among the "medications" was diet pills. Then there were the "energy pills." There were stories about "vitamin shots" being given to her and Mickey Rooney. Also, there were no labor laws that put limits on the hours minors could be worked. And if you follow the progression of the films, you can start to see the affects on both Judy and Mickey since they started looking older than they really were by the mid to late 1940s. There is a Warner Brothers cartoons, HOLLYWOOD STEPS OUT where Judy and Mickey are caricatured, sitting at a table drinking sodas. Mickey is drawn with a lot of wrinkles when he was supposed to be around 17 or 18 years old at the time.
My heart does break for her. Addiction is a devastating disease. May she rest In peace.
Unfortunately her twin Nancy Pelosi is having pretensions for running the country. It makes me shudder. How about you?
@@stephendise7946 what?
Judy knew she had a large gay following and she had many gay friends, but when she did this interview gay's shunned and hated. She answered the best she could at the time.
That is so true. Her Father and 2 of her husbands(I think) were gay
Andy Mann she slept with women herself didn’t she? She was involved with Kay Thompson
She didn't give a flying f8ck that much of her fan base and her audience were Gay men. She just loved an audience loving her and staying true to her. Very difficult inn1967 to openly champion a gay audience - homosexuality was still illegal afterall so she isn't gonna be shouting too loud as attitudes were so barbaric, she'd of been branded a promoter of homosexuality and I don't think given the state she was in at this stage in her life, she was strong enough to deal with negative attention on a mass scale. The poor woman could hardly articulate. I think the disgruntled look she throws out when the subject comes up speaks volumes about her feelings toward doing down the gays! If she had her wits about her, I reckon we'd of heard her say more on the subject but sadly she was clearly under heavy sedation when this interview was recorded. It's so sad to see her that way. Her eyes once glistened and shine with life and energy and they are almost hollow and they look like they've died before the rest of her did. So so sad.
It is well documented that as a child actor she was given drugs during filming to either keep her awake to work longer or downers to help her relax. Consequently she became addicted through no fault of her own,, in the 1930s and 1940s they didn't have rehab like now. She was an amazing talent it was appalling how the industry destroyed her. It was also known in acting circles that one of her husband, the film producer Vincent Minnelli was a homosexual, in those days sadly you couldn't admit it or your career would be destroyed. Judy Garland was always utterly charming and a true lady.
Very sad
Jessie Jay - Judy was clearly a case of child abuse.
They destoyed her
pokeyoaks86 - absolutely, despite the fact she was always the bread winner of the family.
@@mayaa5048 In my opinion, all child performers are victims of child abuse.
Whenever I see her or think of her I can't help but get filled with sadness and anger. How Hollywood used her up and spit her out. How Hollywood got her hooked on medications. How her husband gambled all their money away. Even when she was a kid how her mother treated her. Rest in peace now angel. All of your pain is gone now. You finally made it somewhere over the rainbow. 😢😭🤧 👼
"I'll be damned if I'd like to have my audience mistreated"
She doesn't like how badly gay people were treated but she couldn't flat out say it because of people's attitude at the time. I wonder what she would of said if she lived longer and was interviewed at a time where it was much safer to support gay rights.
Odd that it takes Judy Garland (who died at my current age) for me to realize that I feared my mother more than I loved her.
Ray Cyst That's a very difficult realization.
I feared my mother as well. She was a fearful person. I was at my dad's funeral several years ago and talking to a woman who used to live next door to us and I made a derogatory comment about my mother and then I apologized to her telling her, "Oh, I'm sorry. I know you were a friend of my mother's." And she looked at me funny and said, "No. Honestly, I was afraid of your mother." !!!!! That was an eye opener coming from someone who was an adult when they knew her!
I would hate to think my children feared me. I think as a mother, if that was the case, then that would make me the greatest failure in my life and theirs. To be feared as a parent is not something to be desired at all, but to always work against
Same here, sweetheart ❤️💜
She did comfort and defend them by 1967 standards!
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When all is said and done, Judy Garland is the greatest performer show business ever had. Period.
Her level of honesty and sincerity is so refreshing even after all these years. Most celebs are phony and dishonest but she tells it like it is. Much respect to this great lady.
DaOrigTruthSeeker ....totally agree with u...she was a very strong and super-talented yun lady ......
I agree!
She'd probably just drank a pint of wine.
