My mom was a bank teller and she was robbed, and when she pressed the emergency button, the cops went to the wrong bank. They all thought the emergency button didn’t work but it was, in fact, police incompetence
@@unseasonedsalad i feel like the cops in the US are working desperately hard to be the Florida Man of police departments for the world. This would be comical, but they are involved in so much crime it's despicable.
@@TheCasualCriminalist there's obviously a selection bias purely from the fact that we weren't involved in the crimes, so us knowing about them now doesn't bode well for a given criminal's setup
In fact I'm a bank teller... before 2020 it was like ..plz let me see your face(to pardanashin muslim) women....plz put down your helmet... Now I don't even care about helmets
How the hell did this guy fly 500km one way, rent a car, drive to a bank, rob it, return the car, and fly 500km back on his lunch break? That is quite the siesta
You pick up your car at the airport, drive a nearby bank, spend two minutes in the bank and drive back to the airport for your twenty minute flight back. Once in your police vehicle again you are on duty. Plus in those days you would have been given a full meal in both directions!
If you assume that you're not dealing with the level of security we're used to nowadays, and think of it more like taking a train or bus, that sounds like something you could pull off in an hour or two. Not a short lunch, but not unreasonably long.
Oh... here in sweden we have a antihero story, he stood up against the King and lived and fought in the woods. Its a heck of a story tbh. The man is called Nils Dacke. If you Google that name you will go down a rabbit hole 😍
@@therese369 wasn't being sarcastic. Looked him up, interesting story. Check out the outlaws of Romney Marsh. That'd make a great casual criminalist episode.
@@--enyo-- i just meant its a longer story and i love all the longer stories Simon tells on any of his channels 😊, its kind of swedens own Robin Hood story with bandits and taxes in the middle of the then untamed landscape cause this happend in 1510-1543 (those were the years he lived).
Little known fact: this series’ working title was “Pro Tips for the Casual Criminalist” before it was shortened. It was meant as case studies of criminals that got caught so that Simon can point out to amateur, aspiring criminals what they should avoid in the future so they don’t get caught. Allegedly.
Simon cones across as such a nice chap to work with. Bigging up the Callum awesomeness at the beginning (rightly so, Callus writes great scripts). Always mentions the editors too. Wholesome true crime channel.... well it works.
idk why but I absolutely Love the tangents that Simon goes on about his family and life in general during these stories I feel like I’m watching Monday morning tea with Simon. Except there’s also murder involved usually so there is that 🤷🏼♂️
I've loved the detail and narrative to your shows for some time now, and being South African myself I'm ever more excited to see a South African based story on these channels. Hell, you sometimes cover details or stories that I hadn't even realized occurred, such as this one. And the lengthier and more complete the story is, the better xD Thanks to you and the team for the hard work and dedication to keep these channels running and the quality impeccable! On a side note, I hope your grandmother is doing well after the recent unrest. But that also makes me realize Jacob Zuma would be perfect for Casual Criminalist or Biographics. Plenty of bad to unpack there
In 1984 I was an articled clerk to a law firm in Pretoria and we represented Stander’s wife. During the 2 years I was there she fought for her portion of his will. Later I would complete my national service in the South African police force and would have an eerily similar experience with a lieutenant that also committed bank robberies, although he did them in order to pay gambling and other debts he had run up. His story would make for quite an interesting movie.
@@aitchie4532 Also the guy the video is about was Blake's boss' client, the LT he mentioned was a fellow cop he knew. Even if the LT wasn't convicted, what he said was not attorney-client priveleged, it was locker-room chat between cops.
The neutrality in these stories is greatly appreciated. It's sadly rare for true crime podcasts to actually respect the intelligence and moral integrity of the audience. Most people don't need to be told murder is bad.
You have to take into account that in those days the exchange rate was ZAR3 for USD1. The reason that a lot of white South Africans have "Van" in their last name is that most of us (Afrikaners) are of mostly Dutch descent. Into English "Van" translates as "From", so "Van Deventer" means that your ancestor was from a place called De Venter.
I'm so excited when I see a notification for this channel. 🤩🤩 Thank you, Simon. Callum - I'm sorry, but you'll have to stay in the basement a little longer 😔
I remember working in central Johannesburg in the 1980's just across from the street from a bank, which Andre hit one morning. There was utter pandemonium with cop cars screaming around all over the place. We all thought it was a terrorist bomb attack, which happened quite often during that time too
Johannesburg might not be on the top of your list of places to visit, but we have the Kruger National Park where you can go see wild animals and eat some of them too. Safaris are always fun.
My thoughts exactly! And on the other side there is the Cradle of Humankind! Right in the centre the incredible Constitutional Hill, which is where Stadler probably spend a little time... And was no real danger of meeting any angry victims of apartheid since Madiba would have been shipped off to Robin Island by then.
Personally, I enjoy the less horrifically violent crime stories just as much as the really gruesome ones. And you could probably find some interesting stories or characters amongst the moonshiners, such as The Real McCoy, Popcorn Sutton, or the Bondurant brothers.
Yay! Finally UA-cam has caught up with the podcast. Please tell us about Anni Dewani's honeymoon murder, or Henri van Breda's family murder. Piet Byleveld was a brilliant detective and there's a book with some of his cases, wherein you might find some content for next time. Also, a movie that might be interesting (but not true crime) to watch is Tsotsi.
