Thanks for the review and the site in general. Both my wife and I bought gravel/touring bikes during the pandemic. Not wanting to spend a ton of time in bike shops, this channel was a life saver for our research. She got a Space Horse (2020 model, not this one). I got a 2021 Kona Rove DL (formerly ST). You clued us in on things to look for, tire sizes/clearances, all of it. We are both coming from strict road cycling history.
I'm a certified retrogrouch but I don't mind the more traditional styled frames when they have discs etc (though disc isn't my cup of tea), but I think having a threadless stem and pressfit bb really spoils the whole look.
I built up a Space Horse frame and fork a few months ago with an Industry Nine 650b wheelset and Microshift Advent X. It's a great bike for my style of riding, pavement, gravel, mild singletrack, it does it all and looks good doing it.
I have a green 2019 frame build from Analog and love it. It was my first build and really my first serious bike. I love it but unfortunately discovered its to much bike for what i can ride. I have taken it on long road trips with G-Ones as well as gravel and single track on 2.25 Thunderburts. I put a White Industries 32t paired with a eThirteen 9-46 so plenty of gearing. I love the steel and find the bike to be very solid on the road and on the singletrack. Quick enough to toss around quickly on gravel as well. Unfortunately as I said I found myself riding it to much one the road so I’m selling it. I think its an amazing gravel / singletrack bike!
Just built my 2020 Space Horse with the blue colorway and a 1x set up a month ago and yes, I think this is the bike I'll only need for mostly everything (not for racing, of course) :) Can't wait to try it for any next rando event
@@kellrockets101 Hey, great to hear you're building the space horse! I love it so far and I've concluded that I'll never sell this bike (if not for financial reason). Been riding it almost 10000 KM now after almost 2 years. My setup is 40t chainring front and 11t-42t sprocket with GRX groupset and 700x35 wheelset. I use it for daily commute, endurance training, occasional long rides, and some Audax (200 - 300km) events. Truly an all-rounder :) I have to say that it's definitely not the fastest bike on earth, so it's pretty hard to keep up on a peloton but it's so reliable on long rides and gravel rides. On my last ride I can still do 25kph - 30kph without much exertion for 300km, but above that it's a pain haha hope this helps tho! Lemme know how your build goes or post your build on All-City Facebook Group!
i ride an all city mk ltd for 2 years now ... Sometimes i thought about buy a carbon frame but steel is so smooth, reliable and solid i don't want anything else. Instead a new frame i have upgrade to a very nice dt swiss 1400 24 db carbon wheelset and now its perfect, i love it...
Although, not super flashy or lightweight this is probably one of the best looking production bikes you've featured IMO. Love it! The GRX build is safe and could shed some weight by ditching tubes and fitting lighter wheels (possibly -2 lbs). For bikes in their lineup I'm more interested in their Super Professional personally, sliders and more "fun"/"playful" geo are more important :)
It's a "light touring bike" not a full blown touring bike like the LHT. So yes, it could come in a little lighter. A Bombora can be built under 25lbs. Also the Kona Libre which is similarish comes in under 25lbs.
@@PathLessPedaledTV What sort of weight limit would you estimate for touring with the bombora? Considering building one up- but would like to use it for some longish touring- but in places like the US, UK and France, not Africa. I feel like the Bombora can do it. Have any thoughts on that?
Thanks to you videos ive just started ordering parts for my new gravel bike and its totaled to be $5346 AUD in just the main parts. The frame hasn't even been made yet but thats a further $2,200. I ordered parts because I got sucked in everything was '1' remaining :) But... I understand this channel is for budget but functional builds and yes, my bike was going to start off being a budget build other than the frame but the budget was to be $3000 aud for a custom carbon gravel bike, but trouble hit. My idea of putting my spare GX sram eagle on the bike and reusing all spare parts was completely ruined, I though new mechanical sram force was 12 speed... even if it was it wont shift a eagle derailleur. I looked into GRX but the gear ratios are not right for me. So final build, full sram force 1x with dropper post with power meter crankset with 36T ring. I needed a 50T cassette that wasn't microspline but 11 speed. So im putting a Garbaruk 50t 11spd cassette on pair of zipp carbon wheels with XD driver body. Sram rival derailleur with eagle cage. Yep thats it... not much to the build but it cost me HARD buying everything individually and lots from USA with $30 shipping and huge import taxes. So hard to find SRAM here in Australia but shimano ultegra would have been half the price.
I miss my old horse, bummed about the small cassette, which was my biggest complaint about the old bike and one of the reasons I sold it, in addition to loving disc brakes. Do you know how big of a cassette you can go on the stock derailler/shifter setup?
