Thank-you as it was good to see this as i wanted to see how it worked instead of just reading about it as i have a good understanding what a straight arm takedown is. Thank-you. If you have one of a straight arm bar can you please let me know. Thanks. Take care.
@@coldlessons A lot of the videos seem to contradict advice too. One video for top mount armbar said mount high to pin them down and when locking armbar its ok to plant knees and lean forward in. Next video said if you do this to good grappling guy with experience he'll use center of gravity to throw you and be free. So IDK who to believe and am trying to watch more than one video at a time. Haven't had any pro training or practice but curious from watching kung fu and some training I did a long time ago when a family member competed in some combat sports. (the effort involved in just the conditioning turned me off of it at a young age and getting hit hurts badly). But now I am curious and want to learn and don't care about losing as much.
Ok thanks I'll watch. I'm pretty sure in a ring or octogon or place with ref and rules and bell most would submit before letting arm or elbow get broken. But if tweaking armbar in survival situation I agree with your thinking. It doesn't sound like a cool thing to break another person's bones but idk a safe way not to if letting go means he's going to do it to me. A lot of old Gracie fights the opponent is over confident because of size advantage. As soon as whichever Gracie gets them horizontal and low or on the ground it doesn't help the big dummies and they lose. They move fast and hard to see on old vhs rip but I've never come across video of any Gracie family member getting beaten completely to the point of losing.
@@coldlessons I read ya and fwiw I am not trying to compare the two venues and was deliberately mentioning them to show distinctiion, why I even added "with ref, etc". I know and that is my main interest in watching these videos because I am not a cop but growing up going out at night trying to have fun their were troublemakers who fought sometimes and even though I have never committed a crime police have treated me as a "perp" and legally beat the shit out of me for no reason on several non consecutive occasions. I have never worn a mouth guard, been in a ring, etc. As an adult I don't have hardly any threats of violence around me but when your a kid you can't choose your environment and fighting was everywhere. Once I got myself away I stopped persuing learning how to defend and lots of time has passed I still don't know anything.
@@coldlessons True and sad. There is also the issue of an altercation and legal issue where you are exonerated, but just the act of getting accused and booked and sitting in the can one night can ruin people business wise. You were right on about the neighborhood, I pay a little more than I can afford to live away from the areas with skyscrapers and gunshots. I wish I didn't have to ever be around or see anything like that unless I want to watch like you were saying combat sports or something fake in a movie. Even hunting animals I am repulsed by. Hitting paper or a soda can or something with a bullet doesn't seem anything bad but if you ever actually see what it does to something alive and full of blood and meat and bones and watch their face if you have a soul the soul hurts when it happens, if its you or someone else or happening to you or if you're doing it to someone else. I saw a vid on here, Krav Maga teacher saw 22 y/o muslim stab old Jewish lady in the back, and in chasing the terrorist down the street, he had to use his training to forget about the victim and actually jump over her in pursuit of stabby. He caught the guy alive and the old lady got patched up but only because the dude saw was ready and trained.
Was taught this ten years ago in academy. Completely impractical and unrealistic. Never successfully used in hundreds of dynamic encounters. This only works in a training capacity with no actual resistance. No offense to the instructors, but this needs to go away. Thankfully my agency transitioned to a practical BJJ approach.
You cops are way behind in training. Real BJJ should be required for all cops and at least for one year of rolling and really knowing how to maneuver. It helps to keep everyone safe.
That would never work on a trained wrestler. There is a similar, almost identical move in wrestling, but this move demonstrated in the video is designed to take down old ladies.
I've never seen someone counter an armbar take down in a proper manner without be toppled on top of. Is it possible, can you use you leg to take control without hurting your arm or something
+412tt You have to do it quickly and lock the wrist. If they can turn their wrist then they can get out of it.One thing I personally do is wrap my thumb around the wrist and lock their hand in the palm of my hand which prevents them from twisting their wrist. In training its easy to get out because its going in slow motion but in real life you have to be quick and use the element of surprise.
