Rick Shiels went to LIV Golf - honest opinion!
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I went on Sunday with a friend and his two kids. Got to give it to Phil Mickelson, he loved my friends daughters high flyers shirt and when he finished his round came over and asked her a bunch of questions. Ended up giving her his worn glove signed, as well as signing her shirt, getting a photo and also ended up giving both kids a ball each. For a guy worth the amount of money that he has, he didn’t have to do all that, but showed real class in doing so
Phil is a class act, I can't tell you the countless times I've seen him do that.
I saw Phil stopping and giving two kids a ball each. Was a really nice touch. All the other players just walked on by. He was constantly saying hello, thumbs up and thanking fans.
Love phil, watching him win at muirfield was just perfection for me
Mid round on the 10th Sergio signed a ball and threw to my 8 yr old, shortly followed by Bryson specially came over to the side of the green to fist pump him and say hi - both class acts.
With that much money it's the least he can do. That and give yiu5a betting tip 😂
went to Adelaide all 3 days, spent all of day 2 at party hole (right behind the tee) was the best 3 days at sporting event ever.......
I thought the music would be super annoying, but when I was there i actually enjoyed it. It adds to the atmosphere. Infact the 8 of us that went really really enjoyed the day. We didn't find the gaps between players an issue at all, but we followed groups around and would switch to another group on adjacent holes. My take away was: it's heaps better live than on TV. I personally enjoyed it more than all the DP/Euro tour events I've been to. Atmosphere was on par with a sunday at the last open I attended.. but more relaxed. I'd definitely go again as the golf was bloody great (which is why we all go to events in the first place)👍
LIV is a different product, that is fan focused....maybe Rick's pod cast viewers can give pros and cons of his show
Music always seems louder on TV. In person it is nice. Good call.
I mute the TV when I watch Liv, music is annoying, it's just too loud. I heard it was £10 for a bloody hot dog🤯
Especially as most of the music is crap 😂
I think you missed a big plus -- all the players are in the same conditions playing at the same time. No one is advantaged because they had an early tee time when the wind was light and the greens were soft or disadvantaged by a late time when the wind was howling and the greens were hard -- IMO.
Good point that.
what's golf w/o rub of the green?
Excellent point
Agree ... been saying that from the start ... everyone plays in the same conditions. Must be easier from a broadcast perspective.
Rick mentioned this in the Ian poulter pod cast
I went to LIV on Sunday General Admission ticket. It was really busy. While there weren't any general public grandstands around the course there was a small one behind the 1st tee that I went on. Also there was quite a large general public grandstand behind the 18th that I got onto no problem to see the last 5 or 6 groups come through. Loved the music, and general chilled out atmosphere. I walked the course backwards so saw all the players and then got a space in the granstand on 18. Only complaint- not enough food stalls. The queues for the food were crazy long.
Hi Rick, I met you there Friday we had a brief chat and fist pump, great to see you and Guy there. I took my family and my wife , 8 year old and 20 year old loved it , especially the music , their first time at a gold event and really loved the vibe, great atmosphere. Final comment how good is cam Smith class act ❤
I completely agree. Being at a Liv event in person is totally different from TV. And it is FUN. 👍
I can't believe Rick has never been to a PGA event! That was the biggest mind blow for me in this episode.
Thats one issue with the PGA... the pga doesnt go overseas and they need to.
When Guy and Rick speak about the PGA it is evident by their general knowledge of players that they hardly watch PGA tour events.
They used to go to Asia pre- covid
@@mastnasty2861 Same could also be said of their comments on any tour. They have stated many times they barely watched any golf. Yet people still think their opinions matter. Even after visiting LIV, you can see how hard to is for Rick to leave his biases, and reverse his brain from the propagandizing, to still give an objective set of opinions on it. What do you think the quality is when they don't watch or go to the other. He goes to the Open a few times and thinks he know anything.
@@mastnasty2861I mean Rick is owned by Performance 54 who do all the PR for LIV, there’s a reason he’s never been to PGA events, he’s been paid to his “review” this week, they need positive PR.
