4:40 - the first two Patriots were rebuilds of the large Claughtons, using parts from the older locos. The next forty were actually totally new locos but classified as rebuilds for accountancy reasons.
Thompson's dislike of Gresley is very much over played by enthusiasts, by the time Thompson took over, the LNER was in a terrible state, having very little money, with the restrictions placed upon him by the war and subsequent post war austerity, he was in a position of having to rebuild a lot of Gresley locos, which were utterly worn out, and turn them into something just as powerful but a little less high maintainance. People often site his rebuild of Gresley's Great Northern as an example of Thompson's dislike of Gresley, but the simple fact is, Great Northern was chosen as both the most worn out and the next into works. Similarly, the A2/2s were only rebuilt as such owing to the need to simplify the design. It is worth remembering that Gresley himself rebuilt / scrapped a number of Holden, Raven, Robinson etc machines, but we don't view him with such animosity.
Yeah, I simply trusted the wrong sources(Wikipedia and Jim Van Der Kolk). When I do a Dead On Arrival episode for the A2/2s, I will definitely be more sympathetic toward Thompson and put more blame on WW2, not to mention he had a really tough life. At the time, he had just lost his wife and also had to live in his office because his house was destroyed by the Germans during the war.
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 on the other hand, Gresley wasn't as keen on O.V.S. Bulleid who he is reported to have said, he wouldn't trust to design a pair of roller skates
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 Easy mistake to make with Thompson. I'd suggest this video for a real in depth look at the guy. ua-cam.com/video/AsY6AW5Ts08/v-deo.html
@@olly5764 Shown at the beginning and under the HM text is the LMS 2P 4-4-0 . 138 were built and all chopped into small pieces with cutting torches and melted down. Great work was done scrapping the whole class!
Hi just watched your very interesting review. I was fortunate that my last school was 300yds from a main freight line. I left that school in 1968. I used to go to Crewe works on a Sunday and walk around the workshops whist the steam locos were still being serviced. How i miss those days with my mates. You did not just walk in, one had to apply to the superintendant for a pass in advance. Running gear on the rails and boilers in the air on gantry cranes. I live by one of the most scenic railways in the U K. If i was clever with computers i would put on this new fangled machine 4472 Flying Scotsman, three foot from me doing 90mph on a tour from London on its return through Pensarn. Maybe i will post it one day. The two best films made for steam locos ever in Britain are, Oh mister porter, starring Will Hay, Moore Marriot and Graham Moffat, and The Titfield Thunderbolt. Every famous British actor of the day was in it. If you do decide to watch this film you maybe pleased to know that the subsistute locomotive still exists today. Built in 1829 it is housed in the waterfront museum Liverpool,its original name is Lion. Many thanks. Ron
The LMS Fowler 2-6-4 tank definitely should have mentions. The Midland Railway had built an 0-6-4 tank often called "Flat irons", which were inside cylindered engines which worked better in reverse than forwards. When Derby came to design a new 2-6-4 Tank there was a basis in the flat irons. The outside cylinders used for the Crabs was adopted and Fowler insisted that long lap travel valves were used. As a result a very good 2-6-4 Tank was produced, which even William Stanier accepted was a good locomotive and initially only modified in its cab details. It went on to influence the NI 2-6-0 W and 2-6-4 WT. Stanier put on a taper boiler, Fairburn (Ivatt) shortened the wheelbase and eventually BR Standards were strongly influenced by the concept. They were a good locomotive. A driver who had driven all except the NI engines, said that you couldn't put a cigarette paper between them, meaning that there wasn't a lot of difference in their performance.
Thompson never hated Gresley, as was discussed on a podcast regarding Thompson, he had a difficult job on his hand during WW2, and actually CHOSE to maintain quite a lot of Gresley locomotives. If you don't believe me, check out Railway Mania's podcast where he's discussed. And also, that bit about the A2/2's isn't entirely true, seeing as they achieved a higher availability, and retained some of the positives from their older P2 forms.
