Correction: Arle and Mualani are closer than I talked about here. I’d move Mualani to just the bottom of T0 ahead of nahida due to inconsistency. Maybe arle moves up right beside her. NEW GIVAWAY STARTING NOW! Comment on the Updated Tier List Article to be entered for FREE Chasca OR whatever the other 5 Stars are in the next update! www.tacter.com/genshin/guides/51-tier-list-update-for-genshin-impact-natlan-eb2416a5. The winner for the previous givaway is "lastk1" Congratulations! Contact me on discord or email with account proof to claim your prize. You should also receive an email, and there will be a community post as well. Givaway Rules: Subscribe on UA-cam, follow me on Tacter, and Comment ONCE on any article posted on October 12th or LATER. It's FREE to do so. One lucky winner will get a FREE CHASCA or the 5 star running alongside her, minimum a FULL PACK OF $100 CRYSTLAS or as many as it takes! You can comment on each article and get an entry into a random draw for each one~ multiple comments on the same article won’t be counted. Comment once on each article for max entries! You do NOT need to be live on stream while I do the giveaway to win, commenting is enough. To announce the winner, it will 1) be on stream 2) reply to a comment also 3) in a community post, and 4) if I can will send an email if the user has it hooked up to their comment.
Arlechino not in t0 is crazy My both nuve and arlechino are top 1% my nuve does 80-100k per tick with team(with furina) While arlechino does 250k -300k per hits but it reduces to 150k-200k after 3 hits (note: I played mulani I don't think she even compares to arlechino or nuve in meta)
I love your videos, but for the love of God that is all good in the world, please sink your audio to your mouth...Its a bunch of your videos that have the same issue. please. Love you brother. Keep up the great content, just fix the sink
@@ussxrequin did you not hear her responding to him? im pretty sure thats his daughter. i could be wrong but i thought i heard her in another video say “daddy” so 😂
zajef constantly overrating xingqiu vs. jello constantly underrating xingqiu is a universal constant that would throw the entire universe into chaos should balance be disturbed. edit: just making it clear that i love both of these creators cuz some of y'all are real pressed in the replies 😶
He is already in T1 and that is perfect for a really good 4 star who is becoming less and less a best in slot for different teams. Fischl should be T0 too, but besides quicken (maybe overload too) teams she doesn't synergise with many other ones. Similarly, why would you use Xingqiu when you can just pull Yelan or Furina? New players may not even have him mind you, this is what Zajef constantly forgets and why always overrates him :D
I've been a Yanfei main for a year now and I have accumulated the Furina/Yelan/Bennet team and my Yanfei consistently does ~100k per vape. The common consensus is that she is an "ok" unit or "not that great", but I play her regardless cause I like her so It was quite a pleasant surprise to hear your take.
no, the common consensus are filled with people who tried her playstyle, didn't like it and who moved on without realizing the type of damage she did. I recognized her for what she was when i was prefarming for hu tao. i used yanfei as a hu tao analogue and built yanfei with basically the stuff i needed for hu tao. while i had ER issues because hu tao doesn't really need er, yanfei was just a titan in a proper vape team and i couldn't believe the "general consensus" that rated her like a lower mid tier 4*. When Ga'ming came out i was like "um guys... you do know yanfei does like the same dps as vape ga'ming right?" and as i said. the meta chasers who dismissed her for her admittedly unfun playstyle couldn't believe what i was saying. No... seriously. yanfei and ga'ming are remarkably similar in dps. i'm glad jellow is starting to realize it. now we gotta wake him up to the fact that Navia and Xilonen are doing almost identical damage to Mualani without all the akwardness as mualani... cause while i get his love for her, I'm kicking out basically the same dps with a basic navia, bennett, furina and xilonen team as i was with mualani, candice, xiangling, and xilonen
Exactly ! playing Xilonen makes you notice more the downsides of Anemo supports like Kazuha and Sucrose like their lower buff duration and the problem of VV in multiwaves And she's healer and can enable Furina on top of that !
Xilonen isn't even a buff to neuvellite especially at C0 , zhongli E is faster to get than xilonen E and burst , also his res shred lasts longer and he have amazing shield not getting interrupted every sec , zhongli > 10% dmg increase
@kingdoom5022 ur coping all u need to do is xilonen skill and you'd get 36% res shred and 40% dmg bonus. The only thing she lacks is the shield which is a big downside but if they aren't aggressive enemies she's just better by miles
@@kingdoom5022 Lmao a better multi wave shred not being a buff to Neuvillette who excels at multi wave AoE. Also Zhongli E being faster is a null point if you also need to get a crystalized shard to get petra's dmg bonus. This copium is a sign to pull for her bro, trust me lol.
I am so sorry Jello, this isn't something related to the content but to the editing of the video. I often feel like your audio sync is kinda off for several vids now. It may just be me or not but it's kinda worth checking.
Ye it's a bit distracting. I think there are tools to off set the audio to match the visuals (in the recording part. obviously you could edit it manually)
Yeah it’s been like this for quite a long time which is quite unprofessional in a way tbh. Like it’s your profession, shouldn’t you put more effort into it? Not trying to be rude but I’ve said it in a video before and he responded saying he would fix it or something along that line, others have stated in many other videos too. Guess it doesn’t matter to him tho.
I just dont buy Keqing and Tighnari not being T1.5 Tighnari got me a 35 seconds PMC clear yeasterday for example. And they both perform better than many of the 1.5 ones in the list... Keqing also work very well with Xilonen...
@@Tnscla Tighnari Fischl Raiden Nahida with prototype amber. Will be getting Nahida c-2 and Chaskas bow. If ororon or Iansan works with Tighnari I will replace raiden for the new set. Tighnari is C-1
I still feel like the Tighnari placement feels a bit criminal, he's so good and now you can get cons for free. He gets soooo much from cons compared to the other standard 5* (except Dehya)
Yep, he often making stupid takes just of bias. C0R1 Tignari equal to C0R1 Alhaitam, there is a lot of videos, where they have same clear time in Abyss.
Furina, Kazuha and Xilonen are the best support as of today. It would be crazy if if all of them could go into the same team. Maybe they could make any char as good as the best DPS, Neuvillette. Of course, for balance reasons, Neuvillette cant use ANY of these OP supporters. RIGHT???
Honestly I still believe yae miko is rated too harshly when compared to the other characters in her tier. I think the tier 1.5 is reasonable, but say that she is one of the more underperforming characters in tier is a bit much when saying that noelle is better than her (and this is coming from a geo stan too).
@@danielbu8831 Noelle is 100% better than her , Noelle furina yelan xilonen is a cracked team that's so comfy to play , Noelle C6 is literally xiao and itto level lol
Imo, Yae beats fischl in everything but aggravate, and a lot of the characters she’s paired with have increasingly fit with Yae’s field time. For overload, yae fits around Lyney/ Clorinde’s downtime/ arleccino’s field time flexibility since her infusion stays between rotations; and for pyro carries yae is one of the best for applying Chev’s overload res shred to enemies in AoE, not to mention her better personal damage better suits overload than fischl’s need for reaction damage. For spread, she doesn’t lose damage like fischl proccing A4 a lot less, alhaitham has different length combos and tignari’s rotation perfectly fits Yae’s whilst she balances his lack of AoE. For quick/hyperbloom, Yae’s wide normal attacks, AoE burst and turrets targeting enemies all over the place means she can consistently hit cores whilst aggravating, more so if used with Xianyun plunges as a catalyst so her plunges always apply AoE electro. Mono electro is weak now but she was pretty much built for burst synergy with raiden. We have ororon coming for electro-charged so yae won’t be best there but they’d be a great duo for hydro carries with her damage being more AoE oriented like the reaction and having the EM scaling passive. Then there’s her flexibility to main dps on field or stay off which is perfect for Imaginarium Theatre. She’s not strictly the best anywhere except arguably pyro main overload but for years she has been seen as a less flexible fischl due to how quick fischl can drop oz and rotate but almost everyone you’d want Yae with can fit her in their rotation, at most extending a rotation by a second or two in the less compatible teams. And thanks to her damage split being more even between personal and reactions, she’s can provide more sub-dps to non-dendro teams. The only other place I think fischl fits better is neuvillette teams, since he doesn’t care how many enemies are hit with electro, and despite being able to swap out/in mid-rotation and pick up where he left off, Yae’s field time would compete with his where he just can do more. But Neuv has so many options, he’s rarely using Fischl either. I’d argue a c6 fischl and a Yae is pretty much bang equal in value nowadays, and I can’t believe so many creators are dropping Yae down lists whilst fischl often is multiple tiers ahead. And I know Jello doesn’t consider cons, but for low spenders/ Dolphins etc. Yae gets even more new synergies, like being one of the electros who loves Xilonen’s c2, whereas Fischl wants to burst at the same time as usual for Oz uptime and whilst the energy is nice, fischl is already a battery and appreciates it less than Yae. Typed a bit too much there but thought I might as well be detailed in what I’ve found over the years once I got going. I’m not even a Yae main, but I do like using her with my Arle/ Nahida/ Tigh, etc. 😅
Lets go: T0 - 1. Mualani T1- 2. Arle and Bennett 4. Xilonen 5. Neuvi 6. Kazuha 7. Furina T2- From here it is open for discussion, but not with me, notifications off i can already see the cry-tsunami down below.
the only thing that i disagree on this list is that mualani is "easily the second best dps in the game" tbh as a player who has both mualani and arlecchino i feel like mualani is slightly better than arlecchino in single target and thats all because mualani has a pyro applicator issues (hope muavuika fixes this). but overall i'd still say that arlecchino is the second best in the game. also alot of people do think that mualani is better but thats only because the abyss was insanely buffing natlan characters. you can clearly see the difference in the current abyss with mualani compared to the last abyss who just ended. overall id say 1. neuvelette 2. arlecchino 3. mualani (mualani prob gonna surpass arlecchino with mavuika's realse)
Arle dmg is not consistent as it decreases with bond of life, she is a lil bit complex too, mualani on the other hand is having the greatest dps if we do the maths, so mualani is clearly better than arle in single Target and aoe both...for neuvi, again mualani is better in single target and neuvi in AOE overall the difference is very close and with mavuika release she would surpass neuvi as well in AOE too Edit - u dont need to buy my opinion as i didn't..
@@Osman_Khan_003 it could be but I'm talking about mualani and arlecchino. mualani has better single target DMG but... that's pretty much it. yeah I get the fact that arlecchino's DMG can be inconsistent due to the fact that her DMG decreases every NA but it isn't of a big problem isnt it? I mean both mualani and arlecchino are insanely good in single target while for AOE.. well imo arlecchino Is Better in this case simply because mualani sometimes feels clunky to play in multiwaves and her biggest issue in AoE is that her shark bites can miss which makes her lose a lot of value as an overall dps. thats why I still think that arlecchino holds the tittle of the second best dps in the game
@@Mc_neuvileTTTTTTTTTTTTe as for the current version, the devs improved this problem of mualani skill, now she don't miss, but i can agree on the burst, it can be a very awkward moment to witness a tanky burst missile missing its target...but it also is not a problem if one knows enemies play style well, isn't?
@@Osman_Khan_003 I guess I have skill issues then cuz mine still misses😭🙏🏻 anyways back to discussion my point is that all tho xilonen is an insane buffer for mualani in my eyes arlecchino Just feels so much easier to play her DMG is just insane for a NA scaler. untill mavuika comes out for me arlecchino is still the second best dps in the game but has a high chance to change in the future. (also I've seen those chasca videos and she seems to be kinda broken of a dps)
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I'm so glad you pushed Emilie up there. People definetly don't understand how much damage she can truly do. Love her as a character and shes crazy strong.
I’m scared of Emilie because I already die enough to Alhaitham burning himself to death, if I had Emilie in the team I have a sneaking suspicion that despite the big decrease to self burning damage that I would still end up killing myself.
Emily without her weapon is honestly very mid. Emily is never BIS in any optimal team including kinich. Characters like furina are just so much better. Emilys damage also isn't very extraordinary, it's only 123% of chioris damage with two contructs and nobody plays chiori.