I went to LIV Adelaide and it was fantastic, I hope they bring many more editions down under
In regards to the experience of general admission fans, I went to LIV DC and the access I got to players both at the driving range and along the course was incredible. I had been to 2 PGA events in years prior, one a FedEx Cup playoff, and the access and experience I had at LIV blew those out of the water. I suppose player access depends on the course you attend but I can say for sure that LIV DC was the closest I ever got to players.
Timestamps
0:00 -> 0:46 : Intro
0:47 -> 2:40 : Talking About LIV Golf
2:41 -> 3:43 : Talking about US Women's Open
3:45 -> 5:34 : Back to LIV Golf again
5:35 -> 34:00 : Pros and Cons of LIV Golf
34:01 ->37:07 : Last big Con
37:08 -> 37:16 : Summary of LIV Golf
37:17 -> 37:42 : Outro
Thanks :)
0000 to the end: talking shit
@@aaronwhitcher257 why you here then
A lot of the negatives you mentioned were based on the space available at Centurion, we didn’t have that issue at Adelaide so the venue seems to have the biggest bearing on that. You nailed the atmosphere vibe: it’s as much a a party as it is a major golf event. It’s a lot of fun
I'm hoping it means cam is getting his eye in to defend! Liv doesn't set my world on fire but alot of the pga and euro events don't either.
Well said, there's a lot of PGA events that are of no real significance to me and just don't interest me. The team element on the weekend was actually exciting for once and could have been amazing if it was a team play off. Looking forward to supporting Cam and the other Aussies at the Open
I went with my 77 year old Dad and 5 year old son and had the best time . Exceeded all expectations
Gz on the launch of your new channel Rick , much love from across the pond
Guys sickness bug is actually a huge hangover 😂 hope you get better soon Guy. Excellent solo episode Rick.
I found taking a device with you where you can follow the action on UA-cam helped you keep track of the score. Maybe take a 4G or 5G capable tablet with plenty of battery helped you keep track of all the players and scores on the day. Mobile reception is generally pretty good at Centurion.
Generally a really fun event. The only negative for me was getting out of the carpark on the Sunday which was really chaotic and took about an hour to get out due to lack of organisation.
I'm definitely going next year!
I loved being at the LIV event, was great to meet you and Guy!
This is very helpful being somebody who has really only heard from people who don’t like live. And again thanks for all you are doing rick.
I went for the first time. I was sceptical but it was fun. Great atmosphere and the golf was class.
Always a pleasure to watch your video's Rick get well soon Guy wishing you a speedy recovery
Give it time to call it event with "history". I'm happy that We have another competitor , as competition = healthy!
Im like your self rick brought up on traditional golf and was very unsure of liv at the start and still am but listening to this has opened my mind a little and mabey ready to give it a chance and see what its really like
Honestly, all the controversy aside, I'm glad there are these two type of events. I try to think of an analogy to compare both and its hard but to me, it feels as if going to LIV is much more like your average premiere league game while PGA is the Champions League quarter finals etc. Both have merit, both really cool and both I would like to attend!
Great video Rick, very fair and very insightful. Never been to a LIV event, but now I’d love to check one out.
I appreciate your perspective man. Haven’t gotten the chance to attend yet but excited for the opportunity
Team Range Goat here though
well I WATCH ALL LIV GOLF I AM 78 BEEN PLAYING GOLF FOR 40 YEARS I HAVE WATCHED PGA FOR YONKS BUT NOW ITS JUST BOARING AND WHY NOT ENOUGH STARS LIV IS JUST THE OPPOSITE STARS EVERYWHERE AND THE COMPOTITION IS FANTASTIC THE MAJOURIES ARE GREAT THEY WOULDENT BE IF PGA HAD THEIR WAY IT WOULD BE JUST ANOTHER BOARING PGA COMP THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE MAJOURS KNOW IF THEYBANNED LIV THEY WOULDENT HAVE A MAJOUR SIMPLE AS THAT END OF
Holy smokes are you having a stroke
Rick, I enjoyed your commentary. I like watching LIV. It’s new and I believe will get better with time and adding more players. It attracts new people to the game of golf. Probably those that enjoy the day with friends and sport. The highly competitive enthusiast will probably not be drawn in.
