Batman creates kryptonite rain to take down the Kryptonians

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  • @josephregalado9798
    @josephregalado9798 17 днів тому +437

    Clark: it’s a very rare rock.
    Batman: Rare my ass everyone has one, a purse snatcher the other day had like 3 of them.

    • @menacingbread7909
      @menacingbread7909 16 днів тому +43

      Batman: It used to be just the green one but now there's all these other ones.
      There's the red one
      The black one...
      _The pink one?_

    • @RandomMackem0069_Official
      @RandomMackem0069_Official 16 днів тому +37

      Clark: We don’t talk about the pink one

    • @Cosmo234-fz3jl
      @Cosmo234-fz3jl 15 днів тому +21

      Flash: he’s got you there clark

    • @thegojishow5462
      @thegojishow5462 15 днів тому +17

      Like your any better, One of your greatest enemies freezes the floor and you go flying... Your a seasonal superhero

    • @Galaxynovacorps
      @Galaxynovacorps 15 днів тому +14

      ​@@thegojishow5462 and you! Your weakness is the color yellow

  • @valen2040
    @valen2040 15 днів тому +187

    I love the fact that Bruce made Clark's armor have his hairstyle 🤣

    • @sleepyboi5804
      @sleepyboi5804 15 днів тому +16

      He a real bro for that, that's for sure

  • @JohnSmith-or8rh
    @JohnSmith-or8rh 21 день тому +569

    And THIS is one of the MANY reasons that I've stopped reading DC Comics: Kryptonite is now more available than than bottled water. It also appears that +90% of Kryton's planteary debris has inexplcably landed on Earth instead of being disbursed througout the Universe. At this point, DC Comics Earth should just be called "New Krypton". SMH.

    • @ChocolateEffigy
      @ChocolateEffigy 21 день тому +51

      Jfc nobody cares. Read your marvel slop then. Which BTW has adamantium among other things always readily available. At least read why they have it before embarrassing yourself

    • @DouglasW116
      @DouglasW116 21 день тому +57

      from what i recall, in this timeline, superman has destroyed most of the known kryptonite, batman only has a small amount of a synthetic version he aquired to fight superman years prior, the rain itself had a very low concentration, hell they were soaked and soon could fly again.

    • @JohnSmith-or8rh
      @JohnSmith-or8rh 21 день тому

      @@ChocolateEffigy Lol! What a big baby you are! So if you "don't care", why are you even responding to my post? Go and change your diaper and chill. 🍼🚼😆

    • @JohnSmith-or8rh
      @JohnSmith-or8rh 21 день тому

      @@ChocolateEffigy Lol! What a big baby you are! So if you "don't care", why are you even responding to my post? Go and change your diaper and chill. 🍼🚼😆

    • @JohnSmith-or8rh
      @JohnSmith-or8rh 20 днів тому

      @@ChocolateEffigy Lol! What a big baby you are! So if you "don't care", why are you even responding to my post? Go and change your diaper and chill. 🍼🚼😆

  • @divineshrek3307
    @divineshrek3307 15 днів тому +104

    "Batman created radioactive, cancerous rain."

    • @NefariousMasterMind11
      @NefariousMasterMind11 11 днів тому +10

      Oh my gods
      He probably gave the entire planet cancer

    • @YoloTub3
      @YoloTub3 8 днів тому +7

      Now everybody's going to get bald like luthor

    • @MrNelahem
      @MrNelahem 7 днів тому

      lol this it causes cancer in humans ask lex luthor, Batman doomed the whole planet and they can just fly off planet.

  • @TheeSagittarius
    @TheeSagittarius 19 днів тому +112

    10:54 They put Trump in a DC Comic

    • @oldnoob1917
      @oldnoob1917 17 днів тому +10

      Lots of scum and slime in Batman comics

    • @dotdotdot5216
      @dotdotdot5216 17 днів тому +4

      There was also Barack Obama as well lol

    • @TheeSagittarius
      @TheeSagittarius 17 днів тому +2

      @dotdotdot5216 Well, I've been seen him in the DC Comics, it's actually a Superman made after him in a way.