@@AlwaysThirstysnobody plays chiori because it takes C1 or playing another construct character(none of them are good) to do damage. not because the damage she does once her conditions are fulfilled is bad. 123% of chioris 2 construct damage is a lot of damage especially when her only restriction is that there’s pyro somewhere on the team or enemies
@@chidiamaefule2843Correct, I guess, but why pull two copies of a unit who isn’t the logical choice in many teams, so you’d play her if you like her. Unless you love everything Geo and or her, there is no reason I can think of to go for her (twice).
Its hard to follow your reasoning sometimes, which I feel like that comes down to your own personal bias's affecting placements. As someone who owns mualani, she is incredibly strong and yes has a high ceiling, but her margin for error is far more punishing that neuv or arle. Also as you mentioned, clorinde's performance is so variable depending whether you have her R1 or C6 Chev.... that her placement also feels weird
He only focuses on her overload team forgets that Clorinde has other strong teams! Clorinde Quickbloom with Furina, Prototype Nahida , Fischl is an insanely strong team forgot that Clorinde has other strong teams! Clorinde Quickbloom with Furina, Prototype Nahida , Fischl is an insanely strong team
I think we kind of have to accept that the placement of characters on a tier list always comes with strings. They’re all dependent on certain factors like teammates or weapons and Jello tries to be mindful of them all. He has his personal biases but these are all pretty fair placements. Also keep in mind that this is based on his experience with them. I have similar problems with Mualani missing nukes, but I’ve gotta acknowledge that part of that is because I’m not as dedicated in learning her rotations for clearing. It’s mainly a skill issue.
personally i think mualani is below arlechino, mualani is still restricted right now due to xiangling, which needs 250% ER at least meanwhile you can’t take advantage of her sub dps. I hope that mavuika provides amazing sub dps and enough pyro application to overide furinas hydro application, i say this because i want to use mavuika, furina, and xilonen in mualanis team so mualani can profit of furinas sub dps, damage bonus, and hydro resonance and additional EM with nilous BIS weapon
I feel like Tignari should go to tier 1.5 at least. He's although single target but now the abyss is very single targeted focused. I literally cleared floor 12 PMA in 1:20 with TignariC1 FichslC0 Kirara Kuki
4:15 facts as hell. Neuv is the peak casual dps. He will never do less than enough. Ever. Absolutely impossible to mess up. He definitely won't be at the top in terms of clear time but he doesn't have to be at the top of clear times to be the best for the 90% of the players that don't care about speedrunning.
@@marcusvinicius917 and somehow it will still work 💀 only neuv can do that tbh. Neuv said he doesnt need the damage ceiling. His floor will be high enough
@@james-bx4wr not sure about that, if their brains can manage to use atk sands into neuvi, do you really think that their account even works? Spoiler: they can't lmao, 15k CA Neuvillete are often common
This was a very well thought out video. Even if I don't agree with all of the final placings, I do agree with the points you made when moving characters.
Some placements just make no sense at all. Gorou being one entire tier under Itto and Chiori?! Clorinde over Raiden? Venti in T2 under Klee and Dehya of all things? Wtf? You undersell particle generation, grouping and versatility too much.
@@saruoima do you have any link for proof or discussions about it? Everything I found about it was "those are unrealist for ER requirements" but I would like to read more
did you watch the video with sound off? jello state that those T1 characters where all at same lvl but aside of that clorinde would still be better than raiden imo. gorou have no use in any team, even mono geo doesnt use him anymore. venti have no use at all for 90+ patchs
Venti does grouping when? I can't remember the last time venti even pulled the enemies properly, not to mention he needs ult just to do simple grouping which doesn't even work
Would love to see CCs all put wanderer and faruzhan both in dumpster tier just on principle.Hoyo: dont implement any pity system for c6ing four stars but gate a 5 star's power behind that. Just scummy
Kokomi can be really good for hyperbloom teams. Specifically, Kokomi, Nahida, Miko, and Raiden. This is the hyperbloom team I use and while I really need to fix their builds for EM, it's a team that works really well
Mualani over Arle just seems like a shiny new toy scenario. Arle is ten times more versatile. And she's buttery smooth to play. I have seen Mualani burst miss a hundred times since her release and I don't even have her. And pyro archon release won't magically fix her. She'll always be a forward vape single target specialist.
Ten times more versatile is crazy, Mualani wants Xiangling and two flex options, these could be so many different characters, ideally you use Xilonen to solve her multi wave, and then you can use Sucrose, Kazuha, Zhongli, Candace, Mona, Emilie, Nahida etc. You could go Furina, Xiangling, Baizhu, you could go Xiangling, Zhongli, Chiori. In pure Single Target even Xiangling can be replaced. She’s also versatile in terms of content she can be played in, whether it’s single target, multi target, multi wave. Mualani doesn’t lack versatility whatsoever. Arlecchino feels easier to play but a good Mualani player will clear faster. Mualani has higher damage across the board, whether it’s at C0R0, C0R1, C2R1
@@justawalter9752 mualani is just less versatile, she's tied to xiangling, if you play her outside vape teams she just doesnt perform that well, you can play arle in vape with xq, mona, yelan or candace, you can also play her on mono pyro, hypercarry and overload and she performs really well, so yes, she is more versatile
@@justawalter9752 those two options really don't change much though. Do they? You're still stuck doing forward vape for the rest of your life. Meanwhile Arle can do vape, mono pyro, overload, burn with Emilie and melt. In terms of teammates she's actually more finicky than Mualani. Because she really needs Bennett. But outside him, she's more flexible.
@@SogandShams What is the point of having a ton of archetypes? Her being tied to forward vape doesn’t change anything that she is incredibly flexible in terms of team mates. Sure Arlecchino has a lot of archetypes but how does that make her more flexible if Mualanis forward vape team that already covers everything you need whether it’s multi wave, multi target, single target. If you want grouping use Kazuha, if you want multi wave use Xilonen, if you want a shield use Zhongli etc. she can adapt easily to any situation by having so many different team mates available. I could also make the argument that Arlecchino is tied to Bennett, calc wise almost every non-Bennett team is about 20k damage per second worse than her Bennett teams which is a massive downgrade. Mualani can at least switch to Dehya or Thoma in single target like in this abysses second half, Arlecchino hardly can replace Bennett
@@pablogarciacelada4751 Same thing I replied to @SogandShams . what’s the point of many different archetypes? The point that Mualani has a ton of available team mates and can adapt effortlessly doesn’t change.
Ugh, your Nahida points as well as what I'm hearing from Juice and HGC's videos are making me scared for my favorite element! I know it's probably not going to end up like Cryo is or Geo was, but I still can't help but notice that it's now actually starting to fall a bit behind newer teams instead of being the standard or a side grade like it still was in Fontaine. Hopefully we can still get some updates to the non-burning Dendro teams soon, as it would be a shame if such a dominant team core became forgotten and left behind if these other niche teams and units are kind of getting revived with new artifacts and characters;
Good to see someone finally giving Emilie some proper flowers. I use her with my Arlecchino team and her damage is nuclear for how easy it is to set up and keep up. I got her as an afterthought but after actually building her and using her I was very surprised by how much consistent damage she adds. Also she's so comfortable to play.
I feel like you are overating mualani. She looks great on these speedruns clears which require perfect excecution and a lot of retries, but in reality she least consistent amongst other top dps. On top of that last spiral abyss had huge 80% dmg increase for natlan characters. She is strong no doubt, but i dont see her being better then arlecino.
@@nagorner3791 As I said, she is probably the best character for speedruns, but how many people care about speedruning? I assume not many. For regular players neuvilete and arlecino will be better than mualani. They are much consistent and less clunky.
@@jart372 Yeah, but Mualani is up there for being the strongest. She isn't the most consistent or easy to use, but she has the highest reward for her gameplay. How much you value each quality is up to you. I think the character with the highest highs deserves to be at the top.
@@nagorner3791in that case lyney also should be t0 as he has one of the highest highs in the game,but it’s not about that tho for both of them,mualani is top 3 no doubt but there are things neuv and arle do better than her and the opposite is true,depends on the player in question
This tier list update is spot-on! Seeing some of my favorite characters in T0 and T1 makes me excited to keep investing in them, especially with all the recent Natlan changes. And I love how you broke down each tier so we can see where everyone stands. This will really help me decide where to focus my resources! Thanks, Jello Impact, for the detailed breakdown and for always keeping us updated.
Xilonen doesn't do anything in anemo and dendro teams (unless you have her sig weapon), Furina buffs ALL elements including physical damage. Kinich in a pseudo burning team with Furina feels the most impactful (from my testing) especially since burning also helps furina vape all her vaporizable hits. Furina feels really good in anemo DPS teams and who knows she might be again BiS for an upcoming anemo DPS right "GUYS"... Furina just having good unconditional no circle impact off-field damage while also buffing all damage (except for transformative reactions) just makes her overall better than most if not all characters in genshin.
The reason furina is so good was because furina xiangling bennet was already an insane core and since kinich uses both xiangling and bennet furina jsut runs .
@@AlwaysThirstys I don't like Bennet or Xiangling with Kinich. Xiangling forces spinning in one direction which makes Kinich fire less cannon shots. Trying to stay in Bennet's circle is impossible.
The hottest new take has gotta be lowering arlecchino a tier below neuvillette. She out dpses him and comes with a lot of the same comfort, but counters most enemies better because shes pyro (hydro tulpa, thunder manifest, baptist, icewind suite, mountain king, plus the geo ones if you consider her overload teams). She doesnt heal as well but comes with natural damage resistance even at c0. Neuvillette is more comfy for new players for sure but that shouldnt warrant putting him a whole tier higher than arle
Yep agreed, and if ease of use and mainly comfort is coming into play (im like 99% sure it was last tier list) then yeah shes DEFINITELY not up there, neuvilette and mualani are just on another level especially now with xilonen
she still requires you to dodge and play the game with half a brain so that makes her worse. with xilonen and kazuha on neuvilette teams you dont even have to care about most shields. with 76% res shred even if the enemy puts on something like ice armor and boosts there resistances neuvilette with kazuha and xilonen just doesn't care. tulpa is basically the only thing that can stop him.
Going by jstern's calcs, Neuvillette with Xilonen calcs upto 95k dps played optimally. His unoptimized calcs are still above Arle. She is not above him in dmg now, but Mualani sure is.
I have C2 R1 Nuevillete and C2 R1 Kinich. What I've noticed is that both scale well, but Kinich is a much steeper improvement. At C0 and even C1 he feels ok, but at C2 he feels top tier
Thank you for leaving the realest dad moment in there 😂 I'm probably going to regret it but I think I'm skipping Xilo maybe. I mostly play dendro teams, especially now that i have Nahida on one side and Kinich with Emilie on the other.
Ning was my main from just after the game's launch until Inazuma came out, and sadly she's been on the bench ever since. Since mine is also c6, I'm thrilled to hear she's viable again! Would you mind telling us who the rest of your team is besides her and Xilonen?
I appreciate your input on the characters. I do want to say though I think you underestimate grouping. just for an example even though most people wouldn't think to use an anemo character with kinich venti's aoe enables kinich to be consistant in aoe with incredible skill multipliers hitting all the enemies. and the swirls for the pyro do a non zero amount of damage and enable bennet as solo pyro. not only kinich benefits greatly from grouping though. otherwise pretty good takes thanks for the video
i think you’re wrong about baizhu his dendro application is enough for hyperbloom, that can be pretty valuable especially since he keeps up with furina, it can just be an extra source of damage in the right teams.
>Arle gets a new support that works perfectly with her: Demoted >Itto gets a new support that doesn't work with him unless you sacrifice his best support, and he's worse than Noelle in that new team, and he's forced to run favonius: Promoted Jello logic.