My sister was a bank teller and once told a robber, “No,” because he hadn’t filled out a proper withdrawal slip. The guy got so flustered that he just ran out of the bank. The only reason she wasn’t fired was that my dad was the bank VP. 😆
I am South African and you can't really adjust for inflation, in the early 80's 30.000 Rand would buy you a three bedroom house in a decent suburb so 190,000 would actually be a lot.
Have you ever heard of the 'Whiskey Robber' (Viszkis Rabló)? Hungary's celebrity serial bank robber from the '90s, a former pro hockey player. He had a habit of consuming some liquid courage before each heist. By now he has served his sentence, appearently fully reformed and even has appeared in a reality show last year. Might worth an episode.
There is a really good Thomas Jane film on this story. 'Stander' is a bit romanticized, but doesn't stray too far from the true story and its inherent gritty nature. EDIT: Should have watched the entire episode before commenting.
@31:06 Giorgio Moroder is a film composer/electronic music innovator from the 70s. He's responsible for the Donna Summer song "I Feel Love", and he recorded with people like David Bowie, Blondie, Berlin, the Stones, ELO, Zeppelin, Queen, Elton John, and did soundtracks for movies like Scarface, Midnight Run, Neverending Story, etc... He deserves a free "Legend" t-shirt. :)
His soundtrack for the remastered and restored "Metropolis" by Fritz Lang from, what, 1981? was absolutely marvellous and is still a favourite of mine. Freddy Mercury had a song on it, "Love Kills," and Queen's music video for "Radio Gaga" was a tribute to the film.
My grandfather was a police officer at the time and he met Stander in prison when he took a prisoner there to be booked. He always said Stander was mild mannered and he outsmarted a lot of police officers. Legend also has it that the gang hid a stash of Kruger Rands somewhere. Thank you for doing this one. It has always been an intersting case. Btw, many of our surnames have 'Van' in them, which means from in Afrikaans. My grandfather always said that R4 in his time was what R400 is worth today. If you had R100 000 in 1970 you could buy 7 average sized homes in SA. Just to put it in perspective. 🇿🇦💛
There's no way it was in a lunch hour: Drive to airport, park and go through to board even arriving JIT - 1.5hrs Flight to Durban then - 2hrs (now 80min) Disembark, get to bank and commit robbery - 2hrs Repeat for return - 3.5hrs Total - 9hrs - helluva lunch hour I call BS on Callum's source.
I agree it could not have been in the lunchbreak, but you are way overestimating how long it would take. Driving time from Kempton Park, where he worked, to OR Tambo is 10 minutes, and in the 70s there was no hour-long waiting time at check-in, security etc like there is today. Not sure why you think getting off a plane and getting to a bank would take 2 hours. You could get to a bank from Durban International Airport in 15 minutes and do the robbery in 5. Also, average flight time Joburg-Durban today is 65 min, not 80. I don't think it took twice as long then. So my guesstimate is more like 4-5 hours in total.
It sounds like they were already investigating him. That is why his friend was with the secret police. That is how they set them up. They gain their trust. It most likely was no coincidence.
I'm not going to lie, how did Andre not know that his mate was in the secret police when they were both in Law Enforcement, like, wouldn't the regular South African police work with the secret police on some stuff?
Hm, Klaus Störtebeker might be an interesting choice for an alleged antihero criminal with the added bonus of being a (in more than one respect) legendary pirate (which is probably why you never did a Biographics feature on him). Another (and not hsitorically disputed option) would be the Schinderhannes (Johannes Bückler).
My parents actually knew Andre Stander. My father was one of his training officers, and Andre was a guest at our house on many occasions. My father worked the system from the inside, helping those he could because he spoke many languages. P.S. My father was in Tembisa and it was not a good place, a Molotov Cocktail actually exploded in his face. My Dad's salary was R800 p/m in 1984 as a Senior Officer, and jail in S.A. was really not a bad place in the old days. The case was well covered here back then. The RAND was worth a LOT at that time, with a Dollar worth only 50c. Their favourite car was a 3l Ford Cortina. The lone survivor later became an Anti Crime Activist working with children who are at risk of becoming criminals. I was a Late Lamb born in 77, so I can't remember him personally but my older sister did have a teenage crush on him. 48:36
"We've talked about both my grandmas in this episode" This is why the medium scripts are 50 mins long 🤣🤣🤣 and you try to blame danny on business blaze.
You can rebrand every criminal in America as criminals because lately only the criminals are being glorified. You guys do an awesome job. Love listening to this while I work.
I absolutely love how Simon always pretends to be lost in his thoughts, just to perform a sneaky topic swap...you're truly a great narrator, I'd love you to read some Discworld novels ;)
Hey, quick question: I was always taught that it was pronounced "Yohannesburg" but these days everyone seems to pronounce it "Joe-hannesberg". Could you please let me know what is the actual correct South African pronunciation? Thanks!
Actually Simon, you'd be the perfect bank teller with that attitude. It's policy to give the money with no hassle. Insurance will cover the loss and its safer for everyone in the bank to not spook the robber and risk excessive violence.
My family moved to South Africa in 1982, Andre Stander was only a hero to mainly racist Afrikaaners', his story was covered for an incredibly long time. He had nothing to do with The Struggle.
I'd like to see the case of Katherine Knight, an Australian woman who murdered her partner in a particularly gruesome manner, and was the first Aussie woman to get life without parole. Very grim story Edit: Alledgedly
I've always thought that: 1) Investigators would learn how to commit crimes without getting caught and 2) True crime shows tell criminals what not to do and how to avoid getting caught. 🙂
The flight from Joburg to Durban is 40 minutes just FYI. So robbery during lunch wasn't impossible. The airport was really close to the city those days.
