Strangely enough I have one of these guns. I saw one on gunbroker 3 years ago and I did some research on it and I instantly fell in love. The next one I saw was just last month I only had to wait 3 years, it was between this and a thai type 91 arisaka. But this was one of the guns on my must have list so I choose this without much hesitation. This video was one of my sources, my gun has been rechambered for balls N but I shoot ball D loads without any accuracy issues.i have no idea why I am sharing this but I am.I love this channel and inrange. Ian literally is the reason why I love older firearms and why my collection grows.
We did have a 8 mm version in Sweden, the 8X58RD m/1889 that was superseeded by the m/96 Mauser. The Remington in 8X58RD did however became popular as a hunting firearm and are actually still used by enthusiats. A good friend of mine did have a sporterized one until recently. However the Swedish legislation nowdays makes it tricky to own as many hunting firearms you want. The maximum is 6 long guns albeit even that is becoming increasingly difficult as there is an agenda from the authorities to minimize firearms in legal civilian ownership..
*fires a round that sounds like Thor the god of thunder is screaming in my ear drums* *derpily bounces rifle off boot* well that's an interesting contrast.
Myr brother has a South American version of this rifle and it is really quit nice. It's heavier than what its slender appearance would suggest. That's because the parts are few but really heavily constructed. As Ian mentioned the US would have been much better serviced adopting this over the Springfield trapdoor rifles/carbines.
Dan Morgan There were a great many better options available to the US Army than the Springfield trapdoor, which apparently remained in service for decades on end through sheer inertia.
RedXlV That's the trick. Once something is adopted it doesn't matter if it works. "Same as it ever was" is a powerful weapon of bureaucracies the world over.
The trapdoor was like the Snider - a conversion of a black-powder service rifle to use a metallic cartridge. They did it because it was cheap and because there was no budget for a decent rifle.
If the extractor was in there, would the old cartridge actually get sprung out of the gun when you opened it, or just pulled back far enough that you could grab it out with your fingers?
+Daniel G The TFB channel has a vid of a 7x57mm Rolling Block (Mexican contract) of similar vintage being put through a run and gun. The ejection of its cartridges is quite impressive.
My grandfather was a railroad machinist in WW1, so none of the armed forces would enlist him. He was needed to fight the Battle of Transportation on the Home Front. Now Texas had its National Guard federalized, so to provide the governor with a militia, the Texas State Guard was formed and Grandpa enlisted. At the first training assembly, there was all sorts of speculation as to the weapons they would be issued and they were stunned when the crates were opened to find they were GEN-YOU-WINE M1873 Trap Door Springfields, still in the Cosmoline! As Granddad put it, "We figured that at least the bayonets would work!"
a many years a go, I have read a book about Warsaw raising in 1944. Some Polish soldier remembered how he fought aganist Germans with very old, obsolete, one shot, Lebel rifle with broken extractor. It was THIS rifle :)
I are 0ld now 75 years 0ld from now an armorer at one time from NOM to now,I really like what you do...You do it very well thanks very much your friend Steve.....!
Those 2400m sights aren't wildly optimistic: the Lebel Balle D was designed from the outset for long-range fire. The sights just aren't intended for fire on an individual target at that range, but for volley fire by a squad [or larger group] on an area target [convoy, massed troops, crossroads with enemy traffic, etc.] Of course, by the time those rifles were issued, that kind of duty had been superseded by machine guns, but that's irrelevant to the sight design... ;-)
Ian, I just had an idea, and I was wondering if anything like this was ever made. The 'rolling block' name made me think of a style of delayed blowback system, and I got curious if anyone ever designed a rifle that bridged between a bolt-action and a semi-auto system. I'm picturing you take something like the cut-off lebel system without the magazine. Either through short recoil or gas operation, when the rifle is fired it cycles open the action and ejects the casing, then stays open to allow the operator to load the next round and manually close the system. Given how slow/skittish militaries were in adopting magazines at all, I would imagine such a system would garner some interest for a short while in the late 1800s, and would be a happy medium in terms of complexity and expense of single shot full-manual rifles like this 8mm Lebel, and true semi-automatic magazine rifles of the 1900s. It might have garnered some interested among hunters, as well.
+elfinfluff That is how a number of anti-tank cannons were designed, as well as the PTRD AT rifle. I'm not aware of it being used in any shoulder rifles, though.
+elfinfluff the Pederson device turned a 1903 Springfield into a semiautomatic rifle that would be the closest thing I can think of that "bridges the gap" Wikipedia has an article on it and Ian did a video on it en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedersen_device
Actually there was . My buddy had a .22 single shot that when you voted it , the bolt would recoil and stay open so you could load another round . I can t recall the name of the rifle , but it was the only one like it I ve ever seen. Worked real well too
+Ben Baker nice :) I wasn't thinking 1000 meter accuracy... I was thinking more along the lines of firing the gun at a target at 1000 meters with the sights set at 1000 meters and see if it actually makes out that far. I feel the same curiosity for the C96 Mauser when the sights go way out to 800 meters; I would like to see if it would actually toss slugs to that distance. Not necessarily expecting to get hits or be inherently accurate.