Currently at their fullest potential the top 3 dps are Mualani Arle and Neuvi but I don’t think this list is just for dps so I don’t understand why he doesn’t have Arle on T0 with Mualani besides dps Arle provides more by being able to heal herself like Neuvi so if it’s a comfort thing shouldn’t it be Neuvi then Arle ?
I think Chiori should go up a tiny bit instead if down. She got a cinder city buffer with a construct in Kachina an if you got C1 then she can abuse Xilonen instead. Her geo cores got so much better. Also this is kinda stupid but C2 Xilonen is so good with Goro as to justify bumping him up, though maybe not a full tier.
Chiori needs to even go down in the tierlist because all of her pull value was replaced by Kachina which is a free 4 star. Even Navia's best partner is already Xilonen/Kachina.
@@fighterskull c0 mualani cleared 30 seconds this abyss, c2 arle is at 38 seconds lmao. she also gapped arle in 4.8 abyss and obviously 5.0 too you probably have skill issue, sorry
@@PenguinsAreColdishjello tierlists are based on a whole lot of factors as he states alot of characters are as high as they are because of a combination of ease of use team synergies and peak and base damage,nowhere does he mention speed runs as a factor,speed run comparisons are one of the lowest priorities to search for before pulling for a character or deciding their place in the meta,but do you know what isn’t?ease of use and team options,and arle is better than mualani in both,took mualani a whole lot of buffs last abyss to compete with arle and still couldn’t hide the fact that her gameplay is one of the clunkiest in the game,add to that the teams where she’s an arle competition require a very narrow set of characters as opposed to arle that can work with way more characters and make a top team with them,am a mualani main but man does she not feel the same with all them 5.0 buffs
@@enchantingscene5614 all im hearing is cope, the only end game in genshin is timed content, if you actually think any genshin character is hard to play then im sorry for your disabilities
It's been really cool watching you grow as a CC in the Genshin meta space since being here from v1.0 and seeing other creators come and go. I don't typically join these giveaways but you know what, why not this time? Keep up the great work but please be careful about burning out!
I honestly think that Dehya should be much higher now in the tierlist since she’s a really good alternative for Xiangling in Kinich or Mualani teams since her E applies lots of pyro, interruption resistance, damage mitigation, and some buffing. She’s so much easier to build too since she does not need very high ER compared to Xiangling.
100% agreed. Dehya is always underrated, despite the fact that shes becoming more useful as time goes on. I'd say she deserved to be brought up the list ever since Fontaine. She works so well with Lyney and Neuvillette. I absolutely love using Arlechinno with Dehya because of her damage mitigation! With every new DPS character release, Dehya has proven to be a great tanky support character
Love your videos and tier lists. While I usually agree for the most part with the placements, I think Mualani is getting at least a bit overrated here. Her damage might be pretty good, but it lacks consistency (compared to characters like Arlecchino and Neuvillete). Also, might just be personal opinion but to me Mualani feels extremely clunky to play and doesn't do nearly as well against multiple enemies than a single target. I think it'd be justified to put her in T1 but not T0. Don't get me wrong when she works she feels very good and is an amazing character, but I think her weaknesses make her deserving of a spot in T1, not T0. I wouldn't classify her as one of the best units in the game.
but her the damage multiplier is just so high that it fights against her consistency, shes a damage per screenshot which is good in abyss and anywhere makes everything very fast
It's hard for me to rate Mualani lol , sometimes she feels like the most insane DPS in the game , and sometimes she makes me lose my mind when enemies dodge her shark bite or she misses the crit , Xiangling and her annoying high ER requirements can also make the game clunkier , praying that Mavuika will be an upgrade
Use Venti in Imaginarium Theater where you can't guarantee everyone has access to a Fav Weapon and then tell me he's a bad unit. Homedog is only beaten by Raiden Shogun as a battery which is why the average Ayaka holdout still uses him over Kazuha because they can't be asked to go for ~140+% ER on her.
Xilonen being able to shread resistances of multiple elements increases the value of SubDPSs like Fischl and Yae a lot, so wouldnt say they are falling off, all the opposite.
The ultimate truth is mualani is simply better than arle now and yelan is very impactful for so many teams but I agree arle should be T0 but she is definitely at the bottom of it
@@ISMythix Mualani: The scuff queen, misses half her stuff, has very little flexibility, performance tied to some of the best 5star supports in the game or she isnt even functioning, forced to play with xiangling basically, her huge dpr comes from overkilling and being forced to start entire new rotations to kill 1 hp trashmobs cuz she has no sub dps in her team other source of dmg herself= S tier cuz big number dopamine brrr
@@johnnywheaton1234 ye now ur trippin lol her performance is tied to some of the best 5* in the game??? what??? her performance is tied to xiangling, not even a 5* and her best team overall is herself, xiangling, xilonen and the last spot is very flexible arle's best team is herself, bennett, kazuha and xilonen (nobody here is rlly doing dmg but arle), u can also throw zhongli/yelan who will do good personal dmg and there is a lot of flexibility in her team options sure arle can pretty much do it on her own but I honestly don't think that's a great argument, I agree she should be tier 0 but the average person isn't going into abyss with a team-less mualani or arlecchino lol in their best/decent teams mualani is just better
@@ISMythix "The ultimate truth" is Mualani isn't simply better than Arle. I'm sorry someone misinformed you. I'm not here to dunk on her. I like her as well. She is a good character.But Mualani is not better than Arle,I'm sorry. I have no interest in changing your mind.I'm merely stating a fact.
@@cnxlee_69420The fact your are stating is wrong, Mualani is a better DPS than Arlecchino, she does more DMG, but I think that I would pick Arlecchino any time over her for the consistency (Mualani is really clunky to play and her teams have some problems if Mualani doesn't one shot everything) That's why for me Arle should be on T0 too bc like Neuvilette she's very consistent with her DMG
Agree with almost everything but I think Baizhu deserves T1 still. My Raiden Nahida Baizhu Yelan team is so brain dead unga bunga that I can’t go back from using it on whichever abyss side is immune to Neuv.
Before I pulled for Xilonen, I slapped the Instructor set on Baizhu for my Mualani vape team and the whole team just went unga bunga with healing and off field damage.
@@ABC-yj6cy This team can definitely be played with a hybrid Raiden build. I've done that and it works great. EoSF with some EM to trigger hyperbloom and quicken, on fielding Raiden. Hyperbloom still does like 16k with 200EM + 200EM from Nahida. Used that team in Abyss to 36 star multiple times.
Most of the adjustments you've made were the one's I wanted to discuss about in the comments, you find yourself wondering whether you were valuing mona higher than she should, but as far as what I'm concerned, I would probably even put her one rank above just due to how strong her buff is, even tho it doesn't last as much, due to not requiring it to stack up, it could result in better synergy with those characters who have their dmg mostly front loaded, I find myself going to her more and more often in my c2 raiden teams to leave furina open for the second team. I would argue that Jean should be ranked higher, I've her at c4 but her c2 is what makes characters like klee feel more reactive to play (besides making klee prock her a2 more often), and works really well in kleerina teams (also kills the 5+M hp capibara in 1 minute alone). Speaking of which I've played xiao and wonderer extensively, and from my experience playing klee, i find myself getting better times consistently with her, even while owning c6 faruzan, cloud retainer and c4 jean. Even my noelle performs better in furina teams with maracchusse hunter that the both of them (maybe do to the most cracked artifacts I've being on her like crit dmg circlet with 10.9 crit rate and 29.2 def%) for that reason I would rank down both xiao and wonderer to were noelle stands, valuing their performance almost on par... For klee I'm very conflicted, sometimes i find myself matching or even surpassing raidens times in the abyss, to ensure I wasn't crazy I've timed the time to kill the capybara boss with the both if them, and the times were very similar, which is mind boggling to me... Still, raiden due to said interruption resistance is far more consistent with those times. I would downgrade xingqiu placement all that much, interruption resistance and dmg reduction still comes in handy besides his other perks. Fischl I would probably put her higher for how versitile she is, you can slap her in any team, almost no field time, decent dmg, especially capable of snapshotting buff and take advantage of them even when they expire I would also put dehya higher, I use her in all kinds of situations, when she was released, in spite for the backlash after I found her I challenge myself to use her no matter the situation to see if said claims were remotely true... While everyone was arguing about her dmg i was mainly focussing for her defensive and supportive capability, I found she could make your character survive attacks that would have killed you even with zhongli shield, I found the interruption resistance pretty neat, due to the extent on it, and not being relient on a shield not breaking... Now i use her with navia or kinnick with sumeru's weapon in his case. I would put sara, beidou and lisa higher just because I'm so invested in electro teams especially overload with cheverouse XD, but that's a bit of a stretch. Also collei, but I may be influenced from having elegy, also not the most consistent, especially with those boomerangs throws XD.
I respect your opinion but Mualani above Arlecchino is crazy to me. I do actually think Arlecchino has higher damage and to me feels much easier to play. Mualani feels very cope rn.
Single-target Mualani have more damage. Also Mualani have better AoE so its kinda clear that Mualani is better than Arle. Dont think i underrate Arle since to me its the second best, ive went all docs, icd Control to vaporize N1 N2... but no she isnt better than Mualani.
She IS better than arle in BOTH single target and aoe. Just a little bit behind neuvi. But with introduction of mavuika she can eventually surpass neuvi, or at least be on a par with him.
I mean currently for dps the top 3 is Mualani Arlecchino Neuvillette. Arle should be in T0 if we are pulling Neuvi for dps but if we are talking comfort too then Arle should be above Mualani because of her self sustain like Neuvi
If you have C2 Xilinonen, most electro dps move up the tier list insanely. It's fucking insane how much more bursts I get off with Xilonen. Same goes for Geo DPS too.
Yun Jin is the biggest normal attack buffer in the game thanks to the new DEF polearm. If you have her at C3 and on a full defense build with a lvl. 13 burst, she turns Clorinde into a monster.
demoting arlecchino was blasphemous 😂, personally she still performs better than my neuvilette (both c0), plus my arlechhino team is mono pyro with zhongli and xiangling , both of which were also demoted
There is no abjective tier list to be fair. My Lyney with Kachina and Zhongli performs better than my C0 Neuvilette and by MILES and it counts 2 4-star units, Chiori if you ant to be extra fancy. Neuvilette him being ''a low investment solid DPS'' is such an overstatement, too many 5* units to buff him that keeps you in shortage for your other teams (still can't believe people play both Kazuha and Xilonen on his team).
Ngl man I think you're underrating Arlecchino a bit and overrating Mualani a lot when comparing her to Neuvillette. She feels strong for sure but she's not as close to Neuvillette as you're making her out to be. Neuvillette's damage potential even in single target isn't that much lower than someone like Mualani now over a whole rotation, and that's really the only content she's competitive with him in. On my account my C2R1 Mualani feels worse than my Arlecchino but that's probably account dependent.
Neuvillette’s single target damage isn’t just a little worse than Mualani’s. Mualani significantly gaps him at high levels of investment, just check out how their C1/C2 abyss speedrun times differ. And yes speedrunning isn’t the best metric but it does paint the picture.
@@thepieguyftw Per screenshot yes, per rotation no. Her actual DPR isn't significantly higher than Neuvi's in their best teams if at all. The reason she clears so fast in speedruns is because in situations where things go well, she has extremely high frontloaded damage. Neuvillette's is almost perfectly consistent across his damage window, while Mualani can overperform significantly if she is at the damage breakpoint needed to clear a wave before her damage window is over.
@@AlwaysThirstys Exactly. I didn't even take into account how the Natlan buff is skewing things, but beyond that, you can't just assume that a character is flat out better because extreme frontload allows them to speedrun well.
@@pankace3296 listen bro I too have a c1r1 mualani idk how your mualani is built but mine is better in EVERY situation and you have a c2r1 so you'r mualani might not be well built and my nuvi is also hyper invested in so idk it might be and I don't mean any offence but it might be a skill problem
Love Navia and Mualani. I've been having so much fun playing both. I need to save more for Xilonen, though. I hope to get enough after losing to a Qiqi pull. haha
I think Jello forgot that the last abyss gives Mualani 80% dmg and now he thinks she’s way better. It’s fine if he still thinks she’s better but the damage difference isn’t really high to demote Arlecchino. i think Jello is kinda overrating Mualani and forgot that the last abyss gave Mualani more damage. Mualani’s dmg ceiling isn’t that far above anyone else, Hu tao is really close to Mualani and Neuvillette damage wise yet he hasn’t promoted her enough imo.
