2023 Toyota bZ4X - The Brand's First Full EV Family Off-Roader
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- See my full review of the all-new Toyota bZ4X - also sold as the Subaru Solterra, and the Lexus RZ is also based on this car. It's Toyota's electric car equivalent of their own RAV4. I take a look around it, share specs, try out the inside for size and take it for a drive!
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52 grand for a car that will be worth 25 grand in 2 years,how many folk can afford that.
and with 80-100 mile real world motorway range (at 70mph).
You need to watch videos of people who have had electric cars, expensive in all aspects price, service,parts ,so for me ill stick to my petrol ⛽
Just as bad as an ICE which may not be worth fixing in a crash., Engines aren't cheap either. They are supposed to be more reliable than ICE engines. The biggest problem is the battery pack. (most of which is degraded due to incorrect charging, fast driving and overheating of the batteries. You can get a car that will only do 60 miles range now and done 30,000 miles whereas another will do 90 miles and have done 60,000 miles (with 90% state of health), Followed by suspension and tyre wear. But depending on your driving style this would be just as bad as in an ICE car.
Yet again, no spare tyre. Its almost like they dont want us to drive 2 far. The design leaves me glacially cool, all well and good but the increasing reliance on tech means it will be expensive to fix if/when it goes wrong and no doubt this wll also be factored in with MOT's. Beyond Zero? Beyond a dystopean joke more like. Great vids BCG BTW!
Once again worth mentioning range. You're looking at 80 to 100 miles of motorway range in real world conditions after a few years of ownership, less if you are not able to pre-condition the battery before you set off. So that's 1h15m to to 1h25m of driving if you've preconditioned the battery, more like 1h if you haven't at 70mph before you have to stop. The 45 minute charge is also assuming the charger isn't being used or broken. The car may also decide it wants to charge slower today for battery maintenance (which does happen from owner experiences). Make sure this is enough for your use case.
How did I get there? - EV-database puts this as 140 to 175 miles at 70mph depending on the weather with a brand new battery 100 to 0%. After a 2-4 years of battery degradation, this is going to be 120 to 150 miles. However nobody uses it all the way down to 0, so in real world situations, leaving an extra 10 miles just in case (ideally more!), you're looking at 80 to 100 miles of real world motorway range.
Smart meters can back feed the Grid from a battery in the same way as the grid can be back fed from solar panels.
As our generating capacity drops with the decommissioning of Gas and remaining coal power stations, this could be
factored in. Your overnight charge might not be as full as you hoped.
@@barleyarrish A smart meter doesn't backfeed into the grid, it only measures what was exported. A storage battery or car isn't going to be sucked dry just because there's a smart meter in the property.
Avoid EVs 👍
Why??
I thought this channel was anti EV?@@Blackmamba12345
@@Blackmamba12345 Because he's been watching all the biased media attention. I guess he gets his facts from "The Sun" and "Daily Mail"
@@mrfoamerukYou sound like a typical EV fanatic fanboy 😂
@@farangtravels3956 I'm not a fanboy and my other car is a diesel. Both have their place.
EV's biggest problem is the range and the fact you get ripped off at power stations.
a normal home tariff in most homes is about 30p/kWh. so my leaf would work out 6p per mile (it does 5.5m per kwh). Since we have a EV package from British Gas we get a night rate of 10p/kwh so we pay 2p per mile. Chargers will cost about 60p/kwh so you are paying 12p per mile. I guess still cheaper than petrol and diesel but not by much and those are more convenient when on the road doing long journeys.
12p per mile for city driving, more like 20-25p per mile at 70mph. This is vs 12p in an economical diesel car on the motorway.
@@DigiDriftZone You're right, non-motorway driving is cheaper in an EV (usually and with home charging) whilst motorway driving (and paying at the EV pump) would put the price above diesel/petrol at times. And both petrol and electricity have had their increases/decreases which have made them better/worse from time to time.
@@mrfoameruk Yes, so for example my trip to North Wales from Romford this weekend cost around £60 in diesel, it would cost around £125 in an EV with the public charging available, that's quite painful and would've swayed me to flying somewhere instead, especially since it also would've increased my stops from 1 in an ICE to 4-5 in an EV.
