Difference between Swing and Lindy Hop
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Are Swing and Lindy Hop the same thing, and what are the differences? Although they are sometimes used as interchangeable terms, it is useful to establish some differences based on the history of Jazz music and its dances.
The video simplifies a broad and complex subject, with nuances and academic discussions that are still in force. We recommend reading the bibliography to go deeper.
Bibliography:
*Jazz Dance: The Story of American Vernacular Dance, Marshall W. Stearns, Jean Stearns.
*The swing era: the development, Gunther Schuller
*Swing, Scott Yanow
*Jazz History, Ted Giaoia
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Muy importante saber esta diferencia, sobre todo para quienes apenas empezamos. Muchas gracias!!!
Gracias a ti, todos hemos tenido estas dudas alguna vez!
Great job! I read the subtitles in English, and greatly appreciate the video. Do you have a web page with the graph of the many dance styles?
Thanks! It's avalaible here: estiloswing.es/diagrama-historico-de-los-bailes-swing/ you can click for better resolution.
Excelente video! Apasionante❣️
Como decía un maestro, la realidad está llena de detalles... la curiosidad nos guía al saber. Un abrazo.
Gracias por la explicación!
¡De nada!
Una distinción, general peromuy útil en los bailes Swing es la de los tiempos de baile: por una parte estaria la linea musical del Blues, Rhythm and Blues y Boogie-Woogie que da origen al Rock and Roll y se baila en seis tiempos. Por otra parte estaria la linea jazz: Lindy Hop, Charlestón, Balboa... Y se baila en ocho tiempos. Hay temas musicales que se pueden bailar tanto a seis como a ocho tiempos, normalmente suelen ser piezas de Rhythm and Blues de los años 1950, y hay figuras y movimientos que también se pueden usar bailando a seis y a ocho tiempos, pero lo más generalizado es: Boogie-Woogie y Rock and Roll se bailan en seis tiempos y Lindy Hop, Charlestón, Balboa y demás en ocho tiempos.
Muy cierto. La música determina los bloques rítmicos básicos, y en general los estilos de baile Swing influidos o derivados del blues tienden a fundamentarse en pasos de 6 tiempos. Aunque hay excepciones como el Collegiate Shag, que tiene un básico de 6, o la reconstrucción que llaman Baile Blues moderno que a veces emplea un básico de 4. Lo normal en los bailes Swing modernos es mezclar todo tipo de cuentas aunque predomine una tónica, como bien dices. Gracias por el comentario.
Muy bueno.
¡Pues a bailar!
Buenísima explicación, muchísimas gracias 💯
Gracias a ti!
Muy interesante. El boogie-woogie es mas bien un estilo de tocar El piano para los musicos. Parece que lo que ustedes llaman BW como baile aqui lo llaman Rock and Roll. Genial todo. Gracias por compartir!
Yes, indeed! Originally boogie-boogie was a blues piano style, suited for dancing. In Europe, technically this dance should be called rock&roll (50s rock with swing characteristics) but this name was already taken by acrobatic rock and roll; so the World rock and roll federation decided to call this social dance style Boogie-woogie, to tell one from another. As you see, a very confusing story! 🙂
Si, el Boogie-Woogie es un estilo musical esencialmente pianístico, pero hubo también pioneros con la guitarra, no tan conocidos. El Boogie-Woogie es el antecesor directo de mi amado Rock and Roll, y en bastantes ocasiones son lo mismo, tanto en música como en baile, dado que la armonía es idéntica. El Boogie-Woogie da además muy buenos resultados cuando se combina con música Swing, dando lugar al Swing Boogie. El gran Louis Prima sale.por aquí. Y en cuanto a Swing puro, en ocasiones con algún toque Boogie, el enorme Glenn Miller.
Excelente explicación, el baile es cultura y mucho de este baile y estilo de música, no sabía sus características, gracias y espero que haya más información sobre este tema, felicidades!!
¡Gracias! Tienes más al respecto en otros vídeos, por ejemplo en este sobre los estilos de baile Swing: ua-cam.com/video/orkq_c8Vwl8/v-deo.html
Puedes disponibilizar de alguna manera la linea del tiempo indicando donde se encuentra cada estilo musical? Me gustaria de verla por completo
El esquema de bailes está en nuestra web: estiloswing.es/diagrama-historico-de-los-bailes-swing/ y el de estilos musicales es este: images.app.goo.gl/QFbUnpfoTQkwgkaZ7 Esperamos hacer uno que combine las dos cosas, con más información 🔥
Excelente información como siempre, muchísimas gracias
Gracias a ti por verlo!
Excelente explicación. Gracias! Yo quisiera saber el origen del baile West Coast Swing y que hicieran tutoriales para principiantes. Saludos!
En resumen el West Coast Swing moderno (el original no era exactamente lo mismo) es otro de los bailes que procede de adaptar el Lindy Hop e, indirectamente, de las mecánicas popularizadas por Dean Collins y sus discípulos (aunque él renegaba de esta relación, al parecer). Tomamos nota, un abrazo!
