Okay why Sam won and the debate summarized Shabir ally's criteria for what passages of the bible are reliable is: if it agrees with the Qur'an then its trustworthy if not then its a corruption. AND DURRING THE DEBATE he gives not a reason for trusting the quran (then latter giving week arguments in Q&A session{if you want to know why they're week, quote each one and I'll tell you }) Sam's main opening argument is that the Qur'an affirms that the bible is from God and that God will not let it be corrupted, and teaches, that we should judged according to the bible if the Qur'an is true! therefor the Qur'an cant be true cause it contradicts the bible and by doing so, itself! Shabbily answers: no its not affirming the entire scriptures just what the Qur'an agrees with, (No explanation why we should trust the Qur'an except just read it and we'll get subjective feeling and know its true) He doesn't address why god doesn't preserve the bible as well, he does try by quoting the Qur'an to show that the bible has been corrupted. Sam responds by putting shabir's quote in context proving that corruption referred to in the Qur'an is by christian heretics who are writing there own scriptures not corrupting the orthodox scriptures. and then reaffirms that the plain reading of the Qur'an and other Muslim sources suggest that it affirms that the entire bible that existed at the time of Muhumed is from god. the genius of Shabir as a master debater is exhibited now because he switches tactics and topics, he attacks minor inconsistencies in biblical interpretations and bible passages inconstant with currant popular philosophies about God, in order to prove the bible contains error Sam spends his time reconciling these and the two go back and forth on these issues, and not the original argument made by Sam, for the rest of the debate! Sam does a good job reconciling objecting made by Shabir to the bible in the time allotted. However, Shabir never address nor reconciles Sam's original argument and therefore despite his rhetoric Shabir loses!
Both wonderful debaters, however I congratulate Sam Shamoun, because he quoted & answered more questions from both the Quran & the Bible. God does not make mistakes, so to say that the Quran is correcting the inspired Word of the Almighty Creator is completely contradictory to the absolute truth. The Scriptures were either breathed from God or the adversary, let us not forget that Lucifer was very well acquainted with God's perfect plan for our humanity.
The best part is that sam shomoun goes indepth into the Bible to prove a point and he does it too. If you see his page he gives a detailed description on the most asked questions about Jesus Christ....hes just fantastic, his debates are superb and he just tares his opponent see his debates either with nadir or with farhan or shabbir he just takes them on and finishes them.....i love you sam and for your explanation on your web and your videos i have grown more in faith....thanks bro!!!! you are a true fighter in the name of our lord Jesus Christ.
I have no problem with either of these gentlemen or their points of view on God or religion but man when it comes to modest and non-arrogant behavior Shabir takes the prize any day of the week. Looking at Sam when Shabir speaks one notices how far away from Jesus teaching Sam is. Self promotion is the worst way.
Sam, you are a man of the Word! Jesus is coming with the Sword in his mouth. Muslims, understand' the Sword is the Word. The WORD of God. Sam intensified the Word... Shabbir must learn...
There is no trend of development in 4 gospels, but they have 4 purposes: Matthew - He is presented as messiah told in Old Testament to the Jews, So his genealogy starts from Abraham and Many Old testament verses are quoted stating he fulfilled the Prophecies of Messiah. Mark - He is presented as the Suffering Servant of God, So there is no genealogy. Luke - He is presented as Man of God to the Gentiles, so the Genealogy started from Adam. John - He is presented as Son of God to the Gentiles, so the Genealogy is Supernatural in First 2 verses of John, he is presented as The Word of God and He is God Himself.
I cannot believe that shabir lied about the bible to gain a crowd in his favor, he said revelations 14:4-5 said no women got into eternal paradise smh. And that only proves his ignorance and disrespect for Christianity's scripture and the bible itself! Shame on him
I don't mean to be disrespectful but this debate was a waste of time. They should take Br. Sabir's advice and hold the debates in front of more scholarly people who wish to learn something and investigate for themselves. What happened here was just 2 groups turned up, one cheering Br. Sabir and the other Sam. And in the end, each group went home thinking "We sure showed them!!"
