Could A UK Typhoon Squadron Defend Falklands From Argentina's F-16 Air Wing? (WarGames 158) | DCS

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  • @grimreapers
    @grimreapers  10 місяців тому +2

    Re-Match: ua-cam.com/video/UCyS7qWAmVc/v-deo.html
    Version with Argentine JF-17: ua-cam.com/video/J1qMladHJUQ/v-deo.html

  • @nichtpeter9589
    @nichtpeter9589 Рік тому +203

    This is basically the exact scenario the Eurofighter was originally designed for: Get high & fast really quickly and intercept less capable jets while you are outnumbered in Western Germany's tiny airspace during WW3. Nice to see it worked out really well!

    • @soumyajitsingha9614
      @soumyajitsingha9614 Рік тому +7

      Keep dreaming Argentina won't purchase block 10 F 16 with only single MFD outdated analoguish aircraft

    • @jimthefinger7391
      @jimthefinger7391 Рік тому

      I'd love to see WW3 for real ❤

    • @outrider425
      @outrider425 Рік тому +15

      @@soumyajitsingha9614they gonna buy whatever they can get their hands on

    • @mm3mm3
      @mm3mm3 Рік тому +3

      Great smashy, smashy boom boom Cap!

    • @v3es473
      @v3es473 Рік тому

      ​@@soumyajitsingha9614yeah, they gonna buy indian mig-21s that retire because they can't afford anything else.

  • @Jaxymann
    @Jaxymann Рік тому +158

    I’d genuinely be surprised if Argentina could afford even second-hand fighter jets considering its dire economic situation

    • @arieldario3849
      @arieldario3849 Рік тому +14

      @@bobbiebob575 None of that. as argentinian i can asure you this is all politics, and the result of lack of a long term planification that can survive elections every 4 years

    • @andrewhirsch6472
      @andrewhirsch6472 Рік тому +4

      @@arieldario3849 For that reason, would you prefer the return of a caudillo-led military regime?

    • @arieldario3849
      @arieldario3849 Рік тому +15

      ​@@andrewhirsch6472 WTF what? NO. One thing doesn't justifies the other. We need serious politicians OR a constitutional reform that introduce economics welfare state politics by law (this cannot be easily undo), so many sectors can do long term planification without fear the next votations, and also more people aware of this...

    • @ShadowGJ
      @ShadowGJ Рік тому +7

      @@andrewhirsch6472 That's a pretty dumb question. Would the US or Britain be comfortable with military governments of their own, due to poor democratic administrations in recent years?

    • @andrewhirsch6472
      @andrewhirsch6472 Рік тому +4

      @@arieldario3849 : That is good to know. I ask because polling shows that more people in the democratic world find a sort of "benevolent dictatorship" more attractive than 10 years ago.

  • @DavidScobie
    @DavidScobie Рік тому +35

    Ex RAF vet here the 4 birds at Mount Pleasant are simply to get up into the skies launch full spreads of missiles then very quickly as fast as they can get to ground and refuel and reload to do it again.
    But gentlemen the surprise you missed comes from below the waves there's always one in that area and well they aren't only good for Belgranoing Argentine naval vessels they are awesome at sea to shore capabilities too.

    • @BlesamaSoul
      @BlesamaSoul Рік тому +16

      Spot on, I think most people in the Uk would not have a problem with the RN sending ordnance to disable Argentine aircraft/airfields if they ever decided to attack the Falklands again, we let them off lightly last time and should make sure they don't launch a 2nd wave of aircraft if they do it again.

    • @johnscone9382
      @johnscone9382 9 місяців тому +2

      @@BlesamaSoulLet them off lightly? You don’t know what the hell your talking about, if Argentina had held on another week, the Falklands would’ve been lost, the task force was out in the open and was touch and go all the way, were lucky to have a class RN, without it would’ve been a no go.

    • @BlesamaSoul
      @BlesamaSoul 9 місяців тому +5

      @@johnscone9382 but they didn't hold on did they and lost. The UK had options available then, just as now we have even more options available with fewer assets required in the area. There's always one who sees a downside for the Brits and talks us down regardless of how much we punch above our weight

    • @johnscone9382
      @johnscone9382 9 місяців тому

      @@BlesamaSoul What options were they then? Pray tell. The task force we’re losing personnel at an alarming rate at the end, running out of rations, ammunition, the British were on their last legs, another week it would’ve been a bloody disaster.

    • @BlesamaSoul
      @BlesamaSoul 9 місяців тому +5

      @@johnscone9382 but we didn't need another week you're just searching for a negative to justify your hypothetical negatives. We had additional subs and an air bridge if we needed to adapt and overcome on numerous areas, indeed we could have used a civilian air fleet to ferry supplies to Ascension and use the RAF from there. Plenty of options for those with a can do attitude. Today we learnt from 1982 and hence we've got numerous options with naval and air assets to defend the Falklands, I doubt the Argentinan military would be keen to try again

  • @MattWaller04
    @MattWaller04 Рік тому +78

    Eurofighter is a seriously impressive airframe

    • @douglasarthur2673
      @douglasarthur2673 Рік тому +15

      I prefer the Typhoon moniker tho.

    • @ed-ho1rx
      @ed-ho1rx Рік тому +1

      It is QRF defined

    • @Glamrock993
      @Glamrock993 Рік тому +1

      @@ed-ho1rxThat means Quick Response Force?.. Right?

    • @ed-ho1rx
      @ed-ho1rx Рік тому +2

      @@Glamrock993 quick reaction fighter on QRA alerts but sure quick reaction, up and at em

    • @charliezz6746
      @charliezz6746 Рік тому +8

      Yeah the Typhoon is really impressive and muti role it can be used in both ground attack and air to air combat roles.

