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Stay safe out there everyone, always wear gear. In June I was on my Kaabo Wolf 11 and a F-150 pulled out in front of me turning into my lane, I panic breaked and came off the scooter at 40mph and hit the truck and broke my foot in 8 places. Metal plate in there now, still not walking right. Had all gear on including a bookbag which probably saved my back, but only had steel toe shoes on. I'd argue one should consider a riding boot, to help save the foot from what I went through. Practice very hard breaking as well. Although I was so close, I am not sure anyone could have stopped it in time. Will never know. Not trying to be a downer and dissuade people from riding, just saying WEAR GEAR ALWAYS. I'd be much worse without all the gear I had on.
Damn bro, well I’m glad you’re safe and alive. Yeah one those motorcycle boots is a must at those speeds. I ride my Dualtron Thunder on parks, trails, just away from cars. I can’t afford getting hit by a vehicle.
@@razorraysolarsavings70 I was very glad, I had invested in decent shin, knee and elbow guards. Had a motorcycle grade helmet on. All of them most certainly saved me from further injury. I just wish I could have stayed on, I think I got to a point in the travel of the front brake leaver where it locked the front wheel, in my absolute desperation to try to stop. But at 40ish, I definitely was clearing the 25ish foot distance in less than a second, almost zero time to react. Literally all I remember was processing the truck in my lane, brake, flipping and sliding. Scary stuff. For sure stay away from the cars haha.
Well keep in mind gear is ment to keep you alive not uninjured... I rode motorcycle cars some things that need to be unspoken lol. You live that means job done.
In this video you mentioned PMT Tires twice. I have a set of PMT Tires on my 72v 35a BlueTrans Lightning and the tires are amazing, so much better than stock tires. If you put a set of PMT Tires on the Dualtron Storm Limited you just reviewed you will not be disappointed. For the scooter community if you own a high end scooter running stock tires the quality of your riding experience is night and day. The PMT Tires are pricy but so so worth it. One scooter head to the next.
Right on, I have the same scooter. Never seen anyone talk about the Bluetran Lighting, amazing scooter for the price. I ended up putting tubeless tires from dt 3 on mine not sure if I like how it feels
That’s where I got my PMT Tires from WYRD RYDS and at the time was the only place I could get the tires domestic which kinda needs to change. James that is very cool you have the BlueTrans if you switch to the PMT’s you will not regret it and they do make them for tubeless. Have you upgraded your front suspension from adjustable to fixed? It’s a must do for the BlueTrans. And William contact WYRD RYDS I’m pretty sure they carry the PMT’s you need.
@@terrycotton4933 Hey there yes I have both front and rear upgraded to fixed. That is the way they are sold from minimoters now It is considered version 3 now. I talked to John over there for about an hour before i bought mine about 4 months ago
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Great job Paul! Very informative and straight forward review. Looking forward to your Dualtron X Limited review. Looks like Dualtron has really taken over the hyper scooter market.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks Paul. Considering the amount of footage I've posted on the Dualtron X2, I'm partially of the mind to think that I should be the ambassador of the Dualtron X line! 😂 I would have purchased the X-Limited as soon as it dropped but I'm up to my ears with my investment in the Rion Thrust still pending. My good friend Gal has kept in touch with me to reassure me that I'll have the Rion Thrust soon and all I'll say for now is that the hyper-scooter world will be shocked and naysayers will be silenced. I'm optimistic but I can't help but to visualize myself on the X-Limited if things don't work out.
One thing I don't like about Dualtron is that short stem. Not sure why they do this for every models. Not sure if I want to purchase one do to this. Anyhoo, great video fam.😁
@8o神o8 good to know. 10 years ago I'd mod anything, but these days I do like when things like this come perfect. The stem noise and flex is my other issue. Tough issue on scooters.
I recommend doing maybe 30-50mph acceleration test instead of 0-30? Wheels cant get traction even with 5000w and really comes down to stance and throttle control when taking off from 0.
Interesting idea. It's possible to get something close to that from the ESG database. Select "show ESG performance data" and then subtract the 0 to 20 time from the 0 to 40 time. I still like 0 to 30 a lot, because it feels relevant (wheel spin and all) when I'm pulling out into traffic. -Paul electric-scooter.guide/comparisons/compare-electric-scooters/
Great Video Paul, this needs a riser and a lower price lol. The Wolf Gt Looks more appetizing, although i knw the Storm may have a bit better/more components.
Thanks for another great review Paul! It is cool to see the evolution of e-scooters. I am glad I had an opportunity to ride the early dual power scooters during my PEV journey. I still ride hyper portable scooters for some of my use cases (i.e. going to gym and quick errands near the house). There is a fun factor diminishing returns for me when it comes to scooters. Adding speed just never really increased the fun factor. I find it kinda boring to ride scooters for prolonged periods of time at any speed. At the power scooter speeds I would rather just ride a motorcycle since you have already lost real portability. Hence, I just went back to the Mosquito class scooters that can hit 25MPH, get enough range and are ultra portable for throwing them in the trunk or mixed modal transport (i.e. BART and Caltrain). The hands-free, skill-based riding of electric unicycles for me has been on a completely different level of fun and engagement. Now, that I have thousands of miles of riding EUC and can keep up with traffic getting around San Francisco is just magical now. Riding anywhere on an EUC is just magical and continues to get better with time and increased capabilities (both rider and EUC). I have watched a very steady transition from power e-bikes, e-scooters, and e-skateboards to EUC. The big group rides I have been participating in have far fewer power-scooters and power e-bikes these days. Many of my fellow riders have sold their scooters, e-bikes, and e-skateboards to get into EUCs and the trend has only accelerated over the past 3 years.
