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I feel if a element is recommended they should be able to do enough damage that is why i think light should get a power boost since they arent even usable in that wobl because they did not balance that battle for both types of units fire and light
with each update and new hunter they just kill the older hunters game keeps killing hunters to send more and gain more money they cant keep all hunter awesome like when first released . they need to make all hunters playable with their different play style and nerf and buff
Problem is if you are saying that two elements should be able to beat a boss battle both should be able to beat it not just one team and the other one is basically at the same level of attack power as a none elemental advantage character if an element is needed they should have an advantage not the same as other hunters there is a disbalance in that sense of light and fire and if the boss was made for fire then put only fire advantage not fire and light advantage
Hi i have a question im not sure if you already have a video up about it but how do i get to craft Blessing Stone amd how do i find the refinement for it ive looked on google but no info
In my honest opinion, the problem is not the current fire element meta... the problem is that the devs sold us the light meta as something that was going to last for months when Thomas Andre arrived and we could all enjoy the gameplay of the character as it was supposed to happen... but what happens now? that all the content creators, the whales and the devs force us to spend more resources to build characters that in 1 month we will no longer use... and the worst of all is that, already knowing all this, the content creators are making videos and videos saying that the fire element meta is very broken now and that we should spend all our resources ON GETTING THOSE CHARACTERS... when they did exactly the same thing when Thomas Andre came out they all said and said to spend all the resources on Thomas Andre and now that character and now everyone has him at A10 but without being able to use him and now there are very few players who do not have esil at A5 because they no longer have tickets or essences to spend and now the content they have made to take advantage of the element No one can play fire because no one has the fire element characters with artifacts or anything, it's a big problem that the devs surely hope to solve when the next boss arrives after deimos.
@kamilstars2305 yeah keep it at A0 save those Essence bro play deimos with the light team and save resources the fire element wont have much time here...
Instead of light element its more like Thomas Andre, Light was already pretty solid because Go was there and when Thomas came out, People really wanted to get him so they pulled for him, They consider for those who can't yet so they extended the duration. And then Akari came out which is another light hunter. It was a fodder banner and many took the bait imo.
F2P IS ALL COOKED. IM SEMI WHALE, PUT ALL INVESTMENT ON LIGHT. HOPING LIGHT WILL BE USEFULL IN DEIMOS, BUT NOW? THEY ARE LACKED BEHIND FIRE META ??? DEVS EXPECT US TO SPEND ON FIRE UNITS AGAIN AFTER WE PUT ALL IN LIGHT? THIS IS UNJUSTIFIED TO US. I KNOW THIS IS GACHA, BUT DEVS PUSH TOO FAR FOR US ALL. MY LIGHT TEAM AT A10 THOMAS, A9 GO AND A5 AKARI/A10 MIN. YET THIS TEAM FEEL WEAKER THAN MY NEW FIRE TEAM LIKES A7 YOO, A7 ESIL AND A5 GINA. MY FRIENDS ALRESDY QUITTED THE GAME DUE TO THIS GAME BEING NOT FRIENDLY EVEN TO US SEMI-WHALE, WHAT SAY F2P.
I have spent more than 100k for light team and near perfect build i think for hard next wobl. And now netmarble meta light Weak against deimos?? Holy shit. Man i have no money now to build perfect fire meta😢
A national level hunter should always be better than the rest slightly. Also if you advertise a mission as light/fire then both need to be 100% viable for this mode that requires the most work
Also light got no wobl content to shine, and it was already powercrept in a month. Heck even in guild battle Yoo trashes Thomas, even though thomas was tailor made for group battles. Also Akira is worst support which made it even worse.
The problem isn't the meta shift , the problem is how long it takes to build up the units. It takes on average 70 tickets for a single SSR. Not to mention all of the gold and other resources. We have to do this 10 times, so at minimum 700 tickets, assuming each pull is what you need. In reality, it's closer to 1400 tickets to A10 a unit, even as much as 4000 tickets, depending on the banner. Then we have their weapons, which is another thing altogether. You need to do this 3 times . We need far better pull rates and more tickets. Later content simply is unplayable unless you start an account specifically for the current meta. Love this game but it should not take several thousand dollars to play late game content.
@@ericsmith2777depends on your luck. I think usually it takes about 350 to 400 Tickets to A5 a unit Sometimes you get lucky with 250 pulls but sometimes over 500 or even more 😅
@@ericsmith2777 Even on rates ups most people dont draw the specific SSR rate up, it has happened to me a lot of times and not just about hunters but also for weapons.
I think meta shifts are okey. But main problem is that nm made 2 light hunter banners before Deimos came (thomas and akari) and lots of people invest in light units in order to clear wobl then netmarble made first boss weak to armor penetration is kinda tricky and cheap move from netmarble team.
@@ghostface873 Who Tf are you? Nobody's asking you lil twat. Netmarble caters to the majority. Stay crying like a lil wuss and go back to whatever shitty job you had.
Not just a national level hunter, a vessel of a ruler not just korea's 1st S rank, the brightest fragment of brilliant light not just a S class healer, argueably the best healer that we see in the series and also have the offensive capabilities of an A rank
0 meaning while the game is literally based on the manwha. Have you even ever played gacha games? last week's banner wouldnt get power creept the next week and as far as i know, archons are still fucking meta or close to it in genshin which are basically national hunters/vessels in solo leveling. Heck even the dogass gachas ive played like xsamkok, reverse1999, blue archive, eminence, bluelock, epic seven have units that are a tier above maintaining meta for a few months. Do i even need to talk about other more mainstream gachas. FGO doesnt even come close to the word power creep when waver, skadi, castoria has been on the top of caster tierlist or near the top of all servant tierlist
I think the game at this point is missing some crucial improvements .
1. More WOBL keys should be added or make it possible to buy more ( as F2P ) 2. Dungeon keys should be removed to promote in game time play after all this dungeons are just to get better gear, late game players should be able to spend most of the time here. 3. Guarantee WOBL enhancement cores ( I did X3 on isil stage and got none ) 4. Add in game chat for guilds 5. Improve somehow the rates of certain sets ( maybe using the same system of custom banners ) 6. Add a different amount of resources to improve shadows ( gate ) according to battle tier ( this should also improve the time a player stay in game ) 7. Double the artifact space to 8000 8. IMPROVE AKARI ( worst 600 pulls of my life )
Most late players spend an hour in game and we are done, everyone wants better hunters , P2W, F2P. It's a matter of find a balance between what players want and what is good financially to the company.
As players we understand that games stay alive by people spending money , however I have to say that I didn't appreciate yet again another " Meilin " type of situation. So much hype to promote Thomas , such hype to promote a support for Thomas ( ikari ( really needs a buff , otherwise was an hunter that was released that is just useless ) ) and in the end we had to adjust to fire to have a chance to beat hard mode WOBL in less than a month . Not a cool move ( this was my message on the 24th of Jan in the forum )
Today (30/1) we know that light wont make it through the next hard WOBL, because they are basically useless due to having no def pen ( native ) , why did devs promoted 2 hunters before a new WOBL ( therefore draws = time or money ) when they had planned the def pen gimmick knowing that people invested on light ? was the fire team a way for people to invest more ? is it ok to have an event such as WOBL and 1 of the elements in other content doing 3x the amount of damage? maybe its better for people just to invest on fire from now on and that's it . doesn't make sense, was a bad move from the devs team and i really hope the community give some financial backlash in the next months.
Games need to make money, we understand that . but not by tricking people when it was already said " we wont add another meilin type of situation "
I hope you guys fix this situation in a way that people can see their investments shine a bit when comes to the light team. otherwise, its better to just delete the light team from the WOBL and let the community pretend it was never there in the first place.
Until now i spent some money in the game, but after this ? i dont think its fair for me to give you any money knowing that one month you say one thing and then you create content with the gimmick you said you wont repeat ( X hunter have a skill / atribute that helps beat content ( meilin on vulcan's shield for example ).
Il ont toujour dit que leur buts et la diversité de jeux aussi pas utilser que les meme skill et armes essayer de trouver un juste milieu entre f2p et p2w au début ces compliquer ces avec le temp cela le devient moin avec une box diverse et bien opti
This guy got it spot on I believed fire to be the new meta after this wobl however after this update I'm disappointed cuz they've gone back on their words I feel like they are running out on ideas on how to make content enjoyable/retain users daily game time
Akari is the worst support. Esil made Yoo from Good to Godly whereas Akari did nothing to thomas. I would say Akira skills takes too much time and she feels clunky to play, so even now I use Min.
Yeah they made akari really useless....😅 A5 is only a bit better than A1 min And they should have made the fire icon in the woble 3 times bigger than light one. So they cans show how much better fire team is and make people spend more money on fire.... And what about the next update when even fire is gonna get powercrept or left out
They promised to not force pulls for specific hunters for hard content a while ago, I guess they kept their word, they forced an entire elemental team 😂
So essentially, around half of the playerbase (assuming the poll is representative of the population) is unhappy about the meta shift for varying reasons. Not a good look for NM.
@@fabiospar That's a horrible ratio. Imagine if half the playerbase was unsatisfied after every update. Game would be bleeding players and NM would be in full panic mode.
@@stargazer4752 if they backtrack now, the 50% that are satisfied will be dissatisfied. Won't the result still be the same? Atleast I am part of those that are satisfied and I would be dissatisfied if they somehow nerfed SooHyun. I think most of this dissatisfaction is because many people followed the youtubers advice and went crazy on the Thomas summons. And now Thomas isn't the one-guy beat all they thought he would be. But anyway, we're getting ahead of ourselves here. In reality, only 6k people voted on Zaff's poll. That's not even 1% of the playerbase
@@fabiospar @fabiospar so what should we had done?? be a psychic & not summon for the light team that was almost obviously was looking to be the trump card in the new WOBL & stored them for the then unstable fire team? If you gave a choice between Esil & Thomas, 90% of people would go for Thomas, as he was the top dawg. It's all about timing, it's like you planned a vacation for Maldives and got ready, only to be airdropped in the middle of freaking Alps! And even though you had the options to buy clothings(god knows how), you have already spent your expenditure money on getting ready for maldives.(it's just an analogy, DON'T NITPICK) If the fire team became hotter after WOBL, none would have complained as that was the general direction we all expected the road to go, but now, there's a big ass tree in the middle that can't be removed unless you have a freaking flamethrower! It's not about nerfing Hyun, but about the 180 turn of meta in a single patch without any prior knowledge. Incase of Meilin, we knew it was to come bc Alicia was released prior to her, Han-semi for Mirei(back to back almost), Andre & Akari, we knew that Charlotte, Harper & Isla were to be played as a trio, but Esil being the sudden nail in the wheel leaves a bad taste in us f2p & dolphins who had saved for months to build Andre & Akari to our liking.
@ The other guy that replied to you gave a pretty good response on why people are frustrated. Also, content creators are not to blame for this. They were simply articulating to the public the picture that NM was painting. Anyone that was paying attention would have come to the conclusion that Deimos was going to be the "finale" light content. Otherwise, what was the point of the light team? Simulation gate? Everyone that built up their light teams for WOBL got the rug pulled from under them. NM lied to us by omission and people are rightfully mad about the situation. As far as turning back, it's far too late for that. NM just have to understand why so many in the community are mad and they have to avoid situations like this in the future. (Note about polling: You poll a subsection of the population and take that to be a somewhat accurate representation of the whole. E.g. when they say that 40% of people approve of a president, they're not actually polling every single person in the country.)