Yay from South Africa! Would love it if you would do the Van Breda family murders. Andrè Stander was no Robin Hood, he was a cold, calculated criminal.
@@pegging640 And also how well Simon did with the pronunciations. Hi from SA where our max temperature today was 27C. Not feeling much like autumn yet.
@@Michelle-sw9uj Gert van Rooyen and Joey Haarhoff. That's quite a scary one yes. For years I wouldn't allow my children to ride anywhere alone with their bicycles.
Probably not the same back then but now they usually check police officers for large amounts of debt and bad credit when they get a job. If it is very bad they won't hire you, too temping to steal. I have a friend who couldn't get in because his credit score was 5-something.
I live in S A and remember this case very, very well. Andre Stander certainly did generate a certain amount of grudging admiration but his motive was never a Robin Hood or anything to do with apartheit, but simply a love of easy money. To his credit however, he never used violence in any of the crimes.
FYI Fleming only discovered the penicillin bug and wrote it up in a paper. It was Howard Florey and Ernst Chain and their team at Lincoln College that did most of the work that went on to develop the drug during the second world war. Fleming gets a lot of the credit- Florey was Australian and Chain was German and since the work happened in England, they both got side lined in favor of the British Fleming.
This is my favourite of all your many channels. It made a perfect break for me today. Thank you. The Tom Cruise movie was called simply, American Made. The character was Barry Seal. The same real life character pops up a fair bit actually, most notably it was in Narcos too. With the Florida drug wars of the 70s and 80s, and the drug runners, the one I enjoyed the most actually was the documentary. Cocaine Cowboys. Nothing's ever crazier than real life. I think, after the fact, one of the pilot's in that, Mickey Monday, ended up with 12 years in jail for things he'd admitted to in the documentary, but had until then got away with. He seems to have done jail time for other things previously, so maybe it was just a bit like, he forgot he'd actually gotten away with that bit. Oh, also, I'm Australian who used to do some writing, nothing big, some websites under psuedos type stuff. I can confirm though, that if you introduce yourself as an Australian Writer, absolutely no one ever asks what you wrote. Not ever. They just assume it's code for unemployment, invent their own whole reality for you, and then grill you for your employment history of 'real jobs'. So it's probably the perfect cover actually. Any other job, they'd actually ask real questions, this one, they never do.
Thanks for producing this. I grew up in South Africa and remember the media reports at the time. To add some colour: A girly mag in South Africa at the time (Scope Magazine) ran regular columns updating the public about Stander and the gang's activities. I wouldn't say they were romanticising it but they did make it appear adventurous, with their stolen Yellow Porsche Targa (absoluteley brazen, conspicuous choice). At the time, amongst the Scope Magazine readership, the police weren't particularly hated, but weren't much loved either. The renegade gang, and the scope columns delighted in taunting the police and this added to the gang's popularity more than any sympathy for Stander. It was pretty much the documented brazen adventure that had been painted at the time. I recall seeing the photo of Stander, dead, in the same magazine. Recalling how pitiful it made the man seem, with his downfall being the petty crime associated with a stolen vehicle. The movie Stander is worth the watch from a historical and reflective perspective if you're a South African, possibly also if you're not. The movie does a good job of showing what the Scope Magazine columns had tried to convey.
@@TheInvestiGatorYT I recently discovered a podcast that might be interesting. True Crime South Africa. The most recent one is a 3 (?) parter on the van Breda family that was killed by an axe wielding robber who didn't take anything.
@@moniqueotto2570 Many UA-camrs talking about crime discuss the same people, at the same time. Instead of getting some new stories from other places that has a lot. Go to any popular crime channel and you'll find the same stories on them all.
When brass is only a combo of zinc and copper it is not magnetic but if you add other compounds in that could make it magnetic to a degree. And yes I did spend 10 minutes looking that up because I suddenly needed to know.
Third time in 2 days you've released something that i haven't gotten notified for until hours later, but first time I'm glad the algo gods made me wait. This is gonna be the perfect listen.
"We talked about both my grandmas" You poor bastard, I have 4, and none of them live in South Africa. Edit: they're all on my mothers side. Im not kidding either.
@@tecumsehcristero my mother was adopted, and I know my biological grandmother as well, who is a lesbian, and I consider her partner my grandmother as well. There is also my cousins grandmother, who is Grammy to us all. Adopted Biological Partner "Adopted". 4 grandmothers, all on my mothers side, but hey, thanks for being a knob about my family relationships jackass...
@@tecumsehcristero you wanna tell me more about my family Mr. Internet Stranger? Maybe you want to tell me what my eye color is, and blood type, since I'm apparently wrong about the facts of my own damn life...
@@qionsaber2870 I actually feel quite accomplished. It had nothing to do with divorce. Though Grammy and Papa split up. They're still cool with each other though.
Giorgio Moreodor did the sound track and the theme for scarface, 1983, aswell as various other movies. Man's an icon and master composer/musician and understands how music can effect life
Has anyone suggested a casual criminalist video about that guy who keeps a writer and meme lord trapped in a basement with a sentient space heater?
🤣🤣🤣
I'm curious how many people wanted to write this comment but then ready saw yours and got frustrated. You know at least there's one......
DON'T WRITE DOWN YOUR CRIMES
Multiple writers - Callum and Danny are both confirmed to be in there with Sam and likely others.
Wait!! Is ETA still with Simon or was it removed to basement with guys sharing one lone candle and dreaming about designing an elevator?
O.G.B.B. Viewer Bingo;
> "Me and Callum, same page"
> Simon slaps the script.