    • @TheeSagittarius
      @TheeSagittarius 17 днів тому +3

      @oldnoob1917 😆 🤣 😂

    • @19Mustang71
      @19Mustang71 16 днів тому +3

      @@oldnoob1917 Your President :)

  • @FruityGroovy
    @FruityGroovy 5 днів тому +3

    Considering that Kryptonite is also toxic/radioactive to humans through long enough exposure, I don't think making what is essentially irradiated water fall from the sky was the best of Batman's plans

    • @axelwulf6220
      @axelwulf6220 3 дні тому +1

      I'm thinking a decade is long exposure
      The rain will wash away an like a week or so

  • @thegoofygoblin2081
    @thegoofygoblin2081 5 днів тому +3

    Gotham's citizens about to let out years of dealing with Jokers shenanigans onto these guys

  • @jeromeirving4770
    @jeromeirving4770 19 днів тому +32

    He said it in Dark Knight returns, he spent a fortune to make synthetic version that's just ascor more potent than the real thing

    • @MrNelahem
      @MrNelahem 7 днів тому +1

      he said he could have made it more potent didn't say it was more than the real thing.

  • @MrTxGames1998
    @MrTxGames1998 20 днів тому +38

    Oh I can't wait for the next part of this story

  • @joshuamontenegro4767
    @joshuamontenegro4767 20 днів тому +13

    this is pretty fire man, very interesting story. keep going man

  • @aa-uz5gv
    @aa-uz5gv 6 днів тому +4

    Bruce: And here's your helme-
    Clark: No. I want it to look like me.
    Bruce: What do you mean?
    Clark: My face. Make it that.

  • @DDayJayke
    @DDayJayke 4 дні тому +2

    I like how Batman enjoys having an angry mob on his side. Like for once he doesn't have to beat the shit out of them, and they get to beat the living shit out of another living being, infront of Batman, for free.

  • @iseehowitis9382
    @iseehowitis9382 13 днів тому +7

    Casually causing cancer, thanks batman

    • @jeremysorejian
      @jeremysorejian 5 днів тому +1

      I think that takes a while
      Still funny

  • @david7522
    @david7522 16 днів тому +18

    That superman helmet is hilarious

  • @axelwulf6220
    @axelwulf6220 3 дні тому +1

    Superman against Doomsday (first time) was DC jumping the shark
    You'd think by now there would be a new weakness to exploit
    Batman can come up with 30 billion different contingencies for his friends, but can't figure out how to keep a deranged clown from breaking free and destroying people

  • @617steveyboy
    @617steveyboy 14 днів тому +2

    I know this is just comics but the fact that Superman's helmet is illustrated to having has a jerry curl and no neck, is plain hilarious😂

  • @jackc5528
    @jackc5528 11 днів тому +2

    From Kryptonite gum kryptonite ring kryptonite gun to kryptonite rain.......i love it ❤

  • @IFeastOnGlue
    @IFeastOnGlue 20 днів тому +47

    Something that I find frustrating is that we know there are other methods of de-powering Kryptonians, like having a red sun
    If this was a rain that filtered the sun's light to have the same effect as a red sun, that would be pretty cool

    • @Ravencomics91
      @Ravencomics91  20 днів тому

      Hello! I'm not a full time UA-camr; I have a regular job and make these videos with the little time I have. If you enjoy the content, you're welcome here. Otherwise, there are plenty of other comic channels with real voiceovers that you can keep watching.

    • @IFeastOnGlue
      @IFeastOnGlue 19 днів тому +9

      ​@Ravencomics91 My comments were not about your voice overs

    • @davidtherwhanger6795
      @davidtherwhanger6795 18 днів тому +3

      I think in the past Lex Luthor has used a missile of some kind to make the Sun emit more in the Red part of the spectrum to have that effect. It would both be easier to send a single missile and temporarily make the entire Sun a weapon against the Kryptonians. The problem being it would effect Superman the exact same no matter what kind of suit he wore. But billions versus hundreds or thousands is not that much of a problem in my book.
      Alternatively a large filter array at the Sun/ Earth LaGrange 1 Point could make the emissions like a red sun indefinitely, but will have to be quite large and vulnerable to conventional attack.

    • @Kishin_junior
      @Kishin_junior 17 днів тому +3

      @@Ravencomics91 I think you replied to the wrong comment

    • @rockzen8050
      @rockzen8050 15 днів тому

      lmao water that filteres out the sun light man on man i know comics are drenched in BS science as its a comic but you just made a horses rear out of your self lol you mean like lead water? that would kill people? lol dip stick

  • @xgage24
    @xgage24 11 днів тому +5

    Isn't kryptonite cancerous to humans?