Rick, that was a fantastic assessment of the tournament. Only thing I think you’re missing on is from the perspective of a fan who has been watching now for a year. Personally, I think it does mean something as to who wins and I think the teams are more involved and excited than you may think. But I understand how it may only appear that the four or five top teams who are actually in contention for into the whole team aspect of things. Otherwise I 100% agree with you. And thank you.
100% agree with this. I've been following from the start and the results mean something to me. Having a team to cheer for is awesome. I thought the finals series last year was fantastic and I can't wait for this year's finals. Being an Aussie it was awesome to see the Rippers so close this week. I attended all 3 days in Adelaide and it was the best golf event I've been to and I will be going every year!!
YES! I was kind of against the team aspect until I watched this one. When Cam missed that putt to tie it for the team play, even though he was ahead solo, I felt that.
In Ricks defense… it hasnt been until recently that he felt ok to attend a LIV event. I am sure the “Old Guard” has scared him off from attending a LIV event. And most certainly ( in a business that depends on online views) he has probably been compelled up to this point to not give his real opinion.
Thanks for stepping out from behind the wall Rick!! I really enjoyed your first genuine opinions of LIV.
Rick, I think you lost perspective talking about general admission experience verses hospitality, that's the whole point of investing in hospitality. General admission for this event was about £36. Compare that to the F1 or Wimbledon. I think we should be applauding the fact that they are making it accessible and fans get up close to the players. Another petty comment was the scoring. Is it really any harder to understand than any other golf tournament where you would likely be also watching on a phone, lets not forget LIV+ is free to watch and live. If you are going to review the LIV experience, try and remain impartial, that way it will come across far more credible.
Also agree, I think Rick feels that way because he hasn’t been invested in it.. I went to the first day in London last year and have been invested since and the winner and even team winners means something to me, maybe not as much as a designated PGA event, but I still do care, and the players definitely do.
Great review Rick, really helped me to understand what I've been watching
It’s impressive how Rick always sneaks in an additional syllable in Louis Oosthuizen!
I think this was a great idea Rick. The only way to give a true and honest opinion is to have experienced it yourself. I also think you did a great job of giving us the pros and cons of the experience. You have been nothing but honest about the LIV since day one and that is refreshing. I value your thoughts on all things golf, from LIV to club reviews, and that is because we can always count on you being brutally honest and unbiased. SHIELS ARMY!!!!!!!!! LETS GO!!!!!
The Tulsa Oklahoma LIV event was absolutely flawless. It was held at my home club Cedar Ridge, site of the 1983 USGA Women's Open, and the event's execution was absolutely phenomenal. And, it was near full capacity all week.
Was also there on Friday, loved everything about it. Just something to note, there was a stand open to general admission ticket holders on the 18th green with a great view of the action.
I think Rick just hasn't got LIV yet probably because he hasn't watched it like many of us do every event
Good point that. I feel more connected after every event. For example, will Taylor Gooch be great again! You stick with LIV it grows on you
Rick had to do a 180 with all the negative media spin he's had to repeat over the last year. It's safe for him to be possitive about LIV now.
@@doug8515clutching pearls about Saudi money
Just watched it there, that was a brilliant review of LIV from an honest and personal perspective, can’t wait to hear Guys take. The concert sounds class because after a few race meetings I was at, there were concerts and they were brilliant. Love to see a live podcast in Ireland lads ❤️🙏
I went on Saturday and loved it! Definitely back next year
My son and I was there on Friday, thanks for the pic Rick. You summed up LIV perfectly here, it felt a little weird to us, much different to the Belfry the week before. But enjoyed seeing some top players that only play the open. Got lots of pics of my son with big names, just disappointed DJ disappeared after playing, but a fist pump on the 1st tee was appreciated. Also a big negative for us, Phil was very evasive at the end and desperately avoided photos and autographs from a lot of fans, obviously need to wear his merchandise to get noticed. Top marks to all the other players for taking time to pose for photos and sign autographs for many of us. Glad you enjoyed and gave others an honest opinion of your day out.
