The only problem was that the interviewer systematically cut Billy off to ask the next question before Bragg fully answered the first question. The classy guy he is, Bragg didn't complain, just rolled with it.
He's so damn right, and deeply human, it is so good to listen, especially the thoughts about cynism strike! C'mon people it's more important than ever to unite and not let us divide. It's sad to read these badass comments here, for what?!
It's a long time since I've seen such an articulate interview. Billy is, of course, fantastic, but kudos too to Jian G for giving his subject the space to talk openly and for leading the interview so well.
And there lay the rub. We should not forget but always remember,that way we stand to change the status quo. I lived in Thatchers Britain in the eighties and only the greedy and foreigners think she was wonderful.
My entire family got out of multi-generational poverty because of Thatcher. Your grandfather should have just got another job. No wonder he produced a whining victim like you
Very inspirational. "The antidote to cynicism is activism" and he talks about how it IS a struggle, no one said it wouldn't be. I know after running in three elections as the Green Party candidate, I got cynical and I figured the party is better off in the hands of young hopefuls rather than me. LOVED Billy then and I love him now.
The gig he did after thatcher quit was Belfast. He walked on stage holding the belfast telegraph at head height. He was a very happy man and did a great set
Thought he handled the question about how he felt the moment he heard of Thatcher's death very well. No triumphalism unlike the rest of us ! Thank god the witch is dead !
@@reasonrules4165 That's true but I'm not sure I'd have had that same level of self-control/class had I been Billy Bragg. The fact is that while I am a conservative myself I firmly believe Thatcher was a disaster for this country and we are STILL suffering from the effects of her legacy. I don't dispute her enormous impact on British politics or that she did some good things in her time in office but they are far outweighed by the deep and still present divisions she either created or increased. Frankly I think she did as much damage to the cause of true conservatism as she did to the unions and Labour. Look at the incompetent far right clowns in office now and their hangers on who've led us into Brexit with lies and have completely botched the handling of covid every single step of the way. I never imagined a Conservative Prime Minister and Cabinet could be so blatantly dishonest and so evidently inept in my wildest nightmares. In truth we have only had one decent person in number 10 since Thatcher and that was John Major. Cameron was weak, May was outflanked and allowed herself to be taken down by the far right instead of squashing it like a bug when she had the chance and Boris is the only politician in the western world who makes Donald Trump look possibly sane. Anyway, rant over. I want MY Conservative Party back and can only hope there are enough of us moderates left to do something about it as soon as possible.
With hindsight there is a very curious parrallel between the rise of thatcherism and punk rock in the late 1970s. Both were a reaction to a very dysfunctional society that people were sick of.
On polititics we are obsessed with leaders and not who put them there.' Maggie was put in three times by the public. She didn't lead a coup, she was a mandated leader. I don't like or approve of her but remember why she was there.
I never thought I'd say this but damn, Billy is actually pretty hot. And as a separate issue to this interviewer, its a bit daft to be saying Margaret Thatcher's death was like a celebrity dying as if that is a strange thing: what is the reaction in America when a former President dies? I remember there being a media scrum around John McCain dying and he wasn't even President. Say what you want about Maggie (I didn't live in England when she was PM so I don't have strong feelings about her) but she was the country's first female Prime Minister and stood eye to eye with Reagan and the various Russian presidents. She's an icon of the 1980s. So yes, of course it is like a celebrity dying.
He beats around the bush a lot but if you are willing to parse all the yammering out, the relevant exchange is: "What was your first reaction to news of Thatcher's death?" "...celebration..." "What was your first, emotional, reaction?" "...joy..." xD ROTFLMFAO
Being dismissive about scientific endeavours whilst being recorded for worldwide video recall on devices that would have been Star Trek even in his own childhood? He's able to check his emails in a coffee shop and he's criticising the truth of science? Stick to other topics, Billy. Science, or rather the philosophy of empiricism, testing and peer-review through which hypotheses become working theories capable of impacting the world, gets it done. It IS important. Christ, listening to him talk is like listening to Russell Brand.
With you. Modern media now seems to attach high importance to the wittering of talentless twats. Strumming a fucking guitar now has the possibility to give massive wealth to your grandchildren, through 20 minutes of actual work, because of the current stupid copyright laws.