@@regretsgalore2786 you try going through all that she's been through, and then judge her.
Imagine if you faced a lifetime of abuse, developed alcoholism as the only way of coping and keeping yourself from ending it all, and then some smug son of a b*tch comes along and makes a snide comment about you.
She seems broken, and by this stage she had been through the mills with everything you could throw at her.
Used and abused by almost everyone close to her😢
Who came here because of Jinkx Monsoon?
I was breaking the law to be an openly practicing homosexual back then. She's not outright announcing that she adores her gay audience but she's covering up for them by stating that her audience is a mix of all.
Yup!
What was it like to be gay back then?
@@thomasdonohue1833 Judy Garland is a Gay Icon, Womanhood Icon, and American Icon and don't disgrace her legacy by using such slurs to describe her fans in her words "I'll be damned if I would like to have my audience mistreated" -Judy Garland
Paul, this is a good eight years after your comment, but I wanted to say thank you for breaking the law and making things better for me as a result. I think in this day and age people don't understand how meaningful it was to have anyone with power or notoriety speak about people like us in a positive tone and the reasons behind her careful wording. I came of age just early enough to get the pleasure of meeting and learning from people of your generation. You are all a special kind of person, and our community is losing something beautiful as you all move on. Thank you for leaving us a better world than the one you found.
People... never forget that this is the great Judy Garland. If she had her career on Broadway instead of Hollywood, she would have been remembered as the greatest Broadway star that ever lived. She was that good. She worked that hard. She was surrounded by powerful people who used her and worked her like a Kentucky mule. No wonder she turned to alcohol. God bless Judy Garland. I hope she is in paradise.
Could it be that she felt guilt for the things that she embraced? The only thing that I've heard from her adoring like minded entertainers is that "She could really belt it out". Yes we loved her when she was young but somewhere she lost her way and hopefully she repented.
Alwey Wong
Repented from what? She was used and abused her whole life. She was not responsible for much of anything. It was probably hard enough for her to just get out of bed most days and yet she got up, got out and made people happy. Not an easy thing for anyone to do.
Alwey Wong repented for what? She was an amazing woman!! Bible thump much?
+Alwey Wong
What the hell did she have to 'repent' for?? You religious types really make me puke with your unsympathetic, narrow minded attitude. How very Christian. She didn't SIN.....she had horrendously pressured childhood, teen and adult years and from the moment that asshole Mayer got his claws into her she was used, abused, demoralised and drugged up to her eyeballs to keep her working and making money for the studio. She is responsible for nothing except being unable to break her terrible addictions. If you have nothing constructive and insightful to say, go take a hike.
She’s a goddamn LEGEND and all of her detractors are forgotten dust.
if there was someone who had the right to write Mommie Dearest, it was Judy Garland
Thank you for posting this very interesting interview. Judy looks so fragile here, like she can snap like a twig any moment. I was glad to hear that she was respectful to all of her fans and audiences and that she really, really loved her kids and would approve of anything they want to do in life.
To think of what this woman had to endure in her life, well it just breaks your heart! :(
Hope you're resting easy now, Judy!
I feel like hugging you Judy !!! You'll always be in our hearts !!! God bless you !!!
The most talented lady in the 20th century. She was a treasure and a gift to the world. RIP sweet Judy.
We can't approach this clip with 21st century ears; what the interviewer did was try to trip her up by bringing up her gay audience. That wasn't done in the 60s, and you can see her brain trying to make sense of what was being asked. From all reports, Judy loved the gay and lesbian audiences that stuck with her, no matter what. Many of her closest friends were gay men, who loved and protected her. Back then, being gay was something to hide, because it could literally cost you your life to be out. Judy was attempting (just how successful she was is debatable) to deflect the interviewer's question to protect her audience; but you have to have lived back then to fully comprehend this, I guess.
You said almost word for word what I was thinking as I thought it was worth trying to clarify for these idiots - thank you. That was the only thing they had back then, pretending that aspect of their lives didn't exist & yes she was very much protective of them. Her dearest friends & confidants were all gay & she like many in show business were the only ones to whom they could be themselves. That was defending back then, to just try & change the subject.
She was confused by anything the reporter asked. She was an older woman.
I used to like her. Only now It is scary to think of the life she lived. She went through so much and I can see in this interview she wasn't well after what she went through.
