He CLEARLY wrote the CERN machine into the show. How do ppl not see this? It literally showed it!!! It's fuckin CERN! It transports us to another parallel universe the one closest to our original that's why the changes are so subtle, that is the only difference. The changes they portrayed were massive ones like bringing dead people back. You'd have to jump faarrrr for that to happen imo. This shit is widely discussed among intellectuals. The smartest kid on earth right now literally made a video breaking it all down. We are moving to alternate realities that are no longer our originals.... shits changing slowly but surely. I think they fire up cern again next weekend?
Personally I think it's just one giant example of how one person's delusions driven by guilt can drive them to believe they can truly control everything. It's a parallel to Elliot, an anarchist driven by guilt/sadness, becoming so wrapped up in his own world view to a point where he begins hurting people around him with little remorse - he's supposed to be just like Whiterose, except Elliot has seen himself for what he is and has the opportunity to stop someone like Whiterose from losing it completely and taking out their sorrow on the entire world. The time travel aspect seems to stem from a wanting to control, a theme throughout the entire show, but instead of giant conglomerates, they want to control the very fabric of time and space itself, the delusion of self importance and overwhelming guilt for the death of her lover has driven Whiterose to a breaking point where we look towards the impossible for answers, because when you already rule the world and can't have what you want, what else is there to do?
If this show has shown us anything it's the reality of mental health issues. Perspectives vs. Reality. Whiterose is a Psychopath and the viewer will see not this crazy project AKA "ridiculous fantasy" but the truth of how a delusional person with good intentions can convince others they are in control and to give up power. It's a big scam. Elliott isn't a full blown Psychopath because he shows empathy, but has Multiple personalities. Elliott is a realistic person with bad intentions trying to convince others they are not in control and to take back the power. Angela is a normal empathetic person who really fell for the ideal of whatever is good is right. Whiterose is so crazy and manipulative she gave Angela an empathy/gullibility test as Elliott quotes, "she exploited your feelings about your mom and used them against you, that's what she does." "This so called project of hers, it stems from an obsessive psychotic denial of reality." WhiteRose Archetype: Lies Heal Elliott Archetype: Truth Hurts
@@kyjack3721 I don't think a psycho would react the way she did to her lover's suicide. She's very pragmatic and see no reason to abide to morality if it goes against her plan because her project is the ultimate moral compass for her. Anyway, since e09 did not reveal anything about the project we will hopefully learn more about it during the last episodes.
Holy SHIT! Just noticed Irving’s style, his car, clothes etc are all from the 80’s. That possibly includes the man himself. Maybe he has been “brought back” already. And the little Angela girl....this show’s attention to detail is perfection personified. Using the same actor for several roles is an oversight Rami wouldn’t take part in. I’m starting to believe that may have actually been young Angela.
@Vincent Vega/OP: That's what bothered me abt him, lol. It DOES explain why JANICE also dressed like it was (late 80s) also, tho!! The DA have been from the past, everyone else is HERE. I'm still not too happy abt it, as I tuned in to this show in 2015 when usa aired the "Fuck society" speech as it's trailer. I watched bc I loved *Elliot's* commentary on mental health, society, & hacking. Not for sci-fi.
As a father of a murdered son at 27, I can relate to wanting to go back in time to prevent losing a loved one. I think the remaining episodes are going to be epic. With the history of epic, intelligent writing and award winning acting on mr robot, I get chills imagining what I hope will happen. Think about it. Elliot and Darlene have the thumb drive with all of the information about the time machine. They have exhibited extraordinary hacking skills. Now we get to luxuriant in the thrilling execution of the ultimate hack, the hacking of history.
I recommend you watch Dark, it's a sci-fi show, and from what you say I think you might like the end of that show. It's also well written and a masterpiece
I think White Rose is building a simulation similar to the the San Juinpero Black Mirror episode that resembles the world but can be changed to fit the desires of each person connected to it using data collected from their consciousness. Rather than traveling actual time, it would create a virtual different timeline of someones life, bringing people who have died back. The scene with Angela doing the test with White Rose and her younger self could actually be inside the prototype of the simulation and would explain it's dream like otherworldy strangeness
I've always imagined a similar thing like that where it's specifically for people with mental issues or for those who are about to die just so they could relive their memories and possibly change it in their simulation, so that the former can be possibly treated and the latter can die peacefully with much lesser regret in life or just the idea of flashing life behind their eyes in a much more simulated way.
Time travel is highly strongly suggested, it's not far fetched only because it doesn't seem possible in our reality. It's probably going to be a ridiculous end which all these characters motivations lead to. Why would Whiterose want something material of she/he's can have it all? There just has to be some metaphysical reason.
That thing she (White Rose) is building sure looks like a particle accelerator, (think Cern and Fermi labs, yeah, looks like THAT) and well or something that has to do with physics that would somehow bend time, or "time travel" and they (the accelerators ) need lots of power, thus the power plant
@What Nope, that's pretty much what we've been predicting. Machine did fixed all bad things in this world in a completely irrational way for standards of this show, just simply not reverted back time. That's why now I think it may be an effect of either drugs or Elliot's imagination. Like, this new world is the real one, and he was just dreaming about being a hero in his insecure life.
@@magyar5615in the episode where place gives Elliott the drive with info about the machine you can see that it's what you're talkin about. It mentions proton smashing proton
Here's a theory: Maybe it's not a device to help someone travel through time, but what if it's a machine that can allow someone to hack time itself. It would be liking using the timeline as one big console command, like in a PC game. One could manipulate the command to get something completely new, or to bring back an item that you, the player, have lost. What if White Rose plans to hack time to save her lover. If that is true, then Elliot could use the device to delete all of his childhood trama, giving him the normal childhood he desires. My God, what if the machine actually works, and Elliot was the test subject? It could be possible that the Dark Army used the device to hack Elliot, giving him and Darlene a horrible life because maybe those two come close to actually beating the Dark Army, and the Dark Army tries to stop them by hacking the timeline, and "future" Elliot got wind of this. So he enacted a fail-safe, or an "anti-virus" to protect his younger-self from the time changes, and if that's true then the anti-virus could only be one person. Mr.Robot....
nice :) now make one with parrallell universes please! what if instead of going back through time, she has a way of jumping to other realities, ones where White Rose's lover is not dead, etc...?
Nicely made video, but I think the time travel stuff seems a bit too out there, even for this show. I think what is more likely is white rose has found a way to simulate the consciousness of people with data and memories of others. It seems like white rose showed Angela a glimpse of a simulation of her mother and convinced Angela that a full version is possible. That would make the undying loyalty of the dark army much more understandable, as they believe that they can be brought back to life in the form of an AI and live on forever.
That would fit in the whole Blade Runner theme that shows up in the show. With Tyrell at E Corp = Tyrell Corp in Blade Runner. That one single photo Elliot has that shows first him and his mom only and then change into a family photo. Just like Racheal in BR has that one photo of her and her mother that she thinks is proof that she is a real human and not a replicant (a robot) but later turns out to be just a planted memory. Heck, in BR there is also the Voight-Kampff test, which is designed to distinguish replicants from humans based on their emotional response to questions just like Angela and Tyrell are force to take. And there is Elliot with his superhuman ability to hack any system in very little time. However; I think it might be simpler than that. And the fish is the key. Angel says to Whiteroses, "Your fish died". What's with the fish? Why is it there? What we don't see is most likely that Whiterose somehow reversed that death and it's what convinces Angela that there is hope of getting her mom back. So I'm still on the time travel/reversal side. There are just too many clues that point to that.
@@RobertsAdra Which is why Esmail won't use it. smh.. I read that Portia wanted to quit the show. I don't think Angela was supposed to die. The scoring in that scene from the end of sn 3 was the subconscious cue that Wrose is a whack job & Price was telling the truth. Watching Price call Whiterose PETTY & DELUSIONAL seemed incongruous with the sudden: "Pledge allegiance to her! (I'm wearing a wire!)" nonsense that resulted in Angela's death. At this point, I've surrendered to the fact that my frmr *favorite series of all time* is ending with a "HIMYM" whimper rather than a "Breaking Bad" bang.
@@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 Ye of little faith. Judging by how the 4 season is progressing so far we will at least get a cinematic masterpiece of an ending. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we found out that Elliot is actually Sam Sepiol and part of the Deus Group OR that he is in fact Tyrell's son that was sent to an abusive foster home like the FBI suggested (since time is just a perception and in reality past, present and future all exist at the same time). Or we might even get one of those Back to the Future part 2 episodes when we see the Elliot we've seen already with a second Elliot working "backstage". Oh the possibilities!