  • @ReyvadinTeamFort2
    @ReyvadinTeamFort2 2 дні тому

    "Kryptonite is very rare."
    Batman:

  • @madlaugher3300
    @madlaugher3300 17 днів тому +14

    From what I gather superman was experiencing true isolation hence why it seemed like centuries in there.
    True isolation is a living hell as it strips you of every sense making you unable to perceive the passage of time, your essentially a brain in a jar only capable of thinking
    Imagine experiencing true isolation, you can’t see, hear, taste, touch, smell or anything nor can you feel your own body move.
    Superman spent what he described as centuries yet shrugged it off as if it were nothing.
    A measly 10 seconds can feel like a day in true isolation cause again you have no way of telling the progression of time and can only think.

  • @Niko.one.shot.
    @Niko.one.shot. 18 днів тому +3

    Raven is my favorite character

  • @actionman9451
    @actionman9451 7 днів тому +1

    With how easy Kryptonite is to get hold of nowadays I wouldn’t be surprised if the little old lady from down the street couldn’t be a threat to Superman.

  • @chakishaalstork5185
    @chakishaalstork5185 2 дні тому

    Batman makes some of the most outlandish shit ever with kryptonite and sorry for my language in the comments

  • @SozOz-r6q
    @SozOz-r6q 2 дні тому

    "You have cancer."
    "....:("

  • @TheAarondl
    @TheAarondl 14 днів тому +2

    Nice armor half his face exposed.

  • @CNormanHocker
    @CNormanHocker 20 днів тому +3

    I wonder if they retcon that Kryptoians are not magic proof.

  • @ahicks3651
    @ahicks3651 20 днів тому +1

    Love this! Thanks!

  • @K.O.R.L
    @K.O.R.L 16 днів тому +1

    need the next this was great

  • @Konrad-r4j
    @Konrad-r4j 17 днів тому +1

    This is why you don't give batman powers or an army he will make feel everything

  • @yisraelcoachlamont
    @yisraelcoachlamont 15 днів тому +1

    When the writers run out of ideas

  • @davidbros3462
    @davidbros3462 11 днів тому +1

    Everyone is talking about how batman got this much kryptonite, but didn't he say that this kryptonite was synthetic? Like, made in a lab?

    • @malachiXX
      @malachiXX 8 днів тому +1

      Yeah and it took Bruce years and cost a fortune to synthesize a single arrow's worth for Oliver to use. Luckily Bruce had both. But again. That was enough for a single arrow. This comic is suggesting tons to make the rain work. Lousy writing and little imagination

  • @radbman5932
    @radbman5932 15 днів тому +1

    Congrats Batman. Now everyone will get kryptonite cancer like Lex

  • @alisonsmith4436
    @alisonsmith4436 16 днів тому

    Thank you so much 😊

  • @Helmutlozzi
    @Helmutlozzi 20 днів тому +21

    The cringe way the artists managed to push in Trump and Hillary in the story. Pure brainrot 😂

    • @lmbuckhalterjr6123
      @lmbuckhalterjr6123 19 днів тому +3

      So you never read the books that started it all where Superman was controlled by Ronald Reagan?

    • @Ron_DeForest
      @Ron_DeForest 19 днів тому

      @@lmbuckhalterjr6123
      While Ronald Reagan was a scumbag he was loved when he was included in a comic. Trump and Hillary aren’t.

    • @ReyvadinTeamFort2
      @ReyvadinTeamFort2 2 дні тому

      How is that brainrot?, comics have always been linked to politics and politicians. I mean, Captain America was literally created as WW2 propaganda.

  • @patrickx_roblox
    @patrickx_roblox 5 днів тому

    So youre telling me that a bright green rock that looks like pure radiation is now used to make rain?
    Nah thats crazy

  • @BestDemo55
    @BestDemo55 3 дні тому

    Kryptonite
    From the gum to the gun to the ring to the rain

  • @Korj666
    @Korj666 7 днів тому

    1:18 I was always irritated by how in the world of super technologies and mad scientists, characters with access to the latest scientific and mystical achievements and artifacts suddenly forgot about them when faced with a completely ordinary problem for an ordinary person; the author of the story believed that drama was needed here.
    In Marvel and DC, life as a cripple can only be a consequence of a conscious choice, but not despair. The case when people deprived of body parts, or even the whole body, could compensate for them with prosthetics/cybernetics/magic/cloning, is not even an exception but the norm.
    In recent years, every time I see new materials related to comics, they only upset me. That feeling as if the authors of the stories remained children, unable to grow up and learn something new.