I learned one thing from Garland and the rest of the gay icons... What's avoidable should be avoided. Most of their obstacles in life were poor decisions.
I meant to say she was an older women who had lived a life where many things were avoidable. It wore her out.
Ida Delucia
She wasn't an "older woman", in the sense I expect you mean when you say so in the context of explaining her inarticulateness and confusion. She was 45.
You are so right here Paul. I young when I saw this interview. I'm not sure if the gays today could possibly understand the heartbreak and confusion and 'closets of the 50's, 60's & even the 70's of being gay in those era's. Even if they read the gay history books, it does not explain the terrible fear of someone finding out you were a homosexual. And that was the word they mostly used, 'homosexual'. Yeah, many gay men were so rejected and abused by society that some took their own life. That sounds heavy by today's standards, but it's true. And in certain era's of the country things haven't changed all that much. Thanks for sticking up for Judy.
Totally destroyed by alcohol and drugs. So sad to see. Barely could join words. And she looked 20 years older here.
It wasn't just the substance abuse, but the a lifetime of ill-treatment, by parents, agents, and lovers. Gee, maybe the one had some'at to do with the other, ya think?
jack johnson ..... agreed. “No One To Watch Over Me”........
@Tylar She looks frail; if you are underweight it can be very aging.
Jinkx Monsoon brought me here
I'll never forget you, Judy. ❤
Bless her lovely soul, this lady started out as an innocent heart that was dreadfully used & abused by the industry and the true "wolves" in Hollywood
Wow...she looks and speaks like one who's had a lobotomy. Heartbreaking and sad💔.
She looks very very much like my biological Mother with same voice and way of speaking. saw her coiple times a year she was also isually sedated on something. It's amazing same nose same mouth. eyes
Her comments are thoughtful. It's just the delivery which is strained.
It really is. At this point in her life she had already been abused, run through the gigs by the Hollywood machine. She had abuse drugs, and alcohol so badly with all the stress and abuse she endured. Unfortunately she was not in her best state during this time. And it really shows! It’s such a shame because this woman had all the talent in the world! It’s too bad that she was exploited the way she was
" Attracts homosexuals ' , Good for Judy ! They have good taste and so does Judy!
There will never be another Judy Garland who was so unique like her great powerful clear voice! I'm so glad she had her children to bring some "sunshine" into her life after her childhood and adolescence. They loved her and she loved them so much! Judy sang with her whole body, heart and soul and I loved how she moved her body when she sang and danced and what she did with her arms and hands! So many singers don't know how to express through their hands and bodies when they sing, a real art! She once said, "I'm much more than just a voice"., she certainly was! RIP and long live the great JG! Thanks for sharing Michele~
The message that I got from this interview was that during that time period, being affiliated with homosexuals was taboo and looked down upon. Judy simply stated that she had a vast audience of fans of all kinds and ages.The person who wrote the article back then may have been trying to shed a "bad light" on Judy for having a large homosexual following. She replied, ...."for so many years, I've been misquoted;" "rather brutally treated by the press," "but I'll be damned if I have my audience mistreated." This applies to ALL of her fans and I am proud that she didn't caught up with the negativity society associated towards homosexuality. Kudos to you Judy! May your legacy & great talent live on even beyond my generation! ~Rest In Peace~
She had just performed a couple of concerts in Chicago (both of which I saw) and she was electrifying. The voice seemed to gain in power and volume as the show progressed. She concluded with "What Now, My Love?" with a ringing top note that had the audience reeling. On the stage, she was magic and pure electricity. I'll never forget those two concerts. This interview by Irv Kupcinet book place between the two concerts (I believe four days apart).
I'm so jealous
One thing I've always regretted is not being able to ever see her live
She was a genius
Thanx for the memories! You re so fortunate that you saw her live!
She’s been my favorite since forever and how I would have loved to see her live! ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you so much for sharing this interview.
I find so many things about Judy to be remarkable. In fact stunning. Even in the addictions she was suffering under she held her Grace. I wonder how she managed that? I suspect that Judy, in the depths of her being was just an especially pure spirit. Judy certainly gave more beauty to the world than she ever got in return. I pray with all my heart for those suffering under addictions to receive a way to return to themselves and the world of the living and thriving. 🙏🏻🌿🌺🍃🌸❤️💜
Im here because of Jinx Monsoon.
Excellent interview footage. Glad it is here. Thanks!
I wish I was alive then to meet her..