You see, if you heard Shabir, he's not there to win or lose, it's not FOR that. It's just so each side take the facts brought by both speakers, and see how right or wrong they are. Just to be fair, I don't think Sam talked about The Qur'an, maybe only a few... weird? things. Most of his talk was about "Hadith". The subject is Bible/Qur'an as far as I know, not Hadith vs bible...? but I guess the answer is on the website he keeps referring us to every time...? meh, not right.
Shabir Ally is a great debater. I think that he's the greatest Muslim apologist that I've ever heard, even better than Ahmed Deedat in my opinion. But Sam Shamoun won this debate.
I came in here with a totally unbiased mind to judge by myself and I must say.. I do not care who WON the debate or not, because that is not what matters to me. I came here to listen to what makes more sense, to what really feel close to my heart and I must admit that Shabir Ally won my brain and heart on this one. Such a wonderful and clever debater. My heart knows what to believe, and that is the most important thing. I must congratulate Shabir, because that point he made with the story of virgin mary in the bible made me burst out laughing, no offense intended.
“They make ready their tongue like a bow, to shoot lies; it is not by truth that they triumph in the land. They go from one sin to another; they do not acknowledge me,” declares the Lord. Jeremiah 9:3
Sams Logic: 1. Shabir can not quote William barker, he is not "perfect" nor a prophet Sam says 2. Sam quotes unreliable "Islamic" sources and says "This is from Muslim sources" and then he counts that as proof, going against his own "rules". What a hyporcrite.
Shabir failed to answer clearly what is there for women in Paradise....??? If men has 75 virgins.... who are those virgins? Will woman have 75 virgin male? Well in my opinion, Sam Shamoun won. God bless you Sam.
It is amazing how Muslim debaters always start having an embarrassed and apologetic look to them as the debate progresses and facts are thrown at them from their own sources...
Shabir Ally i pray for him, he is more humble then Dr zakir and Deedat , i Hope he reads the Bible to find the truth instead of looking for things that will agree with his Qur'an
Funny how Shabir will try to use the Bible to say Islam is right, and that Christians should be muslim, and the Bible teaches to be Muslim. Then, he will curse Christians, by saying the Bible teaches them wrong, and the Qur'an is right. Thats the real hypocrisy.
Love how a Muslim can give more information about the Bible and Biblical answers than Sam, cuz all Sam keeps doing is referring you to his answering islam website which I have been too and its awlful
There is no a single word in Sams's opening statement that is used from Bible to prove how his book is not corrupted. That is problem that when christians debating Bible they are quoting Qur'an but when they are debating Qur'an they are quoting Bible.
Brilliant Debate.. Brother Sam Shamoun, you were honest, sincere and authoritatively presented the truth, The Holy Bible, The Word Of God; I'm, We Christians Are, Proud Of You. And brother, Shabir Ally; we love & pray for you too, but, and i hate to say this, your approach is weak & does not represent Christianity or Islam correctly. Not only do you pick & choose verses from the Bible that you, mistakenly, believe will help your case & reject the rest. But you also do the same with even Sahih and Sahih Hasan Hadiths. Peace Of Christ On All Of You.
wow...Sam Shamoun...he was truthful, honest and knowledgeable. I'm very impressed. Respect to Dr. Shabir Ally also....very subtle but knowledgeable. Good Debate but I think Sam forced in the fact that the Qu'ran isn't as perfect as Muslim claim, Islam has a concept of original sin and that Muslims have no real assurances of salvation.
Lol!!! All of you claiming that Sam won the debate clearly didn't watch the debate at all. I can't believe you people fell for Sam's tactics. You poor people... Desperate to hold on to that man made faith of yours. To bad for you too. Some truth is their in your bibles but people like Sam are twisting it up. Shabir ally is trying to show you fools the truth. Just hear him and check up the info for yourself and you will see just how fake Sam is
@Nazam44 From the physical side and the body language being projected by Shamoun, it does not take a genius to know that a debate with him would point to no conclusions , shaking his head side by side, patronizing the argument given by Shabir Ally, he is clearly not in the mind to have an open topic discussion with Shabir Ally , all too typical the characteristics of an unworthy person that is clearly debating on his beliefs and not listening to the logic and common sense aspect of a question
Pray to God about it and follow your heart and disregard external pressure. I was brought up Christian and have also read a large part of the Quran. I found love in the Holy Bible and not much love in the Quran. The question is this: Do you adhere to what you were born into or follow your heart after praying for guidance? If you feel a tugging at your heart it is the Holy Spirit. Let no one tell you that it is Satan. Talk to Muslims who converted to Christianity. They went through it too. Peace.