They absolutely scammed us big time. All the previous WOBLs were equally viable for both element setups. But this time? I'm not even sure how well the light team would perform once hard is released. The intense back to back light banners hype with the anticipation of the new wobl and then turns out the underdog element takes the win with massive leaps. The high def gimmick just suggest that the over-hyped light units were not even meant for this as they were not built around def pen. This is coming from a player that has not heavily invested on the light time, what more for those who did?
That was your mistake, netmarble never said you needed a light team for wobl. I personally only got my Thomas to A4 with rate up tickets and later pushed to A5 with the custom draw.
Either hypocrisy or ignorance for these two. It was clear that they were hyping light units with extended thomas banner followed by a support unit paired with the announcement for the new wobl. They literally laid the idea that we need to invest in them to dominate it. Then guess what? They released a unit that would complete the fire team and a gimmick(high def monsters) that would then make the fire team so much better than light. Do you see the pattern here?
@@EdreilJohn ignorance huh. You should have seen by the testing that everyone did that Hakari's influence on the Light Team is just slightly better than Meilin's. Thats why I only got her to A0 for the events and nothing more. You can say whatever you want, but the truth is, you are the one regretting the choices you made, not me.
@@EdreilJohn hypocrisy or ignorance? How does that even go together ? Brother it sounds like you’re coping hard cuz without the influencers you’d never have thought any of that. I skipped Akari no matter how much influencers hyped her up cuz she’s literally not that good. Thomas was extended cuz he’s a big part of the show and it’s a national level hunter. You’re reaching HARD if you think all of this was set up for the player base to waste everything for the chance it was good in WOBL. Guess what he’s still good for it just not hard mode. Content ain’t supposed to be cleared on drop day bro get over it. I got Thomas to A10 no regrets yall just crying fr
Joined back after months I had quit on early realease , followed everyones advice to invest on him made my light team (Andre A10, Go A7, Min A6) and now I can't even use them properly. And all that in just 2 weeks after I started playing again. Waste of time and money.
@@venjaminffxi Good for you, i atleast got 3 and another later on lol I'm not doing that "YOU SHOULD PULL HIM TO A10!" My slight doubt when it comes to pulling him all the way saved me the trouble. My main goal was Kanae and always has been. Excited to see her in action.
Honestly I'm fine with the elemental rotation, not because I don't have Thomas i have him A10 but he comes in later in manwha. And they could just give him a power boost when it's time for him to shine. Only thing I can see that's really nerf worthy is how fast his ultimate recharges. But it brings a new strategy to the game and who knows could be a unit that buffs 2 elements at the same time later on.
I really love this game, I spent a lot of tickets to get Thomas A10, and also on Akari, and practically both became useless. I'm very frustrated with the situation of the game for us players lategame, I really hope NM buffs Akari and Thomas in WOBL, if that doesn't happen I'll spend no more Euros on this game.
Dev should do something about light team . Most of people including me invested in light team , especially Thomas Andre, I have A5 Thomad Andre , i feel baad . I Can't able to clear normal Deimos with Thomas Andre . Everything is pissed on Dev , they should do something . Thomas is our National Level Hunter , It doesn't make a Sense that A Rank Hunter outshine him with every high margin .I am Happy Yoo Soohyun is now useable but who wants that . I mean If Wobl have Elemental weakness Fire and light then it should be clear bye any one team among them . I am Pretty Sure Hard mode Demois cannot be cleared by light team at all . They should do something , so light team is also use able in Wobl . My all Investment in Light team in wasted , like others , I have A6 Goo , A5 Thomas and A5 Min and A6 Cha . With have total power more than 1 Million power and its hard to clear Normal mode Demios .
I'll be very honest...I was totally dissapointed by the move that devs did...they just threw Thomas and Akari as decoys...to make money...and after that just put them in the shadow... Especially considering the fact that it was also discussed very much about the fact that wobl will be week to light....it is week to light but the def pen mechanic just changes everything. To be honest my interest in the game declined very much due to this move...and I'm probably not the only one...
What I'm upset about is the crappy blessing stone crafting drop . It's dropping the blessing stones which i already have . Not once , but a few in a row . Same goes for the heroic runes . That's the only thing which makes me upset .
In every way this I don't know how many times I have done the fusions and I still only have less than a handful of legendary blessings and I have played every single day since launch of the game doing every single daily Even being a light spender supporting the developers which I normally wouldn't do in a pay to win game. But I liked the series so I was hoping the game would be good. I mean at least the gear upgrades aren't as bad as like in for example raid shadow legends holy hell. That game is so overly predatory on its monetization it's insane. Somehow I played that for over a year and never spent a dime. But still wanting to quit like almost everyday.
I just noticed that the power balance in the game is just horrible in some cases; for example... I got 800K power with all the elements buffed and upgraded, but I can't defeat a boss from the special dungeons that only request 500K solid power; that's been pissing me of usually, because I try so many variations of skills, blessings, hunters, but none of them work! even on the BIS missions that is happening. I love that game, but they should solve that broken system.
I feel cheated out of my money. People invested in Thomas for his original skill set, nerfing him after they hyped light meta so much is just false marketing at this point. First time I've been disappointed with the devs of this game.
i mean that's the nature of the gacha games, no? the new unit will always outshine the previously released ones. if anything this is a kind of nice balancing where an old overlooked unit suddenly getting good after being snubbed for so long. look how people often say Gina or/and Sohyun was useless, and fire had no place in the meta. now that suddenly they're good people complaining again?? if anything it's the player base's expectation that betraying us.
Feel like devs gave the spotlight to fire teams for now to give them a bit of purpose and use, but that's just my theory and maybe they may make yogumut weak to light and water theoretically speaking 😊
Yo ma man zaff. Maybe you should make a video on what move we should do right now. Bc there is some of us dont know what to pull or just wait or is there any better move right now ...
But I love my purple team with the two sherlock-esque detective Duo especially after they're good friend and excellent healer was released That's like one of my favorite teams to use due to how much of a beast Charlotte is with her ulty.
Common, people! Don't be so naive. Netmarble need to generate revenue. So with every season they need to release characters that will sell. Otherwise nobody will buy current new fire characters if Light still OP and you can easy beat the WOBL with them. I also noticed with one popular streamer (not you, Zaff) that every time one week in advance he will stream and will say "nay, skip it, too weak" and immediately after update "guys, I will tell you - this character is so OP, don't sleep, a must for your account!" And this happens every update 😂
I don't get this. Don't you know this Is a kind of game made to squeeze Money out of players? If you don't stand this go get a console, grind and be Happy with what you built.
Dam invested a lot on thomas ;-; rip , imagine they release Liu Zhigang as a new fire unit anyways as the game is bending towards fire units , would be hype
I don't care if they are nerf or not!! Because netmarble are banning me without any reason for one year! Whereby the content creator reports, they released him in just 6 hours! That's the way netmarble treating normal players like that!I already pissed off how they replied to me!😡🤬 I had stopped playing this shit game
I noticed that the gacha rate for the rate up characters & new weapon in this new update are ruined too. The rate up selection list is useless. Its getting harder. Before it only takes 60/80 pull to get the SSR. Sometimes u can get it in 30/80 pull. Now it will always need to reach 70/80 pull to get SSR. N still not getting the one you want especially the Fire Fan. Gacha rate is getting terrible, and now the new meta problem. These days onward f2p players probably gonna leave the game very soon because of the power creep. I'm seeing the Tower of Fantasy treatment if this keeps on. It's like the devs trying to cull out the F2P from this game.
@ExhaustedEx currently running thomas on 29k def 30% def pen and 30% dmg increase also 197% dc 7k crit rate. Hard for me to improve that much def pen atm. Still a bit underwhelmed by this meta shift so fast.
@@ExhaustedEx bro thats the problem if You do that Thomas won't have enough damage remember his damage is based on defense if You put more penetration he s going to have less damage, besides they put deimos a "nerf" for our light units... They re doing less damage in that boss.
@@alejomaster4035 that's why you complain about the light, instead of making the CORRECT build, you do everything ROOTS wrong, and complain that there is no damage, and there is a HIDDEN nerf to the light 🤣
@@ExhaustedEx bro You don't know what you're talking about and You said it yourself... 45% penetration and 36k of defense thats = CHANGE ALL ARTIFACTS and get em with +4 to get those stats and have them all with A10 and you're forgeting that this Game has a horrible RNG soooooo is not really that easy like You said... So... Calm down
The logic of the WOBL was that it started with water, resistant to fire. Then wind came, and kept WATER/WIND, resistant to fire. Barn moved one element further, kept the previous new element, Wind, and added Dark. WIND/DARK. While keeping the older element, Water, the resistance of the Boss. So the logic would be that every element has TWO WOBL that the boss is weak against. And now was supposed to be DARK/LIGHT ( since fire was the first resistance, then it would be the last weakness), and be resistant to Wind. But they skipped directly to Light/Fire. So it seems that light will have ONLY ONE WOBL that it is STRONG AGAINST, and THAT SINGLE WOBL WAS POWER CREPT by the high defense penetration mechanichs. I think what happened is that they wanted a team with akari, Kanae, and Goto, as it was in the Mawhaa. But they brought Thomas earlier and messed up.
And now, players are reluctant to invest in any characthers, since they might be useless in a month. Yoo for example, is very powerful now, but might be completely overpowered by Kanae... So all F2P players don't want to invest in her just yet... we don't even know if gina will be the one replaced... it is a complete mess.
Personally, I don’t mind it. I skipped most banners hoping they’d add Esil, and thankfully, they did so I got her to A10 and still have just enough to guarantee one Kanae. I don’t have Soohyun yet, but I lost a bunch of 50/50s to Choi, so he’s a4 now, along with an a1 Gina. I feel like they’ll eventually add units to each element that provide what’s needed, like penetration and other effects. I’m actually glad some modes might require specific characters or abilities since it gives something to work toward. I get the frustration, but I prefer when new hard modes take time to clear rather than being beaten immediately. It gives me a goal so I don’t get bored before the next update. If you don’t want to run a fire team or have invested in light, you can wait they’ll likely add a light penetration buffer eventually. I only saved and a10 Esil because I’m a simp, but for other characters, I plan to get one copy and pick up dupes over time once they’re in the standard pool. Since some modes and even the story required specific elements, I never felt investing too heavily in one was a good move, especially as a f2p. That’s why, while I like watching content creators for their insights, I don’t base my pulls solely on their opinions but more as just good insight. I think the game just needs time so that each elements roster has time to get their counterpart units for each effect, as they cant release everything all at once. But yea thats just me.
one fix could be changing the defense penetration on Yoo, not a defense penetration on hit but as a debuff(like 4 seconds on everyone and 8 second if they have fire weakness), if the enemy has the defense broken because of her then the light team could do the WOBL, damn even other teams could have a chance with this, instead of using other supports like Akari or Min you just use Yoo as a defense pen debuffer. Yoo applies the debuff Thomas wipes them meanwhile Goo breaks them. Easy change and this would make both Fire and Light or mostly light team viable. They could still release the others without screwing up with all the other players like this.
Emma is one of my top 3 characters that makes up my battle point tier. When I heard Esil was a breaker and fire, I was like they just made one of my strongest characters more irrelevant. Least I was able to A5 Esil with 180 pulls, got Akari simply cause I liked the character design.
