A suggestion, most have already watched the videos previously. I would find value in a summary comparing all bikes in video, 8-15min at the end. Cheers,
Me 66 - bought SL8 SWORKS - long time dead - moved to Cali Colombia - mountains everywhere - quality - cycling club Sunday rides hitting mid 40 kph in the peleton. Love it.
I have a gen 7 madone slr frame and it’s the most comfortable bike I’ve ever ridden, on 50 wheels it’s also one of the best climbimg bikes I have ever ridden. Looks the business as well.
@@HeadPack that’s why I went way out of my way to find one of the last ones in my size in the smoke color that looks mean in person. Straight up Lamborghini aventador or stealth bomber
Must be nice to be able to shell out 10-14 grand on one of these bikes. Would it be possible to compare these super high end models with their lower tier setups, say with a 105 and lesser carbon wheels? Or don't the manufacturers want that?
I had bianchi Oltre xr 1 , and had a chance to ride older sl6 tarmanc, non s worx, it blows me away , totally diferrent ride , incredible transfer of power , stifness only one word to say - formula one , and oltre was my dream bike , I was really happy , but this is another story , now I understand that so many pro teams usa tarmac, yes tarmac design never really impress me so much like other aero bike , but riding quality on tarmac is another level ,so I bought sl8 blue onyx pro frame and will build new bike with ultegra set, and dura ace c50 wheels I cant wait ..... My experience
Your comment got my attention because I just purchased the same frameset, a color, yesterday. Like you I am looking forward to getting it built and then riding it
Just wanted to say thanks. Recently got back into road biking and got a great deal on an Enve Melee with Ses 4.5 Wheels and SRAM Force AXS + Powermeter. Yep. No one should pay 12k or more for that. So I paid half. I am in love with that bike. It’s probably way too good for my current skill level (recent zone 2 rides were like 25kmh for 35 km) but damn. It’s so good. And it’s even more comfortable than my old Hardtail MTB.
@@stevengrimwood-m3n Got it used on buycyle. With carbon check it was slightly more but I don’t want a headache. Was ridden for this summer season but was too large for the buyer. And yes, I got the whole equipment with it so I don’t think it was stolen.
@@davidarthur That's true! I notice, also, that you have everything nicely timestamped. I can even skipt to my favorite sections like the SuperSix EVO and the Van Rysel!! You are awesome, David!!
Dave thanks for this. Really helpful for those thinking about buying a bike. Your video will help persons figure out based on their condition/ environment which bike is best. For me its the SL8, especially due to the bad roads I face. The carbon cranks I have chosen will lower the build weight by about 200 grams. Decided to go with 11 speed durace not only because its cheaper than the 12 speed options but lighter. Wheels will be light weight (elite wheels)
you wont make mistake at all when choosing all the bikes in the list. even you close your eyes then picked any one of them. all the bikes mentioned is categorized as super bike.
Hey David have yout tried the Cube Litening Aero and Air already? Their price points with top end groupsets are crazy. would love to get your review on them
I was torn between the Colnago C68 and the Pinarello Dogma. Once you ride the Dogma, its game over. Add a set of Campagnolo Bora WTO and a Super Record EPS group and it is the Ferrari of bikes. Fast, smooth, technically magnificent and beautifully constructed. Nothing rides like a Dogma or sounds like a Ferrari. Its why these brands sell at a higher price. They are worth it.
Have the Supersix and love it!! I can coast further and coast faster downhill than the groups I ride with. It is definitely aero and maintains its speed. Switched to 32c tubeless with 55psi. Most comfortable bike I've ridden.
I think UA-camrs should should start focusing on the more affordable versions of bike releases. Like Tarmac SL8 looks cool but did it have to be the S-Works version? Most people that watch this video can't afford and probably wouldn't benefit from such an expensive bike.
You're right. Its nice to see a roundup of $10k bikes, but I would be a lot more interested to see a comparison between a bunch of $3-5k bikes. Which brand offers the best bike for "normal" people? Sadly all the reviews focus on top tier.