So the Muslims believe that Shabir won and Christians think that Sam won. Well, Sam answered more questions and used more sources. Sam won the debate and most unbiased people would agree.
After listening to Sam Shamoun's amazing rebuttal, i could do nothing but cover my face from the excruciating attack to the muslim. #TeamShamoun Aka TeamJesus!
Shabir's problem is that he tries to describe Jesus as part of God with common sense! How can you describe the miracles Jesus did with common sense? And his book does not deny Jesus's ability to give life to a bird from mud........
I love your Common sense my dear lovely brother, Shaikh SHABBIR ALLY. I have been discusted with Sam Shamoun's discussion. I'm glad that SAM is going to be defeated, especially when he keeps saying trashy and unbelievable ideas. I see that SHABBIR is alot better in manners and attitudes. Mr. Sam Shamoun has alot of things to learn, including to be respectful & professional & Academically Sound.
subahana allah shabir ally answered almost all of sams questions where as sam commented about certain topics but never gave evidence or he would jump from one statement to another or his last resort where he would slander his opponent its sad really where someone who just doesn't want to know the truth because of its culture or because of his high paid job as a missionary
where are schools that taught embryology in the pagan days in the middle east????? from the did Sam have this false information??? a website? seriously!! we need to do our own research I guess.
Doesn't matter to me who "won the debate".. so what? WHAT IS THE TRUTH, and WHO IS HONESTLY REPRESENTING TRUTH? I will find out after i watch the debate.. What is the truth -> JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUTH!! #Case closed
Jesus coming in soon. get ready to reach the father..( I'm proud to be a christian) amen. no man goes father with out Jesus. amen.. all glory to be Jesus
I really appreciate the knoweldge and modesty of Mr. shair Ally,... where as of Sam, I think he thinks he has something going for his case, but when I checked every verse he quoted from the Quran and found they never said what He said it did, he confuses people with different incidents ...
@Nazam44 @Nazam44 I have never used Lk 20:9-16 in an attempt to show that Jesus was God. I always reference verses where Jesus called himself "I AM." Like John 8:58, John 5:18, Matthew 14:27, Mark 6:50, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:70. Jesus called himself "I AM" so that people knew he was calling himself YHWH and not a pagan god. He also called himself Son of Man which is a direct reference to Daniel 7. Other verses used are John 11:25, Matthew 28:18, John 8:42, John 10:30, Matthew 14:33.
Christians can lose all and every DEBATE, Tha'ts not a problem at all. Jesus is LORD one way or the other. He is saviour, redeemer, begining, end etc etc etc for ever and ever amen.
Why does Shamoun keep making excuses for why he cant answer the questions now ,and why the hell does he keep plugging his website?? Answer the darn questions now! Its clear why, because he has no real arguments. He clearly lost and so to cover that deflects to go check his website and he doesnt have enought time. The time he wasted saying he doesnt have enough time could have been used to answer some of the questions.
Shabir won this debate hands down. I like how Sam says that the Bible is the uncorrupted word of God when Christian scholars have proven that there were alterations in the text.
Sam won! Shabir is good! But going last always gives the impression of a win because you get the last word! Nobody wants to go first in a rap battle! ,lol jk.
Genesis: 18:1-8.”The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent… …Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and BOWED low to the ground. He said, "If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, (YHWH) do not pass your servant by.He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ATE.” .
I did not find a credible argument from Mr Ally and, in almost all cases, his arguments can very easily be used against his quaran. Second, he seems to mix opinion and use it as factual argument ex. "God won't write explicit acts so Ezekiel cann't be true" That is like saying "I don't like it so it doesn't exist" and is not a factual argument. Shamoun could be a little more respectful but I found his arguments more credible.
this man did the same thing last time. her tool the song of solomon to proove that mohammad was mentioned in thatt book. then now he came and said that book is fake.
