Ravens lost 10 points to turnovers. Then they want to give Lamar credit for almost coming back? That's like giving some one credit for putting out a fire they started.
They only scored on the fumble, and that’s okay ravens can Survive 2 TO they’re that great of a team. But Andrews fumble that was a killer. Ravens run Derek Henry there and go up by 4.
lamar played great. he outplayed josh allen in buffalo in the snow. the refs gave the ravens a free td before halftime with bad pass interference call. the bills D was playing lights out and Lamar still was a savant in bad weather. he had on bad throw. the fumble was a bad snap. the 90 yards drive to tie the game with 2 min left was crazy. he 100% outplayed josh allen in this game.
What I'm kinda annoyed about the current media coverage of this game is that it's sounds like the turnovers just..happened without any real causation behind them which just isn't true. The Bills defense played their hearts out and GOT those turnovers to happen. I agree that the Bills offense and Josh Allen didn't play super great, but their defense stepped up and made crucial plays and caused turnovers to try and win the game, and win the game they did. This game kinda shuts up the narrative that winning is a QB stat because our QB didn't have the greatest game but the Bills still won because of defensive playmakers. More needs to be said about how a Milano blitz caused an interception, how the D-line caused a sack-fumble, and how Terrel Bernard had the best peanut punch fumble and recovery of his career, all in the same game. This win was a Buffalo team effort and that hasn't been acknowledged nearly enough
Lamar had ZERO games with 2 turnovers this entire season then 20 minutes into the Divisional round, he's already broken that... yeah everyone will talk about Andrews because that's the last thing everyone saw, but they were playing catch up ALL GAME LONG because AGAIN, Lamar Jackson saved his _worst stuff of the season_ for a playoff game, which has literally been the *entire problem* with Lamar's entire career to this point
You make yourself sound like an idiot. Context genius. How many times all season, in the snow, in freezing weather, did he have a bad snap, that he picked up and turned around to a defender in his face?
@@davidpetrosky Then he should've fallen on the ball and lived to fight another play. That fumble was a 10 point swing. It was a massive moment in the game and far bigger than a drop on a 2 point conversion. People love to focus on what happens last and ignore what happened before it reached that point. Ravens lost by 2 points. Lamar? Cost his team 12 points. The 10 point swing on godawful fumble and missing a wide open Likely on first two point conversion. You cannot sugarcoat that.
@@davidpetrosky Harbaugh had his team practicing inside for this game. You can not do that when you’re playing a game in Buffalo this late in the year.
well it's a 32 minute video so you aren't even 1/3 of the way through it.... maybe just actually watch it instead of loading up pre-emptive complaints? 🤷♂ if you want rapid slap dash takes one after another this probably ain't the channel for you lol
@@Begs2Differ lmao. Thought they didn't matter, when a guy led the league. He was still supposed to get MVP due to more tds. Now they should be looked at as crucial.
@@robmullen6869 I thought the 2024 MVP was supposed to be about their play in 2024? Allen did not play well all around. Turnovers matter. And he had more turnovers in 2024, too, than the other MVP candidates. It was Brock Purdy who had the best production but had it discounted because of the star power on his offense.
The next time Josh, Patrick or Joe lose a playoff game let’s all tie ourselves in knots and blame the tight end for the loss because apparently that’s how we view elite qbs
“We have a very difficult discussion with Lamar Jackson”. Statistics is where the truth lies some say…here we go. I thought PFF was above this. Data driven. So disappointing. Spouting “shouts show” narratives. Damn.
@@kpwillsonIf Lamar had ever lost a playoff game where he played half as good as Josh was in that divisional loss to kc he would be credited just the same, it’s just never happened
Blah Blah Blah...Buffalo outplayed Baltimore. period. Josh Allen adhered to the game plan like a great player does and also rushed for 2 TDs. Sounds like somebody lost some money
@BlaineGamble That was NOT an atrocious call. Baltimore was getting away from holding a few times earlier in the game, and the refs called it that time. In fact, the refs missed a blatant holding call on Baltimore (I believe) on the very same play Lamar fumbled. Had he not fumbled, that would've been a horrible no call, but it worked out for the Bills despite the miss.
@@BlaineGamble what about the hold that stalled the bills in the ravens territory after Lamar threw his 1st int. You can’t win playoff games turning the ball over 3x and going 1-5 in the redzone
Alot of people are going to have this narrative that IF something changed or IF you take away this... The fact is that the game unfolded the way that it did. Those turnovers were a big deal in the outcome of this game. Too many people are putting too much on Andrews for that drop on the two point conversion. Buffalo still had two timeouts with over a minute and a half remaining. We don't know what would have happened.
The dude on the right literally kept saying stuff like “if these plays didn’t happen the bills wouldn’t have won” it boggles my mind lol… those plays did happen and that’s why the bills won.
Andrew’s drop saved us time. Allen would have gotten the bills into field goal range after the two point conversion and then you guys would be saying allen out played him. Also why are guys saying stuff like “if this play didn’t happen the bills wouldn’t win”. It’s crazy man. I’ve never heard so many “ifs” in my life
Josh Allen wasnt playing Lamar. he was playing to win the game. and to win this game it wasnt by out producing Lamar in stats, it was disciplined football and not making mistakes and thats what he did because thats what the team needed. to win
Bills NEVER played from behind in the entire game you fools! That drastically changes how you play, how much you push etc. Allen would have pushed more and produced more if needed! He also has 1:33 and two timeouts IF the Ravens got the 2 point conversion. Ravens got fckn SMACKED!
How did Lamar play better WHEN HE HAD TWO TURNOVERS… YALL LAMBASTED ALLEN YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT FOR HAVING TURNOVERS IN THE REGULAR SEASON BUT NEVER BEING UP THE FACT ALLEN RARELY HAS TURNOVERS IN THE PLAYOFFA BUT ABSOLVE LAMAR???? Yall are lame yo
Exactly! Josh was MASSACRED last year for his turnovers, yet the two that Lamar had in this one game aren't that big a deal all of a sudden? The hypocrisy is crazy.
If Allen Played exactly like Jackson did, all you hear is "he's a choker. Too much Super man" blah blah. The bias is crazy. Lamar the most coddled QB ever along with malhomes
@@BlaineGambleand coughed up a fumble trying to make a move on Damar Hamlin 😂 bro wasn’t good. Josh did what he had to do which is run the offense, make a play or 2 to score, and protect the ball. Ravens played 2 or 3 high on 50% of plays. Josh stayed patient and didn’t force the ball downfield, which is something he would’ve done in the past. 2 TDs + 2 TOs is not outplaying 2 TDs + no TOs. Guess what the number one predictive stat for wins and losses (other than point differential) is? Turnovers.