I have spent more than 100k for light team and near perfect build i think for hard next wobl. And now netmarble meta light Weak against deimos?? Holy shit. Man i have no money now to build perfect fire meta😢
being f2p and spending like a month and a half trying to build up a perfect light team only for it to be immediately outclassed by fire was definitely not on my bucket list. im kinda conflicted tho because fire def needed the love from the devs
Brother Zaff, I really appreciate you and especially your guides and tips on the game i always smile when i see the fire event weapons and says this is Zaff weapon and never try to remember it's true name But this situation is just awful really bad and a foolish move on their part We recently was comparing SLA to other games, and the creator made a valid point about how characters in those games can stay at the top for over a year due to their strong impact that give them a very strong players base all people like it when they win but no one like it when they lose specially this way They really hyped us up with the character for months the character did save them and a lot of players join the game We were eagerly waiting for his releases a lot of players that stopped comeback and for those who love the story to join us But when he finally dropped, he wasn’t nearly as terrifying as the real story portrayed him They gave him the rank of a national level hunter, with a fiery presence that set him apart from other ranks, along with a special outfit that didn’t even appear in the original story a flame like effect But what? We’ve been waiting and grinding to collect for him since he first appeared in the lobby, a month before his release and even afterward. We were thrilled when his time was extended in the temporary banner and use all what we can to make him stronger and even more excited for the new players or those who couldn’t snag multiple copies of him when he was added to the permanent banner right away from the temporary banner In the end they do this to us? It’s incredibly disappointing and frustrating They need to address this issue, or it’s going to escalate into a major disaster People have invested so much money and time, and it feels like they’re taking us for granted never see something stupid like this since nokia go with windows instead of andriod this company will fall for sure if they don't find out a solution and again thank you so much for your hard word and everything that you do to us I'll really miss your fantastic voices and funny words good luck in your journey Peace
For 320 days we never seen fire meta, fire team based for defense penetration, now we finally get fire meta, how u wanna see this meta based with penetration without defense on boss? Do buff for light team in wobl? Why we need fire then?) Just do ur Thomas 30% penetration with normal wobl and around 45% for hard and stop cry maybe
@@ExhaustedEx Thank you for making the effort to reply to me I give you a like but I'm not crying and never will be cuz this things spouse to make us happier not the opposite the truth is I'm angry and frustrated with the current meta shift and how defense penetration is being handled Fire teams have been waiting a long time for their moment, so it makes sense to expect proper mechanics that justify their role However, balancing metas isn't just about raw penetration values it also depends on team synergy, buffs, and enemy scaling If bosses lack defense, then penetration based strategies lose impact i really understand that, which does seem counterintuitive for a fire meta That said, if Thomas can still reach 30-45% penetration in different difficulties, it might just be about optimizing setups rather than outright dismissing fire team Maybe tweaks are needed, but outright disregarding light’s role isn’t the solution either they should let it shine we were so hyped and now what?they are really stupid, I hope you understand my point of view like I did understand yours, have a good time and Peace
they wouldn't do a wickness to the light if it was impossible, the logic is that there was always a main element in the wobbler, and the second one is less effective but real As Mirei lower then Charlotte All players now just much drama, coz THOMAS is not stronger then all in the game, but, he don’t must)
@ExhaustedEx my dear brother the real problem, they let us down by putting the light element in the dark just after hyped us, specially andre how in the world a national level hunter that mostly save the deves they gained a lot of new players some even make multiple accounts and after all that they let him down right afterwards they should let it shine and hade it time then give fire or whatever else element a spot after it they have goto and the chinese national hunter they have a lot of ways and routes to choose but they was so stupid to do this nonsense fire right now after allllllllllllllll this time and support they do this to us for me I'm done with this is was my first and last mobile game I'll just buy the new switch 2 for the kids have fun with them in the holidays and stop playing as a hard-core sla fun or anythings else game over buddy I'm done they fix it or not and I hope you could continue have a good time best regards HunterPeace
As a casual player the only problem i see is them releasing the strongest hunter besides Sung so early, eventually he'll be the weakest National Hunter if the next units are stronger as it usually happens with these kind of games
Literally releasing these characters instead of the likes of charlotte would have made fans happy Yuri Orloff ( will likely be go gun hee gameplay type, shield defense scalling, with CC) Lennart Niermann ( his skills afaik was shown in the monarchs war) the hunters from jeju island raid Kei Kenzo Tanaka Kanae Tawata Atsushi Kumamoto Goto Ryuji
They fucked up and released Thomas andre too early, he should have been released as the last national level hunter so that power creep would have made sense A more logical release timeline for it was Christopher Reed ( World no. 3 national level) Sidhharth Bachhan ( World no. 4 ) Goto Ryuji ( was supposed to be the next national level but he got one tapped by beru ) Liu Zhigang ( World no. 2 ) Thomas Andre (World no. 1) Reed before bachhan because (1) more people would be happier (2) reed was actually seen in the original manwha while bachhan afaik wasnt seen till ragnarok
I think all of this will be solved if they just puff the Light team so it will be on bar with the fire team since the majority of players invested heavily in the light team and it doesn't feel good to have all your investments flushed down the toilet, the path that the game is going for right now is extremely greedy and eventually on the long run will cause their downfall.
I noticed that the gacha rate for the rate up characters & new weapon in this new update are ruined too. The rate up selection list is useless. Its getting harder. Before it only takes 60/80 pull to get the SSR. Sometimes u can get it in 30/80 pull. Now it will always need to reach 70/80 pull to get SSR. N still not getting the one you want especially the Fire Fan. Gacha rate is getting terrible, and now the new meta problem. These days onward f2p players probably gonna leave the game very soon because of the power creep. I'm seeing the Tower of Fantasy treatment.
Thomas should have been released far later in the game. (SPOILERS) He himself was introduced with his abilities near the end of the story. They wanted to quickly bring people to the game and released him, just to be powercrept in 3 months by a random non-cannon story lolly. What they can do to "salvage" the situation is having each national hunter being the strongest character in a specific colors, meaning that now we do not use light but in the future when light content is released he will be the meta to go
I feel like it wouldn't be so bad if getting good artifacts wasn't such a pain and just getting the subs you're looking for is difficult enough for me it's like I pour endless materials into my artifacts and still wind up with sub par sub stat increases I really wish they'd just let us pick the sub stat we wanted to increase
I'm gonna nudge at CC a bit so i'm sorry in advance, 25% are people who listened blatantly to CC that told them to get him to A10, They should've just kept it safe in A7 or A6. I understand he is strong so i don't really mind this one, But the problem is when Akari became "an important unit for Thomas" or so it seems. People should not have summoned for her just to buff thomas. Idc if the dev created an illusion that light team will be meta, it was your decision to pull for Akari to a certain extent without thinking about your tickets. Don't pull like a whale when you can't handle the consequences. Not just the 25% but anyone who is annoyed by this deep shift in element.
Fire meta wouldnt be so controversial if the game wasnt so biased towards specific elements. Sung Jinwoo, assuming you want to be optimal, uses two dark weapons and 2 dark skills. Plume sword is a god tier weapon, and so is Moonshadow along with Demon King as a wind option. Fire sucks. Fire has sucked for a long time. Your options were Vulcan's Rage and/or Pheonix Bow. Armor Break's fire rune is great, but nothing in any element comes close to Magnifying Slashes in terms of pure damage. Your best bet for a fire DPS is Sooyun. Choi can't crit. Esil is our newest good fire breaker, but nothing at the level of someone like Go Gunhee. Fire has been mediocre for months. And now its mandatory. We dont have the resources to build what used to be the worst team in the game
Deimos WOBL feels like they're only weak to fire because of the required defense penetration mechanics. It's like they're forcing Fire to be viable which is pretty dumb. Compare it with Baran where you can either go with Harper (Dark) or Mirei (Wind) team, and the result would be the same. Imagine if the next WOBL has a recommended Fire and Dark elements, but they made is so the enemy has billion HP with no barely any def stat at all, so defense penetration would be completely useless. And at the same time, they introduced a new Dark bleed hunter that deals damage based on the enemy max HP. Yes you can still beat the mode with Fire team, but they have to be incredibly overleveled to brute force though the gimmick when you can just use the new Dark hunter with a very basic investments and steamroll though the content. It's not looking good if this is the direction the game is heading.
I'm just kind of annoyed that there are no healing fire units Am I wrong truly been isn't that the only element that doesn't have a SSR firebase healer?
Why are people pissed? I mean it's not like they are needing any hunters. Just different game modes different play styles. So building hunters is what's interesting. It takes a bit of time but it's fun. Just because you cannot destroy the enemies in one shot with your main team doesn't mean it's bad...
bro if everyone had every single hunter over A5 dont think people are gonna be mad unless ur a whale or a dolphin with good luck its not easy to do that as a f2p it takes time to do so also most of us have dried up every single source of ess/tickets rn so u would have to wait till a new mode that would fix that
@faresamgad7059 I'm free to play too. And I have been playing the waiting game. The thing is I do understand the frustration but see it this way, different modes we use different characters. What's the point of having 1 crazy destruction unit and other hunters that come after become non use able as everyone just plays the same ones. Also when PVP comes different types of hunters will create different synergies which will be fun to do rather than just seeing only 1 element or 1 hunter being run by everyone
@@ansubhuyan4273 i mean the next wobl is TP is around 1,450,000 , like how you could even do that when the normal mode gives you literally nothiiing , and also whyyyyy a national level hunter ( THOMAS ANDRE ) gets hard diff by a A level hunter 😐😐😐😐
@ansubhuyan4273 People really need to learn how to manage their resources. Going all in on light was definitely not the way, especially if someone's free to play. Most of the clowns crying rn are the ones who used all their resources on the light team because of mere speculations.
People are pissed because they invested so much on a hunter who (unlike what Zaff is saying because he wants to soften the blow of the statement) already got replaced and turned out to be useless for the content people where expecting him to shine in. Thomas is bad. People were building their light team to clear Hard mode Deimos and this is not going to happen. Then another issue is, even if you invest in the fire team now the next content might have another gimmick that makes them useless in 2 months. So why bother spending on any unit at all ?
Everyone needs to get a grip, they haven’t gate kept the content behind a brand new character that you neeed to a-10. Soohyun has been out for 7 months, everyone should have a couple copies. And the new draw ticket event let you pick a character for free. Honestly anyone below 1.2 million power shouldn’t be complaining at all about wobl as its END game content and if you’re not at the end game power, then you simply aren’t supposed to be doing hard mode anyway
@@Solowhale1 Bro, think about it this way... Why would you want to build a character that at that moment you couldn't do anything with because there was no content for that character, I can assure you with complete certainty that absolutely no one has their characters with the element. fire with all its stars, artifacts or anything.... they no longer have resources since when Thomas arrived everyone said to use everything to have it in A10 and now everyone has it in A10 but without being able to use it because now they are forcing you to use characters with fire element...