Jon H in theory it should be able to hit something the size of a truck at 1000m (say a 19th century company of riflemen) maybe if you tested the sights/barrel for any imperfections, and then tested firing it held in a vice I'm sure you could also find large indoor ranges to eliminate wind
Nice gun Ian. I have an M1867-74 made by Husqvarna under license from Remington in a nice condition. I'm missing the cleaning rod and the bayonet though...
my friend in france has a remingtonrolling block copy thats 7mm and seen a 6, mm one as well all straight wall cartrages.i never had any idea what there were ,till he said ,see a few of them on the village market stalls ,saw a shorterned smle had a foot cut off it ,at least and rebanded to look the part , up near pau southern france
I just found an old Rolling Block with a really good bore/rifling in my barn... never knew Dad had it but now I gotta find out what caliber it is and Im gonna have some fun shooting it once I get some dies and parts to load for it. Im really excited. Im thinking it might be fun to take Elk hunting on our property in ID.
Hi, Ian. Thank you for the content, as always. Have you ever considered doing a "firearms 101" series where you cover the history and development of important, but perhaps not "forgotten", pieces? I'm sure I'm not your only fan who would consider themselves a gun newbie, and in fact your patient and thorough explanations lend themselves to people like myself. I'm happy to keep googling terms like "rimfire vs centerfire cartridges", "rolling block", and "recoil vs gas operated", but there's a limit to how much I can contextualize on my own. Perhaps it would be a bit boring for you to go into the same detail with more famous weapons as you do with these more esoteric pieces. But for people like me, understanding why the M1 Garand or Colt revolver were so important, or why different kinds of cartridge became popular, or what defines an AR or AK system, would also help us appreciate the comparisons and contrasts you make with the weapons you already cover so well. Just an idea in case I'm not the only one who would enjoy this. Thank you very much!
This channel is primarily focused on rare, obscure, and "forgotten" weapons, of course. What Ian is trying to do, is give easy access to information on firearms that aren't ones you would just think to search on google. If you're interested in the mechanisms of famous weapons like the AR or AK, or any of the other details you mentioned, there are plenty of other videos and websites that can explain it better than he can.
"Bring the rain." And the rain was brought, one round at a time. I love it, and also how that bayonet looks almost as long as a short sword. Would the rear troops carry any pistols to go with this thing?
I was just reading about this! Lebel-chambered Remingtons! I would really like one of these rifles someday, preferrably in .45-70 or better still, 7.62x54R or .30-06! Unbelieveable I know, but I've heard tell of these)
At first I thought you had to push out the cartridge by poking it out through the entire barrel length, but then you ended up knocking it on your shoes :D Nice trick !
I like that you bounce it on your boot, so many people would do it on the ground, and hurt the rifle. I never even let my Krag stand on the ground, I allways have it standing on something, so not to have the gravel or concrete scrach the butplate.
I've always loved the rolling block action.. Simple, rugged, and effective. I'd love a beefed up modern version in 408 Cheytac ;) But I would settle for one in 7.62x54 :) (I prefer 308, but that doesn't have a rim.)
Has there ever been reports of volley fire or indirect fire being used to any effect with modern smokeless cartridge rifles? I only ask because many of these old military rifles like this have sights with settings past 2000 meters. I would love to see a video on the subject maybe with some of the more ridiculous sight settings.
BACK in 2005, in Italy, at T4C ( The Four Company) of a suburb of Brescia, I bought 6 Remington French Actions, 2 Saddle ring acarbine, and Four Rifle Actions. They arenowin Australia, to be rebuilt into a selection of "Film Guns" ( Rifles, Musketoons, Cav. Carbines ) With interchangeable barrels in Long, Intermediate and Carbine Lenght, with relevant woidwork and bands. Barrels will be seamless hydraulic tube ( blank fire only) in a case to suit the 8mm Lebel extractor. I have a M1902 7mm Remington to pattern thewood off on my Terrco stock copier. If I had a spare 8mm Lebel barrel, I would refit it and build up a proper M1914. Doc AV Brisbane
+Forgotten Weapons but The are rolling block rifles and they are chambered for 8mm, you clamed The 8mm lebel were The only rolling blocks chambered for 8mm
In the 1960's Importers broke them up for their actions I remember ads in the American Riflemen Magazine stating made during WW 1. 8MM Lebel, 7.62x54r moisin nagant was almost Impossible to find.
Twenty-four hundred might be a stretch, but I would like to see someone split the difference and try one of these at 1200 meters. When you said the extractor was missing, I thought you were going to have to pry the cases out with a knife like Custer's men were said to have had to do with their Trapdoor Springfield's.