Agreed, I love scooters and I own a shop selling em. Im more of an eskate dude, but then again I got a machine doing 60mph, I also have 3 kids and I mostly never go past 30 sometimes 40 because its so easy to get into an accident and tbh what im after is the city surfing feel. As an old snowboarder living where theres no snow now this is the closest I can get. Some great music in the ear and just glide. And EUC has that effect too, great feeling as you're becoming one with the ride. Great comment btw.
Stay safe scooter fam.. I highly recommend everyone cams up. Get yourself a cheap GoPro or similar. Have had multiple close calls due to driver car error. Caught all on my GoPro max.
You guys always get your stats wrong this is not a 59mph scooter my dualtron ultra 2 has way less power and hits 60mph no problem the ey3 speedometer is very accurate where do u get your stats from!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide no its not the dualtrons have the most accurate speedometers its more accurate then a GPS app i tested it with my BMW i put the GPS speedometer app on and i did 50mph and the GPS speedometer always read 2 to 3mph slower and the dualtron speedometer always read 2 to 3mph more which matches it up perfectly with the BMW speedometer even my wolf warrior 11+ is perfectly accurate so don't tell me its off lmao a 72v dualtron storm does only 51mph 🤣🤣😅
speaking with dualtron greece, the official retailer of all minimotors, nami electric and tromox products for greece, dualtrons should never be used under heavy rain, personally I rode my dt thunder 2 under light rain many times but not under heavy rain, the main problem is the heat sink of the controllers and the ey3 throttle, the latter can be fixed by buying a "kapoteks" ey3 cover and I would recommend it since 25$ is objectively better than a possible 110$ damage, there seems to be no reliable way to waterproof the heatsink and if you manage to do so you will compromise it's cooling capability so from my experience if you live in places where it rains a lot a nami or a kaboo are the only options in this price range, here in greece heavy rain is uncommon so I manage to have riding capable wheather at least 280 days of the year so im absolutely fine by it but for those who live in countries with wet climates then pls don't buy a dualtron because you sooner or later will end up with several hundred dollars of damage that are not warranty covered. Dualtron themselves say that their scooters are extremely beefy but long term exposure to water will take them down. Other than that for those who end up buying a dualtron, be known that in a city environment with the appropriate p9 setting you can cover any commute need you gonna have, be 5 to 6 hours in a row delivering, especially with the bigger ones and Im really happy that they do give higher batteries with their high powered scooters cause these things consume through battery like butter when they go full speed (my dt thunder 2 in a city environment manages little over 60 kilometers with full power, probably because of the frequent stop and start and my weight which is 1-5 kg (231 lbs) but even with my light obesity I can stretch my battery to 100 kilometers by limiting my top speed to 50-60 kmh and travelling outskirts where the are plenty of straights and less traffic. The reason Im saying the above is because I have seen that with these escooters range is compromised massively as you get closer to their weight limit so I think it is a good idea to start doing an additional range test to these with a driver close to their weight limit(stock suspension). Other than that a great review of yet another solid offering by minimotors and I can't wait for the x limited review as it seems absolutely bongers
Chuck is a full time Dad these days. I miss him too. We keep in touch though. I wish someone would bring me an 80 mph scooter! The X Limited is fast, but not that fast! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide that was my initial thought that he's probably busy with something important! Thanks for letting us know - and if ever someone finally brings in an 80mph Scooter, do it at the track with asphalt!
You’ve got to try the newer version of this exact same scooter, the stem is WAAAAAY THICKER, it has now the EYE4, two 30 watt lights and a few other things as well, just as an IPX5 rating now… you should really give a deep look though
I'm not a fan of Dualtron.. special of double tap... either vsett has the same system but with button.. much better... Also from 84v battery I was waiting bigger top speed.. But I have to admire, sound of motors is like opera for my ears...😁😘
I had one of the defective ones before selling it to get a Burn E. Couple of takeaways, that I will mention here. The front of the scooter and the steering is super light, you will need the steer damper. The suspension is really not good for this price point, Dualtron needs to get with the program and add an adjustable suspension that is closer to the Burn E. Still have the creaky stem, and the rear foot rest is seperate from the body so every bump your going to feel in that rear foot. Handlebars are pretty thin, if your a bigger person or someone with wide shoulders you might not like them.
I’m not a big fan of the double click throttle idea. I think Kaabo is the better of the two. You can get a WKGT now for $3200. It’s honestly a better scooter
I would've bought this but the bad reviews of the first batch and it's size/weight turned me off and purchased the T2 instead. I kind of wish now I would've waited a bit more but I've been waiting to get a Dualtron since 2017 Ultra, lol!