I love my Tarmac SL7. It is great on the climbs and feels almost as rapid on the flat as my previous bike - a Canyon Aeroad. What a lot of fun that bike was but it had a rather harsh ride and quite an agressive geometry. I assume the Tarmac SL7 is a similar ride to the Tarmac SL8?
probabaly faster than the tarmac and the new madone but surely less comfortable. if you are some heavy sprinter like me(6'4 95kg), that seatpost looks bit dangerous for me. was planning to get that factor ostro vam 2 before the trek madone comes out. eventually got the new madone slr 9 axs. \ about overall $2000usd cheaper if includs the welcome package and fitting services the bikeshop provides, way more comfortable with better warranty and bike cares, but its about 300g heavier than ostro, comes with that weird aero bottles and doesnt have a swork logo on it.
@@songjoseph3314 I'm a climber, so more or less 67-68kg (65 at peak 🤣🤣). Thanks for your response, I'll try to get as many feedbacks as possible before making my choice
Honestly, all of these bikes are mechanical wonders, cheers to all the engineers for their creations. And thanks, David, for your look at them and it's okay if you're sipping the tea or whatever. Your fellow fans understand. 😀
@@Djacob_ I think you're right, lol. And I'm just trying to be polite in British circles. And I rather enjoy sipping coffee or tea these days while I admire fancy bikes on UA-cam. 😀
@@paddymurphy-oconnor8255 Just having fun as David is often accused of 'drinking the Kool-Aid' which is a saying that originated from the tragic '78 mass deaths of followers of a U.S. cult leader in South America and is applied to anyone who seemingly blindly follows promotional hype or whatever. And I think it is an overused and misused term, not all enthusiasm is that and I prefer to think of David as savoring the bikes and sipping the tea. 🍵
I had the Scott Foil Rc pro 2023 and regret selling it for the Madone gen 7 🥲 Foil was just faster on the flats, only downside was the weight for climbing but compared to my Madone now..a 200g +- difference is actually negligible. Not to say the madone isn't fast, it's just not as fast as it is claimed to be.
When calling out road bike for limit of stated 30c tires sizes, i think it would be important for a reviewer to actually measure or try on larger tires. My gravel bike says 45 but realistically I can get on 48s with room…on my Supersix EVO i can put on 35s on they work fine, and currently running 32s on very wide wheels measuring out to almost 33 for a Cadillac ride in the bumpy Bay Area downhills.
I still can’t get my head around needing to bleed my brakes and replace hydraulic lines every time I want to clean and grease the bearings. These bikes are just impractical in the UK. I had an S-Works SL6 but would never buy an SL8
Curious how many road race bikes you've tested this year? Think the melee is your oldest review in this bunch (least 12 months ago!). Curious to know how that review stands up in review since then. Meaning if you've only reviewed 10 then well less impressive than if you've reviewed 50 or something. Thanks!
Are you talking about a test ride or a longer ride? The geo on that seems similar to Emonda if I recall but they increased tire clearance on the new Madone.
your toe is overlapping on many bikes, its scary for me taking tight turns in sf, I almost have hard time taking those turns all the time...when tired making turns with traffic makes more frustrating and angry..
'More Aero' , 'Lighter' , 'Stiffer' Obviously Aero'.. fully swallowed the marketing hype hasnt he... best bike there is Van R... ugliest is the Dogma F.
Meh, bikes that are either directed at folks who really need a "race bike", but more likely sold to folks who really need an endurance bike. The market for these sort of bikes should be even smaller than it really is. Not a realistic option for most folks re: price, geometry and real world use.
So the two Italians together with the Specialized are the only ones with threaded bb ..? That’s a bit of a shame! The others should get rid of the PF bb‘s IMO. The sooner the better.