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 It's no biggie, you aren't the first to have that happen. When I first got into railways, I thought the same about Thompson, but after learning a fair bit on the man, I feel more pity than anger. But regardless, your work on this video is stunning as always, keep up the good work!
I would have never treated Thompson his badly if I had made this video latter than I did, because I would have had plenty of time to develop a proper understanding of the man like that of History In The Dark’s analysis of the guy in his Edward Thompson video. Infact, my Halloween special for this year was going to include my new and updated knowledge of Thompson, which would have had info for more verified sources, and more importantly not treated him so badly, infact rather showing sympathy. Afterall he was CME during WW2, trying to readapt the railway into a life without Gresley. On top of that, his house got destroyed in a German bomb raid, and his wife had died in the 1930s. He was depressed as heck, so it was no wander he wasn’t in the best shape nor time to show what he could really accomplish even with the success of locomotives like the B1’s and K5’s.
How to make a successful Praire: -Do not use Praire tender engines if other, more compatible locos are aviable in sufficient numbers! The only case when you need it is if the length is confined, but you want wide firebox. -Compounding is a good practice, but 2-cyl superheated engines are more efficient and cheaper to operate. -If you need an express engine very urgently, because the Atlantics are insufficient at traction power, but their boiler and framework is well designed, you have a nearly full Praire. Turn it from a 4-4-2 to a 2-6-2, and you get more pull.
Love the zee class pronounced zed class. V4 one of my favourites too. GWR Grange class, the engine mans engine?? J38 0-6-0 Greeley’s first LNER design. Darlington built, for coal traffic in Fife, Scotland, the Scots preferred their Scottish built 0-6-0’s, the English preferred the J39s mainly English based loco’s. But it’s all about opinion!
Oh yeah, in America we pronounce it as Zee, whereas the British and Canadians and others pronounce it as Zed. Forgot about that but of course I was lazy AF during production
if Thomas had been based on LNER J50 tank engine it would have meant that he was related to Gordon the big express engine who is an LNER A1 class express engine that would have made them cousins
I recall visiting Crewe Works in 1959, and viewing the paint shop, we were treated to see British Legion (the Scot rebuilt from Fury) sparkling in new paint having her tender transfer peeled off.
It would be difficult to include one offs in a list like this unless they were really successful. Fury, The Great Bear and Big Bertha would be a No. Stanier's Turbomotive I would clas as Borderline. When it was working it was superb but had a habit of breaking down nevertheless it was still one of the most successful experimental locomotives ever built.
one of my favourite extinct british engines has to be the NBR H class, the 'North British Atlantics.' It's especially tragic as one was briefly preserved, after already been cut up and then rebuilt, only to be scrapped thanks to the outbreak of ww2. Also i've never heard of the Raven A2's before but damn there's something striking about them.
In my opinion the Raven Pacifics should have been ranked No.2. Furthermore the P2s were preceded by the P1s. These were essentially an A3 boiler on a Mikado frame, otherwise reasonable video
How about the Highland 'River' Class - a fine loco which failed due to lack of understanding by the civil engineers. Agreed Thomson had a difficult task to maintain availability during WW2 but he had none of the flair of a great engineer. I'd place him as a first-class maintenance mechanic but uninspired and promoted above his pay grade. The B1 was a solid reliable design but at least 3 decades out of date in terms of design. Pretty much a shrunk down Raven Pacific! There was a good reason why when BR needed more locos in this power and availability class they went for a Mark 2 'Black Five'.
Agreed. On this whole thing with Thompson though, I hadn’t fully gotten a proper understanding of the guy like you have typed. I didn’t develop initial earlier his year thanks to Darkness The Curse
I would like the e2 locomotives, even if Thomas wasent based on it. I love the design of the remade e2 locomotives, even though they weren't the most comfortable runner's, but the looks pay off lol
Heck, I’d be much happier rebuilding an E2 into Thomas’s dimensions, with a slightly bigger bunker, slight increase to the height of the water tanks, and making it suitable for both passenger and freight trains, as well as shunting of course.