@@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 Idk I think the HIMYM comparison is pretty far off. Shows like HIMYM and Dexter that had bad/mediocre endings pretty much always have slow declines leading up to the ending. The entire final HIMYM season was kinda trash to me, But Mr. Robot just released the highest rated episode of a show in television history according to IMDB. And I would add that the main point of interest in the show is not really WR at all, but its figuring out elliot's past and finally making sense of his alters. The WR thing could turn out to be something stupid and the show could still have a good ending. Let's just sit back and see what happens. I hope they do the fans right because like you this is my favorite series of all time as well. I hope it lives up to your expectations!
@@ghostehh you just really want it to happen I guess:D I doubt it will thou, but hopefully they will at least shed a light on what white rose plan was.
Yea when you see the show with this theory in mind, you start noticing a lot of subtle hints. Like that party they were having for Angela's mom. They were cutting a cake that said "See you in another life!" Now that can be just a hopeful farewell or maybe the showrunners are hinting at a literal "other life".
@@yourstruly9978 not exactly, there are a lot of great theories about the AU being in Elliot's head and that Elliot might currently be fading from reality
i like the idea that white rose is hacking time. it would explain why Elliot's memory is so swiss cheesed. It's hard to remember the past when it's always changing.
Her Project is definitely something related to quantum physics because in one of the previous episodes of the new season, I can't exactly remember which one was it, but there is a scene where the lady that works for White Rose is informing him for the meeting of Deus Group and they also talk about Elliot in this scene. Anyway there is a board in front of White Rose and on that board there is quantum formulas
The show clearly showed a particle accelerator when Angela finished her interview with the little girl and whiterose. Now particle accelerator can be used as a Quantum mechanical tool to do something of the sort of rewinding time.
Its a perfect simulation of the world. It has seemed almost obvious to me for awhile now, but maybe that is because I am writing a story with a similar ending. I think you are halfway there, but rather than travelling through time, it recreates time. The question of "what you consider real" makes much more sense in the context that the whole series has taken place inside code, and the reveal is that whiterose is recreating the world inside a computer.
I’m so glad all these theories about there being time travel or alternate/virtual realities turned out not to be true. It wouldn’t have fit in with the rest of the show at all
I find it being a simulation being far more likely considering the techy pretence of the show. WhiteRose’s machine would enable her to be “who she truly is” like the adoption of an avatar in a video game. Time would be of no constraint within a simulation either and you could theoretically live forever, thus she “hacks time” Can’t believe we are so close to the end guys.
Okay who is the snitch that told everybody how the series would end.Mr robot didnt have a budget like GOT to produce 10 different ending possibilities,but still its a show of the decade.
The quantum physics charts hint that it might have been: 1. A black hole generator 2. A way to colapse the "ground" state of vacuum to a real ground state. Either way humanity will perish
Realistically, it was probably just Whiterose was willing to cause a nuclear meltdown believing the deaths and damage would somehow revert time or that the ones who died would go back in time in the after life.
When Eliot plays that game in order to stop the melt down he doesnt escape the Island he stays with his friend because i think Eliot realized WR wanted to stay with his love. Together. Most people want to escape but Eliot understood that the answer was staying behind.
I am going to stick with my idea that the project is a VR life where everyone can live and their minds can be copied into. I don't want it to be time travel because that seems like a cheap retcon. Thanks for the video.
I still don't get what it was after finishing the show. I'd say it was "nothing", delusional, and what Elliot saw was just in his head. But then what is it he showed Angela that made her get this lost in the delusion?
Once we can simulate our entire world, we instantly become part of the simulation. This is how we make time travel possible, we just upload our minds into any position in the simulation. ua-cam.com/video/pmcrG7ZZKUc/v-deo.html
Her life got ripped apart and her worldview got shattered. We now all got a glimpse what global crisis can do to a persons mind. We focus a lot on Elliot's troubles we forget about Angela. Her career tanked, her next career was nepotism which she never knew about and she finds out her dad ain't her father. She is totally unsuccesful in choosing a right partner and even falls for one or two of Elliots darker personalities who turns out personally destroyed the world economy overnight. Her rigorous work ethic and drive was her way to not start slipping. But all this tripped her and in walked Whiterose with a near copy of her as a child telling her time is an illusion and every pain can be reversed. She was soothed by madness. Like the real Elliot pushed into a dream loop where everything is going to be fine in the end.
I almost feel like they were going to dive deeper into the concept of time travel and parallel dimensions, but decided not to. I always think about what Darlene said (after doing a few too many lines of coke) about how she thought she saw Angela even though Angela was dead. I also thought they were going to do more with the machine that WR was building. By far the creepiest part of the show for me was when Angela showed up at the lawyers house after meeting with WR, completely brainwashed into believing in the Dark Army’s mission. She seemed so utterly convinced and almost dead - as if she herself had a second personality. I wish we had at least gotten more of a peek into hers and WR’s conversation, or maybe could have been able to see what WR actually showed to make her so convinced.
It just seems that time travel seems to be out of context, but somehow the clues and the hints all add up. It would be brilliant if Sam can tie the two together: the current theme of Mr. Robot and the idea of time travel.
I did think about time traveling last season, since it was very “on your face” kind of thing but then I kept shooting it down. You’re making me consider all those things again!
I believe the "event" of time travel already happened and that Elliot is at the centre of it. This is why when we begin Elliot has no memory of his father or sister. And everyone keeps telling him that he is the key to the whole thing. It even might be that this whole show/world is the event happening but there are glitches preventing it from going smoothly. ***Spoilers from 4x07 ahead*** We just learned that Elliot was sexually abused by his father, so if time is reversed he would end up with his father still alive AND still abusive. So there is this struggle of what to do. Maybe Elliot was made to forget so that he would go along with whatever has to take place to reverse time. But his subconscious mind knows what would happen if his father was alive again so he fights it. This is why we had those episodes of Elliot trying to prevent E corp's hardcopy records from being destroyed while Mr. Robot (who knows what happened to Elliot) and Tyrell trying their best to destroy everything.
Yeah I remember, but I don't remember Elliot trying to "prevent E corp's hardcopy records from being destroyed" But I what I do remember was Mr.Robot trying to destroy the records and cause a Terrorist attack along with Tyrrel Wellick and Elliot going through an intense psychological conflict to Prevent it. But I don't think this has anything to do with his Father. But indefinitely Mr.Robot tried to hide Mr.Elliot from the Truth. Similar to The Phantom Pain when you finally play the Truth Tape and then see everything for what it really is
okay not completely related to this time travel thing but when you said "everyone keeps telling him that he is the key to the whole thing" it remind me of the key he found in the museum it was literally an E shaped key. when i saw it, it reminded me of E Corp somehow but i couldnt find the connection but now with all this time travel what if Elliot has sth to do with E Corp and what if he's in much closer ties with it than he's aware of O.o
@@denizlavigne Why I do I get the feeling that the the entire incident from the Museum was all in Elliot's Head ? Cause you're not going to tell me that a Museum is going to be open at 3 am in the morning. He meets with his child self and kid EASILY opens the door , finding it in the same exact condition he found it more than 20 years ago. With and screaming and everything, the security would've been all over Elliot. That cannot be possible. There would've been some overhaul or remodeling inside that "Personal" Storage room. And since Tyrell had the key in his hand. Raises suspicion. I'm thinking that is a symbol of him finally rememmbering the key that he forgot over 20 years.
@@johncastle1984 it might be in Elliot's head, after that confrontation he had i think that scene was like going back in his memories and trying to remember what was real about his childhood you know. and honestly at this point im not sure what or who is real so im just shooting. That key Elliot held why it was a perfecf shaped E? it was just a room key could've been a shape resembling an E but no it was literally E. I dont think Sam is shooting any scene by chance i believe everything we see holds a message thats what makes this show so awesome and special, he's like a modern day Kubrick. but whatever did we ever really find out what E Corp stands for
Yes, I'm also pretty sure it's more of a "episode" or dream rather than actually happening. Especially with all the "Tomorrow"s and the "land of the future" and big robot thrown in there.
There is only one possible way in that room that Whiterose could have convinced Angela that she was legit when it came to the manipulation of time, and that is the fish that was intentionally and knowingly killed before Whiterose came in, if Whiterose could have shown her machine to revive the fish then Angela would have to accept what she saw. That newly-dead fish was a major clue in that scene, as I'm sure it simply wasn't coincidental to a setting where Whiterose is trying to convince a person that death isn't the end.
***spoilers for all seasons*** In the end we never even knew what the machine was or what it exactly was supposed to do. I guess it never mattered what White Roses machine was cause it was just her coping mechanism, like how Elliot's split personality is his coping mechanism.
I think it's gonna be something to do with simulation theory. White Rose figured out how to hack the Matrix or something. Maybe using Higgs particles and all that jazz? Is why all these folks kill themselves without a second thought. White Rose said "I'll find you when my project launches", or something to that effect, right before her 2015 partner shot himself at the end of season 3. Either way, its gonna be one of the best endings of any show ever.