@@bikemike1118 You are wrong. 1. Threaded bb limit tyre clearance at the rear wheel, unless you're willing to widen the axle. 2. PF bb is lighter! 3. PF is stiffer!! 4. In PF there is no need to co-mould metal inserts into bb area. 5. The issue isn't press-fit - the issue is manufacturing tolerances on the frames.
@ what you consider „better“ I consider inferior! Lighter it is… yes, a few minor gramme…not important! Stiffer? Who told you that? …Probably your bike dealer. LOL If you have a metal frame there is NO need to „co-mould“ anything! In point 5 you are a bit right. BUT: the clicking noise and squeaking is very likely to come …sooner or later. And good luck in pressing a new bb in a carbon frame . Your frame can be damaged for good. But if you think these very few grams are „worth“ the hassle and the need to possibly replacing your frame…then good luck! The advantage no 1 is for the manufacturers who still hold on to pressfit: it’s cheaper! And that’s the most important reason. The other „advantages“ … few grams less, stiffer ..are just BS on the road and only for brochure believers! There you have it.
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Did David just called us poor in 10 different ways?
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Poor is the new sexy
Sure did. Dang.
Yes, as he usually does
A suggestion, most have already watched the videos previously. I would find value in a summary comparing all bikes in video, 8-15min at the end.
Cheers,
Me 66 - bought SL8 SWORKS - long time dead - moved to Cali Colombia - mountains everywhere - quality - cycling club Sunday rides hitting mid 40 kph in the peleton. Love it.
I have a gen 7 madone slr frame and it’s the most comfortable bike I’ve ever ridden, on 50 wheels it’s also one of the best climbimg bikes I have ever ridden. Looks the business as well.
The gen 7 Madone also has one of the best looking frame sets.
@@HeadPack that’s why I went way out of my way to find one of the last ones in my size in the smoke color that looks mean in person. Straight up Lamborghini aventador or stealth bomber
@@saphireg8094 That is one of the best colors for that frame. I'd probably ponder hanging it on the wall as a piece of art if I had one. Enjoy yours!
I just picked up the Gen 8 Madone love it.
Looks even better with the RSL 62s and slammed cockpit and the shifters tilted in. ;)
Been binge watching your videos today, this couldn't have come at a better time!
Must be nice to be able to shell out 10-14 grand on one of these bikes. Would it be possible to compare these super high end models with their lower tier setups, say with a 105 and lesser carbon wheels? Or don't the manufacturers want that?
I had bianchi Oltre xr 1 , and had a chance to ride older sl6 tarmanc, non s worx, it blows me away , totally diferrent ride , incredible transfer of power , stifness only one word to say - formula one , and oltre was my dream bike , I was really happy , but this is another story , now I understand that so many pro teams usa tarmac, yes tarmac design never really impress me so much like other aero bike , but riding quality on tarmac is another level ,so I bought sl8 blue onyx pro frame and will build new bike with ultegra set, and dura ace c50 wheels I cant wait ..... My experience
Your comment got my attention because I just purchased the same frameset, a color, yesterday. Like you I am looking forward to getting it built and then riding it
Your Tarmac SL6 was Comp 10r or Sport 9r? I have Oltre XR1 and Tarmac SL5 S-Works Fact 11r.
What You tell about compare sl6 to sl8?
Just wanted to say thanks. Recently got back into road biking and got a great deal on an Enve Melee with Ses 4.5 Wheels and SRAM Force AXS + Powermeter. Yep. No one should pay 12k or more for that. So I paid half.
I am in love with that bike. It’s probably way too good for my current skill level (recent zone 2 rides were like 25kmh for 35 km) but damn. It’s so good.
And it’s even more comfortable than my old Hardtail MTB.
thats a solid good deal mate...
We're did you get that deal from?