Love your video guys but i have a 72v 80ah scooter with 80a x 2 controller and 7500 x 2 motors, a 24 x 13 inches deck and its faster and has longer range plus more led lights than the limited but then again after i bought it i diy the whole scooter. I posted it on my channel
Just curious on your top speed runs did you double click both directions and do you remember what temperature the outside was when you ran it? Also the slow start P setting has more selections now so if you run level 5 on P7 the acceleration is much tamer and very very smooth
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank you Paul. The top speed seems odd then. 72V 100A vs. 84V 120A (peak) same tires, roughly same weight... Seems DSL should have gone faster all things considered. Wondering if the Wolf King GT test day for top speed was the ambient temp/wind the same as the day you did the DSL? that's the only thing that would make sense to me (if it was much cooler the day you did the DSL), besides using different test courses maybe... Doesn't really matter... they're both fast and I picked up a DSL anyway, but just seems a bit odd especially with the higher 11,500W peak of the DSL...
Kind of looking for some advice. I'm in the process of doing a lot of research on scooters. I'm gonna be buying one in the next few weeks. My price range ranges from 7000 to a little more than $10000 rang looking at the Dueltron and weped And one that you're riding? I'm leaving my options open, and I'm looking at every detail, and there was a few that I found with the red flag. not saying which if you can. What would you recommend?
To have tested the dualtron storm limited compared to the ultra 2 I think they have quite similar accelerations but the Storm Limited gains in Vmax because of larger coils and magnets at the motors.
The GT2? That's a great question. To be completely honest, I think it's because I tend to lean on my graphs of tested top speed vs price, tested range vs price, Top speed vs weight, etc in order to find the closest competitors near a given price, but if I keep doing that I'm going to forever overlook the ride quality and build quality of the GT2 which *is* truly outstanding. I rode the GT2 back to back with the Wolf King GT an Storm Limited last week and while it's not as brutally quick, it definitely deserves to be considered because it's just so well engineered. I'll think about that the next time I put a list of competitors together. Thanks for the comment. Always something to learn in every comments section. -Paul
With a tested two-direction top speed of 59.9mph it falls just short of having a 0 to 60, but the 0 to 30 time can be compared with all of the fastest scooters we've tested here: ua-cam.com/video/kxkrpPZQfAc/v-deo.htmlsi=vgpb7Yy4Qo82lC_X&t=569 The video covers the top speeds as well. -Paul
Fastest what? My storm hits 62 np on flat ground with a seat kit and me being 200lbs and wearing a backpack. The limited , if your settings are correct and that is key has to beat that. However regardless of what the original storm is advertised as having on a new fully charged battery the voltage reads 83.7. That is basically 84 although it is not exactly 84 which is why they advertise it as 72 but a nominal 72. I would tell anyone if their storm or storm limited is not hitting those speeds call minimotors usa and ask them how to max out your settings. It is not simply turn off eco and put it in 3. There is a battery drain setting that can be set to give your scooter max power every time you squeeze the trigger. This will only give you 30 mile range but allow one to reach those speeds. Especially with the limited if its advertised to hit 70mph it will but at that point its a matter of if you should or not. That is why I got the seat kit.
4k+ USD scooters with square wave controllers, some have sine wave... I suppose no settings for ramping times, motor/battery amps, different power for front vs back... VESC controllers have been out for many years and these scooters still use these medieval ones , that's a crime...
Rion scooters are hyperscooters everything else is just a rectangle box with wheels and weighs 2x as much and takes 4x longer to recharge battery oh and rion still fastest accelerating and highest top speed . Just gotta get in the waiting line which is about a year before delivery 😂,
Weped are crazy expensive and just 10mph higher top speed over wolf king gt or the better Nami bern-e 2 max which gets to 62 mph quicker than gt and better off road . Either those 2 are best available option for ppl after 100kph scooter .
Thunder II went 58.6mph and Storm (72V) went 51.3 Hi Jose, Both are very close on acceleration numbers, but Thunder II is a little quicker to most speeds. -Paul
Dualtron has got to drop that archaic EY3/4 screen! It sucks and is just so outdated! Dualtron has other issues but I will never consider a Dualtron as long as they fail to upgrade their E-Scooter's screen! I do love the new controls cluster on the left side of the cockpit, so I'm not sure why they haven't improved on their Itty bitty little old fashioned screen!
Where do you get your stats from thats what i don't like about your channel you always get the top speed and range wrong the reg 72v dualtron storm does not do only 51mph try more like 58mph my dualtron ultra 2 tops out at 62mph with a full battery get your stats right!