It may not be time travel exactly (in the sense we think of it in sci-fi) But instead, multiple dimensions (White Rose references this in S2 I believe -- while watching TV) where they can undo events by jumping to a different timeline all together. Or maybe it's in the sense of the age old question: Are we part of a dream? How do we know this is reality? How do we know we are not in some Matrix-like construction? It could be something where a person is put to sleep, while waking up in a different "reality", but some type of tech advanced beyond what we currently consider. Maybe even a Total Recall with the twists and substance references and split mindsets.
@@_yuri lmao wow I have been finding that lots of people who watch this show are arrogant AF, and are full of hubris. Sorry my terminology does not meet your robotic, cult-mindset. Bleat at someone inside the herd.
You forgot to mention the song from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure playing at the end of the episode in season 3x08. "In Time" by Robbi Robb. Also time travel.
i saw this video earlier but didn't give a sh*t because it just sounded ridiculous to me.. now after watching 4x11 I'm coming back to watch this video.. and it kind of makes sense
Seems more like it could be a mass simulation where you can live another life. The line between real and simulated is coming closer and closer to converging
My guess is that the project is all about proving the existence of parallel realities and giving people the ability to have some sort of mental communication with their parallel selves, or to travel to other realities where bad events in the past never happened. In rewatching the series I've started to think that some sort of breeding program is going on, taking those with some latent ability to step between realities and creating a new breed of humans who can live in whichever version of reality best suits them. So Elliot's father and Angela's mother were involved in the early stages of this plan, sacrificing their lives and giving birth to Elliot and Angela, who were intended to carry on the breeding program, with Elliot's various identities being a result of his ability to perceive other realities and move between them. I'm thinking the Wellicks are part of the same program, which is why Tyrell believes he and Elliot were destined to be 'gods' together. Obviously there are plenty of other consistent explanations, my current favourite being that the Wellicks aren't human at all, they're either aliens or some sort of extra-dimensional entities who kick-started the whole process, there's certainly something deliberately uncanny about them, and their ability to control and manipulate others, and Tyrell with his mysterious blue glow in the forest.
time travel theory. kind of far out there, but if done right, could be plausible i just hope the conclusion of Mr. Robot is as epic as the rest of the series, and Sam Esmail doesn't do a GoT
Cool to hear your breakdown on this, but my problem with Irving chiming in is his whole character is a grift, you have to take that into account when he is hyping up Angela on her delusions
@@murryflix the thing is she show is definitely telling us that this is her master plan and just like that guy said its delusional dream And I'm still very happy to see the show came to an end, the last ep blew my mind
No the machine was going to work completely ( transform the world in a utopic parallel world ) but Elliot has deactivated it by playing the computer game.
@@99xara99 uugh…that was 2 years ago 🤣 since, I finally understood that the machine required a lot of powers so without Elliot’s safe move, it would’ve made a nuclear bomb
My theory is that the machine gets revealed like it can change the past, but it only changes memories. Because time travel seams just a little bit too weird for this (kinda) reality-based show. It would make sense because just now in season 4 Elliot learned something that he might like to forget. Even trow he will probably chouse not to forget, and to keep living in reality. It would be a great twist. All that talk about changing the past was White Rose lying to herself and others. It is not possible. But White Rose is so determined and desperate to do it that she just sticks to this impossible Believe even if it means she has to change her own mind. It would be a great contrast between Elliot accepting his past and White Rose not being able to do that. It would also explain how she convinced Angela. I mean she couldn't have shown her the power of her time machine anyway, because even if it is a time machine it wouldn`t be working jet. But if she has a prototype and smaller-scale mind-changing machine, she could just change enough of Angela's mind to convince her of the time machine Existence. Angela does go a little bit crazy after her meeting with White Rose, so that could be a side effect of the unfinished machine.
sadly it turns out mr robot was created by elliot being repeatably raped by his dad, i still cant get over Angelas death though, i wish time travel was real in the show to undo that.
I have to say, Mr. Robot surprised me for how special it is. The main thing I commend it for is the way Esmail obviously had a plan and followed it meticulously, which is what any show on TV usually lacks. So, great going there. But I'd like to express a doubt and hear more opinions about it: it seems to me the issue of (SPOILER ALERT, don't read if you haven't watched S4) Mr. Alderson's abuse of Elliot, I think, might have been an afterthought that Esmail wouldn't have actually put in the story originally. Hear me out on this: at the beginning Mr. Robot looks like a crazy conspirationist and more and more of an exalted terrorist. At the same time, Elliot's dad from flashbacks seems a genuine great guy, great dad. Of course, it might have just been the illusion society gives us about such individuals. But, by and by, we grow attached to Mr. Robot, until we find out he's actually a split personality of Elliot. And that's where we start being conflicted, because on one hand we root for Elliot, but on the other hand we've grown fond of Mr. Robot and we'd really like to find a way to reconcile him with Elliot himself. And so around season 3-4 there's this shift; Mr. Robot becomes more likeable, we don't want to lose him, his actions get more justification and less harmful impact on others... and at the same time we are slowly introduced to a colder relationship between Mr. Alderson and Elliot (notice the beginning of S4, when Elliot just leaves his dad in the middle of the cinema hall while he goes and watches the movie on his own). There's a specific moment where I felt like the great cohesion of the story cracked: when Darlene tells Elliot that his memory of his father pushing him out the window was wrong, and he actually jumped himself. That felt very weird to me, because Elliot reacts like this is news to him. But we already knew Mr. Alderson had not pushed him; in fact, when in Season 1 (?) Mr. Robot pushes Elliot off the peer, he's already revealed to Elliot that Elliot had jumped out of the window of his own volition, and also that the reason Elliot did it was because he felt guilty for telling his mom about his dad's illness. He even says a line about "trust" and promises. I thought that was a very interesting psychological theme to explore, Elliot's self-harm due to guilt, and it would have made sense. But that line sort of died down, and it was much later replaced with this one. Well, to me it felt like Matrix's black cat: you see something twice when the system changes something. So, it felt like retcon. I wonder if it's because as Elliot's character developed Esmail gave him a darker story, made him cross the line even worse than he'd planned, and for that reason he needed a stronger and more painful trauma in his past to counterbalance and explain his brokenness. It's just an idea, but it keeps nagging at me. I'd really like to hear other people's thoughts.
Interesting point, but I don’t at all agree that Elliot being surprised by the reveal of the actual truth surrounding the window event is in any way weird. He was aware of his actual actions within the situation, but because Mr Robot is (Without him even knowing it) how he really views his father combined with Mr Robot hiding the real context from him muddles his perception of reality, which is why he was surprised when Darlene told him because it was almost as if he’d forgotten. We also have to remember that when Elliot “Learned” he threw himself out the window, he thought he was talking to his father, not Mr Robot, which is very important when we consider his perception of that event.
I think the alternate virtual reality/matrix scenario is more likely, especially because of the line at 4:22. The show has always been grounded in reality and I think time travel would be too much. Simulated realities are something we definitely know are possible, unlike time travel. The equations on the whiteboards we saw a few episodes ago are related to quantum mechanics so quantum computing will probably be used to achieve this. People won't literally go back in time but they will be able to live in virtual reality with people that are long gone as if they had.
Whiterose is such an interesting character. If she was thinly written, I'd think her plotline is ridiculous, somehow, Esmail and his writers make it work
I mean, part of the serie deals with this undo posibility. If we could choose to undo part of our lives, would we do that? Childhood abuse, parent's death, lover's death.
I just re-watched episode 1x09 and Angela said that she envies Elliot because he can talk with his dead father and she would like to talk with his dead mother "EVEN IF SHE ISNT' REAL" That's foreshadowing. I believe in this Matrix-style simulator theory. And after 4x08 I believe that when Whiterose shows it to Elliot, he would refuse it and Mr. Robot would like to do it. Masterpiece, man.
I mean are we even perceiving “the real world “ that’s debatable, what is real ? Only our brain knows , but it translates it into stuff we can comprehend
Of course, there is one way that a time machine can be both real and wholly consistent with the Mr Robot universe. That is, if it is revealed that Elliot is living in and part of a simulation and if the programmer/creator of the simulation implements a time machine then it will be real in their world.
Biggest disappointment in the whole series. Sooo many things planted that never paid off. Specially something as integral to the story as the white rose......... ... . .... ..
I used to think it was time travel with all of the Back to the Future references, but now I think it's got more to do with plugging human minds into an AI ala The Matrix.
You missed another hint at time travel/paralel timelines, in season 2 episode 5 there is a scene where a bunch of clock are shown, but one of them is a divergence meter from the anime Steins Gate(it's an anime about time travel an paralel timelines)
I think that the flashback in which Whiterose's lover killed himself is key. There were literally white roses at the center of that scene and they turned red because of the blood. Whiterose's plan is to go back in time and change that moment.