Cool panama dude! In Russia we call it "Afghanka". Because we all remember it for Afghanistan war (1979-89) but it was presented in 1935. Eg our legendary Marshal Konstantin Zhukov wore the same in 1939 in Khalkhyn Gol.
A Remington Rolling Block Rifle or "Roller" in No. 1 Sporter Rifle version chambered in8mm Lebel, 7mm Mauser (7x57), .30-40 Krag, .303 British, 7.62mm Russian, and even.50-70 and .45-70 Springfield would have been ideal for the peon, peasant, commonperson, worker, farmer, etc. who didn't need a bolt action magazine military rifle. Purpose:hunting and providing fresh meat for the family larder. Even on a plantation, farm, estate,or where deer or antelope type game existed. Bear in mind these fore mentioned calibersall pre-date the venerable .30-30 Winchester (1895). Remember no substitute exists foraccuracy and shot placement. Also, a Remington Roller, including the John M. Browningdesigned Winchester Model 1885 single shot, is a basic firearm and simple to utilize,maintain, and properly clean. Even for the illiterate. Today Remington Arms Co. stillproduces their original No. 1 Rolling Block Sporting Rifle. These are superior to their19th/early 20th century antecedents due to modern high strength steels and modernmanufacturing. Even for thinning feral hog populations on the landscape this riflewould remain useful even for today (2016). ----James A. "Jim" Farmer Ashland, Oregon
I wonder if the Remington Rolling Block action could handle being re-barreled to 7.62x54r. Do you think it could? If it could, it would be a fun economical rifle to shoot or to hunt with.
What's the advantage of rolling block over falling block? They seem very similar to me but I don't understand why did rolling block outlive falling block in case of single shot rifles while staying preferable in for instance anti tank weapons even to this day.
Quick question which is the superior action a falling block or a rolling block? Also High Wall vs Low Wall? I'm getting into single shot rifles and i'm looking into which one to buy first.
The rolling blocks upgraded to Balle N would be good shooters to add to a French rifle collection. Although, I have never seen a French contract version for sale.
The mexican army have a couple of those but by late 1890s they recive mausers and Swiss guns. And during the revolución they heavily use lever action guns, still mexican single shots are very rare to find.
Is is possible to fire the rifle (relatively) safely without actually closing the breach bloc? I mean, will the hammer will push the block close if the trigger is pulled?
+Rik Raptor The rolling block contains the firing pin, and physically blocks the hammer from falling if it is open, so it acts as an additional safety. It can not fire unless the block is fully closed.
Rik Raptor No sir. The shape of the pieces means that you cannot fire without the breach closed. I recommend TFBTV's video on the rolling block, I think they explain it slightly better. It's also more than a year old, so any recent problems with the platform are... not applicable
totally irrelevant to this video, but is it possible you could review a ks-23? I mean, a shotgun utilizing a faulty anti aircraft barrel seems interesting to anybody if you ask me.
Oh my god I was playing fallout and as a suicide super mutant attacked me and exploded he fired the rifle for the first time which scared the shit out of me 😂
Dose anyone know if Remington did other contracts for the French during World War 1? I ask, as I saw a Berthier Carbine chanbered in 8mm Lebel with Remington brandings and date marked 1915 at my local gunshop. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about them.
The Rolling Blocks are a elegantly simple and strong design. If they were being produced by a modern firearms manufacturer, they probably shouldn't cost anymore to build than one of the H&R break action single shot rifles. From a target shooting standpoint though, they are a lot better since you can reload without having to move the rifle from your rest, allowing it to remain on target. Well, as long as the extractor is working (unlike Ian's example here). :)
+enoughofyourkoicarp >He doesn't watch firearm videos to hear the supersonic crack. >He can't handle the very pleasant sound an 8mm Lebel makes. There's being a casual and then there's you.
I have gotten some measurements from a rolling block. I want to make one in my shop...mostly because I am stubborn and someone told me it can not be effectively made so cheaply, ha. I already see some changes I have too do. Those little leaf springs need some refinement with some modern springs. Why do the old military rifles have such insane distances on their sights? I have seen some well over 3000 meters. My only guess is shooting at a large group of enemies or maybe battle ships?
+Jesse Sisolack excessive optimisim, and group volley fire, perhaps? Not sure why the ranges go up to such silly distances myself. And the rolling block is a simply design, not sure why anyone would assume it couldn't be done. I bet that rifle will come out nice.
+DFX2KX Well to be fair to the ones that told me I can not do it, one stipulation I said was I could do it for under $150. The only major problem I think I will have is the barrel. I do not have the tooling for making barrels. I think I will buy an inexpensive .38 barrel and make a pistol version just to test some ideas.