We use GPS verified speeds on professional equipment and do multiple runs few with the wind and few against the wind and use the average. Almost all factory scooter speedometers are off by usually 10%! -Vosk
It's kind of crazy how much performance per dollar the Wolf King GT delivers! Surprisingly, the Storm Limited's battery is so big it still beats the Wolf King GT when it comes to Watt-hours vs dollars! -Paul
Nami bern-e 2 max beats wolf gt in drag race and better off road durability, and with single carbon fibre stem vs dual stem on wolf gt it's far quicker to fold . Both basically same price . Imo if happy spending x amount on either above I'd just save up another 33% and buy a rion re90-80 or thrust and feel great knowing it'll take a decade before something catches up to performance,light weight and insanely short battery charging time of rion scooters, 140+kph 35 kg weight with 2.5 hr recharge time vs 100-110 kph 50-65kg 8hr recharge using dual charger set-up 👉🤪💨, .
Yeah don’t but this scooter people i learned the hard way. Just blew the controller on mine by just going like 25mph at a low headwind and it just blew ot and ive owned it less than 4 months
Sometimes I'm surprised we've made it this far! I think it's because the high performance scooters are expensive enough that only serious riders buy them. Get one while you still can! ;-) -Paul
I've been hesitant to purchase one only because the next generation batteries will arrive in May 2023. The price is so low still to high. $5,000 is ridiculously high for such poor distance and heavy weight. This would have to drop $2000. Eco Bicycles with better range and performance.
A complete waste of money. I can guarantee that the are no scooter riders that regularly ride over 35 mph for sustained distances. Even experienced racers do not maintain over 50 mph while racing. Scooters just do not provide adequate base of support stability for this kind of speed.
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Stay safe out there everyone, always wear gear. In June I was on my Kaabo Wolf 11 and a F-150 pulled out in front of me turning into my lane, I panic breaked and came off the scooter at 40mph and hit the truck and broke my foot in 8 places. Metal plate in there now, still not walking right. Had all gear on including a bookbag which probably saved my back, but only had steel toe shoes on. I'd argue one should consider a riding boot, to help save the foot from what I went through. Practice very hard breaking as well. Although I was so close, I am not sure anyone could have stopped it in time. Will never know. Not trying to be a downer and dissuade people from riding, just saying WEAR GEAR ALWAYS. I'd be much worse without all the gear I had on.
Thanks for sharing! Stay Safe out there.
-Vosk
Damn bro, well I’m glad you’re safe and alive. Yeah one those motorcycle boots is a must at those speeds. I ride my Dualtron Thunder on parks, trails, just away from cars. I can’t afford getting hit by a vehicle.
@@razorraysolarsavings70 I was very glad, I had invested in decent shin, knee and elbow guards. Had a motorcycle grade helmet on. All of them most certainly saved me from further injury. I just wish I could have stayed on, I think I got to a point in the travel of the front brake leaver where it locked the front wheel, in my absolute desperation to try to stop. But at 40ish, I definitely was clearing the 25ish foot distance in less than a second, almost zero time to react. Literally all I remember was processing the truck in my lane, brake, flipping and sliding. Scary stuff. For sure stay away from the cars haha.
Glad you're OK bro!
Well keep in mind gear is ment to keep you alive not uninjured... I rode motorcycle cars some things that need to be unspoken lol. You live that means job done.
In this video you mentioned PMT Tires twice. I have a set of PMT Tires on my 72v 35a BlueTrans Lightning and the tires are amazing, so much better than stock tires. If you put a set of PMT Tires on the Dualtron Storm Limited you just reviewed you will not be disappointed. For the scooter community if you own a high end scooter running stock tires the quality of your riding experience is night and day. The PMT Tires are pricy but so so worth it. One scooter head to the next.
Great to know! WYRD RYDS sent me a pile of them, but I haven’t had time to install and test them yet! I’m dying to check them out! -Paul
Right on, I have the same scooter. Never seen anyone talk about the Bluetran Lighting, amazing scooter for the price. I ended up putting tubeless tires from dt 3 on mine not sure if I like how it feels
Will PMT tyres fit the Wolf Warrior X plus?
That’s where I got my PMT Tires from WYRD RYDS and at the time was the only place I could get the tires domestic which kinda needs to change. James that is very cool you have the BlueTrans if you switch to the PMT’s you will not regret it and they do make them for tubeless. Have you upgraded your front suspension from adjustable to fixed? It’s a must do for the BlueTrans. And William contact WYRD RYDS I’m pretty sure they carry the PMT’s you need.
@@terrycotton4933 Hey there yes I have both front and rear upgraded to fixed. That is the way they are sold from minimoters now It is considered version 3 now. I talked to John over there for about an hour before i bought mine about 4 months ago
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Wow, thanks!
Yes thats right guys wear gears at each outing even its twi blocs away danger is allways present till you discover its location 🤜🏽🤛
At this price, they should have gone with Molicel cells. Scooter looks great, and I really like the higher voltage. Cheers.
Cheers Bud! -Paul
That deck has more real estate than some peoples apartments .
Lol true that! It is massive. -Vosk
Looks real nice. For the $ I'd expect a light and better display imo. Thanks guys!
Thanks for commenting Jamey! -Paul
Finally a good review of this scooter.
Thanks so much! -Paul
I’m still in love with my kaabo, dual forks and hasn’t had any issues on my wolf king GT.
ILL BE ADDING MORE CONTENT SOON, check out my older videos.