Why pick on the Higgs Boson? Surely there are a million things to be concerned about than some scientists at Cern doing their jobs? Yes I understand he's pissed off at the media but still...
You used a lot of propaganda terms in the statement but had very little substance. And then insulted me for disagreeing. I'll be kind and say you're underinformed.
***** yeah all this talk about him being a great hero across the world and the one who identified the cold war. All told by those crazy idiot nutter types called 'people'! dear oh dear
Give up the songs and become a politician as John Lydon should do also.Leave the songs to those of us who know how to do it without being overwhelmingly boring.
I grew up in the same village as Billy. My father had a close friendship with him as I did with Billy's son. Anything wrong with moving to Dorset to start a family?
I watch Gomer Meshi now and everything i felt about this fraud / misogynist is contained in the image he could never really cover up with his stuttering dopey savant persona. P.S. i Love Billy Braag
Fantastic to read how so many people here go for the stereotypes. Grow up. And no; I do not expect an answer and I reserve the right to not respond to stupid uninformed people.
Someone who supports Billy below says he lives in a BIG HOUSE in an Affluent Area..........that right?..well... I loved Billy’s music and was listening to Back to Basics today as it happens and was fawning over The Saturday Boy ....and I think he’s a nice bloke but if he lives in a big house in an affluent area then he can no longer with any credit speak about “the ordinary working man”...a phrase itself which is massively outdated
Sterile argument. Someone who has socialist beliefs is not allowed to live in a nice house? Provided they earned it by virtue of their own efforts that's fine by me.
although i fully and totally disagree with Bragg's points (over the years) I am respectful with his handling of MT's death. He could have been a knucklehead and go for cheap celebrational mob approach and com out with comical hard left nastiness but he didn't while explaining that there was still an opposition either in life or death. Totally 'grown up' and diplomatic. I suspect that behind it all there were some people who have had to go through the death of 'nan'/'grandma' etc. He used politics with a sense of respect. Thanks BB - I really dislike your point of view but fair play you do have a human(e) brain on those shoulders. Might be time to buy a shaver though :-)
***** "Hard right nastiness" - when does the most useful medicine, is also the one that does NOT taste nasty.? The UK was a sick country - it needed nasty medicine - Britain (including Bragg)desperately needed thathcher
Funny, he lives out in the arse end of nowhere in Kent as he moved away from central London yet expects the rest of us just to accept the city filling up with more and more people. How many is enough Bill, and if you feel so passionate let some live with you!
All parrot answers and buzz words. From Marx to King Billie their all brief little answers of bettor men and women. He is not even good at his job he can not sing and can not even play.
Thatcher tore the UK apart, with no plans for progress, or respect for history. We now have no manufacturing, just a dog-eat-dog world. To quote The Wire: "We used to make shit in this country, build shit. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket" - Reagan screwed the US, while Thatcher screwed the UK. labour-uncut.co.uk/2013/04/09/why-i-hated-margaret-thatcher/
He's not that well-spoken and he certainly doesn't understand politics. He lives in a dream world of victimhood and whining. All he does is spread negativity that hurts the working classes.
Well, excuse me (sarcasm) for not knowing who Billy Bragg is. In fact, I didn't watch the video because of him but his resemblance to Matt Berninger, does it bother you? Well, that's your problem. >People under 30 depress the shit out of me. Is that an opinion or a pathetic attempt at making someone feel bad for not sharing the same knowledge/taste like you? Oh wait, I do know! You were trying to sound like a superior person, of course! it's the Internet after all.
This comparison might be a leap, but I put Billy with my other great hero - Stompin' Tom. Listen to any of their interviews or albums, and you will be struck by the their humanity. Not their politics, not their music, but their plain, straight-forward honesty. (And before you dish Tom as a hick, listen a bit beyond the country manners and speech, he was a sharp guy that could hold his own in any circumstance.)
