The Neo Geo CD Will Test Your Patience! AES Versus CD Comparison - Samurai Shodown II
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- The Neo Geo CD is an interesting console, especially for collectors looking for a cheaper alternative to the SNK Neo Geo AES. But is it worth it? Do you have the patience required to enjoy the Neo Geo CD?
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Madlittlepixel great video but the polymega is the answer to this
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Have you looked into getting the UniBIOS for the Neo Geo CD? I heard that it brings the speed up to the CDZ.
Hadn't heard the unibios helps with load times, but I will look into it. I have a unibios 4.0 installed in my AES and love it. I knew you could put them in the CD unit just havent looked into it yet.
What is your outro music? It kind of slaps. If its from a game, then I want to play it. I like it a lot better than those corny 8 bit jingles that so many other gaming youtubers seem to use
Happy to help!
I found out about the Neo Geo CD via Hi Score Girl. It is featured in a episode where the main character borrows it from a wealthy classmate, and then proceeds to teach himself patience by waiting for the Neo Geo to load. I thought it was a joke, but your side-by-side comparison makes it clear as day! Thanks for the vid, and cheers mate!
Lol that episode is why I made this video haha
I've own my Neo CD for about 5 years and my AES for about a year. I still actually game a lot more on my CD, sure partly due to my bigger library but also because I don't find loading times all that bad in the games I play the most. The loading times really vary from game to game. For non fighters you only put up with the initial first load and that is it (no loading screens after that). For some fighters it's a sub 30s load between levels which to me is not a big deal. As for the missing frames, it's more a case in some fighters late in the systems life. I highly recommend checking out the Neo Geo reviews from Basement Brothers as they do a great job of showing the variance between AES, MVS & CD.
Man I love my Neo Geo CD! Hoping this year to pick up some extra titles for it.Polymega is a good solution for playing Neo Geo CD Im planning to get one later this year.
I have the Neo Geo CDZ, MVS and AES. There are some missing animations on some games made for the NeoCD. For example, on the charecter select screen in Samsho 2, you will notice missing animations on the charecters vs the AES and MVS Samsho games. Nice vid and congrats on the pick up! 🍻
Neo Geo CD has a reset button. You need to hold down the A, B, C and D buttons then press start. It should take you back to the Game title screen and if you press select instead of the start button it should take you back to the Neo Geo CD start menu.
Most of the CD games have both Japanese and English on them. There is a jumper in the Neo Geo CD that you can put a switch to and have essentially a US system. Also you can mod the system with the unibios and it will speed up the load times.
2 other benefits of the neogeo cd. It's pretty simple to region modify so you can get English for games without a bios swap and no copy protection which means you can use CD-Rs instead of getting that super expensive flash cart for the aes.
I had one in the 90's (CD system). I probably still have it somewhere. I was a huge fan of the Neo Geo fighters back then, but I think we spent more time watching loading screens than playing.
The CDZ had a x2 CD drive. Not a huge step up but it's noticeably faster. In fact, i find that most games load as fast on the CDZ as the original PlayStation. I sold my CDZ a few years ago and now I regret doing that sooo much! I remember only paying $200 on ebay for it. Nowadays they go for $500 and up!
The Neo Geo CD can be a nice alternative to the AES so as long as you avoid some of the later fighting games, not just because of load times but also because some of them did indeed have less animation than the AES counterpart. I especially noticed this for Samurai Shodown 4. SNK had to cut back the games a little to make the loading less bad than it already was. Besides that though, Most of the games really aren't that bad when it comes to load times. Even on the top loader Neo Geo CD
I built a neo geo bartop arcade cab this week. MV-1B MVS arcade board.
Great job man! A good way to spend time! Enjoy it as much as you can
Great boards. Got one too. Get the 70 in one cart. Recommended
still find my neo geo cd cool machine. what were those cool days in 80's 90's I miss them
My friend owned a Neo Geo CD. When we played King of Fighters ‘95 on it, we agreed to pick the same characters on our team in the same order, to make the load times more tolerable. Eventually we just ended up moving to Tekken 2 (and later 3) as our fighting game of choice. The Neo Geo CD’s drive was just that slow, it discouraged you from playing it.