Whiterose is not building a time machine but a virtual universe equal to this one, but with a different timeline or slightly in the past. A simulation, a matrix. She is building matrix. The second theory of mine was that she's building a replicant. This could be confirmed by numerous Easter eggs, like Tyrell etc. She promised to Angela to took back her mother, as a replicant, Whiterose want his ex love as a replicant etc..
Except... Why the shot of the giant interior of some kind of mega particle accelerator? Why the need to divert so much of the planet's resources? Clones typically (in sci-fi lore) happen in vats and test tubes. You can clone life in a po-dunk university lab.
@@MarkOakleyComics that's a great question. I can only answer that by saying, it's to keep us wondering about the project. I also think that the whole fixation with time is to bring back lost ones by cloning. For example the scene where Angela sees her younger self. That could be a clone of her younger genetics. My theory. I could be wrong but it's an intriguing thought nonetheless.
I came here to comment the same. Its a lot more believable in today's context. And so far the show has been pretty rooted in reality. All very relevant ideas.
@@natedsamuelson Yea I agree, I honestly thought it had to do with cloning from since they mentioned the project. It makes sense why Angela was so obsessed with having "seen it"...We saw it too, it was Angela *stunned* at the fact she was being interviewed by her younger self.
Time travel is impossible for living things since it requires an infinite amount of energy and something with mass simply can't survive light speeds or being exposed to you know that infinite energy... Besides of that there are hundreds of technical issues including earth position in space while "time traveling" and if it was possible we would know by now since time travelers would be everywhere! What might be possible is sending energy thru time space (a message) but if parallel universes are real it might get lost in one of these infinite universes. One last thing time is not lineal but all we can experience is each passing day.
My simplized theory is that its all a simulation. Time travel. S4 name of episodes resemble computer responses. The double take finale ending of inner elliot and real elliot diff versions. There are different theories* and all are possible in this show because its all a computer or simulation. I also think time travel is a relevant subject in the form that elliot has to remember* his past, his abuse, as if* going back in time figuratively. Usually in film, things that are said or represented arent actually physically direct, they are moreso symbolic and real meaning is the relation tied to the themes of the film/show.
Unsure how I'd feel about this if it turned out to be true. It would certainly make for a mindboggling story, but one of the reasons I love Mr Robot is that it's so firmly rooted in reality. If all that authenticity were to be nullified by turning the whole thing into sci-fi at the last second, I'd be pretty upset. Then again, if the time travel theory isn't true, there is really no good explanation for why Angela was so easily brainwashed into believing her mother could be brought back.
This theory actually makes quite a lot of sense. The reuse of the child actor is a huge sign although the main thing would be if that was the case then White Rose's project would already be complete. It's quite strange, time travel does feel just a touch too sci fi and if the show wanted to they could of had a bit more fictional technology. But then again as the CEO said it's a crazy impossible plan so maybe it is a dillusion.
The show ended, we now all know that there’s no machine that can reverse time. What Price’s said to Angela was right. The death of Whiterose’s love was a severe trauma to her and that’s why she’s been having the fantasy of bringing people back. End of SS4, we’re back to reality, where we get the last message from the show, from Elliot
you know, I wondered if the show actually meant to leave us with a nagging doubt that maybe the machine Whiterose meant to activate through an atomic plant actually was real. Whether it would have worked or not, it might be a further step of doubt. But above all, I think this "doubt" thing is what fits the show most of all: this isn't a show where we hear about fancy tech from sci-fi theories; this is a show where we delve through the human mind by defragmenting it like clusters in a computer. It doesn't matter so much whether plot ABC follows the correct order and the knight ends up saving the princess; what matters is how actions and thoughts are put into sequence, how different points of view confront each other and how the pieces manage to find their place in the multidimensional puzzle of reality. That's why we consider this show grounded in real life: because real life doesn't follow a script, we may try but we most often fail to fit its bits in specific categories. And that's what destabilises us. So what I mean to say is, it doesn't matter so much how Whiterose's supposed machine might actually work, or even whether it actually existed or not. What matters is, time, history and reality are a mess however you look at them. The best accomplishment you can achieve is to make sense of yourself and find wholeness in your own mind.
@@pirimpallopirimpalli4932 For some reason I think this complex gibberish you wrote there is gonna be the most satisfying conclusion to me. This show seriously messed me up inside, like I'm literally restless 😅 I just really wanted to see Elliott be "okay" in the end, understand himself, I still don't know if he does...
@@99xara99 it wasn't meant to be gibberish, but maybe everything we say always is. Anyway, you yourself used quotation marks for "okay". What does it mean, to be "okay"? I think the point is that from the first time we saw Elliott he was always broken. The story ends when he makes himself whole again. Then, that's just the beginning for him. He might be happy or sad, brave or fearful, exceptional or ordinary. He'll be.
My theory is that Sam Esmail wrote WhiteRose so well that even the audience can believe in her
The actor played her extremely well.
Sam Sapiol
oh shit you're right
He CLEARLY wrote the CERN machine into the show. How do ppl not see this? It literally showed it!!! It's fuckin CERN! It transports us to another parallel universe the one closest to our original that's why the changes are so subtle, that is the only difference. The changes they portrayed were massive ones like bringing dead people back. You'd have to jump faarrrr for that to happen imo. This shit is widely discussed among intellectuals. The smartest kid on earth right now literally made a video breaking it all down. We are moving to alternate realities that are no longer our originals.... shits changing slowly but surely. I think they fire up cern again next weekend?
@solar panel what is this video, or where can I find it? What kid?
Hate to say it, but those scenes seem so weird now when Edward is sitting next to Angela, at the birthday party.
@Nazneen Zafar it's confirmed
Yes. I'm disturbed.
Especially since a part of her was interested in older men and 'do you cry during sex' question in her Dark Army initiation!
@@travisspazz1624 In the season 4 there is an episode where it is confirmed...
maybe she was molested like Elliot?
Personally I think it's just one giant example of how one person's delusions driven by guilt can drive them to believe they can truly control everything. It's a parallel to Elliot, an anarchist driven by guilt/sadness, becoming so wrapped up in his own world view to a point where he begins hurting people around him with little remorse - he's supposed to be just like Whiterose, except Elliot has seen himself for what he is and has the opportunity to stop someone like Whiterose from losing it completely and taking out their sorrow on the entire world. The time travel aspect seems to stem from a wanting to control, a theme throughout the entire show, but instead of giant conglomerates, they want to control the very fabric of time and space itself, the delusion of self importance and overwhelming guilt for the death of her lover has driven Whiterose to a breaking point where we look towards the impossible for answers, because when you already rule the world and can't have what you want, what else is there to do?
Whatever happens, you'll still be really smart.
If this show has shown us anything it's the reality of mental health issues. Perspectives vs. Reality.
Whiterose is a Psychopath and the viewer will see not this crazy project AKA "ridiculous fantasy" but the truth of how a delusional person with good intentions can convince others they are in control and to give up power.
It's a big scam. Elliott isn't a full blown Psychopath because he shows empathy, but has Multiple personalities. Elliott is a realistic person with bad intentions trying to convince others they are not in control and to take back the power. Angela is a normal empathetic person who really fell for the ideal of whatever is good is right. Whiterose is so crazy and manipulative she gave Angela an empathy/gullibility test as Elliott quotes, "she exploited your feelings about your mom and used them against you, that's what she does."
"This so called project of hers, it stems from an obsessive psychotic denial of reality."
WhiteRose Archetype: Lies Heal
Elliott Archetype: Truth Hurts
control is an illusion!
@@kyjack3721 I don't think a psycho would react the way she did to her lover's suicide. She's very pragmatic and see no reason to abide to morality if it goes against her plan because her project is the ultimate moral compass for her. Anyway, since e09 did not reveal anything about the project we will hopefully learn more about it during the last episodes.
Or this show is one long therapy session for us all ;)
i believe this is it, whiterose wants to bring back her lover, that suicided in China
Nope.
I kinda agree.
I changed my mind I totally agree.
I kinda agree.
I changed my mind I totally agree.
It's VR.
It's an AI that transfers human conscience into a machine that's a simulation of their own memories.
Holy SHIT! Just noticed Irving’s style, his car, clothes etc are all from the 80’s. That possibly includes the man himself. Maybe he has been “brought back” already.
And the little Angela girl....this show’s attention to detail is perfection personified. Using the same actor for several roles is an oversight Rami wouldn’t take part in. I’m starting to believe that may have actually been young Angela.
young Angela for sure bro ! (i agree, Esmail wouldn´t use the same girl just to save some money, no way in hell)
@@nf5011 Rami (Malek) doesn't decide which actors are used or hired. That's Sam Esmail's job.
@@kakarochuy Yes!
I meant Sam Esmail not Rami, thanks.
Could be a clone.