  • @sandynathan
    @sandynathan Рік тому +121

    Having done a FIRIC tour for 6 months down there at MPA, I can catagorically say that any invasion would first be detected by the radar systems- the current system picks up all aviation traffic from BA, then FIDF(Falkland Islands Defence force) which are pretty decent wouild be activated and honestly the amount of ammunition and weapons available to them would be more than enough to counter any invasion force until 16AA are scrambled from Brize to MPA(an exercise was played out not so long ago-full activation and they were at MPA in 19 hours from colchester to MPA)
    so in summary you've got Eurofighters there, a type 45 frigate there, multiple sam systems there, no doubt a sub would be sent there urgently, no doubt lads from hereford would be down there, youve got the FIRIC company down there(normally an oversized infantry company-100+ soldiers) the FIDF there...and you think argentina would stand a chance

    • @davidmoore1253
      @davidmoore1253 Рік тому +21

      This is just a bit of fun, with no strategic context. Obviously in a war the UK has tonnes more stuff coming.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +27

      Yup I had to use my creative license a bit to create a nice battle.

    • @sandynathan
      @sandynathan Рік тому +1

      @grimreapers I'm not critiquing the video, merely explaining through my own experience that a full-scale invasion of the Falklands circa 1982 nowerdays is highly doubtful...

    • @Triggatra4258
      @Triggatra4258 Рік тому

      ​@@flashgordon6670bro. Stfu. Merica!! MERICA 🇺🇸 will "have a go" and EFF you 🆙️🙃👍🏾💪🏿💪🏿

    • @gavin1506
      @gavin1506 Рік тому +1

      indeed, plus a smaller "gun boat" there as well.

  • @seangfoster1974
    @seangfoster1974 Рік тому +46

    Meteor... such an awesome missile. Thank you to our British brothers and sisters for making some awesome stuff! :)

  • @tetraxis3011
    @tetraxis3011 Рік тому +16

    Note for future Falklands videos: Argentina has currently 8-12 A4AR Skyhawks in service, and these do actually fly unlike the rest of the A4s.

  • @alks111
    @alks111 Рік тому +75

    Please do it with the jf 17 to compare it to the f16, too

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +13

      We did a JF-17 version a while back: ua-cam.com/video/J1qMladHJUQ/v-deo.html

    • @Dark-S.73
      @Dark-S.73 Рік тому +4

      ​@@grimreapersdo it again with jf17 block 3 with PL15s

    • @simba1113
      @simba1113 Рік тому +9

      @@Dark-S.73 the export version of the pl-15 performs more like a PL-12 that ED has already implemented so that video probably closely resembles how that would all play out.

    • @brynwise3629
      @brynwise3629 Рік тому

      Hi Guys, I’m new to this channel and vids. Really liked what I saw. Can I ask what program you’re using to simulate the battles?

  • @Jabber-ig3iw
    @Jabber-ig3iw Рік тому +5

    Meanwhile the nuclear sub that’s always in the area sinks a couple of ships and the rest run away like they did last time🤷‍♂️

    • @BlesamaSoul
      @BlesamaSoul Рік тому +1

      likewise a few holes in their airfields to ensure they cannot land upon return and no infrastructure to fuel/arm them........

    • @GS-tl9uz
      @GS-tl9uz 9 місяців тому

      ​@@BlesamaSoul. Hundiron un barco que no tenia siquiera sonar y era viejo de la segunda guerra, un superviviente de Pearl Harbor, algo así no pasaría tan fácil hoy en día, muchachos.

    • @BlesamaSoul
      @BlesamaSoul 9 місяців тому

      ​@@GS-tl9uzlooking at the Argentinian fleet there's very little capability or sign of modernisation. The UK capability has increased significantly since 1982, the Falklands are safe in British hands

    • @GS-tl9uz
      @GS-tl9uz 9 місяців тому

      ​@@BlesamaSoul. No niego de que los gobiernos de izquierda nos han desmantelado hasta ahora al no enviar fondos a las fuerzas armadas.
      Pero, desde la finalización de la guerra, acá en la Argentina se cambio todo, ya nadie lucha como se luchaba antes, los estándares para salir a luchar son altos. Es decir, no se nos ocurriría la locura de mandar a luchar en un combate a un Barco que no este preparado al máximo. Entonces si no hay material para luchar adecuadamente no se lucha y punto, y si lo hay bueno, se luchara.
      Lo mismo al nivel de Fuerza Aérea, jamás se nos ocurriría hacer de vuelta como en el 82 de mandar aviones sin radar y armados con bombas tontas contra un Barco artillado de última tecnología, por supuesto que no, eso es algo suicida en los tiempos que corren. Ya desde hace años sabemos que la forma de luchar en el 82 quedó caducada y obsoleta.
      Espero haber sido claro jeje
      Saludos.

  • @EastsideBodega_
    @EastsideBodega_ Рік тому +5

    I didn’t come into this knowing that the Eurofighter meteors effectively serves the same purpose as the F-14A’s Phoenix missiles. Thats really cool

  • @BernieTheBoxer
    @BernieTheBoxer Рік тому +6

    I'd love it if DCS had the aircraft to allow you to try recreating the Blackbuck raids. I finally got my uncle to talk about what went on (he was a Victor tanker navigator at the time and flew on five of them) and the stories make the hairs on the back of your neck stand-up. The utter lack of technology and fog of war and moving parts in the raids was mind-boggling.

  • @adodgygeeza
    @adodgygeeza Рік тому +6

    Other points: If the fleet is 34 the chances of getting all of them in the air at once is probably approaching 0, a fair number will be unserviceable at any point and some will be used for training and development work.

    • @joelbilly1355
      @joelbilly1355 Рік тому

      Yeah but they will probably know the Argentines are coming

  • @VimyScout
    @VimyScout Рік тому +7

    Smashing sorte, chaps. Bloody good show👍👍

  • @carlousmagus5387
    @carlousmagus5387 Рік тому +4

    " The King's Air Force ". That's going to take some getting used to...

