Georgiou Time Travel? - Star Trek Discovery Theory
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- Опубліковано 4 гру 2020
- Will Phillipa Georgiou time travel in Star Trek Discovery? Join Trek Central's Captain Jack as he beams down today to explore the theories surrounding Michelle Yeoh's character of Phillipa Georgiou and the potential for her to time travel in the Star Trek universe to kickstart the Section 31 series, previously announced last year.
Star Trek: Discovery is the seventh series set in the Star Trek universe. Created by Bryan Fuller and Alex Kurtzman, Discovery was originally set roughly a decade before Star Trek: The Original Series, set primarily aboard the starship USS Discovery, before jumping from the 23rd century to the 32nd century.
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Title: Georgiou Time Travel? - Star Trek Discovery Theory
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As much as I don't want to see Phillipa leave Michael, this theory really represents what I've been thinking would happen to the character.
One thing we can all agree on: This woman needs... a DOCTOR! (Cue TARDIS).
Seriously though, Michelle Yeoh in Doctor Who: Yes, please!
I like the Guardian of Forever theory, as City on the Edge of Forever is often regarded at the best TOS episode ever.
The GOF is the logical means for her to get back, but then again...that knowledge was not known in Discovery's time, but Kirk's *TOS*...it be will interesting to see how they find out about it.
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Discovery could rediscover it.
@@Carlos0619ASmith uhhh , 32nd century there. Means,” After all the other Treks”, so, logically all that info is logged someplace
@@2bituser569 I just spent reading a massive read on the Guardian, through novels references...from TOS with Kirk, Spock to NGen with Riker. They were using that that Device.
Origin creation was referred to be a creation of Q's ancestry, even before the Q evolved to their current state. But all Books are Beta canon. But it was remarkably interesting to see things flushed out that way.
And a small correction---I stated that the location of it, was in Alpha quadrant, it is not...it is in Beta. And the star system is unknown...it is indicated that the planet and the Device shifts position from time to time.
@@tlouiseallen9302 Good temporal thinking.Certainly especially the GUARDIAN OF FOREVER would be known and protected by the FEDERATION.I seem to recall it was first found when STARFLEET sent the origional NCC-1701 ENTERPRISE to investigate localized temporal disturbances on the planetoid of which it was the source.What took place on the planet would be of paramount concern by STARFLEET as the time travel events offered by THE GUARDIAN had unlimited range that erased known history and could only be restored by great sacrifice.KIRK would have recommended it never be used again as even though it is thought to be a machine it has a malevolence in its nature.
I think the burn and gergio’s condition are connected. In this current episode Scavengers didn’t they isolate the song as a Federation distress signal? How do we know that the ship that sent the signal is from the prime universe? Maybe it’s a ship from the mirror universe that had the exact same problem with AI/control. Now there are no references about this from Gergio in Season 2 but how do we know that the prime and mirror universes were not experiencing the problem simultaneously? And, when the mirror universe ship made its jump it miscalculated and landed in the prime universe 125 years in before Burhnam and discovery. They then did something that accidentally caused the burn. And for all we know it’s mirror Burhnam and prime Lorca. But it also could be something connected to the Kelvin universe. That would be interesting since we have no news on a new Kelvin movie and this could be a way to introduce it in a TV format.
Interesting 🤔. 🖖🏼
I like all of this speculation, except the part about bringing back Ash Tyler.
My thoughts EXACTLY.
Seems like anything relating to the restyled Klingons of Discovery are generally disliked even when they've been surgically modified to appear human.
@@johnwang9914 I don't mind the seasons 1 & 2 Klingons and I'm really looking forward to seeing the 32nd century version, I just can't stand Ash because he's a walking soap opera. Ever since the character was introduced, he's been nothing but a magnet for melodrama and the actor's portrayal has been completely ham-fisted the entire time.