  • @SuperMontsta
    @SuperMontsta 6 днів тому

    Kryptonite is radioactive. That's why Luther went bald, started affecting him. Superman absorbs radiation, hence why it affects him more. Good job on giving everyone on the planet cancer Batman!

  • @GodzillaInHellforbeingHIM
    @GodzillaInHellforbeingHIM 8 днів тому

    Don't do impossible stuff with the rarest material in the universe or draw 25
    Batman:

  • @Humpolot84
    @Humpolot84 19 днів тому +3

    BATMAN HAS THE BEST SUPERPOWER OF THEM ALL , COMICBOOK RICH !!!

  • @sinsanchez8158
    @sinsanchez8158 20 днів тому +1

    waiting for update. this fight will be insane

  • @Moe_Lester_fromUptwn
    @Moe_Lester_fromUptwn 14 днів тому

    Better than a golden shower. I guess.

  • @scarletfoxfrostnovember3407
    @scarletfoxfrostnovember3407 8 днів тому

    Same universe of dark knight returns?

  • @lightingdragon4143
    @lightingdragon4143 20 днів тому +17

    Okay seriously where the hell is batman getting all this goddamn kryptonite from. I thought this was supposed to be a rare stone.

    • @SSingh-nr8qz
      @SSingh-nr8qz 20 днів тому +9

      Synthetic is the new plot armor

    • @PrimarisDeiPrununs
      @PrimarisDeiPrununs 20 днів тому +5

      If a proper writer was hired, you would see how easily batman could fuck them up. People misunderstand prep time, batman has been secretly prepping for things like this well in advance, the writers have to ignore his methods in order to make the conflict work. There is a universe wherd he turned himself into doomsday, and his mind and fighting skills in that body tore superman apart, if he dropped his code and made the entire bat family's doomsdays..... well we all know what would happen.

    • @davidtherwhanger6795
      @davidtherwhanger6795 18 днів тому +2

      There's a funny video on UA-cam were this comes up in a discussion on weaknesses of the Justice League. Batman counters Superman's claim kryptonite is rare by stating something like 'Clark. I literally stopped a mugger yesterday who had a bag of the stuff.'

  • @attackofthecopyrightbots
    @attackofthecopyrightbots 16 днів тому

    i havent even read this but i knew it was from miller

  • @aftermath1886
    @aftermath1886 3 дні тому

    What is the name of the song?

  • @eatchickeninthekitchen8665
    @eatchickeninthekitchen8665 2 дні тому

    If this is the dark knight universe, than why is the armor so weak?

  • @plutobars7700
    @plutobars7700 13 днів тому

    It's funny how kryptonite is just so readily available and abundant on earth. Krypton blew up and was lightyears away, Superman only made it to earth because the ood he came in was programmed so how the hell did kryptonite just land on earth in such a large quantity. Makes absolutely no sense

  • @risunokairu
    @risunokairu 18 днів тому +1

    Flash has speed force healing.

    • @BigChungus-zg6zw
      @BigChungus-zg6zw 15 днів тому +1

      Wouldn't he just end up with his legs healing all malformed?

  • @armstrongedu
    @armstrongedu 19 днів тому +2

    Batman’s plot armor is unrelenting .

  • @KadeStringer2.0
    @KadeStringer2.0 16 днів тому

    I’m glad it’s not canon

  • @justrandom7752
    @justrandom7752 4 дні тому

    Lazarus pit 😂

  • @dj_justanotheruser_yt
    @dj_justanotheruser_yt 17 днів тому +2

    never expected to see DC Donald Trump

  • @BlueBerryGintako
    @BlueBerryGintako 16 днів тому

    power of MONEY

  • @bernisweltredsun1245
    @bernisweltredsun1245 20 днів тому +5

    The funny part is that Batman would not stand a few minutes if a Kryptonian decides to take him out - not to mention more than one! To Batmans defense one must say that he is the embodiment of plot armor. Leave me alone with "preparation time" and shit. Kryptonians are not dumb as well and if they would stop him he wouldnt have any time for "preparation". Sad but true.