As far as I know, not all the CD games have arranged music. Some of them just had recordings of the arcade music as audio tracks. But the ones that do have new arranged music are pretty awesome.
I love my neo cd. Load times doesn't really bother me growing up with Commodore 64 disk reads/swapping. I think the worst though was last blade 2 but you can turn off demo scenes in options to speed things up. Either way great vid keep up the great work brother
The one advantage to the Neo Geo CD over the AES or MVS is its ability to read burned CD-R discs. You want to do something similar on the AES or MVS? Then you'll need to shell out $500 for a Terraonion flash cart or $150ish for a Chinese multicart (which I wouldn't recommend, heard some bad stuff about those Chinese carts). I'd much rather pay $15 for a stack of 100 Verbatim CD-R's then slow burn a bunch of games on them. The load times will definitely vary in acceptance from person to person, but I personally will tolerate the loading times as long as I can play some burned discs while saving some money to eventually buy the real games. AES consoles are also going up in price which makes the investment for a good flash cart even more painful on the wallet. You could easily go $1k in an AES or MVS setup, especially if you decide to buy a consolised MVS instead of building your own.
Used that yellow MVS multicast for years .no issues
Yeah I picked up an AES last year for just north of $350 with 2 games and an MVS adapter. I spent almost as much for 1 AES game than I did the console. Then I dropped my load on the NeoSD Pro when they finally came in stock. If you're someone that really wants to play on the original console the NeoSD Pro is the way to go because you can just buy once and cry once and have the entire catalog available. I'm actually thinking about picking up a CDZ just to have it for the collection, but those prices are slowly creeping up and I can't justify spending so much on it when I can already play CD games with the NeoSD Pro.
@@ezcompane mvs and a super fun is the cheapest way into neo geo
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Load times are quite slow but im a child of the zx spectrum cassette era, 8 minute load times for it to crash in the last 10 seconds, now thats a test of patience.
I started on the ZX81 which also had the ram pack wobble as well. Used to sit there holding your breath waiting for 6 or more minutes to load, not daring to move once loaded in case you wobbled the ram pack. Neo cd times are like lightning compared to them though. I remember when the neo cd first come out the games were selling in a game shop near where I worked for £59.99 back in 94. I got most of my cd games around the early 2000s for a lot less. Nowadays the prices are verging on ridiculous.
I don't find the load that bad, I've had my neo geo cd for few years now and still going strong, sega dreamcast also plays neo geo cd but can only play backups, the best way to go about playing is to get mvs carts and get a cmvs via supergun.
Those load times are outrageously slow. The audio would have to be unbelievably glorious to justify it.
The audio was amazing! That made up for the awful load times for me.
Tbf forza horizon 4 on xbox one x's first load is longer than any neo geo cd game.
The cool thing about Neo Geo CD is that most of the games that came on the system, feature an arranged soundtrack played with REAL INSTRUMENTS.
However, it doesn't justify the slow-ass loadings, nor the insane price, as well as the partial missing animations!
And smaller characters in some games.
Those load times are a serious killer.
You Can Also Play Backups It’s Not Locked Down Just Make Sure You Burn Disc In Slow Speed
It’s very interesting that the polymega will cut the load times down to Nil. Hmmm....me thinks I may have to
Order one. ;)
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Yo Pixel! What's crackin'? I really hope you and your family are staying safe during these quite tiresome times! Anyway, I perfectly remember the huge difference between AES and CD!! The loading times for the latter were extremely long and tiring!! You could prepare some coffee and have it ready just before the loading time came to an end!! But those systems were the ABSOLUTE BEST along with the first 2 PlayStations, the SNES and the Dreamcast!! Greetings from Italy
I'd love to have a FPGA clone for the Neo Geo and Neo Geo CD. The original hardware is insanely expensive.
AES all the way!