Thanks for sharing! -Vosk
Great job Paul! Very informative and straight forward review. Looking forward to your Dualtron X Limited review. Looks like Dualtron has really taken over the hyper scooter market.
John! You've been top of mind this week and I've been watching your videos this week as I study up on the versions leading up to the X-Limited. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks Paul. Considering the amount of footage I've posted on the Dualtron X2, I'm partially of the mind to think that I should be the ambassador of the Dualtron X line! 😂 I would have purchased the X-Limited as soon as it dropped but I'm up to my ears with my investment in the Rion Thrust still pending.
My good friend Gal has kept in touch with me to reassure me that I'll have the Rion Thrust soon and all I'll say for now is that the hyper-scooter world will be shocked and naysayers will be silenced.
I'm optimistic but I can't help but to visualize myself on the X-Limited if things don't work out.
@@johnrichardson5089 have you got the Rion? Any video reviews
Phenomenally detailed review. Don't think anyone could have reviewed it better.
One thing I don't like about Dualtron is that short stem. Not sure why they do this for every models. Not sure if I want to purchase one do to this. Anyhoo, great video fam.😁
Thanks so much. It’s super easy to make it taller though, with bar risers. -Paul
Wide deck, short stem.
The deck is big enough to put a lounge chair on.
Awesome range! I wish they offered different options for throttle, finger is my least favorite. Thorough review, thanks!
Thanks so much GW Garage! -Paul
You can always change that to a variety of thumb throttles after you buy it
@8o神o8 good to know. 10 years ago I'd mod anything, but these days I do like when things like this come perfect. The stem noise and flex is my other issue. Tough issue on scooters.
Just upgrade the display and throttle after you buy it. Super easy and affordable upgrade.
@dcscreenworks I ended up going with a GT2, but still love learning about all other models. Thanks.
I recommend doing maybe 30-50mph acceleration test instead of 0-30? Wheels cant get traction even with 5000w and really comes down to stance and throttle control when taking off from 0.
Interesting idea. It's possible to get something close to that from the ESG database. Select "show ESG performance data" and then subtract the 0 to 20 time from the 0 to 40 time.
I still like 0 to 30 a lot, because it feels relevant (wheel spin and all) when I'm pulling out into traffic. -Paul
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Great Video Paul, this needs a riser and a lower price lol. The Wolf Gt Looks more appetizing, although i knw the Storm may have a bit better/more components.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
This review was much needed. Thank you.
Thanks so much for the kind words! -Vosk
Respect the honesty about the Stem Creak .
Thanks! Every single Dualtron so far has been the same! Easy fix, but surprising they don’t just ship it pre-lubed. -Paul
ESG’s best review of any scooter. Great job!
Wow! Thanks so much for the kind words! -Vosk
Thanks for another great review Paul! It is cool to see the evolution of e-scooters. I am glad I had an opportunity to ride the early dual power scooters during my PEV journey. I still ride hyper portable scooters for some of my use cases (i.e. going to gym and quick errands near the house). There is a fun factor diminishing returns for me when it comes to scooters. Adding speed just never really increased the fun factor. I find it kinda boring to ride scooters for prolonged periods of time at any speed. At the power scooter speeds I would rather just ride a motorcycle since you have already lost real portability. Hence, I just went back to the Mosquito class scooters that can hit 25MPH, get enough range and are ultra portable for throwing them in the trunk or mixed modal transport (i.e. BART and Caltrain).
The hands-free, skill-based riding of electric unicycles for me has been on a completely different level of fun and engagement. Now, that I have thousands of miles of riding EUC and can keep up with traffic getting around San Francisco is just magical now. Riding anywhere on an EUC is just magical and continues to get better with time and increased capabilities (both rider and EUC). I have watched a very steady transition from power e-bikes, e-scooters, and e-skateboards to EUC. The big group rides I have been participating in have far fewer power-scooters and power e-bikes these days. Many of my fellow riders have sold their scooters, e-bikes, and e-skateboards to get into EUCs and the trend has only accelerated over the past 3 years.
Thanks for your thoughtful and comprehensive comment! -Paul
Agreed, I love scooters and I own a shop selling em. Im more of an eskate dude, but then again I got a machine doing 60mph, I also have 3 kids and I mostly never go past 30 sometimes 40 because its so easy to get into an accident and tbh what im after is the city surfing feel. As an old snowboarder living where theres no snow now this is the closest I can get. Some great music in the ear and just glide. And EUC has that effect too, great feeling as you're becoming one with the ride. Great comment btw.
Stay safe scooter fam.. I highly recommend everyone cams up. Get yourself a cheap GoPro or similar. Have had multiple close calls due to driver car error. Caught all on my GoPro max.
Cool! Thangs for sharing. -Vosk
You guys always get your stats wrong this is not a 59mph scooter my dualtron ultra 2 has way less power and hits 60mph no problem the ey3 speedometer is very accurate where do u get your stats from!