+Jesse Sisolack That's more or less it. The tactical doctrines hadn't caught up with the technology, and armies were still manuouevering in large formations, so it was considered worth attempting long range volley fire. Rather like the interdicting fire put down by heavy machine guns now.
@@onelonecelt9168 I did, but shortly after finishing I moved for work. I still own that house, and the project is still sitting in the corner of my shop, but I can not get to it for a while. It only ever fired a blank round to ensure it was mechanically working, however it pieced the primer so I must had gotten the firing pin measurement off. Thankfully that is an easy fix. When I am not running around the country for work, I will try and get that fixed.
My brother in law took me to a gun store in Albany, CA., during the mid 70's, that sold antique guns. It was called "The Old West ??". Anyway, I picked up an Argentine Remington rolling block that was in mint condition but chambered in .43 Spanish. The owner said it could be rechambered, but I was just ignorant enough to pass up a $45 bargain because I thought he was "puffing".
+Chuck Patton Well that was 40 years ago. What would that be in todays money, adjusted for inflation? (maybe it wont seem as bad if you look at it like this lol)
+sergeantbigmac That's true. :) Well I just checked with the 2015 inflation and the current spending would be about $ 190.00. Todays market for those Remington's that I checked were anywhere from 500 to 900 bucks! I only looked at two though. ;(
Nice Boer War hat.. I've been colleccting alot of german WW2 era hats including various afrika korps caps, wermacht hats and sidecaps from various campaigns
Just curious. If repeaters became the de facto norm during the great war, why didn't the French went for something like the Russians did? Like Winchester 1895. Even if the rifles are not for frontline troops, its better to have a repeater than a single-shot. French were already buying these rifles new, why not get a slightly better one? Remington were already making Berthiers for them.
>is that a lebel bayonet in your pocket or are you just really happy to see me?
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+potatoe potato fug of ireland
+James he's from the Czech Republic
+potatoe potato pls /k/
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Strangely enough I have one of these guns. I saw one on gunbroker 3 years ago and I did some research on it and I instantly fell in love. The next one I saw was just last month I only had to wait 3 years, it was between this and a thai type 91 arisaka. But this was one of the guns on my must have list so I choose this without much hesitation. This video was one of my sources, my gun has been rechambered for balls N but I shoot ball D loads without any accuracy issues.i have no idea why I am sharing this but I am.I love this channel and inrange. Ian literally is the reason why I love older firearms and why my collection grows.
You shared it because you know viewers if the channel would understand how you feel
Old, Forgotten, Ambidextrous, French, with bayonet.....Ian´s paradise. Grettings from Patagonia Argentina
Got to say, that sounded a lot more powerful than I was expecting. Almost like a shotgun.
We did have a 8 mm version in Sweden, the 8X58RD m/1889 that was superseeded by the m/96 Mauser. The Remington in 8X58RD did however became popular as a hunting firearm and are actually still used by enthusiats. A good friend of mine did have a sporterized one until recently. However the Swedish legislation nowdays makes it tricky to own as many hunting firearms you want. The maximum is 6 long guns albeit even that is becoming increasingly difficult as there is an agenda from the authorities to minimize firearms in legal civilian ownership..
that report sound is just lovely
You don't seem to have a video of you behind a desk, looking at a Remmington Rolling block in detail.
I would be interested in such a video.
*fires a round that sounds like Thor the god of thunder is screaming in my ear drums* *derpily bounces rifle off boot* well that's an interesting contrast.
That shot is one satisfying sound.
I’ve always wanted a rolling block
Myr brother has a South American version of this rifle and it is really quit nice. It's heavier than what its slender appearance would suggest. That's because the parts are few but really heavily constructed. As Ian mentioned the US would have been much better serviced adopting this over the Springfield trapdoor rifles/carbines.
Dan Morgan There were a great many better options available to the US Army than the Springfield trapdoor, which apparently remained in service for decades on end through sheer inertia.
RedXlV That's the trick. Once something is adopted it doesn't matter if it works. "Same as it ever was" is a powerful weapon of bureaucracies the world over.
Dan Morgan yes even though I have a trapdoor I agree
The trapdoor was like the Snider - a conversion of a black-powder service rifle to use a metallic cartridge. They did it because it was cheap and because there was no budget for a decent rifle.
If the extractor was in there, would the old cartridge actually get sprung out of the gun when you opened it, or just pulled back far enough that you could grab it out with your fingers?
+Daniel G As long as you opened the breech with some vigor, it would fully eject.
i figured as much.. that makes sense! you don't want people fiddling around with hot brass as they try to reload
I belive that the extractor just gives the rim a kick to get the round out far enough to be able to pull it out by hand.
+Daniel G The TFB channel has a vid of a 7x57mm Rolling Block (Mexican contract) of similar vintage being put through a run and gun. The ejection of its cartridges is quite impressive.
The extractor on my 1871 in 45-70 will toss empty cases over my shoulder when the breech is opened.