@@johnhmaloney Yeah, it's mostly long term Trekkies that are upset about the Klingon restyle, it took a while for Trekkies to accept the first movie series and TNG redesign as well. As to Ash's sappy character, well that's just something more to roll our eyes on.
OMG, NO more crybaby Ash Tyler! He makes a rewatch of Season One of Discovery less enjoyable. Thank heavens his role was somewhat reduced in Season Two. I’ve loved all the new Trek starting with the Kelvin movies, but I think I’d pass on Section 31 if his whining, overacting character is back.
Hey, how about doing one of those "slingshot maneuvers"? You know, like the Kirk did in Star Trek IV, or in TOS.
Hey now, I would be careful about subtly referring to Empress Georgiou as anything like a whale! That might go very badly!
That makes sense. One fact every one fails to expand upon is Tilly becoming a Captain and the Mycelial network. Tilly must be sent back to her time and rise through the ranks to become Captain on the Pike series with her own ship and command. And Georgio also has to go back to maintain as empress or slip into Tilly's time to be a part of Section 31. They could wind up leaving discovery together. That being said...I'd like to see Detmer become number 1.
@@davepowder4020 hahaha so funny but I totally agree!
They are already over the temporal cold war, so there is a tech to go back, its just banned, but I guess they will just make an exception for Georgiou. She will "outweigh the many" :))
Of course warp speed around a sun with specific matter antimatter mixtures also allowed time travel both in ToS and Star Trek IV. No need to seek the guardian at the city of forever, just Vulcan calculations with a willingness to make some educated guesses.
Of course, they've now explained the problem as both dimensional and temporal travel being the cause but I was thinking that since a genetic difference was mentioned that perhaps an engineered widespread virus, phage or prion was developed to discourage dimensional travelers. We saw very specific engineered viruses before on TNG, that would also make it possible to find a cure somewhere and some when and it could also mean that genocide with a biogenic weapon is being hidden..
Ya i think she will take the discovery back in time to right after they left and will leave it in the nebula where the burn originated (maybe the cause). Maybe the distress signal in that nebula is the discovery?
Except that risks Control capturing the sphere data again... It would be better to use a warp capable shuttle to get her back in time by a warp slingshot around a sun. The Discovery crew may not be aware of the time warp slingshot but the 32nd century Federation would know of it and it only takes a Vulcan willing to make human educated guesses with the calculations to do it. Yeah, I know you want to integrate the short trek Calypso but the Discovery in Calypso is not the updated Discovery we have now.
But discovery now looks different
I agree, I also think the Discovery was created in the future and the ship is stuck in a time loop. No one reinvented the spore drive because it wasn't invented until the 3100's as an answer to the burn.
I like this theory. I don’t like the thought that it’s Disco that caused the whole thing , but hey ..🖖🏼
@@Bitchslapper316 that would help solve the problem that fans have that the spore drive is too powerful to have been made before voyager took place
She also could use the Bajoran orb of time
That is actually before her time....she won't know it.
@@Carlos0619ASmith She's from the mirror universe, her timeline's not gonna be the same, who knows what the mirror universe was aware of and at what time vs the prime universe. - Regardless they're in the future in this universe now - so unless EVERYTHING time travel-wise has been destroyed who knows what options are on the table
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@@sillyrabbit734 Well, we got a two parter... Let's see how far they will go.
Judging by the fact that the clip for next episode mentions the Kelvin-Timeline i will assume the cure is to be found there.
Seeing the Kelvin enterprise plz
Unlikely...
@Kiwi Antz Last time I checked Vulcan in the proper timeline was never destroyed. Not sure where you''re getting your info. Having vulcan/Ne'var still exist in STdisco Makes 1000% percent. But sure Lazy writing I guess.
@Kiwi Antz alternate universes. Get caught up ..Go watch the clip, they talk about a cross over during the temporal wars.