The scooter speedometer is usually 10% off! We use professional equipment with gps verified speeds. -Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide no its not the dualtrons have the most accurate speedometers its more accurate then a GPS app i tested it with my BMW i put the GPS speedometer app on and i did 50mph and the GPS speedometer always read 2 to 3mph slower and the dualtron speedometer always read 2 to 3mph more which matches it up perfectly with the BMW speedometer even my wolf warrior 11+ is perfectly accurate so don't tell me its off lmao a 72v dualtron storm does only 51mph 🤣🤣😅
speaking with dualtron greece, the official retailer of all minimotors, nami electric and tromox products for greece, dualtrons should never be used under heavy rain, personally I rode my dt thunder 2 under light rain many times but not under heavy rain, the main problem is the heat sink of the controllers and the ey3 throttle, the latter can be fixed by buying a "kapoteks" ey3 cover and I would recommend it since 25$ is objectively better than a possible 110$ damage, there seems to be no reliable way to waterproof the heatsink and if you manage to do so you will compromise it's cooling capability so from my experience if you live in places where it rains a lot a nami or a kaboo are the only options in this price range, here in greece heavy rain is uncommon so I manage to have riding capable wheather at least 280 days of the year so im absolutely fine by it but for those who live in countries with wet climates then pls don't buy a dualtron because you sooner or later will end up with several hundred dollars of damage that are not warranty covered. Dualtron themselves say that their scooters are extremely beefy but long term exposure to water will take them down. Other than that for those who end up buying a dualtron, be known that in a city environment with the appropriate p9 setting you can cover any commute need you gonna have, be 5 to 6 hours in a row delivering, especially with the bigger ones and Im really happy that they do give higher batteries with their high powered scooters cause these things consume through battery like butter when they go full speed (my dt thunder 2 in a city environment manages little over 60 kilometers with full power, probably because of the frequent stop and start and my weight which is 1-5 kg (231 lbs) but even with my light obesity I can stretch my battery to 100 kilometers by limiting my top speed to 50-60 kmh and travelling outskirts where the are plenty of straights and less traffic. The reason Im saying the above is because I have seen that with these escooters range is compromised massively as you get closer to their weight limit so I think it is a good idea to start doing an additional range test to these with a driver close to their weight limit(stock suspension). Other than that a great review of yet another solid offering by minimotors and I can't wait for the x limited review as it seems absolutely bongers
Why is chuck not appearing lately on cameras? We miss him! Let him review an 80MPH scooter next week! 😅
Chuck is a full time Dad these days. I miss him too. We keep in touch though.
I wish someone would bring me an 80 mph scooter! The X Limited is fast, but not that fast! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide that was my initial thought that he's probably busy with something important! Thanks for letting us know - and if ever someone finally brings in an 80mph Scooter, do it at the track with asphalt!
You’ve got to try the newer version of this exact same scooter, the stem is WAAAAAY THICKER, it has now the EYE4, two 30 watt lights and a few other things as well, just as an IPX5 rating now… you should really give a deep look though
Noted! Thanks for stopping by!
Dope scooter. I’m curious about the ghost 2023 upgrades
We just got the 2022 Upgrades! You're ahead of me if you know about 2023 upgrades! I know Apollo will keep coming through with surprises though! -Paul
I'm not a fan of Dualtron.. special of double tap... either vsett has the same system but with button.. much better... Also from 84v battery I was waiting bigger top speed..
But I have to admire, sound of motors is like opera for my ears...😁😘
Haha nice! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
I had one of the defective ones before selling it to get a Burn E. Couple of takeaways, that I will mention here. The front of the scooter and the steering is super light, you will need the steer damper. The suspension is really not good for this price point, Dualtron needs to get with the program and add an adjustable suspension that is closer to the Burn E. Still have the creaky stem, and the rear foot rest is seperate from the body so every bump your going to feel in that rear foot. Handlebars are pretty thin, if your a bigger person or someone with wide shoulders you might not like them.
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Do you plan on reviewing the 2023 upgraded model, they’ve fixed the stem too 🙌🏽
No plans for that currently!
This makes from Wolf King GT such excellent bargain... 🤔😀
Yes it certainly is! -Vosk
Never could understand why mini motors go with the small handlebar when most ppl going to go with wider one's 🤔
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I had a dualtron thunder and I kind of regret selling it, this one looks tempting
It’s a beast for sure! -Vosk
I’m not a big fan of the double click throttle idea. I think Kaabo is the better of the two. You can get a WKGT now for $3200. It’s honestly a better scooter
Awesome! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Great review as always!
Thank you so much Coley! -Paul
I would've bought this but the bad reviews of the first batch and it's size/weight turned me off and purchased the T2 instead. I kind of wish now I would've waited a bit more but I've been waiting to get a Dualtron since 2017 Ultra, lol!
Thunder II is an awesome scooter! Enjoy! -Paul
another awesome video from ESG !!
Thanks so much for the nice words! -Vosk
All they have to do is put a dual stem and raise the handle bars and then you have hands down the best scooter ever probably. And I am a wkgt fanboy
Thanks for stopping by! -Vosk
Love your video guys but i have a 72v 80ah scooter with 80a x 2 controller and 7500 x 2 motors, a 24 x 13 inches deck and its faster and has longer range plus more led lights than the limited but then again after i bought it i diy the whole scooter. I posted it on my channel
Very nice! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
I think my storm limited has the original storms controller. I cant get past 51 mph. And to be honest 59.9 mph is lousy for 84 volt system.