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014That is an amazing idea Andrew Raila, that would not only make kids happy, but also us older fans too. Give me a fist bump! *BOOM*!!!
Fun fact thomas was never ment to be an e2 tank he was originally supposed to be a j50 but he was turned into an e2 instead but the reverend made thomas have all the e2 features taken away
Still, the E2 basis idea was a horrible blunder. They could have easily made E2-like alterations like the Sind tanks to the J50 Thomas design, keeping everything else original
As wonderful as gresley was, and the lovely variety of lner locomotives, the lner was financially struggling, and part of the reason was they had so, so so many different locomotive types, it was a nightmare to service the things. That’s why the Thompson era was all about simplifying the engines. The GWR didn’t have the variety in designs, it that worked to their advantage, because they all used similar parts. At least that’s what I’ve gathered.
Yeah, but understand too that I was still new to this stuff at the time and my thoughts about Thompson were severely misguided by the wrong people. Nowadays I would have never treated Thompson so poorly because I’ve matured and listened to more sides of the story from other creators, especially “History In The Dark”
Another group of extinct locomotives that can be covered are the series of Robinson's 4-6-0 locomotives for the Great Central Railway. Under the LNER they were the B1 through B9. The 4-6-0 locomotives received mixed reviews. Some of the classes such as the B2 " Sir Sam Fay" and B3 "Lord Faringdon" were not successful in its intended role of express passenger, others such as the B4 and B7 class, which were built as mixed traffic, were more successful. The Robinson 4-6-0's of B1 to B9 were displaced by the Thompson B1s post war, the former classes would of been withdrawn by 1950. None were preserved.
Oh so agreed! Special mention ought to be made for the rather unlucky 8N's, which became the B6's in LNER service. A highly competent locomotive, often entrusted with the Great Central leg of the Newcastle - Southampton cross country expresses, only a few (6, I think but I may be wrong) were built, and the (admittedly fairly successful) 9Q's (LNER B7's) were built instead. I like both locos a lot, but I do think the 8N's (B6) were rather hard done by.
I know more Prairie type engines like the v1 and v3 tank engines of the LNER v3 being rebuilds of v1s which were tank engine version of v2 and the GWR had a huge fleet of prairie s with 51xx/61xx a couple more large prairie and the small prairies and the br standard 2 and 3 also I think the lms 2-6-4t still exists also wilbert did not change Thomas to an e2 the the person who did the drawings for the first book Thomas appeared in saw a picture awdry sent he had a choice of a lms jinty and the LNER j50 but the drawer mistook the the Jinty for a LBSCR E2 and the little blue embarrassment was born
Another indication of who idiotically I used this into production, not even wanting to listen to my own poorly projected voice under the influence of my garage mic at the time.
I just found out that the big city engine from the book Gordon goes foreign was based off of the LMS patriots they we’re talking about the stations in London
At least some of these lived on in 00 scale ready to run models, in the UK. J50 0-6-0T = Lima (1970's to 1980's) 2MT 2-6-2T = Triang Railways / Triang - Hornby / Hornby Railways R.59 (1956 to 1978) L1 4-4-0 = Triang Railways / Triang Hornby / Hornby Railways R.350 (1960 to 1974)
So cool it's a shame that Thomas was not based of the J50 but instead he was based of the Infamous LBSCR E2 I suggest you do the same honorable mention for American Locomotive
Can someone explain to me why the L 1 is bad and Andrew an engine I would add to that honorable mentions list is and L S W R and S E C R Locomotives like the Drummond 700 and secr E and J class
The engine in 4:09 is not a Patriot. It looks like an LMS standard 2P, a much smaller locomotive with only four driving wheels and not six. Both the 2Ps and Patriots were very successful and numerous, and now extinct. It is great that you talk about the new-build project to build a Patriot in its advanced stages. I didn't know there was also a project to build a new V4.