@Kiwi Antz don’t just say it’s lazy writing it isn’t!! Vulcan was never destroyed in the prime timeline , Nero went to the Kelvin timeline with Spock and left Spock on that icy planet to let him watch his planet (Vulcan) get destroyed in the Kelvin timeline not prime
I doubt it will have anything to do with The Guardian of Forever because Harlan Ellison’s estate would probably never allow them to use it. Also the ice world appears to be Andoria and if they are no longer part of the Federation they may still have means to send Georgio back in time. Also from the title I’m guessing she will not only go back in time but also back to the Terran Universe.
Wasn't there an episode in the original series where a planet was about to be destroyed in a super nova and the librarian sent everyone back in time to avoid dying where Spock went to an Ice age?
they had to go through a process to prepare their cells. Mr. atoz was yelling at Kirk that he wasn’t ready when Kirk went looking for bones and spock
Yeah but that library was destroyed, they would have to time travel to get there.
Besides, they could just do a warp slingshot around the Sun to travel through time as they did in two episodes of ToS and in the movie Star Trek IV.
On reflection, I find this episode, All Our Yesterdays, a rather silly one now. Sending an entire planet's population to various points in its past would skewer the timeline, plus it wouldn't really save their world from destruction. It would make no difference whatsoever.
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I think the slingshot method was kept secret only Spock knew the calculations for it.
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I think it was about saving their people rather. You would imagine it be easier to build ships and colonize other world(s) instead.
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Thx..that time travel and jumping universes...now makes more sense.
The federation signed temporal accords. Former members may not adhere to them. So they may redevelop the technology
What about time travel like kirk and crew did in the voyage home? An we all know the star fleet insignia bottom arch is warp travel, top tip arch is time travel
The Delta insignia was supposed to be ship specific to the Enterprise in ToS and was probably inspired by the US Air force space core whose arrow head logo over a globe predates Star Trek. In ToS, Federation emblems not related to a ship was usually that of a Sun. There was also no arc in the Star Trek logo initially and the arc most likely represent an orbit as it does in the US Airforce emblem. I believe time travel was only part of three episodes in ToS so time travel is unlikely to be an integral part of the logo, emblem or communicator badge. Now in ToS, the markings were actually specific to the department's the crew members served in. The science department had a slightly different logo from command or operations, etc. The emblems are more like the mission badges our astronauts now use.
I think we've already seen (in a way) how Georgio makes it back in time. During the short trek episode Calypso, Discovery is waiting for her crew for 1000 years. My theory is that Georgio takes Discovery back in time, then "parks" it in some hidden region of space where it's sitting for a 1,000 years to be reunited with the Discovery crew. Kind of how Doc Brown parked the Delorean in a cave for Marty to find in Back To the Future 3.
I like the idea as I have been writing a Trek crossover using the Guardian too!
I really like this theory! I hope it comes true!
Aside from the Guardian, there is another way to travel back in time that does not involve special technology, and has been established in TOS' era. The "slingshot affect."
Georgiou will either take the ship in the nebula (which I still think is somehow Discovery from "Calypso"), and/or be responsible for it BEING in the nebula in the first place. Tasty little paradox.
I believe the Discovery (the ship) is stuck in a temporal loop. I think it originated in the 32nd century as Starfleets answer to the burn which is why it's tech was never replicated in the past 1000 years, it wasn't invented yet. They will program the matter to make the discovery look like it did in the 22nd century then complete that loop by sending the ship back (not the crew, piloted by the AI) 1000 years to ensure the events play out as they did already. This would match the trek short and it wouldn't be a temporal violation because it's not changing the past or creating a new timeline, much like the events of first contact.
Is that a continental mass on the terran emblem? And what continent is it?
That part with the Kelvin Verse, is that for sure?
It would be cool to (re)introduce the Guardian of Forever as a nod to TOS, and a way to get Georgiou back to the 23rd Century.
Please make a video on the sneak peek of the episode 9
Wasn't the planet that held the Guardian of Forever a proscribed planet?