> "Come on criminals, don't write down your crimes!"
I got bingo
We could make a great drinking game lol
Dang almost... I had a sarcastic “ALLEGEDLY”
Wouldn’t this bc OGCC
@@Lieutenxnt_Dxn nope. OGBB or nothing
My mom was a bank teller and she was robbed, and when she pressed the emergency button, the cops went to the wrong bank. They all thought the emergency button didn’t work but it was, in fact, police incompetence
Year?
@@greggreg385 2001 or 2002
Well (if your talking about south africa) that makes sense. The cops and government here are just a bunch of idiots.
@@unseasonedsalad Nono, in the USA thay are to 😂
@@unseasonedsalad i feel like the cops in the US are working desperately hard to be the Florida Man of police departments for the world. This would be comical, but they are involved in so much crime it's despicable.
I wish you would cover Marcel patiot the world war II serial killer in France it's an insane story that I would like to know more about
fantastic suggestion.
The fine folks over at Serial Killer Documentaries (SKD) have covered him.
That sounds interesting
@@bryanimal2272 Any given video will have been covered by a ton of different content creators.
That sounds perfect for this show
I swear almost every episode Simon is just like wishing the criminals would learn better and it cracks me up every time
How else are we supposed to get exciting crime if we don't hold our criminals to a higher standard?
It's really incredible how incompetent everyone in the stories usually is.
@@TheCasualCriminalist there's obviously a selection bias purely from the fact that we weren't involved in the crimes, so us knowing about them now doesn't bode well for a given criminal's setup
Yep it's funny
Hes like how dumb are these bad guys
@@TheCasualCriminalist true
You the man dude
I never thought I would be going into a bank wearing a mask and asking the teller for money until 2020 happened
I honestly never thought of it that way....
In fact I'm a bank teller... before 2020 it was like ..plz let me see your face(to pardanashin muslim) women....plz put down your helmet...
Now I don't even care about helmets
Lol
Understandable
And then being asked what denomination and trying to figure out how to say 'small bills' without sounding super sketchy.
Plot twist, OP was talking about the tanking economy in 2020 and actually robbed a bank
9:10 No we like you making little interruptions about personal experiences. I personally think it makes the video more interesting and relatable
3:45 - Chapter 1 - A robbery in Joburg
6:25 - Chapter 2 - Career discontent
7:45 - Chapter 3 - 1st robbery
10:45 - Chapter 4 - A prolific career
17:00 - Chapter 5 - Arrest & trial
21:35 - Chapter 6 - Jailbreak & the stander gang
23:45 - Chapter 7 - A daring escape
26:20 - Chapter 8 - 2nd escape & 2nd spree
31:40 - Chapter 9 - The gang splits up
34:30 - Chapter 10 - A fitting end
38:55 - Chapter 11 - A warped legacy
43:50 - Chapter 12 - Robin Hood was probably a dick
46:35 - Chapter 13 - Wrap up
48:25 - Dismembered appendices
PS: 39:50 , it's "Barry Seal : American Traffic" in Europe
How the hell did this guy fly 500km one way, rent a car, drive to a bank, rob it, return the car, and fly 500km back on his lunch break? That is quite the siesta
One thing about government employee lunch breaks in SA? They last as long as you need them to😂
You pick up your car at the airport, drive a nearby bank, spend two minutes in the bank and drive back to the airport for your twenty minute flight back. Once in your police vehicle again you are on duty.
Plus in those days you would have been given a full meal in both directions!
If you assume that you're not dealing with the level of security we're used to nowadays, and think of it more like taking a train or bus, that sounds like something you could pull off in an hour or two. Not a short lunch, but not unreasonably long.
Oh... here in sweden we have a antihero story, he stood up against the King and lived and fought in the woods. Its a heck of a story tbh. The man is called Nils Dacke. If you Google that name you will go down a rabbit hole 😍
Cool thanks
The emoji you put next to ‘going down a rabbit hole’ makes me think you mean something slightly different to how that euphemism is usually used.
@@dexocube its hard to spot if that was sarcasm or not? Simon did tell us to write about anything that we knew ourselves
@@therese369 wasn't being sarcastic. Looked him up, interesting story. Check out the outlaws of Romney Marsh. That'd make a great casual criminalist episode.
@@--enyo-- i just meant its a longer story and i love all the longer stories Simon tells on any of his channels 😊, its kind of swedens own Robin Hood story with bandits and taxes in the middle of the then untamed landscape cause this happend in 1510-1543 (those were the years he lived).
Come oooon Simon, just once, just a single time, start it by calling yourself "Ya boy with the Crime" =)
I'm backing this. That sounds hilarious.
#Legend
Legend
Legendary legend
Do this!!!
Little known fact: this series’ working title was “Pro Tips for the Casual Criminalist” before it was shortened. It was meant as case studies of criminals that got caught so that Simon can point out to amateur, aspiring criminals what they should avoid in the future so they don’t get caught. Allegedly.
But a criminalist is not a criminal...they're an investigator
"I don't care if I get fired; I would rather live."
That's the most legit statement ever.
Simon cones across as such a nice chap to work with. Bigging up the Callum awesomeness at the beginning (rightly so, Callus writes great scripts). Always mentions the editors too. Wholesome true crime channel.... well it works.
Except for trapping Callum in the basement....
Come to find out that Simon is the sith Lord of youtube......poor callum
@@MissMentats Shhhhhh
Unless you're Danny stuck in a basement... Barely hear from the poor bloke these days. Also I may have missed something, what happened to ETA.