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 10 bucks says 1 of them was Roger! XD (He was a J70 from a fanmade Thomas Horror Story) (Spoilers, He met a *Crushing* end via Falling crane)
For the American honorable meantions, I think you forgot the Southern Railroad Fs class 4-6-0 because of 1102 is a Fs class that the song Wreck of the old 97 was based off from. Denver & Rio Grande Western C-41 2-8-0T No.01 the only Tank locomotive the railroad had. For the record, Ffestnoig railway rebuilt a Alco 2-6-2T with a cab style of their Farlie steamers, which is ugly. Talking about insult towards American builds.
They did have a more restricted loading gauge and other parameters in their infrastructure too, which would explain why they favored older wheel arrangements like the 4-6-0 over newer ones like the 4-6-2.
Sick and Tired of People Hating on E2s 1. The bunker and tanks were FINE, it was the Boiler 2. THEY WEREN'T EVEN DESIGNED TO PULL PASSENGER TRAINS OR WORK IN DOCKYARDS 3. They'd Never go that fast in Regular Service so Rough Riding at High Speeds wasn't even that much of a problem 4. The S100s didn't replace them, The E2s came to Southampton AFTER the S100s, the S100s having been there since the 1940s, They Both Helped Eachother, the E2s Handling the Heavier Shunting, and the S100s Handling the Tight dockyard curvature, And they both Got Replaced by the BR Class 07s in the 1960s
The M Bison clip was enough to have me subscribed to your channel.
Also, thanks for the mention at 12:42. ;)
Good video...no need to make excuses for sound quality or errors, your enthusiasm is greater than these...
4:40 - the first two Patriots were rebuilds of the large Claughtons, using parts from the older locos. The next forty were actually totally new locos but classified as rebuilds for accountancy reasons.
Thompson's dislike of Gresley is very much over played by enthusiasts, by the time Thompson took over, the LNER was in a terrible state, having very little money, with the restrictions placed upon him by the war and subsequent post war austerity, he was in a position of having to rebuild a lot of Gresley locos, which were utterly worn out, and turn them into something just as powerful but a little less high maintainance.
People often site his rebuild of Gresley's Great Northern as an example of Thompson's dislike of Gresley, but the simple fact is, Great Northern was chosen as both the most worn out and the next into works. Similarly, the A2/2s were only rebuilt as such owing to the need to simplify the design. It is worth remembering that Gresley himself rebuilt / scrapped a number of Holden, Raven, Robinson etc machines, but we don't view him with such animosity.
Yeah, I simply trusted the wrong sources(Wikipedia and Jim Van Der Kolk). When I do a Dead On Arrival episode for the A2/2s, I will definitely be more sympathetic toward Thompson and put more blame on WW2, not to mention he had a really tough life. At the time, he had just lost his wife and also had to live in his office because his house was destroyed by the Germans during the war.
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 on the other hand, Gresley wasn't as keen on O.V.S. Bulleid who he is reported to have said, he wouldn't trust to design a pair of roller skates
@barnabyjoy a lot of stuff got modified draughting, plus continued the rebuilding of locos such as the A3s (a process started by Gresley himself)
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 Easy mistake to make with Thompson. I'd suggest this video for a real in depth look at the guy. ua-cam.com/video/AsY6AW5Ts08/v-deo.html
@@olly5764 Shown at the beginning and under the HM text is the LMS 2P 4-4-0 . 138 were built and all chopped into small pieces with cutting torches and melted down. Great work was done scrapping the whole class!
Some good honorable mentions would be the nbr H class and the highland railway clan class
The J50 were also known as the Ardsley Tanks, because one of their main depot was the Ardsley depot between Leeds and Wakefield.