Sometimes a rotation just doesn't line up exactly right. Sometimes you just need to squeeze out a bit more damage, need a bit more energy, you have to wait for cooldown, or an enemy dodged or stunned you. Arlecchino... doesn't need to worry about any of that. Her Skill and Burst provide so much flexibility. She will allow any team to have an extended rotation without compromise and craps out damage higher than almost everyone else barring Neuv and Mualani. You're right. She is T0.
@@abukhaliiil1211 uhh u do know that Mualani also pretty much mopped the floor with every other dps in 4.8 abyss too right ? Its not a 5.0 abyss exclusive thing.
@@deltaspecies1697 From what I remember she was very inconsistent in 4.8 because enemies spawned to far away from each other. I do have her and she was hell to use on some of the floors.
@@feederico1011 no it's not skill issue, she is so clunky especially when there are 2 enemies, i feel like her skill just doesen't last neough to get the 3 bite sharks every time
emilie is a character i pulled during the last few days of her banner, just for kinich but turns out a really good unit, im surprised, i thought im gonna regret pulling her lol
i think venti's good just requires more skill to use. often one of the halves over the past year have been venti-able, it's just that some of the mobs on the floor gain interruption resistance after certain animations and attacks so there's a short window for his burst to cc. when it does cc (fontaine's new fatui agent's for example) it makes the floor much much easier
Neuvilette vs. Mualani is like Crit 90/140 vs. 50/260. consistency vs. high numbers. either is eternal gods of damage, you just choose if you want more or less risk/reward
Except it's extremely easy to reach 100% crit rate with Mualani who ascends Crit Rate + Obsidian 40%. Not flaming but the comparison is a bit ironic lol.
14:20 I think Sigewinne's best team now is Furina, Kachina, Chiori, Sigewinne. It's an entirely E.skill based team so energy isn't problematic, Hydro crystalize provides comfy occasional interupt res, Sigewinne is a bow character and can easily trigger Chiori's Seize the Moment buff. Plus with all the damage amps and off-field energy Sigewinne has very lax energy requirements with her burst. Rotations are flexible: Furina E - Q, Kachina E - Q (with Natlan spear), Chiori Q - E - E, Sigewinne E - Q - NA spam. Sigewinne's burst is short so Chiori's tapestry buff won't fall off during it.
Not sure putting Mualani over Arlecchino after Xilonen release when Arle also benefits from her makes much sense. I love them both but Mualani is still behind Arle
@@pablogarciacelada4751 That’s why she’s at the top of t1, but she still falls short in terms of dps in every scenario when comparing Arles best teams to neuvs and mualanis
As someone who doesn’t have Navia, isn’t interested in Mualani’s and Neuvillette’s or any other current “meta” DPSes playstyle and is more interested into cryo characters Xilonen didn’t change anything lol. Sure I could get her for Navia but I don’t even have her yet and since I don’t love Xilonen’s design or character in the story I would rather skip her until I feel like she’s a necessity for a team. None of the teams I currently use gets an upgrade with her and the only Natlan character’s I’m interested is Chasca (who obviously wouldn’t benefit from her since she’s anemo), Citlali and Mavuika who are both going to probably be supports. It’s really interesting to see how most people call this character broken when in fact it doesn’t effect others at all.
@@lolidemon3163I personally wouldn't be shocked if she is. The potential surrounding the nightsoul point system makes for some interesting support concepts.
You have a point every patch new characters are presented then many content creators makes guides about this new characters they overhyped them then all of a sudden a new character but with a really good kit and stuff then the last character on the last patch is already detroned because they overhyped it so much and then people pull for it lol
What did tighnari do to you!? 😂 I got to go watch the old video for that explanation lol. For the most part is agree with all your sentiments. (Even if some of the exact placements are where I would put them.) Yenfei represent!!
Nah....Im gonna disagree with arlecchino I just got a good pieces for arle (finally gonna stop that shit domain) shes doing 100k 120k per hit with just whitessal (I tested on raiden) so think how good she will be aftwr I got her signature or primordial jade spear... she's way more consistent then mualani so she belongs to T0
I love how none of us wants to admit how bad Venti is just because he's the beloved first archon in the game... But let's be real, its a pretty terrible 5 star, we shouldn't be afraid to call it for what it is, we all wish he was changed. People keep adding the caveat of "when he can group he's insane" but even then I disagree, he was insane when he could group in 1.0/2.0 but now not only can he never do that but even if he could he feels power-crept out of existence. But maybe I don't know what I'm saying since I have a pretty mid account.
No you're right , grouping alone is not enough, the game has been focusing more on tanky Bosses and Elites where grouping doesn't do much, and Even in rare abyss rotations where they have multiple AOE chambers in floor 12 you can just brute force content without grouping. Venti needs to provide some strong offensive buffs (like Kazuha and Sucrose) to deserve a spot with top tier characters
Yeah, Venti is "insane" specifically against the enemies that deal the least damage and are the easiest to kill. And against the enemies that matter, you basically have a 3 character team.
Nah, no way you called him the "beloved first archon" in the game💀...he's hated even outside the meta cuz ppl just simplify his personality and works to a simple one word- "alcoholic" lol. But I agree, even when grouping, he can't group many enemies and Kazuha is basically a powercreep for him in overall case (hard to say this as a Venti fan but it is what it is).
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What if we don't have discord
Arlechino not in t0 is crazy
My both nuve and arlechino are top 1% my nuve does 80-100k per tick with team(with furina)
While arlechino does 250k -300k per hits but it reduces to 150k-200k after 3 hits
(note: I played mulani I don't think she even compares to arlechino or nuve in meta)
I love your videos, but for the love of God that is all good in the world, please sink your audio to your mouth...Its a bunch of your videos that have the same issue. please. Love you brother. Keep up the great content, just fix the sink
Trash Tierlists
VIOLET.. aw that’s cute
Based on the way he talks to her, I can't tell if Violet is a cat, or a child.
@@ussxrequinif it was a cat, the cat would come to sit on his lap/desk regardless of being told no.
@@ussxrequin did you not hear her responding to him? im pretty sure thats his daughter. i could be wrong but i thought i heard her in another video say “daddy” so 😂
zajef constantly overrating xingqiu vs. jello constantly underrating xingqiu is a universal constant that would throw the entire universe into chaos should balance be disturbed.
edit: just making it clear that i love both of these creators cuz some of y'all are real pressed in the replies 😶
I think he is not underrating him. I think Jello more realistic about Xingqiu then Zajeff.
An unstoppable force meets an immovable object lmao
I completely agree with @@reactiondavant-garde3391 Zajef thinks of Xingqiu so high bcs he uses only c6 version for so long.
He is already in T1 and that is perfect for a really good 4 star who is becoming less and less a best in slot for different teams.
Fischl should be T0 too, but besides quicken (maybe overload too) teams she doesn't synergise with many other ones.
Similarly, why would you use Xingqiu when you can just pull Yelan or Furina? New players may not even have him mind you, this is what Zajef constantly forgets and why always overrates him :D
Zajef thinks of Xingqiu so high only bcs he used c6 version for so long.
I've been a Yanfei main for a year now and I have accumulated the Furina/Yelan/Bennet team and my Yanfei consistently does ~100k per vape. The common consensus is that she is an "ok" unit or "not that great", but I play her regardless cause I like her so It was quite a pleasant surprise to hear your take.
Could you share your build
Yanfei is very good specially considering she is a 4 star, problem is Pyro is oversaturated with main dps's
no, the common consensus are filled with people who tried her playstyle, didn't like it and who moved on without realizing the type of damage she did.
I recognized her for what she was when i was prefarming for hu tao. i used yanfei as a hu tao analogue and built yanfei with basically the stuff i needed for hu tao. while i had ER issues because hu tao doesn't really need er, yanfei was just a titan in a proper vape team and i couldn't believe the "general consensus" that rated her like a lower mid tier 4*. When Ga'ming came out i was like "um guys... you do know yanfei does like the same dps as vape ga'ming right?" and as i said. the meta chasers who dismissed her for her admittedly unfun playstyle couldn't believe what i was saying.
No... seriously. yanfei and ga'ming are remarkably similar in dps. i'm glad jellow is starting to realize it. now we gotta wake him up to the fact that Navia and Xilonen are doing almost identical damage to Mualani without all the akwardness as mualani... cause while i get his love for her, I'm kicking out basically the same dps with a basic navia, bennett, furina and xilonen team as i was with mualani, candice, xiangling, and xilonen
@@senpaisan7818 I'm not sure if links are allowed, so here:
Yanfei C6
Widsith R5
4-piece Crimson Witch - Atk/Pyro/Crit rate
Crit rate 78.1%
Crit dmg 172%
Edit:
Em 21
ER 109.7%
My wife uses the same team, trying to get her to go for Arleccino upgrade
The fact that her buffs lasts longer than kazuha and still be in effect in multiwave makes her so incredibly smooth to play
Ye long on field characters like yanfei appreciate her
Exactly ! playing Xilonen makes you notice more the downsides of Anemo supports like Kazuha and Sucrose like their lower buff duration and the problem of VV in multiwaves
And she's healer and can enable Furina on top of that !
Kazuha starts counting the buffs from the last ultimate tick, so it's basically the same
@ahmedabdelkader588 that's only for the dmg%, VV shred only works onfield so it's 8s from when kazu swirls before swapping
@@ultoemmz72 works off field too bruv
Everyone's talking about how this will buff neuv but xilonen honestly buffs furina more
Xilonen isn't even a buff to neuvellite especially at C0 , zhongli E is faster to get than xilonen E and burst , also his res shred lasts longer and he have amazing shield not getting interrupted every sec , zhongli > 10% dmg increase
@kingdoom5022 ur coping all u need to do is xilonen skill and you'd get 36% res shred and 40% dmg bonus. The only thing she lacks is the shield which is a big downside but if they aren't aggressive enemies she's just better by miles
Yea literally
with c2 aswell she makes furina sooo strong
@@kingdoom5022 Lmao a better multi wave shred not being a buff to Neuvillette who excels at multi wave AoE. Also Zhongli E being faster is a null point if you also need to get a crystalized shard to get petra's dmg bonus. This copium is a sign to pull for her bro, trust me lol.
I am so sorry Jello, this isn't something related to the content but to the editing of the video. I often feel like your audio sync is kinda off for several vids now. It may just be me or not but it's kinda worth checking.
Ye it's a bit distracting. I think there are tools to off set the audio to match the visuals (in the recording part. obviously you could edit it manually)
AHHH yes. Sometimes I remember to fix it, sometimes I don’t. Have to figure out why OBS does this by default
Yeah it’s been like this for quite a long time which is quite unprofessional in a way tbh. Like it’s your profession, shouldn’t you put more effort into it? Not trying to be rude but I’ve said it in a video before and he responded saying he would fix it or something along that line, others have stated in many other videos too. Guess it doesn’t matter to him tho.
why did you mentioned it, now i cannot unsee it
@@Ranamon9132 sir, this is a wendy's
I just dont buy Keqing and Tighnari not being T1.5
Tighnari got me a 35 seconds PMC clear yeasterday for example.
And they both perform better than many of the 1.5 ones in the list...
Keqing also work very well with Xilonen...
Is your Tighnari at c0?
Just got him not to long ago
As a Tighnari main I agree although I'm sure he's sick of hearing it 😂
What team do you use?