Really, why you holding dope?
yoboi01 me to
Despite all of her problems, Judy was obviously a very warm and wonderful person with a big heart. And what a talent!
I like when she said. essentially
You can attack me, but don't attack my audience."
When she said, "Well.... She was a fella...." I was screaming!
Robin lollll 😂
a jolly good fellow!
same with 'her' ..it's a fella.
So, it’s okay for Judy to mistreat a lesbian? ....This interviewer can’t bring up her obvious gay following without Judy being offended and then Judy calls the interviewer a “fella”? Interesting. I don’t see an LGBT ally there. ...Sorry, just my take on this.
@@roccoritchie9419 I am sure if Judy lived in our time, where people like you looooove to make uninformed comments, then she would've been more vocal about the love she had for gay people.
Jinkx brought me here
She seemed like such a precious and fragile angel on earth.
This is terribly sad. My heart breaks for this woman. I notice she is crying, or is it a trick of the light? I hope there is a Heaven. I hope that she is there, and that all of the other angels knew when they'd been bested and just gave up singing the moment she arrived.
Yes! I loved your comment! God needed Judy to sing for Him
What if she's in hell? Because what she did is the same as suicide? Damn I'm scared! I don't want God to be mad at me for idolising her because she's in hell! Damn help me!
Genevieve R. She was crying, I noticed it also
God is love. Don't listen to the religious people who twist the words of the Bible to justify their own self righteousness. Listen to the words of Jesus. "Blessed are the poor in spirt for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those that mourn for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." Matthew 5:3-5 I think Jesus loves Judy and she's in heaven and I think Jesus loves you and you're going to be okay! The Bible says that Jesus was a friend of sinners and the only people he berated were the hypocritical Pharisees (religious leaders) of His time. I think people that commit suicide are broken people who are "poor in spirit" more than almost anyone. There is no place in the Bible or in the teachings of Christ that declares suicide a mortal sin. That is a part of Catholic theology only. Take heart and find a Bible that has all the teachings of Jesus in red letters. Read His words and meditate on them. They will bring you the peace you need. "Come unto me all you who labor and who are heavy laden and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." Jesus - Matthew 11:28 - 30@@blackvelvetinyourarea4232Don't worry about the rest of the Bible until you truly believe that God loves you. "For I have come not to condemn the world, but that the world be saved." - Jesus Blessings to you!
@@blackvelvetinyourarea4232 Relax; there is no Hell, and no God to be angry at you. Nothing is wrong with idolizing her.
Can you imagine a job where you are asked about personal information all the time? You can't just act or sing. People feel entitled to know everything
I agree with you, it's awful. Celebrities' personal lives are none of our business.
I'm here because I saw Jinxx on Snatch Game
Honestly I can't imagine being scared or not tremendously blessed and Loved by my Mother ~
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Wow, she is really blitzed in this interview. Judy deserved so much better than to suffer the way she did.
Gary Clement yes, she did deserve more. Such a crying shame.
One sad thing is that (as with Marilyn Monroe) Judy's disintegration is part of her 'legend'. She doesn't look that bad here, but in her responses you see and hear years of wreckage. And the lurid fascination with that wreckage has been pushed by her admirers as much as her detractors. She's only in her forties in the video, think what we lost because she never got (or accepted) the help she needed.
I'm surprised few people mention that she appears somewhat drunk in this (and most) of her interviews. I wonder if she just got overly nervous before each interview....if she had stopped after 1 or 2 shots it would be ok...but she over-did it quite often!
@@CoopyKat if anyone had too live her life who could blame her.
I love Judy garland! It's sad to watch these old interviews and know the kind of adolescence and young adult life she led while working at MGM. She was worked so hard and fed uppers n downers by not only MGM executives but her own mother to keep up with the hectic and non stop schedule to make movie after movie after movie. It is her era why there are so many laws protecting children in the entertainment business in the present. Before judging just remember that you did not live her life yet so quick to judge her. She is a legend, a rock star, she was witty and kind. She loved her fans, her children and her peers. It's unfortunate that such a talented person was used and abused for the pure reason of capitalism.
In those days, there were few options in treatment. And those treatments were not always scientifically sound. Most addictions and abuse were not talked about and kept hidden. Few escaped
jeneyo I totally agree with your comment. It was very Sad 😔 indeed.