@@stevengrimwood-m3n Got it used on buycyle. With carbon check it was slightly more but I don’t want a headache. Was ridden for this summer season but was too large for the buyer. And yes, I got the whole equipment with it so I don’t think it was stolen.
two and half hours! I'm going to have to watch this one over the weekend, haha! Can't wait!
you don't have to watch it one one go haha :)
@@davidarthur That's true! I notice, also, that you have everything nicely timestamped. I can even skipt to my favorite sections like the SuperSix EVO and the Van Rysel!! You are awesome, David!!
All great bikes but for me is the Scott Foil 😊
I switched from an Aeroad model 2020 to the new Supersix Evo Hi-mod 2024 and it was by far the best decision, I love this bike
Dave thanks for this. Really helpful for those thinking about buying a bike. Your video will help persons figure out based on their condition/ environment which bike is best. For me its the SL8, especially due to the bad roads I face. The carbon cranks I have chosen will lower the build weight by about 200 grams. Decided to go with 11 speed durace not only because its cheaper than the 12 speed options but lighter. Wheels will be light weight (elite wheels)
Much better and cheaper than the Italian premium bikes. Love it!
Pinarello Overall !
The canyon is overengeneered - what I like as an ingenieur 😂 and you get most for your money.
you wont make mistake at all when choosing all the bikes in the list. even you close your eyes then picked any one of them. all the bikes mentioned is categorized as super bike.
Hey David have yout tried the Cube Litening Aero and Air already? Their price points with top end groupsets are crazy. would love to get your review on them
First, and greetings from Dundalk, Ireland. Now to watch the vid!
I was torn between the Colnago C68 and the Pinarello Dogma. Once you ride the Dogma, its game over. Add a set of Campagnolo Bora WTO and a Super Record EPS group and it is the Ferrari of bikes. Fast, smooth, technically magnificent and beautifully constructed. Nothing rides like a Dogma or sounds like a Ferrari. Its why these brands sell at a higher price. They are worth it.
Colnago is much more akin to Ferrari...
Pinarello trash! 😂
And sworks is Bugatti!
No love for Cervelo? I have the Soloist di2 and it's the best all around bike...fast/aero, reasonably light, and very comfortable.
Hey David, awesome video. What is your opinion on the BMC roadmachine compared to these other bikes?
Thanks alot
Have the Supersix and love it!! I can coast further and coast faster downhill than the groups I ride with. It is definitely aero and maintains its speed. Switched to 32c tubeless with 55psi. Most comfortable bike I've ridden.
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Best bike comparison i've seen. Curious, are you sponsored by any of these companies?
Nope not sponsored by any bike brands
Man, I want that Super Six Evo!
Bro, seems like you have a lot of bikes, wish I could have one 😁
What do you think about cervelo
Eyeing a Factor Ostro VAM 2.0 at the moment. Was hoping it would be in the list.
Sadly not had the chance to ride that bike yet
I think UA-camrs should should start focusing on the more affordable versions of bike releases.
Like Tarmac SL8 looks cool but did it have to be the S-Works version? Most people that watch this video can't afford and probably wouldn't benefit from such an expensive bike.
You're right. Its nice to see a roundup of $10k bikes, but I would be a lot more interested to see a comparison between a bunch of $3-5k bikes. Which brand offers the best bike for "normal" people? Sadly all the reviews focus on top tier.
Just imagine its heavier than the sworks version and everything else is the same
Maybe you should look at the new "premium" Chinese brands like Tavelo Arrow SL or Seka Spear RDC and give us your opinion.
Sorry, David, I am unable to recognize that climb when you're riding on the wrong side of the road. 😀
I love my Tarmac SL7. It is great on the climbs and feels almost as rapid on the flat as my previous bike - a Canyon Aeroad. What a lot of fun that bike was but it had a rather harsh ride and quite an agressive geometry. I assume the Tarmac SL7 is a similar ride to the Tarmac SL8?