@@TheCasualCriminalist And not to mention elder abuse. Neglect is abuse too you know! But all will be forgiven if you come down South!
idk why but I absolutely Love the tangents that Simon goes on about his family and life in general during these stories I feel like I’m watching Monday morning tea with Simon. Except there’s also murder involved usually so there is that 🤷🏼♂️
I think we all feel like that. 👍👍👍
Wait til you hear about Business Blaze... The tangents have their own tangents! And the whole thing is only tangentially related to Business
maybe tea time with Simon actually includes tea time?
With you on that !!
🇺🇸🇫🇷🇺🇸
I live in Johannesburg 🤣 I’ll visit your poor grandmother for you
That sounds like a threat. 😟
@@--enyo-- 🤣👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I've loved the detail and narrative to your shows for some time now, and being South African myself I'm ever more excited to see a South African based story on these channels. Hell, you sometimes cover details or stories that I hadn't even realized occurred, such as this one. And the lengthier and more complete the story is, the better xD Thanks to you and the team for the hard work and dedication to keep these channels running and the quality impeccable!
On a side note, I hope your grandmother is doing well after the recent unrest. But that also makes me realize Jacob Zuma would be perfect for Casual Criminalist or Biographics. Plenty of bad to unpack there
If you like true crime..bella monsoon(yt) is south african and covers south african true crime. Shes great
In 1984 I was an articled clerk to a law firm in Pretoria and we represented Stander’s wife. During the 2 years I was there she fought for her portion of his will.
Later I would complete my national service in the South African police force and would have an eerily similar experience with a lieutenant that also committed bank robberies, although he did them in order to pay gambling and other debts he had run up. His story would make for quite an interesting movie.
Eish.... does client confidentiality have a sell by date?
@@kathleenanne7868 What information did he disclose that was confidential?
@@kathleenanne7868 If this lieutenant was tried and convicted in open court, what is confidential:?
@@aitchie4532 Also the guy the video is about was Blake's boss' client, the LT he mentioned was a fellow cop he knew. Even if the LT wasn't convicted, what he said was not attorney-client priveleged, it was locker-room chat between cops.
The neutrality in these stories is greatly appreciated.
It's sadly rare for true crime podcasts to actually respect the intelligence and moral integrity of the audience.
Most people don't need to be told murder is bad.
'Daddy was a bankrobber,
who never hurt nobody.
He just loved to live that way,
and he loved to steal your money'
As soon as you put money in the bank it's not your money.
Always & forever my fave clash song
RIP Joe Strummer
@@TheWaterboarders RIP Keith Emerson
Ned Kelly and the Kelly gang would be a good one for Calum's breakdown style
You have to take into account that in those days the exchange rate was ZAR3 for USD1. The reason that a lot of white South Africans have "Van" in their last name is that most of us (Afrikaners) are of mostly Dutch descent. Into English "Van" translates as "From", so "Van Deventer" means that your ancestor was from a place called De Venter.
Correct, except that Deventer is an actual place in the Netherlands, and Venter isn't (de = the).
Also, the v is pronounced f.
I'm so excited when I see a notification for this channel. 🤩🤩
Thank you, Simon. Callum - I'm sorry, but you'll have to stay in the basement a little longer 😔
It’s my favourite channel. Best part I get to listen then watch it so double the value.
I used to love that cartoon Robin Hood. So awesome... The Tom Cruise movie is called American Made.
I remember working in central Johannesburg in the 1980's just across from the street from a bank, which Andre hit one morning. There was utter pandemonium with cop cars screaming around all over the place. We all thought it was a terrorist bomb attack, which happened quite often during that time too
Johannesburg might not be on the top of your list of places to visit, but we have the Kruger National Park where you can go see wild animals and eat some of them too. Safaris are always fun.
An absolutely beautiful country. I hope it survives .
My thoughts exactly! And on the other side there is the Cradle of Humankind!
Right in the centre the incredible Constitutional Hill, which is where Stadler probably spend a little time...
And was no real danger of meeting any angry victims of apartheid since Madiba would have been shipped off to Robin Island by then.
Has Callum thought about making a video about Greg Gingerich the Amish killer. I would love to hear the story told by you two.
Luckily for me, the only reason I actually listen to crime podcasts is in the hopes of hearing grandma stories.
That could be horribly dark. 😢
@donaldduck7193 😯 True cime stories ARE your grandma stories!!
Id love to see a video on Ned Kelly, because he's seen as a gun toting Robin Hood in the outback.
Ned Kelly is the ultimate anti-hero 👍🏼
Hardly call North Eastern Victoria the outback. But im all for Ned Kelly to be done by Simon so we can hear him butcher some more Australian names.
Personally, I enjoy the less horrifically violent crime stories just as much as the really gruesome ones. And you could probably find some interesting stories or characters amongst the moonshiners, such as The Real McCoy, Popcorn Sutton, or the Bondurant brothers.
Yes, Simon, South Africa does not have a jury.
But it did, once upon a time, briefly.
"This is a very weird train of thought...it is not entertaining"
But it IS entertaining, Simon!
A BB and a CC video in one day?!
**cues "Hallelujah Chorus"**
Edit: AND A BIOGRAPHICS VI **dies from excitement**
Yay! Finally UA-cam has caught up with the podcast. Please tell us about Anni Dewani's honeymoon murder, or Henri van Breda's family murder. Piet Byleveld was a brilliant detective and there's a book with some of his cases, wherein you might find some content for next time. Also, a movie that might be interesting (but not true crime) to watch is Tsotsi.