If you are doing largely city driving that's ok, but this rather stark difference in price in favour of diesel is often surprising to those that were told EVs are cheaper to run. In the city, yes, way cheaper but for my use case, I don't drive in London as public transport is more convenient. So depending on your use case an EV could be much better, or much worse.
@@DigiDriftZone We drove from East Midlands to Switzerland and back, 1,680 miles for £156. Cheaper than our diesel. That's the worst case. For the vast majority of driving it's home charging so overall the per mile rates are very much cheaper than ICE where the pump price is pretty much always the same, no off peak diesel.
@@djtaylorutube Is that due to cheaper charging in Europe? - that's averaging around 9p per mile where the chargers I drive past are 60p / kWh which would be around 21p per mile or closer to £350 in charging for a trip of that length.
Even home charging would be 12p per mile (at 70mph) if you're charging during the day (roughly matching diesel). It's only night time charging when it becomes cheaper than diesel.
Unfortunately I don't have off street parking so an EV would be impractical for me (and about half the population), but just trying to work this out: if I switched to an EV rate I would pay an extra £60 per month in electricity (even without an EV, as day time energy is more expensive). So assuming 1,000 miles per month at a reduced rate of 6p per mile + £60 extra per month, that's £120 in electricity cost or 8p per mile, more or less what you're describing but that would be the best case scenario, not the worst case.
That 8p per mile used to be 6p per mile last year before they changed that night rate discount here in Havering. I wonder if they will reduce the discount further in the coming year or two so that EVs cost roughly the same as an economical ICE to run, hmm.
I don't like light-coloured dash panels as they produce problems when looking out, especially at night when the reflections can be off putting. Matt black just makes more sense.
54k no thanks.spend 30 on a good classic that will appreciate and run a 2k shitbox
Make sure your key fob is well out of range if a local cat crawls underneath, like several do at my place!
The drone footage shows how wide it is, compared with lots of parked cars along your route. I’ve seen one in the dealer’s showroom earlier this year, and at twice the price and half the range c.f. my existing Toyota, I don’t think I’d want one of those.
The absence of a rear wiper reminds me of one of the older Honda Civics I had. They did not have them, because the aerodynamics made them unnecessary, but so many punters grumbled about it, they put them in again on the next model!
Interesting presentation though. Did it have “Lane Trace Assist” (LTA) on automatically? It probably also uses radar for distance measurement when using cruise as well (other Toyotas do now).
Great review. How did you get the drone footage?
With a drone! 😜🤣
@@BrownCarGuy I thought it was Mrs BCG in a helicopter.
@@mrfoameruk She'd taken the helicopter shopping! 😂😂😂
@@BrownCarGuy Hope the helicopter is ULEZ compliant. 🚁
Also it would be interesting y to see the bonnet. How accessible are the components that require maintenance such as A/C. Now there’s no clutch or belts attached I guess. 👍🙏
ECO mode is the way I like to drive anyway. It means passengers get a nicer ride as it takes off slower and you end up breaking slower. if the by-product of that is I get better mileage, good. The only time I take it off eco mode is if I'm at a fast roundabout where a sudden boost of speed is needed. Then back to eco mode. All done with a button on the steering wheel.
Lucky can’t afford 55k 🤷🏽♂️
Diesel for me, Ev, take too long charging 45 minutes 😢 I could be halfway up the M1, with my diesel hahaha
Or charge at home in next to no time with costs of possibly 2p per mile compared to diesel which could be 15p to 20p. You would also be pulling in for a break after a couple hours so you don't spend that time standing just by the power station.
The bigger problem is you're stopping for 45 minutes every hour or so of motorway driving.
@@DigiDriftZone Seems the quoted range is 318 so bring that down to 240 (real life) which is 3 hours of 70mph driving. It can be charged from 20% to 80% in 20/30 minutes it seems. So possibly at worse 30 minutes every 3 hours. So time for a tinkle and Costa.
@@mrfoameruk The quoted range isn't at 70mph. You're looking at 80 to 100 miles of motorway range in real world conditions after a few years of ownership, less if you are not able to pre-condition the battery before you set off. Make sure this is enough for your use case.