Ian, Denamrk also used the RB in an 8mm caliber-the 8x58R
My grandfather was a railroad machinist in WW1, so none of the armed forces would enlist him. He was needed to fight the Battle of Transportation on the Home Front. Now Texas had its National Guard federalized, so to provide the governor with a militia, the Texas State Guard was formed and Grandpa enlisted. At the first training assembly, there was all sorts of speculation as to the weapons they would be issued and they were stunned when the crates were opened to find they were GEN-YOU-WINE M1873 Trap Door Springfields, still in the Cosmoline! As Granddad put it, "We figured that at least the bayonets would work!"
What a beautiful old gun. Simple and sleek.
a many years a go, I have read a book about Warsaw raising in 1944. Some Polish soldier remembered how he fought aganist Germans with very old, obsolete, one shot, Lebel rifle with broken extractor. It was THIS rifle :)
they made a very good smg underground in Warsaw …..so the lebel will be not used a lot I think.
@@bigboreharleyhow many of those did they make
Compared to how many people they needed to arm
The Swedish Remington m/1867-89 and m/1889 also used a smokeless powder 8mm cartridge
I are 0ld now 75 years 0ld from now an armorer at one time from NOM to now,I really like what you do...You do it very well thanks very much your friend Steve.....!
Thanks Ian; your channel made me a late 19th century firearms appreciator.
That gun was made in my town!
Love your work can’t wait for more
I like the sound this makes.
Great video as always
the TFB had a review on the gun, its nice to see old guns reviewed
wow thats a great sound.
I love the sound of this rifle!! I love these guns!! I want one!!
Those 2400m sights aren't wildly optimistic: the Lebel Balle D was designed from the outset for long-range fire. The sights just aren't intended for fire on an individual target at that range, but for volley fire by a squad [or larger group] on an area target [convoy, massed troops, crossroads with enemy traffic, etc.]
Of course, by the time those rifles were issued, that kind of duty had been superseded by machine guns, but that's irrelevant to the sight design... ;-)
that sound.
Awesome video!!
Ian, I just had an idea, and I was wondering if anything like this was ever made. The 'rolling block' name made me think of a style of delayed blowback system, and I got curious if anyone ever designed a rifle that bridged between a bolt-action and a semi-auto system.
I'm picturing you take something like the cut-off lebel system without the magazine. Either through short recoil or gas operation, when the rifle is fired it cycles open the action and ejects the casing, then stays open to allow the operator to load the next round and manually close the system.
Given how slow/skittish militaries were in adopting magazines at all, I would imagine such a system would garner some interest for a short while in the late 1800s, and would be a happy medium in terms of complexity and expense of single shot full-manual rifles like this 8mm Lebel, and true semi-automatic magazine rifles of the 1900s. It might have garnered some interested among hunters, as well.
+elfinfluff That is how a number of anti-tank cannons were designed, as well as the PTRD AT rifle. I'm not aware of it being used in any shoulder rifles, though.
+elfinfluff the Pederson device turned a 1903 Springfield into a semiautomatic rifle that would be the closest thing I can think of that "bridges the gap" Wikipedia has an article on it and Ian did a video on it
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedersen_device
Actually there was . My buddy had a .22 single shot that when you voted it , the bolt would recoil and stay open so you could load another round . I can t recall the name of the rifle , but it was the only one like it I ve ever seen. Worked real well too
Wouldn't it be interesting to take it out to 1000 meters and see how accurate those sights are?
All you need is to finds someone who will let you use the broad side of their barn as the target...
+Jon H or even 2400 meters
+Treblaine
not the broad side of the Marne?
+Ben Baker
nice :)
I wasn't thinking 1000 meter accuracy... I was thinking more along the lines of firing the gun at a target at 1000 meters with the sights set at 1000 meters and see if it actually makes out that far.
I feel the same curiosity for the C96 Mauser when the sights go way out to 800 meters; I would like to see if it would actually toss slugs to that distance. Not necessarily expecting to get hits or be inherently accurate.
Jon H in theory it should be able to hit something the size of a truck at 1000m (say a 19th century company of riflemen)
maybe if you tested the sights/barrel for any imperfections, and then tested firing it held in a vice
I'm sure you could also find large indoor ranges to eliminate wind
Nice gun Ian.
I have an M1867-74 made by Husqvarna under license from Remington in a nice condition. I'm missing the cleaning rod and the bayonet though...
Great vid man. i want one of those so bad lol
my friend in france has a remingtonrolling block copy thats 7mm and seen a 6, mm one as well all straight wall cartrages.i never had any idea what there were ,till he said ,see a few of them on the village market stalls ,saw a shorterned smle had a foot cut off it ,at least and rebanded to look the part , up near pau southern france
I bet a few of these ended up on walls of cottages and were used by the underground french resistance in ww2
Really cool looking rifle
I just found an old Rolling Block with a really good bore/rifling in my barn... never knew Dad had it but now I gotta find out what caliber it is and Im gonna have some fun shooting it once I get some dies and parts to load for it. Im really excited. Im thinking it might be fun to take Elk hunting on our property in ID.