Path Less Pedaled Thanks, Thats good news at least. Cassette swap and it’s ready to go for steep grades! Digging the crank though, makes a lot of sense to with that range. Not too weird / sketchy shifting from 46 down to 30? That seems like a big jump.
I have a Diamant 135 which is the German version. It's an incredible bike and can handle 29er tires too. It handles load very well. The racks are super stiff and have handled an insane amount of abuse from my riding. The bike is also a lot of fun to ride unloaded. It handles single track well, if you're into the rigid life.
@@TheRickurb it will be worth the wait! You might have an easier time finding a frame and building it up, but the color on the Grando just looks awesome.
Was looking at these a while back and found an old vid of someone apparently suing All City due to frame failure causing injury - anyone know if that was real, what happened after etc? It looked old so one would assume if there were fault, which there might not have been, the it'd be resolved by now. Just curious as so many of the All City bikes look fantastic and so tempting.
Real. Frame failures are not uncommon for any brand though. I think the reason that All City was sued was because they didn't own up to covering the victims bills. FWIW I just toured my 2020 Space Horse 210 miles the length of New Jersey with no problems.
@@djlesinski7978 thanks for the reply. Like you say I'd imagine quite a few frame, and component for that matter, manufacturers have had issues at one point or another. One cas in thousands, especially on an older model, is not too concerning I guess.
@@thebrowns5337 it was a brand new bike that it happened on. How they handled the case stopped me from buying one - there's no excuse for fork failure.
Gotta quibble a bit with one of your suggested uses: it's precisely because the bike has such nice looks that make it a horrible choice for commuting. Personally, I want my commuter bike to look like the cheapest piece of beat up trash locked at the bike rack.
Hi Russ, long-time viewer, first-time commenter. I'm thinking about picking up a Space Horse to break into rando brevets. Currently have an '84 Schwinn Voyageur which is an excellent bike but leaves something to be desired re: modern spec (narrow tires, cantis, a bit too big for me). Do you think the Space Horse would be well-suited to true rando riding? Thanks!
Outside of not being low trail, which I don't think is a deal breaker I don't see why not. It is plenty comfortable and can take a front rack. There is also a fair amount of weight that can be shed in the wheels and components if you wanted to make it a little lighter.
This looks like a great bike, especially for the money. But that atrocious color is a deal breaker for me. Normally the color isn't really a factor for me, but I just can't do this one.
@@thisishowiedewitt76 True. I'm typically just looking at frames so will swap stuff over or get the best deal and sell off the parts I don't want. But that makes sense for what most are looking for. Didn't think about it that way
Ever since that All City fork fell apart nearly killing a guy, I just can't do all city anymore. They denied all responsibility and wouldn't even cover his medical expenses.
Well then I hope you also swore off Salsa and Surly because all three are QBP bikes--they fabricate the frames and forks. To be honest, though, it was a freak break. It happens with many manufacturers.
@@ianlaughlin9281 Ian, their product failed freak accident or not. If they stood behind their product they would have done something to help - replacing the bike would have been a good start.
@@driventomadness117 If they were truly at fault, then yes. The issue is that there's no way to corroborate the rider's claims that there was no previous accident or damage that contributed to the breakage. I've seen pictures of the top tube and it seems consistent with damage--not weld failure.
Love your channel and posts but this one is not one of your better offerings. You reviewed it like it was up against every bike category instead of reviewing it for what the bike was made for and what ,in fact, it does.
Who is this bike for? Easy question. It's for the person that owns a tow truck. That would make a bike touring trip doable/perfect! This bike maker should be sent to the shaming circle where they chant MORE GEARS until they pass out.
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Thanks for the review and the site in general. Both my wife and I bought gravel/touring bikes during the pandemic. Not wanting to spend a ton of time in bike shops, this channel was a life saver for our research. She got a Space Horse (2020 model, not this one). I got a 2021 Kona Rove DL (formerly ST). You clued us in on things to look for, tire sizes/clearances, all of it. We are both coming from strict road cycling history.
I’m trying to choose between exactly those two bikes. Which do you prefer?
I guess im getting old but I'm liking these kinda retro looking bikes with more modern components.
Yes - the frame looks like my 80's Triumph Tempest, just the 'bits' are new :)
I'm a certified retrogrouch but I don't mind the more traditional styled frames when they have discs etc (though disc isn't my cup of tea), but I think having a threadless stem and pressfit bb really spoils the whole look.
My theory is that whatever the look of bikes when you were 18, that’s what you have a soft spot for now. And maybe forever.
@@albertbatfinder5240 agreed 👍. I like your theory.