I can tell they really like Lamar a lot. It's not that complicated. He had two turnovers that lead directly to ten points. They lost by two points. Math says he didn't play well enough. Due to the turnovers, Josh's cape wasn't needed.
yeah and i always thought one guy throwing an arm punt then laying another ball on the turf for the defense to easily scoop up and run the other way with while the other guy makes zero mistakes were the kinds of things that counted towards playing well? maybe i'm just old fashioned
If Andrew’s caught that ball at the end allen would have 1:33 with timeouts left. Allen would have gotten the bills into field goal range and won the game. It boggles my mind how the media consistently gives Lamar excuses when they lose
If Allen was the one who lost the game with 2 turnovers compared to the other QB having zero they’d be losing their minds calling Allen a turnover machine
whenever u tryna come up with sum bs analogy u know u ain’t saying shi😂 Lamar flatout outplayed him even with the turnovers lmao but its irrelevant tbh it takes a team to win we saw that
Even if Andrew had caught that the game wasn’t going into OT. Bills had a minute and a half to get a field goal at the very least. Stop the nonsense. The excuses they make for Lamar (who I like. Great QB and seems like such a GOOD dude) while expecting superhero antics from Josh and when they don’t get it constant criticism. When he does do it still constant criticism. Just be honest and say nothing the Bills do will ever meet your expectations. The turnovers were irrelevant?? My mistake I thought this was a serious sports talk.
“ALLEN IS A TURNOVER MACHINE”!!! All we’ve heard for years, out of context! No they tie themselves in knots trying to defend and justify LAMAR THE CHOKER 😂😂😂😂
So 18/25 2tds and 2 turnovers in a loss is "playing well"? You know what else would change the narative about lamar?? Not having 2 turnovers. If you have 0 turnovers and lose on a drop thats a different story. Sad excuses.
It's only a problem now because everyone likes Lamar Jackson, I like him too. But these are the same rules, the rules of how the narrative works, that are applied to every other QB. Hell Aaron Rodgers has had his greatness card revoked for how he played on the down slope of his career by a ton of people that never even watched him in his prime, that have gone back to invalidate his Super Bowl win because it was "only one SB win." So yes it falls only on Lamar and a year from now no one will remember or care about who dropped a pass. When you judge a QB that's not one you like you don't put in any context either. It is what it is.
Guys, this years Ravens team was not unstoppable in the regular season either. They lost 5 games and had to play on the road for a reason. But Allen wasn’t the mvp and didn’t outplay Lamar in the playoffs. What a world
Bald head bro is cooked. Lamar played BAD. Two turnovers. He needed mark Andrews help to pull him out the hole they both had dug. A bunch of fun backyard style passes doesnt outweigh his terrible turnovers in the first half. Ball is the program, he literally slammed it on the ground trying to shake a backup safety . And way to give zero credit to Buffalo. Yall are real class.
Thanks everyone in the comments with the assist… just clicked on the video but I’ll cut my losses and skip it based on the things I’m reading here that they say in this vid 😂 yikes
Seeing a nuanced discussion of QB play is rare. The "game manager" QB role is often used as a derisive term, but there are circumstances within games and seasons when that's precisely what's needed.
I mean you *could* point the finger at Andrews, but the play of the game was Bernard punching that ball out. What a play. If Andrews had caught that 2-pt conversion, the Bills would have had plenty of time to move the ball 40+ yards to kick a field goal ftw - not something I reckon Ravens fans would have been comfortable with, and for good reason. But for me, it was Bernard making a play, not Andrews choking. I hate to say it, but he's been a stalwart for them for years. Lamar actually had a great game, but his fumble turned into points and while his interception didn't, it still removed clock and sooner opportunity for them to score. But Lamar didn't lose this game for them, as plenty of pundits have pointed out that they "were still 2 points away while giving the ball away 3 times". The Bills defense made plays while the Bills offense played fundamental football and won in the trenches; that won the game.
Allen clearly out played Lamar. They were up 21 -10 and he executed the plan to beat the Ravens perfectly. The Bills were in control of the game the whole time and played a very boring but effective style to win. You can argue style points but were on to KC.
I’ve never seen an analytical based POD try harder to avoid acknowledging what the analytics say to justify their bias. Constantly building up pretend scenarios of if Lamar’s teammates played better then no one would be coming at Lamar and if we take those two plays away look at how good he played! What lol? Thats not how reality works. Lamar had two bad turnovers that put them in a spot where Bills could score 6 points in the second half and win. Josh had zero turnovers. I don’t think anyone would argue Ravens had the better roster. If Josh turns it over once Bills likely lose. That is finding a way to win, and I can only imagine what these guys would be saying if the roles were reversed and Josh fumbled trying to do to much and threw a perfect ball to the other team. All the sudden it would be a conversation about thin the margins are this time of year and how the negative EPA on those plays cost them the game. Also no discussion on how Lamar essentially has a 1.3-1 TD to INT ratio in the playoffs with 6 fumbles! compared to Josh’s 5-1? You spend so much time saying how people are going to blame Lamar and how they’ll say he choked again but once again he played his worst game of the season in the playoffs.
The ravens have so much more talent than the Bills, the only way the ravens can lose a game like this is if they turn the ball over. Lamar can’t get credit for being a firefighter after he was the arsonist
Bills been playing in ball control mode for weeks. Lots still left in the tank that so far hasn’t been needed. If Andrew’s makes the catch Allen marches the Bills down to run the clock out with a field goal. This game was never in doubt
These losers have picked against Buffalo all year and now they’re sickened that little low iq Lamar can’t rise to the challenge every year in the playoffs. Can’t let go of their egos and admit Buffalo played smart clean football game 1 penalty, 1 play lost yards. No turnovers and forced 3
lamar is low iq? u gota be racist to say something like that. refs helped bills with a free TD and not calling personal foul on that tackle out of bounds. bills have a great team and great qb why be so insecure. i assume your racist and think black people have inferior brains, how else do u say lamar is low iq
The real question is, would the football talking heads be twisting themselves into pretzels trying to find a way to say that Allen didn’t lose that game if the stats and game result were reversed? I think not, I think rather than spending 20 minutes defending Allen, the “story”, would be “Jackson play’s mistake free football and Allen couldn’t overcome his own mistakes”. The actual story of this game is coaching, the Bills defensively called a game that threw Jackson off his game alternating pressure in the front with good coverage in the back that caused Jackson to turn the ball over three times, offensively they kept them off balance by not taking shots when the Ravens expected them to. Also for years the talking heads of the NFL said “get a run game Buffalo, stop making Allen play hero ball, so they did and they used it effectively to win a playoff game that they easily would have the last several years.
Mind boggling how turnovers apparently only matter when it’s Josh Allen who commits them 😂😂 the Bills channeled the 2004 Pistons in this W, they viewed Henry as Shaq and focused on shutting him down and left Lamar/Kobe and had him have to beat them by himself. Lamar couldn’t do it, the Ravens lost every game when Henry didn’t run for 85+. Congrats on the stats though, MV3!
Lamar played bad, one good drive at the end of the game doesnt change that he put his team is a hole with 2 terrible turnovers. Even in that 2nd half it was RBs that got the Ravens back into the game, all Lamar did was hit a few wide open guys due to the Bills selling out to stop the run.