Love your show, thank you for all you do for the sport of golf. As I was listening today and you were talking about the LIV team component, it seemed to my ears you were concluding that these individuals had not played teams as much... What about High school, College, Ryder Cup, just to name a few, and the list goes on. Keep pounding Rick💪
Glad you mentioned Charlie Hull last round at the US Open. She played so well. Hopefully good sign for the British Open
I watched the ending live in Australia , man I was on the edge of my seat with leishman and cam smith coming up the 18th… And seeing Cam miss that putt was heart breaking
Hello Rick. This may be lengthy so please forgive me at the start. As you were describing your experience at the LIV Golf event in London I was struck at how much it was not just a tournament, but an exhibition of golf very similar to a tournament held in Oregon from 1986-2002. The tournament was the Fred Meyer Challenge put on by Peter Jacobsen aka Peter’s Party. Like LIV they drew a field of both top notched golfers of the day (Payne Stewart, Davis Love III, Sir Nick Faldo, Sergio Garcia, Ernie Els, Greg Norman, Brad Faxon, Phil Mickelson, John Daly, David Duval, etc. etc.) They also brought in some of the O.G.s Chi Chi Rodriguez, Lee Trevino, Jack Nicklaus, and Arnold Palmer. There was also a pro-am to start the first day (Glenn Frey, Huey Lewis, Hootie and the Blowfish, Kevin Bacon, etc.) It was a three day event, the first day being the Pro-Am. The second day was the tournament itself. This like LIV was a team event, but only a team of two golfers playing best ball. There was a fan village, a concert at the end (Hootie and the Blowfish played one year, but there was always a top notch performer for the concert every year) And toward the end of each day you could hear music playing throughout the course. Also like LIV, you could get up very close and hear the conversations and stories, not only between the caddies and players, but the players themselves. The spectators were so close that we could, on occasion, interact with the players as well. One of my fondest memories is of a small child, maybe 8 or 10 years old, looking up at Fred Couples as he was about to tee off on the fourth hole and ask loudly “Are you a professional golfer?” And watching the whole crowd erupt in laughter. Freddie laughed and then proceeded to hit a wonderful tee shot. The one thing the Fred Meyer Challenge had was a clinic at the start of each day of the tournament, where there were demonstrations and instructions by the professionals, ending with Peter’s impressions of some of the golfers and their swings. So many great memories. Like the LIV golf event you attended and the Fred Meyer Challenge, there was no shortage of great golf, and the fan experience was great, and while we pulled for our favorite golfers and their team, it was not the same feeling as during any of the regular PGA or LPGA Tour and even USGA events I have attended. Those events seem to have a gravity to them that does not lend itself to light banter, or casual focus of either the players or spectators. I think both have a place in golf, and I would like to see more of the Fred Meyer type events held. That said, given the choice of which would I would like to have as a regular diet of golf viewing, I would take the meat offered by the PGA, LPGA, DP World Tour.
A link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Meyer_Challenge
I thought you had excellent analysis. I am 73 and went to LIV Tulsa, also on Friday. I was General Admission so experienced a lot of the things you talked about. I went straight to the driving range so I was able to pick my spot behind Bubba’s sign with a good vantage point for warm ups. I feel the atmosphere is aimed at the much younger than me crowd. I love golf and have no problem with their end purpose. My purpose was entertainment. I attended the PGA and do agree it had a completely different atmosphere but being a volunteer I had much more access. Once again you were spot on with both Positives and Negatives and definitely fair. Thanks! 37:42
“My co host Guy was unfortunately hit…” got me scared there with your wording there Rick
good point about "it didnt matter who won" but it is only a year old you can't have history in such a short time, it may take five years or more, but one thing is true it has opened golf to a much wider audience
I am glad you are seeing how the team thing is different but the LIV team concept is fun and makes for a totally different fun dynamic.