@@Tnscla Tighnari Fischl Raiden Nahida with prototype amber. Will be getting Nahida c-2 and Chaskas bow. If ororon or Iansan works with Tighnari I will replace raiden for the new set. Tighnari is C-1
This
I still feel like the Tighnari placement feels a bit criminal, he's so good and now you can get cons for free. He gets soooo much from cons compared to the other standard 5* (except Dehya)
Yep, he often making stupid takes just of bias. C0R1 Tignari equal to C0R1 Alhaitam, there is a lot of videos, where they have same clear time in Abyss.
yah! just try tighnari spread on the new 12-1 abyss he's awesome now!
@@TheVelRavenlmao that's not even close and just saying that shows everyone u have 0 idea wtf you're talking about.
There is no world where Tighnari and Keqing should be below units like Itto, Ayato, Cyno, and Ayaka
@@TheVelRavennah ik tigh is good but not as good as Alhaitum not even close
5:55 as someone with a 4 year old cousin, I relate to this moment.
I love when content creators don't edit things like that out, it shows that they still have a life to them and not just a souless person on a screen
that was such a cute interaction tbh 🥺💞
Furina, Kazuha and Xilonen are the best support as of today.
It would be crazy if if all of them could go into the same team.
Maybe they could make any char as good as the best DPS, Neuvillette.
Of course, for balance reasons, Neuvillette cant use ANY of these OP supporters.
RIGHT???
Fun fact, NEUVI FURINA KAZUHA AND XILONEN TEAM WORKS TOGETHER easily, easy 100k ticks
hoyo: let's make the best and easiest dps in the game
also hoyo: let's make him work with the absolute 3 best supports in the game LOL
Feel like Bennett is also comes along with those 3 since he's the only atk buffer to their level.
Neuvilette is a joke
@@davidng8870 lol you are a joke
The fact that Xilonen enabled Candace to be that high tier just makes me happy
Mualani did not xilonen
@@madryx6152Arle factors a lot in that too
mualani and arlecchino*
I can see Tighnari being better than atleast 6 characters listed above him in this tierlist
exactly
At least he moved Sigewinne down below Tighnari. That was the most shocking one.
Its crazy how one character can have such a big impact to the meta
With my shiny new c2 Xilonen I was able to take my first ever 4 star Ning out of retirement and easily clear the final floor of the Abyss with her. 🎉
Honestly I still believe yae miko is rated too harshly when compared to the other characters in her tier. I think the tier 1.5 is reasonable, but say that she is one of the more underperforming characters in tier is a bit much when saying that noelle is better than her (and this is coming from a geo stan too).
Nah she sucks
Miko's rating feels like a skill issue honestly.
Agreed,yae's downsides are not as bad as people put them
She's a nice character, the issue is you don't really need 2 fischls i guess
@@danielbu8831
Noelle is 100% better than her , Noelle furina yelan xilonen is a cracked team that's so comfy to play , Noelle C6 is literally xiao and itto level lol
Imo, Yae beats fischl in everything but aggravate, and a lot of the characters she’s paired with have increasingly fit with Yae’s field time. For overload, yae fits around Lyney/ Clorinde’s downtime/ arleccino’s field time flexibility since her infusion stays between rotations; and for pyro carries yae is one of the best for applying Chev’s overload res shred to enemies in AoE, not to mention her better personal damage better suits overload than fischl’s need for reaction damage. For spread, she doesn’t lose damage like fischl proccing A4 a lot less, alhaitham has different length combos and tignari’s rotation perfectly fits Yae’s whilst she balances his lack of AoE. For quick/hyperbloom, Yae’s wide normal attacks, AoE burst and turrets targeting enemies all over the place means she can consistently hit cores whilst aggravating, more so if used with Xianyun plunges as a catalyst so her plunges always apply AoE electro. Mono electro is weak now but she was pretty much built for burst synergy with raiden. We have ororon coming for electro-charged so yae won’t be best there but they’d be a great duo for hydro carries with her damage being more AoE oriented like the reaction and having the EM scaling passive. Then there’s her flexibility to main dps on field or stay off which is perfect for Imaginarium Theatre.
She’s not strictly the best anywhere except arguably pyro main overload but for years she has been seen as a less flexible fischl due to how quick fischl can drop oz and rotate but almost everyone you’d want Yae with can fit her in their rotation, at most extending a rotation by a second or two in the less compatible teams. And thanks to her damage split being more even between personal and reactions, she’s can provide more sub-dps to non-dendro teams.
The only other place I think fischl fits better is neuvillette teams, since he doesn’t care how many enemies are hit with electro, and despite being able to swap out/in mid-rotation and pick up where he left off, Yae’s field time would compete with his where he just can do more. But Neuv has so many options, he’s rarely using Fischl either.
I’d argue a c6 fischl and a Yae is pretty much bang equal in value nowadays, and I can’t believe so many creators are dropping Yae down lists whilst fischl often is multiple tiers ahead. And I know Jello doesn’t consider cons, but for low spenders/ Dolphins etc. Yae gets even more new synergies, like being one of the electros who loves Xilonen’s c2, whereas Fischl wants to burst at the same time as usual for Oz uptime and whilst the energy is nice, fischl is already a battery and appreciates it less than Yae.
Typed a bit too much there but thought I might as well be detailed in what I’ve found over the years once I got going. I’m not even a Yae main, but I do like using her with my Arle/ Nahida/ Tigh, etc. 😅
YES NEUVI IS FINALLY USEFUL🙏🏿🙏🏿
What where have you been for the last year he broke the game when he came out
Finally Neuv can be S++++ tier
@@Kozmo-Kamuycope…
Still weaker than mualani and navia though
Lets go:
T0 -
1. Mualani
T1-
2. Arle and Bennett
4. Xilonen
5. Neuvi
6. Kazuha
7. Furina
T2-
From here it is open for discussion, but not with me, notifications off i can already see the cry-tsunami down below.
I heard they are changing some of the reaction damage values soon so hope that shakes up the tierlist
apparently they are not that good for current characters except for some ec teams. maybe its for future characters.
It will only impact characters that are good in electrocharged maybe some overload stuff too
the only thing that i disagree on this list is that mualani is "easily the second best dps in the game" tbh as a player who has both mualani and arlecchino i feel like mualani is slightly better than arlecchino in single target and thats all because mualani has a pyro applicator issues (hope muavuika fixes this). but overall i'd still say that arlecchino is the second best in the game. also alot of people do think that mualani is better but thats only because the abyss was insanely buffing natlan characters. you can clearly see the difference in the current abyss with mualani compared to the last abyss who just ended. overall id say 1. neuvelette 2. arlecchino 3. mualani (mualani prob gonna surpass arlecchino with mavuika's realse)
Arle dmg is not consistent as it decreases with bond of life, she is a lil bit complex too, mualani on the other hand is having the greatest dps if we do the maths, so mualani is clearly better than arle in single Target and aoe both...for neuvi, again mualani is better in single target and neuvi in AOE overall the difference is very close and with mavuika release she would surpass neuvi as well in AOE too
Edit - u dont need to buy my opinion as i didn't..
@@Osman_Khan_003 it could be but I'm talking about mualani and arlecchino. mualani has better single target DMG but... that's pretty much it. yeah I get the fact that arlecchino's DMG can be inconsistent due to the fact that her DMG decreases every NA but it isn't of a big problem isnt it? I mean both mualani and arlecchino are insanely good in single target while for AOE.. well imo arlecchino Is Better in this case simply because mualani sometimes feels clunky to play in multiwaves and her biggest issue in AoE is that her shark bites can miss which makes her lose a lot of value as an overall dps. thats why I still think that arlecchino holds the tittle of the second best dps in the game
@@Mc_neuvileTTTTTTTTTTTTe as for the current version, the devs improved this problem of mualani skill, now she don't miss, but i can agree on the burst, it can be a very awkward moment to witness a tanky burst missile missing its target...but it also is not a problem if one knows enemies play style well, isn't?
@@Osman_Khan_003 I guess I have skill issues then cuz mine still misses😭🙏🏻 anyways back to discussion my point is that all tho xilonen is an insane buffer for mualani in my eyes arlecchino Just feels so much easier to play her DMG is just insane for a NA scaler. untill mavuika comes out for me arlecchino is still the second best dps in the game but has a high chance to change in the future. (also I've seen those chasca videos and she seems to be kinda broken of a dps)
@@Mc_neuvileTTTTTTTTTTTTe seems like arle is your fav, but yes she is top 3 dps
Hey I really Like your Tier list Videos for soo many reasons now:
1. You are very educational and have a good concept of what your Tiers represent
2. You are Not excessively overexcusing your opinion on certain Units even tho you might get hated for facts
3. Very often you Cover Off meta stuff while having a very accurate feeling about what and how to recommend
4. You finally managed to Hype my ningguang again and In having a blast with her!!!!
Thanks alot for the good content, youre doing a very good Job :)!
I'm so glad you pushed Emilie up there. People definetly don't understand how much damage she can truly do. Love her as a character and shes crazy strong.
I’m scared of Emilie because I already die enough to Alhaitham burning himself to death, if I had Emilie in the team I have a sneaking suspicion that despite the big decrease to self burning damage that I would still end up killing myself.
Emily without her weapon is honestly very mid. Emily is never BIS in any optimal team including kinich. Characters like furina are just so much better.
Emilys damage also isn't very extraordinary, it's only 123% of chioris damage with two contructs and nobody plays chiori.
@@AlwaysThirstysnobody plays chiori because it takes C1 or playing another construct character(none of them are good) to do damage. not because the damage she does once her conditions are fulfilled is bad. 123% of chioris 2 construct damage is a lot of damage especially when her only restriction is that there’s pyro somewhere on the team or enemies
If only she didn’t have Mickey Mouse voice. Would drive me nuts.
@@chidiamaefule2843Correct, I guess, but why pull two copies of a unit who isn’t the logical choice in many teams, so you’d play her if you like her. Unless you love everything Geo and or her, there is no reason I can think of to go for her (twice).
Its hard to follow your reasoning sometimes, which I feel like that comes down to your own personal bias's affecting placements. As someone who owns mualani, she is incredibly strong and yes has a high ceiling, but her margin for error is far more punishing that neuv or arle. Also as you mentioned, clorinde's performance is so variable depending whether you have her R1 or C6 Chev.... that her placement also feels weird
@@regail7143 Yep, he always doing tier lists only on personal bias, and often with very stupid takes
He only focuses on her overload team forgets that Clorinde has other strong teams! Clorinde Quickbloom with Furina, Prototype Nahida , Fischl is an insanely strong team forgot that Clorinde has other strong teams! Clorinde Quickbloom with Furina, Prototype Nahida , Fischl is an insanely strong team
I think we kind of have to accept that the placement of characters on a tier list always comes with strings. They’re all dependent on certain factors like teammates or weapons and Jello tries to be mindful of them all. He has his personal biases but these are all pretty fair placements.
Also keep in mind that this is based on his experience with them. I have similar problems with Mualani missing nukes, but I’ve gotta acknowledge that part of that is because I’m not as dedicated in learning her rotations for clearing. It’s mainly a skill issue.
a tier list will always have bias.
personally i think mualani is below arlechino, mualani is still restricted right now due to xiangling, which needs 250% ER at least meanwhile you can’t take advantage of her sub dps. I hope that mavuika provides amazing sub dps and enough pyro application to overide furinas hydro application, i say this because i want to use mavuika, furina, and xilonen in mualanis team so mualani can profit of furinas sub dps, damage bonus, and hydro resonance and additional EM with nilous BIS weapon
I'm not sure about your take on other characters bro 😭 I still remember when you compared Fischl with Yelan and Furina on your 4* tierlist.
I feel like Tignari should go to tier 1.5 at least. He's although single target but now the abyss is very single targeted focused. I literally cleared floor 12 PMA in 1:20 with TignariC1 FichslC0 Kirara Kuki
I'm so glad you started with Ningguang, I just did a 36* with her last night and I'm over the moon at how playable she is.
Jello ranks above T0 as a dad 👏👏👏
For not letting her in and them using the clip in his video to showcase that he tells,his kids he loves them? Yeah, wow, not all heroes wear capes.
@@leedevee?