Every time I watch the ravens Lamar’s throwing to completely uncovered guys and I’m a little disappointed. Based on all the talk I hear about him I’m expecting him to be throwing guys open with crazy dimes like prime Rodgers. But then I turn on the their game and he’s throwing passing to guys wide open lol
Again, everyone is completely missing what happened on the 1st, 2-point-conversion. Bills sold out expecting Henry. Likely was separating and then wide open by the time Lamar made the throw. That throw has to be made. You cannot overlook how important that missed chance was. Yes, Andrews deserves blame but Lamar cost his team at least 12 points. Fumble occurred in FG range and was at least a 10 point swing. The poor throw that got batted down on conversion adds another 2 points. Ravens lost by 2, Lamar cost his team 12 points. So, blaming this overwhelmingly on Andrews? Is ignoring the critical errors Lamar made. I contrast Lamar with Jayden Daniels first 2 playoff games, no big mistakes, made key plays when it matters. Daniels is a rookie, Lamar is a veteran player. 2 turnovers and a bad throw with a chance to tie the game...this isn't new in these games for Lamar. It is frankly standard.
The bias is ludicrous. If Josh had two AWFUL turnovers that were his fault, he wouldn’t have the grace and apologists from commentators Lamar gets. He’d be getting killed for putting his team down. You guys are telling on yourselves. THEY WERE DOWN BECAUSE OF LAMAR
Bills were too conservative in the second half, bad holding call against them, Allen missed a few throws. Oh wait, the Bills won! Wow, the better team lost! Lol!
14:02 MVP, 6 All Pros, 2 turnovers but not his fault. This high level gaslighting from all you talking heads from espn to fs1 to here apologizing for Lamar is a joke 😂 yall really worship this man he can do no wrong
1 QB had 2 TDs and no TOs. The other had 1 TD and 2 TOs. 1 was the only all pro on their team and the other was an all pro with 8 others also on their team. All four quarters matter in a game, especially when losing that game ends your season. Stop turning it over multiple times in the most important game of your season every year. Hope this helps.
Perennial CHOKE ARTIST Lamar, the fake MVP, has a team full of All pros and 9 Pro Bowlers and STILL CHOKED AND FAILED! He didn’t play better, he threw a terrible INT and had a horrible fumble! Just imagine the narrative if Allen had those!!!! 😂😂😂
The thing about Lamar is the gameplan to win is take the ball out of his hands and lower his attempts. Then it's like "just don't mess it up" it's effective obviously but he seems to get tight in the playoffs and idk it's just the truth. There’s no way around it. Every year he loses it’s like ahhh should’ve given him the ball less. Should’ve ran it more.
That was the gameplan buffalo had tho. Buffalo is amazing against the pass and decent against the run. Baltimore has a 1000 yard rusher and a 2000 yard rusher. Just do to everyone what you did to Pittsburgh. Especially with WR1 out.
100% agree with you. I find it mortifying, every time the ravens win it’s because Lamar’s mv3 and every time they lose it’s ’well how could you expect them to win when Lamar throws the ball’
Lamar DID get outplayed by Josh Allen, because Josh didn't turn the ball over. That is what being outplayed means, one guy played better than the other guy. The Bills bet on Lamar not being able to beat the Bills by himself by taking Henry away, and they were right.
Coach Harbaugh or whoever decided to not run Derrick Henry should be fired immediately. In the second half at some point they decided to run him five successive times. It resulted in 5 big gains and ended in a touchdown and they unfortunately tried a pass for the two point conversion. Going away from Henry seemed like either bad coaching or sabotage because that was the formula to win. Run Henry until the wheels fall off. Nobody would want to tackle that Mack truck in the cold and it showed when they did run him.
It’s so funny how after every playoff loss the narrative for the Ravens is always ‘they let the MVP have the ball too much’. And y’know what, you’re usually right, but then, maybe stop calling him the MVP or best QB alive if every time they lose it’s because they trusted him too much.
Lamar’s new name is Regular. You can count on the guy to show up in a Regular season game but he goes missing in the playoffs. Baltimore had 3 turnovers and Regular had 2 of them. Anyone saying Regular out played Allen should not be talking about this game.
It is a football truth that turnovers are a significant determinate of game outcomes. But a turnover is only half of the equation. What does the opposition do with that opportunity? The Bills capitalized and won the game. Everything else is superfluous. Bills did what they had to do, the Ravens did not. It may not have been pretty, but football is not art.
Let's give credit to the Buffalo Bills. They had a great game plan and they earned it. The Ravens choked as a team dropping past is fumbling. It's not all on Jackson and it's not all on Andrews
Everyone said the bills defense couldn’t stop a runny nose. The defense absolutely shut down Derek Henry. And Josh Allen played a clean game which wasn’t the same for the Ravens.
Turnovers are so detrimental to a team especially if they lead to a score. Football is a 60 minute game. You can't diminish that error with positive offensive production. You MUST have positive offensive production to win if you have turnovers. The MVP thing is if you have to say, they should have put the ball in Henry's hands more than Lamar, then Lamar shouldn't be the MVP. If you have an MVP you would want to have the ball in their hands every play
It is difficult to not feel some kind of compassion for the Ravens and their fans for their bad luck. However, the Bills have had more than their share of tragically bad luck over the years. In addition, the Ravens fans have two Super Bowl wins from a team that did not exist 25 years ago. The long suffering Bills fans have no more compassion to spare.
Damn, now I know if my QB throws a pick and fumbles the ball away as long as I lead a TD drive against prevent defense and am not responsible for the final mistake it’s all gravy. Good to note. 📝
These guys are missing the point that Lamar wouldn't have had his "game winning drive" if Lamar hadnt coughed the ball up twice. Each drive doesnt exist in a vacuum, they are all relative to each other
We lost, It sucks but the sun came up this morning. The one play I can’t shake that barely is getting brought up is the DPI on White that I think Romo, Nantz and Steratore all agreed was a phantom call. That was a 4 point swing. It was 3rd and 6 Buffalo has to settle for a FG. But it is what it is. Good Luck Buffalo you guys deserve a Lombardi after all the years of suffering
The Bills coaches came out with a plan after hearing all of the bs this past week, and it was effective. The Ravens are a stronger team, but the coaches plan, and JA and his guys, were effective. Can't wait to see the game plan for next week. Go Bills!
Reading these comments, what I realized is that Ravens and Bills fans are mirror images of one another. They're both insufferably insecure about their team and especially their QB. Meanwhile the real enemy, the Chiefs, spring back just laughing and chilling lol
Are you guys Lamar-apologists or what???? Saying Lamar played well and making excuses for him as if his 2 turnovers weren't a factor in the loss is HILARIOUS....the Bills won because they did NOT turn the ball over and in a game where they allowed virtually the same yardage/statistics in comparison to the regular season game, it matters. The Bills won this more than Baltimore lost it....even if Andrews catches the 2 pt conversion, there's still over 1:30 on the clock with 2 T.O.s for Allen to set up a winning FG attempt. Lamar did NOT play "well".....get over it, he played "good" enough to win. That's it....stop apologize that Lamar folds in the playoffs. It IS fact....in 4 of his losses, he HAS multiple turnovers in each of those losses. FACT
I like Lamar. He’s incredibly good and fun to watch. I’m a Bills fan so I’m biased and of course I think Josh should be the MVP, but I get the argument for Lamar and I won’t be upset when he does win it. But he gets so much benefit of the doubt that Josh Allen never gets. He played well against a paper tiger in the Steelers and then turned the ball over twice, leading to them getting behind and not being able to run the game script they’re so good at running which ultimately cost them the game. And this show is saying he’ll likely be the highest graded QB in the playoffs? And his turnovers just get dismissed even though they are a huge part of why the Ravens lost this game? If it were Josh Allen, he’d be getting roasted for being a turnover machine, even with leading the team that broke the record for most games without a turnover (season and playoffs combined) this year.