Sam Shamoun is really a man of God in my opinion. Sure Shabir can be funny, but at the end it's not what counts, it's who shows the truth, not for his own sake because it's not a competition between men really, but to save people from the corrupt path. I think this is what God wants us to do and I think Sam does it really good, serving our Lord and Father Jesus Christ. May he bless Sam Shamoun and all his colleagues.
Bytheway if anyone asked sam shamoun about his impression of the debate, he would tell you " It was my first debate :( " ok sam so you agree that you lost in that debate
Watched the entire debate thought it was excellent but I noticed Shabir was taking passages out of context from the bible. For example Shabir says Jesus will say I never knew you, well yea he does say that but he didn't say that Jesus said right before that if we deny Jesus in this life in the afterlife when we meet Jesus Jesus will say depart from me I never knew you. So he missed a huge part which changes the whole message. Then when Sam brought this up to him Shabir sounded kind of angry and said something like well those are not beliefs and so I don't have to read the whole thing I can choose what to read! What in the world was that comment about!? That was ridiculous and then I started to see this guy as very sneaky and untruthful and bending the truth throwing some truth in there but twisting the truth. I saw many of these examples and then Shabir really started to show his true colours. There will be sex in heaven, what are you Christians going to do play the harp and sing hymns? Heaven is something very different then we could ever imagine. Sex in heaven does not sound sane or spiritual it does not go with the higher self. Shabir laughs when he talks about Christians heaven.
Wow Sam did a wonderful Job.Praise God and it was sam's first debate with a renowned muslim apologist whose debating skills is far more superior and logical than Ahmed Deedat and Zakir naik.And brother sam tore shabbir ally apart especially in the rebuttal section.Hates of to u brother sam.God bless u
The only way one can come to a clear conclusion that Shabir won are the bias muslims, if you unbiasly watch this debate it's quite obvious who won the debate. Shabir danced around Sams points regarding the Koran confirming the bible. And don't forget this was Sam's first Debate as well and Shabir was well into his Career. Shabir just kept bringing all these so called theories about the Gospels without giving any proof.
@kenhargg: If you examine the life of Jesus and the self proclaimed prophet, it is safe to say that Mr Shamoun won this debate hands down, just on the merits of truth expounded alone.
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shabir ally is a gentleman compares to zakir naik,he deserves respect
Okay why Sam won and the debate summarized
Shabir ally's criteria for what passages of the bible are reliable is: if it agrees with the Qur'an then its trustworthy if not then its a corruption.
AND DURRING THE DEBATE he gives not a reason for trusting the quran (then latter giving week arguments in Q&A session{if you want to know why they're week, quote each one and I'll tell you })
Sam's main opening argument is that the Qur'an affirms that the bible is from God and that God will not let it be corrupted, and teaches, that we should judged according to the bible if the Qur'an is true!
therefor the Qur'an cant be true cause it contradicts the bible and by doing so, itself!
Shabbily answers: no its not affirming the entire scriptures just what the Qur'an agrees with, (No explanation why we should trust the Qur'an except just read it and we'll get subjective feeling and know its true)
He doesn't address why god doesn't preserve the bible as well, he does try by quoting the Qur'an to show that the bible has been corrupted.
Sam responds by putting shabir's quote in context proving that corruption referred to in the Qur'an is by christian heretics who are writing there own scriptures not corrupting the orthodox scriptures. and then reaffirms that the plain reading of the Qur'an and other Muslim sources suggest that it affirms that the entire bible that existed at the time of Muhumed is from god.
the genius of Shabir as a master debater is exhibited now because he switches tactics and topics, he attacks minor inconsistencies in biblical interpretations and bible passages inconstant with currant popular philosophies about God, in order to prove the bible contains error
Sam spends his time reconciling these and the two go back and forth on these issues, and not the original argument made by Sam, for the rest of the debate!
Sam does a good job reconciling objecting made by Shabir to the bible in the time allotted. However, Shabir never address nor reconciles Sam's original argument and therefore despite his rhetoric Shabir loses!
Jesus is alive!!!
Both wonderful debaters, however I congratulate Sam Shamoun, because he quoted & answered more questions from both the Quran & the Bible. God does not make mistakes, so to say that the Quran is correcting the inspired Word of the Almighty Creator is completely contradictory to the absolute truth. The Scriptures were either breathed from God or the adversary, let us not forget that Lucifer was very well acquainted with God's perfect plan for our humanity.