Hi just watched your very interesting review. I was fortunate that my last school was 300yds from a main freight line. I left that school in 1968. I used to go to
Crewe works on a Sunday and walk around the workshops whist the steam locos were still being serviced. How i miss those days with my mates. You did not just
walk in, one had to apply to the superintendant for a pass in advance. Running gear on the rails and boilers in the air on gantry cranes. I live by one of the most
scenic railways in the U K. If i was clever with computers i would put on this new fangled machine 4472 Flying Scotsman, three foot from me doing 90mph on
a tour from London on its return through Pensarn. Maybe i will post it one day.
The two best films made for steam locos ever in Britain are, Oh mister porter, starring Will Hay, Moore Marriot and Graham Moffat, and The Titfield Thunderbolt.
Every famous British actor of the day was in it. If you do decide to watch this film you maybe pleased to know that the subsistute locomotive still exists today.
Built in 1829 it is housed in the waterfront museum Liverpool,its original name is Lion.
Many thanks. Ron
The LMS Fowler 2-6-4 tank definitely should have mentions. The Midland Railway had built an 0-6-4 tank often called "Flat irons", which were inside cylindered engines which worked better in reverse than forwards. When Derby came to design a new 2-6-4 Tank there was a basis in the flat irons. The outside cylinders used for the Crabs was adopted and Fowler insisted that long lap travel valves were used. As a result a very good 2-6-4 Tank was produced, which even William Stanier accepted was a good locomotive and initially only modified in its cab details. It went on to influence the NI 2-6-0 W and 2-6-4 WT. Stanier put on a taper boiler, Fairburn (Ivatt) shortened the wheelbase and eventually BR Standards were strongly influenced by the concept. They were a good locomotive. A driver who had driven all except the NI engines, said that you couldn't put a cigarette paper between them, meaning that there wasn't a lot of difference in their performance.
Thompson never hated Gresley, as was discussed on a podcast regarding Thompson, he had a difficult job on his hand during WW2, and actually CHOSE to maintain quite a lot of Gresley locomotives. If you don't believe me, check out Railway Mania's podcast where he's discussed. And also, that bit about the A2/2's isn't entirely true, seeing as they achieved a higher availability, and retained some of the positives from their older P2 forms.
It appears Wikipedia has distorted the fact to me
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 It's no biggie, you aren't the first to have that happen. When I first got into railways, I thought the same about Thompson, but after learning a fair bit on the man, I feel more pity than anger. But regardless, your work on this video is stunning as always, keep up the good work!
I would have never treated Thompson his badly if I had made this video latter than I did, because I would have had plenty of time to develop a proper understanding of the man like that of History In The Dark’s analysis of the guy in his Edward Thompson video. Infact, my Halloween special for this year was going to include my new and updated knowledge of Thompson, which would have had info for more verified sources, and more importantly not treated him so badly, infact rather showing sympathy. Afterall he was CME during WW2, trying to readapt the railway into a life without Gresley. On top of that, his house got destroyed in a German bomb raid, and his wife had died in the 1930s. He was depressed as heck, so it was no wander he wasn’t in the best shape nor time to show what he could really accomplish even with the success of locomotives like the B1’s and K5’s.
Making opinions on Thompson is a lot harder than I thought it would be
True, says me from the future. I’ll be a lot nicer to him next time I bring him up.
How to make a successful Praire:
-Do not use Praire tender engines if other, more compatible locos are aviable in sufficient numbers! The only case when you need it is if the length is confined, but you want wide firebox.
-Compounding is a good practice, but 2-cyl superheated engines are more efficient and cheaper to operate.
-If you need an express engine very urgently, because the Atlantics are insufficient at traction power, but their boiler and framework is well designed, you have a nearly full Praire. Turn it from a 4-4-2 to a 2-6-2, and you get more pull.
I saw the patriot rebuild project at the midland railway in the butterly in the steam shed
The Atlantic’s of the NER and North British worth a look as the passenger loco of the era.
Most interesting and looking forward to more. Good stuff.
Good bit with the dishonorable mentions in a list of honorable mentions.
Great job! Keep it up! RR history is the best!
