It hurts so much when you realize that Scorpia said that her family gave Hordak their runestone (1x7), but in this episode we see that it was taken by force and Scorpia's people were potentially enslaved or killed.
Scorpia remained ignorant The writing is amazing in a vague way which makes for everyone's self interpretation And it's pretty much more material and sense to make a continuation on those parts, I would love to see it!
As an audience member I knew Catra was being played, heck, *Catra* probably knew she was being played, but just like Catra, I wanted so desperately for Shadow Weaver to be telling the truth and show Catra genuine kindness for once.
Was Shadow Weaver sincere with the whole "we're not so different, you and I" schtick? I mean judging by the episode it's true, but did SW actually felt this way or was that just part of her manipulation?
@@somestuff7876 I'd say it was a manipulation tactic. Shadow Weaver never showed Catra the same "love" (I'm putting quotations because what Shadow Weaver shows Adora is *not* love) as Adora because she saw no power to use. The only reason she noticed Adora as a baby and continued to take special care of her is because she sensed her power, while Catra had aboslutely none and was also able to make Adora do things as her friend that Shadow Weaver herself was never able to. It's the same reason she took a liking to Micah. She always seeks to get power in any way she can by using other people that have the power she wants, while she finds the people without access to power useless.
@@Marta-uv4id I see. I was leaning towards this read the first time around, too. It's just that when she requested that badge and used along the lines word "powerless" describing herself alarm bells rang in my head. But by the time SW was talking about them being similar - we were shown, like word for word, similar raging reactions from SW and Catra to being seen as untrustworthy. Which made me think for a second that maybe SW at least being honest about her reasons. Than expected betrayal happened and that sealed the deal on it being pure manipulation for me. Until... *spoilers, guys be careful* ...season 5 with "being proud" thing which is out of all her speech, in that moment, felt least bit needed in order to put Catra into motion. The rest could be read as "focus Catra and do a thing". I'm not even touching on the sacrifice itself which I read as final manipulation into being remembered more fondly at least as well as actually doing the right thing this time. "Being proud" part just drives me nuts. And makes me question season 2 episode 6 in particularly. Of course not the character itself, the writers and their intentions.
@@somestuff7876 Spoilers The "I'm so proud of you" moment is also a manipulation tactic. The writers confirmed this, as well as the fact that Shadow Weaver was also *drunk* for the entirety of the final battle.
@@Marta-uv4id Really?! Where can I find this info? If so than it's solved. It's just seems completely unnecessary in manipulative motivational sense. As a lie it's seems even more like a kind gesture, ironically enough. This one I knew and actually love the drunk part, not gonna lie)
WAIT now I just realised that the reason why Shadow Weaver was making marks on her prison cell wall was because she was counting down the days until the etherian moons align, so she could conjure her spell to escape the Fright Zone . The show is so subtle.
I like her because while she has done a lot of bad things. She didn't want to be a bad person. The reason she wanted to do the Ritual Of Obtainment isn't because she wanted to become an all powerful ruler. She saw the writing on the wall. The horde was a threat and would be a threat to the art of magic she loved. But the old people in charge refused to acknowledge the threat (not that we'd know what that can be like) She wanted to use the ritual to give them the power to fight and defeat Hordak. The reason it didn't was because Micah bailed on her and ruined the spell leaving her damaged and disformed. When she failed she became a threat to the sorcerer's guild. They wouldn't have let her back in as shown by them going straight for the kill. She was more or less just defending herself. So because the Sorcerer's Guild and by extension the good guys wouldn't let her join them, she joined the Horde rather than be a side character. As we see in later episodes when there's a threat she joins to fight against it. She's on the side on whoever lets her research magic. It's her one true pride and something she wants to be acknowledged for. If Hordak hadn't started an invasion or the old men saw the threat for what it was, by now in the canon we would most likely see a less disfigured Shadoweaver teaching a young Glimmer the basics of magic.