  • @Anarchy_420
    @Anarchy_420 Рік тому +10

    I'm cool with the weapons load out, seems like a silly thing to complain about in War Games in a sim ;) keep up the amazing work GR!👍

    • @skatman3278
      @skatman3278 Рік тому +2

      Exactly. And even if the Argentinas did manage to buy this many aircraft, it's highly doubtful they'd a) manage to pilot them all, b) have this many serviceable, c) be armed with 120C5s (more likely 'B' models), d) have very little training hours on the platform.
      So, given this is an absolute 'best case' scenario for Argentina. It makes sense to see an absolute 'best case' scenario for the UK too.

    • @Anarchy_420
      @Anarchy_420 Рік тому

      @@skatman3278 precisely, well put👍

  • @ry4n813
    @ry4n813 Рік тому +8

    Very fun video, nice of cap to discuss the ASRAAM fox 2's often get overshadowed by fox 3's in your videos with them being shorter ranged most of the time.

  • @Papershields001
    @Papershields001 Рік тому +3

    Bizarre hearing “the king’s Air Force” these days. Not used to that yet.

  • @jimmyoconnell6167
    @jimmyoconnell6167 Рік тому +4

    I fought in that war Falklands young 18 yr paratrooper this upsets me the amount of blood that was spilt in that short brutal war

    • @Dawgreen
      @Dawgreen 5 місяців тому

      You signed up for the army . . . Not exactly a secret what The Army does .

    • @jimmyoconnell6167
      @jimmyoconnell6167 5 місяців тому

      @Dawgreen never had much to look forward to high unemployment in the northeast of England in the early 80s it was the army are prison

  • @godalmighty83
    @godalmighty83 Рік тому +16

    Not sure about setting the F-16s to max skill level, Argentine pilots have been getting drastically low levels of flying hours per year, and definitely not in any combat roles.

    • @baronmonkerson2195
      @baronmonkerson2195 Рік тому +2

      Yeah.....Argentine pilots don't get anywhere near US or British fighter pilot training

  • @trevorday7923
    @trevorday7923 Рік тому +22

    Considering what a clusterf**k the Eurofighter programme was from beginning to end I always had a quiet fear that the final plane would end up being absolute crap. I've never been happier to be wrong, she turned out to be a bloody good multirole aircraft.
    And we need to start doing awful American accents if they're all going to insist on trying (and badly failing) to imitate the English accent.....

  • @Jason-pd6ti
    @Jason-pd6ti Рік тому +4

    Yeah I lived there for 36 years amazing airframe , loved the jargon speak by the. Way Falklands is a westerly wind so they were landing wrong way lol . I was in defence force and do remember the people are still under threat and argentine aircraft still push there luck . Not happy they getting these aircraft I don't particularly like fig but my family still live there . Radar stations you mentioned I won't comment on . I do wonder if America is an ally at times go back 50 years they supplied argentine army with weaponry and they invaded islands ten years on . I enjoyed the simulation but euro fighter 1435flt is an awesome aircraft. When I was chairman of goose green club I invited the squadron down from mpa for a few drinks what a night they presented a plaque saying thanks to buzz and the community of goose green for a great time . They also presented a chess set made out of f4 rivets and board was name out of a f4 panel but sadly was taken . Great guys who put there lives ar risk every time they get in the cockpit . I miss the sound of freedom when you here them fly by its an awesome sight .

    • @GS-tl9uz
      @GS-tl9uz Рік тому

      Pueden llevar hasta armas nucleares a la isla(cosa que ya lo hicieron). Y ni aún así va pasar algo, se preparan contra una invasión que no va a pasar jamás.
      Si se pusieran a leer en vez de ser tan ignorantes, se darían cuenta de que la Constitución Argentina prohíbe el uso de la fuerza para recuperar la isla, entonces no va pasar nada, pueden armarse todo lo que quieran, pero nunca va a pasar algo.

  • @minerwilly
    @minerwilly Рік тому +1

    I don't usually watch videos like this but I was tricked into it by the title.
    ... but it was surprisingly engaging and enjoyable 😂
    Top class. Well done.

  • @geoffers99villa
    @geoffers99villa Рік тому +3

    I sat in a tornado at RAF Mount pleasant with the engines running as a young rifleman jn the late 80's. My mate won the lottery down there and got brought back in a tornado.

    • @bengreen2329
      @bengreen2329 Рік тому +1

      that sounds like hell TBH haha. 19hrs travel time not being able to stand up, watch films, sleep etc

  • @traildogisla
    @traildogisla Рік тому +2

    If Britain felt the Falklands where under sufficient threat to send a whole squadron down then I would expect them to have a standing CAP up in the air

  • @danhodson7187
    @danhodson7187 Рік тому +6

    Awesome! I'd really like to see this re-run with just the current 4 Typhoons plus a Type 45 in between the islands. Could run the 2026 config of 48x Aster 30 and 24x Sea Ceptor.

    • @Rasterizing
      @Rasterizing Рік тому +5

      A Type 45 would utterly paste that air attack - it could pretty much single handedly take out the entire air wing in 1-2 salvos. Basically doing what it was designed to do against large air forces. The 45 is a formidible AA destroyer, but currently lacks surface weaponary, although that's being resolved.

    • @danhodson7187
      @danhodson7187 Рік тому +1

      @@Rasterizing yeah I reckon you’re right. I enjoyed watching the one the beautiful boys did where they were reenacting the incident in the Black Sea of the 17 (I think) Russian Migs against HMS Duncan, and it wiped them all out before they even got a shot off 😂

  • @gregs7562
    @gregs7562 Рік тому +3

    So are we not using chaff, flares, typhoon wingtip ew pods & towed decoys or guns?
    I think youre underselling the P'hoon somewhat.

  • @jamessnow3992
    @jamessnow3992 Рік тому +6

    This is so cool. Nice to se the Eurofighter used for what it was designed for! Will be sad to see it go when Tempest is finished ;(

    • @charliezz6746
      @charliezz6746 Рік тому +2

      The Typhoons are due to be in service for another 20 years the Tempest won't fully replace the Typhoons when it comes into service.