My dad works in a bank (not a teller, it's just where his office is) and then give them training for robberies where they say just comply
My sister was a bank teller and once told a robber, “No,” because he hadn’t filled out a proper withdrawal slip. The guy got so flustered that he just ran out of the bank. The only reason she wasn’t fired was that my dad was the bank VP. 😆
Hooray, nepotism! Also lol having the cojones to tell the robber he needs to fill out a withdrawal slip, brava to your sis.
I am South African and you can't really adjust for inflation, in the early 80's 30.000 Rand would buy you a three bedroom house in a decent suburb so 190,000 would actually be a lot.
My parents bought their house for R26000 in 1979. R 190000 would go far in the early 1980s.
@@nataschavisser573 I bought a two bedroom flat in 1985 for R60 000. It would now fetch a minimum of R2.5 million.
Have you ever heard of the 'Whiskey Robber' (Viszkis Rabló)? Hungary's celebrity serial bank robber from the '90s, a former pro hockey player. He had a habit of consuming some liquid courage before each heist. By now he has served his sentence, appearently fully reformed and even has appeared in a reality show last year. Might worth an episode.
There is a really good Thomas Jane film on this story. 'Stander' is a bit romanticized, but doesn't stray too far from the true story and its inherent gritty nature.
EDIT: Should have watched the entire episode before commenting.
@31:06 Giorgio Moroder is a film composer/electronic music innovator from the 70s. He's responsible for the Donna Summer song "I Feel Love", and he recorded with people like David Bowie, Blondie, Berlin, the Stones, ELO, Zeppelin, Queen, Elton John, and did soundtracks for movies like Scarface, Midnight Run, Neverending Story, etc...
He deserves a free "Legend" t-shirt. :)
His soundtrack for the remastered and restored "Metropolis" by Fritz Lang from, what, 1981? was absolutely marvellous and is still a favourite of mine. Freddy Mercury had a song on it, "Love Kills," and Queen's music video for "Radio Gaga" was a tribute to the film.
I can't believe Simon missed the "Reunited" reference in the story about a "white Lionel Richie" bank robber. Good on ya, Callum.
As a South African I love this video
Thanks for making it
Simon's been doing too much business blaze again.
Business Blaze: Not even once.
lol
@@TheCasualCriminalist no such thing as too much Business Blaze.
Medium is 50 minutes now? I dig it.
Can you dig it ?! 😎
With Simon's rambling it is.
Agreed! I love simons stuff, the more the better😂
Simon: "Are cops all moral people?"
*shifts gaze toward America*
Also Simon: "I don't think so."
My grandfather was a police officer at the time and he met Stander in prison when he took a prisoner there to be booked. He always said Stander was mild mannered and he outsmarted a lot of police officers. Legend also has it that the gang hid a stash of Kruger Rands somewhere. Thank you for doing this one. It has always been an intersting case. Btw, many of our surnames have 'Van' in them, which means from in Afrikaans. My grandfather always said that R4 in his time was what R400 is worth today. If you had R100 000 in 1970 you could buy 7 average sized homes in SA. Just to put it in perspective. 🇿🇦💛
If we can start finding all the Kruger Rand stashes allegedly hidden accross this country...
We're on our way to getting a Simon Whistler full length film
Simon solving the systematic flaws with the police system in a few waffley sentences is the best thing I’ve heard all year
There's no way it was in a lunch hour:
Drive to airport, park and go through to board even arriving JIT - 1.5hrs
Flight to Durban then - 2hrs (now 80min)
Disembark, get to bank and commit robbery - 2hrs
Repeat for return - 3.5hrs
Total - 9hrs - helluva lunch hour
I call BS on Callum's source.
I agree it could not have been in the lunchbreak, but you are way overestimating how long it would take.
Driving time from Kempton Park, where he worked, to OR Tambo is 10 minutes, and in the 70s there was no hour-long waiting time at check-in, security etc like there is today.
Not sure why you think getting off a plane and getting to a bank would take 2 hours. You could get to a bank from Durban International Airport in 15 minutes and do the robbery in 5. Also, average flight time Joburg-Durban today is 65 min, not 80. I don't think it took twice as long then.
So my guesstimate is more like 4-5 hours in total.
Shout out from South africa 🇿🇦 🙌. All time hero.
It sounds like they were already investigating him. That is why his friend was with the secret police. That is how they set them up. They gain their trust. It most likely was no coincidence.
I'm not going to lie, how did Andre not know that his mate was in the secret police when they were both in Law Enforcement, like, wouldn't the regular South African police work with the secret police on some stuff?
@@Kaltagstar96 they're secret for a reason man. You think the Kansas city police have a list of all the CIA agents?
Australia’s most famous Bush Ranger! Ned Kelly! It’s a great story and the ending is worth it all!!!!
Hm, Klaus Störtebeker might be an interesting choice for an alleged antihero criminal with the added bonus of being a (in more than one respect) legendary pirate (which is probably why you never did a Biographics feature on him). Another (and not hsitorically disputed option) would be the Schinderhannes (Johannes Bückler).
My parents actually knew Andre Stander. My father was one of his training officers, and Andre was a guest at our house on many occasions. My father worked the system from the inside, helping those he could because he spoke many languages.
P.S. My father was in Tembisa and it was not a good place, a Molotov Cocktail actually exploded in his face.
My Dad's salary was R800 p/m in 1984 as a Senior Officer, and jail in S.A. was really not a bad place in the old days.