Excelente explicación.
Gracias por tus palabras.
Филипп,прекрасно!!!
Where can I find the timeline image at 1:14? Thanks!
You can find it here: www.practicapoetica.com/music/articles/american-music-history-chart/American-Music-History-Chart.png
I find most if correct, however, Boogie Woogie dance did not occur, in the form we know today, before the mid 80s. The dancing they are doing in both Rock Around The Clock and Don´t Knock The Rock is Lindy Hop or LA Style Lindy. The dancing inspired what we today call Boogie Woogie dance. Mambo was danced way before the 70s as shown on the time line. It was the big thing i the 50s and was danced long time before this too.
In the heydays of Swing - people sometimes referred their dance to simply as "Swing dancing" just like you in the 30s often heard "They are Jitterbuggin". This despite we know better today.
Last thing, remember the clip with Shorty George, their Lindy Hop is so close to Charleston based basic and do not bear resemblanche to The Lindy Hop danced in the swing era as well as today. No-one really dance like the first time generation due to we do not play Hot Jazz as from the 20s.
Yes, is true. This video is just a short explanaition for everybody, and i illustrated the styles with related (but not always historically accurate) videos. Splitting hairs here will defeat the purpose of reaching a big audience of people that, at least here in Spain, have huge information gaps. And of course, you can say "Swing dancing" for convenience, but some people in my country can't tell the difference between Swing and Lindy Hop (they think they are the same) and that's why i made the video. In our web we mention also that in Rock Around The Clock and Don´t Knock The Rock they are just dancing a style of Lindy Hop, but the spirit of Boogie-Woogie dance is starting there in some elements, as you mention, and that's why i picked the Gil Brady's scene, the more "boogie looking" dancer in that clip (as modern Boogie-Woogie is, as many other styles, just a Lindy derivation suited to Rock&Roll music and related genres. The transition is there, even if modern Boogie-Woogie as we know it today came later, and from the 80s had his own evolution; first modern boogie dancers looked different than in 2000s competitions). With George Snowden, i did another video with the whole story in collaboration with Harri Heinila, and he is here because he represents the roots of Lindy. Thank you for all your valuable insights, much appreciated! PD: Subscribed to your channel, looks interesting!
In both "Rock Around the Clock" and "Don´t Knock the Rock" actually they are doing "The Jitterbug". In the film "Hellzapopping" they do "Lindy Hop", a dance fit to deslocate the joints of all but the most seasoned terpsichorean athletes, which swept U.S.A in the thirties to the beat of "hot jazz" (particularly a ditty called Jumping Jive).
@@willpn100 No, they are LA style Lindy Hoppin´ not the same as The Lindy Hop they did at The Savoy. I do know the story of Lindy Hop and how it developed and progressed. To my knowledge HOT JAZZ was the music of the 20s and SWING of the 30s. I may be wrong here but that is what I have read and been taught. Jump Jazz was around 1937 "Jive" slang talk and in the 40s "same" as Jitterbug.
First time the word Jitterbug was used - 1934, Cab Calloway and "Jitter Bug", later to be used for the dancers at The Savoy that couldn´t dance properly but just "jumped" around. Again in the late 30s Whitey renamed his dane troupe as Whithey´s Jitterbugs.
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In those films, many essential steps to qualify them as lindy hop do not appear. Also, there are no steps that move the dancers' joints. If it's lindy hop, it's very poor in steps, so much so that one of the actors asks what kind of dance it is. It's a mix. The term lindy hop isn´t mentioned.
@@willpn100 What steps are correct Lindy Hop? You are familar with the way we dance today is very different compared to the way they danced back in the hey days? First time generations is very different compared to the the next generation etc. I have been dancing Lindy Hop for the past 25 years and my dance and steps are different today compared to what I did initially.
When he asks what kinda a dance it is, you have to bear in mind, this is a movie. The music is so slow compared to the swing era. And no the term Lindy Hop was rarely used in the 50s as they called everything for "rock and roll" or Jiitterbug.
These dancers were dancing in the swing days to much faster music, hense it looks phoney to rock and roll music + the tempo. Take a look a the clip from Swing Fever and you see NO tripple steps there with Lennie Smith and Jean Veloz.
Remember Lindy Hop as a term was already already old school in the late 30s and new names emerged, one of the was Jitterbug, hense Whitey renamed his groups to Whitey´s Jitterbugs and the term Lindy Hop is not mentioned in Hellzapoppn´ either, they call the dance for THE CONGEROO.
En la Salsa puede arrancar con un rumba y bailar rumba pero es musical no podes en una salsa si esta sonando un son querer hacer rumba se respeta el estilo de baile en el mismo tema aunque esta mezclado se baila por separado tambien puede haber una pachanga o arrancar en un son y pasar a un son montuno, en el baile podes bailar si podes bailar en distintos tiempo que seria on1 o on2 o a tiempo de son.