@ the whole purpose of elemental typing is that u have to switch what characters you use and can’t just focus on one team. Met marble never said spend your life savings on Thomas and expect everything to be fine. And everyone should know that at some point light wasn’t going to be strong. Just like how at some point in the future, light will be meta again and you will be so happy you built Thomas. So you simply have to adapt. If you can’t hack the grind then don’t play
@ also. Light literally hard carries every piece of content in the game including Deimos normal. At this current point, there’s nothing the fire team can clear that light can’t. Hard mode is literally 1 tiny sliver of the game meant for the best of the best players and it’s not even out yet
I wrote yoo instead of fire team in whole. I understand that Thomas would eventually get replaced even if they didn't do what they did with fire team. Just don't advertise him to be dominant in those team game mode yet "Reign" last like a month
@@shaka2116 thomas' reign lasted almost 2 months in GB, powercrept every team and every hunter by large margins. His banner and akari's banner is definitely not 1 month. In POD, soohyun is very bad option.
@MousuTV again yoo was a mistake I intended to say/write fire team and Thomas gb Reign would inability come to an end just not by a older unit and just not so soon especially it's where he supposed to shine...
It definitely be a problem to the f2p or low spender competitive players. Aside from that, you'll still need other elemental units or weapons to clear different elemental type dungeons, etc
So my question is is Thomas now useless and second question is whether they nerfed the whole light part of game like skill runes , weapons or just only hunter and also they cannot do this without telling us like player like me who are F2W had spend most on thomas because he was reliable but now we are cooked and screwed
I agree that the way Fire was pushed was poorly done but one thing is for certain, we're having this discussion right now for two reasons: 1. Akari is a complete joke for a dedicated support, if she wasn't just marginally better than a random hunter for the light team and did her job properly Thomas Andre would be able to handle WOBL with a much easier time. 2. Which I dare to say is even more important... This all comes down to expectations and the community as a whole keeps having certain expectations that either are unrealistic or are fueled by certain opinions (assumptions even) and assumed as be all end all leading to massive disappointments (several examples by now). So guys while I understand where a lot of you come from, and it's not like I'm happy with how this is being handled (which could also be concerning for the future) the devs are far from being the only ones to blame and as a community I guess we're not learning all that much.
I do not mind meta shifts or Fire units getting love. That's been way overdue. But it is clear the majority (or more accurately, the entire) of player base was gonna pull for Thomas Andre, and they basically did not make him viable in WOBL. Sure, I can clear Normal Deimos but there is no way for 99% of F2P players or low spenders to clear Hard Deimos with Thomas, despite saving resources to pull for him. I was starting to have some sort of hope and respect that maybe NM won't screw us over (despite its shady reputation as a money grubbing gacha dev). But this is a bit much. I did not use a single rate-up tickets ever since I started playing because I was saving up for Thomas Andre (I'm a super low spender and I buy the monthly free sweeps). And now they pull this shit. Come on, at leas make Thomas viable in WOBL for one cycle. Because right now, not only are the power requirements too high, the only viable team that can clear Hard Deimos is a maxed out Fire Team with insane gears. This is so so stupid on so many levels and feels scammy. I feel like I got scammed, and that is not something a game dev wants their player base to feel. If nothing changes, in 2-3 months time, this is going to come off as "Hey, let's bait all the players with Thomas and then add a gimmick in WOBL so they also have to pull for Fire teams to progress their account". I've played many gacha games but this is the first time I felt like I was getting scammed.
Okay so, am I upset/mad sure. Cause why do we spend money on a game. And we really didn’t test Thomas as much. Sure he got us through stimulation gate (lol) but that’s about it. BUT I can say we have so much story left it’s not like the “light team” Will be done. We still have the guild boss which he rips through as well as new content coming within the going months. And the new guild boss coming in as well. So we will have to see.
I thnk that the main issue is that fire were too sinergistic so very few people spent money on them. No one really complained for Dark because Baek was buffed and I enjoyed my dark team because I had a decent Baek. Fire stayed kinda meh and weak even with Gina and, tbh, we completely missed the def pen stacking meta which was viable as well with Emma (even though to a lesser extent). The problem was not the meta shift but the felt uselessness of the fire team till Esil and the massive defense stack of the WOBL. I reckon that if WOBL Deimos came first we would have found about Def Pen stacks even without Esil.
What frustrates me the most is for our f2p & light spender community who has been gaslighted by content creators to push thomas and the light team, just to finally have a CHANCE at clearing HARD mode WOBL and join the exclusive 3k-7k first clear, that dream is now shattered, broken, and drop dead because of the gimmick and meta shift to fire all of a sudden. Alicia stays meta for 1 WOBL vulcan Mirei and the wind team stays meta for WOBL BARAN and now light team is unusable for hard mode deimos 😢
just my personal opinion. games tends to switch meta all the time, that's why i don't believe when other players says "ohhh get this character to full, he's the best" and when you do get that character to full and the meta change, this is what happens........ just a personal experience. dont get me wrong but i got my character to A5 and now my thomas is just now A10 but i also did try to get the fire team up to minimum just in case bacause i did not believe thomas would dominate the game for a long time. meta will change. Change is the only thing thats permanent.
I completely understand people's frustration with the new WoBL, it has an insane power level requirement which pretty much requires your hunters to be around A8 and above with very good gear which is a very heavy investment, and on top of that they added the defense penetration gimmick which none of the light hunters have built into their kits but the fire team excels at.The way I see it, anyone who invested into Thomas didn't make a mistake, he is still the best unsupported hunter in the game and with how fast the meta shifts, we could easily get new end game content where the investments really pay out Edit: I'm not mad they are adding non canon characters like Harper, Charlotte, Alicia etc., but it felt like a poor time to add them in. They could have easily started on the Blade Guild slightly earlier since we are introduced to 13 S-ranks as of the current story progression that aren't released into the game yet. With roughly 1 new hunter per month, we will end up well behind the story if they continue at the current rate
@@ericsmith2777 yes especially with how high of TP requirements this new WoBL needs. My main point was that it looks like we will eventually have every Monarch in WoBL so surely 1 or 2 of them will be weak to light and won't have the defense penetration gimmick so the light team will get multiple chances to be used in WoBL
It depends on what you’re trying to do. DKD is the best damage dealing weapon and Moon Shadow daggers are the second best supporting weapon. It’s recommended to work on both simultaneously until they’re both A5
Bro I don't have problem with meta but I invest my all resources in light know I don't have resources I feel like I am in debt of shadow energy because currently I need 50k shadow energy and now meta also changing so what can I do now😢😢
Yea, personally I don't mind meta shift. I think it keeps the game fresh, like I don't want to use the same top team all the time for months. As long as they make other existing good teams still viable or useful.
Meta shifts are normal. But make it fairly viable for the LIght team. Budget fire team would probably melt hard mode at this rate while a highly pumped up light team may not?? Cmon! The devs probably did not tested the defense pen abuse for the fire team which mouse found out. It's just bluntly unbalance man!
I am ok with it more unhappy than happy with the change. I think it’s fine to go for a meta shift but I think it should be a buff to others rather than a nerf and I do understand this is tricky due to power creep reasons
I just hope that the devs seeing this video dont nerf the fire team just to make the light team the best team again...a game having multiple metas that are all runable is what the devs should be aiming for...considering this is a PVE focused game players should in theory be able to use their favourite characters for the content. However all the national level should all be meta/game breaking EQUALLY therefore making the 4 national level hunters all sport different teams for each element thereby making the game balanced...just my opinion tho
Yeah I agree with most of the f2p players, invested a lot into light now it's hard to just shift to fire, yoo soohyun isn't that high. Esil is still low, kanae is upcoming. It's not really looking great for us 😭
This is Netmarble, what were we expecting 😂 But seriously Thomas shouldn't have released early in general. But they also decided to not give us difficult light content
I'm happy with the fact that Esil's release made SooHyun not only usable but actually OP. I always liked her gameplay and she has some of the best skins. I always thought that it was a pity that I had no content where I could use SooHyun and Gina, but now that has been fixed. So I'm satisfied with the meta shift 🔥
I have A10 Thomas and A9 Go Gunhee as a F2P and I am fuming, I could only clear the normal mode with 40s left and I know I will not be able to complete hard mode with them.
For sure I'm unhappy bcz of my light investment, but I'm happy for fire as well! I'm a f2p who tries to be on top and competitive and the devs baiting us on investing on light team didn't make me really happy. But I know it is a gacha game and the only thing I need devs to do is to make the hard mode playable for the f2p who are doing their best! No matter how they gonna make it possible, at least let us get some fire team to summon so we would be able to find a way to clear hard mode and become one of the f2p who cleared the wobl among 3k-7k people
Honestly, i expect this kinda massive meta shift month to month with Netmarble games, happened all the time with 7DS. Its why i stopped playing. Just hope they pull theyre heads out and try to properly balance the game. Ive been having a lot of fun the past week or so and find the gameplay loop better than other gachas. Again, i hope Netmarble can make the game more balanced overall as S-rank and Nation levels should be at the top.
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I feel if a element is recommended they should be able to do enough damage that is why i think light should get a power boost since they arent even usable in that wobl because they did not balance that battle for both types of units fire and light
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with each update and new hunter they just kill the older hunters game keeps killing hunters to send more and gain more money they cant keep all hunter awesome like when first released . they need to make all hunters playable with their different play style and nerf and buff
Problem is if you are saying that two elements should be able to beat a boss battle both should be able to beat it not just one team and the other one is basically at the same level of attack power as a none elemental advantage character if an element is needed they should have an advantage not the same as other hunters there is a disbalance in that sense of light and fire and if the boss was made for fire then put only fire advantage not fire and light advantage
Hi i have a question im not sure if you already have a video up about it but how do i get to craft Blessing Stone amd how do i find the refinement for it ive looked on google but no info
In my honest opinion, the problem is not the current fire element meta... the problem is that the devs sold us the light meta as something that was going to last for months when Thomas Andre arrived and we could all enjoy the gameplay of the character as it was supposed to happen... but what happens now? that all the content creators, the whales and the devs force us to spend more resources to build characters that in 1 month we will no longer use... and the worst of all is that, already knowing all this, the content creators are making videos and videos saying that the fire element meta is very broken now and that we should spend all our resources ON GETTING THOSE CHARACTERS... when they did exactly the same thing when Thomas Andre came out they all said and said to spend all the resources on Thomas Andre and now that character and now everyone has him at A10 but without being able to use him and now there are very few players who do not have esil at A5 because they no longer have tickets or essences to spend and now the content they have made to take advantage of the element No one can play fire because no one has the fire element characters with artifacts or anything, it's a big problem that the devs surely hope to solve when the next boss arrives after deimos.
As a F2P I have esil A0 and wait for National hunter with essence Stone.
@kamilstars2305 yeah keep it at A0 save those Essence bro play deimos with the light team and save resources the fire element wont have much time here...
Instead of light element its more like Thomas Andre,
Light was already pretty solid because Go was there and when Thomas came out,
People really wanted to get him so they pulled for him,
They consider for those who can't yet so they extended the duration.
And then Akari came out which is another light hunter.
It was a fodder banner and many took the bait imo.
F2P IS ALL COOKED. IM SEMI WHALE, PUT ALL INVESTMENT ON LIGHT. HOPING LIGHT WILL BE USEFULL IN DEIMOS, BUT NOW? THEY ARE LACKED BEHIND FIRE META ??? DEVS EXPECT US TO SPEND ON FIRE UNITS AGAIN AFTER WE PUT ALL IN LIGHT? THIS IS UNJUSTIFIED TO US. I KNOW THIS IS GACHA, BUT DEVS PUSH TOO FAR FOR US ALL. MY LIGHT TEAM AT A10 THOMAS, A9 GO AND A5 AKARI/A10 MIN. YET THIS TEAM FEEL WEAKER THAN MY NEW FIRE TEAM LIKES A7 YOO, A7 ESIL AND A5 GINA. MY FRIENDS ALRESDY QUITTED THE GAME DUE TO THIS GAME BEING NOT FRIENDLY EVEN TO US SEMI-WHALE, WHAT SAY F2P.