Mr. Moon do u know how old was she when she started taking pills? Do some research first on the era when she lived before making an assumption or voicing out ur opinion. Do some research about her life. U seemed to judge her based on the video alone or comments here.
Oh wow jinkx really was spot on!
I’m a gay man and I’m not really seeing her defend gay people here. Actually, she says “ that’s ridiculous because there are children and teenagers in my audience.” Of course, children and kids can be gay too and it sounds kinda like she's suggesting that since kids are around, gays are not… I don’t mind that she said that. It was a different time and there’s only so much you could really say on national TV regarding this. But I don’t think she was defending us here.
Good for HER! What a super sweet woman. "I'll be damned if I'll have my audience mistreated!" Forever Judy!!!!
Why can't everyone just see her genuine spirit and love that she poured herself into those roles.What a blessing and inspiration for her artists. NO matter who loves her it's the joy she brought so many who can't even fathom the private torments needn't be concerned. She will always be a star!
Yes!
Jinkx really KILLED this impersonation of Judy
I came here because of jinkx 😂
Yeah, she probably was drunk. Or high. Or both. But some very great people (past and present) struggle with alcoholism and addiction. Speaking from experience, I can honestly say that while long-term substance abuse absolutely can negatively affect the brain, it does not change what's in your heart emotionally nor the spirit inside of you.
Basically, drugs or no, Judy Garland was a CLASS ACT.
She was probably on like... 400 MGs of Seconal
I thought a drunk person tells the truth lol
That is a definite myth. Speaking as a drunk.
Stop it .actors and actresses from back in the day. Does it make a difference now. Its the 21st century. I. loved them all then and. now its all about talent. from rock. Hudson to Ellen generes
+Kim Are you drunk or high? That doesn't make much sense.
This “journalist”’s questions were all so negative! She has adoring fans and a fantastic career. Shame on anyone who at the time could have legally helped her and didn’t do so!
She objected to the suggestion that she attracted a lot of gays, and refused to have her audience "mistreated" that way.
From the rubble of a tortured life she raised beautiful memories for others that live on. There'll not be another.
I don't think she was complimentary of homosexuality at all in this interview. She cringed at the notion of attracting a gay audience, went on to emphasize that her audience was everything but gay, and then discounted the reporter being quoted as being gay (by insinuation)
She was probably told by her management she cannot openly support gay rights.. When she says 'I'll be damned if I have any of my audience mistreated' What she is saying is that she has a lot of love for her gay audience and would be pissed if they got mistreated [for being gay].
Zakarias Hartley
I'm not sure about that ... I think she was talking about not wanting her "wholesome" audience (notice how she first brings up children) to be characterized as "homosexual." And then she goes on to pejoratively suggest an interviewer who asked her about having a "homosexual audience" was a lesbian.
spfane I think you're right. I'm sure she knew some of her fans were gay, but at the time of the interview, the publicity of it would have hurt her career. The year, 1967, was very homophobic. In order to better understand the prevailing attitude one should watch a documentary called, "The Homosexuals," hosted by Mike Wallace. It is posted on UA-cam (look for the longest version). More attention was given to gay rights in the 1970's, but was still met with much negative attitude from most people. Anita Bryant (crusader against homosexuality) was only fired as the Florida orange juice spokesperson because the people of this industry were afraid the negative publicity would hurt sales.
Jinkx Monsoon everybody
She was privately involved with the gay community. She had many gay friends but unfortunately she wasn't allowed at that time to really talk much about it. People back then thought that being gay was something totally than what it actually was so the public never heard or talked about it.
As a gay young man i respect this woman on the highest level. Not because of her being a "gay icon" but because of what she endured in her life and how she was forced pills to work. Yet the beauty that shines through is the raw talent Judy had. If you hear her sing live you can hear the amazing power and clarity, but what I love the most is the hurt and the heart in how she sings. It really connects you to her in a personal way. Maybe it's because I've gone through hell in my life too, but I don't think anyone could ever have that same spell she had... R.I.P. JUDY ❤️
Well said 👏🏻👌🏻
I was so lucky when I was a 10 year old. Judy Garland came to san Francisco, the Curran Theatre. My mom took me to a matinee. Seeing Judy live was
so remarkable and inspiring. I am a singer and have had a wonderful niche career as such. Judy was one of my first early influences and I can't thank my mom enough for making sure I got to see her on stage. When she came out and sat on the stage and talked to the audience it blew me away. Still does 68 years later.