Sam Shamoun is a brave man for doing this. I keep him in my prayers. God bless you for uploading.
The best part is that sam shomoun goes indepth into the Bible to prove a point and he does it too. If you see his page he gives a detailed description on the most asked questions about Jesus Christ....hes just fantastic, his debates are superb and he just tares his opponent see his debates either with nadir or with farhan or shabbir he just takes them on and finishes them.....i love you sam and for your explanation on your web and your videos i have grown more in faith....thanks bro!!!! you are a true fighter in the name of our lord Jesus Christ.
I have no problem with either of these gentlemen or their points of view on God or religion but man when it comes to modest and non-arrogant behavior Shabir takes the prize any day of the week. Looking at Sam when Shabir speaks one notices how far away from Jesus teaching Sam is. Self promotion is the worst way.
Sam, you are a man of the Word! Jesus is coming with the Sword in his mouth. Muslims, understand' the Sword is the Word. The WORD of God. Sam intensified the Word... Shabbir must learn...
There is no trend of development in 4 gospels, but they have 4 purposes:
Matthew - He is presented as messiah told in Old Testament to the Jews, So his genealogy starts from Abraham and Many Old testament verses are quoted stating he fulfilled the Prophecies of Messiah.
Mark - He is presented as the Suffering Servant of God, So there is no genealogy.
Luke - He is presented as Man of God to the Gentiles, so the Genealogy started from Adam.
John - He is presented as Son of God to the Gentiles, so the Genealogy is Supernatural in First 2 verses of John, he is presented as The Word of God and He is God Himself.
I cannot believe that shabir lied about the bible to gain a crowd in his favor, he said revelations 14:4-5 said no women got into eternal paradise smh. And that only proves his ignorance and disrespect for Christianity's scripture and the bible itself! Shame on him
I don't mean to be disrespectful but this debate was a waste of time. They should take Br. Sabir's advice and hold the debates in front of more scholarly people who wish to learn something and investigate for themselves.
What happened here was just 2 groups turned up, one cheering Br. Sabir and the other Sam. And in the end, each group went home thinking "We sure showed them!!"
You see, if you heard Shabir, he's not there to win or lose, it's not FOR that. It's just so each side take the facts brought by both speakers, and see how right or wrong they are. Just to be fair, I don't think Sam talked about The Qur'an, maybe only a few... weird? things. Most of his talk was about "Hadith". The subject is Bible/Qur'an as far as I know, not Hadith vs bible...? but I guess the answer is on the website he keeps referring us to every time...? meh, not right.
Impreasive debate. Great dialogue need more of this.
Shabir Ally is a great debater. I think that he's the greatest Muslim apologist that I've ever heard, even better than Ahmed Deedat in my opinion. But Sam Shamoun won this debate.
I came in here with a totally unbiased mind to judge by myself and I must say.. I do not care who WON the debate or not, because that is not what matters to me. I came here to listen to what makes more sense, to what really feel close to my heart and I must admit that Shabir Ally won my brain and heart on this one. Such a wonderful and clever debater. My heart knows what to believe, and that is the most important thing.
I must congratulate Shabir, because that point he made with the story of virgin mary in the bible made me burst out laughing, no offense intended.
“They make ready their tongue
like a bow, to shoot lies;
it is not by truth
that they triumph in the land.
They go from one sin to another;
they do not acknowledge me,”
declares the Lord. Jeremiah 9:3
Sams Logic:
1. Shabir can not quote William barker, he is not "perfect" nor a prophet Sam says
2. Sam quotes unreliable "Islamic" sources and says "This is from Muslim sources" and then he counts that as proof, going against his own "rules".
What a hyporcrite.
Shabir failed to answer clearly what is there for women in Paradise....??? If men has 75 virgins.... who are those virgins? Will woman have 75 virgin male? Well in my opinion, Sam Shamoun won. God bless you Sam.
SAM,WELL DONE,GOD BLESS, OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU,AMEN.
1:19:52.....felt like a sincere hug frm sam shamoun to shabir ally...........good of u sam )
Shabir is not very bright, is he? Too bad he does not convert to Jesus which is the only way to God according to the Bible.