He is forgetting that the reason we ended up as we did in the 70's and 80's was because the unions kept calling strikes. I lived through it. The end result was that the UK went from being an industrial powerhouse up the the late 60's to becoming the sick man of Europe by the time the Tories took office. Manufacturing went abroad where it was cheaper and people would rather have work than not. Blaming Thatcher is disingenuous at best and a lie at worst. We are reaping the results of Labour giving in to force, the Unions, instead of doing what was best for the country. We recently had another 12 years of it during which New Labour kissed American ass at the expense of our servicemen and involved us in an illegal war which was none of our business. Billy Bragg wrote some good, heartfelt songs, but he has bought into the left's propaganda and now he is stuck with it. If socialism was so good, why did Stalin kill over 30 million good communists? People also tend to forget that the Nazis were National Socialists and as far from the right as you can get. Socialism is all about the state knowing what's best even when it obviously isn't. Everyone prospers under a low tax regime but only the poor suffer under high taxation. The rich hire accountants to make sure they pay less tax, poor people can't. For some reason the left bellieve you can spend your way out of debt but when bankers do the same thing it's somehow morally wrong. Not everything Thatcher's government did was good but neither was it all bad. If you believe otherwise you either weren't there or are willfully ignorant of what really happened.
He's also forgetting that he's in an industry that rewards people "forever" for 5 minutes of effort. Write a song which becomes a hit & you are rewarded for life........ You never have to "work" ever again. You can spout political bollocks as much as you like, but the truth is you are now "provided for" by modern copyright. - Fuck off and get a real job. Your political comments mean fuck nothing.
The other problem with management, which has developed since the 60's, is wanting instant profits instead of developing markets in the long term which is how the Japanese managed following the war. Anything not giving an instant return has been deemed inefficient and sold off. Successive governments and union militants have also managed to price the British worker out of the market with high wages and low productivity. It has seemed, for the past 20 years or so, that governments of all stripes want nothing to do with manufacturing or manual labour, including selling off industries which should have remained under state control, such as the power companies, water, sewage, and public transport. Short term gain, when they were sold, long term loss because they are owned and controlled by foreigners who milk the British while giving people in their own countries cheaper products.
I'm one of them as well, apart from two years, for reasons totally out of my control, I have been either in work or full time education all my life. Often on low wages in poor working conditions. You have to pay the mortgage and put food on the table when you have a family.
i hate mt for what she did to the miners but then love her for standing up to ira child killers and doing what needed doing when fellow brits got invaded by the argys
Woody Guthrie and Joe Hill would turn in their graves at Bragg's betrayal of the working class in his condemnation of their reaction to Thatcherism, Thatcher and her polices in the wake of her death. Romany Blythe
+SKNGLY Much like UKIP, she talked the talk about abstaining from Europe,but at the same time sold out the whole country.hardly actions of someone who opposes it. UKIP talk the talk of independence,but know theyre fucked if they ever win.Just a circus of charlatans the lot of them.Same auld shite
I continually disagree with everything in his increasing detached rambling, despite loving him back in 2005.. but he's bang on the money about the Thatcher reaction.
Wow, it's like you've known me all my life! Oh wait, no it's not. He *has* become more detached over the last decade. He used to be all about rights and oppression but now it's more like he attacks anything he finds confusing or hard to research. Hell, it's pretty much the entire concept of Tooth & Nail, that idea of being left behind. That's my personal opinion anyway. That's why my username and a little picture of my face are next to it.
I mean his mode of address is detached. He used to drill down into detail but lately whatever he discusses he does so in a very glib and fleeting matter. He has himself confessed in interview to being overwhelmed by the wealth of information that create a false illusion of "knowing" things, and openly expressed specialist-skepticism (that's when you can't accept information or detail from a specialist because you can't accept that anyone but a specialist could understand it). Don't tell me that "No One Knows Nothing Anymore" isn't about just that. Considering my intitial comment was about my being pleased that Billy had said something recent that I agree with, when I used to agree with him so much more, I don't really appreciate the negative corner you've decide to make me stand in, especially given the assumptions you've made on a total stranger.
I have absolutely no idea why you are so angry about this. I have absolutely no idea why you've decided for yourself what I think about subjects I haven't mentioned. I feel like if I said I didn't like his shoes you'd accuse me of wanting him dead. I wasn't condemning him or damning him, only expressing my own increasing lack of accord with what he says and how he says it, and in the initial comment, being pleased I could agree with him again. For a glib comment made 2 months ago about an event 9 months ago, I think you are putting far too much stock and attention into this.