I have spent more than 100k for light team and near perfect build i think for hard next wobl. And now netmarble meta light Weak against deimos?? Holy shit. Man i have no money now to build perfect fire meta😢
A national level hunter should always be better than the rest slightly. Also if you advertise a mission as light/fire then both need to be 100% viable for this mode that requires the most work
Exactly 💯💯
Also light got no wobl content to shine, and it was already powercrept in a month. Heck even in guild battle Yoo trashes Thomas, even though thomas was tailor made for group battles. Also Akira is worst support which made it even worse.
The problem isn't the meta shift , the problem is how long it takes to build up the units. It takes on average 70 tickets for a single SSR. Not to mention all of the gold and other resources. We have to do this 10 times, so at minimum 700 tickets, assuming each pull is what you need. In reality, it's closer to 1400 tickets to A10 a unit, even as much as 4000 tickets, depending on the banner.
Then we have their weapons, which is another thing altogether.
You need to do this 3 times .
We need far better pull rates and more tickets. Later content simply is unplayable unless you start an account specifically for the current meta.
Love this game but it should not take several thousand dollars to play late game content.
I a5 all mine in around 250 tickets and I’m f2p also, so I don’t know the struggle 😂
@@ericsmith2777depends on your luck. I think usually it takes about 350 to 400 Tickets to A5 a unit
Sometimes you get lucky with 250 pulls but sometimes over 500 or even more 😅
@@ericsmith2777 Even on rates ups most people dont draw the specific SSR rate up, it has happened to me a lot of times and not just about hunters but also for weapons.
@@ericsmith2777for hard Mode contents you need at least 2 a 10
I think meta shifts are okey. But main problem is that nm made 2 light hunter banners before Deimos came (thomas and akari) and lots of people invest in light units in order to clear wobl then netmarble made first boss weak to armor penetration is kinda tricky and cheap move from netmarble team.
Stop cry and go for all hunters u crybaby if no money go work
What tf ? Are you brain dead ?@ghostface873
@@ghostface873 Who Tf are you? Nobody's asking you lil twat. Netmarble caters to the majority. Stay crying like a lil wuss and go back to whatever shitty job you had.
Just let me change my gems without them being destroyed. I would slap on Defence Pen call it a day come on Netmarble.
@@ghostface873 Don't be de*k head you just a crying person who yap on every comment i will not reply to u de*k head
National level hunter + korea's 1st S rank hunter + S class healer lost to a A rank model.
Well done NM. You make full sense
Not just a national level hunter, a vessel of a ruler
not just korea's 1st S rank, the brightest fragment of brilliant light
not just a S class healer, argueably the best healer that we see in the series and also have the offensive capabilities of an A rank
You compare the manwha to the game? Has literally 0 meaning. Have you guys ever played gacha games? Obviously old units are getting power creept.
@@sgt.empire OMG smart guy.
A rank model is new unit but Thomas and Light support are old.
Wow
0 meaning while the game is literally based on the manwha. Have you even ever played gacha games? last week's banner wouldnt get power creept the next week and as far as i know, archons are still fucking meta or close to it in genshin which are basically national hunters/vessels in solo leveling. Heck even the dogass gachas ive played like xsamkok, reverse1999, blue archive, eminence, bluelock, epic seven have units that are a tier above maintaining meta for a few months. Do i even need to talk about other more mainstream gachas.
FGO doesnt even come close to the word power creep when waver, skadi, castoria has been on the top of caster tierlist or near the top of all servant tierlist
It's a game. Meta Shifts naturally, it happened with Water Team, no one complained. Get used to it.
I think the game at this point is missing some crucial improvements .
1. More WOBL keys should be added or make it possible to buy more ( as F2P )
2. Dungeon keys should be removed to promote in game time play after all this dungeons are just to get better gear, late game players should be able to spend most of the time here.
3. Guarantee WOBL enhancement cores ( I did X3 on isil stage and got none )
4. Add in game chat for guilds
5. Improve somehow the rates of certain sets ( maybe using the same system of custom banners )
6. Add a different amount of resources to improve shadows ( gate ) according to battle tier ( this should also improve the time a player stay in game )
7. Double the artifact space to 8000
8. IMPROVE AKARI ( worst 600 pulls of my life )
Most late players spend an hour in game and we are done, everyone wants better hunters , P2W, F2P. It's a matter of find a balance between what players want and what is good financially to the company.
As players we understand that games stay alive by people spending money , however I have to say that I didn't appreciate yet again another " Meilin " type of situation. So much hype to promote Thomas , such hype to promote a support for Thomas ( ikari ( really needs a buff , otherwise was an hunter that was released that is just useless ) ) and in the end we had to adjust to fire to have a chance to beat hard mode WOBL in less than a month . Not a cool move ( this was my message on the 24th of Jan in the forum )
Today (30/1) we know that light wont make it through the next hard WOBL, because they are basically useless due to having no def pen ( native ) , why did devs promoted 2 hunters before a new WOBL ( therefore draws = time or money ) when they had planned the def pen gimmick knowing that people invested on light ? was the fire team a way for people to invest more ? is it ok to have an event such as WOBL and 1 of the elements in other content doing 3x the amount of damage? maybe its better for people just to invest on fire from now on and that's it . doesn't make sense, was a bad move from the devs team and i really hope the community give some financial backlash in the next months.
Games need to make money, we understand that . but not by tricking people when it was already said " we wont add another meilin type of situation "
I hope you guys fix this situation in a way that people can see their investments shine a bit when comes to the light team. otherwise, its better to just delete the light team from the WOBL and let the community pretend it was never there in the first place.
Until now i spent some money in the game, but after this ? i dont think its fair for me to give you any money knowing that one month you say one thing and then you create content with the gimmick you said you wont repeat ( X hunter have a skill / atribute that helps beat content ( meilin on vulcan's shield for example ).
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Il ont toujour dit que leur buts et la diversité de jeux aussi pas utilser que les meme skill et armes essayer de trouver un juste milieu entre f2p et p2w au début ces compliquer ces avec le temp cela le devient moin avec une box diverse et bien opti
This guy got it spot on I believed fire to be the new meta after this wobl however after this update I'm disappointed cuz they've gone back on their words I feel like they are running out on ideas on how to make content enjoyable/retain users daily game time
Akari is the worst support. Esil made Yoo from Good to Godly whereas Akari did nothing to thomas. I would say Akira skills takes too much time and she feels clunky to play, so even now I use Min.
Yeah they made akari really useless....😅 A5 is only a bit better than A1 min
And they should have made the fire icon in the woble 3 times bigger than light one. So they cans show how much better fire team is and make people spend more money on fire....
And what about the next update when even fire is gonna get powercrept or left out
They promised to not force pulls for specific hunters for hard content a while ago, I guess they kept their word, they forced an entire elemental team 😂
Actually they keep that promise. But instead they force players to go for specific team (fire)
@@suatozer2633 Why repeat what i said? 🤨
@@drazeal9507 bruh thats what happens when you dont read full sentence
So essentially, around half of the playerbase (assuming the poll is representative of the population) is unhappy about the meta shift for varying reasons. Not a good look for NM.
That also means that at least half of the playerbase IS SATISFIED.
@@fabiospar That's a horrible ratio. Imagine if half the playerbase was unsatisfied after every update. Game would be bleeding players and NM would be in full panic mode.
@@stargazer4752 if they backtrack now, the 50% that are satisfied will be dissatisfied. Won't the result still be the same? Atleast I am part of those that are satisfied and I would be dissatisfied if they somehow nerfed SooHyun.
I think most of this dissatisfaction is because many people followed the youtubers advice and went crazy on the Thomas summons. And now Thomas isn't the one-guy beat all they thought he would be. But anyway, we're getting ahead of ourselves here. In reality, only 6k people voted on Zaff's poll. That's not even 1% of the playerbase
@@fabiospar @fabiospar so what should we had done?? be a psychic & not summon for the light team that was almost obviously was looking to be the trump card in the new WOBL & stored them for the then unstable fire team? If you gave a choice between Esil & Thomas, 90% of people would go for Thomas, as he was the top dawg.
It's all about timing, it's like you planned a vacation for Maldives and got ready, only to be airdropped in the middle of freaking Alps! And even though you had the options to buy clothings(god knows how), you have already spent your expenditure money on getting ready for maldives.(it's just an analogy, DON'T NITPICK)
If the fire team became hotter after WOBL, none would have complained as that was the general direction we all expected the road to go, but now, there's a big ass tree in the middle that can't be removed unless you have a freaking flamethrower!
It's not about nerfing Hyun, but about the 180 turn of meta in a single patch without any prior knowledge. Incase of Meilin, we knew it was to come bc Alicia was released prior to her, Han-semi for Mirei(back to back almost), Andre & Akari, we knew that Charlotte, Harper & Isla were to be played as a trio, but Esil being the sudden nail in the wheel leaves a bad taste in us f2p & dolphins who had saved for months to build Andre & Akari to our liking.
@ The other guy that replied to you gave a pretty good response on why people are frustrated. Also, content creators are not to blame for this. They were simply articulating to the public the picture that NM was painting. Anyone that was paying attention would have come to the conclusion that Deimos was going to be the "finale" light content. Otherwise, what was the point of the light team? Simulation gate? Everyone that built up their light teams for WOBL got the rug pulled from under them. NM lied to us by omission and people are rightfully mad about the situation. As far as turning back, it's far too late for that. NM just have to understand why so many in the community are mad and they have to avoid situations like this in the future. (Note about polling: You poll a subsection of the population and take that to be a somewhat accurate representation of the whole. E.g. when they say that 40% of people approve of a president, they're not actually polling every single person in the country.)
if you think about it a 7 month old characters is better than a national level hunter that recently came out that is crazy ! 😭😭
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That too, an A ranked model 😂 powercrept national hunter.
They should add a new difficulty on story mode so that everybody can grind tickets again
They absolutely scammed us big time. All the previous WOBLs were equally viable for both element setups. But this time? I'm not even sure how well the light team would perform once hard is released. The intense back to back light banners hype with the anticipation of the new wobl and then turns out the underdog element takes the win with massive leaps. The high def gimmick just suggest that the over-hyped light units were not even meant for this as they were not built around def pen. This is coming from a player that has not heavily invested on the light time, what more for those who did?
We invested for light team specifically for wob.
Who made you believe that the light team would be the only thing that could beat it ? The game or content creators?
That was your mistake, netmarble never said you needed a light team for wobl.
I personally only got my Thomas to A4 with rate up tickets and later pushed to A5 with the custom draw.
Either hypocrisy or ignorance for these two. It was clear that they were hyping light units with extended thomas banner followed by a support unit paired with the announcement for the new wobl. They literally laid the idea that we need to invest in them to dominate it. Then guess what? They released a unit that would complete the fire team and a gimmick(high def monsters) that would then make the fire team so much better than light. Do you see the pattern here?