That so called Zee is actually pronounced Zed
Well the prototype L1 was actually more successful than the production versions
I meant the LNER Thomson L1 at this
Love the zee class pronounced zed class. V4 one of my favourites too.
GWR Grange class, the engine mans engine?? J38 0-6-0 Greeley’s first LNER design. Darlington built, for coal traffic in Fife, Scotland, the Scots preferred their Scottish built 0-6-0’s, the English preferred the J39s mainly English based loco’s. But it’s all about opinion!
Oh yeah, in America we pronounce it as Zee, whereas the British and Canadians and others pronounce it as Zed. Forgot about that but of course I was lazy AF during production
if Thomas had been based on LNER J50 tank engine it would have meant that he was related to Gordon the big express engine who is an LNER A1 class express engine that would have made them cousins
Actually no they would not be cousins because they are different classes it does not matter if they were built on the lner
True. Big character change.
And an actual useful engine XD
LMS Fury is screaming in the background somewhere and is really really mad that he's not on the list
Forgot her, but she’d be a dishonorable mention anyway. She sucked
You could say she's... FURIOUS!
I recall visiting Crewe Works in 1959, and viewing the paint shop, we were treated to see British Legion (the Scot rebuilt from Fury) sparkling in new paint having her tender transfer peeled off.
It would be difficult to include one offs in a list like this unless they were really successful. Fury, The Great Bear and Big Bertha would be a No. Stanier's Turbomotive I would clas as Borderline. When it was working it was superb but had a habit of breaking down nevertheless it was still one of the most successful experimental locomotives ever built.
Awesome video
Well done!
one of my favourite extinct british engines has to be the NBR H class, the 'North British Atlantics.' It's especially tragic as one was briefly preserved, after already been cut up and then rebuilt, only to be scrapped thanks to the outbreak of ww2.
Also i've never heard of the Raven A2's before but damn there's something striking about them.
I love their look and have them in train simulator however I believe they were inferior to the a1s
Henry from Thomas is partly based on it
There still is a j50 lol
Some UK Steamers WERE written off as Progress for Diesels and Some UK steam Switchers were scrapped in favor of Class 08 Diesel switcher.
Ayy wasup Thomas
In my opinion the Raven Pacifics should have been ranked No.2. Furthermore the P2s were preceded by the P1s. These were essentially an A3 boiler on a Mikado frame, otherwise reasonable video
Reasonable by the standards of when my channel was in its infancy with this stuff anyway
one of the Honorable mentions you forgot was the LNER P1
The P1s are on my original list
I hope gonna do this but from steam Trains from México
How about the Highland 'River' Class - a fine loco which failed due to lack of understanding by the civil engineers.
Agreed Thomson had a difficult task to maintain availability during WW2 but he had none of the flair of a great engineer. I'd place him as a first-class maintenance mechanic but uninspired and promoted above his pay grade. The B1 was a solid reliable design but at least 3 decades out of date in terms of design. Pretty much a shrunk down Raven Pacific! There was a good reason why when BR needed more locos in this power and availability class they went for a Mark 2 'Black Five'.
Agreed. On this whole thing with Thompson though, I hadn’t fully gotten a proper understanding of the guy like you have typed. I didn’t develop initial earlier his year thanks to Darkness The Curse
I would like the e2 locomotives, even if Thomas wasent based on it. I love the design of the remade e2 locomotives, even though they weren't the most comfortable runner's, but the looks pay off lol
Heck, I’d be much happier rebuilding an E2 into Thomas’s dimensions, with a slightly bigger bunker, slight increase to the height of the water tanks, and making it suitable for both passenger and freight trains, as well as shunting of course.
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014That is an amazing idea Andrew Raila, that would not only make kids happy, but also us older fans too. Give me a fist bump! *BOOM*!!!