How did I get there? - EV-database puts this car at 140 to 175 miles at 70mph depending on the weather with a brand new battery 100% to absolute 0% battery. After a 2-4 years of battery degradation, this is going to be 120 to 150 miles. However nobody uses it all the way down to 0%, so in real world situations, leaving an extra 10 miles just in case (ideally more!), you're looking at 80 to 100 miles of real world motorway range (10% to 85% battery use - it will be too slow to charge above this anyway).
So that's 1h15m to to 1h25m of driving if you've preconditioned the battery, more like 1h if you haven't. The 45 minute charge is also assuming the charger isn't being used or broken. The car may also decide it wants to charge slower today for battery maintenance (which does happen from owner experiences).
@@DigiDriftZone so 140 miles 2hr (-10 degrees with the heater on) to 2.5 hours of average weather driving.
Most people will get anxiety at 20 miles left so 20 minutes off those times. Battery life depends on how it's abused so figures down the line are speculative and with newer batteries, this is getting less of an issue.
BCG said the battery is guaranteed to keep 70% after 10 years so an annual degradation worse-case scenario of 3% per year. Most will be IMO half of that at 1.5% per year.
There is the other point that after 80% batteries do tend to charge a lot slower so fuller charges will take more time. So yes charging is a pain and stops would need to take this into account.
I want to like EVs but the maths just doesn't add up, where I do think an EV could be good is if buying a used Tesla which as already took a lot of the depreciation. To me a 3 second 0-60 car is a supercar, if I am looking at supercars the servicing, maintenance costs and MPG are ridiculous, this to me is where the EV shines, a family car that can 0-60 in 3 seconds and doesn't cost thousands per year to maintain. Electric motors are better than combustion engines in every single way, it's the batteries that have always been the problem which is why we switched from electric to combustion in 1886 with the electric car coming out in 1884, we still haven't got the battery right, hopefully in 20 years or so they may find a better battery technology.
Is there a graph that could compare the energy consumed when you drive at 20mph, 50mph, 70mph?
I’m interested in learning about the difference between driving urban or driving motorways.
I would like to see that as well. Looking it seems a lot say 25/30mph is the most efficient and either side of that it’s get worse. Also the faster you get the worse it get exponentially. Supposedly tyres are about 20% of the total loss so efficient tyres and slightly over inflating them help.
I thought EV's were going to bring in a new style of car that were curvy and aerodynamic to get better fuel efficiency by reducing drag. It seemed a lot of companies were doing this. It now seems because batteries have got better this has been left at the roadside. We don't need to think about efficiency. We now have this EV that seems not to care (ie the blunt bit on the front) although I can see some styling (the inlet at the front of the front wheels) that does seem to show they did look into it a bit.
I agree with you actually, I've been saying this for a long time, that since we now have a unique 'skateboard' architecture for the platform and drivetrain, designers should be free to create real adventurous shapes and designs. Why does this have a front bonnet for example? LOL. However from industry conversations I've had, it seems that manufacturers are worried about consumer acceptance of anything too radical. Perhaps we'll gradually more to more exciting designs as we move forward. Fingers crossed!
@@BrownCarGuy Maybe they should aim for something familiar but new if they are worried about acceptance. Like an MG/Capi style car, or a true (mini) mini replacement. .
I'm not into cars but I can't say anything I have seen in the last 5 years has stood out like older cars did.
Ironically, Toyota went down that route with the design of their Prius, which has one of the best aerodynamic drag co-efficient numbers. Probably doesn’t suit the SUV style of many popular models though. Much of the design of SUVs is contradictory to good thermal efficiency, with a boxy shape and high ground clearance!
@@johnkeepin7527 just took the wife to the supermarket. there were 5 SUVs from 5 different companies, and all were next to identical like the one in this video. Perhaps that is why we like our Kia Soul. Not the prettiest of cars but at least a bit different.
There should be a place for more out-of-the-norm cars for people that want to be different..
Who Remembers the GM EV1 Saga? A streamlined little beauty 1996-99. Who Killed It?
Interesting Shazzad - thanks but NO THANKS! There was not one sentence you uttered that made that an attractive buy. One can buy FAR cheaper, more luxurious, more spacious and quicker, LONG range, quick fueling, cheap-to insure 'executive' cars (like your BMW and my Jag.) for a FRACTION of that price - and that will be fine for another 15 years yet. (provided they don't move the goalposts again). Enjoy your reviews! Diolch from 20mph Wales. :D
~22 pence per mile, and ~21 seconds to charge per mile, at a public charger, for a ~205 mile range, mmm.