Imported a boxed Neo Geo CD bundled with about five games for my birthday in 2004 since I always dreamed of owning a Neo Geo arcade cab or console. To me the load times are well worth the money saved vs. what the AES and games for it cost. While some of the games for the CD can get expensive due to rarity, the music quality and overall price efficiency made more sense to me. I'm curious what SNK has planned for the future.
1990... great year. Had my last solid crap 10 years after that. Keep up the great content Ronnie.
A good friend of mine picked one of these up late last year. He was like its awesome but the loading times were killing him. lol Fun to see it in action. He said it plays burned cds which is cool if you're into that.
Imagine if an ODE came out for this thing. Maybe a bit redundant due to the countless other options, but cool nonetheless.
$300 for a game at retail? Who has paid that amount, in quarters, on a single game at the arcade!? Craziness
Marcos that was the reality. As a kid, I knew NO ONE who had a NEO GEO. We just saw them at the arcade or on Video Power.
yes the load times are long but man i love my neo geo cd, it was my way to play and start my neo geo collection untill i got a badass deal on my big red 4 slot with both shock troopers 1& 2 neo golf and magical drop 2 for $320. if i can't find a cheap game for my mvs then i'll get it for my cd and vice versa.
Oh yes, I have a Neo Geo AES in box *mint condition. I have a Neo Geo CD in box *mint condition. My Neo Geo CD is modded with a toggle switch on the front of the Unit. Further, I have two 4-slot MVS cabs in perfect working order. Lastly, I have several of the Neo Geo Mini's that I absolutely love.
I think you really like Neo Geo?🙂
@@CAPCOM784
What is this Neo Geo you speak of? ;)
The AES you finished the first stage before starting playing on the CD
OMG!!!!
Fighting games are a bit of a prob loading between fights, but all the other non fighting games load in one go, so shooters, sports games, brawlers etc. And probably the system with the best arrange soundtracks out there.
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Appreciate it!!
Does it play Audio CD?
Regret selling my Neo Geo CD for the premium audio and couple exclusive game such as Crossed Swords 2. Would like the Neo Geo 3 perhaps to include those CD audio tracks and few games that were only on the Neo Geo CD. Clicky pads were great as well.
Hello, “Mad.” Just saying hi. JK Ron. Great video, as always. Be safe
Neosd loader will change your mind about the neo geo cd.
The Neo Geo CD is one if my favorite formats and I've been collecting them for some time. The loads are killer in the too loader but they are much better on the CDZ which I have been using for years (that is, until the Polymega with it's instant load times). The library isn't as big and the loading sucks but there are some cool things like arranged soundtracks and a couple exclusives :) In this day and age it may not make too much sense getting into it due to price though. Even so, I still love it :)
Great video Ron! More Neo! 😁😁
Some NG CDZ units crashed easily
Been trying to get a CDZ but people just arent budging on them. Got a real good deal from eStarland for this unit complete in box... and didn't pay any $$ just traded in games I dont play lol. Its cool and a lot of fun to mess with, a neat piece of history. Ive had a few games for a long while now for the Neo CD... just never a console haha. Would get weird deals on AES cartridges that came with Neo CD games for an extremely good price.
These days you could get a Supergun, MVS motherboard, ATX PSU, and 161 in 1 cart and it'll still be cheaper than the asking price of a Neo Geo CD on eBay.
I got lucky picking up a CDZ console only a few years ago for 150. Luckily it powered right up after I found a power supply for it. Most cases the stock CD power supplies prices are the same amount I paid for the console. Someone should make a new power unit like the one I see a lot for the Sega Saturn. Be nice to use a standard barrel plug vs. the weird 3 prong deal SNK decided to use.
The only true difference aside from changed soundtracks, is that the cd version is missing some voice samples and was replaced with other common ones. This is when I was like even if it has long load times, I get that true SNK feeling of a port....then i found out about it, i lost all hope with neo cd ports
I had one back in the day and put up with the loading for cheaper games then the AES, now tho i have a Neogeo Cdz loading times are about the same as modern games there about's and i love the Cd arranged sound tracks there amazing.
Still love my MVS tho.