You've again gone and assumed that I don't know these things, and don't support what Billy Bragg and others do in relation to them. "He's a good bloke" yes I agree and was commenting more on the increased gulf between me and him (without apportioning blame) than putting the man down. Take the good of my realisation that "he's bang on the money" as stronger than the bad of my recent distance from him. I've explained my comment, explained where it came from, and expressed what I feel about your attitude towards me. I genuinely and without sarcasm or malice wish you and yours the best, but I'm done here.
"It was the money-lenders that Christ threw out of the temple, not the gays..." a truly classic line.
I am going to quote that at people. I've never thought about that before. Billy is a genius.
Top man Bill, respect from Ireland 🇮🇪
If you ever get the chance to see Billy in concert then take it. He's a terrific performer. And a wonderful singer, his voice is beautiful.
True. You will come away as a believer.
He's an attention-seeking misogynist as evidenced by his tweets.
Billy bragg is a love songwriter, its a love of the undervalued in society.
An illuminating interview with thoughtful and intelligent questions from the presenter bringing out the best from BB.
The only problem was that the interviewer systematically cut Billy off to ask the next question before Bragg fully answered the first question. The classy guy he is, Bragg didn't complain, just rolled with it.
He's so damn right, and deeply human, it is so good to listen, especially the thoughts about cynism strike!
C'mon people it's more important than ever to unite and not let us divide.
It's sad to read these badass comments here, for what?!
Ding dong the witch is dead? Works for me 👽
Keep pushing on, keep at it. GBY Billy
This is an extraordinary interview. You have a great way with your subject - very calm, very thoughtful questions. Thank you for your work.
It's a long time since I've seen such an articulate interview. Billy is, of course, fantastic, but kudos too to Jian G for giving his subject the space to talk openly and for leading the interview so well.
Totally agree
from barcelona..thank you studio "q"& sir william!
My grandfather lost his job because of Thatcher.
+Che Guevara Your grandfather died a long time ago, Che. lol.
And there lay the rub. We should not forget but always remember,that way we stand to change the status quo. I lived in Thatchers Britain in the eighties and only the greedy and foreigners think she was wonderful.
ianmedium People like because of the whole Fawklands war but the Fawklands were defended by the brave men of the British armed forces not Thatcher.
My entire family got out of multi-generational poverty because of Thatcher.
Your grandfather should have just got another job. No wonder he produced a whining victim like you
John Smith my favourite person on UA-cam.....
very smart, articulate man.
Tells like it is for those that want to hear the truth
His songs hit home_"Between the wars" "There is power in a union", "Sexuality", "A New England". Try listening to them
And Levi Stubb’s Tears
Thanks for that reflection about your Mum Billy. Lost my Da in 2016 and am struggling to hold on to the purpose I always thought I inherited from him.
"Telling it like it is!!"
Very inspirational. "The antidote to cynicism is activism" and he talks about how it IS a struggle, no one said it wouldn't be. I know after running in three elections as the Green Party candidate, I got cynical and I figured the party is better off in the hands of young hopefuls rather than me. LOVED Billy then and I love him now.
The gig he did after thatcher quit was Belfast. He walked on stage holding the belfast telegraph at head height. He was a very happy man and did a great set
NICE T-SHIRT! The pride of my home town :) Seeing Billy Bragg live today here in Amsterdam. Bless
The last 5 minutes of this is worth watching by anyone
no, though I can't imagine I'll be that helpful now- how was your year?
Thought he handled the question about how he felt the moment he heard of Thatcher's death very well. No triumphalism unlike the rest of us ! Thank god the witch is dead !
Can you please retile this video"Billy Bragg on changing the world"?
It deserves so much more than a Marget Thatcher reference.
Wow hes talking about UKIP in 2013, predicting the threat of Brexit. Very smart man
Why does the interviewer keep cutting Billy off? Too busy wanting to hear his own "enhanced" voice?
go on billy boy,bet you had a large smile and a drink,most of the country did
No Comment is the best comment for Thatcher
Ding dong the witch is dead. That's really what I expected him to say if not sing!