It is amazing how Muslim debaters always start having an embarrassed and apologetic look to them as the debate progresses and facts are thrown at them from their own sources...
After watching this debate, now I have understood perfectly why Sam never had another debate with Shabir ally !!, it's quite obvious he got destroyed.
Shabir Ally i pray for him, he is more humble then Dr zakir and Deedat , i Hope he reads the Bible to find the truth instead of looking for things that will agree with his Qur'an
Funny how Shabir will try to use the Bible to say Islam is right, and that Christians should be muslim, and the Bible teaches to be Muslim. Then, he will curse Christians, by saying the Bible teaches them wrong, and the Qur'an is right. Thats the real hypocrisy.
if u actually watched the debate, you will notice shabir responded to every objection sam made
Love how a Muslim can give more information about the Bible and Biblical answers than Sam, cuz all Sam keeps doing is referring you to his answering islam website which I have been too and its awlful
Wao ! Im starting my journey understanding Quran vs Islam .
Sam is a beast.
Respect to the Muslim for trying.
There is no a single word in Sams's opening statement that is used from Bible to prove how his book is not corrupted.
That is problem that when christians debating Bible they are quoting Qur'an but when they are debating Qur'an they are quoting Bible.
Brilliant Debate..
Brother Sam Shamoun, you were honest, sincere and authoritatively presented the truth, The Holy Bible, The Word Of God; I'm, We Christians Are, Proud Of You. And brother, Shabir Ally; we love & pray for you too, but, and i hate to say this, your approach is weak & does not represent Christianity or Islam correctly. Not only do you pick & choose verses from the Bible that you, mistakenly, believe will help your case & reject the rest. But you also do the same with even Sahih and Sahih Hasan Hadiths.
Peace Of Christ On All Of You.
If the Bible is from heaven then why do we find Jewish apocalyptic stories, such as the angel and devil disputing over the body of Moses in it?
wow...Sam Shamoun...he was truthful, honest and knowledgeable. I'm very impressed. Respect to Dr. Shabir Ally also....very subtle but knowledgeable. Good Debate but I think Sam forced in the fact that the Qu'ran isn't as perfect as Muslim claim, Islam has a concept of original sin and that Muslims have no real assurances of salvation.
Lol!!! All of you claiming that Sam won the debate clearly didn't watch the debate at all. I can't believe you people fell for Sam's tactics. You poor people... Desperate to hold on to that man made faith of yours. To bad for you too. Some truth is their in your bibles but people like Sam are twisting it up. Shabir ally is trying to show you fools the truth. Just hear him and check up the info for yourself and you will see just how fake Sam is
That’s why Sam doesn’t debate with people anymore who have actual Islam knowledge 😂
Sam Shamoun CRUSHED Shabir Ally... Hands down!!! We take the good and the bad we don't hide scriptures... Shalom!
SAM SHAMOUN impress me very much
Shabir Ally is the best Islamic debater.
Thank Allah for raising up people like shabir ally who expose falsehood
1:48:20
Shabbir's reaction when Sam hands him some paper for him to read.
Wow! God bless Sam... I learned a lot just by listening to him.... he is blessed with wisdom from the Almighty God.
hahaha Dr. Shabir Ally lost this debate? My goodness you must have hearing impairment lol.
@Nazam44 From the physical side and the body language being projected by Shamoun, it does not take a genius to know that a debate with him would point to no conclusions , shaking his head side by side, patronizing the argument given by Shabir Ally, he is clearly not in the mind to have an open topic discussion with Shabir Ally , all too typical the characteristics of an unworthy person that is clearly debating on his beliefs and not listening to the logic and common sense aspect of a question
Outstanding performance from Sam once again!
why does it cut out what shabir said in the end?
What is Jesus?
Is he God. Yes
Did he died. Yes
Did God died. No
Shabir Ali. LMOE.
Pray to God about it and follow your heart and disregard external pressure. I was brought up Christian and have also read a large part of the Quran. I found love in the Holy Bible and not much love in the Quran. The question is this: Do you adhere to what you were born into or follow your heart after praying for guidance? If you feel a tugging at your heart it is the Holy Spirit. Let no one tell you that it is Satan. Talk to Muslims who converted to Christianity. They went through it too. Peace.