Workers' rights groups pursue Specialized for portion of $650K unpaid wages and benefits to factory workers
hi, does anyone have any opinions or feedback on the Factor Ostro Vam ?
probabaly faster than the tarmac and the new madone but surely less comfortable. if you are some heavy sprinter like me(6'4 95kg), that seatpost looks bit dangerous for me.
was planning to get that factor ostro vam 2 before the trek madone comes out. eventually got the new madone slr 9 axs. \
about overall $2000usd cheaper if includs the welcome package and fitting services the bikeshop provides, way more comfortable with better warranty and bike cares, but its about 300g heavier than ostro, comes with that weird aero bottles and doesnt have a swork logo on it.
@@songjoseph3314 I'm a climber, so more or less 67-68kg (65 at peak 🤣🤣). Thanks for your response, I'll try to get as many feedbacks as possible before making my choice
good video, thanks.
Honestly, all of these bikes are mechanical wonders, cheers to all the engineers for their creations. And thanks, David, for your look at them and it's okay if you're sipping the tea or whatever. Your fellow fans understand. 😀
Is “sipping the tea” the opposite of “taking the piss?”
@@Djacob_ I think you're right, lol. And I'm just trying to be polite in British circles. And I rather enjoy sipping coffee or tea these days while I admire fancy bikes on UA-cam. 😀
@@robbchastain3036 What do you mean about sipping tea?
@@paddymurphy-oconnor8255 Just having fun as David is often accused of 'drinking the Kool-Aid' which is a saying that originated from the tragic '78 mass deaths of followers of a U.S. cult leader in South America and is applied to anyone who seemingly blindly follows promotional hype or whatever. And I think it is an overused and misused term, not all enthusiasm is that and I prefer to think of David as savoring the bikes and sipping the tea. 🍵
I had the Scott Foil Rc pro 2023 and regret selling it for the Madone gen 7 🥲 Foil was just faster on the flats, only downside was the weight for climbing but compared to my Madone now..a 200g +- difference is actually negligible. Not to say the madone isn't fast, it's just not as fast as it is claimed to be.
But what's your favorite David?
He said multiply in other videos too, that tarmac sl8 is his fav
The Verticale didn't quite make it? Also have Bianchi sent you the new Specialissima? There are very few reviews of it out there.
Is the Tarmac SL 7 Comp version also as good? cause its way heavier, which bike is better in this category or lets say price range?
When calling out road bike for limit of stated 30c tires sizes, i think it would be important for a reviewer to actually measure or try on larger tires. My gravel bike says 45 but realistically I can get on 48s with room…on my Supersix EVO i can put on 35s on they work fine, and currently running 32s on very wide wheels measuring out to almost 33 for a Cadillac ride in the bumpy Bay Area downhills.
The manual for the supersix even says 34mm measured width so I'm not sure where he got this from or if they corrected the manual
What’s your opinion on Ostro VAM 2 to S work tarmac?
I see it's back (video) hopefully it won't be taken down until at least I get the chance to fully watch it
Yes really sorry about that, this version isn't going anywhere, I've triple checked
What size Canyon did you ride and how tall are you?
Have you ever considered one of the Argon 18 bikes?
How about Verticale SLR?
I still can’t get my head around needing to bleed my brakes and replace hydraulic lines every time I want to clean and grease the bearings. These bikes are just impractical in the UK. I had an S-Works SL6 but would never buy an SL8
van rysel - 8kg - lightweight???
with that level of equipment yeah it's not exactly heavy, it's all relative right
Curious how many road race bikes you've tested this year? Think the melee is your oldest review in this bunch (least 12 months ago!). Curious to know how that review stands up in review since then. Meaning if you've only reviewed 10 then well less impressive than if you've reviewed 50 or something. Thanks!
What do you think of the Lapierre Aircode X Alpine? Also seems like a beautiful one
What saddle haeight are you running on the bike? Sl8
Obviously s works is the fastest. Specialized are the best bikes, Tarmac rule them all
Hoped for a good comparison in Speed, comfort, Handling, price/Performance ratio and not just an upload of all the single review videos... Thanks !