The case was well covered here back then. The RAND was worth a LOT at that time, with a Dollar worth only 50c.
Their favourite car was a 3l Ford Cortina.
The lone survivor later became an Anti Crime Activist working with children who are at risk of becoming criminals.
I was a Late Lamb born in 77, so I can't remember him personally but my older sister did have a teenage crush on him. 48:36
"We've talked about both my grandmas in this episode"
This is why the medium scripts are 50 mins long 🤣🤣🤣 and you try to blame danny on business blaze.
wasn't danny only like in the first episode?
@@brianleavitt6877 and I hate socialising.
I think the music and sound effects were spot on in this one. Great job, Jen!
i feel sorry for all the people who have never heard of any of simons other channels
Soooo good, funny , entertaining, love when he’s goes off on a tangent, , more
The #1 rule of being a ‘casual criminal’, don’t tell anyone,
Absolutely no one ☝️
MUM
Yeah but they gotta tell about their exploits
Men are built that way
Hey ya know what I did last Tuesday
So cool
You gotta hear this
Lol
NOT EVEN YER MUM
You can rebrand every criminal in America as criminals because lately only the criminals are being glorified. You guys do an awesome job. Love listening to this while I work.
i am south african, Andre Stander is a legend criminal... please do an episode on daisy demelker.
Also come visit your nan
And figure out that prisons in South Africa did not have black prisoners mingling with white imprisoned cops...
The movie staring Thomas Jane about him was very good. I was impressed.
Loved it as usual, shoutout to Jen's epic music score
And to her memes. I love how she doesn’t use kids. It’s my only gripe with BB.
I absolutely love how Simon always pretends to be lost in his thoughts, just to perform a sneaky topic swap...you're truly a great narrator, I'd love you to read some Discworld novels ;)
Just a South African watching laughing at your pronunciation. Don't anything. It's hilarious.
Hey, quick question: I was always taught that it was pronounced "Yohannesburg" but these days everyone seems to pronounce it "Joe-hannesberg". Could you please let me know what is the actual correct South African pronunciation? Thanks!
@@KryssLaBryn Joe. Used to be a lovely safe city. Not anymore.
@@shadekiahpops8988 Thanks; I'll use the proper pronunciation then heh. Sorry to hear that. Maybe it will be again some day.
@@rolandoscar1696 Wrong! Gauteng refers to the province that both Johannesburg and Pretoria are in.
@@jms855 Pretoria is Pretoria. Tshwane refers to the Greater Metro municipality.
Damn that Disney Robin Hood brought back some nostalgia, great edit Jen.
You need to make a header page for all of Simon's Pro Criminal Tips. 😂
I can feel a t-shirt coming on.
Have you heard about the "Sunday Morning Slasher?" Coral Eugene Watts of Michigan. He got immunity for a dozen murders and almost got release.
Actually Simon, you'd be the perfect bank teller with that attitude. It's policy to give the money with no hassle. Insurance will cover the loss and its safer for everyone in the bank to not spook the robber and risk excessive violence.
My family moved to South Africa in 1982, Andre Stander was only a hero to mainly racist Afrikaaners', his story was covered for an incredibly long time. He had nothing to do with The Struggle.
Simon...I love you 😂. Someone makes a joke and you immediately think if it's possible first...and then talk about your Gran lmao
@26:26 Eugene Tackleberry is the ultimate quintessential cop!! RIP David Graf
I'd like to see the case of Katherine Knight, an Australian woman who murdered her partner in a particularly gruesome manner, and was the first Aussie woman to get life without parole. Very grim story
Edit: Alledgedly
If you find the time you should take look into the Nijvel Gang/Brabant Killers. It would make for an insane multi part episode.
I've always thought that:
1) Investigators would learn how to commit crimes without getting caught and
2) True crime shows tell criminals what not to do and how to avoid getting caught. 🙂
The David Bain case is an interesting and debated one here in NZ. Might be worth a cc episode!
How about Lord Lucan? I can already hear Simon asking "What's going on?"
The flight from Joburg to Durban is 40 minutes just FYI. So robbery during lunch wasn't impossible. The airport was really close to the city those days.
This is legit my new favorite channel
2nd to Business Blaze
Business blaze then this channel. SIMON WHISTLER FOR PRESID....oh, wait, he's not American. That sucks.
I would love to see you (and Callum) cover the John List murders. It'd probably be one of the short episodes, but I'd still love to hear it.
Yay from South Africa! Would love it if you would do the Van Breda family murders. Andrè Stander was no Robin Hood, he was a cold, calculated criminal.
I love all the dutch names, greetings from flanders!
@@pegging640 And also how well Simon did with the pronunciations. Hi from SA where our max temperature today was 27C. Not feeling much like autumn yet.
Or about a serial killer we don't know much about. What about Gert van Rooyen who kidnapped children or that guy who escaped in Pretoria (Chauke?)?
@@Michelle-sw9uj Gert van Rooyen and Joey Haarhoff. That's quite a scary one yes. For years I wouldn't allow my children to ride anywhere alone with their bicycles.
25:40 the smokey and the bandit clip really cought me of guard lol 🍻 Simon and Co. for all your awesome channels
Probably not the same back then but now they usually check police officers for large amounts of debt and bad credit when they get a job. If it is very bad they won't hire you, too temping to steal. I have a friend who couldn't get in because his credit score was 5-something.
Tell people you work in quality assurance. Their eyes glazing over, you will never be pestered with further questions.
It’d be great if you cover the backpacker murders in Australia, so the world can have a true version of what happened instead of Wolf Creek.