@@EdreilJohn ignorance huh. You should have seen by the testing that everyone did that Hakari's influence on the Light Team is just slightly better than Meilin's. Thats why I only got her to A0 for the events and nothing more. You can say whatever you want, but the truth is, you are the one regretting the choices you made, not me.
@@EdreilJohn hypocrisy or ignorance? How does that even go together ? Brother it sounds like you’re coping hard cuz without the influencers you’d never have thought any of that. I skipped Akari no matter how much influencers hyped her up cuz she’s literally not that good. Thomas was extended cuz he’s a big part of the show and it’s a national level hunter. You’re reaching HARD if you think all of this was set up for the player base to waste everything for the chance it was good in WOBL. Guess what he’s still good for it just not hard mode. Content ain’t supposed to be cleared on drop day bro get over it. I got Thomas to A10 no regrets yall just crying fr
Thomas has officially become the national fallen hunter. He falled right after his banner ended 🤣🤣
So like the manwha
I'm glad I only got a copy and stopped pulling for him
Joined back after months I had quit on early realease , followed everyones advice to invest on him made my light team (Andre A10, Go A7, Min A6) and now I can't even use them properly. And all that in just 2 weeks after I started playing again. Waste of time and money.
@@vasilispavlidis4432why u think so light team can’t do wobl? Omg 😆
@@venjaminffxi
Good for you, i atleast got 3 and another later on lol
I'm not doing that "YOU SHOULD PULL HIM TO A10!"
My slight doubt when it comes to pulling him all the way saved me the trouble.
My main goal was Kanae and always has been.
Excited to see her in action.
i remember seeing someone clearing pos 20 cerberus with yoo back in 2024, she was always good just didn't have proper content for her
My national rank hunter is on the bench aint no wayyy
I actually invested on Soohyun and Thomas, Esil are just must have for me so, I have no problem lol
Yeahhhhh 🎉🎉 I am featured in the video 😂😂 2:54
Honestly I'm fine with the elemental rotation, not because I don't have Thomas i have him A10 but he comes in later in manwha. And they could just give him a power boost when it's time for him to shine. Only thing I can see that's really nerf worthy is how fast his ultimate recharges. But it brings a new strategy to the game and who knows could be a unit that buffs 2 elements at the same time later on.
I really love this game, I spent a lot of tickets to get Thomas A10, and also on Akari, and practically both became useless. I'm very frustrated with the situation of the game for us players lategame, I really hope NM buffs Akari and Thomas in WOBL, if that doesn't happen I'll spend no more Euros on this game.
Dev should do something about light team . Most of people including me invested in light team , especially Thomas Andre, I have A5 Thomad Andre , i feel baad . I Can't able to clear normal Deimos with Thomas Andre .
Everything is pissed on Dev , they should do something . Thomas is our National Level Hunter , It doesn't make a Sense that A Rank Hunter outshine him with every high margin .I am Happy Yoo Soohyun is now useable but who wants that . I mean If Wobl have Elemental weakness Fire and light then it should be clear bye any one team among them .
I am Pretty Sure Hard mode Demois cannot be cleared by light team at all . They should do something , so light team is also use able in Wobl .
My all Investment in Light team in wasted , like others , I have A6 Goo , A5 Thomas and A5 Min and A6 Cha . With have total power more than 1 Million power and its hard to clear Normal mode Demios .
Nowadays A5 units with just a5 weapons wont cut it. Youll need good sets and a10/a10 to even get to the power requirements.
Bro my A5 Thomas and Choi are popping off in Simulated gate tho I could shed a tear 😢
I'll be very honest...I was totally dissapointed by the move that devs did...they just threw Thomas and Akari as decoys...to make money...and after that just put them in the shadow...
Especially considering the fact that it was also discussed very much about the fact that wobl will be week to light....it is week to light but the def pen mechanic just changes everything.
To be honest my interest in the game declined very much due to this move...and I'm probably not the only one...
What I'm upset about is the crappy blessing stone crafting drop . It's dropping the blessing stones which i already have . Not once , but a few in a row . Same goes for the heroic runes . That's the only thing which makes me upset .
In every way this I don't know how many times I have done the fusions and I still only have less than a handful of legendary blessings and I have played every single day since launch of the game doing every single daily Even being a light spender supporting the developers which I normally wouldn't do in a pay to win game. But I liked the series so I was hoping the game would be good. I mean at least the gear upgrades aren't as bad as like in for example raid shadow legends holy hell. That game is so overly predatory on its monetization it's insane. Somehow I played that for over a year and never spent a dime. But still wanting to quit like almost everyday.
I just noticed that the power balance in the game is just horrible in some cases; for example... I got 800K power with all the elements buffed and upgraded, but I can't defeat a boss from the special dungeons that only request 500K solid power; that's been pissing me of usually, because I try so many variations of skills, blessings, hunters, but none of them work! even on the BIS missions that is happening. I love that game, but they should solve that broken system.
Why are ppl crying that they can’t use thomas andre for 1 boss acting like he won’t be good in future bosses/ activities
I feel cheated out of my money. People invested in Thomas for his original skill set, nerfing him after they hyped light meta so much is just false marketing at this point. First time I've been disappointed with the devs of this game.
NO WAY THEY NERFED THOMAS. A NATIONAL LEVEL. DISGUSTING SMH
lol they didn’t
Lol , wat are u smoking?@@BojackReacts
@@BojackReactslet em know bojack 😂 he’s still the same as he was on release
@@shaad2005can u please link me where the nerfs are? until then i’d like what u are smoking please
Nerf? They literally gave him a buff by leaving his Ult bug unresolved.
i mean that's the nature of the gacha games, no? the new unit will always outshine the previously released ones. if anything this is a kind of nice balancing where an old overlooked unit suddenly getting good after being snubbed for so long. look how people often say Gina or/and Sohyun was useless, and fire had no place in the meta. now that suddenly they're good people complaining again?? if anything it's the player base's expectation that betraying us.
also it's not like Thomas suddenly bad, he's still pretty useful everywhere else
Feel like devs gave the spotlight to fire teams for now to give them a bit of purpose and use, but that's just my theory and maybe they may make yogumut weak to light and water theoretically speaking 😊
Yo ma man zaff. Maybe you should make a video on what move we should do right now. Bc there is some of us dont know what to pull or just wait or is there any better move right now ...
But I love my purple team with the two sherlock-esque detective Duo especially after they're good friend and excellent healer was released That's like one of my favorite teams to use due to how much of a beast Charlotte is with her ulty.
could it be that the new shadow, ice witch beste, increases defence penetration?
Oh another video
I wasn’t expecting it
Common, people! Don't be so naive. Netmarble need to generate revenue. So with every season they need to release characters that will sell. Otherwise nobody will buy current new fire characters if Light still OP and you can easy beat the WOBL with them.
I also noticed with one popular streamer (not you, Zaff) that every time one week in advance he will stream and will say "nay, skip it, too weak" and immediately after update "guys, I will tell you - this character is so OP, don't sleep, a must for your account!" And this happens every update 😂
I don't get this. Don't you know this Is a kind of game made to squeeze Money out of players? If you don't stand this go get a console, grind and be Happy with what you built.
Not surprising, when you see that earlier, an original girl/lolly hunter was released, becoming the best DPS of the game.
I will say the same thing I said in paynenlades video it’s a gotcha game light had it’s time to shine now it’s time for a fire to carry the torch
Dam invested a lot on thomas ;-; rip , imagine they release Liu Zhigang as a new fire unit anyways as the game is bending towards fire units , would be hype
Got the 5 creator codes you gave out ❤️thanks zaff
I don't care if they are nerf or not!! Because netmarble are banning me without any reason for one year! Whereby the content creator reports, they released him in just 6 hours! That's the way netmarble treating normal players like that!I already pissed off how they replied to me!😡🤬 I had stopped playing this shit game
akari was so troooolllll; assuming light will be completely fine for HM once they nerf the workshop (they will)
I noticed that the gacha rate for the rate up characters & new weapon in this new update are ruined too. The rate up selection list is useless. Its getting harder. Before it only takes 60/80 pull to get the SSR. Sometimes u can get it in 30/80 pull. Now it will always need to reach 70/80 pull to get SSR. N still not getting the one you want especially the Fire Fan. Gacha rate is getting terrible, and now the new meta problem. These days onward f2p players probably gonna leave the game very soon because of the power creep. I'm seeing the Tower of Fantasy treatment if this keeps on. It's like the devs trying to cull out the F2P from this game.
Can you like try thomas with curse and obsidian sets but with defence penetration as a main stats with minor defence
Dirty play from the Devs. All my resources went to my light team. . .
So? U can do normal with cha+go+min, for hard I think u must get 45% penetration and 36k defense on Thomas and it will be ez clean
@ExhaustedEx currently running thomas on 29k def 30% def pen and 30% dmg increase also 197% dc 7k crit rate. Hard for me to improve that much def pen atm. Still a bit underwhelmed by this meta shift so fast.
@@ExhaustedEx bro thats the problem if You do that Thomas won't have enough damage remember his damage is based on defense if You put more penetration he s going to have less damage, besides they put deimos a "nerf" for our light units... They re doing less damage in that boss.
@@alejomaster4035 that's why you complain about the light, instead of making the CORRECT build, you do everything ROOTS wrong, and complain that there is no damage, and there is a HIDDEN nerf to the light 🤣
@@ExhaustedEx bro You don't know what you're talking about and You said it yourself... 45% penetration and 36k of defense thats = CHANGE ALL ARTIFACTS and get em with +4 to get those stats and have them all with A10 and you're forgeting that this Game has a horrible RNG soooooo is not really that easy like You said... So... Calm down
The logic of the WOBL was that it started with water, resistant to fire. Then wind came, and kept WATER/WIND, resistant to fire. Barn moved one element further, kept the previous new element, Wind, and added Dark. WIND/DARK. While keeping the older element, Water, the resistance of the Boss. So the logic would be that every element has TWO WOBL that the boss is weak against. And now was supposed to be DARK/LIGHT ( since fire was the first resistance, then it would be the last weakness), and be resistant to Wind. But they skipped directly to Light/Fire. So it seems that light will have ONLY ONE WOBL that it is STRONG AGAINST, and THAT SINGLE WOBL WAS POWER CREPT by the high defense penetration mechanichs. I think what happened is that they wanted a team with akari, Kanae, and Goto, as it was in the Mawhaa. But they brought Thomas earlier and messed up.
And now, players are reluctant to invest in any characthers, since they might be useless in a month. Yoo for example, is very powerful now, but might be completely overpowered by Kanae... So all F2P players don't want to invest in her just yet... we don't even know if gina will be the one replaced... it is a complete mess.
Personally, I don’t mind it. I skipped most banners hoping they’d add Esil, and thankfully, they did so I got her to A10 and still have just enough to guarantee one Kanae. I don’t have Soohyun yet, but I lost a bunch of 50/50s to Choi, so he’s a4 now, along with an a1 Gina.