Hi, Ian. Thank you for the content, as always. Have you ever considered doing a "firearms 101" series where you cover the history and development of important, but perhaps not "forgotten", pieces? I'm sure I'm not your only fan who would consider themselves a gun newbie, and in fact your patient and thorough explanations lend themselves to people like myself. I'm happy to keep googling terms like "rimfire vs centerfire cartridges", "rolling block", and "recoil vs gas operated", but there's a limit to how much I can contextualize on my own.
Perhaps it would be a bit boring for you to go into the same detail with more famous weapons as you do with these more esoteric pieces. But for people like me, understanding why the M1 Garand or Colt revolver were so important, or why different kinds of cartridge became popular, or what defines an AR or AK system, would also help us appreciate the comparisons and contrasts you make with the weapons you already cover so well.
Just an idea in case I'm not the only one who would enjoy this. Thank you very much!
This channel is primarily focused on rare, obscure, and "forgotten" weapons, of course. What Ian is trying to do, is give easy access to information on firearms that aren't ones you would just think to search on google. If you're interested in the mechanisms of famous weapons like the AR or AK, or any of the other details you mentioned, there are plenty of other videos and websites that can explain it better than he can.
Luken Weaver you may be able to find some more info on the sister channel inrangetv
"Bring the rain." And the rain was brought, one round at a time. I love it, and also how that bayonet looks almost as long as a short sword. Would the rear troops carry any pistols to go with this thing?
Good Video.
Seriously: never a dull moment on FW / Itv 🎯
A special on Bannister Castle ...?
I was just reading about this! Lebel-chambered Remingtons! I would really like one of these rifles someday, preferrably in .45-70 or better still, 7.62x54R or .30-06! Unbelieveable I know, but I've heard tell of these)
+Josh O Or .303 Brit. That'd be ok too.
Fascinating
At first I thought you had to push out the cartridge by poking it out through the entire barrel length, but then you ended up knocking it on your shoes :D Nice trick !
I like that you bounce it on your boot, so many people would do it on the ground, and hurt the rifle. I never even let my Krag stand on the ground, I allways have it standing on something, so not to have the gravel or concrete scrach the butplate.
I've always loved the rolling block action.. Simple, rugged, and effective. I'd love a beefed up modern version in 408 Cheytac ;) But I would settle for one in 7.62x54 :) (I prefer 308, but that doesn't have a rim.)
Has there ever been reports of volley fire or indirect fire being used to any effect with modern smokeless cartridge rifles? I only ask because many of these old military rifles like this have sights with settings past 2000 meters. I would love to see a video on the subject maybe with some of the more ridiculous sight settings.
Very interesting. I had no idea there were any new-manufactured single-shot rifles that saw service in WWI.
Want the 8mm Lebel the first smokeless cartridge?
That is a hell of a bayonet.
that sound
BACK in 2005, in Italy, at T4C ( The Four Company) of a suburb of Brescia, I bought 6 Remington French Actions, 2 Saddle ring acarbine, and Four Rifle Actions. They arenowin Australia, to be rebuilt into a selection of "Film Guns"
( Rifles, Musketoons, Cav. Carbines )
With interchangeable barrels in Long, Intermediate and Carbine Lenght, with relevant woidwork and bands.
Barrels will be seamless hydraulic tube ( blank fire only) in a case to suit the 8mm Lebel extractor.
I have a M1902 7mm Remington to pattern thewood off on my Terrco stock copier.
If I had a spare 8mm Lebel barrel, I would refit it and build up a proper M1914.
Doc AV
Brisbane
Cool!
You wrong about it being The only remington Rolling block chambered for 8mm, The swedish military used a remington rolling block chambered for 8x58rd.
+John Alkeberg Those were not made by Remington.
+Forgotten Weapons but The are rolling block rifles and they are chambered for 8mm, you clamed The 8mm lebel were The only rolling blocks chambered for 8mm
+John Alkeberg When it comes to identification, if you find a gun marked Remington and in 8mm, it will be a French contract rifle.
+Forgotten Weapons To be fair in the video you did say the only Rolling Block chambered in 8mm. You didn't say the only Remington one.
+d.o. niskane Sweden ne Er used 8x58. That was a Danish caliber
7:00 I thought you'd never do it. Nice knife get!
In the 1960's Importers broke them up for their actions I remember ads in the
American Riflemen Magazine stating made during WW 1. 8MM Lebel, 7.62x54r
moisin nagant was almost Impossible to find.
where is the smoke at the end of the barrel when you fire the rifle?