I feel like this is bullshit so let me explain what I would do after the takedown. (1) Obtain control after takedown- Step your left foot against the torso and then step your right foot over the arm and squeeze your feet together. Then, immediately sink your hip onto the shoulder. Hold on the arm from the elbow up during this step. This position will give you complete control of the arm as your hip is closer to the shoulder in which arm arm branches off of and your leg placement is keeping your hip secure to the arm. (This is all you really need.) (2) Kimura lock on left arm (assume the suspect is still on their stomach)- Flatten your left leg and shift your hip south of the arm, then throw your right leg over the head with your foot over the right shoulder. Lean North-east to maintain pressure and balance. Keep your left hand on the wrist and use your right hand to stabilize if needed. Both of your legs should be pointing somewhat north. Now for the figure four grip. Grip the wrist with your right hand and move it at least to the right of your left leg. Then take your left hand move it over the bicep, under the forearm, and over your right wrist, then grip your wrist. For a stronger grip, move your both of your thumbs next to your index fingers. Keep the arm bent. Now, move your left leg towards West and bend your knee for you foot is flat in the ground. This will create pressure on the suspect. Move the wrist with both of your arms towards the back of the head until there's enough pressure. Keep the arm bent. Lean forward to maintain pressure and balance. Keep both legs active. (2.5) If you're not flexible or not trained enough to do this, instead of throwing your right leg over the right shoulder, throw it all the way over the right arm and take their back, then do the steps for the Kimura from there. The only thing taken away from going to back is a head-and-arm choke with your legs in which you need you right leg over the shoulder to do. (3) Stay hydrated.
@90polly90 Something you should know, there is always a technique to get out of a technique. If you tried to get out of this, the offiver will have something in store. If you do this to an officer, they will always have to know how to get out of an armbar / turn the armbar against you.
Dude, just change the angle and go for a elbow control. Break his balance and he'll be on the ground with very slight force you can then flip him and change it to a arm bar still..
this may be a good police technique but dont try it in a street fight because you would have to be in perfect position to do it in a fight and that doesnt happen you would be better off with other takedown techniques if that is what you are trying to accomplish
Only works if you have a cooperative suspect that becomes resistant. Most people will tense up and pull their arms inward. Then you take them down anyway you can. IRL is much different than DT training 30% on a mat.
@chevrolet37 --- there is a pouint you HAVE to take resoincibility of your actions.... "do NOT drive a car" it MIGHT crash, do NOT buy steak knives as they are sharp.. C'MOM.. USE SOME COMMON SINCE!
Instead of utilizing the blade of your wrist as the fulcrum against her elbow, you would use the armrest of her chair as the fulcrum while the other officer works on pulling her legs out in a forward motion to get her out of the chair onto the ground
You could also take a double at a very extreme angle by keeping the wrist and hugging his outside knee with your right hand and he’s down. He’s down good. Gun out of the way and you will still have his arm.
I read in a police report that two male officers tried this Straight Arm Take down on a female in a wheelchair. They said it was modified and I see no way that this would be possible to do. The two officers claim they were on each side of the female in the wheelchair. I find it strange why they would need two officers Male to handle one female in a wheelchair! I would imagine a simple restraining of the female would be good enough. So how would the Straight Arm Bar Takedown be possibly done by two male officers, if it was modified? It does not make any sense to me, because if both men tried this at the same time as it claims in the report, then it seems they would hurt the female woman in the wheelchair! Could you try to clarify this for me?
Crank the wrist bent then clockwise and your pressure regardless should bring him down unless you weigh 20 pounds as well as that his to far out his foot needs to be aligned behind his knee he can't push backwards if his joint has pressure on that. Respect for the cops though
@Skeptic121 Very good point man, and funny too. I have thte utmost respect for law enforcement, but the ones with little man issues make you lose respect for the rest of them.
Yea the guy explaining doesn't look by the shape of his body that he has ever trained or been in a fight without gun, badge, stick, tazer, dogs, backup, chopper, walkie talkie, you get the idea, hard ass flashlight. "Remember, when using my flawed advice in a fight yell at the adversary Stop resisting!"
Its called "Fight or Flight". Yes you may have the guy in a submitted position. But when reality starts to set in chances are that he may decide to fight you or distance himself away from you.