What about the LMS Fury, I think that was also a failed experiment and there was only 1 built
Yep. She too has been high on my list for a future Dead on Arrival video for a few months
Fun fact thomas was never ment to be an e2 tank he was originally supposed to be a j50 but he was turned into an e2 instead but the reverend made thomas have all the e2 features taken away
Les go, we got a true fan here
Also, not all the features were taken away, mainly the boiler,and wheel configuration still being there
Still, the E2 basis idea was a horrible blunder. They could have easily made E2-like alterations like the Sind tanks to the J50 Thomas design, keeping everything else original
LMS patriot class i think there is one currently being built witch is '' uknown worrior ''
As wonderful as gresley was, and the lovely variety of lner locomotives, the lner was financially struggling, and part of the reason was they had so, so so many different locomotive types, it was a nightmare to service the things. That’s why the Thompson era was all about simplifying the engines.
The GWR didn’t have the variety in designs, it that worked to their advantage, because they all used similar parts. At least that’s what I’ve gathered.
Indeed, Wikipedia is wrong again. I’m not trusting Wikipedia for getting info about Thompson ever again
Yeah, but understand too that I was still new to this stuff at the time and my thoughts about Thompson were severely misguided by the wrong people. Nowadays I would have never treated Thompson so poorly because I’ve matured and listened to more sides of the story from other creators, especially “History In The Dark”
Patroit is not now Extinct. There is a new build locomotive part complete. Love the section on the Southern Railway Class Z locomotives.
That doesn't count. All the originals were scrapped therefore the class is extinct. All the replicas in the world don't cut it.
Another group of extinct locomotives that can be covered are the series of Robinson's 4-6-0 locomotives for the Great Central Railway. Under the LNER they were the B1 through B9. The 4-6-0 locomotives received mixed reviews. Some of the classes such as the B2 " Sir Sam Fay" and B3 "Lord Faringdon" were not successful in its intended role of express passenger, others such as the B4 and B7 class, which were built as mixed traffic, were more successful. The Robinson 4-6-0's of B1 to B9 were displaced by the Thompson B1s post war, the former classes would of been withdrawn by 1950. None were preserved.
Oh so agreed! Special mention ought to be made for the rather unlucky 8N's, which became the B6's in LNER service. A highly competent locomotive, often entrusted with the Great Central leg of the Newcastle - Southampton cross country expresses, only a few (6, I think but I may be wrong) were built, and the (admittedly fairly successful) 9Q's (LNER B7's) were built instead. I like both locos a lot, but I do think the 8N's (B6) were rather hard done by.
I know more Prairie type engines like the v1 and v3 tank engines of the LNER v3 being rebuilds of v1s which were tank engine version of v2 and the GWR had a huge fleet of prairie s with 51xx/61xx a couple more large prairie and the small prairies and the br standard 2 and 3 also I think the lms 2-6-4t still exists also wilbert did not change Thomas to an e2 the the person who did the drawings for the first book Thomas appeared in saw a picture awdry sent he had a choice of a lms jinty and the LNER j50 but the drawer mistook the the Jinty for a LBSCR E2 and the little blue embarrassment was born
But currently hasn't been given a name yet
But currently hasn't been given a name yet
good video
Another indication of who idiotically I used this into production, not even wanting to listen to my own poorly projected voice under the influence of my garage mic at the time.
You should have included the LBSCR D3
I just found out that the big city engine from the book Gordon goes foreign was based off of the LMS patriots they we’re talking about the stations in London
The Aberdares weren't popular with crews being poor steamers. In one footplate man's memoirs they are called "The bloody awful Aberdares."
At least some of these lived on in 00 scale ready to run models, in the UK.