@Vincent Vega/OP: That's what bothered me abt him, lol. It DOES explain why JANICE also dressed like it was (late 80s) also, tho!! The DA have been from the past, everyone else is HERE. I'm still not too happy abt it, as I tuned in to this show in 2015 when usa aired the "Fuck society" speech as it's trailer. I watched bc I loved *Elliot's* commentary on mental health, society, & hacking. Not for sci-fi.
Whiterose discovered we live in a simulation and with her proyect she has discovered a way to get out of the matrix.
Good point
Nah
No but they lived in a simulation.
As a father of a murdered son at 27, I can relate to wanting to go back in time to prevent losing a loved one. I think the remaining episodes are going to be epic. With the history of epic, intelligent writing and award winning acting on mr robot, I get chills imagining what I hope will happen. Think about it. Elliot and Darlene have the thumb drive with all of the information about the time machine. They have exhibited extraordinary hacking skills. Now we get to luxuriant in the thrilling execution of the ultimate hack, the hacking of history.
I recommend you watch Dark, it's a sci-fi show, and from what you say I think you might like the end of that show. It's also well written and a masterpiece
Sorry Harry, unfortunately Whiterose wasn't what the show was concerned with at all and the storyline was just thrown to the side to show Elliot's BS.
Anyone who starts a comment with as a... is full of shit. Nobody cares. You don't get any slices of the attention cake you so desperately want. GTFO
I think White Rose is building a simulation similar to the the San Juinpero Black Mirror episode that resembles the world but can be changed to fit the desires of each person connected to it using data collected from their consciousness. Rather than traveling actual time, it would create a virtual different timeline of someones life, bringing people who have died back. The scene with Angela doing the test with White Rose and her younger self could actually be inside the prototype of the simulation and would explain it's dream like otherworldy strangeness
I've always imagined a similar thing like that where it's specifically for people with mental issues or for those who are about to die just so they could relive their memories and possibly change it in their simulation, so that the former can be possibly treated and the latter can die peacefully with much lesser regret in life or just the idea of flashing life behind their eyes in a much more simulated way.
@@fatezero8662 that's the plot of the game to the moon
Using quantum computing to live in their lucid dreams “mind awake / body asleep”
@MAVERICX I thought the EXACT same thing when I watched Evangelion for the first time last summer!!
MAVERICX I feel u , but I get reminded of Tokyo ghoul tho. The manga series not the anime
quantum computing to enable parallel universes/realities?
Classic example of quantum woo. Just using the word quantum to justify and explain the process of something. Never heard so much bs in my life
Time travel is highly strongly suggested, it's not far fetched only because it doesn't seem possible in our reality. It's probably going to be a ridiculous end which all these characters motivations lead to. Why would Whiterose want something material of she/he's can have it all? There just has to be some metaphysical reason.
His lost boyfriend by the white roses.
That thing she (White Rose) is building sure looks like a particle accelerator, (think Cern and Fermi labs, yeah, looks like THAT) and well or something that has to do with physics that would somehow bend time, or "time travel" and they (the accelerators ) need lots of power, thus the power plant
Well so far everything in Mr Robot has come true in our real life. So I always thought the project is general AI.
@What Nope, that's pretty much what we've been predicting. Machine did fixed all bad things in this world in a completely irrational way for standards of this show, just simply not reverted back time.
That's why now I think it may be an effect of either drugs or Elliot's imagination. Like, this new world is the real one, and he was just dreaming about being a hero in his insecure life.
@@magyar5615in the episode where place gives Elliott the drive with info about the machine you can see that it's what you're talkin about. It mentions proton smashing proton
They're either already in a simulation and Whiterose knows how to get out, or she's created a simulation and knows how to get in.
That scene with Angela and Whiterose is probably the best I've ever scene in any series. So mesmerising and deep
Coolkat yeah it’s without a doubt one of mr robot’s best scenes. a lot of scenes with whiterose are like that for me lol
How about the recent scene about Elliot
have you seen episode 7 season 4!!omg!!this is hitchcock style!!!absolute genius!!!
@@81elpedro right it was so good/and so emotional
Here's a theory:
Maybe it's not a device to help someone travel through time, but what if it's a machine that can allow someone to hack time itself. It would be liking using the timeline as one big console command, like in a PC game. One could manipulate the command to get something completely new, or to bring back an item that you, the player, have lost. What if White Rose plans to hack time to save her lover. If that is true, then Elliot could use the device to delete all of his childhood trama, giving him the normal childhood he desires.
My God, what if the machine actually works, and Elliot was the test subject? It could be possible that the Dark Army used the device to hack Elliot, giving him and Darlene a horrible life because maybe those two come close to actually beating the Dark Army, and the Dark Army tries to stop them by hacking the timeline, and "future" Elliot got wind of this. So he enacted a fail-safe, or an "anti-virus" to protect his younger-self from the time changes, and if that's true then the anti-virus could only be one person. Mr.Robot....
nice :) now make one with parrallell universes please! what if instead of going back through time, she has a way of jumping to other realities, ones where White Rose's lover is not dead, etc...?
I lost my marbles while reading this
@@urosmirkovic8353 don't worry, White Rose will find a way to get your marbles back in time :)
Honestly, that sounds genius but i feel like this show is too grounded in reality for that
One moment I thought you're smoking something or what but damn it does make sense! I hope they'll integrate that into the show.
Man I could so watch this show all over again think it’ll be one of those shows I’ll be coming back to a lot of times in years to come
I am ASHAMED that I didn't pick this up. I am absolutely ASHAMED of myself for not getting this while watching. Amazing.
Nicely made video, but I think the time travel stuff seems a bit too out there, even for this show. I think what is more likely is white rose has found a way to simulate the consciousness of people with data and memories of others. It seems like white rose showed Angela a glimpse of a simulation of her mother and convinced Angela that a full version is possible. That would make the undying loyalty of the dark army much more understandable, as they believe that they can be brought back to life in the form of an AI and live on forever.
John Green ^^
That would fit in the whole Blade Runner theme that shows up in the show. With Tyrell at E Corp = Tyrell Corp in Blade Runner. That one single photo Elliot has that shows first him and his mom only and then change into a family photo. Just like Racheal in BR has that one photo of her and her mother that she thinks is proof that she is a real human and not a replicant (a robot) but later turns out to be just a planted memory. Heck, in BR there is also the Voight-Kampff test, which is designed to distinguish replicants from humans based on their emotional response to questions just like Angela and Tyrell are force to take. And there is Elliot with his superhuman ability to hack any system in very little time.
However; I think it might be simpler than that. And the fish is the key. Angel says to Whiteroses, "Your fish died". What's with the fish? Why is it there? What we don't see is most likely that Whiterose somehow reversed that death and it's what convinces Angela that there is hope of getting her mom back. So I'm still on the time travel/reversal side. There are just too many clues that point to that.
@@RobertsAdra Which is why Esmail won't use it. smh.. I read that Portia wanted to quit the show. I don't think Angela was supposed to die. The scoring in that scene from the end of sn 3 was the subconscious cue that Wrose is a whack job & Price was telling the truth. Watching Price call Whiterose PETTY & DELUSIONAL seemed incongruous with the sudden: "Pledge allegiance to her! (I'm wearing a wire!)" nonsense that resulted in Angela's death. At this point, I've surrendered to the fact that my frmr *favorite series of all time* is ending with a "HIMYM" whimper rather than a "Breaking Bad" bang.
@@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 Ye of little faith. Judging by how the 4 season is progressing so far we will at least get a cinematic masterpiece of an ending.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we found out that Elliot is actually Sam Sepiol and part of the Deus Group OR that he is in fact Tyrell's son that was sent to an abusive foster home like the FBI suggested (since time is just a perception and in reality past, present and future all exist at the same time). Or we might even get one of those Back to the Future part 2 episodes when we see the Elliot we've seen already with a second Elliot working "backstage". Oh the possibilities!
@@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 Idk I think the HIMYM comparison is pretty far off. Shows like HIMYM and Dexter that had bad/mediocre endings pretty much always have slow declines leading up to the ending. The entire final HIMYM season was kinda trash to me, But Mr. Robot just released the highest rated episode of a show in television history according to IMDB. And I would add that the main point of interest in the show is not really WR at all, but its figuring out elliot's past and finally making sense of his alters. The WR thing could turn out to be something stupid and the show could still have a good ending. Let's just sit back and see what happens. I hope they do the fans right because like you this is my favorite series of all time as well. I hope it lives up to your expectations!
Not gonna lie, i am a believer.
same. i want whiterose's project to be realized and i really hope it's a timemachine
I'm a directioner
So episode 9 will definitely disappoint you
@@mohamedfaried973 you never know though... Could still be the case
@@ghostehh you just really want it to happen I guess:D I doubt it will thou, but hopefully they will at least shed a light on what white rose plan was.
Yea when you see the show with this theory in mind, you start noticing a lot of subtle hints. Like that party they were having for Angela's mom. They were cutting a cake that said "See you in another life!" Now that can be just a hopeful farewell or maybe the showrunners are hinting at a literal "other life".