He is far higher than that.
@@reasonrules4165 That's true but I'm not sure I'd have had that same level of self-control/class had I been Billy Bragg. The fact is that while I am a conservative myself I firmly believe Thatcher was a disaster for this country and we are STILL suffering from the effects of her legacy. I don't dispute her enormous impact on British politics or that she did some good things in her time in office but they are far outweighed by the deep and still present divisions she either created or increased. Frankly I think she did as much damage to the cause of true conservatism as she did to the unions and Labour. Look at the incompetent far right clowns in office now and their hangers on who've led us into Brexit with lies and have completely botched the handling of covid every single step of the way. I never imagined a Conservative Prime Minister and Cabinet could be so blatantly dishonest and so evidently inept in my wildest nightmares. In truth we have only had one decent person in number 10 since Thatcher and that was John Major. Cameron was weak, May was outflanked and allowed herself to be taken down by the far right instead of squashing it like a bug when she had the chance and Boris is the only politician in the western world who makes Donald Trump look possibly sane.
Anyway, rant over. I want MY Conservative Party back and can only hope there are enough of us moderates left to do something about it as soon as possible.
With hindsight there is a very curious parrallel between the rise of thatcherism and punk rock in the late 1970s.
Both were a reaction to a very dysfunctional society that people were sick of.
Correction his birth name is Stephen William Bragg.
Collectivism, absolutely agree👍
I like this interviewer. I've seen a few of his interviews and he's really very good at what he does.
Disagree. He wants to be the cleverest in the room.
Science is a process of finding the truth. But I love me some Billy.
Hear he has a nice gaff down Devon somewhere, I guess we are not in Dagenham anymore Toto.
"This dude." But he knows the name of the guy from The National.
Sigh. People under 30 depress the shit out of me.
Im 21 and I think that guy is an idiot too
On polititics we are obsessed with leaders and not who put them there.' Maggie was put in three times by the public. She didn't lead a coup, she was a mandated leader. I don't like or approve of her but remember why she was there.
So fuckn right, ORGANISE
Mando Diao. Heck yeah, Jian!
I never thought I'd say this but damn, Billy is actually pretty hot.
And as a separate issue to this interviewer, its a bit daft to be saying Margaret Thatcher's death was like a celebrity dying as if that is a strange thing: what is the reaction in America when a former President dies? I remember there being a media scrum around John McCain dying and he wasn't even President. Say what you want about Maggie (I didn't live in England when she was PM so I don't have strong feelings about her) but she was the country's first female Prime Minister and stood eye to eye with Reagan and the various Russian presidents. She's an icon of the 1980s. So yes, of course it is like a celebrity dying.
thanks for the extra pint
This video made me realise that Billy did not really understand anything he was talking about.
The average person being made to pay for the mistakes of the global banking conglomerate. Most insightful.
His words around organization being so important echo the words that Obama uses so often - the frustration is evident in both of them.
80;s Dr Robert song/songwriter from UK , have song from the about Margert T, ie Digging your scene. is famous one ,check it out on youtube.
If William Stephen Bragg,lived in Australia, he would be an ALP supporter,and definitely not a Liberal Party supporter!.
"KBO" - "Keep Buggering On"
Love his music, like him as a person, dislike his politics. Two out of three isn't bad.
+Jack Rackham, thanks for voicing your opinion without the vitriol. Stay classy.
Jian Ghomeshi?
Some man
Why did Ghomeshi turn out to be... questionable. He was such a damn good interviewer.
He beats around the bush a lot but if you are willing to parse all the yammering out, the relevant exchange is:
"What was your first reaction to news of Thatcher's death?"
"...celebration..."
"What was your first, emotional, reaction?"
"...joy..."
xD
ROTFLMFAO
Musicians should stop trying to change the world, they can't ...play your music and move along
Being dismissive about scientific endeavours whilst being recorded for worldwide video recall on devices that would have been Star Trek even in his own childhood? He's able to check his emails in a coffee shop and he's criticising the truth of science? Stick to other topics, Billy. Science, or rather the philosophy of empiricism, testing and peer-review through which hypotheses become working theories capable of impacting the world, gets it done. It IS important. Christ, listening to him talk is like listening to Russell Brand.