J50 0-6-0T = Lima (1970's to 1980's)
2MT 2-6-2T = Triang Railways / Triang - Hornby / Hornby Railways R.59 (1956 to 1978)
L1 4-4-0 = Triang Railways / Triang Hornby / Hornby Railways R.350 (1960 to 1974)
Seeing that thumbnail makes me feel so sad like rip random 4-4-0 or something loco
I thought they were more V4 than 2
So cool it's a shame that Thomas was not based of the J50 but instead he was based of the Infamous LBSCR E2
I suggest you do the same honorable mention for American Locomotive
Damn i wish i could have thomas and edward in my backyard
The prototype Thompson L1 Adriatic tank was fine but the production batch were worse than the prototype
how do you only khow thomas by a e2
Can someone explain to me why the L 1 is bad and Andrew an engine I would add to that honorable mentions list is and L S W R and S E C R Locomotives like the Drummond 700 and secr E and J class
I think they deserve some love since they are mostly forgotten especially the J because they are a rare 0-6-4 type
And the southern W class
It had to do with counterbalancing problems and swaying. I know, I only put brief descriptions for each one
Personally Thomas should've been an E3 class or at least an E1
L1 2-6-4t
neat
Will the southern Z class get a rebuild? I guess not?
No hope
@@peterheath9002 😢😢😔😔
6:33 why is this picture an eyesore to me
6:36 that's better
IN the UK they were called "Zed" class, not "Zee" because of the way we say Z LOL
Yeah, we’ll my impatient mind forgot to make note of it until it was too late
D16 4-4-0 LNER
I put those on my original list
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 didn't see that list, sorry. did you do the GCR D11 Directors?
@@peterheath9002 Those aren't quite extinct. The National Railway Museum has a D11.
0:03 this 4-4-0
The engine in 4:09 is not a Patriot. It looks like an LMS standard 2P, a much smaller locomotive with only four driving wheels and not six. Both the 2Ps and Patriots were very successful and numerous, and now extinct. It is great that you talk about the new-build project to build a Patriot in its advanced stages. I didn't know there was also a project to build a new V4.
Dude, what? You put in the wrong time stamp. Also, even if you did, it makes no sense
14:35 NOOOOOHOOOOO!!! NOT TOBY!😭😭😭
Yeah, it’s disappointing all the J70s got scrapped
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 10 bucks says 1 of them was Roger! XD
(He was a J70 from a fanmade Thomas Horror Story)
(Spoilers, He met a *Crushing* end via Falling crane)
@@andrea_cross_9420 lol
@@sirwelcome But... Roger is D e a d....
when i was you young and green the station of lordan is king cross the patriot;kings cross is not king cross´s is eutens
Engines which lasted 50 years couldn't have been all that bad.
Turns out the E2s only lasted the long thanks to the havoc of both world wars and the southern not preferring to replace aging locomotives
No southern designs survived (if you don't count the ex K class U boat locomotive 31806
For the American honorable meantions, I think you forgot the Southern Railroad Fs class 4-6-0 because of 1102 is a Fs class that the song Wreck of the old 97 was based off from. Denver & Rio Grande Western C-41 2-8-0T No.01 the only Tank locomotive the railroad had. For the record, Ffestnoig railway rebuilt a Alco 2-6-2T with a cab style of their Farlie steamers, which is ugly. Talking about insult towards American builds.
when you realise that Thomas the Tank Engine was a flop irl
Noting the E2’s did 50 years service just as the J50. A really bad engine? No. A good shunting engine, yes.
nice....and sus
I really dont like any GWR locos... They always look "antiquated"... By the standards of the other 3 companies.
They did have a more restricted loading gauge and other parameters in their infrastructure too, which would explain why they favored older wheel arrangements like the 4-6-0 over newer ones like the 4-6-2.
Sick and Tired of People Hating on E2s
1. The bunker and tanks were FINE, it was the Boiler
2. THEY WEREN'T EVEN DESIGNED TO PULL PASSENGER TRAINS OR WORK IN DOCKYARDS
3. They'd Never go that fast in Regular Service so Rough Riding at High Speeds wasn't even that much of a problem
4. The S100s didn't replace them, The E2s came to Southampton AFTER the S100s, the S100s having been there since the 1940s, They Both Helped Eachother, the E2s Handling the Heavier Shunting, and the S100s Handling the Tight dockyard curvature, And they both Got Replaced by the BR Class 07s in the 1960s