I will do that video soon but want to cover a few more bike reviews first - what's on your shortlist?
@@davidarthur TREK Madone Gen 7/8 vs Giant Propel Adv. Pro 1 vs Cervelo Soloist :) thanks in advance
The Tarmac is king
is it that cold right now?
Do you think you will get your hands on the 2024 Orbea Orca at some stage?
Not sure, I have asked if I can ride one but not getting anywhere yet sadly
@@davidarthur Shame, really. Thanks for answering, love the videos!
No Factor?
Sadly not tested the aero Factor
What about the BMC Teammachine R???
No marketing budget
Can I ask why you never rode the Scott Foil?
Couldn't get Scott to send me one but have asked
Need refinancing my house for it
The new Trek Madone gen 8 is the most comfortable bike I’ve ridden. Even the SL8 isn’t compared in comfort.
Are you talking about a test ride or a longer ride? The geo on that seems similar to Emonda if I recall but they increased tire clearance on the new Madone.
SL8 doesn’t look as aero as the new Cannondale SuperSix Evo!
I like merida scultura team Too bad I didn't see her
How a VR is reviewing here and not the Wilier Filante !?😮
I guess, he just did not ride one.
Where is scott foil
your toe is overlapping on many bikes, its scary for me taking tight turns in sf, I almost have hard time taking those turns all the time...when tired making turns with traffic makes more frustrating and angry..
Bro needs to stop calling the sl8 “aero”
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Specialized Aethos not in the mix ? I guess not a race bike …
I think if you're racing it's probably not going to be on your shortlist, unless you're racing up mountains maybe?
'More Aero' , 'Lighter' , 'Stiffer' Obviously Aero'.. fully swallowed the marketing hype hasnt he... best bike there is Van R... ugliest is the Dogma F.
I don't really like these compilation videos, I'd personally prefer a summary video
You just picked every single mainstream high end brand... I don't understand the point of the video.
Meh, bikes that are either directed at folks who really need a "race bike", but more likely sold to folks who really need an endurance bike. The market for these sort of bikes should be even smaller than it really is. Not a realistic option for most folks re: price, geometry and real world use.
I don't have any data but various bike brands have over the years shared that their endurance bikes are the best sellers, for about 10 years now
Pinarello Dogma F. End of the video.
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So the two Italians together with the Specialized are the only ones with threaded bb ..? That’s a bit of a shame! The others should get rid of the PF bb‘s IMO. The sooner the better.
Press fit is way better
@ no, it’s NOT.
@@bikemike1118 You are wrong.
1. Threaded bb limit tyre clearance at the rear wheel, unless you're willing to widen the axle.
2. PF bb is lighter!
3. PF is stiffer!!
4. In PF there is no need to co-mould metal inserts into bb area.
5. The issue isn't press-fit - the issue is manufacturing tolerances on the frames.
@ what you consider „better“ I consider inferior!
Lighter it is… yes, a few minor gramme…not important!
Stiffer? Who told you that? …Probably your bike dealer. LOL
If you have a metal frame there is NO need to „co-mould“ anything!
In point 5 you are a bit right. BUT: the clicking noise and squeaking is very likely to come …sooner or later.
And good luck in pressing a new bb in a carbon frame . Your frame can be damaged for good.
But if you think these very few grams are „worth“ the hassle and the need to possibly replacing your frame…then good luck!
The advantage no 1 is for the manufacturers who still hold on to pressfit: it’s cheaper! And that’s the most important reason.
The other „advantages“ … few grams less, stiffer ..are just BS on the road and only for brochure believers! There you have it.
@@bikemike1118 i have Giant TCR and press fit bottom bracket are perfect! In poor frames of course You have problems
no factor ????
Not had the chance to try the Ostro Vam yet, only the 02 Vam which I wasn't that impressed with
@@davidarthur factor ostro vam 2 please .a lot of people are waiting for it . we trust your vision . greetz of belgium