With you. Modern media now seems to attach high importance to the wittering of talentless twats. Strumming a fucking guitar now has the possibility to give massive wealth to your grandchildren, through 20 minutes of actual work, because of the current stupid copyright laws.
There not Law's they are act's and what's an act ,it's a song & dance ... !!!
M A N D O D I A O
Why pick on the Higgs Boson? Surely there are a million things to be concerned about than some scientists at Cern doing their jobs? Yes I understand he's pissed off at the media but still...
abolish religion, monetary and secret societies.
>unite the people of earth and create abundance
You know she actually won the vote of no confidence but chose to resign.......just FYI......
so
Did'ya hear that, hyper-individualism, from the perspective of social edification, is a sin...crap, that is gonna be a tough habit to break.
Why the fuck does Billy Bragg like Churchill so much?
You used a lot of propaganda terms in the statement but had very little substance. And then insulted me for disagreeing. I'll be kind and say you're underinformed.
Like I said. Twat.
Pheew, that's a relief then...!
***** yeah all this talk about him being a great hero across the world and the one who identified the cold war. All told by those crazy idiot nutter types called 'people'! dear oh dear
***** Clearly, you are as ignorant and uneducated as you are foul-mouthed. Get an education you ghastly little cretin.
Great guy who made some good music.... Politics wise, he has not matured that much.
Check my original song out on you tube.
Foodbank on the corner...
Champagne socialist
Give up the songs and become a politician as John Lydon should do also.Leave the songs to those of us who know how to do it without being overwhelmingly boring.
"Those of us"? He wrote a handful of brilliant songs. Doubt you could do one finger.
Errr.........this is Billy(-I-Love-multi-cultural-London) Bragg who has moved to Dorset (hideously white) "for the Kids"?
I grew up in the same village as Billy. My father had a close friendship with him as I did with Billy's son. Anything wrong with moving to Dorset to start a family?
I watch Gomer Meshi now and everything i felt about this fraud / misogynist is contained in the image he could never really cover up with his stuttering dopey savant persona.
P.S. i Love Billy Braag
Yes, he saved us all a whole bunch of trouble by burning his own bridges. Persona is so right!
Fantastic to read how so many people here go for the stereotypes. Grow up.
And no; I do not expect an answer and I reserve the right to not respond to stupid uninformed people.
Just play music!! stay out of Debates!!
Love him but celebrating a death... Really?
Someone who supports Billy below says he lives in a BIG HOUSE in an Affluent Area..........that right?..well...
I loved Billy’s music and was listening to Back to Basics today as it happens and was fawning over The Saturday Boy ....and I think he’s a nice bloke but if he lives in a big house in an affluent area then he can no longer with any credit speak about “the ordinary working man”...a phrase itself which is massively outdated
Sterile argument. Someone who has socialist beliefs is not allowed to live in a nice house? Provided they earned it by virtue of their own efforts that's fine by me.
Just like Reagan, I like Thatcher for her foreign policy and don’t like her for her domestic.
Both had truely murderous foreign policies. Does the blood drip from your hands, too?
Oh dear
lol
although i fully and totally disagree with Bragg's points (over the years) I am respectful with his handling of MT's death. He could have been a knucklehead and go for cheap celebrational mob approach and com out with comical hard left nastiness but he didn't while explaining that there was still an opposition either in life or death. Totally 'grown up' and diplomatic. I suspect that behind it all there were some people who have had to go through the death of 'nan'/'grandma' etc. He used politics with a sense of respect. Thanks BB - I really dislike your point of view but fair play you do have a human(e) brain on those shoulders. Might be time to buy a shaver though :-)
***** "Hard right nastiness" - when does the most useful medicine, is also the one that does NOT taste nasty.? The UK was a sick country - it needed nasty medicine - Britain (including Bragg)desperately needed thathcher
the communist must be so proud of Billy.
Ha-ha-ha ! Billy " Lord of the Manor " Bragg. 🤣 What a fraud he is.
Funny, he lives out in the arse end of nowhere in Kent as he moved away from central London yet expects the rest of us just to accept the city filling up with more and more people.