Sports talk shows have become an absolute joke. We have spent the last three days talking about the loser of the game after spending the last week talking about how they were going to destroy Buffalo and that buffalo couldn't handle, their two headed monster. Give the bills the damn credit they earned.And the fucking attention they deserve.
Watching the game I started to think Allen was having a bad game but now I don’t think that’s the case. How Allen played was the game plan, they didn’t want to make it a shootout type day. I think the ravens are better than KC so I can’t see why the Bills don’t have a solid chance against KC next week, even being an away game.
He didn’t get outplayed by Josh but had 2 turnover to Josh’s 0? So what, turnovers only count against your performance when Josh Allen makes them? He played a smart, mature game and did what he had to do to win which was protect the ball and score a couple times.
Everyone surprised about Ravens receivers being wide open. They’ve been wide open all year! How you think Lamar got those insane stats. Henry opens everything up.
We're just setting up next years narrative. Lamar has an MVP regular season, everyone believes its his year, chokes in the playoffs. And yes he is choking. An MVP level QB CAN NOT HAVE TWO TURNOVERS AT ANY TIME IN THE POSTSEASON AND EXPECT TO WIN AGAINST ANOTHER MVP LEVEL QB. He deserves the Dak treatment at this point, no excuses.
Andrew's has to have the yips. He's been dropping easy passes all year even against the Steelers, his TD was mishandled but he was able to still catch it
Good play + turnovers = L Alllen had fewer turnovers this year. Why is anyone surprised about this game? Allen outplayed Lamar all year by not blowing games, and should be MVP.
It’s ludicrous that you two keep saying “Jackson outplayed Allen.” Newsflash! A massive part of a QB’s job is ball security. It’s what the football press has been unfairly dinging Allen for for years. I really like Jackson, he was the not the best QB yesterday.
Refs cost Bills a chance to score and I like Josh Allen with 1:33 and 2 time outs. Stats don't mean anything.Bills were conservative in the entire second half with the lead. Can't turn ball over in playoffs. Bills knew this Ravens didn't. Bills win!
These takes are laughable. "Lamars legacy is tainted because Andrews had a drop"? What the hell is that? If Lamar doesn't fumble, they likely get at least a FG and the Ravens aren't in a position where they need to go for 2. You could say Lamar's mistakes tainted Andrews' legacy, cuz Andrews made a bunch of good plays too. But got forbid we hold Lamar to task. If you remove 1 of his turnovers, the Ravens win. You can easily and very correctly lay this loss on Lamar
Ravens should've won this. Bills offense punted 3 times, twice in the 2nd half. Bills offense had 0 TDs in the 2nd half and only had 6 points in the 2nd half. 2 point game going into the 4Q. Bad 1st half and digging themselves in a hole cost them the win.
The other issue is the coaching decisions to go for 2 points. I feel teams go for 2 point conversions too quickly when there is a lot of time left in the game.
Lamar choked Sam. Again. Buffalo sat on the lead because Lamar dug his team a hole. Andrews is a convenient scapegoat. If he caught the conversion and the bills kicked a game winning fg in regulation, what’s the conversation about? Lamar’s costly turnovers.
the refs gave the bills a free TD before halftime with an horrible pass interference call on 3rd down. that changed that game as much as any of lamars turnovers. and lamar was still going to win!
You recap a game and you never once mentioned how one team win the game? You spent the entire show making excuses for LaMar. He lost but he should’ve could’ve won IF … This is one piss poor analysis-worse than a shouty show.
The comments here are so much smarter than these guys. Bills have the best turnover ratio in the NFL and it isnt close. This game was chalk for the Bills.
Ravens lost 10 points to turnovers. Then they want to give Lamar credit for almost coming back? That's like giving some one credit for putting out a fire they started.
They only scored on the fumble, and that’s okay ravens can Survive 2 TO they’re that great of a team. But Andrews fumble that was a killer. Ravens run Derek Henry there and go up by 4.
Josh Allen didn’t outplay, if you don’t count turnovers….
guys, turnovers count
lamar played great. he outplayed josh allen in buffalo in the snow. the refs gave the ravens a free td before halftime with bad pass interference call. the bills D was playing lights out and Lamar still was a savant in bad weather. he had on bad throw. the fumble was a bad snap. the 90 yards drive to tie the game with 2 min left was crazy. he 100% outplayed josh allen in this game.
@@BlaineGamble Lmfao cope
Exactly!
What I'm kinda annoyed about the current media coverage of this game is that it's sounds like the turnovers just..happened without any real causation behind them which just isn't true. The Bills defense played their hearts out and GOT those turnovers to happen. I agree that the Bills offense and Josh Allen didn't play super great, but their defense stepped up and made crucial plays and caused turnovers to try and win the game, and win the game they did. This game kinda shuts up the narrative that winning is a QB stat because our QB didn't have the greatest game but the Bills still won because of defensive playmakers. More needs to be said about how a Milano blitz caused an interception, how the D-line caused a sack-fumble, and how Terrel Bernard had the best peanut punch fumble and recovery of his career, all in the same game. This win was a Buffalo team effort and that hasn't been acknowledged nearly enough
Lamar had ZERO games with 2 turnovers this entire season
then 20 minutes into the Divisional round, he's already broken that... yeah everyone will talk about Andrews because that's the last thing everyone saw, but they were playing catch up ALL GAME LONG because AGAIN, Lamar Jackson saved his _worst stuff of the season_ for a playoff game, which has literally been the *entire problem* with Lamar's entire career to this point
You make yourself sound like an idiot. Context genius. How many times all season, in the snow, in freezing weather, did he have a bad snap, that he picked up and turned around to a defender in his face?
@@davidpetrosky Then he should've fallen on the ball and lived to fight another play. That fumble was a 10 point swing. It was a massive moment in the game and far bigger than a drop on a 2 point conversion. People love to focus on what happens last and ignore what happened before it reached that point.
Ravens lost by 2 points. Lamar? Cost his team 12 points. The 10 point swing on godawful fumble and missing a wide open Likely on first two point conversion.
You cannot sugarcoat that.
@@davidpetroskyit doesn’t snow in Cancun
@@davidpetrosky Harbaugh had his team practicing inside for this game. You can not do that when you’re playing a game in Buffalo this late in the year.
The field was frozen get your players hurt that way ...yea let's practice on a field where your players can get hurt@@easternparkwayventuresinc.7934
10 minutes in and I’m curious if they will talk about the winning team…
well it's a 32 minute video so you aren't even 1/3 of the way through it.... maybe just actually watch it instead of loading up pre-emptive complaints? 🤷♂ if you want rapid slap dash takes one after another this probably ain't the channel for you lol
Everyone's talking about the ravens
@@mattcarberry368all the way through, they might have mentioned 3 good things the Bills did and every time the discussion went back to Lamar.