    • @baronmonkerson2195
      @baronmonkerson2195 Рік тому

      Tempest will be next level and then some......a jump from 4.5 gen to true 6th Gen fighter performance

  • @steve-iw2bg
    @steve-iw2bg Рік тому +10

    Great video but the Falklands flight isn't tranche 1, their FGR4 tranche 3s, tranche 1s are only used for QRA armed with asraam from lossiemouth, from coningsby they fly with meteor armed FGR4s.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +3

      Thanks.

    • @Triggatra4258
      @Triggatra4258 Рік тому +1

      ​@@grimreapersRight. ANYWAYS 😂😂 NOBODY asked him.

    • @Bob10009
      @Bob10009 Рік тому

      QRA Typhoons fly with both ASRAAM and Meteor.

    • @Jay-jo5do
      @Jay-jo5do Рік тому +2

      I'm afraid 1435 Flight are all Tranche 1 aircraft, not Tranche 3...

    • @Bob10009
      @Bob10009 Рік тому

      @@Jay-jo5do which makes little difference as they only have an air to air role.

  • @birdie2580
    @birdie2580 Рік тому +5

    Comment pre fight, I would say that you overlooked the skill gap. The RAF take part in multiple training exercises against multiple nations every year. I would expect the RAF to join the fight with way more experience than the Argentine air force. Hard to replicate but could have potentially dumbed down the F16s Ai

  • @vrsmartin2981
    @vrsmartin2981 Рік тому +1

    seeing MPA there brings back memories.
    did a stint there before going out to Iraq in 03.
    was not a bad place to go apart from the cold.

  • @hmmjedi
    @hmmjedi Рік тому +3

    As to the A-4's that the Argentines have the ones which they used in the Falklands where taken out of service and replaced with 36 A-4AR Fighting Hawks these where a modified A-4M and 4 TA-4F trainers which had an AN/APG-66V2 radar (pretty much the same as the F-16 Block 15) replacing the TV and Laser Spot trackers and a glass cockpit and uprated engine. The major issues is that the explosive cartridges for their ejector seats have time expired and other issues they currently have less than 6 of them remaining... With the F-16's the other major issue is the lack of tankers to help them get to the Falklands with a decent payload... Nice video as usual...

    • @Bob10009
      @Bob10009 Рік тому

      I thought they were upgraded, not replaced ?

    • @hmmjedi
      @hmmjedi Рік тому

      @@Bob10009 no they where replaced as the original A-4's where A-4B' and C's for the Air Force renamed to A-4P and the Navy got B's renamed to A-4Q... main differences where that the C's came with 5 hardpoints vs 3 for the B's and Sidewinder carrying ability apart from the Navy B's which where re-wired for the Sidewinder and they had a more powerful engine...

  • @darthsarcastus1064
    @darthsarcastus1064 10 місяців тому +1

    Do the British not still deploy a Royal Navy surface vessel to the Falklands? Surely that would also provide some surface to air capability, parked in Falkland sound it could provide some defensive coverage of the islands for any enemy aircraft evading the Typhoons?

  • @skatman3278
    @skatman3278 Рік тому +16

    I genuinely believe that there's nothing on earth that is better at killing non-stealth aircraft than the Typhoon - and I include the F-22 in that. The F-22 is clearly the superior aircraft and would win a 1 vs 1 against anything. But to kill as many non-stealth aircraft as possible, the Typhoon is just immensely efficient.
    In all of your videos, I'm really pleased you do 'best case scenarios'. Doing anything else is pretty pointless, not to mention the work and effort required from you guys.

    • @skatman3278
      @skatman3278 Рік тому +10

      @@wombatgirl997 It appears you don't know the meaning of the word "obsolete".

    • @skatman3278
      @skatman3278 Рік тому +10

      @@wombatgirl997 OK, explains a lot. When the Challenger was designed, it was designed to kill the latest and greatest Soviet tank and take hits from them. There's nothing been built since that is much better than then, so it's not really to fight obsolete equipment. Same goes for the Typhoon. It'll do what you've just seen in this video against pretty much any non-stealth aircraft in the world with little trouble. It'll also happily go toe-to-toe against the SU-57.

    • @ashscott6068
      @ashscott6068 Рік тому

      @@wombatgirl997 Well, when the only country anywhere near you that's even likely to TRY anything stupid, only HAS rusty soviet junk, that's all you need to destroy

    • @carolrowley9868
      @carolrowley9868 Рік тому +1

      Some German Eurofighters have F-22 silhouettes on thier aircraft after simulated sight on sight dogfights in i believe 2012

    • @liability443
      @liability443 Рік тому

      it was a dogfight, not bvr tbh, w to the germans though@@carolrowley9868

  • @rick_n_rollen8462
    @rick_n_rollen8462 Рік тому +3

    Well done as always Cap. Keep up the good work.

  • @ed-ho1rx
    @ed-ho1rx Рік тому +2

    If you were in a battle formation of F16s flying toward FI’s and 2/3rds of your group were wiped out like that without warning, I think you would turn and head for home

  • @johnmunro4952
    @johnmunro4952 Рік тому +1

    Now combine the range and accuracy of the meteor with the near invisibility of the F35. It's cold blooded murder! Glad we've got them!

  • @nigelpogson5411
    @nigelpogson5411 Рік тому +2

    I doubt Argentina would risk destroying half it's air force in one day in the near future.

  • @haytorrock3312
    @haytorrock3312 Рік тому +1

    I understand that when they scramble the typhoons they send up the a330mrtt so they have plenty of fuel on hand, the weather can close in really quickly in the falklands.