Sorry about that!
I wouldn't need it for the speed but would be great for the distance
For sure! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
in your opinion what's the best swappable battery scooter that has long range and fast but it under 2000$
EMOVE Roadrunner. It’s a seated scooter. We should do a whole video on swappable battery scooters. -Paul
Can you do a range test on the new storm ltd?
Unfortunately not!
Just curious on your top speed runs did you double click both directions and do you remember what temperature the outside was when you ran it? Also the slow start P setting has more selections now so if you run level 5 on P7 the acceleration is much tamer and very very smooth
Yes, I double clicked in both directions. It was cool outside, high 50's or low 60's F.
-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank you Paul. The top speed seems odd then. 72V 100A vs. 84V 120A (peak) same tires, roughly same weight... Seems DSL should have gone faster all things considered. Wondering if the Wolf King GT test day for top speed was the ambient temp/wind the same as the day you did the DSL? that's the only thing that would make sense to me (if it was much cooler the day you did the DSL), besides using different test courses maybe... Doesn't really matter... they're both fast and I picked up a DSL anyway, but just seems a bit odd especially with the higher 11,500W peak of the DSL...
Why are the dt storm ltd tires you are evaluating not 11.5-inch puncture-resistant tires? They look different
We had the early version!
Which gear you was riding the whole time 1 , 2 , or 3
Always gear 3!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thnks 👍👌
Hey have you tested joyer or Iscooter?
We have not! Maybe in the future. -Vosk
Hey can you put Storm limited motors on a regular storm to make it faster?
The controllers and battery would have to be changed! -Vosk
This scooter is a monster
Yes it sure is! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Are you guys based in The Bay,? Looked familiar when you were doing speed run.
Yes we are! Good observation. -Vosk
Kind of looking for some advice. I'm in the process of doing a lot of research on scooters. I'm gonna be buying one in the next few weeks. My price range ranges from 7000 to a little more than $10000 rang looking at the Dueltron and weped And one that you're riding? I'm leaving my options open, and I'm looking at every detail, and there was a few that I found with the red flag. not saying which if you can. What would you recommend?
What speed and range are you looking for ?
70 or above as far as it will go
Does this have more range than the Dualtron X Limited?
It does not!
Thanks for the cool and honest reviews 👍🏻
Thanks so much for the kind words! -Paul
My dream scooter but very expensive specially here in the philippines😢
Hopefully one day!
To have tested the dualtron storm limited compared to the ultra 2 I think they have quite similar accelerations but the Storm Limited gains in Vmax because of larger coils and magnets at the motors.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Why is the G2 Segway never in any of these videos ??!
The GT2? That's a great question. To be completely honest, I think it's because I tend to lean on my graphs of tested top speed vs price, tested range vs price, Top speed vs weight, etc in order to find the closest competitors near a given price, but if I keep doing that I'm going to forever overlook the ride quality and build quality of the GT2 which *is* truly outstanding. I rode the GT2 back to back with the Wolf King GT an Storm Limited last week and while it's not as brutally quick, it definitely deserves to be considered because it's just so well engineered. I'll think about that the next time I put a list of competitors together. Thanks for the comment. Always something to learn in every comments section. -Paul
What’s the fastest you’ve got on it in one direction?
Few miles an hour faster then confirmed!
Why don’t you recommend buying from Minimotors directly.
Voromotors has little to no customer service.
VoroMotors has excellent support with phone and live chat available! -Vosk
Hello first one
Thanks for commenting Akram! -Paul
What is the 0-30 and 0-60 time?
With a tested two-direction top speed of 59.9mph it falls just short of having a 0 to 60, but the 0 to 30 time can be compared with all of the fastest scooters we've tested here:
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The video covers the top speeds as well. -Paul
Which one is more stable at high speed, dtx ltd or dt storm ltd
Limited X for sure! -Vosk
I wish i could have one of those,i cant afford very expensive for me.
Hopefully one day you can! -Vosk
Fastest what? My storm hits 62 np on flat ground with a seat kit and me being 200lbs and wearing a backpack.
The limited , if your settings are correct and that is key has to beat that. However regardless of what the original storm is advertised as having on a new fully charged battery the voltage reads 83.7. That is basically 84 although it is not exactly 84 which is why they advertise it as 72 but a nominal 72.
I would tell anyone if their storm or storm limited is not hitting those speeds call minimotors usa and ask them how to max out your settings. It is not simply turn off eco and put it in 3. There is a battery drain setting that can be set to give your scooter max power every time you squeeze the trigger. This will only give you 30 mile range but allow one to reach those speeds. Especially with the limited if its advertised to hit 70mph it will but at that point its a matter of if you should or not. That is why I got the seat kit.
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
I try your discount code and didn’t work 😢
Most likely expired! -Vosk
4k+ USD scooters with square wave controllers, some have sine wave... I suppose no settings for ramping times, motor/battery amps, different power for front vs back... VESC controllers have been out for many years and these scooters still use these medieval ones , that's a crime...