@@leedevee Why you so mad bro?
@@leedeveepressed over nothing
4:15 facts as hell. Neuv is the peak casual dps. He will never do less than enough. Ever. Absolutely impossible to mess up. He definitely won't be at the top in terms of clear time but he doesn't have to be at the top of clear times to be the best for the 90% of the players that don't care about speedrunning.
I mess Neuvilette up every single time when he is a trial character in any event
Oh, if you only watched the Neuvillete from my country... They even run atk sands lmao, it's incredible
nuvi’s similar to bennett for me. absolutely top tier unit but kinda boring and silly looking so he’s thrown into the ‘benched forever’ pile 💔
@@marcusvinicius917 and somehow it will still work 💀 only neuv can do that tbh. Neuv said he doesnt need the damage ceiling. His floor will be high enough
@@james-bx4wr not sure about that, if their brains can manage to use atk sands into neuvi, do you really think that their account even works? Spoiler: they can't lmao, 15k CA Neuvillete are often common
This was a very well thought out video. Even if I don't agree with all of the final placings, I do agree with the points you made when moving characters.
Some placements just make no sense at all. Gorou being one entire tier under Itto and Chiori?! Clorinde over Raiden? Venti in T2 under Klee and Dehya of all things? Wtf?
You undersell particle generation, grouping and versatility too much.
ig gorou makes sense. itto was the only good monogeo dps, and now its not even his best team.
@@saruoima do you have any link for proof or discussions about it? Everything I found about it was "those are unrealist for ER requirements" but I would like to read more
@@Antonino902Xilonen needing 2 crystalize elements for supporting means you swap out Gorou, keep Furina, and add another buffer.
did you watch the video with sound off? jello state that those T1 characters where all at same lvl but aside of that clorinde would still be better than raiden imo. gorou have no use in any team, even mono geo doesnt use him anymore. venti have no use at all for 90+ patchs
Venti does grouping when? I can't remember the last time venti even pulled the enemies properly, not to mention he needs ult just to do simple grouping which doesn't even work
Good tier list but honestly I dont se enough reasons to put alrechino on the T1
All the anemo dps and faruzan in t1 is a bit iffy considering the fact they all need faruzan c6 to not be completely moot
Would love to see CCs all put wanderer and faruzhan both in dumpster tier just on principle.Hoyo: dont implement any pity system for c6ing four stars but gate a 5 star's power behind that. Just scummy
if u get lucky though and meet the prerequisites it feels just as good as a neuvilette team but yea it is expensive
Kokomi can be really good for hyperbloom teams. Specifically, Kokomi, Nahida, Miko, and Raiden. This is the hyperbloom team I use and while I really need to fix their builds for EM, it's a team that works really well
Mualani over Arle just seems like a shiny new toy scenario. Arle is ten times more versatile. And she's buttery smooth to play. I have seen Mualani burst miss a hundred times since her release and I don't even have her. And pyro archon release won't magically fix her. She'll always be a forward vape single target specialist.
Ten times more versatile is crazy, Mualani wants Xiangling and two flex options, these could be so many different characters, ideally you use Xilonen to solve her multi wave, and then you can use Sucrose, Kazuha, Zhongli, Candace, Mona, Emilie, Nahida etc. You could go Furina, Xiangling, Baizhu, you could go Xiangling, Zhongli, Chiori. In pure Single Target even Xiangling can be replaced. She’s also versatile in terms of content she can be played in, whether it’s single target, multi target, multi wave. Mualani doesn’t lack versatility whatsoever.
Arlecchino feels easier to play but a good Mualani player will clear faster. Mualani has higher damage across the board, whether it’s at C0R0, C0R1, C2R1
@@justawalter9752 mualani is just less versatile, she's tied to xiangling, if you play her outside vape teams she just doesnt perform that well, you can play arle in vape with xq, mona, yelan or candace, you can also play her on mono pyro, hypercarry and overload and she performs really well, so yes, she is more versatile
@@justawalter9752 those two options really don't change much though. Do they? You're still stuck doing forward vape for the rest of your life. Meanwhile Arle can do vape, mono pyro, overload, burn with Emilie and melt. In terms of teammates she's actually more finicky than Mualani. Because she really needs Bennett. But outside him, she's more flexible.
@@SogandShams What is the point of having a ton of archetypes? Her being tied to forward vape doesn’t change anything that she is incredibly flexible in terms of team mates. Sure Arlecchino has a lot of archetypes but how does that make her more flexible if Mualanis forward vape team that already covers everything you need whether it’s multi wave, multi target, single target. If you want grouping use Kazuha, if you want multi wave use Xilonen, if you want a shield use Zhongli etc. she can adapt easily to any situation by having so many different team mates available. I could also make the argument that Arlecchino is tied to Bennett, calc wise almost every non-Bennett team is about 20k damage per second worse than her Bennett teams which is a massive downgrade. Mualani can at least switch to Dehya or Thoma in single target like in this abysses second half, Arlecchino hardly can replace Bennett
@@pablogarciacelada4751 Same thing I replied to @SogandShams . what’s the point of many different archetypes? The point that Mualani has a ton of available team mates and can adapt effortlessly doesn’t change.
Demoting Arlecchino is crazy man 😭
I think we need more characters like xilonen but specifically designed to help old characters that are left into the dust
Ugh, your Nahida points as well as what I'm hearing from Juice and HGC's videos are making me scared for my favorite element! I know it's probably not going to end up like Cryo is or Geo was, but I still can't help but notice that it's now actually starting to fall a bit behind newer teams instead of being the standard or a side grade like it still was in Fontaine. Hopefully we can still get some updates to the non-burning Dendro teams soon, as it would be a shame if such a dominant team core became forgotten and left behind if these other niche teams and units are kind of getting revived with new artifacts and characters;
dendro is terrible because of nahida, literally anything more than one wave makes it worse than normal teams, especially post xilonen
Good to see someone finally giving Emilie some proper flowers. I use her with my Arlecchino team and her damage is nuclear for how easy it is to set up and keep up. I got her as an afterthought but after actually building her and using her I was very surprised by how much consistent damage she adds. Also she's so comfortable to play.
I feel like you are overating mualani. She looks great on these speedruns clears which require perfect excecution and a lot of retries, but in reality she least consistent amongst other top dps. On top of that last spiral abyss had huge 80% dmg increase for natlan characters. She is strong no doubt, but i dont see her being better then arlecino.
Have you seen 5.1 runs? C0 Widths Mualani doing top side in 30s. She is a clear step above everyone in speedruns.
@@nagorner3791 As I said, she is probably the best character for speedruns, but how many people care about speedruning? I assume not many. For regular players neuvilete and arlecino will be better than mualani. They are much consistent and less clunky.
@@jart372 Yeah, but Mualani is up there for being the strongest. She isn't the most consistent or easy to use, but she has the highest reward for her gameplay.
How much you value each quality is up to you. I think the character with the highest highs deserves to be at the top.
then why is neuvilette the top 1 dps on this list then lol
@@nagorner3791in that case lyney also should be t0 as he has one of the highest highs in the game,but it’s not about that tho for both of them,mualani is top 3 no doubt but there are things neuv and arle do better than her and the opposite is true,depends on the player in question
This tier list update is spot-on! Seeing some of my favorite characters in T0 and T1 makes me excited to keep investing in them, especially with all the recent Natlan changes. And I love how you broke down each tier so we can see where everyone stands. This will really help me decide where to focus my resources! Thanks, Jello Impact, for the detailed breakdown and for always keeping us updated.
My boy kinich will be the king soon, pryo Archen!!
Xilonen doesn't do anything in anemo and dendro teams (unless you have her sig weapon), Furina buffs ALL elements including physical damage. Kinich in a pseudo burning team with Furina feels the most impactful (from my testing) especially since burning also helps furina vape all her vaporizable hits. Furina feels really good in anemo DPS teams and who knows she might be again BiS for an upcoming anemo DPS right "GUYS"... Furina just having good unconditional no circle impact off-field damage while also buffing all damage (except for transformative reactions) just makes her overall better than most if not all characters in genshin.
The reason furina is so good was because furina xiangling bennet was already an insane core and since kinich uses both xiangling and bennet furina jsut runs .
@@AlwaysThirstys I don't like Bennet or Xiangling with Kinich. Xiangling forces spinning in one direction which makes Kinich fire less cannon shots. Trying to stay in Bennet's circle is impossible.
@@ThePenguinsKingit rlly isn't that hard to stay in bennetts circle and his buff lasts 2.5 secs after u leave it anyway
good thing anemo and dendro teams are irrelevant
My navia's skill before getting Xilonen was like 350k max but after getting Xilonen it's like 600k+. That is enough for me to believe she is broken🔥
The hottest new take has gotta be lowering arlecchino a tier below neuvillette. She out dpses him and comes with a lot of the same comfort, but counters most enemies better because shes pyro (hydro tulpa, thunder manifest, baptist, icewind suite, mountain king, plus the geo ones if you consider her overload teams). She doesnt heal as well but comes with natural damage resistance even at c0. Neuvillette is more comfy for new players for sure but that shouldnt warrant putting him a whole tier higher than arle
Hes just better now with xilonen. That set period
Yep agreed, and if ease of use and mainly comfort is coming into play (im like 99% sure it was last tier list) then yeah shes DEFINITELY not up there, neuvilette and mualani are just on another level especially now with xilonen
she still requires you to dodge and play the game with half a brain so that makes her worse. with xilonen and kazuha on neuvilette teams you dont even have to care about most shields. with 76% res shred even if the enemy puts on something like ice armor and boosts there resistances neuvilette with kazuha and xilonen just doesn't care. tulpa is basically the only thing that can stop him.
Going by jstern's calcs, Neuvillette with Xilonen calcs upto 95k dps played optimally. His unoptimized calcs are still above Arle. She is not above him in dmg now, but Mualani sure is.
@@Maria-.-Kimhis clear times aint but ok lol
This video really impacted my genshin
I have C2 R1 Nuevillete and C2 R1 Kinich. What I've noticed is that both scale well, but Kinich is a much steeper improvement. At C0 and even C1 he feels ok, but at C2 he feels top tier
She cute af lol Violet the real sss tier hero
Glad you left that in 😆
I was waiting for this after I got xilonen... thankyou so much
Thank you for leaving the realest dad moment in there 😂
I'm probably going to regret it but I think I'm skipping Xilo maybe. I mostly play dendro teams, especially now that i have Nahida on one side and Kinich with Emilie on the other.
you wont because you need her c2 to make her viable. this AH is lying just like the rest of the youtubers who hype every new 5*character
@@cheesecake4648 lol where did you even got that speculation are you a xilonen hater?
dendro is dead bro, it aint 3.x anymore
@@PenguinsAreColdish lol ok
@@PenguinsAreColdishsaying dendro is dead when they just released two very strong dendro characters has got to be bait
These tier lists help me so much with focusing on my account growth thank you jello :p
8:15 this!! my c6 triple crowned Ning feels SO good to play with Xilonen
i can double that, she's awesome now :)
Ning was my main from just after the game's launch until Inazuma came out, and sadly she's been on the bench ever since. Since mine is also c6, I'm thrilled to hear she's viable again! Would you mind telling us who the rest of your team is besides her and Xilonen?
The best part of the video when you talk to your daughter.
I appreciate your input on the characters. I do want to say though I think you underestimate grouping. just for an example even though most people wouldn't think to use an anemo character with kinich venti's aoe enables kinich to be consistant in aoe with incredible skill multipliers hitting all the enemies. and the swirls for the pyro do a non zero amount of damage and enable bennet as solo pyro. not only kinich benefits greatly from grouping though. otherwise pretty good takes thanks for the video
But you could also use Lynette to taunt enemies together.
i think you’re wrong about baizhu his dendro application is enough for hyperbloom, that can be pretty valuable especially since he keeps up with furina, it can just be an extra source of damage in the right teams.
nevermind, your last thing you said about requiring specific setups, well that definition puts him right where he is lol
such a fantastic healer though, 2 sec field time too
Sigewinne is amazing on Furina, Nahida + flex main dps teams. Clorinde & Noelle are the main two I use in this team.