There are better ways to get the takedown. You're already to their side and rear, if they resist, body lock under both arms, trip and fall to the side. Don't let go of the body lock until you are definitely on top and in control. Use the ground to neutralize them for cuffing. Take your time and lay on them wearing them out before cuffing. Take all the fight out of them. They'll be sleeping in their cell in no time.👍
this is not straight arm bar for good... and i would get out from this "arm bar" in something about 5 seconds :D Please, learn our police something usefull...
2019 this just became relevant in my life. Cheers!
It's usually for when a person you're escorting is initially co-operative, but starts resisting and you wanna get them to the ground.
Thank-you as it was good to see this as i wanted to see how it worked instead of just reading about it as i have a good understanding what a straight arm takedown is. Thank-you.
If you have one of a straight arm bar can you please let me know. Thanks.
Take care.
I failed this in ARCON today because I didnt pivot. Smh the stress of being worried youll screw up.... screws u up!
@@coldlessons A lot of the videos seem to contradict advice too. One video for top mount armbar said mount high to pin them down and when locking armbar its ok to plant knees and lean forward in. Next video said if you do this to good grappling guy with experience he'll use center of gravity to throw you and be free. So IDK who to believe and am trying to watch more than one video at a time. Haven't had any pro training or practice but curious from watching kung fu and some training I did a long time ago when a family member competed in some combat sports. (the effort involved in just the conditioning turned me off of it at a young age and getting hit hurts badly). But now I am curious and want to learn and don't care about losing as much.
Ok thanks I'll watch. I'm pretty sure in a ring or octogon or place with ref and rules and bell most would submit before letting arm or elbow get broken. But if tweaking armbar in survival situation I agree with your thinking. It doesn't sound like a cool thing to break another person's bones but idk a safe way not to if letting go means he's going to do it to me. A lot of old Gracie fights the opponent is over confident because of size advantage. As soon as whichever Gracie gets them horizontal and low or on the ground it doesn't help the big dummies and they lose. They move fast and hard to see on old vhs rip but I've never come across video of any Gracie family member getting beaten completely to the point of losing.
@@coldlessons I read ya and fwiw I am not trying to compare the two venues and was deliberately mentioning them to show distinctiion, why I even added "with ref, etc". I know and that is my main interest in watching these videos because I am not a cop but growing up going out at night trying to have fun their were troublemakers who fought sometimes and even though I have never committed a crime police have treated me as a "perp" and legally beat the shit out of me for no reason on several non consecutive occasions. I have never worn a mouth guard, been in a ring, etc. As an adult I don't have hardly any threats of violence around me but when your a kid you can't choose your environment and fighting was everywhere. Once I got myself away I stopped persuing learning how to defend and lots of time has passed I still don't know anything.
@@coldlessons True and sad. There is also the issue of an altercation and legal issue where you are exonerated, but just the act of getting accused and booked and sitting in the can one night can ruin people business wise. You were right on about the neighborhood, I pay a little more than I can afford to live away from the areas with skyscrapers and gunshots. I wish I didn't have to ever be around or see anything like that unless I want to watch like you were saying combat sports or something fake in a movie. Even hunting animals I am repulsed by. Hitting paper or a soda can or something with a bullet doesn't seem anything bad but if you ever actually see what it does to something alive and full of blood and meat and bones and watch their face if you have a soul the soul hurts when it happens, if its you or someone else or happening to you or if you're doing it to someone else. I saw a vid on here, Krav Maga teacher saw 22 y/o muslim stab old Jewish lady in the back, and in chasing the terrorist down the street, he had to use his training to forget about the victim and actually jump over her in pursuit of stabby. He caught the guy alive and the old lady got patched up but only because the dude saw was ready and trained.
You can also hook the right arm under the subject arm and hold your own wrist.
That fellow with the gray hair has the agility of a dancer. The physique, too. He's doing something right!
So many better takedown options using a Russian tie instead
Was taught this ten years ago in academy. Completely impractical and unrealistic. Never successfully used in hundreds of dynamic encounters. This only works in a training capacity with no actual resistance. No offense to the instructors, but this needs to go away. Thankfully my agency transitioned to a practical BJJ approach.