I went on the Sunday it was my 1st LIV event, it was definitely an eye opener. I agree with all your points. must say i really enjoyed it.
An early episode 😍
Hope you’re feeling better soon Guy!
The players are definitely into the team side of it. They were showing genuine emotions on the last team when they were making birdies for their team even if they were not still in with a chance for the solo victory
What i love about your opinions is they are very fair!
I just went to the LIV event at the Greenbrier here in West Virginia. I really enjoyed it. Loved the shotgun start..we followed 5 groups around the whole day. We saw all the players we were excited about and saw them play par 3s as well as them hitting drivers. Dechambeau is impressive with a driver in his hands, when he hits the ball it just sounds different. I thought the music was actually pretty cool..the atmosphere could not have been more different than the pga events ive been to. Overall i enjoyed the day and would def go again.
Thanks Rick for that first line Information.Listen to all your content.You need a lot of free time to manage this,but its Worte it!Thanks a lot🙏🙏🙏
From Adelaide. Went to LIV Saturday. Rick is correct re the cream of the crop playing. Without LIV we wouldn’t have seen this level of player down in Adelaide. Stood next to Phil, Brookes, Dustin etc. Was a fantastic experience including the hole in one on the watering hole.
Great video and agreed on most points. I went with my Dad Sunday. We followed Polts and Westy and Matt Jones. Was great to watch them up close and we got into cheering team Majestics😊 and Polts as he had a great round. It did start to mean something and certainly more than the John Deer Classic which really as a tour event it's a more fair comparison than the Open or Master's etc. The only negative for us was the pricey hospitality. I think it's the future of non championship golf. We called 20/20 golf. Much fun. Great video thanks for sharing.🤟
The Saturday was incredible tbf, amazing golf, Alesso set after the golf. I didn’t know what to expect but came away from it having had an amazing time 👍
As a past member at Firestone G&CC in Akron, Ohio I heard the following story. Phil was a frequent attendee at the World Golf Event - NEC Invitational held at Firestone. However, one year he could not play in the event; but, still sent a $1,000. cheque as a tip to the locker room staff! Very thoughtful.
It's interesting, the whole 'it doesn't mean anything and you're not invested in a particular team' narrative, and I can understand that from a US or UK perspective. As an Australian, it's very easy to be invested in Ripper GC as it's the Aussie team. As for the tournament not meaning anything, I do agree. You could make an argument that the John Deere Classic doesn't mean anything either, other than players trying to qualify for majors. And therein lies the problem, ranking points and qualification for majors is needed to elevate LIV to have greater meaning. What comes next with LIV and PGA Tour is going to be fascinating
Well said 👊🇦🇺
32:00 Sounds like you’re describing the Phoenix Open! That’s exactly what it is , loud , chaos , boos etc super fun
LIV Adelaide was elite. Amount of ELITE players was awesome. Could watch 5 holes at once with the setup of the course. So good
Adelaide looked a blast just watching on TV.
I love the shotgun starts and agree that it makes the time spent viewing much easier and more convenient. As far as the "viewing" convenience and experience, that would change from venue to venue. Some clubs would offer (or have available) more room for fans to see the range and certain holes. Living in Hawaii, I've been to (and volunteered at) the Sony Open, the Champions Tour event at Hualalai and the LPGA Cup Noodle tournament at both Kapolei GC and Ko'Olina GC and it's very easy to watch the pros on the range and on most holes on the course, and especially, coming up the 18th hole.
Went to the Liv London event on the Saturday, and despite the weather had a great day! First live golf event and even non golfers came with us and had an amazing time. Plonked ourselves on hole 3, about 5 foot from the pin, saw everyone and it was top class. Would 100% go again. Just wish the cost of food and drinks was lower! £9 for a pint! Worst bit of the day, although didn’t stop me enjoying the day!