Insightful! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Yeah blew mines controller today. Was going 25mph ar a low headwind and it just stopped working
I tought they sell it with PBT tires
You can purchase them aftermarket!
U never tried Weped Scooters. How can u say what is the best in the market ????
We are trying to get one to review! -Vosk
Rion scooters are hyperscooters everything else is just a rectangle box with wheels and weighs 2x as much and takes 4x longer to recharge battery oh and rion still fastest accelerating and highest top speed . Just gotta get in the waiting line which is about a year before delivery 😂,
Weped are crazy expensive and just 10mph higher top speed over wolf king gt or the better Nami bern-e 2 max which gets to 62 mph quicker than gt and better off road . Either those 2 are best available option for ppl after 100kph scooter .
hi paul so which scooter is faster thunder 2 or storm
Thunder II went 58.6mph and Storm (72V) went 51.3
Hi Jose,
Both are very close on acceleration numbers, but Thunder II is a little quicker to most speeds. -Paul
so the winner of all dualtrons below the dualtron X is the thunfer 2
Yoooo love it
Thanks for the kind words! -Vosk
Dualtron has got to drop that archaic EY3/4 screen! It sucks and is just so outdated! Dualtron has other issues but I will never consider a Dualtron as long as they fail to upgrade their E-Scooter's screen! I do love the new controls cluster on the left side of the cockpit, so I'm not sure why they haven't improved on their Itty bitty little old fashioned screen!
Interesting take!
Where do you get your stats from thats what i don't like about your channel you always get the top speed and range wrong the reg 72v dualtron storm does not do only 51mph try more like 58mph my dualtron ultra 2 tops out at 62mph with a full battery get your stats right!
We use GPS verified speeds on professional equipment and do multiple runs few with the wind and few against the wind and use the average. Almost all factory scooter speedometers are off by usually 10%! -Vosk
Disappointment for the price the Wolf King Gt is faster and a lot cheaper
It's kind of crazy how much performance per dollar the Wolf King GT delivers! Surprisingly, the Storm Limited's battery is so big it still beats the Wolf King GT when it comes to Watt-hours vs dollars! -Paul
Nami bern-e 2 max beats wolf gt in drag race and better off road durability, and with single carbon fibre stem vs dual stem on wolf gt it's far quicker to fold . Both basically same price . Imo if happy spending x amount on either above I'd just save up another 33% and buy a rion re90-80 or thrust and feel great knowing it'll take a decade before something catches up to performance,light weight and insanely short battery charging time of rion scooters, 140+kph 35 kg weight with 2.5 hr recharge time vs 100-110 kph 50-65kg 8hr recharge using dual charger set-up 👉🤪💨, .
@@cappaus5480 HERE IN cANADA wOLF IS ALMOST 1K CHEAPER THAN NAMI AND HAD BETTER STABILITY AT HIGH SPEAD AND NO FLAT TIRES
Yeah don’t but this scooter people i learned the hard way. Just blew the controller on mine by just going like 25mph at a low headwind and it just blew ot and ive owned it less than 4 months
Sorry to hear that! Hope you get it figured out. -Vosk
Test OBARTER X7 please
We will take a look thanks! -Vosk
Why is this so expensive but yet has no IP rating? Something like his should not be so expensive and not have any water resistant to it.
Yea they def should have a water rating!
i reached 70 mph in my dualtron storm. its just a secret in settings 😁
If only this had a dual stem design….
That would be something!
i need
It’s an excellent scooter for sure! -Vosk
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these types of scooters are going to cause laws and regulations against scooters. :(
Sometimes I'm surprised we've made it this far! I think it's because the high performance scooters are expensive enough that only serious riders buy them.
Get one while you still can! ;-) -Paul
At least give a nice remote bro that is a £1 remote bro
Haha true! -Vosk
Toooooo.......... expensive
Definitely a premium price! There are many many different options for sure at many different price points. -Vosk
a really big what??🙄
It’s real footage from Sesame Street, by the way! The actual line is “dip” because he is making guacamole. -Paul
The worst scooter from minimotors it's a shame that company like that was able to make a shit scooter like this for that high price
Hopefully then can improve on this model in the future and make it better! -Vosk
I've been hesitant to purchase one only because the next generation batteries will arrive in May 2023. The price is so low still to high. $5,000 is ridiculously high for such poor distance and heavy weight. This would have to drop $2000. Eco Bicycles with better range and performance.
What batteries are coming in May? -Paul
its weird that it still cant reach 60+ mph
Hits close to 60mph on our tests! -Vosk
Its insane i love it
Nice!
A complete waste of money. I can guarantee that the are no scooter riders that regularly ride over 35 mph for sustained distances. Even experienced racers do not maintain over 50 mph while racing. Scooters just do not provide adequate base of support stability for this kind of speed.
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That’s for watching! -Vosk
For the range test, is that done by going top speed the entire time? Would I get more range out of it if I was going 25-30 mph?
Range tests are usually ran close to 20mph area for the duration. -Vosk