She is scheduled to have her own show. It is necessary for her character to move to another place and time - in order to start her Section 31 show. Michelle Yeoh is getting paid an enormous amount of money playing second fiddle to Burnham in Discovery.
@jeff is this still going on ? I thought fans said they didn’t want a section 32 show.
What about the "intermix" formula used in TOS?
I just love the character played by David Cronenberg
Control? She was alone with it when killing it...
Can't the spore drive jump through time! Oh can the do the same thing to her as they did to stamets!
If she travels back in time, the mirror universe can be reached again/before?
If she returns back to her time...it will be unknown if crossings will resume.
I have a interesting theory Maybe they're going to try use the idea from Star trek Voyager when a time travel officer went to the past to confront Janeway in the crew of Voyager about destroying Earth sometime in the early 20th century and ends up getting pulled before them into the early 20th century so I have a theory there be using that technology it's just my theory but yours is also good
I agree that Discovery is tying up loose ends, filling gaps and holes, and avoiding making new ones better than most of us ever could have begged for and those of us who cut our teeth on the orig. series when orig. aired...on black and white TV's, some of us.... have done a lot of begging. And threatening and...well I imagine there are college classes in cinematographic history that teach the epic fail committed by TV for cancelling THE best myth base since ancient Greece.
So is not the former empress.....she never conceded!!!!!!
Yeah she should go back in time and sue for a recount of the coup that deposed her before the coup is certified.
If the Bajoran Wormhole still exists, the Prophets may be of assistance.
Buuut, if Phillipa goes back in time, theoretically she could warn the Federation of the Burn, right, telling them all about the dilithium crystals? She obviously wouldn't know how they exploded the starships, but at least the Federation would have a heads up of what to look for... 🤔
DIMENSIONAL travel
Don't think its anything to do with Timetravel.. the clues are in this clip and in the clip for episode 9 and the trailer as well...
The cure for her is to either take her to the past ( which can't be done now, temporal accords ) or to go to the mirror universe ( which is now done easily with Discovery ) there's not been an incursion for 500 years WHY? I think she's made a deal with Section 31 for find out why... or to retrieve something... ive got a funny feeling its dilithium... after all the mirror universe will have ample supply now its limited in the prime universe...
I thought there were legal complications with the Guardian of Forever. That they couldn’t reuse it cause the creator’s lawyers tied their hands on it .
The Guardian of Forever is in Star Trek Online though.
Tom Paris from Voyager was really Nick Locarno from TNG The First Duty. His name was changed so the studio wouldn’t have to pay the author of that TNG ep royalties. They tweaked a few details about Paris, but it’s painfully obvious it’s the same character and actor. Harlan Ellison’s estate must have made some kind of agreement with Paramount/Viacom/CBS about The Guardian. Maybe they moved it to that remote winters location
Could be!
1) she CANT go back in time as it’ll change the future!!!!!! Regardless if she’s section 31 or not so all the PRIME timeline will be cancelled out
2) why is everyone so determined the section 31 is in the PAST it COULD be set in the future for all we know
It's been said that the section 31 show would fix the inconsistencies with section 31 from discovery with how it is in DS9, to do that would require it to be in the 23rd century.
You're right it could be the future, although another actor has been given a commitment for next year for the series, and he's still stuck in pre-TOS. It's entirely possible the Empress could be sent back, and still not impact the timeline - or create - another alternate timeline.
it could be a timeloop so no change to the future
If the Empresses leave, the future will not be affect. The Terran Empire has never had an true effect to the Trek Universe.
@@Carlos0619ASmith hmmm I think it has. Lorca, for one. It also gave TOS characters A Lot to consider or reconsider.
I'm kinda hoping they use the orb of time, since it's a religious relic it probably wouldn't have been destroyed.
They won't know about it.... that is Deep Space 9 era.
@@Carlos0619ASmith just because they don't know doesn't mean they can't find out, glasses guy could tell them, even though I think it's more likely she'll use the spore drive.