It's good to know I won't watch it now
Bad news sells
Paraphrased: Josh didn’t outplay Lamar unless you count the second most important quarterback stat (turnovers).
A bold take.
@@Begs2Differ lmao. Thought they didn't matter, when a guy led the league. He was still supposed to get MVP due to more tds. Now they should be looked at as crucial.
@@davidpetroskyHe didn’t get the mvp though did he? So that’s a straw man argument.
Josh did not need to outplay Lamar this time because Bills defense showed up.
Exactly....and btw, Allen had better stats than Lamar in the 2023 MVP race yet had 22 turnovers. Turnovers matter.
@@robmullen6869 I thought the 2024 MVP was supposed to be about their play in 2024? Allen did not play well all around. Turnovers matter. And he had more turnovers in 2024, too, than the other MVP candidates. It was Brock Purdy who had the best production but had it discounted because of the star power on his offense.
The next time Josh, Patrick or Joe lose a playoff game let’s all tie ourselves in knots and blame the tight end for the loss because apparently that’s how we view elite qbs
“We have a very difficult discussion with Lamar Jackson”. Statistics is where the truth lies some say…here we go.
I thought PFF was above this. Data driven. So disappointing.
Spouting “shouts show” narratives. Damn.
Meanwhile josh scores 5 tds in a playoff loss and he cant win the big one
@@kpwillsonIf Lamar had ever lost a playoff game where he played half as good as Josh was in that divisional loss to kc he would be credited just the same, it’s just never happened
@@dominicdecoco7950 I don't think josh even gets enough credit though
Blah Blah Blah...Buffalo outplayed Baltimore. period. Josh Allen adhered to the game plan like a great player does and also rushed for 2 TDs. Sounds like somebody lost some money
Buffalo outplayed Baltimore & Josh outplayed Lamar, simple.
refs gave the bills a free td before half time that call was atrocious
@BlaineGamble That was NOT an atrocious call. Baltimore was getting away from holding a few times earlier in the game, and the refs called it that time. In fact, the refs missed a blatant holding call on Baltimore (I believe) on the very same play Lamar fumbled. Had he not fumbled, that would've been a horrible no call, but it worked out for the Bills despite the miss.
@@BlaineGamble what about the hold that stalled the bills in the ravens territory after Lamar threw his 1st int. You can’t win playoff games turning the ball over 3x and going 1-5 in the redzone
@@BlaineGamblePLEASE. They called a phantom holding penalty on Buffalo that completely killed that drive.
Alot of people are going to have this narrative that IF something changed or IF you take away this... The fact is that the game unfolded the way that it did. Those turnovers were a big deal in the outcome of this game. Too many people are putting too much on Andrews for that drop on the two point conversion. Buffalo still had two timeouts with over a minute and a half remaining. We don't know what would have happened.
Yep and Lamar made a piss poor throw on first 2 point conversion. If you watch that play, Likely is wide open.
The dude on the right literally kept saying stuff like “if these plays didn’t happen the bills wouldn’t have won” it boggles my mind lol… those plays did happen and that’s why the bills won.
But that's the theme with these two particularly the Monson chap. THe Master of Analysis. MiT level. IF THIS AND IF THAT.
Andrew’s drop saved us time. Allen would have gotten the bills into field goal range after the two point conversion and then you guys would be saying allen out played him. Also why are guys saying stuff like “if this play didn’t happen the bills wouldn’t win”. It’s crazy man. I’ve never heard so many “ifs” in my life
Josh Allen wasnt playing Lamar. he was playing to win the game. and to win this game it wasnt by out producing Lamar in stats, it was disciplined football and not making mistakes and thats what he did because thats what the team needed. to win
Man you guys really don’t care for the bills
These guys NEVER give the Bills credit. It's always about what the loser did wrong, not what the Bills did right ...🙄
Bills didn't win this game ravens lost it.
Bills NEVER played from behind in the entire game you fools! That drastically changes how you play, how much you push etc. Allen would have pushed more and produced more if needed! He also has 1:33 and two timeouts IF the Ravens got the 2 point conversion. Ravens got fckn SMACKED!
How did Lamar play better WHEN HE HAD TWO TURNOVERS… YALL LAMBASTED ALLEN YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT FOR HAVING TURNOVERS IN THE REGULAR SEASON BUT NEVER BEING UP THE FACT ALLEN RARELY HAS TURNOVERS IN THE PLAYOFFA BUT ABSOLVE LAMAR???? Yall are lame yo
Exactly! Josh was MASSACRED last year for his turnovers, yet the two that Lamar had in this one game aren't that big a deal all of a sudden? The hypocrisy is crazy.
If Allen Played exactly like Jackson did, all you hear is "he's a choker. Too much Super man" blah blah. The bias is crazy. Lamar the most coddled QB ever along with malhomes
Lamar’s horrific first half is why Buffalo only needed 6 points in the second half. Don’t dig a hole and you don’t need your tight end.
But but but Sam voted for Lamar’s mvp! How could he be wrong!? And what if “that” Josh comes back out again!?
Bros so committed to Lamar mvp they just spend half an hour talking about it instead of the game.
Lamar is easily the most coddled player in NFL history. It's truly incredible.
Josh DID outplay Lamar. He played winning football. Not reckless bs like Lamar that costed him the game. Gtfoh
heck no josh didnt outplay lamar. r u kidding. lamar threw one bad pick he wasnt wreck-less.
@@BlaineGamble 2 turnovers to none is outplayed
@@BlaineGamble switching the ball in your hand while taking a sack in the cold is a rookie stuff
@@BlaineGambleand coughed up a fumble trying to make a move on Damar Hamlin 😂 bro wasn’t good. Josh did what he had to do which is run the offense, make a play or 2 to score, and protect the ball. Ravens played 2 or 3 high on 50% of plays. Josh stayed patient and didn’t force the ball downfield, which is something he would’ve done in the past. 2 TDs + 2 TOs is not outplaying 2 TDs + no TOs. Guess what the number one predictive stat for wins and losses (other than point differential) is? Turnovers.
I can tell they really like Lamar a lot. It's not that complicated. He had two turnovers that lead directly to ten points. They lost by two points. Math says he didn't play well enough. Due to the turnovers, Josh's cape wasn't needed.
Give me a break. “Lamar outplayed Josh” ….. Having more pieces on the chess board when you lose, doesn’t mean you outplayed your opponent.
yeah and i always thought one guy throwing an arm punt then laying another ball on the turf for the defense to easily scoop up and run the other way with while the other guy makes zero mistakes were the kinds of things that counted towards playing well?
maybe i'm just old fashioned
If Andrew’s caught that ball at the end allen would have 1:33 with timeouts left. Allen would have gotten the bills into field goal range and won the game. It boggles my mind how the media consistently gives Lamar excuses when they lose
If Allen was the one who lost the game with 2 turnovers compared to the other QB having zero they’d be losing their minds calling Allen a turnover machine
Playoff Jackson.
whenever u tryna come up with sum bs analogy u know u ain’t saying shi😂 Lamar flatout outplayed him even with the turnovers lmao but its irrelevant tbh it takes a team to win we saw that
Even if Andrew had caught that the game wasn’t going into OT. Bills had a minute and a half to get a field goal at the very least. Stop the nonsense.