How many is enough Bill, and if you feel so passionate let some live with you!
Haha, he had no issues making a capitalist fortune out of Thatcher. Any of the lefties see the hypocrisy in that?
Achoo!
Get that straw man away from me.
Nob
All parrot answers and buzz words. From Marx to King Billie their all brief little answers of bettor men and women.
He is not even good at his job he can not sing and can not even play.
I Liked Margaret Thatcher and Billy just Margaret Thatcher now. She did more for us then Billy well ever do for us.
***** Just saying what I think.
Thatcher tore the UK apart, with no plans for progress, or respect for history. We now have no manufacturing, just a dog-eat-dog world.
To quote The Wire:
"We used to make shit in this country, build shit. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket" - Reagan screwed the US, while Thatcher screwed the UK.
labour-uncut.co.uk/2013/04/09/why-i-hated-margaret-thatcher/
***** - first point - the sinking of the belgrano - worth watching the film I've forgot the name of to learn more about this
Thatcher made the U.K. A global economy realistically. I just don't agree with how quickly she did it
Billy Bragg is a smart man,very well spoken and understands politics more than the average guy.
Being well spoken doesn't make you smart.
I think he just sees the truth.
He's not that well-spoken and he certainly doesn't understand politics. He lives in a dream world of victimhood and whining. All he does is spread negativity that hurts the working classes.
@@Jmith-su3ze And the Tories don't hurt the working class...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's hilarious
Billy Brag, what a wonderful human being, deepest respect to him.
Thatcher? That thing was complete piece of schitt
+Ben Angel
You know she wanted to be cremated.......
But sadly there is no coal left.
We could use fireworks...
What a good bloke.
Watching this on the day the Tories won the 2019 election...
Holy shit! This dude looks exactly like Matt Berninger (who was also in Qtv with The National) o.o
Well, excuse me (sarcasm) for not knowing who Billy Bragg is. In fact, I didn't watch the video because of him but his resemblance to Matt Berninger, does it bother you? Well, that's your problem.
>People under 30 depress the shit out of me.
Is that an opinion or a pathetic attempt at making someone feel bad for not sharing the same knowledge/taste like you? Oh wait, I do know! You were trying to sound like a superior person, of course! it's the Internet after all.
This comparison might be a leap, but I put Billy with my other great hero - Stompin' Tom.
Listen to any of their interviews or albums, and you will be struck by the their humanity. Not their politics, not their music, but their plain, straight-forward honesty.
(And before you dish Tom as a hick, listen a bit beyond the country manners and speech, he was a sharp guy that could hold his own in any circumstance.)
All the information desperately needs to be DIRECTLY ACTED UPON!
Wake up? GTFU and do something!
really?
Doesnt mean he meant anything about the thatcher govetnment,
He is forgetting that the reason we ended up as we did in the 70's and 80's was because the unions kept calling strikes. I lived through it. The end result was that the UK went from being an industrial powerhouse up the the late 60's to becoming the sick man of Europe by the time the Tories took office. Manufacturing went abroad where it was cheaper and people would rather have work than not. Blaming Thatcher is disingenuous at best and a lie at worst. We are reaping the results of Labour giving in to force, the Unions, instead of doing what was best for the country. We recently had another 12 years of it during which New Labour kissed American ass at the expense of our servicemen and involved us in an illegal war which was none of our business.
Billy Bragg wrote some good, heartfelt songs, but he has bought into the left's propaganda and now he is stuck with it. If socialism was so good, why did Stalin kill over 30 million good communists? People also tend to forget that the Nazis were National Socialists and as far from the right as you can get. Socialism is all about the state knowing what's best even when it obviously isn't.
Everyone prospers under a low tax regime but only the poor suffer under high taxation. The rich hire accountants to make sure they pay less tax, poor people can't. For some reason the left bellieve you can spend your way out of debt but when bankers do the same thing it's somehow morally wrong.
Not everything Thatcher's government did was good but neither was it all bad. If you believe otherwise you either weren't there or are willfully ignorant of what really happened.