No matter what, I love this woman. Her greatness is unmatched by any entertainer before or since!
I heard the comment to mean that she didn't want her audience to be mistreated by referring to them as homosexuals. I didn't hear it as a defense of the homosexuals that were in attendance at her shows.
+TroysPop I think anyone whose primary language is English would agree that her point of view was that calling her audience homosexual was mistreatment of her audience, and the inference here is that she is in agreement with those who disparage such people. Yeah, it was 1967, but still... Oddly, she had had her own same-sex affairs, the most famous one being with MGM colleague/mentor Kay Thompson. But merely saying this gives a lot of fans the vapors, and that's not much different from 1967 attitudes.
I just watched Judy this weekend, and I'm still thinking about her. She really went through a lot of abuse, and seemed so lonely, but she loved her children and could still put on a show. I wish I could give her a hug!!
Jinx Moonson 2022
How in the world is this a defense of her gay audience? She said she didn't like the reporter, inferred the reporter was a Lesbian and frankly stated her audience was a diverse crowd even including teens. This heading totally distorts what she said completely.
Right. Listen to Judy.
Judy never said she was gay. The title stated (A gay icon defends her gay audience)?
I just viewed the video this simply reminded me of what an incredible artist and human being she was. and most importantly she was a survivor and kept on persevering. I would like to believe she's finally in peace from all her demons and burdens of her mortal life and only now no one can ever abuse and exploit her any longer. it only takes one person to save a soul not a village
Jinkx fucking killed her performance as Judy
"Defends her gay audience" ... Strangely, that's not what I heard. Given the era however, I'm sure she was trying.
I didn't hear her defend her gay audience. Not a word.
You realize a public admission of homosexuals in her audience would have led to police raids, kid. Woke 20/20 vision isn’t a personality.
Judy loved her audiences, period.
She wasn't one to gossip. She deflected the questions or re-directed the focus.
Judy garland was using barbiturates from a young age that mgm studios gave her to help her keep up with their celeb schedule at the time, look it up..fascinating. She died from an overdose of those as well at 47, which is why even in this interview she sounds like she is 80 yet wayyy younger!
How would a CNS depressant help her keep up? Seems like they would put her to sleep.
Wait. Barbiturate wouldn’t have kept her up... also. What does her dying of an overdose have to do with her voice sounding like she’s 80?
She was NOT defending her gay audience. As a matter of fact, she actually slandered gay people when she referred to the female journalist as a "fella herself" (aka d*ke). And she even said errghhh in discomfort as the journalist asked her the question. And when she said "I'll be damned if they're mistreated " can also be taken as if her audience is called gay, then that's insulting them. Open your eyes people!
Heartbreaking to learn how people took advantage of her. She was gone much too young. A beautiful, Kind, Gifted Icon. The worlds love for her will be forever!
Breaks my heart! What a beautiful soul to take. Rest In Peace precious legend. May you NEVER be forgotten! You’ve paid the way for all. You never got what you deserved and worked so, so hard for . You definitely define the word WOMAN! Love you Judy Garland!
She was Classy and Beautiful! I could sense she was nervous about the interview! She probably knew people were watching and judging her! All and all, she will Remain an Amazing Icon!❤️🌹
Robin Grant I like your comment very much. You are the only one who is truly respectful here and does not pity or patronize her.
It just made me extremely sad at the end there, when she seems to want to do a play, SHE NEVER GOT THE CHANCE TO DO ONE! I personally feel it was a travesty that there was never a stage musical done with Liza Minnelli as Gypsy Rose Lee, and JUdy Garland as MAma Rose, perfect casting; they would have recorded it for TV (like it was done w Mary Martin in Peter Pan) so there would always be a recorded version to watch over and over again. This shuld have been done in like 1964/65 around the time she had her TV program. I'm upset that this production is only in my imagination and not real
this jinkx interview is amazing, happy she’s getting publicity!!
Hollywood should be ashamed for how they treated such legendary creative people.
She was crying! It must have been a difficult interview
I think she was desperate for work when accepted Valley of the Dolls. She even recorded that awful song, which is available on youtube. I don't think Judy could have been as hard in the role as Susan Hayward. In the end, it worked out for the best that Judy was fired. I wonder how she got the outfit that Hayward wore in the film after shooting?