I really enjoy using Mona with Mualani, even tho I don't have her c1, her burst+hydro resonance+4pice instructor does wonders
Bro did not just put Arlecchino in T1...
he did unfortunately
I was shocked as well ngl
>Arle gets a new support that works perfectly with her: Demoted
>Itto gets a new support that doesn't work with him unless you sacrifice his best support, and he's worse than Noelle in that new team, and he's forced to run favonius: Promoted
Jello logic.
@@danielcarrilho5217 fr though. Justice for Arlecchino xD
Currently at their fullest potential the top 3 dps are Mualani Arle and Neuvi but I don’t think this list is just for dps so I don’t understand why he doesn’t have Arle on T0 with Mualani besides dps Arle provides more by being able to heal herself like Neuvi so if it’s a comfort thing shouldn’t it be Neuvi then Arle ?
Arlecchino getting demoted to T1 is wild.
I think Chiori should go up a tiny bit instead if down. She got a cinder city buffer with a construct in Kachina an if you got C1 then she can abuse Xilonen instead. Her geo cores got so much better.
Also this is kinda stupid but C2 Xilonen is so good with Goro as to justify bumping him up, though maybe not a full tier.
Chiori needs to even go down in the tierlist because all of her pull value was replaced by Kachina which is a free 4 star.
Even Navia's best partner is already Xilonen/Kachina.
This is a C0 list, not a whale list. C1 should not be a consideration, definitely not C2.
At c0 im sorry but chiori gets replaced by xilo in a lot of teams
@@keithcruz8932why the hell are you comparing an off field DPS with a support set bot? They have different roles
@@ISMythixThey don't have the same role, cannot be compared in that sense.
Kachina is a perfect scroll set user, because her skill can proc off field and crystalize multiple elements, and refresh duration
Father belongs in T0
nah, c0 mualani gaps her even at c2 arle
Bs bro got em both at c0 mualani is r1 and father is definitely better even if she is with deathmatch @@PenguinsAreColdish
@@fighterskull c0 mualani cleared 30 seconds this abyss, c2 arle is at 38 seconds lmao. she also gapped arle in 4.8 abyss and obviously 5.0 too
you probably have skill issue, sorry
@@PenguinsAreColdishjello tierlists are based on a whole lot of factors as he states alot of characters are as high as they are because of a combination of ease of use team synergies and peak and base damage,nowhere does he mention speed runs as a factor,speed run comparisons are one of the lowest priorities to search for before pulling for a character or deciding their place in the meta,but do you know what isn’t?ease of use and team options,and arle is better than mualani in both,took mualani a whole lot of buffs last abyss to compete with arle and still couldn’t hide the fact that her gameplay is one of the clunkiest in the game,add to that the teams where she’s an arle competition require a very narrow set of characters as opposed to arle that can work with way more characters and make a top team with them,am a mualani main but man does she not feel the same with all them 5.0 buffs
@@enchantingscene5614 all im hearing is cope, the only end game in genshin is timed content, if you actually think any genshin character is hard to play then im sorry for your disabilities
It's been really cool watching you grow as a CC in the Genshin meta space since being here from v1.0 and seeing other creators come and go. I don't typically join these giveaways but you know what, why not this time? Keep up the great work but please be careful about burning out!
I honestly think that Dehya should be much higher now in the tierlist since she’s a really good alternative for Xiangling in Kinich or Mualani teams since her E applies lots of pyro, interruption resistance, damage mitigation, and some buffing. She’s so much easier to build too since she does not need very high ER compared to Xiangling.
100% agreed. Dehya is always underrated, despite the fact that shes becoming more useful as time goes on.
I'd say she deserved to be brought up the list ever since Fontaine. She works so well with Lyney and Neuvillette. I absolutely love using Arlechinno with Dehya because of her damage mitigation!
With every new DPS character release, Dehya has proven to be a great tanky support character
Definitely she is also bis for kinich set for her utilities and pyro app, she also can hold the deepwood set buffing both kinich and emilie
Hey Jello!! Would you mind making a video that talks about some of the best genshin teams now that some placements have been shifted?
Love your videos and tier lists. While I usually agree for the most part with the placements, I think Mualani is getting at least a bit overrated here. Her damage might be pretty good, but it lacks consistency (compared to characters like Arlecchino and Neuvillete). Also, might just be personal opinion but to me Mualani feels extremely clunky to play and doesn't do nearly as well against multiple enemies than a single target. I think it'd be justified to put her in T1 but not T0.
Don't get me wrong when she works she feels very good and is an amazing character, but I think her weaknesses make her deserving of a spot in T1, not T0. I wouldn't classify her as one of the best units in the game.
Also keep in mind the game and abyss in general has catered to Mualani so much it's insane.
but her the damage multiplier is just so high that it fights against her consistency, shes a damage per screenshot which is good in abyss and anywhere makes everything very fast
skill issue
It's hard for me to rate Mualani lol , sometimes she feels like the most insane DPS in the game , and sometimes she makes me lose my mind when enemies dodge her shark bite or she misses the crit , Xiangling and her annoying high ER requirements can also make the game clunkier , praying that Mavuika will be an upgrade
@@TheLastAirbender3468What? I have never missed a single shark bite since 5.1 update. It’s fixed already.
Kazuha's grouping helps me keep sanity in monolith defense chambers/challenges. VERY important for me.
Use Venti in Imaginarium Theater where you can't guarantee everyone has access to a Fav Weapon and then tell me he's a bad unit. Homedog is only beaten by Raiden Shogun as a battery which is why the average Ayaka holdout still uses him over Kazuha because they can't be asked to go for ~140+% ER on her.
If only ayaka was still top tier maybe that would matter
Ayaka is garbage now, you're just coping on Venti he is garbage too
i just did imaginarium and picked yanfei over venti because of ttds and pyro resonance
Xilonen being able to shread resistances of multiple elements increases the value of SubDPSs like Fischl and Yae a lot, so wouldnt say they are falling off, all the opposite.
Arle is easy T0 if Mualani and Yelan are. What is this guy smoking omfg.
The ultimate truth is mualani is simply better than arle now and yelan is very impactful for so many teams but I agree arle should be T0 but she is definitely at the bottom of it
@@ISMythix Mualani: The scuff queen, misses half her stuff, has very little flexibility, performance tied to some of the best 5star supports in the game or she isnt even functioning, forced to play with xiangling basically, her huge dpr comes from overkilling and being forced to start entire new rotations to kill 1 hp trashmobs cuz she has no sub dps in her team other source of dmg herself= S tier cuz big number dopamine brrr
@@johnnywheaton1234 ye now ur trippin lol her performance is tied to some of the best 5* in the game??? what??? her performance is tied to xiangling, not even a 5* and her best team overall is herself, xiangling, xilonen and the last spot is very flexible
arle's best team is herself, bennett, kazuha and xilonen (nobody here is rlly doing dmg but arle), u can also throw zhongli/yelan who will do good personal dmg and there is a lot of flexibility in her team options
sure arle can pretty much do it on her own but I honestly don't think that's a great argument, I agree she should be tier 0 but the average person isn't going into abyss with a team-less mualani or arlecchino lol in their best/decent teams mualani is just better
@@ISMythix "The ultimate truth" is Mualani isn't simply better than Arle. I'm sorry someone misinformed you.
I'm not here to dunk on her. I like her as well. She is a good character.But Mualani is not better than Arle,I'm sorry. I have no interest in changing your mind.I'm merely stating a fact.
@@cnxlee_69420The fact your are stating is wrong, Mualani is a better DPS than Arlecchino, she does more DMG, but I think that I would pick Arlecchino any time over her for the consistency (Mualani is really clunky to play and her teams have some problems if Mualani doesn't one shot everything) That's why for me Arle should be on T0 too bc like Neuvilette she's very consistent with her DMG
Ororon on elegy with the cinders set is going put Alhaitham right back up where he deserves
Agree with almost everything but I think Baizhu deserves T1 still. My Raiden Nahida Baizhu Yelan team is so brain dead unga bunga that I can’t go back from using it on whichever abyss side is immune to Neuv.
Before I pulled for Xilonen, I slapped the Instructor set on Baizhu for my Mualani vape team and the whole team just went unga bunga with healing and off field damage.
Replace yelan with furina or baizhu with xinqiu and you are perfect.
is your Raiden EM? or do you use Raiden as main DPS?
@@abzurdismoit's most likely EM bot Raiden. A hyperbloom team requires an electro EM trigger to get access to that juicy damage
@@ABC-yj6cy This team can definitely be played with a hybrid Raiden build. I've done that and it works great. EoSF with some EM to trigger hyperbloom and quicken, on fielding Raiden. Hyperbloom still does like 16k with 200EM + 200EM from Nahida. Used that team in Abyss to 36 star multiple times.
tighnari should be in tier 1.5 using team baizhu, raiden, furina
If you think the difference beetween T1 and T1.5 is requiring multiple supports to work, then i think you might want to demote Xiao and/or Wanderer
Most of the adjustments you've made were the one's I wanted to discuss about in the comments, you find yourself wondering whether you were valuing mona higher than she should, but as far as what I'm concerned, I would probably even put her one rank above just due to how strong her buff is, even tho it doesn't last as much, due to not requiring it to stack up, it could result in better synergy with those characters who have their dmg mostly front loaded, I find myself going to her more and more often in my c2 raiden teams to leave furina open for the second team. I would argue that Jean should be ranked higher, I've her at c4 but her c2 is what makes characters like klee feel more reactive to play (besides making klee prock her a2 more often), and works really well in kleerina teams (also kills the 5+M hp capibara in 1 minute alone). Speaking of which I've played xiao and wonderer extensively, and from my experience playing klee, i find myself getting better times consistently with her, even while owning c6 faruzan, cloud retainer and c4 jean. Even my noelle performs better in furina teams with maracchusse hunter that the both of them (maybe do to the most cracked artifacts I've being on her like crit dmg circlet with 10.9 crit rate and 29.2 def%) for that reason I would rank down both xiao and wonderer to were noelle stands, valuing their performance almost on par... For klee I'm very conflicted, sometimes i find myself matching or even surpassing raidens times in the abyss, to ensure I wasn't crazy I've timed the time to kill the capybara boss with the both if them, and the times were very similar, which is mind boggling to me... Still, raiden due to said interruption resistance is far more consistent with those times. I would downgrade xingqiu placement all that much, interruption resistance and dmg reduction still comes in handy besides his other perks. Fischl I would probably put her higher for how versitile she is, you can slap her in any team, almost no field time, decent dmg, especially capable of snapshotting buff and take advantage of them even when they expire I would also put dehya higher, I use her in all kinds of situations, when she was released, in spite for the backlash after I found her I challenge myself to use her no matter the situation to see if said claims were remotely true... While everyone was arguing about her dmg i was mainly focussing for her defensive and supportive capability, I found she could make your character survive attacks that would have killed you even with zhongli shield, I found the interruption resistance pretty neat, due to the extent on it, and not being relient on a shield not breaking... Now i use her with navia or kinnick with sumeru's weapon in his case.
I would put sara, beidou and lisa higher just because I'm so invested in electro teams especially overload with cheverouse XD, but that's a bit of a stretch. Also collei, but I may be influenced from having elegy, also not the most consistent, especially with those boomerangs throws XD.
I respect your opinion but Mualani above Arlecchino is crazy to me. I do actually think Arlecchino has higher damage and to me feels much easier to play. Mualani feels very cope rn.
Mua actually has better dmg
Single-target Mualani have more damage. Also Mualani have better AoE so its kinda clear that Mualani is better than Arle.
Dont think i underrate Arle since to me its the second best, ive went all docs, icd Control to vaporize N1 N2... but no she isnt better than Mualani.
She IS better than arle in BOTH single target and aoe. Just a little bit behind neuvi. But with introduction of mavuika she can eventually surpass neuvi, or at least be on a par with him.