  • @marktierney2117
    @marktierney2117 Рік тому +1

    foxington 3 has to be the best british call out ever lol

  • @siraff4461
    @siraff4461 Рік тому +1

    In reality the air wing posted down there by the Brits is little more than a token to keep an eye and as a warning. If the Argentinians decided they wanted to try their tricks again it wouldn't matter if they managed to take the land because within a few days they would have not only lost it again but also any military they had in range at the time.
    Back in 82 the problem for the Brits was mostly range but things have moved on significantly since then and it wouldn't matter how much the equipment cost in wartime - it would be available come what may.
    If that meant every Meteor available then it would be.

  • @ptren5779
    @ptren5779 Рік тому +1

    21:37 might be the greatest sequence in GR history

  • @djchrismac
    @djchrismac Рік тому +5

    Hi Cap, loving getting more Typhoon action thanks but i'm curious: I've read that the Typhoon can be bought with Thrust Vectoring but nobody seems to have taken this build of the jet yet. Would your brilliant team of programmers be able to add Thrust Vectoring to the Typhoon in DCS and if so, how do you think it would get on against current 4th and 5th Gen fighters with this addition? Cheers!

    • @petertwiss4215
      @petertwiss4215 Рік тому +2

      There is a mod kit for the Typhoon. It was decided that the aircraft is already capable of dealing with almost anything thrown at it, and as such they did not think it was worth the cost.

  • @seangfoster1974
    @seangfoster1974 Рік тому +1

    "Foxington 3..." I LOVE IT!!!

  • @Cartoonman154
    @Cartoonman154 Рік тому +5

    I'm guessing the towed decoys aren't modelled on the Eurofighters?

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +2

      Neg

    • @davidyates1299
      @davidyates1299 Рік тому

      Sooooooooooo many OPSEC considerations - they are super secretive re those Decoys.

  • @byzmack1334
    @byzmack1334 Рік тому +3

    One way or the other the UK needs to reinforce the Falklands. Things are heating up.

  • @KabodaOfficial
    @KabodaOfficial Рік тому +1

    Very interesting to watch Grim, great video. I would imagine a real life scenario would also see atleast one Aircraft carrier not far away with F-35's too, given the fact that increased tensions to the point they're even considering another invasion would likely lead to such pre-emptive planning.
    That's not to consider the potential intel leaks or espionage that could reveal such plans (as we saw with the Ukraine invasion, months ahead they knew) and lead to such units being sent to reinforce the islands.
    That scenario would be very interesting to see, with more than just F-16's, but Argentina's older aircraft too.

  • @justandy333
    @justandy333 10 місяців тому

    God damn that exchange was expensive! $3.3 Billion vs $1.3 Billion. I realise it's hypothetical and not entirely accurate because of limitations in the software but still, it gives you a rough idea of just how expensive modern warfare actually is! And thats not including other costs such as fuel and personnel etc.
    I've never seen a video from this channel before and including that was a real nice touch. I'll certainly be tuning in more in future.
    Very enjoyable to watch and certainly gives you something to think about. Good job Sir and you got a sub from me.

  • @Mulberry2000
    @Mulberry2000 Рік тому +1

    The problem is the Uk already has 4 typhoons in the falklands so another 12 will bring it 16 aircraft. Plus 30 F35B, so that is 46 very modern aircraft against F16s. Also i do not think the argentine wil rist all of its most modern aircraft on gambit for the falklands, they be worried about chile and brazil. This is a very good video.

    • @GS-tl9uz
      @GS-tl9uz 9 місяців тому

      Más que nada nos preocupa Chile, se esta abusando enviando fuerzas a las fronteras donde del otro lado lo único que tenemos son sitios turísticos.

  • @chrisk_nfl4120
    @chrisk_nfl4120 Рік тому +3

    I think as a bit of fun, this was utterly fantastic! Bird and Drop made me spit out my drink with their WW2 pilot accents.
    As a platform, the Typhoon is basically the best aircraft for this exact situation. Not to mention if they sent down 8 more Eurofighters they could probably send down a SAM (not sure logistically how but dude trust me). In terms of realism, I think some Typhoons would be filled with a mix of Meteors and more ASRAAMs whilst others would be back up. So good work, if anything the F-16s would have more air-ground!
    Ultimately those F-16s are just good enough for what Argentina needs, but not something they could realistically ever use to attack the Falklands with. (plus their pilots would need more than a year's worth of training). Funnily enough, it's a very similar jet and number of jets that Chile has
    Would love an ASRAAM vs AIM-9X comparison video to show how potent it is, because the ASRAAM's a very interesting missile and multiple countries use it in spades 😁

  • @Bassjunkie_1
    @Bassjunkie_1 Рік тому +2

    Thats one huge Meteor Shower!

  • @stevenlarratt3638
    @stevenlarratt3638 Рік тому +3

    Usa supplying airframes to a country they embargeoed for illegal acts in the 1980sis a bit crazy.

  • @davidcanoy8579
    @davidcanoy8579 Рік тому +2

    Well, the obvious suggestion is to also play it if Argentina gets the Chinese jets instead.

  • @Smokeyr67
    @Smokeyr67 Рік тому +4

    I'll be travelling to the Falklands in about 12 months, nothing more to add, just a bit of a brag :)

  • @jimbass1664
    @jimbass1664 Рік тому +2

    Dunno if it comes up but I do like the names of the Typhoons. Faith, Hope, Charity and Desperation.

    • @chrisk_nfl4120
      @chrisk_nfl4120 Рік тому

      I didn't know that! Feels like names The Covenant would give to their fighters in Halo 😄

    • @robertlight2370
      @robertlight2370 Рік тому +3

      Faith, Hope and Charity were the names of the three Gloster Gladiators that defended Crete (Malta?) in WW2.

    • @jimbass1664
      @jimbass1664 Рік тому

      @@robertlight2370 Add a little bit of darkish RAF humour and there you go. It may be an apocryphal story, but it's one I'd like to think is true.

    • @flyingscotsman9657
      @flyingscotsman9657 Рік тому

      ​@@robertlight2370do you play WT by any chance?