Rick, Thanks for an honest opinion. Unlike the one we get from the media.
Really enjoyed your analysis
This was my first golf event. I thought it was very good. Good atmosphere. Also bumped into you
The team merch surprised me too, it was much more involved than I expected.
I think the access issues for the driving range and other areas was more a specific issue for that course. When I was at the Tulsa event anyone could go right up to the range, practice greens and most areas of the coarse. It was cool because there was a lot of interaction between the players and fans with many pros just chatting with people. On day 2 after Phil finished his round I saw him just hanging around at his finishing green chatting with people and signing autographs. I saw the same with other players also.
And I for one-love the teams drawn idea. In golf, nothing is guaranteed-yes there may be odds but it's never guaranteed.
LIV Bringing more young people to the game. Some traditional golf can be abit stuffy. Everyone should feel like they can play this great game from any back ground. I now prefer UA-cam golf to pro tour golf
Sometimes I enjoy rounds posted by my internet acquaintances and other content creators more than the weekly tournament.
Interesting observations, some I support some are just timing of one day/one tournament. I have been to 3 Bangkok, Adelaide and Singapore. I also go to traditional golf tournaments or the eaten out shell of these events PGAT left we Australians. You went to an odd day of team play where the players were together, I don't think this works as well as normal mixed days. That said there are teams that are massively and I mean massively in sync, inc the Aussies, the SouthAfricans, the 4 Aces, The LATAM boys, the spanish Fireballs, The Majesticks, and range goats. To be fair they are the ones with the big personalities and real team leaders. And that is the tough part to star in LIV the players have to have personality to give in a crowd that is a more active part of the event (and not just a loud mouth American screaming get in the hole on a par 5). I think it will evolve to either 54 players or 72. I think the lesser 15-20 players currently will be paid out and return to the tour. But the concept will thrive and it will be a defacto global tour. Not replacing majors or Players but being a vehicle to grow the game globally, much as 20/20 cricket has done. There will always be a place for the traditional thermos drinking oldies and the anoraks at the masters, but golf has denied the best players to 95% of the world. PGAT as an American audience corralled the best of the best with money and OWGR points, Europe was reduced to the Open, a couple of Rolex events (often as warms up to the open) and the Ryder Cup every 4 years. LIV will I think evolve into 10-12 events a year, spread over more of the year to take advantage of climate vs the congested European summer, the team will increasingly be country and region specific, and will give a boost to golf federations that were drained by the PGAT. I.e. Sunshine tour, for us in ANZ, the Asian tour etc (it will means some players can stay on and play local events to support these tours as Cam and Co did over christmas this year. With consistent events and well selected venues the tournaments will grow, but I agree they need naming rights sponsors rather than being exact replicas of each other (the organisation is very good, but they need some personality as venues and events, which the fans are already doing the crowd in Oz passionate as was Spain, all be it they were consistent to country). At the end of the day I have always done general admission, in Singapore and Thailand that got you awesome spots everywhere in front of the elevated seats, in Adelaide because of the bigger crowd there was more segregation, but general admission tickets are more like 1990's prices so you cannot complain. Driving range and the like are a function of the size of the venue. People need to see LIV/PIF as an addition to the sport not competition to the existing. I do think however like 20/20, fans will vote with their feet and wallets, and the team part and the merch sells out everywhere, I think the majors, Players and some of the other big events are safe, but LIV with more big name players, tighter teams and a fair crack at TV networks, will make a lot of the current PGAT/DP tours clear second string events, given it is shared newco that should help keep the PGAT well funded. The big names will certainly be the winners in the new world, but with that will come the need for personalities, not sure the Justin Thomas's of this world or even Rory will do as well Phil and Bubba in the media scrum. Golf like F1 is morphing from a sport only to a social media product where the personalities become as critical as the stopping power of a 6 iron........... There is a lot of cirque du soleil in the LIV product and it works.