I mean currently for dps the top 3 is Mualani Arlecchino Neuvillette. Arle should be in T0 if we are pulling Neuvi for dps but if we are talking comfort too then Arle should be above Mualani because of her self sustain like Neuvi
@@Lanso-01mualani isn’t better then arle in no aoe lol
If you have C2 Xilinonen, most electro dps move up the tier list insanely. It's fucking insane how much more bursts I get off with Xilonen. Same goes for Geo DPS too.
whats your beef with tighnari???
Gamepad bias.
@@zierk4940 what does that mean?
Tighnari is mechanically difficult like Hu Tao, but Hu Tao has a fat ass so people are more willing to learn her mechanics and glaze her up
Tighnari is brain dead easy to use, Controller players just stick to shooting at their feet and let the homing secondary arrows do work
@@phrsde not hard to headshot of you set up your controller well :P. For mobile users I can't even imagine using a bow character
Yun Jin is the biggest normal attack buffer in the game thanks to the new DEF polearm. If you have her at C3 and on a full defense build with a lvl. 13 burst, she turns Clorinde into a monster.
demoting arlecchino was blasphemous 😂,
personally she still performs better than my neuvilette (both c0), plus my arlechhino team is mono pyro with zhongli and xiangling , both of which were also demoted
There is no abjective tier list to be fair. My Lyney with Kachina and Zhongli performs better than my C0 Neuvilette and by MILES and it counts 2 4-star units, Chiori if you ant to be extra fancy. Neuvilette him being ''a low investment solid DPS'' is such an overstatement, too many 5* units to buff him that keeps you in shortage for your other teams (still can't believe people play both Kazuha and Xilonen on his team).
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 nope. I don't use any character with neuvikkete
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273that premium team is for the whales or established players 😢, it is insane though it easily reaches 60k+ charges
Bennett the undisputed pyro archon lmao. He's been in every team since forever.
Ngl man I think you're underrating Arlecchino a bit and overrating Mualani a lot when comparing her to Neuvillette. She feels strong for sure but she's not as close to Neuvillette as you're making her out to be. Neuvillette's damage potential even in single target isn't that much lower than someone like Mualani now over a whole rotation, and that's really the only content she's competitive with him in. On my account my C2R1 Mualani feels worse than my Arlecchino but that's probably account dependent.
Neuvillette’s single target damage isn’t just a little worse than Mualani’s. Mualani significantly gaps him at high levels of investment, just check out how their C1/C2 abyss speedrun times differ. And yes speedrunning isn’t the best metric but it does paint the picture.
@@thepieguyftw Per screenshot yes, per rotation no. Her actual DPR isn't significantly higher than Neuvi's in their best teams if at all. The reason she clears so fast in speedruns is because in situations where things go well, she has extremely high frontloaded damage. Neuvillette's is almost perfectly consistent across his damage window, while Mualani can overperform significantly if she is at the damage breakpoint needed to clear a wave before her damage window is over.
@@pankace3296Mualani c2 makes her EXTREMELY FRONTLOADED, plus natlans chars had an 80% buff.
@@AlwaysThirstys Exactly. I didn't even take into account how the Natlan buff is skewing things, but beyond that, you can't just assume that a character is flat out better because extreme frontload allows them to speedrun well.
@@pankace3296 listen bro I too have a c1r1 mualani idk how your mualani is built but mine is better in EVERY situation and you have a c2r1 so you'r mualani might not be well built and my nuvi is also hyper invested in so idk it might be and I don't mean any offence but it might be a skill problem
Love Navia and Mualani. I've been having so much fun playing both. I need to save more for Xilonen, though. I hope to get enough after losing to a Qiqi pull. haha
Arlecchino is easily T0 why do people downplay her? Smh...
I think Jello forgot that the last abyss gives Mualani 80% dmg and now he thinks she’s way better. It’s fine if he still thinks she’s better but the damage difference isn’t really high to demote Arlecchino. i think Jello is kinda overrating Mualani and forgot that the last abyss gave Mualani more damage. Mualani’s dmg ceiling isn’t that far above anyone else, Hu tao is really close to Mualani and Neuvillette damage wise yet he hasn’t promoted her enough imo.
Sometimes a rotation just doesn't line up exactly right. Sometimes you just need to squeeze out a bit more damage, need a bit more energy, you have to wait for cooldown, or an enemy dodged or stunned you.
Arlecchino... doesn't need to worry about any of that. Her Skill and Burst provide so much flexibility. She will allow any team to have an extended rotation without compromise and craps out damage higher than almost everyone else barring Neuv and Mualani. You're right. She is T0.
@@abukhaliiil1211 uhh u do know that Mualani also pretty much mopped the floor with every other dps in 4.8 abyss too right ? Its not a 5.0 abyss exclusive thing.
@@deltaspecies1697 From what I remember she was very inconsistent in 4.8 because enemies spawned to far away from each other. I do have her and she was hell to use on some of the floors.
rofl arlecchino not T0 is insane...
Furina also buffs all elements (even physical) so thats another reason to place her higher
Oh hell nah Mualani in T0 is crazy
She has the highest single target dps in the game how tf is that crazy? ☠️
@IsMythix not single target but in AoE too
@@ISMythix she does, but not without occasionally resets that frustrates many ppl.
@@banjoowo4001 i could agree on single target but in AOE? it reeks of copium 😭
@@ZeHoovy2595 that's why she has the fastest 4.8 and 5.1 clear times despite it being aoe multiwave? it's undeniable
Dude,u are by far my favourite Genshin content creator! Keep up good work.
I regret pulling Mualani even with Xilonen her playstyle just suuuucks
Yeah her gameplay is so chunky as well I got c2 she does 3m but I have to restart 10 times to do
Most of her issues got fixed anyway. Its just skill issue
@@feederico1011 no it's not skill issue, she is so clunky especially when there are 2 enemies, i feel like her skill just doesen't last neough to get the 3 bite sharks every time
@@Tode99 what… its even easier to get 3 bites with 2 enemies. Sometimes i even get 4 bites
@@Tode99u have to pick up the pink puffer fish that spawns
emilie is a character i pulled during the last few days of her banner, just for kinich but turns out a really good unit, im surprised, i thought im gonna regret pulling her lol
i think venti's good just requires more skill to use. often one of the halves over the past year have been venti-able, it's just that some of the mobs on the floor gain interruption resistance after certain animations and attacks so there's a short window for his burst to cc. when it does cc (fontaine's new fatui agent's for example) it makes the floor much much easier
Neuvilette vs. Mualani is like Crit 90/140 vs. 50/260. consistency vs. high numbers. either is eternal gods of damage, you just choose if you want more or less risk/reward
Except it's extremely easy to reach 100% crit rate with Mualani who ascends Crit Rate + Obsidian 40%. Not flaming but the comparison is a bit ironic lol.
@@bachdplaysobsidian codex is op.
@@bachdplays He's not talking about crit ratio or ease in getting crit. He's comparing the idea behind the given ratios to the characters.
You're right but I think he's talking about how mualani is nuke while neuvi is constant DPS @@bachdplays
@@bachdplays lil bro can't read
After mualani came out. The amount of speed runs I’ve seen with her on YT is insane. 10 seconds and it’s over. While I’m suffering till 7 mins 💀
Navia mualani arlechino and neuvellite are SS tier DPS in the game right now
with c2 Xilo, Neuv is in Z tier lol
Navia sneak om
@@blacezard2514 then so is mua
@@lolidemon3163 Mualani has like 20% higher dps compared to Navia lmao
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I think Sigewinne's best team now is Furina, Kachina, Chiori, Sigewinne. It's an entirely E.skill based team so energy isn't problematic, Hydro crystalize provides comfy occasional interupt res, Sigewinne is a bow character and can easily trigger Chiori's Seize the Moment buff. Plus with all the damage amps and off-field energy Sigewinne has very lax energy requirements with her burst. Rotations are flexible: Furina E - Q, Kachina E - Q (with Natlan spear), Chiori Q - E - E, Sigewinne E - Q - NA spam. Sigewinne's burst is short so Chiori's tapestry buff won't fall off during it.
Not sure putting Mualani over Arlecchino after Xilonen release when Arle also benefits from her makes much sense. I love them both but Mualani is still behind Arle
Arle isn't a tier above the T1 dps
@@puma21puma21 she is better than every single dps on tier 1 and more consistent and versatile than mualani so yes she does
xilonen is a way bigger upgrade for mualani than arle. xilonen is a sidegrade at best in arle teams
@@pablogarciacelada4751 That’s why she’s at the top of t1, but she still falls short in terms of dps in every scenario when comparing Arles best teams to neuvs and mualanis
As someone who doesn’t have Navia, isn’t interested in Mualani’s and Neuvillette’s or any other current “meta” DPSes playstyle and is more interested into cryo characters Xilonen didn’t change anything lol. Sure I could get her for Navia but I don’t even have her yet and since I don’t love Xilonen’s design or character in the story I would rather skip her until I feel like she’s a necessity for a team. None of the teams I currently use gets an upgrade with her and the only Natlan character’s I’m interested is Chasca (who obviously wouldn’t benefit from her since she’s anemo), Citlali and Mavuika who are both going to probably be supports. It’s really interesting to see how most people call this character broken when in fact it doesn’t effect others at all.
I don't see mauv being a support
@@lolidemon3163it's kinda already been leaked that she has a aippurirint playstyle
@@lolidemon3163 all archons are supports
@@lolidemon3163I personally wouldn't be shocked if she is. The potential surrounding the nightsoul point system makes for some interesting support concepts.
You have a point every patch new characters are presented then many content creators makes guides about this new characters they overhyped them then all of a sudden a new character but with a really good kit and stuff then the last character on the last patch is already detroned because they overhyped it so much and then people pull for it lol
What did tighnari do to you!? 😂 I got to go watch the old video for that explanation lol.
For the most part is agree with all your sentiments. (Even if some of the exact placements are where I would put them.) Yenfei represent!!
And with this ranking it's no surprise that neuvillette furina xilonen and kazuha is the god squad.
Nah....Im gonna disagree with arlecchino I just got a good pieces for arle (finally gonna stop that shit domain) shes doing 100k 120k per hit with just whitessal (I tested on raiden) so think how good she will be aftwr I got her signature or primordial jade spear... she's way more consistent then mualani so she belongs to T0
Overall besides the clunkiness Mualani DOES do more damage than Arlecchino, without the consistency, so it’s player preference
I got her . For Design but it suprises me how she really is!
I love how none of us wants to admit how bad Venti is just because he's the beloved first archon in the game...
But let's be real, its a pretty terrible 5 star, we shouldn't be afraid to call it for what it is, we all wish he was changed. People keep adding the caveat of "when he can group he's insane" but even then I disagree, he was insane when he could group in 1.0/2.0 but now not only can he never do that but even if he could he feels power-crept out of existence.
But maybe I don't know what I'm saying since I have a pretty mid account.
No you're right , grouping alone is not enough, the game has been focusing more on tanky Bosses and Elites where grouping doesn't do much, and Even in rare abyss rotations where they have multiple AOE chambers in floor 12 you can just brute force content without grouping.
Venti needs to provide some strong offensive buffs (like Kazuha and Sucrose) to deserve a spot with top tier characters
I genuinely never liked venti. 2nd worse archon on my list (and no i am not talking meta, talking abt design/personality)
Yeah, Venti is "insane" specifically against the enemies that deal the least damage and are the easiest to kill. And against the enemies that matter, you basically have a 3 character team.
Nah, no way you called him the "beloved first archon" in the game💀...he's hated even outside the meta cuz ppl just simplify his personality and works to a simple one word- "alcoholic" lol. But I agree, even when grouping, he can't group many enemies and Kazuha is basically a powercreep for him in overall case (hard to say this as a Venti fan but it is what it is).
I like him for grunt cc and battery supply for the team. Yes I only really use him in the theater, but I'm still happy I have him in there.
Characters in neuvillette's best team are all in top 5
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