Turned the volume up to properly understand you, regretted it at 6:14. Damn that was loud
Any reports on how the split breech carbines did with the French?
Would love to see a Portuguese Kropatscheck rifle in action....really the father of the Lebel 1886 that is so endeared by old gun fans
Twenty-four hundred might be a stretch, but I would like to see someone split the difference and try one of these at 1200 meters. When you said the extractor was missing, I thought you were going to have to pry the cases out with a knife like Custer's men were said to have had to do with their Trapdoor Springfield's.
Cool panama dude! In Russia we call it "Afghanka". Because we all remember it for Afghanistan war (1979-89) but it was presented in 1935. Eg our legendary Marshal Konstantin Zhukov wore the same in 1939 in Khalkhyn Gol.
Nice
A Remington Rolling Block Rifle or "Roller" in No. 1 Sporter Rifle version chambered in8mm Lebel, 7mm Mauser (7x57), .30-40 Krag, .303 British, 7.62mm Russian, and even.50-70 and .45-70 Springfield would have been ideal for the peon, peasant, commonperson, worker, farmer, etc. who didn't need a bolt action magazine military rifle. Purpose:hunting and providing fresh meat for the family larder. Even on a plantation, farm, estate,or where deer or antelope type game existed. Bear in mind these fore mentioned calibersall pre-date the venerable .30-30 Winchester (1895). Remember no substitute exists foraccuracy and shot placement. Also, a Remington Roller, including the John M. Browningdesigned Winchester Model 1885 single shot, is a basic firearm and simple to utilize,maintain, and properly clean. Even for the illiterate. Today Remington Arms Co. stillproduces their original No. 1 Rolling Block Sporting Rifle. These are superior to their19th/early 20th century antecedents due to modern high strength steels and modernmanufacturing. Even for thinning feral hog populations on the landscape this riflewould remain useful even for today (2016). ----James A. "Jim" Farmer Ashland, Oregon
What does one of these cost? That's really awesome.
I wonder if the Remington Rolling Block action could handle being re-barreled to 7.62x54r. Do you think it could? If it could, it would be a fun economical rifle to shoot or to hunt with.
What's the advantage of rolling block over falling block? They seem very similar to me but I don't understand why did rolling block outlive falling block in case of single shot rifles while staying preferable in for instance anti tank weapons even to this day.
that rifle used by our ancestors to defend our country
proud filipino here🇵🇭
Quick question which is the superior action a falling block or a rolling block? Also High Wall vs Low Wall? I'm getting into single shot rifles and i'm looking into which one to buy first.
+abyssinia4ever Falling block IMO I would love a 310 cadet for small game hunting
i think the british had a version of the Marti Henry cambered in .303 that was used in ww1
The .303 Martini-Enfield and Martini-Metford rifles were conversions of .577/450 Martini-Henrys. Not new builds.
The rolling blocks upgraded to Balle N would be good shooters to add to a French rifle collection. Although, I have never seen a French contract version for sale.
Quite a pig sticker with that bayonet installed. I've been wanting a repro rolling block. Maybe i will get one of these instead.
The mexican army have a couple of those but by late 1890s they recive mausers and Swiss guns.
And during the revolución they heavily use lever action guns, still mexican single shots are very rare to find.
Is is possible to fire the rifle (relatively) safely without actually closing the breach bloc?
I mean, will the hammer will push the block close if the trigger is pulled?
+Rik Raptor The rolling block contains the firing pin, and physically blocks the hammer from falling if it is open, so it acts as an additional safety. It can not fire unless the block is fully closed.
Rik Raptor No sir. The shape of the pieces means that you cannot fire without the breach closed. I recommend TFBTV's video on the rolling block, I think they explain it slightly better. It's also more than a year old, so any recent problems with the platform are... not applicable
Bayonets are rare...
My grandpa carried his WW2 bayonet still in 2000s.
I bet many people took them home.
8 mm LaBelle those are bronze nickel bullet approximate size of a 4570 also use the first smokeless powder used in a fold action breech loader
Tippmann armory .357, .44 and 45-70
totally irrelevant to this video, but is it possible you could review a ks-23? I mean, a shotgun utilizing a faulty anti aircraft barrel seems interesting to anybody if you ask me.
Actually the 8×58R is another early cartridge that some krag / Huskavarna ?? rolling blocks were also converted by the Danish I believe
When you could get the cheap Spanish Rolling Blocks they were great to rechamber to 45-70 and still a lot cheaper than an original in 45-70.
Oh my god I was playing fallout and as a suicide super mutant attacked me and exploded he fired the rifle for the first time which scared the shit out of me 😂
That was painfully loud in my headphones. Ouch >_
In 1889 swedish rolling blocks were remade/upgraded to 8x58RD (m/1867-1889) so not all 8mm rolling blocks are french ;)
Dose anyone know if Remington did other contracts for the French during World War 1? I ask, as I saw a Berthier Carbine chanbered in 8mm Lebel with Remington brandings and date marked 1915 at my local gunshop. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about them.