LIV should be the global golf part of NewCo....the teams event will only get bigger....and LIV is an event..not just a golf tourney...
Fabulous overview 100% agree - as for Rick not caring who won - or what's the point - maybe he would have felt different if he had lived in Australia Spain, South Africa, India as Cam, Louis or Sergio winning for most of us - is a big deal. 🏌️♀️👊
@@tonychadwick3776 Rick doesn't get it...its entertainmnet
I loved your take on this. Seems very fair and honest. I personally have given up on all professional golf since the merger announcement. I love watching your channel instead. Keep up the great work.
I can concur about the concert at a golf tournament. There is a Champions tour event in my hometown (Grand Blanc, MI). Used to be the Buick Open on the regular tour. Every year there is a big concert on Saturday night. They get good acts. It's a hit.
I think this is a very fair review of going to a live LIV event. Very well thought out Rick 👍🏻
I thought it was funny that Ricks one negative about gaps in play was something I liked when I went to LIV in Washington DC. The gap in play gave our group a chance to run to grab some food or beer and use the restroom without missing any action.
Rick, liv email you times of when it starts. Then you get leaflet when you get in, which tells you where everyone was
The first tee was also open to all fans
when liv gets ranking points it will only grow stronger
Great episode and loved the comments on LIV.
Really appreciate what feels like a non-biased objective attempt to give an opinion about these events. Its a very spicy topic in the golf world but i really enjoyed the direct facts only bits of what was good and what was bad. Based on this data i can definitely say if a LIV event came to Wisconsin i'd go. Sounds like a good time.
Absolutely 💯 my take on it too. I went to Adelaide earlier in the year.
You nailed it Rick with your opinion 🤩👌🏻
I was there and I was lucky enough to be there for the Pro-AM on Thursday, all the players and others were up for a chat, I spent a few minutes with DJ chatting on the first fairway and a few others, most of the pros taking time to give tips to others!
Friday I was luckily enough to have pretty much access anywhere and I agree it was more aimed at hospitality and not the general public, however if you get out towards 9,10,11 you can get within touching distance of the players!
Rick calling it a "flash dance" is just so funny to me 😂 there flashing people over there? Lol
Been concerts at the Australian open tennis for years when the outdoor courts finish. It helps that the tournament is walking distance to the city.
I’ve been a fan of golf forever now and a of LIV from the beginning. I agree with Rick on just about ever pro and con. I think the pros out weigh the cons, the atmosphere and the ability to follow my favorite golfers and being so close to them compared to a PGA event was just awesome!!
I would love to see a LIV event for the love of golf, but I do agree... if it doesn't have history or meaning it falls short of the tour events. With so many South Africans in LIV I would expect them to host a tournament here in SA. Let's hope and see.
It's like Man City with the football. It just doesn't mean anything, it's just hollow & all a bit meaningless. Just a shrug of the shoulders when they win their next inevitable trophy.
I appreciate Rick's positives and negatives of LIV London. I hope to attend LIV Miami and see how it is.
First tee first day… Rick was standing right by us. I didn’t ask for a picture but there he was with Guy watching Greg Norman and Cam Smith.
Interesting to hear how it was in London. Adelaide had all the pros but only really two of the negatives: need more players and some of the teams don't seem to be fully in the team spirit yet.
I can see the meaning thing as well, but that wasn't a big thing for me and it will come over time.
Most of the negatives at London that weren't at Adelaide seem to be related to space and facilities. Lots of space in Adelaide, lots of hospitality, GA areas, good options, etc.
Will be interesting to see what happens with Liv, I really hope they are smart with it and turn it into the F1 of golf!
4 guys played at my course, Ingrebourne Links in Essex and had time for a couple of beers before heading to LIV London
A great listen/watch.
LIV is growing the game and opening the sport to new markets. No point pitching golf to the traditionalists who’ve been to 20-30+ Opens and won’t be with us in 20 years.