The excuses they make for Lamar (who I like. Great QB and seems like such a GOOD dude) while expecting superhero antics from Josh and when they don’t get it constant criticism. When he does do it still constant criticism. Just be honest and say nothing the Bills do will ever meet your expectations.
The turnovers were irrelevant?? My mistake I thought this was a serious sports talk.
Exactly this. This is a shouty show without shouting… their narrative is still the most important thing.
Big facts, you cant have it both ways
And you wonder why your views are down.
White guilt is real
You guys both crunched the numbers, studied film, recorded the podcast, and chose Baltimore. 🤔
“ALLEN IS A TURNOVER MACHINE”!!! All we’ve heard for years, out of context! No they tie themselves in knots trying to defend and justify LAMAR THE CHOKER 😂😂😂😂
So 18/25 2tds and 2 turnovers in a loss is "playing well"?
You know what else would change the narative about lamar?? Not having 2 turnovers. If you have 0 turnovers and lose on a drop thats a different story. Sad excuses.
Listening comprehension is difficult, I know. But Sam said he played well AFTER those two turnovers, which is true
It's only a problem now because everyone likes Lamar Jackson, I like him too. But these are the same rules, the rules of how the narrative works, that are applied to every other QB. Hell Aaron Rodgers has had his greatness card revoked for how he played on the down slope of his career by a ton of people that never even watched him in his prime, that have gone back to invalidate his Super Bowl win because it was "only one SB win."
So yes it falls only on Lamar and a year from now no one will remember or care about who dropped a pass. When you judge a QB that's not one you like you don't put in any context either. It is what it is.
Guys, this years Ravens team was not unstoppable in the regular season either. They lost 5 games and had to play on the road for a reason.
But Allen wasn’t the mvp and didn’t outplay Lamar in the playoffs.
What a world
Bald head bro is cooked. Lamar played BAD. Two turnovers. He needed mark Andrews help to pull him out the hole they both had dug. A bunch of fun backyard style passes doesnt outweigh his terrible turnovers in the first half. Ball is the program, he literally slammed it on the ground trying to shake a backup safety . And way to give zero credit to Buffalo. Yall are real class.
Thanks everyone in the comments with the assist… just clicked on the video but I’ll cut my losses and skip it based on the things I’m reading here that they say in this vid 😂 yikes
Seeing a nuanced discussion of QB play is rare. The "game manager" QB role is often used as a derisive term, but there are circumstances within games and seasons when that's precisely what's needed.
I mean you *could* point the finger at Andrews, but the play of the game was Bernard punching that ball out. What a play. If Andrews had caught that 2-pt conversion, the Bills would have had plenty of time to move the ball 40+ yards to kick a field goal ftw - not something I reckon Ravens fans would have been comfortable with, and for good reason. But for me, it was Bernard making a play, not Andrews choking. I hate to say it, but he's been a stalwart for them for years. Lamar actually had a great game, but his fumble turned into points and while his interception didn't, it still removed clock and sooner opportunity for them to score. But Lamar didn't lose this game for them, as plenty of pundits have pointed out that they "were still 2 points away while giving the ball away 3 times". The Bills defense made plays while the Bills offense played fundamental football and won in the trenches; that won the game.
Andrew’s running East and west in that situation is why the ball was punched out. An uncharacteristic mistake andrews never makes.
@@aaronklestinec9045 agreed
Allen clearly out played Lamar. They were up 21 -10 and he executed the plan to beat the Ravens perfectly. The Bills were in control of the game the whole time and played a very boring but effective style to win. You can argue style points but were on to KC.
Josh Allen was MVP before and after this game
I’ve never seen an analytical based POD try harder to avoid acknowledging what the analytics say to justify their bias. Constantly building up pretend scenarios of if Lamar’s teammates played better then no one would be coming at Lamar and if we take those two plays away look at how good he played! What lol? Thats not how reality works. Lamar had two bad turnovers that put them in a spot where Bills could score 6 points in the second half and win. Josh had zero turnovers. I don’t think anyone would argue Ravens had the better roster. If Josh turns it over once Bills likely lose. That is finding a way to win, and I can only imagine what these guys would be saying if the roles were reversed and Josh fumbled trying to do to much and threw a perfect ball to the other team. All the sudden it would be a conversation about thin the margins are this time of year and how the negative EPA on those plays cost them the game. Also no discussion on how Lamar essentially has a 1.3-1 TD to INT ratio in the playoffs with 6 fumbles! compared to Josh’s 5-1? You spend so much time saying how people are going to blame Lamar and how they’ll say he choked again but once again he played his worst game of the season in the playoffs.
It’s really sad to watch.
The ravens have so much more talent than the Bills, the only way the ravens can lose a game like this is if they turn the ball over. Lamar can’t get credit for being a firefighter after he was the arsonist
Talent goes as far as discipline and mental focus allows you to go.
Bills been playing in ball control mode for weeks. Lots still left in the tank that so far hasn’t been needed. If Andrew’s makes the catch Allen marches the Bills down to run the clock out with a field goal. This game was never in doubt
@@ddjr64I agree.
These losers have picked against Buffalo all year and now they’re sickened that little low iq Lamar can’t rise to the challenge every year in the playoffs. Can’t let go of their egos and admit Buffalo played smart clean football game 1 penalty, 1 play lost yards. No turnovers and forced 3
lamar is low iq? u gota be racist to say something like that. refs helped bills with a free TD and not calling personal foul on that tackle out of bounds. bills have a great team and great qb why be so insecure. i assume your racist and think black people have inferior brains, how else do u say lamar is low iq
The real question is, would the football talking heads be twisting themselves into pretzels trying to find a way to say that Allen didn’t lose that game if the stats and game result were reversed? I think not, I think rather than spending 20 minutes defending Allen, the “story”, would be “Jackson play’s mistake free football and Allen couldn’t overcome his own mistakes”.
The actual story of this game is coaching, the Bills defensively called a game that threw Jackson off his game alternating pressure in the front with good coverage in the back that caused Jackson to turn the ball over three times, offensively they kept them off balance by not taking shots when the Ravens expected them to.
Also for years the talking heads of the NFL said “get a run game Buffalo, stop making Allen play hero ball, so they did and they used it effectively to win a playoff game that they easily would have the last several years.
Mind boggling how turnovers apparently only matter when it’s Josh Allen who commits them 😂😂 the Bills channeled the 2004 Pistons in this W, they viewed Henry as Shaq and focused on shutting him down and left Lamar/Kobe and had him have to beat them by himself. Lamar couldn’t do it, the Ravens lost every game when Henry didn’t run for 85+. Congrats on the stats though, MV3!