I subscribed to spartancops their techniques are good i enjoy watching and learning from these videos
You cops are way behind in training. Real BJJ should be required for all cops and at least for one year of rolling and really knowing how to maneuver. It helps to keep everyone safe.
Agreed. This stuff is a joke. Pretty shitty LEOs don’t receive better training
Can you do this in professional wrestling
That would never work on a trained wrestler. There is a similar, almost identical move in wrestling, but this move demonstrated in the video is designed to take down old ladies.
Is that Sling Blade you are taking down?
Reckon his name is Karl mhmmm
Is there a bee in the mic?
Sounds like an electric box in the background
I've never seen someone counter an armbar take down in a proper manner without be toppled on top of. Is it possible, can you use you leg to take control without hurting your arm or something
What if the persons arms are crossed? Then how would you take them down?
MothraVsTheWorld well, there are many ways. Brachial stun, and rear naked choke for a few examples that could work.
I do this to my friends at school (not seriously) but they get out quite easily if they move their arm around. What am i doing wrong?
+412tt You have to do it quickly and lock the wrist. If they can turn their wrist then they can get out of it.One thing I personally do is wrap my thumb around the wrist and lock their hand in the palm of my hand which prevents them from twisting their wrist.
In training its easy to get out because its going in slow motion but in real life you have to be quick and use the element of surprise.
There are many people that don't feel pain out there for various reasons and such techniques will fail on them. Always have other plans.
I feel like this is bullshit so let me explain what I would do after the takedown.
(1) Obtain control after takedown-
Step your left foot against the torso and then step your right foot over the arm and squeeze your feet together. Then, immediately sink your hip onto the shoulder. Hold on the arm from the elbow up during this step.
This position will give you complete control of the arm as your hip is closer to the shoulder in which arm arm branches off of and your leg placement is keeping your hip secure to the arm.
(This is all you really need.)
(2) Kimura lock on left arm (assume the suspect is still on their stomach)-
Flatten your left leg and shift your hip south of the arm, then throw your right leg over the head with your foot over the right shoulder. Lean North-east to maintain pressure and balance. Keep your left hand on the wrist and use your right hand to stabilize if needed. Both of your legs should be pointing somewhat north.
Now for the figure four grip. Grip the wrist with your right hand and move it at least to the right of your left leg. Then take your left hand move it over the bicep, under the forearm, and over your right wrist, then grip your wrist. For a stronger grip, move your both of your thumbs next to your index fingers. Keep the arm bent.
Now, move your left leg towards West and bend your knee for you foot is flat in the ground. This will create pressure on the suspect. Move the wrist with both of your arms towards the back of the head until there's enough pressure. Keep the arm bent. Lean forward to maintain pressure and balance. Keep both legs active.
(2.5) If you're not flexible or not trained enough to do this, instead of throwing your right leg over the right shoulder, throw it all the way over the right arm and take their back, then do the steps for the Kimura from there.
The only thing taken away from going to back is a head-and-arm choke with your legs in which you need you right leg over the shoulder to do.
(3) Stay hydrated.
All I read was lawsuit.
@90polly90 Something you should know, there is always a technique to get out of a technique. If you tried to get out of this, the offiver will have something in store. If you do this to an officer, they will always have to know how to get out of an armbar / turn the armbar against you.
Dude, just change the angle and go for a elbow control. Break his balance and he'll be on the ground with very slight force you can then flip him and change it to a arm bar still..
this may be a good police technique but dont try it in a street fight because you would have to be in perfect position to do it in a fight and that doesnt happen you would be better off with other takedown techniques if that is what you are trying to accomplish
+Joe Smith It works best when your already in an escort position. Trying to get a subject to voluntarily set up for this is not very common.
Only works if you have a cooperative suspect that becomes resistant. Most people will tense up and pull their arms inward. Then you take them down anyway you can. IRL is much different than DT training 30% on a mat.
Joe Smith gotta be quick, it's pretty easy to turn people around or move behind them in a fight. OC spray makes it even easier.
Exactly these are just compliance techniques for when you have back up ready and waiting. I highly doubt it would work well in a street fight.