Outside of the tradition of the majors, it’s largely about entertainment going forward.
Your best point was about the shortage of players. Definitely felt this when on course at Adelaide. Solution would appear to be 64 players - sixteen teams of four which would fit comfortably onto the course and eliminate the awkward gaps in play. Two separate shotgun starts (morning and afternoon groups) would defeat the purpose of having all players experiencing the same conditions at the same time.
Always a pleasure to live through your experiences, speedy recovery Guy. 🤘
It was a big weekend for sport in UK with Wimbledon, F1 and Ashes cricket
WELL LOOK WHO IS HOPPING ON THE LIV COAT TAIL !
I too went on Friday and I agree with a lot of your points. Good atmosphere. Even with the top players, there wasn't crowds of 6 and 7 deep with blokes walking round with bottle crates or stepladders trying to get a better view. The amount of shoving and barging that goes on at events like the PGA at Wentworth are annoying. The music was great. Coordinated throughout the whole course. Not overly loud either. They had a lot of stuff for the kids to try out. There were lots more kids than you'd usually see at a golf tournament. A lot of the players were really engaging with the kids and fans too which was good to see. Great golf course with some really good viewing points. Lots of places to get food, drink etc. Water stations on course too. The players being driven to the tees in London black cabs was a nice touch too. Merch was a bit overpriced for what it was. The local infrastructure was not conducive to holding a large golf tournament. A single A road between St Albans and Hemel Hempstead is not sufficient. You can't walk to the golf course as the roads have no pavements and it is a BUSY road. The pickup areas could be made better too. It just said Taxis. No one knew if taxis were just going to pull up like they do at railway stations or people had too book taxis/ubers. Most of them had to be re-directed to the pickup point as they went to the front door of the golf club, only to be turned away by security. The reason why most probably don't care is there is no real investment in teams at the moment. If they had an individual season-long league as well as a team league I think this would be better. There did look like quite a few players were just going through the motions and plodding their way round.
Are driving ranges usually accessible because I didn't see public access for the one at the Belfry the other week but was nice to be able to see the players at LIV although the viewing area was limited but still good to see
just sold it to me, in my opinion we have to move with the times, specially golf, remember the time when ladies were not allowed on the course! i actually watched it for the 1st time on youtube and really enjoyed it. i play myself and think that golf is very stuck old ways of thinking still. we have to make golf more fun Love the team aspect and this will also get all types of people more involveded in golf rather than the Avater you described that watches the Open. Great show thank you
Worth noting that Rick went on the Friday. I was also there. When I watched the weekend rounds on UA-cam it was apparent that most spectators went on the Sunday, massive crowds versus the Friday
As of most events that are over several days, most will be there at weekends. Some DP events are dead on Thursday and Friday
That’s exactly it Doug…. Rick didn’t clarify he went the Friday and not the Sunday. I’m glad I went Friday as we got around the course easily and were close to the players. Sunday looked jammed in comparison.
I was lucky enough to attend LIV Tulsa and it was awesome. I did splurge on the club 54 which was expensive, but in my opinion worth it. Atmosphere was amazing. The DJ never let the vibe get boring. Played all the right songs to keep it up beat and fun. Just an all around really cool experience that I would definitely do again if I had the chance
I think the team identity and significance could partly be resolved by pushing the nationality of each team more…. Giving it an Australian vs South After vs England etc etc vibe
The people running it are pushing communism though and the destruction of national identities, especially any type of racial cohesion in European countries. I don't think they are going this way...but they should.
ive said the same. if you park it at a hole you'll have several gaps during the time without seing shots. room for about 2-4 more teams. without play delay
You should compare how the LIV event measures against a visit to TPC Scottsdale for the Waste Management. Its super loud and similar to being a "rowdy" event.
I really enjoy LIV. Love the team aspect. When something is new it takes time to build up some history and weight in their tournaments. I think a lot of issues in London had to due with venue size.
It was fun to watch and then I went to Miami for the team championship and it meant something. Come to Miami 🥳