    • @PrimarisDeiPrununs
      @PrimarisDeiPrununs 20 днів тому +3

      If a proper writer was hired, you would see how easily batman could fuck them up. People misunderstand prep time, batman has been secretly prepping for things like this well in advance, the writers have to ignore his methods in order to make the conflict work. There is a universe wherd he turned himself into doomsday, and his mind and fighting skills in that body tore superman apart, if he dropped his code and made the entire bat family's doomsdays..... well we all know what would happen.

    • @MrNelahem
      @MrNelahem 7 днів тому

      @@PrimarisDeiPrununs The point he is making it prep time doesn't mean much against an enemy that can move faster than you can think. Bats would be dead in a nano second. Before the signal from his brain moves to his hands to pull out the green stuff from his belt already dead.

    • @PrimarisDeiPrununs
      @PrimarisDeiPrununs 7 днів тому

      @@MrNelahem Unless prep time involved a failsafe to contact one or several other supermen, from another universe, timeline etc, or other super powered beings to even the playing field. Fuck he could find a universe where there is a kryptonian batman with his same code. You don't even need to match all of superman's power, flash is faster for example, so flash with kryptonite is a death sentence for superman. Or if batman stole teleport tech from any of the many villains who have that, to teleport kryptonite inside superman. Superman also doesn't do well with magic, so bats can easily hide his presence from supes that way as well, fuck throw Constantine in the mix as help and supes is in trouble.

    • @MrNelahem
      @MrNelahem 7 днів тому

      @@PrimarisDeiPrununsok when so we going to give superman prep time too. cause that is alot of what if going on in your post. If batman is going to have plot armor only fair to give it to superman also.

    • @PrimarisDeiPrununs
      @PrimarisDeiPrununs 7 днів тому

      @@MrNelahem Yes but the difference is batman preps in advance, superman can have prep time sure, but we know it wont be utilized well. Batman would most likely have these plans laid YEARS in advance.

  • @badman231177
    @badman231177 20 днів тому +1

    may i know where the saga's playlist is?

    • @Ravencomics91
      @Ravencomics91  20 днів тому

      ua-cam.com/play/PLsZbGrqmrGmFQ01b83J0b2Gb1WzzW5lUf.html
      sure

    • @badman231177
      @badman231177 9 днів тому

      @@Ravencomics91 Muchos gracias RC. Keep the amazing content coming...😃

  • @High-Pie_Chop
    @High-Pie_Chop 20 днів тому +3

    I can't be the only one who thinks that's Trump right? 10:54

    • @emeraldtabbycat148
      @emeraldtabbycat148 19 днів тому +3

      WTF did they need to include him in this comic?

    • @davidtherwhanger6795
      @davidtherwhanger6795 18 днів тому

      In one of the earlier videos to this there is a panel identifying him as Trump.

    • @rickravenrumney
      @rickravenrumney 17 днів тому

      Because he is a contemporary figure
      In the time period of which this comic takes place. Despite your thinly veiled hatred for the man, he and his supporters just pulled off the greatest political comeback in human history. So besides being the Former and up and coming US President, captain of indusrty, controversial TV sbow host. Who should have been in the panels in his stead?
      @emeraldtabbycat148

    • @rickravenrumney
      @rickravenrumney 17 днів тому

      😅

  • @ShadowEdits-2008
    @ShadowEdits-2008 10 днів тому

    Why they got Supes so.... chunky

  • @BigChungus-zg6zw
    @BigChungus-zg6zw 15 днів тому

    Nothing ruins escapism like hackneyed current day political messaging.

  • @ega1324
    @ega1324 5 днів тому

    Beeg rok sopurman 0:01

  • @KogleyBroDude
    @KogleyBroDude 21 день тому

    Is that flash barry? Or wally?

  • @calebacosta959
    @calebacosta959 19 днів тому +7

    That trump part of the panel shows you why dc and marvel are bleeding money lately.