You're not getting old, you're getting real. And, well, we all know steel is real :)
Releasing reviews on the same day the new models drop. Pretty cool. Congrats
It’s a first.
I agree that was cool!
Love the Cosmic Stallion for gravel. Agreed, the Space Horse more road oriented.
I built up a Space Horse frame and fork a few months ago with an Industry Nine 650b wheelset and Microshift Advent X. It's a great bike for my style of riding, pavement, gravel, mild singletrack, it does it all and looks good doing it.
My LBS got the GRX "Dusty Roses" preordered. I'm picking up mine next weekend :)
Never any worries about a little extra weight. It guarantees a superior party pace.
Max tire size for 700 wheels as posted by all city on the space horse product page is 45mm.
Love the new color way. In light if this video, any plans to re-review the new Gorilla Monsoon also?
I have a green 2019 frame build from Analog and love it. It was my first build and really my first serious bike. I love it but unfortunately discovered its to much bike for what i can ride. I have taken it on long road trips with G-Ones as well as gravel and single track on 2.25 Thunderburts. I put a White Industries 32t paired with a eThirteen 9-46 so plenty of gearing. I love the steel and find the bike to be very solid on the road and on the singletrack. Quick enough to toss around quickly on gravel as well. Unfortunately as I said I found myself riding it to much one the road so I’m selling it. I think its an amazing gravel / singletrack bike!
I ended up buying the Tiagra version after watching your review, Russ. Been loving every second with it 😁
Sweet color! Looks gorgeous.
Just built my 2020 Space Horse with the blue colorway and a 1x set up a month ago and yes, I think this is the bike I'll only need for mostly everything (not for racing, of course) :) Can't wait to try it for any next rando event
Hey I'm building a 1x space horse up as we speak.....how do you like the setup so far? You do any events with it? Thanks
@@kellrockets101 Hey, great to hear you're building the space horse! I love it so far and I've concluded that I'll never sell this bike (if not for financial reason). Been riding it almost 10000 KM now after almost 2 years.
My setup is 40t chainring front and 11t-42t sprocket with GRX groupset and 700x35 wheelset. I use it for daily commute, endurance training, occasional long rides, and some Audax (200 - 300km) events. Truly an all-rounder :)
I have to say that it's definitely not the fastest bike on earth, so it's pretty hard to keep up on a peloton but it's so reliable on long rides and gravel rides. On my last ride I can still do 25kph - 30kph without much exertion for 300km, but above that it's a pain haha hope this helps tho! Lemme know how your build goes or post your build on All-City Facebook Group!
Congrats on the exclusive + day launch review. Love the frame - want to pick one up and build it up
i ride an all city mk ltd for 2 years now ... Sometimes i thought about buy a carbon frame but steel is so smooth, reliable and solid i don't want anything else. Instead a new frame i have upgrade to a very nice dt swiss 1400 24 db carbon wheelset and now its perfect, i love it...
Would you choose this over the Surly Midnight Special or Straggler?
Although, not super flashy or lightweight this is probably one of the best looking production bikes you've featured IMO. Love it! The GRX build is safe and could shed some weight by ditching tubes and fitting lighter wheels (possibly -2 lbs). For bikes in their lineup I'm more interested in their Super Professional personally, sliders and more "fun"/"playful" geo are more important :)
I'd love to hear what you think of the Super Professional. 425 mm chainstays, thru axle, and single-speedable makes it appealing
Hoping to test one in the Spring.
Aside from being obscenely thick-walled, the new fork crown and other lugged bits are quite attractive! Love those curves
Was not as compliant as the canti version.
Can we get a PLP “Fat Meats” T-shirt already??? Preferably with a pic of a tire on it...you know...so no one gets the wrong idea.
Hell yeah
"it doesn't quite have the clearances to run the fatter meats" says Russ, while rocking 650b × 48 ;)
I know. Not so long ago thicker rubber meant checking there was clearance at the fork for 28s.
Another great review man thanks more options means more people rolling
a little lighter? is there a steel touring bike coming in at 25lbs?
It's a "light touring bike" not a full blown touring bike like the LHT. So yes, it could come in a little lighter. A Bombora can be built under 25lbs. Also the Kona Libre which is similarish comes in under 25lbs.
@@PathLessPedaledTV What sort of weight limit would you estimate for touring with the bombora? Considering building one up- but would like to use it for some longish touring- but in places like the US, UK and France, not Africa. I feel like the Bombora can do it. Have any thoughts on that?
Yetsuh Frank I personally would keep it below 35-40lbs
@@PathLessPedaledTV Thanks. Are you still doing those consulting sessions helping people select a bike?