@@GamerGrovyle Eh. I mean you could clearly see the signs of her thirst for power and her penchant for manipulation in her relationship with Micah. Also she used his devotion to her to make him help her with this spell she knew was dangerous, knowingly endangering him. I mean, Norwyn and the Sorcerers' Guild were clearly very passive and burying their heads in the sand, and then tried to kill her, but that doesn't justify her turning to the Horde, which is the opposite of her stated purpose with the Spell of Obtainment. Not to mention her abuse of Adora and Catra. I like Shadow Weaver's character but there's no redeeming her. Her backstory explains some things but doesn't justify her awful personality, which is a relief. Sometimes even a complex villain with a backstory can just be evil. There's no need to redeem everyone you give a bit of explanation for.
Anyone else noticed how Catra was looking at Entrapta and Hordak in resentment? Because, once again, the parental figure she's been trying to get validation from, is mistreating her badly while he has a favorite. She's seeing the Adora/Catra/Shadow Weaver dynamic in the Entrapta/Catra/Hordak dynamic.
absolutely. it's like history is repeating itself for her. the season 3 pre-finale ep where she...*zaaaaap*.... even mirrors the way she did that to adora, but with a completely different reaction from catra - horror at herself, and doubling down to "get rid of the problem" so she doesnt have to process her actions.
Man, when you realize that Shadow Weavers kindness towards Catra was just an act so she could escape, that is probably the coldest moment in the entire show. It's also painful to see that Catra actually wants to keep her around no matter how abusive she was towards her. As much as they may hate them, some abused children still hang on to their parents/parent-figures. It's sickening and twisted, but very real. Kudos for adding those complex themes in what just seems to be a fun fantasy series to some people.
I think Shadow Weaver was actually being genuine when she told Catra why she was so cruel to her. Shadow Weaver's smart enough to know that it's far more efficient to manipulate people with the truth than with a lie. If you think about it, I don't think she told a single lie in this entire episode. She simply didn't reveal the whole truth because she's better at planning ahead than Catra.
Yeah I don't think Shadow Weaver is that mad of a genius. It would be giving her too much credit. This just seems like a deeply complex turn to the "dark side". Very sad for everyone involved. And it shows the beginnings of an evil person. She still had a chance to be good but chose the Hoard instead.
I don't think she ever lied and that she did love Catra in her own way. She just knew that either she tricks Catra and escapes or she's sent off to Beast Island. Which, spoiler, might not have turned out too bad? It would've made for an interesting dynamic to be sure.
"I was a child when you took me in. What could I have possibly done to deserve the way you treated me?!" That line stings so much. So many action oriented kids shows show child characters having to spend their childhood fighting for their life, constantly in life or death situations. And to the audience it's a fun, comedic, whimsical adventure. But from the characters perspective, they're seriously going through a ton of trauma that has lasting effects on their mental states. Avatar and Steven Universe also spotlighted these lasting effects very well.
Speaking as a therapist and as an abuse survivor, I completely understand Catra wanting to keep Shadow Weaver around. Children grow up very aware (subconsciously, anyway) that they depend on their caretakers for survival. Even for an abused child, the prospect of being completely abandoned is terrifying, an existential threat, and that fear doesn't go away just because Catra was abused. Quite the opposite: the abuse has led Catra to develop an avoidant attachment style, so she really doesn't have any of the social support network we need to live as adults, making the loss of her parent even more frightening. Keeping control of SW is also important to Catra, because as Montana has pointed out before, Catra's conception of love is deeply entangled with the idea of control. Finally, Catra still desperately wants SW's approval and love. Losing Shadow Weaver means she will never get it. I've had clients who found themselves grieving the death of their abuser for similar reasons.
Being told by your abuser that you're "just like them" is the worst experience, and just another form abuse can take. It really messes with your head-- makes you think you are bad by nature, inevitably. I feel like there are two ways to respond to this, as the abused child-- overthink every action because you think there is something wrong with you and you need to counteract it; or resign yourself to your fate as an asshole and tell yourself "I can't help doing what I do, I am not in control." It is clear to me which "path" Catra is taking, without the ability to really process what she is doing or what she has internalized because she is under constant threat, physically and mentally.