    • @imnxsty6132
      @imnxsty6132 15 днів тому +1

      Who care abt him he is a criminal

    • @calebacosta959
      @calebacosta959 15 днів тому

      @ you should care. Our legal system could be weaponized against any of us. He’s the best choice we have right now for small government and individual liberty.
      The left wants to restrict the first amendment as well as the second. The reason most of the country voted for him and so many dems voted against their party is because they see the left is becoming totalitarian.

  • @Д.К-ж8ф
    @Д.К-ж8ф 5 днів тому

    weird ass batgirl outfit

  • @JOECURR1488
    @JOECURR1488 20 днів тому

    I KNOW EVERYTHING.
    EVERY SECRET.
    YOU MAY ASK 1 QUESTION OF ME.
    😊

    • @rdklarnet55
      @rdklarnet55 19 днів тому

      How long to perfectly roast cauliflower?

    • @JOECURR1488
      @JOECURR1488 19 днів тому

      @rdklarnet4120 DEPENDS ON FACTORS LIKE KNOWING YOUR HEATING ELEMENT.
      YOU ASK A QUESTION THATS EASY TO FIGURE OUT WITH JUST SOME TRIAL AND ERROR. PLUS DEFINE PERFECTLY ROASTED? ITS SUBJECTIVE.

  • @oscarinacan
    @oscarinacan 17 днів тому

    I can't block your channel fast enough. To have your title and thumbnail showing a very badass and pivotal thing. Thanks for the spoiler.

  • @jaydee8981
    @jaydee8981 7 днів тому

    You cant tell me thats not Trump 😮

  • @borkbarkbark
    @borkbarkbark 8 днів тому

    13:50 BABABOOEY????? TRUMP??

  • @dayvonlouis5187
    @dayvonlouis5187 9 днів тому

    This stupidity is just another form of Batman Bullshit it’s one thing to have a *couple* of stones made of Kryptonite which I have to remind people is harmful to other living organisms (not just Kryptonian) particularly humans to the point of causing cancer even when made synthetically a stupid plot in comics is still a stupid plot but come on man that on top of Superman surviving being encased in antimatter That’s just plain stupid even conceptually if one considers what antimatter actually does

  • @marshalltimmons7451
    @marshalltimmons7451 14 днів тому

    😂😂😂

  • @blakebowles7818
    @blakebowles7818 20 днів тому +1

    So…Batman just gave all of the survivors Cancer….great. Thanks for saving everyone Bats…

    • @annguyen-tr3ne
      @annguyen-tr3ne 20 днів тому

      Not really, only prolong expose to kryptonite cause cancer.

  • @PeterDivine
    @PeterDivine 15 днів тому

    Ohey, a Trump strawman insert, I'm sure glad _that_ won't age like milk.

  • @stevewall7044
    @stevewall7044 20 днів тому +7

    Its hillarious how Hillary and CNN are made out to look brave and positive.. in reality that kind of people would be the first to bend the knee... they bend it for regular humans already.
    And then they try to portray Trump as a coward, xD

  • @forgeteverythingyouknow5413
    @forgeteverythingyouknow5413 14 днів тому

    The language sounds like it was created by by AI. It's just not good. Not natural sounding. The music doesn't fit and I would not ever want to watch anything like this again. Boring Really? Really boring. Just turn off the sound and skip and read the comic.

  • @rastapig1
    @rastapig1 8 днів тому

    lmao what kinda weak writing is this?.....batman trying to save barry's legs? lmao even in the less detailed animation they show barry can heal himself....even in one of the animated movies superman stomped barry's leg and he was out for like what 5 minutes?....this is some kinda batman wanking writer crap lol

  • @Saulnotgoodmen
    @Saulnotgoodmen 11 годин тому

    Comics are dead

  • @bloodthedragon3788
    @bloodthedragon3788 11 днів тому

    Man dc and marvel fell off

  • @Malikye1201
    @Malikye1201 15 днів тому

    10:55 I'd love how they designed Trump😂😂😂😂 by the way congratulations Trump won the elections yay

  • @Kishin_junior
    @Kishin_junior 20 днів тому +1

    Considering how disrespectful Trump was to other world leaders and even threatening other leadets to comply...I find it difficult to believe he'd just be pro Kryptonian.

    • @neoreeves200
      @neoreeves200 7 днів тому

      He's Pro Evil Kryptonian or he's just pretending basically Trump is Just as bad as Lex Luthor