@@yetsuhfrank Yes! pathlesspedaled.bigcartel.com/category/consultation
Thanks Russ. I have the Tiagra version with 650b's on order. I am a big All City fan.
Thanks Russ - might be the perfect pony for my cruising and loitering habit. S.O.
How about the new gorilla monsoon? Love the content!
Great Review, thank you!! I have a space horse, the 2nd gen with discs and love it. Good all around bike, I think your review was spot on.
Drooling... I want that Dusty Rose!
love the video, is there a chance of seeing a review for the updated Gorilla Monsoon?
Nice video Russ keep them coming bro .
What's your recommendation for a sub-$1,000 gravel bike that comes with 650b wheels?
Marin Nicasio Plus
Thanks to you videos ive just started ordering parts for my new gravel bike and its totaled to be $5346 AUD in just the main parts. The frame hasn't even been made yet but thats a further $2,200. I ordered parts because I got sucked in everything was '1' remaining :) But... I understand this channel is for budget but functional builds and yes, my bike was going to start off being a budget build other than the frame but the budget was to be $3000 aud for a custom carbon gravel bike, but trouble hit. My idea of putting my spare GX sram eagle on the bike and reusing all spare parts was completely ruined, I though new mechanical sram force was 12 speed... even if it was it wont shift a eagle derailleur. I looked into GRX but the gear ratios are not right for me.
So final build, full sram force 1x with dropper post with power meter crankset with 36T ring. I needed a 50T cassette that wasn't microspline but 11 speed. So im putting a Garbaruk 50t 11spd cassette on pair of zipp carbon wheels with XD driver body. Sram rival derailleur with eagle cage. Yep thats it... not much to the build but it cost me HARD buying everything individually and lots from USA with $30 shipping and huge import taxes. So hard to find SRAM here in Australia but shimano ultegra would have been half the price.
You blew your $3k budget by $4,546? haha. You have less money but a rad bike. I bet you haven't lost a wink of sleep in regret.
Nice review. Can you also do one for all city super professional?
How would this compare to a Salsa Vaya, for fun and for comfort in a steel frame, versatile, pavement/fire roads type bike?
Can you make a video about upgrading/turning a road bike into gravel/adventure bike?
*SUBBED*
I miss my old horse, bummed about the small cassette, which was my biggest complaint about the old bike and one of the reasons I sold it, in addition to loving disc brakes. Do you know how big of a cassette you can go on the stock derailler/shifter setup?
Atleast 36. Possibly 40.
Path Less Pedaled Thanks, Thats good news at least. Cassette swap and it’s ready to go for steep grades! Digging the crank though, makes a lot of sense to with that range. Not too weird / sketchy shifting from 46 down to 30? That seems like a big jump.
This one is a beauty! I love the colors, but I would also like to see a brown/cream color scheme on this one.
Timely review! Are you doing one on the new Gorilla Monsoon too?
Just picked up one ☝🏽
Like I always say, "steel is real."
Thank you sir, great review
Love that color!
Is geo chart available?
Yes
Hey Russ. I want to upgrade to supple tires. You got a video about dat?
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Path Less Pedaled you’re the man, thanks!
I was scouring your channel
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Path Less Pedaled I just took my first ride with the new tires. They roll great! Thanks
Does the geometry on this frame suggest to size down or up? I feel like a tweener
Impossible to answer. Depends on your body dimensions and how you like to ride.
Thanks Russ!
Stick a couple of racks on the back and front and it'll be a great tourer :)
What shirt are you wearing?
I loved both of my all city bikes until I rode my Salsa just my opinion but they have different fit and feel and you either love or hate them.
Looking for a rando unit. Sounds close.
Love your channel, great content. I'm considering the Trek 520 Grando. Any thoughts, or plans to review? Thanks
I have a Diamant 135 which is the German version. It's an incredible bike and can handle 29er tires too. It handles load very well. The racks are super stiff and have handled an insane amount of abuse from my riding. The bike is also a lot of fun to ride unloaded. It handles single track well, if you're into the rigid life.
driventomadness117 awesome! Thanks for the info. I just found out they won’t be shipping until March 2021. I may wait it out
@@TheRickurb it will be worth the wait! You might have an easier time finding a frame and building it up, but the color on the Grando just looks awesome.
driventomadness117 that’s an interesting idea. I’ll look into that. Cheers!
And I agree on the color.
Was looking at these a while back and found an old vid of someone apparently suing All City due to frame failure causing injury - anyone know if that was real, what happened after etc? It looked old so one would assume if there were fault, which there might not have been, the it'd be resolved by now.
Just curious as so many of the All City bikes look fantastic and so tempting.