    • @robertlight2370
      @robertlight2370 Рік тому

      @flyingscotsman9657 No. I don't play anything. I just watch some videos occasionally.

  • @whousley
    @whousley Рік тому +1

    Hey chaps! That scenerio was, "How well would Britain do if it had the U.S. defense budget and blew it all on the Falklands. Why don't you try that again with a realistically affordable number of meteors.

    • @WilkyTheFlyingScotsman
      @WilkyTheFlyingScotsman Рік тому

      Ive already basically done this in a previous comment, lemme go and c+p that for ya (sorry if some things dont apply to ya)
      well he did say the british got a days notice about a imminent attack and flew in 8 typhoons, and he explained the heavy meteor loadout, even then it woudnt of mattered, 4 Typhoons x 3 F-16's Splashed each = 16. Thats half of what they could buy. Even then, the airframes are old, some would have to turn back. Add into it that the typhoons could go back to base, refuel and rearm (if required) and head back up and probally get another 3 F-16.s Or more. Im not aware of the scenario you mentioned but if the line of F-16's is how it was in the video then each Typhoon would splash more than 3 each as they are far apart from each other meaning its 1 on 1 or 1 on 2 in a bad case scenario. Typhoon wins those, better pilot quality (Argentinian Pilots are notorious for spending very little time in the air and none in combat scenarios) put that with the Argentina's lack of understanding about the aircraft with just getting it. You cant defend what you are trying to. Regardless how you say it or test it theres only so much you can do in a game, look at the facts and figures and the UK wins. 999/1000 times.
      even with 4 typhoons, 2/3 meteors each the British still win.

  • @NJ-zi9lr
    @NJ-zi9lr 10 місяців тому

    "Jesus H Corbett" Is that Harry or Harry H? If the first we could call this a satisfying fighter Sweep.

  • @drrocketman7794
    @drrocketman7794 Рік тому

    21:38 Hell of a way to land a plane. -- Chuck Yeager flight sim from the 1980s for 386 PC

  • @giustypapety7990
    @giustypapety7990 5 місяців тому

    A4 sky hawk in 1982 was a second hand old airframe and do mess to the fleet ..this argies are good in many things

  • @_AnanasIEgenJuice_
    @_AnanasIEgenJuice_ Рік тому +1

    What we have been told here in Denmark is that the airframes of our F16s are at the end of their lifespan. Developing cracks etc.

    • @charliezz6746
      @charliezz6746 Рік тому

      It's a shame to see it go but isn't the Danish Air force replacing it with the F35?

    • @_AnanasIEgenJuice_
      @_AnanasIEgenJuice_ Рік тому +1

      @@charliezz6746 yes, I believe we had the first F35 delivered to us a couple of months ago.

  • @wilsonrawlin8547
    @wilsonrawlin8547 10 місяців тому

    I see the barrel roll technique that Longshot came up with in the Typhoon being used!

  • @raptorblarg2284
    @raptorblarg2284 Рік тому +4

    This would be a fun dynamic campaign playing as Argentina. Not just having to do air to air but also SEAD and strike. Kind of like the Yom Kippur War 2023 campaign that was done earlier.

  • @foreignmandirector
    @foreignmandirector Рік тому +1

    With a maximum range of around 500ft can F16As even get from the mainland to the Falklands? Surely, they'll spend most of their time hitting tankers, and all the Typhoons need to do are take down the tankers.

  • @haytorrock3312
    @haytorrock3312 Рік тому +2

    I think politically its better that arg is given us planes rather than fall into the lap of china or russia. The threat of an embargo hopefully would be desicive in the unlikely event they tried another pop at the falklands.

  • @kimfjeldseth427
    @kimfjeldseth427 Рік тому

    Thank god you lot had all the right liscence plates in order. Carry on

  • @Gazikula17
    @Gazikula17 Рік тому +1

    i think you should do it wth all human pilots and all pilots should have more than 500 hour flight time. that would be much realistic.

  • @ChickenLegs-fp9py
    @ChickenLegs-fp9py Рік тому +10

    The only moan I ever have about any of these WarGames is that the AI is always set to Ace level. If Argentina do receive these aircraft and a scenario like this was to happen, not a single one of them would be considered an Ace. At least not right away. Moan over, carry on as before good sir!

    • @jamespaladino2784
      @jamespaladino2784 Рік тому

      I was just saying the same thing. Wonder how many years it would take them to get even the most basic competency in air operations. It takes a culture to build a AF that I think they would almost be starting not exactly from scratch but close.

    • @tetraxis3011
      @tetraxis3011 Рік тому +1

      Its because the DCS AI isnt the best, so the Ace level is around the closest thing to an average pilots skill.

    • @ChickenLegs-fp9py
      @ChickenLegs-fp9py Рік тому

      @@tetraxis3011 That makes sense to be fair. I really didn't want to be negative, I absolutely love the vids that Cap does and totally understand the work that goes into them.
      Maybe I should have been a bit more inquisitive before I went full moan. Sorry Reapers.

    • @liberatumplox625
      @liberatumplox625 Рік тому

      You make a good point, the sim needs to take into account that those F-16s are being piloted by untrained, half starved communists.

    • @ralphm6901
      @ralphm6901 Рік тому

      @@jamespaladino2784 I think it has been said that Ukraine's pilots will be training for up to 6 months on F-16s before going up against Russia. I don't know about ground crew and maintenance groups.

  • @AllanFolm
    @AllanFolm Рік тому +2

    The danish F-16 airframes are worn out, cracked and ready for scrapping.

  • @bigbangerz5856
    @bigbangerz5856 10 місяців тому

    I'd suggest 1 Vanguard class submarine has the final word if needed

  • @pacocinco
    @pacocinco Рік тому +4

    Would y'all be willing to do a quick re-run of the drag race vid that the f16 won in the past, now that you've corrected the gr f16 flight models? Maybe just put it up against the previous competitive planes to simplify things a bit.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +1

      Roger.