I feel like they’ll eventually add units to each element that provide what’s needed, like penetration and other effects. I’m actually glad some modes might require specific characters or abilities since it gives something to work toward. I get the frustration, but I prefer when new hard modes take time to clear rather than being beaten immediately. It gives me a goal so I don’t get bored before the next update. If you don’t want to run a fire team or have invested in light, you can wait they’ll likely add a light penetration buffer eventually. I only saved and a10 Esil because I’m a simp, but for other characters, I plan to get one copy and pick up dupes over time once they’re in the standard pool. Since some modes and even the story required specific elements, I never felt investing too heavily in one was a good move, especially as a f2p. That’s why, while I like watching content creators for their insights, I don’t base my pulls solely on their opinions but more as just good insight. I think the game just needs time so that each elements roster has time to get their counterpart units for each effect, as they cant release everything all at once. But yea thats just me.
one fix could be changing the defense penetration on Yoo, not a defense penetration on hit but as a debuff(like 4 seconds on everyone and 8 second if they have fire weakness), if the enemy has the defense broken because of her then the light team could do the WOBL, damn even other teams could have a chance with this, instead of using other supports like Akari or Min you just use Yoo as a defense pen debuffer. Yoo applies the debuff Thomas wipes them meanwhile Goo breaks them. Easy change and this would make both Fire and Light or mostly light team viable. They could still release the others without screwing up with all the other players like this.
Emma is one of my top 3 characters that makes up my battle point tier. When I heard Esil was a breaker and fire, I was like they just made one of my strongest characters more irrelevant. Least I was able to A5 Esil with 180 pulls, got Akari simply cause I liked the character design.
What about Weapon armory? enhance weapon like moonshadow but other weapon got enhancing...
I have spent more than 100k for light team and near perfect build i think for hard next wobl. And now netmarble meta light Weak against deimos?? Holy shit. Man i have no money now to build perfect fire meta😢
being f2p and spending like a month and a half trying to build up a perfect light team only for it to be immediately outclassed by fire was definitely not on my bucket list. im kinda conflicted tho because fire def needed the love from the devs
Brother Zaff, I really appreciate you and especially your guides and tips on the game i always smile when i see the fire event weapons and says this is Zaff weapon and never try to remember it's true name
But this situation is just awful really bad and a foolish move on their part
We recently was comparing SLA to other games, and the creator made a valid point about how characters in those games can stay at the top for over a year due to their strong impact that give them a very strong players base all people like it when they win but no one like it when they lose specially this way
They really hyped us up with the character for months the character did save them and a lot of players join the game
We were eagerly waiting for his releases a lot of players that stopped comeback and for those who love the story to join us
But when he finally dropped, he wasn’t nearly as terrifying as the real story portrayed him
They gave him the rank of a national level hunter, with a fiery presence that set him apart from other ranks, along with a special outfit that didn’t even appear in the original story a flame like effect
But what? We’ve been waiting and grinding to collect for him since he first appeared in the lobby, a month before his release and even afterward. We were thrilled when his time was extended in the temporary banner and use all what we can to make him stronger and even more excited for the new players or those who couldn’t snag multiple copies of him when he was added to the permanent banner right away from the temporary banner
In the end they do this to us? It’s incredibly disappointing and frustrating
They need to address this issue, or it’s going to escalate into a major disaster
People have invested so much money and time, and it feels like they’re taking us for granted never see something stupid like this since nokia go with windows instead of andriod this company will fall for sure if they don't find out a solution and again thank you so much for your hard word and everything that you do to us I'll really miss your fantastic voices and funny words good luck in your journey Peace
For 320 days we never seen fire meta, fire team based for defense penetration, now we finally get fire meta, how u wanna see this meta based with penetration without defense on boss? Do buff for light team in wobl? Why we need fire then?)
Just do ur Thomas 30% penetration with normal wobl and around 45% for hard and stop cry maybe
@@ExhaustedEx Thank you for making the effort to reply to me I give you a like but I'm not crying and never will be cuz this things spouse to make us happier not the opposite the truth is I'm angry and frustrated with the current meta shift and how defense penetration is being handled
Fire teams have been waiting a long time for their moment, so it makes sense to expect proper mechanics that justify their role
However, balancing metas isn't just about raw penetration values it also depends on team synergy, buffs, and enemy scaling
If bosses lack defense, then penetration based strategies lose impact i really understand that, which does seem counterintuitive for a fire meta
That said, if Thomas can still reach 30-45% penetration in different difficulties, it might just be about optimizing setups rather than outright dismissing fire team
Maybe tweaks are needed, but outright disregarding light’s role isn’t the solution either they should let it shine we were so hyped and now what?they are really stupid, I hope you understand my point of view like I did understand yours, have a good time and Peace
they wouldn't do a wickness to the light if it was impossible, the logic is that there was always a main element in the wobbler, and the second one is less effective but real As Mirei lower then Charlotte
All players now just much drama, coz THOMAS is not stronger then all in the game, but, he don’t must)
@ExhaustedEx my dear brother the real problem, they let us down by putting the light element in the dark just after hyped us, specially andre how in the world a national level hunter that mostly save the deves they gained a lot of new players some even make multiple accounts and after all that they let him down right afterwards
they should let it shine and hade it time then give fire or whatever else element a spot after it
they have goto and the chinese national hunter they have a lot of ways and routes to choose but they was so stupid to do this nonsense fire right now after allllllllllllllll this time and support they do this to us
for me I'm done with this is was my first and last mobile game I'll just buy the new switch 2 for the kids have fun with them in the holidays and stop playing as a hard-core sla fun or anythings else
game over buddy I'm done they fix it or not and I hope you could continue have a good time best regards HunterPeace
As a casual player the only problem i see is them releasing the strongest hunter besides Sung so early, eventually he'll be the weakest National Hunter if the next units are stronger as it usually happens with these kind of games
Literally releasing these characters instead of the likes of charlotte would have made fans happy
Yuri Orloff ( will likely be go gun hee gameplay type, shield defense scalling, with CC)
Lennart Niermann ( his skills afaik was shown in the monarchs war)
the hunters from jeju island raid
Kei
Kenzo Tanaka
Kanae Tawata
Atsushi Kumamoto
Goto Ryuji
A national level hunter is a nation level hunter. They should be top tier no matter what.
They fucked up and released Thomas andre too early, he should have been released as the last national level hunter so that power creep would have made sense
A more logical release timeline for it was
Christopher Reed ( World no. 3 national level)
Sidhharth Bachhan ( World no. 4 )
Goto Ryuji ( was supposed to be the next national level but he got one tapped by beru )
Liu Zhigang ( World no. 2 )
Thomas Andre (World no. 1)
Reed before bachhan because (1) more people would be happier (2) reed was actually seen in the original manwha while bachhan afaik wasnt seen till ragnarok
I think all of this will be solved if they just puff the Light team so it will be on bar with the fire team since the majority of players invested heavily in the light team and it doesn't feel good to have all your investments flushed down the toilet, the path that the game is going for right now is extremely greedy and eventually on the long run will cause their downfall.
I noticed that the gacha rate for the rate up characters & new weapon in this new update are ruined too. The rate up selection list is useless. Its getting harder. Before it only takes 60/80 pull to get the SSR. Sometimes u can get it in 30/80 pull. Now it will always need to reach 70/80 pull to get SSR. N still not getting the one you want especially the Fire Fan. Gacha rate is getting terrible, and now the new meta problem. These days onward f2p players probably gonna leave the game very soon because of the power creep. I'm seeing the Tower of Fantasy treatment.
Thomas should have been released far later in the game. (SPOILERS) He himself was introduced with his abilities near the end of the story.
They wanted to quickly bring people to the game and released him, just to be powercrept in 3 months by a random non-cannon story lolly.
What they can do to "salvage" the situation is having each national hunter being the strongest character in a specific colors, meaning that now we do not use light but in the future when light content is released he will be the meta to go
I feel like it wouldn't be so bad if getting good artifacts wasn't such a pain and just getting the subs you're looking for is difficult enough for me it's like I pour endless materials into my artifacts and still wind up with sub par sub stat increases I really wish they'd just let us pick the sub stat we wanted to increase
I'm gonna nudge at CC a bit so i'm sorry in advance,
25% are people who listened blatantly to CC that told them to get him to A10,
They should've just kept it safe in A7 or A6.
I understand he is strong so i don't really mind this one,
But the problem is when Akari became "an important unit for Thomas" or so it seems.
People should not have summoned for her just to buff thomas.
Idc if the dev created an illusion that light team will be meta, it was your decision to pull for Akari to a certain extent without thinking about your tickets.
Don't pull like a whale when you can't handle the consequences.
Not just the 25% but anyone who is annoyed by this deep shift in element.
Fire meta wouldnt be so controversial if the game wasnt so biased towards specific elements.
Sung Jinwoo, assuming you want to be optimal, uses two dark weapons and 2 dark skills. Plume sword is a god tier weapon, and so is Moonshadow along with Demon King as a wind option.
Fire sucks. Fire has sucked for a long time. Your options were Vulcan's Rage and/or Pheonix Bow. Armor Break's fire rune is great, but nothing in any element comes close to Magnifying Slashes in terms of pure damage.
Your best bet for a fire DPS is Sooyun. Choi can't crit. Esil is our newest good fire breaker, but nothing at the level of someone like Go Gunhee. Fire has been mediocre for months. And now its mandatory. We dont have the resources to build what used to be the worst team in the game
Deimos WOBL feels like they're only weak to fire because of the required defense penetration mechanics. It's like they're forcing Fire to be viable which is pretty dumb. Compare it with Baran where you can either go with Harper (Dark) or Mirei (Wind) team, and the result would be the same.
Imagine if the next WOBL has a recommended Fire and Dark elements, but they made is so the enemy has billion HP with no barely any def stat at all, so defense penetration would be completely useless. And at the same time, they introduced a new Dark bleed hunter that deals damage based on the enemy max HP.
Yes you can still beat the mode with Fire team, but they have to be incredibly overleveled to brute force though the gimmick when you can just use the new Dark hunter with a very basic investments and steamroll though the content.
It's not looking good if this is the direction the game is heading.
I'm just kind of annoyed that there are no healing fire units Am I wrong truly been isn't that the only element that doesn't have a SSR firebase healer?
Why are people pissed?
I mean it's not like they are needing any hunters. Just different game modes different play styles.
So building hunters is what's interesting. It takes a bit of time but it's fun.
Just because you cannot destroy the enemies in one shot with your main team doesn't mean it's bad...
bro if everyone had every single hunter over A5 dont think people are gonna be mad unless ur a whale or a dolphin with good luck its not easy to do that as a f2p it takes time to do so also most of us have dried up every single source of ess/tickets rn so u would have to wait till a new mode that would fix that
@faresamgad7059 I'm free to play too. And I have been playing the waiting game. The thing is I do understand the frustration but see it this way, different modes we use different characters. What's the point of having 1 crazy destruction unit and other hunters that come after become non use able as everyone just plays the same ones. Also when PVP comes different types of hunters will create different synergies which will be fun to do rather than just seeing only 1 element or 1 hunter being run by everyone
@@ansubhuyan4273 i mean the next wobl is TP is around 1,450,000 , like how you could even do that when the normal mode gives you literally nothiiing , and also whyyyyy a national level hunter ( THOMAS ANDRE ) gets hard diff by a A level hunter 😐😐😐😐
@ansubhuyan4273 People really need to learn how to manage their resources. Going all in on light was definitely not the way, especially if someone's free to play. Most of the clowns crying rn are the ones who used all their resources on the light team because of mere speculations.
People are pissed because they invested so much on a hunter who (unlike what Zaff is saying because he wants to soften the blow of the statement) already got replaced and turned out to be useless for the content people where expecting him to shine in.