He's also forgetting that he's in an industry that rewards people "forever" for 5 minutes of effort. Write a song which becomes a hit & you are rewarded for life........ You never have to "work" ever again. You can spout political bollocks as much as you like, but the truth is you are now "provided for" by modern copyright. - Fuck off and get a real job. Your political comments mean fuck nothing.
neilgreatorex
Neither do yours.
neilgreatorex and what's your real job I wonder?
The other problem with management, which has developed since the 60's, is wanting instant profits instead of developing markets in the long term which is how the Japanese managed following the war. Anything not giving an instant return has been deemed inefficient and sold off.
Successive governments and union militants have also managed to price the British worker out of the market with high wages and low productivity.
It has seemed, for the past 20 years or so, that governments of all stripes want nothing to do with manufacturing or manual labour, including selling off industries which should have remained under state control, such as the power companies, water, sewage, and public transport. Short term gain, when they were sold, long term loss because they are owned and controlled by foreigners who milk the British while giving people in their own countries cheaper products.
I'm one of them as well, apart from two years, for reasons totally out of my control, I have been either in work or full time education all my life. Often on low wages in poor working conditions. You have to pay the mortgage and put food on the table when you have a family.
Thatcher was evil. Endlessly. And yeah it's typecast Billy as a political singer. But it introduces them to him... and then....
he may live in a Dorset "mansion" , pity he can't spend some money on his teeth .
awsome
i hate mt for what she did to the miners but then love her for standing up to ira child killers and doing what needed doing when fellow brits got invaded by the argys
Oh yes ,you can't put in pounds and pennies your need for a united country
Woody Guthrie and Joe Hill would turn in their graves at Bragg's betrayal of the working class in his condemnation of their reaction to Thatcherism, Thatcher and her polices in the wake of her death.
Romany Blythe
The tiger calling for vegetarianism. All those years down the mine in the dark must have puddled his brain, oh no wait.
UKIP are what Thatcher stood for hahaha do you even know politics?
+SKNGLY Much like UKIP, she talked the talk about abstaining from Europe,but at the same time sold out the whole country.hardly actions of someone who opposes it. UKIP talk the talk of independence,but know theyre fucked if they ever win.Just a circus of charlatans the lot of them.Same auld shite
I continually disagree with everything in his increasing detached rambling, despite loving him back in 2005.. but he's bang on the money about the Thatcher reaction.
Wow, it's like you've known me all my life! Oh wait, no it's not.
He *has* become more detached over the last decade. He used to be all about rights and oppression but now it's more like he attacks anything he finds confusing or hard to research. Hell, it's pretty much the entire concept of Tooth & Nail, that idea of being left behind.
That's my personal opinion anyway. That's why my username and a little picture of my face are next to it.
I mean his mode of address is detached. He used to drill down into detail but lately whatever he discusses he does so in a very glib and fleeting matter. He has himself confessed in interview to being overwhelmed by the wealth of information that create a false illusion of "knowing" things, and openly expressed specialist-skepticism (that's when you can't accept information or detail from a specialist because you can't accept that anyone but a specialist could understand it).
Don't tell me that "No One Knows Nothing Anymore" isn't about just that.
Considering my intitial comment was about my being pleased that Billy had said something recent that I agree with, when I used to agree with him so much more, I don't really appreciate the negative corner you've decide to make me stand in, especially given the assumptions you've made on a total stranger.
I have absolutely no idea why you are so angry about this. I have absolutely no idea why you've decided for yourself what I think about subjects I haven't mentioned. I feel like if I said I didn't like his shoes you'd accuse me of wanting him dead.
I wasn't condemning him or damning him, only expressing my own increasing lack of accord with what he says and how he says it, and in the initial comment, being pleased I could agree with him again.
For a glib comment made 2 months ago about an event 9 months ago, I think you are putting far too much stock and attention into this.
You've again gone and assumed that I don't know these things, and don't support what Billy Bragg and others do in relation to them. "He's a good bloke" yes I agree and was commenting more on the increased gulf between me and him (without apportioning blame) than putting the man down. Take the good of my realisation that "he's bang on the money" as stronger than the bad of my recent distance from him.
I've explained my comment, explained where it came from, and expressed what I feel about your attitude towards me. I genuinely and without sarcasm or malice wish you and yours the best, but I'm done here.