Anyon here after the lastest episode? Holy shit
time travel/parallel realities confirmed 😲😲😲😲
@@yourstruly9978 not exactly, there are a lot of great theories about the AU being in Elliot's head and that Elliot might currently be fading from reality
Nah it's just his alternative personality.....
i like the idea that white rose is hacking time. it would explain why Elliot's memory is so swiss cheesed. It's hard to remember the past when it's always changing.
Her Project is definitely something related to quantum physics because in one of the previous episodes of the new season, I can't exactly remember which one was it, but there is a scene where the lady that works for White Rose is informing him for the meeting of Deus Group and they also talk about Elliot in this scene. Anyway there is a board in front of White Rose and on that board there is quantum formulas
The show clearly showed a particle accelerator when Angela finished her interview with the little girl and whiterose. Now particle accelerator can be used as a Quantum mechanical tool to do something of the sort of rewinding time.
Not rewinding time, fracturing into alternative realities, its about string theory.
Whiterose has what looks like a large hadron collider... so I’d go with time travel or parallel dimension at the very least.
if i had to guess White Rose brought that fish in the fish tank back to life after the water ran out of it.
Its a perfect simulation of the world. It has seemed almost obvious to me for awhile now, but maybe that is because I am writing a story with a similar ending. I think you are halfway there, but rather than travelling through time, it recreates time. The question of "what you consider real" makes much more sense in the context that the whole series has taken place inside code, and the reveal is that whiterose is recreating the world inside a computer.
I’m so glad all these theories about there being time travel or alternate/virtual realities turned out not to be true. It wouldn’t have fit in with the rest of the show at all
I 100% believe this theory after tonight's episode. Also, wtf was that episode?
I’m a sci-fi connoisseur. At 45, this is the best show I have ever experienced.
I find it being a simulation being far more likely considering the techy pretence of the show.
WhiteRose’s machine would enable her to be “who she truly is” like the adoption of an avatar in a video game. Time would be of no constraint within a simulation either and you could theoretically live forever, thus she “hacks time”
Can’t believe we are so close to the end guys.
Okay who is the snitch that told everybody how the series would end.Mr robot didnt have a budget like GOT to produce 10 different ending possibilities,but still its a show of the decade.
Definitely thrones just fucked itself by the end
I swear there was a scene in the show were Elliot is looking at a woman but she does it again. Maybe a reference to the Matrix cat scene?
She does what again?
@@mke_gal it
The quantum physics charts hint that it might have been:
1. A black hole generator
2. A way to colapse the "ground" state of vacuum to a real ground state.
Either way humanity will perish
I totally believe this! Especially when Whiterose keeps saying that "Elliot will find out that we're on the same side".
Realistically, it was probably just Whiterose was willing to cause a nuclear meltdown believing the deaths and damage would somehow revert time or that the ones who died would go back in time in the after life.
When Eliot plays that game in order to stop the melt down he doesnt escape the Island he stays with his friend because i think Eliot realized WR wanted to stay with his love. Together. Most people want to escape but Eliot understood that the answer was staying behind.
Sam Esmail right now: GOT EEM!
I think they believe we are in a simulated universe, and they can hack that code and change anything with the machine they are building.
I am going to stick with my idea that the project is a VR life where everyone can live and their minds can be copied into. I don't want it to be time travel because that seems like a cheap retcon. Thanks for the video.
If you’ve been paying attention, there are hints of it being a time machine from the first season.
I still don't get what it was after finishing the show. I'd say it was "nothing", delusional, and what Elliot saw was just in his head. But then what is it he showed Angela that made her get this lost in the delusion?
Once we can simulate our entire world, we instantly become part of the simulation. This is how we make time travel possible, we just upload our minds into any position in the simulation. ua-cam.com/video/pmcrG7ZZKUc/v-deo.html
Her life got ripped apart and her worldview got shattered. We now all got a glimpse what global crisis can do to a persons mind. We focus a lot on Elliot's troubles we forget about Angela. Her career tanked, her next career was nepotism which she never knew about and she finds out her dad ain't her father. She is totally unsuccesful in choosing a right partner and even falls for one or two of Elliots darker personalities who turns out personally destroyed the world economy overnight. Her rigorous work ethic and drive was her way to not start slipping. But all this tripped her and in walked Whiterose with a near copy of her as a child telling her time is an illusion and every pain can be reversed. She was soothed by madness. Like the real Elliot pushed into a dream loop where everything is going to be fine in the end.
I almost feel like they were going to dive deeper into the concept of time travel and parallel dimensions, but decided not to. I always think about what Darlene said (after doing a few too many lines of coke) about how she thought she saw Angela even though Angela was dead. I also thought they were going to do more with the machine that WR was building.
By far the creepiest part of the show for me was when Angela showed up at the lawyers house after meeting with WR, completely brainwashed into believing in the Dark Army’s mission. She seemed so utterly convinced and almost dead - as if she herself had a second personality. I wish we had at least gotten more of a peek into hers and WR’s conversation, or maybe could have been able to see what WR actually showed to make her so convinced.
I wish that too
Great editing, dude! Loved that ending! Well researched and written too! Excited to check out your channel!
It just seems that time travel seems to be out of context, but somehow the clues and the hints all add up. It would be brilliant if Sam can tie the two together: the current theme of Mr. Robot and the idea of time travel.
I did think about time traveling last season, since it was very “on your face” kind of thing but then I kept shooting it down. You’re making me consider all those things again!
I believe the "event" of time travel already happened and that Elliot is at the centre of it. This is why when we begin Elliot has no memory of his father or sister. And everyone keeps telling him that he is the key to the whole thing. It even might be that this whole show/world is the event happening but there are glitches preventing it from going smoothly. ***Spoilers from 4x07 ahead*** We just learned that Elliot was sexually abused by his father, so if time is reversed he would end up with his father still alive AND still abusive. So there is this struggle of what to do. Maybe Elliot was made to forget so that he would go along with whatever has to take place to reverse time. But his subconscious mind knows what would happen if his father was alive again so he fights it. This is why we had those episodes of Elliot trying to prevent E corp's hardcopy records from being destroyed while Mr. Robot (who knows what happened to Elliot) and Tyrell trying their best to destroy everything.
Yeah I remember, but I don't remember Elliot trying to "prevent E corp's hardcopy records from being destroyed" But I what I do remember was Mr.Robot trying to destroy the records and cause a Terrorist attack along with Tyrrel Wellick and Elliot going through an intense psychological conflict to Prevent it.
But I don't think this has anything to do with his Father. But indefinitely Mr.Robot tried to hide Mr.Elliot from the Truth. Similar to The Phantom Pain when you finally play the Truth Tape and then see everything for what it really is
okay not completely related to this time travel thing but when you said "everyone keeps telling him that he is the key to the whole thing" it remind me of the key he found in the museum it was literally an E shaped key. when i saw it, it reminded me of E Corp somehow but i couldnt find the connection but now with all this time travel what if Elliot has sth to do with E Corp and what if he's in much closer ties with it than he's aware of O.o
@@denizlavigne Why I do I get the feeling that the the entire incident from the Museum was all in Elliot's Head ? Cause you're not going to tell me that a Museum is going to be open at 3 am in the morning. He meets with his child self and kid EASILY opens the door , finding it in the same exact condition he found it more than 20 years ago.
With and screaming and everything, the security would've been all over Elliot.
That cannot be possible. There would've been some overhaul or remodeling inside that "Personal" Storage room.
And since Tyrell had the key in his hand. Raises suspicion.
I'm thinking that is a symbol of him finally rememmbering the key that he forgot over 20 years.
@@johncastle1984 it might be in Elliot's head, after that confrontation he had i think that scene was like going back in his memories and trying to remember what was real about his childhood you know. and honestly at this point im not sure what or who is real so im just shooting. That key Elliot held why it was a perfecf shaped E? it was just a room key could've been a shape resembling an E but no it was literally E. I dont think Sam is shooting any scene by chance i believe everything we see holds a message thats what makes this show so awesome and special, he's like a modern day Kubrick. but whatever did we ever really find out what E Corp stands for
Yes, I'm also pretty sure it's more of a "episode" or dream rather than actually happening. Especially with all the "Tomorrow"s and the "land of the future" and big robot thrown in there.
There is only one possible way in that room that Whiterose could have convinced Angela that she was legit when it came to the manipulation of time, and that is the fish that was intentionally and knowingly killed before Whiterose came in, if Whiterose could have shown her machine to revive the fish then Angela would have to accept what she saw. That newly-dead fish was a major clue in that scene, as I'm sure it simply wasn't coincidental to a setting where Whiterose is trying to convince a person that death isn't the end.
That's a good one. So you think she somehow faked a fish coming back to life and that's what fucked up Angela? Or would you say it was legit?