So the Muslims believe that Shabir won and Christians think that Sam won. Well, Sam answered more questions and used more sources. Sam won the debate and most unbiased people would agree.
@ADAJ3
There is no way God (YHWH) allow His scripture (Bible) was corrupted, left it for around 600 years, then restored the truth in quran...
After listening to Sam Shamoun's amazing rebuttal, i could do nothing but cover my face from the excruciating attack to the muslim. #TeamShamoun Aka TeamJesus!
Sam got destroyed from the first lap.
the truth always prevails mashallah
Shabyr lost the debate! He's lost I feel pity for him.
Shabir's problem is that he tries to describe Jesus as part of God with common sense! How can you describe the miracles Jesus did with common sense? And his book does not deny Jesus's ability to give life to a bird from mud........
I was expecting Shamoun to be quoting from the Quran rather than third, fourth, fifth or more party. Like wisely his opponent quoting from the Bible.
I love your Common sense my dear lovely brother, Shaikh SHABBIR ALLY. I have been discusted with Sam Shamoun's discussion. I'm glad that SAM is going to be defeated, especially when he keeps saying trashy and unbelievable ideas. I see that SHABBIR is alot better in manners and attitudes. Mr. Sam Shamoun has alot of things to learn, including to be respectful & professional & Academically Sound.
Way to go brother Sam!
subahana allah shabir ally answered almost all of sams questions where as sam commented about certain topics but never gave evidence or he would jump from one statement to another or his last resort where he would slander his opponent its sad really where someone who just doesn't want to know the truth because of its culture or because of his high paid job as a missionary
where are schools that taught embryology in the pagan days in the middle east????? from the did Sam have this false information??? a website? seriously!! we need to do our own research I guess.
Doesn't matter to me who "won the debate".. so what? WHAT IS THE TRUTH, and WHO IS HONESTLY REPRESENTING TRUTH? I will find out after i watch the debate..
What is the truth -> JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUTH!! #Case closed
Clearly Sam won the debate! Honestly and truthfully.
LOL! Sam got owned..
truth shall prevail
muslim man made more sence
Jesus coming in soon. get ready to reach the father..( I'm proud to be a christian) amen. no man goes father with out Jesus. amen.. all glory to be Jesus
Sam Definitely..... got owned....
Sam is the clear winner, he was clear precise, quoted all his references correctly and spoke the truth. I cant t say the same for shabir
I'm not religious at all but Mr. Shabir has very good points. The bible contradicts itself and has been rewritten a lot.
Christians will say Sam Shamoun won, and Muslims will say Shabir Ally won. Shamoun won btw. :)
I really appreciate the knoweldge and modesty of Mr. shair Ally,... where as of Sam, I think he thinks he has something going for his case, but when I checked every verse he quoted from the Quran and found they never said what He said it did, he confuses people with different incidents ...
subhanallah, shabir ally is a great debater may Allah have mercy on him
@Nazam44 @Nazam44 I have never used Lk 20:9-16 in an attempt to show that Jesus was God. I always reference verses where Jesus called himself "I AM." Like John 8:58, John 5:18, Matthew 14:27, Mark 6:50, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:70. Jesus called himself "I AM" so that people knew he was calling himself YHWH and not a pagan god. He also called himself Son of Man which is a direct reference to Daniel 7. Other verses used are John 11:25, Matthew 28:18, John 8:42, John 10:30, Matthew 14:33.
Christians can lose all and every DEBATE, Tha'ts not a problem at all. Jesus is LORD one way or the other. He is saviour, redeemer, begining, end etc etc etc for ever and ever amen.
Why does Shamoun keep making excuses for why he cant answer the questions now ,and why the hell does he keep plugging his website?? Answer the darn questions now! Its clear why, because he has no real arguments. He clearly lost and so to cover that deflects to go check his website and he doesnt have enought time. The time he wasted saying he doesnt have enough time could have been used to answer some of the questions.
Sam Shamoun is just awesome !
shabir ally wasn't just debating, he was tutoring the audience and Sam
Shabir won this debate hands down. I like how Sam says that the Bible is the uncorrupted word of God when Christian scholars have proven that there were alterations in the text.