The French contracted for a batch of (100,000?) Berthier rifles and I think a million rounds of 8x50R.
Was this before or after the split breach?
After.
I want them to make a 12gauge version
I need to get a rolling block.
Didn't the Royal Navy also buy up Remington's remaining stock of 7mm Rolling Blocks?
Remingtion should again produce rolling blocks!!!
The Rolling Blocks are a elegantly simple and strong design. If they were being produced by a modern firearms manufacturer, they probably shouldn't cost anymore to build than one of the H&R break action single shot rifles. From a target shooting standpoint though, they are a lot better since you can reload without having to move the rifle from your rest, allowing it to remain on target. Well, as long as the extractor is working (unlike Ian's example here). :)
R.I.P. headphone users, muahaha, not so smug now, are you? :P
Oh, we can handle it. At least, the more experienced users.
Moss Foster Not recently.
+enoughofyourkoicarp
>He doesn't watch firearm videos to hear the supersonic crack.
>He can't handle the very pleasant sound an 8mm Lebel makes.
There's being a casual and then there's you.
D8W2P4 LOL
Go back, play COD kid.
I have gotten some measurements from a rolling block. I want to make one in my shop...mostly because I am stubborn and someone told me it can not be effectively made so cheaply, ha. I already see some changes I have too do. Those little leaf springs need some refinement with some modern springs.
Why do the old military rifles have such insane distances on their sights? I have seen some well over 3000 meters. My only guess is shooting at a large group of enemies or maybe battle ships?
+Jesse Sisolack excessive optimisim, and group volley fire, perhaps? Not sure why the ranges go up to such silly distances myself.
And the rolling block is a simply design, not sure why anyone would assume it couldn't be done. I bet that rifle will come out nice.
+DFX2KX Well to be fair to the ones that told me I can not do it, one stipulation I said was I could do it for under $150. The only major problem I think I will have is the barrel. I do not have the tooling for making barrels. I think I will buy an inexpensive .38 barrel and make a pistol version just to test some ideas.
+Jesse Sisolack That's more or less it. The tactical doctrines hadn't caught up with the technology, and armies were still manuouevering in large formations, so it was considered worth attempting long range volley fire. Rather like the interdicting fire put down by heavy machine guns now.
@@Jesses001 Did you ever manage to make one?
@@onelonecelt9168 I did, but shortly after finishing I moved for work. I still own that house, and the project is still sitting in the corner of my shop, but I can not get to it for a while. It only ever fired a blank round to ensure it was mechanically working, however it pieced the primer so I must had gotten the firing pin measurement off. Thankfully that is an easy fix. When I am not running around the country for work, I will try and get that fixed.
My brother in law took me to a gun store in Albany, CA., during the mid 70's, that sold antique guns. It was called "The Old West ??". Anyway, I picked up an Argentine Remington rolling block that was in mint condition but chambered in .43 Spanish. The owner said it could be rechambered, but I was just ignorant enough to pass up a $45 bargain because I thought he was "puffing".
+Chuck Patton
Well that was 40 years ago. What would that be in todays money, adjusted for inflation? (maybe it wont seem as bad if you look at it like this lol)
+sergeantbigmac That's true. :)
Well I just checked with the 2015 inflation and the current spending would be about $ 190.00. Todays market for those Remington's that I checked were anywhere from 500 to 900 bucks! I only looked at two though. ;(
Chuck Patton Ok, maybe not that much better haha. Oopsies, live and learn I guess!
Nice Boer War hat.. I've been colleccting alot of german WW2 era hats including various afrika korps caps, wermacht hats and sidecaps from various campaigns
+shoominati23 Isn't that a Soviet military hat?
Looks more tropical than something you'd want to hear in low temperature environments just ostensibly
+shoominati23 It's one of these.
img13.deviantart.net/cc7b/i/2009/008/f/c/soviet_afghan_war_boonie_cap_by_patrick1917.jpg
+shoominati23 I dont think thats a Boer War hat bruh
I stand corrected... I would have picked it earlier, had I noticed the hammer & sickle ;)
Damnit! Now I gotta get one for my collection.... I should stop watching your videos, they make me wanna go spend my money...
Just curious.
If repeaters became the de facto norm during the great war, why didn't the French went for something like the Russians did? Like Winchester 1895. Even if the rifles are not for frontline troops, its better to have a repeater than a single-shot. French were already buying these rifles new, why not get a slightly better one? Remington were already making Berthiers for them.
almost brand new only dropped one time
nice Soviet Panama!
I actually had one, many years ago. As a kid I frequently traded off and for guns. Like to kick myself now for trading the Lebel off.
8mm lik the m-1889 is Norwegian Roller block also same for denmark and sweden