Infinite tsukuyomi it is
***spoilers for all seasons***
In the end we never even knew what the machine was or what it exactly was supposed to do. I guess it never mattered what White Roses machine was cause it was just her coping mechanism, like how Elliot's split personality is his coping mechanism.
I'd like to agree but what did she show Angela that made her completely lose her mind?
@@99xara99 also i wonder what Tyrell saw and who is the real Eliot the show ended with so much unanswered questions
Roads… where we’re going we don’t need roads...
I think it's gonna be something to do with simulation theory. White Rose figured out how to hack the Matrix or something. Maybe using Higgs particles and all that jazz? Is why all these folks kill themselves without a second thought. White Rose said "I'll find you when my project launches", or something to that effect, right before her 2015 partner shot himself at the end of season 3. Either way, its gonna be one of the best endings of any show ever.
Well 10 eps into S4 and this theory seems just as - if not more - plausible than ever.
It may not be time travel exactly (in the sense we think of it in sci-fi)
But instead, multiple dimensions (White Rose references this in S2 I believe -- while watching TV) where they can undo events by jumping to a different timeline all together.
Or maybe it's in the sense of the age old question: Are we part of a dream? How do we know this is reality?
How do we know we are not in some Matrix-like construction?
It could be something where a person is put to sleep, while waking up in a different "reality", but some type of tech advanced beyond what we currently consider. Maybe even a Total Recall with the twists and substance references and split mindsets.
they are called worldlines you uncultured swine
@@_yuri lmao wow I have been finding that lots of people who watch this show are arrogant AF, and are full of hubris.
Sorry my terminology does not meet your robotic, cult-mindset. Bleat at someone inside the herd.
You forgot to mention the song from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure playing at the end of the episode in season 3x08. "In Time" by Robbi Robb. Also time travel.
i saw this video earlier but didn't give a sh*t because it just sounded ridiculous to me.. now after watching 4x11 I'm coming back to watch this video.. and it kind of makes sense
Seems more like it could be a mass simulation where you can live another life. The line between real and simulated is coming closer and closer to converging
@@TheDeathOfLucifer yea either that (simulation), time travel or parallel universe.. i'm fine with all.. Sam won't disappoint us
My mind still sends chills down my spine the second it hears that Music..
It seems most likely like the project is a particle accelerator.
A tachyon particle detector?? That would still fall within the time travel realm.
maybe she is building a super computer, they are running a virtual reality where the dead people is alive :D
the main question is also what did whiterose show angela to push her over the edge? maybe those documents that elliot was reading in s4?
A virtual reality world maybe. Mind uploading and such
My guess is that the project is all about proving the existence of parallel realities and giving people the ability to have some sort of mental communication with their parallel selves, or to travel to other realities where bad events in the past never happened. In rewatching the series I've started to think that some sort of breeding program is going on, taking those with some latent ability to step between realities and creating a new breed of humans who can live in whichever version of reality best suits them. So Elliot's father and Angela's mother were involved in the early stages of this plan, sacrificing their lives and giving birth to Elliot and Angela, who were intended to carry on the breeding program, with Elliot's various identities being a result of his ability to perceive other realities and move between them. I'm thinking the Wellicks are part of the same program, which is why Tyrell believes he and Elliot were destined to be 'gods' together. Obviously there are plenty of other consistent explanations, my current favourite being that the Wellicks aren't human at all, they're either aliens or some sort of extra-dimensional entities who kick-started the whole process, there's certainly something deliberately uncanny about them, and their ability to control and manipulate others, and Tyrell with his mysterious blue glow in the forest.
That fbi project being called the Bernstein project made me sus
time travel theory. kind of far out there, but if done right, could be plausible
i just hope the conclusion of Mr. Robot is as epic as the rest of the series, and Sam Esmail doesn't do a GoT
If Sam Esmail does it correctly, he is the young Steven Spielberg of our time. Not Elliot Abrams with lost :(
Been thinking this for years, and I have Faith.
Cool to hear your breakdown on this, but my problem with Irving chiming in is his whole character is a grift, you have to take that into account when he is hyping up Angela on her delusions
You're right on that one. Can't believe a word he says actually.
i think white rose project is a lucid dream device thing
Great video, I wish u do a follow up at the end of the show
Thanks! I definitely will. Even if the theory isn't true.
@@murryflix the thing is she show is definitely telling us that this is her master plan and just like that guy said its delusional dream
And I'm still very happy to see the show came to an end, the last ep blew my mind
diiasze ya man that last episode was nuts!!
White Rose had a psychotic break and was building a machine that was never going to work, which is why she killed herself.
No the machine was going to work completely ( transform the world in a utopic parallel world ) but Elliot has deactivated it by playing the computer game.
SPOILER ALERT
Agree. But how did she convince Angela?
@@flom6416 I Hope you're trolling
@@99xara99 uugh…that was 2 years ago 🤣 since, I finally understood that the machine required a lot of powers so without Elliot’s safe move, it would’ve made a nuclear bomb
My theory is that the machine gets revealed like it can change the past, but it only changes memories. Because time travel seams just a little bit too weird for this (kinda) reality-based show. It would make sense because just now in season 4 Elliot learned something that he might like to forget. Even trow he will probably chouse not to forget, and to keep living in reality. It would be a great twist.
All that talk about changing the past was White Rose lying to herself and others. It is not possible. But White Rose is so determined and desperate to do it that she just sticks to this impossible Believe even if it means she has to change her own mind. It would be a great contrast between Elliot accepting his past and White Rose not being able to do that.
It would also explain how she convinced Angela. I mean she couldn't have shown her the power of her time machine anyway, because even if it is a time machine it wouldn`t be working jet. But if she has a prototype and smaller-scale mind-changing machine, she could just change enough of Angela's mind to convince her of the time machine Existence. Angela does go a little bit crazy after her meeting with White Rose, so that could be a side effect of the unfinished machine.
Ha, as I'm watching this Huey Lewis's Power of Love just came on. Time travel it is then...
HEY GUYS, WHAT IF MR. ROBOT IS, IN FACT, CREATED BY WHITEROSE'S PROJECT.
sadly it turns out mr robot was created by elliot being repeatably raped by his dad, i still cant get over Angelas death though, i wish time travel was real in the show to undo that.
@@AsharRaasa I miss Shayla
@@obsoleteoptics me too, she brought out the best in Elliot, she showed us a human side to him
@@aburden512 indeed. she made him feel safe. mr. robot never showed up when she was around.
I have to say, Mr. Robot surprised me for how special it is. The main thing I commend it for is the way Esmail obviously had a plan and followed it meticulously, which is what any show on TV usually lacks. So, great going there. But I'd like to express a doubt and hear more opinions about it: it seems to me the issue of (SPOILER ALERT, don't read if you haven't watched S4)
Mr. Alderson's abuse of Elliot, I think, might have been an afterthought that Esmail wouldn't have actually put in the story originally. Hear me out on this: at the beginning Mr. Robot looks like a crazy conspirationist and more and more of an exalted terrorist. At the same time, Elliot's dad from flashbacks seems a genuine great guy, great dad. Of course, it might have just been the illusion society gives us about such individuals.
But, by and by, we grow attached to Mr. Robot, until we find out he's actually a split personality of Elliot. And that's where we start being conflicted, because on one hand we root for Elliot, but on the other hand we've grown fond of Mr. Robot and we'd really like to find a way to reconcile him with Elliot himself. And so around season 3-4 there's this shift; Mr. Robot becomes more likeable, we don't want to lose him, his actions get more justification and less harmful impact on others... and at the same time we are slowly introduced to a colder relationship between Mr. Alderson and Elliot (notice the beginning of S4, when Elliot just leaves his dad in the middle of the cinema hall while he goes and watches the movie on his own).
There's a specific moment where I felt like the great cohesion of the story cracked: when Darlene tells Elliot that his memory of his father pushing him out the window was wrong, and he actually jumped himself. That felt very weird to me, because Elliot reacts like this is news to him. But we already knew Mr. Alderson had not pushed him; in fact, when in Season 1 (?) Mr. Robot pushes Elliot off the peer, he's already revealed to Elliot that Elliot had jumped out of the window of his own volition, and also that the reason Elliot did it was because he felt guilty for telling his mom about his dad's illness. He even says a line about "trust" and promises. I thought that was a very interesting psychological theme to explore, Elliot's self-harm due to guilt, and it would have made sense. But that line sort of died down, and it was much later replaced with this one. Well, to me it felt like Matrix's black cat: you see something twice when the system changes something. So, it felt like retcon.
I wonder if it's because as Elliot's character developed Esmail gave him a darker story, made him cross the line even worse than he'd planned, and for that reason he needed a stronger and more painful trauma in his past to counterbalance and explain his brokenness. It's just an idea, but it keeps nagging at me. I'd really like to hear other people's thoughts.