Thomas is bad. People were building their light team to clear Hard mode Deimos and this is not going to happen.
Then another issue is, even if you invest in the fire team now the next content might have another gimmick that makes them useless in 2 months. So why bother spending on any unit at all ?
Everyone needs to get a grip, they haven’t gate kept the content behind a brand new character that you neeed to a-10. Soohyun has been out for 7 months, everyone should have a couple copies. And the new draw ticket event let you pick a character for free. Honestly anyone below 1.2 million power shouldn’t be complaining at all about wobl as its END game content and if you’re not at the end game power, then you simply aren’t supposed to be doing hard mode anyway
@@Solowhale1 Bro, think about it this way... Why would you want to build a character that at that moment you couldn't do anything with because there was no content for that character, I can assure you with complete certainty that absolutely no one has their characters with the element. fire with all its stars, artifacts or anything.... they no longer have resources since when Thomas arrived everyone said to use everything to have it in A10 and now everyone has it in A10 but without being able to use it because now they are forcing you to use characters with fire element...
@ the whole purpose of elemental typing is that u have to switch what characters you use and can’t just focus on one team. Met marble never said spend your life savings on Thomas and expect everything to be fine. And everyone should know that at some point light wasn’t going to be strong. Just like how at some point in the future, light will be meta again and you will be so happy you built Thomas. So you simply have to adapt. If you can’t hack the grind then don’t play
@ also. Light literally hard carries every piece of content in the game including Deimos normal. At this current point, there’s nothing the fire team can clear that light can’t. Hard mode is literally 1 tiny sliver of the game meant for the best of the best players and it’s not even out yet
I dont mind the fire meta per say. I have a problem with yoo being so dominant in gb and pod because that's where "thomas should've "shine"
Yoo doesnt dominate in POD bro. Top players dont even use her now
I wrote yoo instead of fire team in whole. I understand that Thomas would eventually get replaced even if they didn't do what they did with fire team. Just don't advertise him to be dominant in those team game mode yet "Reign" last like a month
@@shaka2116 thomas' reign lasted almost 2 months in GB, powercrept every team and every hunter by large margins. His banner and akari's banner is definitely not 1 month.
In POD, soohyun is very bad option.
@MousuTV again yoo was a mistake I intended to say/write fire team and Thomas gb Reign would inability come to an end just not by a older unit and just not so soon especially it's where he supposed to shine...
It definitely be a problem to the f2p or low spender competitive players. Aside from that, you'll still need other elemental units or weapons to clear different elemental type dungeons, etc
So my question is is Thomas now useless and second question is whether they nerfed the whole light part of game like skill runes , weapons or just only hunter and also they cannot do this without telling us like player like me who are F2W had spend most on thomas because he was reliable but now we are cooked and screwed
I agree that the way Fire was pushed was poorly done but one thing is for certain, we're having this discussion right now for two reasons:
1. Akari is a complete joke for a dedicated support, if she wasn't just marginally better than a random hunter for the light team and did her job properly Thomas Andre would be able to handle WOBL with a much easier time.
2. Which I dare to say is even more important... This all comes down to expectations and the community as a whole keeps having certain expectations that either are unrealistic or are fueled by certain opinions (assumptions even) and assumed as be all end all leading to massive disappointments (several examples by now).
So guys while I understand where a lot of you come from, and it's not like I'm happy with how this is being handled (which could also be concerning for the future) the devs are far from being the only ones to blame and as a community I guess we're not learning all that much.
I do not mind meta shifts or Fire units getting love. That's been way overdue. But it is clear the majority (or more accurately, the entire) of player base was gonna pull for Thomas Andre, and they basically did not make him viable in WOBL. Sure, I can clear Normal Deimos but there is no way for 99% of F2P players or low spenders to clear Hard Deimos with Thomas, despite saving resources to pull for him.
I was starting to have some sort of hope and respect that maybe NM won't screw us over (despite its shady reputation as a money grubbing gacha dev). But this is a bit much. I did not use a single rate-up tickets ever since I started playing because I was saving up for Thomas Andre (I'm a super low spender and I buy the monthly free sweeps). And now they pull this shit. Come on, at leas make Thomas viable in WOBL for one cycle. Because right now, not only are the power requirements too high, the only viable team that can clear Hard Deimos is a maxed out Fire Team with insane gears.
This is so so stupid on so many levels and feels scammy. I feel like I got scammed, and that is not something a game dev wants their player base to feel. If nothing changes, in 2-3 months time, this is going to come off as "Hey, let's bait all the players with Thomas and then add a gimmick in WOBL so they also have to pull for Fire teams to progress their account". I've played many gacha games but this is the first time I felt like I was getting scammed.
Okay so, am I upset/mad sure. Cause why do we spend money on a game. And we really didn’t test Thomas as much. Sure he got us through stimulation gate (lol) but that’s about it. BUT I can say we have so much story left it’s not like the “light team” Will be done. We still have the guild boss which he rips through as well as new content coming within the going months. And the new guild boss coming in as well. So we will have to see.
I thnk that the main issue is that fire were too sinergistic so very few people spent money on them. No one really complained for Dark because Baek was buffed and I enjoyed my dark team because I had a decent Baek. Fire stayed kinda meh and weak even with Gina and, tbh, we completely missed the def pen stacking meta which was viable as well with Emma (even though to a lesser extent). The problem was not the meta shift but the felt uselessness of the fire team till Esil and the massive defense stack of the WOBL. I reckon that if WOBL Deimos came first we would have found about Def Pen stacks even without Esil.
What frustrates me the most is for our f2p & light spender community who has been gaslighted by content creators to push thomas and the light team, just to finally have a CHANCE at clearing HARD mode WOBL and join the exclusive 3k-7k first clear, that dream is now shattered, broken, and drop dead because of the gimmick and meta shift to fire all of a sudden.
Alicia stays meta for 1 WOBL vulcan
Mirei and the wind team stays meta for WOBL BARAN
and now light team is unusable for hard mode deimos 😢
just my personal opinion. games tends to switch meta all the time, that's why i don't believe when other players says "ohhh get this character to full, he's the best" and when you do get that character to full and the meta change, this is what happens........ just a personal experience. dont get me wrong but i got my character to A5 and now my thomas is just now A10 but i also did try to get the fire team up to minimum just in case bacause i did not believe thomas would dominate the game for a long time. meta will change. Change is the only thing thats permanent.
I completely understand people's frustration with the new WoBL, it has an insane power level requirement which pretty much requires your hunters to be around A8 and above with very good gear which is a very heavy investment, and on top of that they added the defense penetration gimmick which none of the light hunters have built into their kits but the fire team excels at.The way I see it, anyone who invested into Thomas didn't make a mistake, he is still the best unsupported hunter in the game and with how fast the meta shifts, we could easily get new end game content where the investments really pay out
Edit: I'm not mad they are adding non canon characters like Harper, Charlotte, Alicia etc., but it felt like a poor time to add them in. They could have easily started on the Blade Guild slightly earlier since we are introduced to 13 S-ranks as of the current story progression that aren't released into the game yet. With roughly 1 new hunter per month, we will end up well behind the story if they continue at the current rate
@@jamesbarton4424 isn’t WoBL ENDGAME thought you know for when all you have left are the grindy things left to do
@@ericsmith2777 yes especially with how high of TP requirements this new WoBL needs. My main point was that it looks like we will eventually have every Monarch in WoBL so surely 1 or 2 of them will be weak to light and won't have the defense penetration gimmick so the light team will get multiple chances to be used in WoBL
I can't even plaything new workshop of brilliant light😂
i am confused whether to use moonshadow or demon king’s daggers? can anyone help me?
It depends on what you’re trying to do. DKD is the best damage dealing weapon and Moon Shadow daggers are the second best supporting weapon. It’s recommended to work on both simultaneously until they’re both A5
Bro I don't have problem with meta but I invest my all resources in light know I don't have resources I feel like I am in debt of shadow energy because currently I need 50k shadow energy and now meta also changing so what can I do now😢😢
Yea, personally I don't mind meta shift. I think it keeps the game fresh, like I don't want to use the same top team all the time for months. As long as they make other existing good teams still viable or useful.
Meta shifts are normal. But make it fairly viable for the LIght team. Budget fire team would probably melt hard mode at this rate while a highly pumped up light team may not?? Cmon! The devs probably did not tested the defense pen abuse for the fire team which mouse found out. It's just bluntly unbalance man!
I am ok with it more unhappy than happy with the change. I think it’s fine to go for a meta shift but I think it should be a buff to others rather than a nerf and I do understand this is tricky due to power creep reasons
Before alicia now andre 😢
Not making fire team (I don't know why but for me after dark fire elemnts hunter sucks except esil )waiting for goto
I just hope that the devs seeing this video dont nerf the fire team just to make the light team the best team again...a game having multiple metas that are all runable is what the devs should be aiming for...considering this is a PVE focused game players should in theory be able to use their favourite characters for the content. However all the national level should all be meta/game breaking EQUALLY therefore making the 4 national level hunters all sport different teams for each element thereby making the game balanced...just my opinion tho
Man I am hard stuck at floor 25 easy Vulcan I'm level 70🥲
usa nam as breaker, lee jo hee or han se mi as support and mirei, I did it at level 47.
tell me how to level up i am at level 85 but increasing level is really hard ,i am f2p no money whatsover spent on game tell me how to level up faster
Everyone pulled for light team then shifted the meta just like that
Yeah I agree with most of the f2p players, invested a lot into light now it's hard to just shift to fire, yoo soohyun isn't that high. Esil is still low, kanae is upcoming.
It's not really looking great for us 😭
This is Netmarble, what were we expecting 😂
But seriously Thomas shouldn't have released early in general. But they also decided to not give us difficult light content
I'm happy with the fact that Esil's release made SooHyun not only usable but actually OP.
I always liked her gameplay and she has some of the best skins. I always thought that it was a pity that I had no content where I could use SooHyun and Gina, but now that has been fixed. So I'm satisfied with the meta shift 🔥
dev should add non element WOBL so that we can try all hunter to participate it,
Can't wait for the update🎉
I have A10 Thomas and A9 Go Gunhee as a F2P and I am fuming, I could only clear the normal mode with 40s left and I know I will not be able to complete hard mode with them.
For sure I'm unhappy bcz of my light investment, but I'm happy for fire as well! I'm a f2p who tries to be on top and competitive and the devs baiting us on investing on light team didn't make me really happy. But I know it is a gacha game and the only thing I need devs to do is to make the hard mode playable for the f2p who are doing their best! No matter how they gonna make it possible, at least let us get some fire team to summon so we would be able to find a way to clear hard mode and become one of the f2p who cleared the wobl among 3k-7k people
Full maxed A10 light team < A5 not so decent fire team on WOBL. Even if it says recommended element is FIRE/LIGHT 😂
Thank you so much🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Honestly, i expect this kinda massive meta shift month to month with Netmarble games, happened all the time with 7DS. Its why i stopped playing. Just hope they pull theyre heads out and try to properly balance the game. Ive been having a lot of fun the past week or so and find the gameplay loop better than other gachas. Again, i hope Netmarble can make the game more balanced overall as S-rank and Nation levels should be at the top.
Why released 2light banner contineously before wobl and gimmeked players to invest in light more
Agree, National hunter should be stronger, but fall on the same level as A rank.
Yes I hate the fact that my full a5+ light team is worse than fire team