    • @danhodson7187
      @danhodson7187 Рік тому

      @@grimreapers and please include Eurofighter this time! It won't win, I just want it to be there :)

  • @jamespaladino2784
    @jamespaladino2784 Рік тому +2

    Wait a second hold up, so Argentina like China are set to Ace skill? The US and UK just finished 20+ years of actual real world combat, practice and fine tuning also Ace skill level. China who has zero experience in modern aerial combat with maybe a third of of the flight hours of US pilots. Now Argentina who doesn’t even have fighter aircraft, poof, ACE skill level.
    Russia, for all its hype, couldn’t even get to Kiev. Time for a hint of realism in the tweaking guys. LOVE love love the channel and all the hard work. Can’t believe I have to say it but it has to be said.

    • @davidwhitton9050
      @davidwhitton9050 Рік тому +1

      It's done to make it interesting just like using SU 57s and pretending the russian and Chinese missile figures are accurate.

    • @jamespaladino2784
      @jamespaladino2784 Рік тому

      @@davidwhitton9050 I know and I feel truly awful even saying anything when Cap and the boys do so much hard work for my enjoyment. Again I love love every video. It’s just been a little under the skin I’m like oh the Vatican vs UK ace skill. I really want to see China get wiped out ( in game) because we all know they would go boom boom against a finely honed and practiced AF like the UK/USAF. Just one time set them to what we would really see as an outcome. Please 🙏 question mark.

  • @jaymorris3468
    @jaymorris3468 Рік тому +1

    Well the argentinians had well armed, more numerous and faster jets in the Falklands, and they still got bested by barriers by a long chalk. This would be closer and that with typhoon, although old now they has bested F22 and F35s in war games, the F22 has the range with its missiles but in a dog fight, I'd have to put money on Typhoon. They were also bested by Saab and Rafale. If its not the planes its the pilots. Just being honest.

  • @mattseller148
    @mattseller148 Рік тому +8

    About the less good weapons, I have seen images of Eurofighters with 6 Meteors (I think they were German), SU-35s with 6 R-77-1s, and most F-22s and F-35s run AIM-120D1 or later, so while maybe older fighters should have less good weapons the best of the best are being equipped relatively accurately by you guys.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +1

      Roger

    • @dogsnads5634
      @dogsnads5634 Рік тому

      @@grimreapers Never heard that Meteor throttles down to m1.0 before....because the ramjet doesn't work at that speed....cruise speed is a lot higher....
      Standard Lossemouth QRA is 4 Meteor and 4 Asraam + 2 tanks as well...has been for an age. The AIM-120B will have all gone to Ukraine as they were end of life, the C-5 are soon as well and will be discarded once the D-3 are delivered shortly.

  • @NardoVogt
    @NardoVogt Рік тому

    "Strider, the tea is wet"
    Jolly good ...

  • @theappropriateb8435
    @theappropriateb8435 Рік тому +11

    I would like to see USA defend the Falklands in the Falkland's war.

    • @sichere
      @sichere Рік тому +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @ivorharden
      @ivorharden Рік тому +2

      Well if that's the case, we should see how well the Chinese could defend? 😂

    • @TheHoneyThief
      @TheHoneyThief Рік тому +2

      Naa. No oil.

    • @sichere
      @sichere Рік тому +7

      @@TheHoneyThief There's plenty of Oil down in the Falklands

    • @nigeldepledge3790
      @nigeldepledge3790 Рік тому

      Yes. I think the Brits were keen for the US to join in back in '82. I can't remember why the US decided to hang the Brits out to dry.

  • @dizbeliefdanbackhouse5807
    @dizbeliefdanbackhouse5807 Рік тому

    19:51 just frigging die Simba for godsake I'm crying 😂

  • @tonyadeney1245
    @tonyadeney1245 Рік тому

    saves falkland and crashes on way home - we needed a futile gesture at this stage. It will raise the whole tone of the war. Get up in a crate, Perkins, pop over to Bremen, take a shufti, don't come ... gone off air sir ....

  • @georgeallison3264
    @georgeallison3264 Рік тому +1

    Hi, I'm the editor of the UK Defence Journal. Can I do an article on this video, if that's ok?

  • @superflyguy4488
    @superflyguy4488 Рік тому +3

    I'm sure I read that the reason the Argentinians couldn't buy the F16 due to the British vito regarding the presence of UK components.

    • @leandrocaricato3259
      @leandrocaricato3259 Рік тому +1

      No British components on the F16 offered by the USA

    • @chazzerbox131
      @chazzerbox131 Рік тому

      @@leandrocaricato3259yes there is there is British tech in the f16 believe it or not

    • @leandrocaricato3259
      @leandrocaricato3259 Рік тому

      @@chazzerbox131 I have to think that British gave their ok...

    • @chazzerbox131
      @chazzerbox131 Рік тому

      @@leandrocaricato3259 yeah they likely will to stop Chinese swooping in and selling then some chengdu or what ever there called also f16 great jet but is 80s tech now they don’t pose much of a threat to the falklands and modern western tech

  • @wilsonrawlin8547
    @wilsonrawlin8547 10 місяців тому

    You guys doing the British banter is HILARIOUS!!

  • @No1sonuk
    @No1sonuk Рік тому +5

    I'm at 1:36 and thinking the air attack is going to be pointless because the invasion fleet won't make it past the RN nuclear submarines...

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +1

      Surely Subs would take weeks to get down there??

    • @No1sonuk
      @No1sonuk Рік тому +5

      @@grimreapers There's always one down there now...

    • @MrScopeh
      @MrScopeh Рік тому +4

      @@grimreapers I believe they will have either an astute class sub or a type 45 destroyer present at all times, as well as the 4 Typhoons

    • @joshuasenior4370
      @joshuasenior4370 Рік тому

      @@MrScopehthey don’t have a type 45 there at all times. They have a river class OPV down there at all times.