Interesting point, but I don’t at all agree that Elliot being surprised by the reveal of the actual truth surrounding the window event is in any way weird. He was aware of his actual actions within the situation, but because Mr Robot is (Without him even knowing it) how he really views his father combined with Mr Robot hiding the real context from him muddles his perception of reality, which is why he was surprised when Darlene told him because it was almost as if he’d forgotten. We also have to remember that when Elliot “Learned” he threw himself out the window, he thought he was talking to his father, not Mr Robot, which is very important when we consider his perception of that event.
I think the alternate virtual reality/matrix scenario is more likely, especially because of the line at 4:22. The show has always been grounded in reality and I think time travel would be too much. Simulated realities are something we definitely know are possible, unlike time travel. The equations on the whiteboards we saw a few episodes ago are related to quantum mechanics so quantum computing will probably be used to achieve this. People won't literally go back in time but they will be able to live in virtual reality with people that are long gone as if they had.
All things aside that ending with imcrazy outro is amazing!! Great work there dude!
Whiterose is such an interesting character. If she was thinly written, I'd think her plotline is ridiculous, somehow, Esmail and his writers make it work
I think that Whiterose's project is time travel or some reality simulator as matrix style. Maybe a combination of both.
I mean, part of the serie deals with this undo posibility. If we could choose to undo part of our lives, would we do that? Childhood abuse, parent's death, lover's death.
yeah with like a supercomputer or something that maybe she is building as her project
I just re-watched episode 1x09 and Angela said that she envies Elliot because he can talk with his dead father and she would like to talk with his dead mother "EVEN IF SHE ISNT' REAL"
That's foreshadowing.
I believe in this Matrix-style simulator theory.
And after 4x08 I believe that when Whiterose shows it to Elliot, he would refuse it and Mr. Robot would like to do it.
Masterpiece, man.
What?
This is the coolest damned TV theory I've heard this year. And that's saying something 11 months in!
Will be watching with renewed interest!
Just had a thought. Elliot's other personality is the one that has time traveled.
Great video. This is the type of series that needs to be watched about half a dozen times to TRY to understand everything.
I've been looking for a video like this! I just got back into the show and was confused about all the crazy theories
You sir, are a genius.
Yes there will be something related to Time-Travel for sure, coz Whiterose jst wants her Lover back, and rule the world with him.
Bet you $50 you're wrong.
Is no one gonna talk about how the character at 1:49 looks so similar to Mr. Robot?
ddlxix because he doesn’t lol.
I need to watch Mr Robot again!!
I mean are we even perceiving “the real world “ that’s debatable, what is real ? Only our brain knows , but it translates it into stuff we can comprehend
"Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
Of course, there is one way that a time machine can be both real and wholly consistent with the Mr Robot universe. That is, if it is revealed that Elliot is living in and part of a simulation and if the programmer/creator of the simulation implements a time machine then it will be real in their world.
Biggest disappointment in the whole series. Sooo many things planted that never paid off. Specially something as integral to the story as the white rose......... ... . .... ..
I used to think it was time travel with all of the Back to the Future references, but now I think it's got more to do with plugging human minds into an AI ala The Matrix.
Wondering if it’s some kind of advanced cloning project, that would explain “young Angela”
Best matrix eveeerrr!! Mr. Alderson: hello mr. Alderson and vice versa
You missed another hint at time travel/paralel timelines, in season 2 episode 5 there is a scene where a bunch of clock are shown, but one of them is a divergence meter from the anime Steins Gate(it's an anime about time travel an paralel timelines)
I think that the flashback in which Whiterose's lover killed himself is key. There were literally white roses at the center of that scene and they turned red because of the blood. Whiterose's plan is to go back in time and change that moment.
Anybody else peep the OCP sign in 4x5....clearly white rose is making Robocop.
I saw that and got more confused, as if...
Whiterose is not building a time machine but a virtual universe equal to this one, but with a different timeline or slightly in the past. A simulation, a matrix. She is building matrix. The second theory of mine was that she's building a replicant. This could be confirmed by numerous Easter eggs, like Tyrell etc. She promised to Angela to took back her mother, as a replicant, Whiterose want his ex love as a replicant etc..
the project is not time travel, it's actually cloning. My theory.
Except... Why the shot of the giant interior of some kind of mega particle accelerator? Why the need to divert so much of the planet's resources? Clones typically (in sci-fi lore) happen in vats and test tubes. You can clone life in a po-dunk university lab.
@@MarkOakleyComics that's a great question. I can only answer that by saying, it's to keep us wondering about the project. I also think that the whole fixation with time is to bring back lost ones by cloning. For example the scene where Angela sees her younger self. That could be a clone of her younger genetics. My theory. I could be wrong but it's an intriguing thought nonetheless.
I came here to comment the same. Its a lot more believable in today's context. And so far the show has been pretty rooted in reality. All very relevant ideas.
@@natedsamuelson Yea I agree, I honestly thought it had to do with cloning from since they mentioned the project. It makes sense why Angela was so obsessed with having "seen it"...We saw it too, it was Angela *stunned* at the fact she was being interviewed by her younger self.
WAIT WHAT you fuckin guessed it
Time travel is becoming more real and real as "normal" timeline passes.
Time travel is impossible for living things since it requires an infinite amount of energy and something with mass simply can't survive light speeds or being exposed to you know that infinite energy... Besides of that there are hundreds of technical issues including earth position in space while "time traveling" and if it was possible we would know by now since time travelers would be everywhere! What might be possible is sending energy thru time space (a message) but if parallel universes are real it might get lost in one of these infinite universes. One last thing time is not lineal but all we can experience is each passing day.
This video is really well put together, nice work!
My simplized theory is that its all a simulation. Time travel. S4 name of episodes resemble computer responses. The double take finale ending of inner elliot and real elliot diff versions. There are different theories* and all are possible in this show because its all a computer or simulation. I also think time travel is a relevant subject in the form that elliot has to remember* his past, his abuse, as if* going back in time figuratively. Usually in film, things that are said or represented arent actually physically direct, they are moreso symbolic and real meaning is the relation tied to the themes of the film/show.
Unsure how I'd feel about this if it turned out to be true. It would certainly make for a mindboggling story, but one of the reasons I love Mr Robot is that it's so firmly rooted in reality. If all that authenticity were to be nullified by turning the whole thing into sci-fi at the last second, I'd be pretty upset. Then again, if the time travel theory isn't true, there is really no good explanation for why Angela was so easily brainwashed into believing her mother could be brought back.
Any thoughts on this after finishing the series? I'm still absolutely puzzled
This theory actually makes quite a lot of sense. The reuse of the child actor is a huge sign although the main thing would be if that was the case then White Rose's project would already be complete. It's quite strange, time travel does feel just a touch too sci fi and if the show wanted to they could of had a bit more fictional technology. But then again as the CEO said it's a crazy impossible plan so maybe it is a dillusion.
The show ended, we now all know that there’s no machine that can reverse time. What Price’s said to Angela was right. The death of Whiterose’s love was a severe trauma to her and that’s why she’s been having the fantasy of bringing people back.
End of SS4, we’re back to reality, where we get the last message from the show, from Elliot
you know, I wondered if the show actually meant to leave us with a nagging doubt that maybe the machine Whiterose meant to activate through an atomic plant actually was real. Whether it would have worked or not, it might be a further step of doubt. But above all, I think this "doubt" thing is what fits the show most of all: this isn't a show where we hear about fancy tech from sci-fi theories; this is a show where we delve through the human mind by defragmenting it like clusters in a computer. It doesn't matter so much whether plot ABC follows the correct order and the knight ends up saving the princess; what matters is how actions and thoughts are put into sequence, how different points of view confront each other and how the pieces manage to find their place in the multidimensional puzzle of reality. That's why we consider this show grounded in real life: because real life doesn't follow a script, we may try but we most often fail to fit its bits in specific categories. And that's what destabilises us.
So what I mean to say is, it doesn't matter so much how Whiterose's supposed machine might actually work, or even whether it actually existed or not. What matters is, time, history and reality are a mess however you look at them. The best accomplishment you can achieve is to make sense of yourself and find wholeness in your own mind.
@@pirimpallopirimpalli4932 For some reason I think this complex gibberish you wrote there is gonna be the most satisfying conclusion to me. This show seriously messed me up inside, like I'm literally restless 😅 I just really wanted to see Elliott be "okay" in the end, understand himself, I still don't know if he does...
@@99xara99 it wasn't meant to be gibberish, but maybe everything we say always is.
Anyway, you yourself used quotation marks for "okay". What does it mean, to be "okay"? I think the point is that from the first time we saw Elliott he was always broken. The story ends when he makes himself whole again. Then, that's just the beginning for him. He might be happy or sad, brave or fearful, exceptional or ordinary. He'll be.
And there is the reference to CERN with some shots of the atom collider
The great balance between likes and dislikes, I like the theory