Sam won! Shabir is good! But going last always gives the impression of a win because you get the last word! Nobody wants to go first in a rap battle! ,lol jk.
Genesis: 18:1-8.”The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent… …Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and BOWED low to the ground.
He said, "If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, (YHWH) do not pass your servant by.He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ATE.”
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Yes he knows them so well he keeps telling us to go search his website in the middle of a debate lol
@thetruth977 In my personal opinion I did not see Shabir destroy Sam, I saw a man who knew not what he was saying, and being prideful.
Sam will never debate shabir again
I did not find a credible argument from Mr Ally and, in almost all cases, his arguments can very easily be used against his quaran. Second, he seems to mix opinion and use it as factual argument ex. "God won't write explicit acts so Ezekiel cann't be true" That is like saying "I don't like it so it doesn't exist" and is not a factual argument. Shamoun could be a little more respectful but I found his arguments more credible.
Sam is a bad debater
this man did the same thing last time. her tool the song of solomon to proove that mohammad was mentioned in thatt book. then now he came and said that book is fake.
Sam Shamoun is really a man of God in my opinion. Sure Shabir can be funny, but at the end it's not what counts, it's who shows the truth, not for his own sake because it's not a competition between men really, but to save people from the corrupt path. I think this is what God wants us to do and I think Sam does it really good, serving our Lord and Father Jesus Christ. May he bless Sam Shamoun and all his colleagues.
Sam Shamoun has right and won the debate
Bytheway if anyone asked sam shamoun about his impression of the debate, he would tell you " It was my first debate :( "
ok sam so you agree that you lost in that debate
Subhanallah, Thanks shabir,you strengthening my faith
Most of what Sam says is absolute BS lol. He is always angry and mean his excuse is he needs to be because he is a Christian.
Thank you brother Shabir . May Allah bless you
Watched the entire debate thought it was excellent but I noticed Shabir was taking passages out of context from the bible. For example Shabir says Jesus will say I never knew you, well yea he does say that but he didn't say that Jesus said right before that if we deny Jesus in this life in the afterlife when we meet Jesus Jesus will say depart from me I never knew you. So he missed a huge part which changes the whole message. Then when Sam brought this up to him Shabir sounded kind of angry and said something like well those are not beliefs and so I don't have to read the whole thing I can choose what to read! What in the world was that comment about!? That was ridiculous and then I started to see this guy as very sneaky and untruthful and bending the truth throwing some truth in there but twisting the truth. I saw many of these examples and then Shabir really started to show his true colours. There will be sex in heaven, what are you Christians going to do play the harp and sing hymns? Heaven is something very different then we could ever imagine. Sex in heaven does not sound sane or spiritual it does not go with the higher self. Shabir laughs when he talks about Christians heaven.
1hr 44 ahahaha i had to repeat that..classic example of christian lunacy.
what is jesus?
is he god? - yes
did he die? - yes
is god dead? - no
What an eloquent debater Bro. Shabbir is! He made Sam look like a fool in his own eyes let alone the spectators.
Wow Sam did a wonderful Job.Praise God and it was sam's first debate with a renowned muslim apologist whose debating skills is far more superior and logical than Ahmed Deedat and Zakir naik.And brother sam tore shabbir ally apart especially in the rebuttal section.Hates of to u brother sam.God bless u
The only way one can come to a clear conclusion that Shabir won are the bias muslims, if you unbiasly watch this debate it's quite obvious who won the debate. Shabir danced around Sams points regarding the Koran confirming the bible. And don't forget this was Sam's first Debate as well and Shabir was well into his Career. Shabir just kept bringing all these so called theories about the Gospels without giving any proof.
@kenhargg: If you examine the life of Jesus and the self proclaimed prophet, it is safe to say that Mr Shamoun won this debate hands down, just on the merits of truth expounded alone.
Its hilarious how Sam Shamoun huges brother Shabir and later on insults him on pal talk. This guy does everything for "show"
Christianity is something created by Paul, Jesus has nothing to do with it
Sam shamoun should have asked those question in private to Shabir aly before asking those questions in public and humiliating himself.
Sam is pretty good.