Real. Frame failures are not uncommon for any brand though. I think the reason that All City was sued was because they didn't own up to covering the victims bills. FWIW I just toured my 2020 Space Horse 210 miles the length of New Jersey with no problems.
@@djlesinski7978 thanks for the reply. Like you say I'd imagine quite a few frame, and component for that matter, manufacturers have had issues at one point or another. One cas in thousands, especially on an older model, is not too concerning I guess.
@@thebrowns5337 it was a brand new bike that it happened on. How they handled the case stopped me from buying one - there's no excuse for fork failure.
Google this for the story: "Man says bicycle fell apart while riding it, suing manufacturer"
@@driventomadness117 Damn, that video report needs a trigger warning, his nose got torn off.
Gotta quibble a bit with one of your suggested uses: it's precisely because the bike has such nice looks that make it a horrible choice for commuting. Personally, I want my commuter bike to look like the cheapest piece of beat up trash locked at the bike rack.
Cool bike thanks 😊!!
Thoughts between this versus the midnight special?
MS is quicker all around.
And more twitchy
Hi Russ, long-time viewer, first-time commenter. I'm thinking about picking up a Space Horse to break into rando brevets. Currently have an '84 Schwinn Voyageur which is an excellent bike but leaves something to be desired re: modern spec (narrow tires, cantis, a bit too big for me). Do you think the Space Horse would be well-suited to true rando riding? Thanks!
Outside of not being low trail, which I don't think is a deal breaker I don't see why not. It is plenty comfortable and can take a front rack. There is also a fair amount of weight that can be shed in the wheels and components if you wanted to make it a little lighter.
New gorilla monsoon next?
Gorila monsoon grx version please
Reminds me of a 1986 Miyata 1000 & 610. Nice :)
Nice review.
Shirt looks good! What is it?
i love my canti space horse
DID you sell your old one?
Yes
She is a beauty!
Space Colour... 🤭! Venus 🤩 Thanks
Change out the 11/32 for a 11/40. If this is a GRX 600 2!x rd then it can handle the extra cogs. Not sure why the 11/32 is spec’d
Wish my 2018 , didn't come with th impractical compact 50/34. 46/30 like on this video makes way more since for touring
I love that color. I don't need the bike, but it's almost worth $2100 just for the aesthetics.
This looks like a great bike, especially for the money. But that atrocious color is a deal breaker for me. Normally the color isn't really a factor for me, but I just can't do this one.
They had a blue one at the same time ad this. Typically have 2 colors recently
@@michaelviglianco6121 That was a different build spec. The blue one had a Tiagra drivetrain, not GRX like the one in this video.
@@thisishowiedewitt76 True. I'm typically just looking at frames so will swap stuff over or get the best deal and sell off the parts I don't want. But that makes sense for what most are looking for. Didn't think about it that way
Dropping the sliding rear dropouts is a massive disappointment.
11X40 will fit on back no problem.
40-11 =29. 29+16=45. Vs a total rd capacity of 30.
Lost me at 26.8 pounds... my full suspension Intense Primer 29er carbon weighs 27.7 pounds WITH PEDALS. Great review as always! Thanks!
Ever since that All City fork fell apart nearly killing a guy, I just can't do all city anymore. They denied all responsibility and wouldn't even cover his medical expenses.
Well then I hope you also swore off Salsa and Surly because all three are QBP bikes--they fabricate the frames and forks. To be honest, though, it was a freak break. It happens with many manufacturers.
@@ianlaughlin9281 Ian, their product failed freak accident or not. If they stood behind their product they would have done something to help - replacing the bike would have been a good start.
@@driventomadness117 If they were truly at fault, then yes. The issue is that there's no way to corroborate the rider's claims that there was no previous accident or damage that contributed to the breakage. I've seen pictures of the top tube and it seems consistent with damage--not weld failure.
Weight in Kg, please? Hahaha when you say it in pounds it literaly means nothing to me lol
There’s this site google.com...
Russ will give you the weight in Jin first....
Divide pounds by 2.2
Love your channel and posts but this one is not one of your better offerings. You reviewed it like it was up against every bike category instead of reviewing it for what the bike was made for and what ,in fact, it does.
Thanks for yet another great review. Please don't forget the people outside the US and state or subtitle weight in more useful units (like GIN ;) )
Same crappy geometry for tall people, same as everyone else. I am constantly surprised how moronic bike-frame makers are in this matter.
Who is this bike for? Easy question. It's for the person that owns a tow truck. That would make a bike touring trip doable/perfect! This bike maker should be sent to the shaming circle where they chant MORE GEARS until they pass out.