Preach
When did they say it doesnt matter or that allens matter more? Victimhood complex
What idiot says Lamar played better
Josh allen is the mvp and ya can continue to cry and cope and seethe
Lamar played bad, one good drive at the end of the game doesnt change that he put his team is a hole with 2 terrible turnovers. Even in that 2nd half it was RBs that got the Ravens back into the game, all Lamar did was hit a few wide open guys due to the Bills selling out to stop the run.
Every time I watch the ravens Lamar’s throwing to completely uncovered guys and I’m a little disappointed. Based on all the talk I hear about him I’m expecting him to be throwing guys open with crazy dimes like prime Rodgers. But then I turn on the their game and he’s throwing passing to guys wide open lol
COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE 😂😂😂
Making excuses for Lamar. Josh is crucified for same mistakes. You need to be fair. Lamar owns his mistakes. Stop making excuses for him!
Again, everyone is completely missing what happened on the 1st, 2-point-conversion. Bills sold out expecting Henry. Likely was separating and then wide open by the time Lamar made the throw. That throw has to be made. You cannot overlook how important that missed chance was. Yes, Andrews deserves blame but Lamar cost his team at least 12 points.
Fumble occurred in FG range and was at least a 10 point swing. The poor throw that got batted down on conversion adds another 2 points.
Ravens lost by 2, Lamar cost his team 12 points. So, blaming this overwhelmingly on Andrews? Is ignoring the critical errors Lamar made. I contrast Lamar with Jayden Daniels first 2 playoff games, no big mistakes, made key plays when it matters. Daniels is a rookie, Lamar is a veteran player. 2 turnovers and a bad throw with a chance to tie the game...this isn't new in these games for Lamar. It is frankly standard.
Milano tipped the first 2 point conversion. Huge defensive play
Every team that won this weekend was outgained by the losing team....everyteam that won did not turn the ball over........
The bias is ludicrous. If Josh had two AWFUL turnovers that were his fault, he wouldn’t have the grace and apologists from commentators Lamar gets. He’d be getting killed for putting his team down. You guys are telling on yourselves. THEY WERE DOWN BECAUSE OF LAMAR
They are disgraceful. Lamar is a choke artist and they are woke leg humping clowns.
Bills were too conservative in the second half, bad holding call against them, Allen missed a few throws. Oh wait, the Bills won! Wow, the better team lost! Lol!
14:02 MVP, 6 All Pros, 2 turnovers but not his fault. This high level gaslighting from all you talking heads from espn to fs1 to here apologizing for Lamar is a joke 😂 yall really worship this man he can do no wrong
It’s race based. Afraid to criticize him.
1 QB had 2 TDs and no TOs. The other had 1 TD and 2 TOs. 1 was the only all pro on their team and the other was an all pro with 8 others also on their team. All four quarters matter in a game, especially when losing that game ends your season. Stop turning it over multiple times in the most important game of your season every year. Hope this helps.
My mistake - 2 TDs to 2 TOs for the second QB. Still 2:0 compared to 2:2 for TD-TO ratio.
The Bills won. Baltimore lost. You spend 90% of the time defending you MVP vote for Lamar. Josh was the MVP. Sorry.
Exactly GO BILLS
Perennial CHOKE ARTIST Lamar, the fake MVP, has a team full of All pros and 9 Pro Bowlers and STILL CHOKED AND FAILED! He didn’t play better, he threw a terrible INT and had a horrible fumble! Just imagine the narrative if Allen had those!!!! 😂😂😂
Exactly GO BILLS
Qb is partly physical and partly mental…over time each aspect is exposed
The thing about Lamar is the gameplan to win is take the ball out of his hands and lower his attempts. Then it's like "just don't mess it up" it's effective obviously but he seems to get tight in the playoffs and idk it's just the truth. There’s no way around it. Every year he loses it’s like ahhh should’ve given him the ball less. Should’ve ran it more.
The Ravens ran more than they passed. That was not the problem.
they scored immediately when all they did was run in the 3rd quarter
That was the gameplan buffalo had tho. Buffalo is amazing against the pass and decent against the run. Baltimore has a 1000 yard rusher and a 2000 yard rusher. Just do to everyone what you did to Pittsburgh. Especially with WR1 out.
100% agree with you. I find it mortifying, every time the ravens win it’s because Lamar’s mv3 and every time they lose it’s ’well how could you expect them to win when Lamar throws the ball’
Romo was right about the 2 sneaks. He also did a good job calling the game. You guys are reaching.
What is he talking about. Lamar had an interception and a fumble of his own. Gtfoh with that. He lost. He's responsible for the loss.
Exactly GO BILLS
Lamar DID get outplayed by Josh Allen, because Josh didn't turn the ball over. That is what being outplayed means, one guy played better than the other guy. The Bills bet on Lamar not being able to beat the Bills by himself by taking Henry away, and they were right.
Coach Harbaugh or whoever decided to not run Derrick Henry should be fired immediately. In the second half at some point they decided to run him five successive times. It resulted in 5 big gains and ended in a touchdown and they unfortunately tried a pass for the two point conversion. Going away from Henry seemed like either bad coaching or sabotage because that was the formula to win. Run Henry until the wheels fall off. Nobody would want to tackle that Mack truck in the cold and it showed when they did run him.
This is exactly, they always wait too late to start using him
It’s so funny how after every playoff loss the narrative for the Ravens is always ‘they let the MVP have the ball too much’.
And y’know what, you’re usually right, but then, maybe stop calling him the MVP or best QB alive if every time they lose it’s because they trusted him too much.
U guys are the only show that actually watch the game and breakdown facts of the matter. Thank you as a ravens fan lol
Lamar excuses all week
Lamar finally has a good playoff game against a struggling steelers team and then goes right back to who he is in the playoffs. Thats about it
Lamar’s new name is Regular. You can count on the guy to show up in a Regular season game but he goes missing in the playoffs. Baltimore had 3 turnovers and Regular had 2 of them. Anyone saying Regular out played Allen should not be talking about this game.
It is a football truth that turnovers are a significant determinate of game outcomes. But a turnover is only half of the equation. What does the opposition do with that opportunity? The Bills capitalized and won the game. Everything else is superfluous. Bills did what they had to do, the Ravens did not. It may not have been pretty, but football is not art.
No it is not. But this comment is definitely art. 🥹
Let's give credit to the Buffalo Bills. They had a great game plan and they earned it. The Ravens choked as a team dropping past is fumbling. It's not all on Jackson and it's not all on Andrews
I didn’t hate going for the FG on 4th down. But it was absolutely criminal to not do the push on 3rd down, I hope they learned from that.
Everyone said the bills defense couldn’t stop a runny nose. The defense absolutely shut down Derek Henry. And Josh Allen played a clean game which wasn’t the same for the Ravens.
Allen didn’t HAVE to out-stat Lamar. When your opponent is making mistakes, don’t interrupt them.
Go Bills
Turnovers are so detrimental to a team especially if they lead to a score. Football is a 60 minute game. You can't diminish that error with positive offensive production. You MUST have positive offensive production to win if you have turnovers. The MVP thing is if you have to say, they should have put the ball in Henry's hands more than Lamar, then Lamar shouldn't be the MVP. If you have an MVP you would want to have the ball in their hands every play
It is difficult to not feel some kind of compassion for the Ravens and their fans for their bad luck. However, the Bills have had more than their share of tragically bad luck over the years. In addition, the Ravens fans have two Super Bowl wins from a team that did not exist 25 years ago. The long suffering Bills fans have no more compassion to spare.