They Would know. Starfleet logs and all.
@@tlouiseallen9302 Judging from the preview.... they are not in the Alpha sector, and I sincerely doubt that the Bajor religious sect would have allow such information to be known that in that way.
The temptation to the use that Orb, is not subject to the user's will, its allowance came from the Prophets alone. If' there additional material out there that says otherwise, please point me to that information.
Take care....
Yeah and they’ve established the Bajorans are still significant and leading galactic eBay or something in the Bajoran exchange. Maybe that’s a nod to Grand Nagus Rom’s Bajoran wife introducing commerce and capitalist expansion to Bajor.
It would be great to see the Guardian of Forever !!!
While an interesting idea, I do not expect to see the Guardian of Forever make an appearance. I will sooner expect some contrived plot that makes far less sense.
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Unless her mind is wiped, she knows too much about the future.
Discovery go back in time with Georgiou, then Discovery hides in the nebula 1000 years, and the SOS is calypso that caused the burn.
When will Picard season 2 happen?
We don't know but Evan Evangora who plays Elnor on Star Trek Picard saif everyone's saying January is when they'll start filming.
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It’s probably at least a year away - assuming they can shoot in January
i would guess she travel back with a retrofitted discovery and hide it in the nebula for 1000 years, so that the short treck can happen and the distress signal from last episode is the discovery... maybe they even repeat the burn in the past (and are the source of it in the first place) to not altered the timeline
a good old classic timeloop
But like what you said she’d be taking back the retrofitted discovery where the one in the nebula is the old one
@@eoghanlacey6384 yes the old one from season 1 and 2... so they need to reverse the refit in the future so that the short trek can happen
I can see this playing out.....that's why Zora didn't have an issue with the time difference
@@orionsanime8575 true
@@Annishark but then that’s just wasted material , I say let them play with time and build a new one
Love Michelle Yeoh, but a Section 31 show just sounds like a bad idea for Star Trek -- they're the bad guys, even in Disco! 😕
There not necessarily the bad guys, they are the bad guys with good intentions, maintaining peace trough violent ways. I would love to see S31 going behind Klingon lines and making a political assassination to a more open to discussion with UFP leader taking its place
I honestly feel like Georgiou's arc ended ages ago. she's just kinda there now. I kinda want her to leave.
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Only Trek I am interested on right now is the Pike series. Discovery lost me.
The show is losing my interest as it seems to be delving into current politics like transgender etc.
Star Trek has always known to be doing that though :)
TOS delved into politics in every episode. It’s core to canon to push past our current boundaries.
@Chris It kind of depends on interpertation. As stuffed full of Trill spirits, struggling to recover "her" own personality, she might have given up and just accepted she'll be a collective from now on, having nothing to do with gender percetion? She says that she has always struggled with being called a girl, but she also has no recollection of her life prior to the disaster on her ship, so most likely, she is still adapting to her new split personality.
And when Kirk kissed Uhura on TV for the first interracial kiss I'm sure there was a Corey back in the 60's stating the same thing
@Chris I forgot about Riker. Wasn't Kirk high on some alien influence when going down on Uhura? Does a disembodied consiousness have a gender? It might think it has, because it used to, but does the notion even make sense without any bits to go by? On the other hand, if gender purely is a social construct, how is it possible know what it feels like to anybody else, as in how is it then possible to determine if a gender is compatible to how you percieve yourself. I feel like a guy, but I have no idea of how others feel like being guys? If others for some reason percieve my gender wrong, who am I to say, that I'm not also percieving everybodys elses gender wrong. It can't be society or social norms that determines how you percieve yourself, based on how others classify you? This is why gender as a prerequesite to selfperception, is in a sense more limiting and a step back than say the Unisex movement in the 80', which had the ideal to abolish gender as a social element in society completely. I presume most of us in a worksetting, don't consider your collegues gender all the time, and talk and act just the same to everybody in your department?