Compare that with my 2018 Toyota Avensis Turbodiesel:
~13 pence per mile, and ~0.5 seconds to fuel per mile, at a public fuel station, for a ~660 mile range...
So a 660 mile journey would require ~5 minutes to fuel my existing Toyota, and the same journey would require ~3 hours 51 minutes to charge this new BZ4X Toyota...
Plus the BZ4X would cost £145.20 in energy for the trip, and my Toyota would cost £88.80 for the trip, so an extra £56.40.
If you can find somewhere to charge the Toyota...
On top of that I bought mine for £13k in 2021, how much will a 2023 BZ4X cost in 2026?
Nah, I'm good...
Nice maths there! 💯
I also plan to keep my Toyota for at least another 5 years, and the 60 litre diesel capacity will remain at 100% at that time... So my range will be ~660 miles, and the BZ4X range will be 30% lower, increasing the 3 hours 51 minutes charging by 30% to ~5 hours 30 minutes...
That's a NO from me.
It depends on your circumstances. Long journeys are better to go diesel at 13p per mile BUT.....
Charge at home for say 3p per mile(off-peak British gas) then it makes sense for journeys that are inside of your range or more if they will charge it the other end. Newer cars are now available that 200 miles so a 100-mile trip is doable and will most probably cover 95% of journeys
Driving around locally it will do even better than a diesel stuck in traffic.
Diesels=good for long journeys. EV's great for charging at home and limiting your drive to what your car can do.
@@mrfoameruk You're only focussing on the fuel/energy cost though, and I've not even touched on road pricing for EVs as a means for the Government to claw back the loss of tax revenue as the ICE fleet diminishes, or the fact that there's currently no plans to increase electricity production by 60% to cover the requirements for road transport, or the lack of progress to install the 35,000 public charging points required to support road transport. Then there's the Capital Costs of buying an EV, and the company admitted 30% loss in range after 10 years (under perfect conditions/usage).
I will be towing a twin axle caravan with an MTPLM of up to 1800kgs on a regular basis (which will reduce my range in the turbodiesel, maybe 25-30% yet to find out), but the modern road tests for EVs undertaking the same have a range of ~100 miles on 100% charge, in most cases this is at least a 50% reduction in range making touring caravan holidays and any serious towing impracticable, and I'm fairly sure this wouldn't be perfect conditions/usage of the battery in an EV.
Whilst we personally won't be getting an EV, we do have an outdoor 13amp caravan type socket on an outside wall for any friends that turn up and it suits their needs.
Our diesels switch themselves off when waiting in traffic, the wife's 2014 C3 1.6 diesel has done 78mpg but more likely does 60+mpg, my Avensis can do 65mpg, but is more likely to do 50+mpg, both have been tuned, hers for economy, mine for towing. Rural Shropshire isn't really EV friendly, and EVs aren't towing friendly, so we've got what suits us.
@@Judge_Dredd You're right, for towing a twin axle caravan, stick with the diesel although just for fun, the same argument applies here with regard to the caravan capital outlay. I could stay in a LOT of hotels for the same cost and not have to factor a specific car to lug temporary accommodation about :)
The only thing that matters though is to choose and use what works best for the individual, it's as simple as that really.
Might as well buy a good vintage car then you have no road tax mot if you Don't want to and probably around £100 insurance depending on the car and drive anywhere with no ulez and a hell of a lot cheaper to buy depending again on modal so 54k no also to much going on with electric cars catching light don't fo the range that they say as in summer you will get more and less in winter especially when you have heaters on etc so it's a big no for me
I will see what happens with the new synthetic fuel comes only way to go I think maybe electric cars would suite some
Except for a complete lack of safety features, deathtraps these days given the way some people drive.
Looks cool, I'm in the market for another EV.
To drive one while the other is charging? :)
Even Japan will have to produce cars in China.
I am sure it will appeal to the virtue signalers.
and lovers of child slavery
Why do so many of these electric vehicles look so ugly