Never saw the losing team and QB get glazed so much for two turn overs and being outplayed by the better team and QB won.
You’re paying Lamar to not make the game losing plays that he made. Josh didn’t make those mistakes, thus he won the game.
Damn, now I know if my QB throws a pick and fumbles the ball away as long as I lead a TD drive against prevent defense and am not responsible for the final mistake it’s all gravy. Good to note. 📝
These guys are missing the point that Lamar wouldn't have had his "game winning drive" if Lamar hadnt coughed the ball up twice. Each drive doesnt exist in a vacuum, they are all relative to each other
We lost, It sucks but the sun came up this morning. The one play I can’t shake that barely is getting brought up is the DPI on White that I think Romo, Nantz and Steratore all agreed was a phantom call. That was a 4 point swing. It was 3rd and 6 Buffalo has to settle for a FG. But it is what it is. Good Luck Buffalo you guys deserve a Lombardi after all the years of suffering
The Bills coaches came out with a plan after hearing all of the bs this past week, and it was effective. The Ravens are a stronger team, but the coaches plan, and JA and his guys, were effective. Can't wait to see the game plan for next week. Go Bills!
Reading these comments, what I realized is that Ravens and Bills fans are mirror images of one another. They're both insufferably insecure about their team and especially their QB. Meanwhile the real enemy, the Chiefs, spring back just laughing and chilling lol
Are you guys Lamar-apologists or what???? Saying Lamar played well and making excuses for him as if his 2 turnovers weren't a factor in the loss is HILARIOUS....the Bills won because they did NOT turn the ball over and in a game where they allowed virtually the same yardage/statistics in comparison to the regular season game, it matters. The Bills won this more than Baltimore lost it....even if Andrews catches the 2 pt conversion, there's still over 1:30 on the clock with 2 T.O.s for Allen to set up a winning FG attempt. Lamar did NOT play "well".....get over it, he played "good" enough to win. That's it....stop apologize that Lamar folds in the playoffs. It IS fact....in 4 of his losses, he HAS multiple turnovers in each of those losses. FACT
I like Lamar. He’s incredibly good and fun to watch. I’m a Bills fan so I’m biased and of course I think Josh should be the MVP, but I get the argument for Lamar and I won’t be upset when he does win it. But he gets so much benefit of the doubt that Josh Allen never gets. He played well against a paper tiger in the Steelers and then turned the ball over twice, leading to them getting behind and not being able to run the game script they’re so good at running which ultimately cost them the game. And this show is saying he’ll likely be the highest graded QB in the playoffs? And his turnovers just get dismissed even though they are a huge part of why the Ravens lost this game? If it were Josh Allen, he’d be getting roasted for being a turnover machine, even with leading the team that broke the record for most games without a turnover (season and playoffs combined) this year.
Sports talk shows have become an absolute joke. We have spent the last three days talking about the loser of the game after spending the last week talking about how they were going to destroy Buffalo and that buffalo couldn't handle, their two headed monster. Give the bills the damn credit they earned.And the fucking attention they deserve.
Watching the game I started to think Allen was having a bad game but now I don’t think that’s the case. How Allen played was the game plan, they didn’t want to make it a shootout type day. I think the ravens are better than KC so I can’t see why the Bills don’t have a solid chance against KC next week, even being an away game.
He didn’t get outplayed by Josh but had 2 turnover to Josh’s 0? So what, turnovers only count against your performance when Josh Allen makes them? He played a smart, mature game and did what he had to do to win which was protect the ball and score a couple times.
Everyone surprised about Ravens receivers being wide open. They’ve been wide open all year! How you think Lamar got those insane stats. Henry opens everything up.
We're just setting up next years narrative. Lamar has an MVP regular season, everyone believes its his year, chokes in the playoffs. And yes he is choking. An MVP level QB CAN NOT HAVE TWO TURNOVERS AT ANY TIME IN THE POSTSEASON AND EXPECT TO WIN AGAINST ANOTHER MVP LEVEL QB.
He deserves the Dak treatment at this point, no excuses.
Andrew's has to have the yips. He's been dropping easy passes all year even against the Steelers, his TD was mishandled but he was able to still catch it
Good play + turnovers = L
Alllen had fewer turnovers this year. Why is anyone surprised about this game? Allen outplayed Lamar all year by not blowing games, and should be MVP.
It’s ludicrous that you two keep saying “Jackson outplayed Allen.” Newsflash! A massive part of a QB’s job is ball security. It’s what the football press has been unfairly dinging Allen for for years. I really like Jackson, he was the not the best QB yesterday.
Refs cost Bills a chance to score and I like Josh Allen with 1:33 and 2 time outs. Stats don't mean anything.Bills were conservative in the entire second half with the lead. Can't turn ball over in playoffs. Bills knew this Ravens didn't. Bills win!
It's really weird how desperate people have been to defend Lamar. Nobody talks about Allen this way.
These takes are laughable. "Lamars legacy is tainted because Andrews had a drop"? What the hell is that? If Lamar doesn't fumble, they likely get at least a FG and the Ravens aren't in a position where they need to go for 2. You could say Lamar's mistakes tainted Andrews' legacy, cuz Andrews made a bunch of good plays too.
But got forbid we hold Lamar to task. If you remove 1 of his turnovers, the Ravens win. You can easily and very correctly lay this loss on Lamar
Ravens should've won this. Bills offense punted 3 times, twice in the 2nd half. Bills offense had 0 TDs in the 2nd half and only had 6 points in the 2nd half. 2 point game going into the 4Q. Bad 1st half and digging themselves in a hole cost them the win.
Josh did what he needed to do to WIN the game. Lemar just made mistakes and your making the TE the scapegoat
The other issue is the coaching decisions to go for 2 points. I feel teams go for 2 point conversions too quickly when there is a lot of time left in the game.
Lamar choked Sam. Again. Buffalo sat on the lead because Lamar dug his team a hole. Andrews is a convenient scapegoat. If he caught the conversion and the bills kicked a game winning fg in regulation, what’s the conversation about? Lamar’s costly turnovers.
the refs gave the bills a free TD before halftime with an horrible pass interference call on 3rd down. that changed that game as much as any of lamars turnovers. and lamar was still going to win!
The vibe I’m getting is these two lost a lot of money over the weekend on the Ravens
Any ball knower knows that any game comes down to 2-3 plays. You can't say LJ8 played better when he didn't win those key plays
On Lamar in the post season , your record is your record, full stop !
You recap a game and you never once mentioned how one team win the game?
You spent the entire show making excuses for LaMar.
He lost but he should’ve could’ve won IF …
This is one piss poor analysis-worse than a shouty show.
how many rush yards did buffalo have?
The comments here are so much smarter than these guys. Bills have the best turnover ratio in the NFL and it isnt close. This game was chalk for the Bills.