Great video. I enjoyed this being I never owned neither of the 2 , was to expensive then and still is now! Lol. IL jst stick to the mini, pro stick and whtever they release in future to play snk/neo geo games.
So I guess you been looking at Furrtek Neo Geo CD SD Loader ?
Polymega is a potential answer.
Incredible to see MLD noticing the COVID retro craze starting.
I wonder if someone made an SD card solution like the GDEMU but for the Neo Geo CD. Maybe the speed could be faster or would it still run at 1x since it would be nothing but just emulating the disc drive?
YES, it's called the NEO CD SD Loader. It's made by Furrtek, and he just got the first boards and is starting to ship them out.
really great video... You gloss over it, but can you do a video on how to play NEO GEO games without buying the original hard ware or maybe there is a video that explains it us "old gamers" that aren't familiar with all the new tech
Being honest the easiest way is just to buy the games off Xbox or Sony store.
@@CAPCOM784 thanks!
It's a shame the loading can be a drag, because the NGCD comes with nice enhance versions of the original games. The soundtrack CD audio is fantastic.
I own a CDZ and while it is definitely way faster it's still not worth it IMO. MVS is still the way to go for original hardware.
Oh my god you have a neo cd. That’s so rad!!!
NGDC games have the best sountrack ever
Love neogeo stuff!
I so wish that the polymega team could figure out a way to implement a light gun
They are going to have a lightgun I thought? I thought I saw that teased a while back.
It will test your patience, but not your wallet. Definitely worth it. Paying 250+ for a shitty AES title...no way
Dude some of the CD titles are getting high in price... But still nowhere near as high as AES titles. I keep tabs on Neo Geo games and man the market is all over the place as far as sold games go.
@@Madlittlepixel Yeah. Even though I can sort of afford it...Neo-Geo collecting gives me anxiety because of the steep prices, all around. I mean...imagine waking up one morning and staring at a Breakers Revenge cart you paid more than two hundred dollars for. Despite rising prices, I still feel that ~most~ of the CD media is far less expensive....but I still haven't taken that plunge.
MiSTer is likely the most easy way to play NEOGEO right now. Once you move past the set up, anyways.
-has no patience. Carts for life!
I love anything neo geo. However neo geo aes with neosd pro is the best 😎🤟
Wow 1X cd speed was very painful even at that time, it would fare batter if at least was released with 2X speed and maybe if the cpu (Motorola 68000) could be overclocked to 16mhz. Another problem was compounded with large data requirements for the games since it needed to fill up the DRAM (7 MB) and that took some time and the process was slow too.
Estarland? I bought a TG16 and sent it back with the games I bought....they never refunded me. They stole my money.
You had to return it and they didnt refund you? Ive never had to do a return but have done trade ins and it was always fine. If they didnt refund you did you call or email them?
1x damn, even the PC engine Duo’s were 10x
Haha! 10x! Wrong! All PC Engine CD drives were 1x, just like Mega CD, CD-i, CDTV, it wasn’t until Marty, CD32, 3DO drives went to 2x
I traded a bunch of lame SNES games for a Neo Geo and 6 games at FuncoLand back in the early 90's. Ended up trading the Neo for other junk and I regret that to this day.
Huge load times are a big deal breaker for me. I prefer much more to go with emulation on MAME than to wait 5min to play a game.
Why it’s there green mucus instead of red blood?
I had the AES on USA mode. I have a unibios 4.0 which allows me to change that but didnt think of it when I was recording.
i had one back in the day it was actually really good just because the cd games were cheaper, since i was quite young i would swap around a lot in the 90s when the jaguar the cdi and 3do came on the scene it was a much more interesting time for consoles, i'v never owned a 3do still to this day i held on to the cdi for some reason with the mpeg cart i just think it was a bit more interesting to collect at the time, i think the neogeo cd was a great system for what it was. i will say tho i do prefer the minis non clicky pads at the time i found the originals really annoying but always wanted the arcade stick and cart version. looking back i'm happy i got rid of it as i regret selling my second jaguar more. and from an emulation point of view, well.....
mini pads are terrible without the micro switches
i have an mvs with neosd,an aes with neosd pro,neo cd top loader and neogeo x,i love them.