    • @totalplonker824
      @totalplonker824 Рік тому

      ​@@No1sonukyou really think the UK would deploy a nuclear sub down there knowing what's happening in Europe. Especially considering out of four subs one is deployed
      one is on route
      one is refitting
      one is on R&R
      I'm not totally sure on that maybe someone can correct me.

  • @mm3mm3
    @mm3mm3 Рік тому +1

    Great smashy smashy boom boom Cap!

  • @Kevin-hb7yq
    @Kevin-hb7yq Рік тому +1

    I came here for the Boom Boom, I'm staying for the Takka Takka Takka

  • @Dave68Goliath
    @Dave68Goliath Рік тому +1

    Astute class with Tomahawks. Level Buenos Aires.

  • @pahtar7189
    @pahtar7189 Рік тому +2

    Brazil is making efforts to expand its military, so these decades-old F-16 may not even been enough from a regional standpoint.

    • @leandrocaricato3259
      @leandrocaricato3259 Рік тому

      Brazil is the main partner of Argentina. Nothing to worry over there...

    • @saldjkalskdjasldkja
      @saldjkalskdjasldkja Рік тому

      Argentina are not the best allies. "This important treaty (Spanish: Tratado de Paz y Amistad de 1984 entre Chile y Argentina) was an agreement signed in 1984 between Argentina and Chile establishing friendly relations between the two countries."
      Once they set foot on the Falklands, what did they Argentinians say? Chile is next.

    • @pahtar7189
      @pahtar7189 Рік тому

      @@saldjkalskdjasldkja: When it comes to treaties, almost no countries are very reliable.

  • @Bruhvernor
    @Bruhvernor Рік тому +1

    I feel like you’d have complaints either way. Whether you keep modern missiles or a mix of older and newer. I vote carry on with the modern missiles unless you’re trying to go SATAL style for more dogfights

  • @cropstar
    @cropstar Рік тому +1

    Thats no moon! It's the King in his Deathstar!

  • @hhill4413
    @hhill4413 Рік тому +2

    Marvelous ain't it. Britain can send all this armour and planes thousands of miles to defend virtually remote country,which really don't belong to us anyway. Yet back on Britain we are being overtaken by illegal invaders in rubber boats and can't deal with it. What a bloody joke this is.😂😢

    • @GS-tl9uz
      @GS-tl9uz Рік тому

      Bueno no se bien como será la defensa integral de la isla de Gran Bretaña, pero tengo entendido que no tienen el poder de fuego de antaño que era muy poderoso, pero mantienen un nivel efectivo de fuerzas. Y acá en estas latitudes, en Sudamerica donde esta el archipiélago de las islas malvinas, mantienen la base militar más grande de toda Sudamérica, ante una eventual hipótesis de conflicto con Argentina.
      Algo que es realmente ridículo, si me lo preguntas a mi siendo argentino y muy nacionalista, por que la realidad la Constitución nuestra prohíbe el uso de la fuerza para la guerra en el archipiélago, y varias leyes más lo ratifican, y son cosas ya imposibles de cambiar. Así que las armas que tienen ahí, van a esperar algo que nunca va a pasar. Y solo acumulan gasto estatal, mientras lo podrían destinar a otra cosas. Y en Argentina tampoco estamos en una situación estable, vivimos con un sin fin problemas domésticos que resolver, así que una guerra es imposible.

  • @greybuckleton
    @greybuckleton Рік тому

    I believe those Danish F16s have been pre sold to a certain eastern European state. So lets see it with the Jeffs!

  • @Phil_AKA_ThundyUK
    @Phil_AKA_ThundyUK Рік тому

    Typhoon can fly with 14 Meteors apparently but it'd have a rang of about 50 feet :P

  • @Nordy941
    @Nordy941 Рік тому +3

    F-16A airframes gotta be really old (over 40 years) I think I’d rather have new airplanes if I was the Argentinians.

    • @cyborgbadger1015
      @cyborgbadger1015 Рік тому

      so would they but they haven't got a pot to piss in have they.

    • @MartinRichardi
      @MartinRichardi Рік тому

      Chinese planes would be better?

    • @WilkyTheFlyingScotsman
      @WilkyTheFlyingScotsman Рік тому

      Money

    • @Nordy941
      @Nordy941 Рік тому +1

      @@MartinRichardi airframes can only preform so many takeoffs and landings in a lifetime so anything new would be way better in terms of longevity.

    • @MartinRichardi
      @MartinRichardi Рік тому

      @@Nordy941 even if they are Chinese planes?

  • @123chris0
    @123chris0 Рік тому

    We also have the RNQElizabeth and the RNHMSPOW. No one messes with them.

  • @123chris0
    @123chris0 Рік тому

    Send in 617sqn. Even if they got enough kit there to "take" the islands, as soon as we went down with our more moden kit they would be running for cover. The big risk is that we could bypass the Falklands and just go smash Buenos aires for a laugh.

  • @hardrockuniversity7283
    @hardrockuniversity7283 Рік тому

    A 'what' ache?! You sound like you are testicular exclusionary towards people like me who had unfortunate events take away some of our 'ballness'. 🙂 Love the videos.

  • @BobBob-ov1zv
    @BobBob-ov1zv Рік тому

    As a viewer I feel very valued

  • @RogueBeatsARG
    @RogueBeatsARG Рік тому +2

    Argentina will not buy those old ass F-16s, probably we won't buy anything since we have no money... But probably we would buy the JF-17

  • @sandyhamilton8783
    @sandyhamilton8783 Рік тому +1

    No way Argentina would be able to field 38 F16. Once you consider serviceability and the fact that many will be robbed for spares, the number will be way less.

  • @The136th
    @The136th Рік тому +1

    Meteor is not exactly a Ramjet, it's a Ducted rocket ramjet

  • @camtyler3576
    @camtyler3576 Рік тому +1

    Whats the role play for typhoon not using any countermeasures?

  • @garysimpson1486
    @garysimpson1486 Рік тому +1

    Air defense missing something