@@kirbyellis4337during escorts this is a common thing there’s a reason it’s called escort postion
You couldn't find an older testing subject?
Simple but very effective 👌👌
@chevrolet37 --- there is a pouint you HAVE to take resoincibility of your actions.... "do NOT drive a car" it MIGHT crash, do NOT buy steak knives as they are sharp.. C'MOM.. USE SOME COMMON SINCE!
How would this be accomplished on a female in a wheelchair, by two male officers?
Debra An if she is in a wheelchair then chances you wouldnt have to put her in a wrist lock.
That is what I believe too. I feel that the two male officers should have tried restraint first, less harmful to a woman in a wheelchair!
Instead of utilizing the blade of your wrist as the fulcrum against her elbow, you would use the armrest of her chair as the fulcrum while the other officer works on pulling her legs out in a forward motion to get her out of the chair onto the ground
You could also take a double at a very extreme angle by keeping the wrist and hugging his outside knee with your right hand and he’s down. He’s down good. Gun out of the way and you will still have his arm.
the background noise is really irritating and makes your wonderful video hard to watch
Thank you
Us police this for you God son police chief
I get bullied allot mostly because of my name and i get into fight sometimes and i win sometimes but i know that i need to be stronger
Theodor Dahlberg strength has nothing to do with it.
Theodor Dahlberg learn Krav Maga
With a name like BigJuicyAssBoi, I'll bet you did get beat up a lot.
Just Osoto Gari instead way easier, more practical and effective.
10 years ago
Chevrolet37: I take it common sense isn't that high in your skills then?!
I read in a police report that two male officers tried this Straight Arm Take down on a female in a wheelchair. They said it was modified and I see no way that this would be possible to do. The two officers claim they were on each side of the female in the wheelchair. I find it strange why they would need two officers Male to handle one female in a wheelchair! I would imagine a simple restraining of the female would be good enough. So how would the Straight Arm Bar Takedown be possibly done by two male officers, if it was modified? It does not make any sense to me, because if both men tried this at the same time as it claims in the report, then it seems they would hurt the female woman in the wheelchair! Could you try to clarify this for me?
Debra An sure, being taken to the hard ground hurts and if they need to be taken there and the force is justified they'll just have to get over it.
Crank the wrist bent then clockwise and your pressure regardless should bring him down unless you weigh 20 pounds as well as that his to far out his foot needs to be aligned behind his knee he can't push backwards if his joint has pressure on that. Respect for the cops though
very fun do it at my mma all the time very usefull
@Skeptic121
Very good point man, and funny too. I have thte utmost respect for law enforcement, but the ones with little man issues make you lose respect for the rest of them.
Justice.
Sounds good, doesnt work
Yea the guy explaining doesn't look by the shape of his body that he has ever trained or been in a fight without gun, badge, stick, tazer, dogs, backup, chopper, walkie talkie, you get the idea, hard ass flashlight. "Remember, when using my flawed advice in a fight yell at the adversary Stop resisting!"
Anyone that has allowed himself to b n the position for that technique to work has already submitted himself, so y take him down?
Its called "Fight or Flight". Yes you may have the guy in a submitted position. But when reality starts to set in chances are that he may decide to fight you or distance himself away from you.
2:14 he gets owned, lol
That Technique its from hapkido.... and was made in korea ....
i think you need to read over exactly what i said bro
There are better ways to get the takedown. You're already to their side and rear, if they resist, body lock under both arms, trip and fall to the side. Don't let go of the body lock until you are definitely on top and in control. Use the ground to neutralize them for cuffing. Take your time and lay on them wearing them out before cuffing. Take all the fight out of them. They'll be sleeping in their cell in no time.👍
Break the wrist, walk away
he put down agent 47
@oOEzyoOo
I do shudokan karate, and we also do this. Is that where it comes from though? Yay for Koreans :D
Brandon Spicer no, most likely from Jujutsu as most others.
must be a vet crim haha
2:13 tho
@ 412tt so do i lol
I know i read just fine lol.
this is not straight arm bar for good... and i would get out from this "arm bar" in something about 5 seconds :D Please, learn our police something usefull...
90polly90 you won't have 5 seconds, not even 1 second.
2:14
lol