But the load times on the cd version are a minus.
Maybe you're better off playing those games through arcade archives on the switch. The switch supports a fightstick.
Back in 1994 the long loading times was a ´pain in the arse. Not evet SS or PSX had that amount of dead time waiting to play one match. But today its okay, Samurai Shodown for Xbox one X least as much as Samurai Shodown for Neo Geo cd.
Definitely for the collectors the neo geo cd because of price etc and in my opinion the games are great and everything but for me not much of a difference compared to the neo geo games except on the price. Cool video mlp but for me il stick to emulating the neo geo cd. Stay safe my friend 😷😁👍
I hope some former SNK bean-counter regrets being penny-wise and pound-foolish, trying to save money on drive speeds...
I have the CDZ. Not super fast, but atleast not annoying.
The only game I always wanted for the neo geo cd was Samurai Showdown RPG. Of course it will need some kind of a English patch. Other than that the loading was to much.
Sooo... Emulation speaking... The AES rom set is about 2.5GB and the CD rom set is over 20gb.
AES has some more frames of emulation and the CD has slightly better audio quality.
Can anyone give me a reason better than just being able to brag about having the CD rom set to actually KEEP the rom set on a hard drive taking up 20gb of space?? =/
Thx in advance ^_^ good vid BTW =D
But this is why you’re gonna buy a Polymega, Ron 😉
the cdz was still slow, but the standard top/front loading times were unbearable.
Should have gotten the NEO GEO CDZ.
Hey.
Noe is a neo geo cd sd loader coming out with this the neo cd is really good and very fast loading.
And you no have to buy games and not pay stupit aes prices for one game 1000 euros??? What hapoen when the 1000euros game stop working broken fir its age this material is really old and ofcorse will be broken.
i think the appeal of the cd console is moreso just for casual collectors wanting some snk history without their wallets hurting. i have a few complete cd games and its just cool to own some copies even tho im gonna emu. might not be shocl boxes but its something
if the neo cd got a ode id be all over it
Search for the NEO CD SD Loader. I'm on the waiting list~
@@Madlittlepixel oh snap i didnt even know this was a thing, totally looking into it
Loading time is a disaster for the Neo Geo cd. Other than that it’s worth owning that over the 50 times the price aes console
Neo-Geo CD for the win. I dont play 2nd rate fighting games.
what happened to wearing.the beany in a stream?
The difference is night and day
Full set of ngcd under £1000 a full set of aes over £100000 a full set on terraonion sd card cartridge less than £400 the slow loads justify a 90k saving 😁
That estarland site looks like a scam/ joke site. They have nothing in stock for anything Neo Geo except a few games in the high hundreds or thousands, no systems or accessories.
Same goes for pretty much anything retro there, everything is "notify me". Ebay is far better and actually has what you are looking for.
it will.be.nice to.have a ode for.the neogeo cd!
Im on the list for the Neo CD SD Loader.... hopefully I can get one eventually~
@@Madlittlepixel great!
neo geo CD best sound track
cd has blood! Green bloos is just so distracting. It's such a weird green rgb color value. Almost like a green screen
I have the unibios on the AES, I could have turned the blood red but just left it as is for this video.
@@Madlittlepixel I was curious about that, thanks for the info, buddy. I wish the aes/mvs flash carts could fpga emulate neo cd just for the music alone
A add loaded in before the neo geo cd did. 🤦♂️
Neo Geo CD, EW !!!
I'll stick with my AES with the Neo SD cart from Terraonion.
Guess no one knew about the cdz that was 2x speed 😂
Emulating Neo Geo CD makes the loading times almost non-existent. I didn't realize it would be that much faster, since emulating PS1 still has loading times like how I remember them.
I tested with Last Blade 1, and turning off demo mode makes it a very snappy fighting game.
I want a memo geo cd emulator that doesn’t show the now loading images but just instant load times
Lotta money to play Metal Slug, Samuri Showdown and Snk fighters... Better off with emulators...
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