Ivan Milat, right?
@@michaeltobias3110 Yes, I meant those. That family is sick. But I think wolf creek combines that with Joanne Lees story. Either would do.
Well it has been done now
I live in S A and remember this case very, very well.
Andre Stander certainly did generate a certain amount of grudging admiration but his motive was never a Robin Hood or anything to do with apartheit, but simply a love of easy money. To his credit however, he never used violence in any of the crimes.
Make an episode about Dutroux the biggest devil ever to be born in Belgium a man who shocked a country to its soul.
FYI Fleming only discovered the penicillin bug and wrote it up in a paper. It was Howard Florey and Ernst Chain and their team at Lincoln College that did most of the work that went on to develop the drug during the second world war. Fleming gets a lot of the credit- Florey was Australian and Chain was German and since the work happened in England, they both got side lined in favor of the British Fleming.
That's sad.
Tell him “I’m the host! Don’t make me blast Yuko through the speakers in the basement again!”
"Yoko? Oh NO!"
This is my favourite of all your many channels. It made a perfect break for me today. Thank you.
The Tom Cruise movie was called simply, American Made. The character was Barry Seal. The same real life character pops up a fair bit actually, most notably it was in Narcos too. With the Florida drug wars of the 70s and 80s, and the drug runners, the one I enjoyed the most actually was the documentary. Cocaine Cowboys. Nothing's ever crazier than real life. I think, after the fact, one of the pilot's in that, Mickey Monday, ended up with 12 years in jail for things he'd admitted to in the documentary, but had until then got away with. He seems to have done jail time for other things previously, so maybe it was just a bit like, he forgot he'd actually gotten away with that bit.
Oh, also, I'm Australian who used to do some writing, nothing big, some websites under psuedos type stuff. I can confirm though, that if you introduce yourself as an Australian Writer, absolutely no one ever asks what you wrote. Not ever. They just assume it's code for unemployment, invent their own whole reality for you, and then grill you for your employment history of 'real jobs'. So it's probably the perfect cover actually. Any other job, they'd actually ask real questions, this one, they never do.
There is some Business Blazeness sneaking into the channel :D Like it!
Thanks for producing this. I grew up in South Africa and remember the media reports at the time. To add some colour: A girly mag in South Africa at the time (Scope Magazine) ran regular columns updating the public about Stander and the gang's activities. I wouldn't say they were romanticising it but they did make it appear adventurous, with their stolen Yellow Porsche Targa (absoluteley brazen, conspicuous choice). At the time, amongst the Scope Magazine readership, the police weren't particularly hated, but weren't much loved either. The renegade gang, and the scope columns delighted in taunting the police and this added to the gang's popularity more than any sympathy for Stander. It was pretty much the documented brazen adventure that had been painted at the time.
I recall seeing the photo of Stander, dead, in the same magazine. Recalling how pitiful it made the man seem, with his downfall being the petty crime associated with a stolen vehicle. The movie Stander is worth the watch from a historical and reflective perspective if you're a South African, possibly also if you're not. The movie does a good job of showing what the Scope Magazine columns had tried to convey.
Ah never knew much on South African crime! Maybe I should feature some on my channel :) Great video again.
There's a whole lot of crime in South Africa, you won't have to look far to get something interesting. Even the top cops are criminals.
@@Michelle-sw9uj I'll look into some! Have so far only covered European/Asia crime :)
SA has a shitload of crime.
@@TheInvestiGatorYT I recently discovered a podcast that might be interesting. True Crime South Africa. The most recent one is a 3 (?) parter on the van Breda family that was killed by an axe wielding robber who didn't take anything.
@@moniqueotto2570 Many UA-camrs talking about crime discuss the same people, at the same time. Instead of getting some new stories from other places that has a lot. Go to any popular crime channel and you'll find the same stories on them all.
Thanks for putting in all this work doing projects simon and team, they've helped me a lot during this pandemic. Keep up the good work 💪
When brass is only a combo of zinc and copper it is not magnetic but if you add other compounds in that could make it magnetic to a degree. And yes I did spend 10 minutes looking that up because I suddenly needed to know.
Third time in 2 days you've released something that i haven't gotten notified for until hours later, but first time I'm glad the algo gods made me wait. This is gonna be the perfect listen.
"We talked about both my grandmas"
You poor bastard, I have 4, and none of them live in South Africa.
Edit: they're all on my mothers side. Im not kidding either.
No, you have 1 grandmother on your mother's side. It is physically impossible for your mother to be born from 4 different women
Via divorces you can have more. Not biological. That way I have 3.
@@tecumsehcristero my mother was adopted, and I know my biological grandmother as well, who is a lesbian, and I consider her partner my grandmother as well. There is also my cousins grandmother, who is Grammy to us all.
Adopted
Biological
Partner
"Adopted".
4 grandmothers, all on my mothers side, but hey, thanks for being a knob about my family relationships jackass...
@@tecumsehcristero you wanna tell me more about my family Mr. Internet Stranger? Maybe you want to tell me what my eye color is, and blood type, since I'm apparently wrong about the facts of my own damn life...
@@qionsaber2870 I actually feel quite accomplished. It had nothing to do with divorce. Though Grammy and Papa split up. They're still cool with each other though.
Andre was a better robber than a cop, we all knew that, speaking from 40years in SAPS .Good video Simon.
Just caught up on all your videos and this just appeared! Heeeere we go again
Giorgio Moreodor did the sound track and the theme for scarface, 1983, aswell as various other movies. Man's an icon and master composer/musician and understands how music can effect life