Fully breaking out of abusive guardian-child relationship is INCREDIBLY hard which really shows how easy it is to brainwash children and how permanent it can be.
i absolutely love this. it's so messed up. anyone who has had an abusive parental figure understands the complications in letting them go, especially when youve been looking to them for validation for as long as catra has for shadow weaver. catra cannot feel useful until shadow weaver acknowledges her, and her alternative source of acknowledgement - hordak - has started to see her as useless.
I think what’s also interesting is how whole episode is about catra/shadow weaver but in the end of shadow weaver’s flashbacks we see horde finding adora, not catra. I think its suppose to show how little shadow weaver cares about catra. Even when something’s about catra she still doesn’t care and has more interest in adora and her power.
Yepp Spoiler: Even up to the final season in the later episodes. Shadow weaver was still trying to get Adora to turn her back on Catra. I’m glad I never cared for Shadow Weaver
SW sees what she hates abt herself (not magically powerful) in Catra and what she wishes she was (powerful) in Adora. But by projecting her self-hatred onto one child and her pure ambition into the other, she creates the exact qualities she sees in the children. Catra only feels like she matters when she’s powerful, and Adora only feels like she matters when she’s neglecting herself to work. Those qualities wouldn’t be there without SW though. She can say she saw them in the children but the truth is she created them.
I kind of like how the creators of this channel can dislike a character but still remain objective in their observations about the characters. They understandably dislike Shadow Weaver, but they don't do what a concerning amount of shera fans do: Fail to acknowledge Hordak was mistreating her. They were the first reaction channel to acknowledge this and that makes me happy
Yeah, it's one thing having a reaction channel that sees the big shock and awe scenes and focuses on them, it's another entirely to have a channel like this, where they're breaking down the psychology of the characters and why they might be acting that way, it makes for a really interesting watch.
And her voice actress, Lorraine Toussaint, sells her manipulation technics so well: "Oh, don't worry, little one. We're going to do great things together". SW believes that on some level. I was so sure that she was voiced by Margo Martindale, although. I watched too much of BoJack, I guess)
The thing about Light Spinner/Shadow Weaver is that her methods never really changed, just her environment. What she could get away with, what could be seen as normal, where she was in her life, and how much power she had all changed, but not her methods. She praised Micah and put down Castaspella to influence them both towards her own goals. If anything, I find it interesting that her methods got more extreme when she lost her standing in Mystacor since oftentimes, abusers abuse others out of fear of their own perceived weaknesses or lack of power. Technically speaking, Shadow Weaver got more power once she finished the ritual, but she never really saw it as a gain and more of a loss, which made her more desperate to regain power and influence again, causing her tactics to get more violent and toxic and pointed. She was always capable of it, but she never needed to utilize them because she had the power in Mystacor to not really have to use them.
i love this episode because it sets a complicated character for shadow weaver. she's not exactly a pure evil being who has never had a heart, but her particular brand of power hungry malice is just so.... human. she is cruel in extremely human ways, taking advantage of the children around her while also in some incredibly fucked up way caring about them. her relationship to micah and adora, versus how she sees catra, well, she groomed all of them but in such different ways. it's so sad seeing catra get desperate to keep shadow weaver around. and SW realises she has her around her little finger, manipulating her into getting the magic. but that doesn't mean that what she told her was a lie. i truly believe shadow weaver was being honest when she told catra she reminded her of herself, and that's why she was so hard on her. Scorpia watching Catra tear herself apart, unable to understand her attachment, and then Catra's despair... it's so sad.
While yes, Shadow Weaver is absolutely terrible with how she treated Catra, it is possible that, while she was flashing back about Micah, she opened herself up just a bit to Catra in their final meeting. She didn't know the badge was in the food yet, so while mostly it was a ploy against Catra, there might have been the smallest bit of genuine sincerity... ... And then she sees the badge and thinks, "Screw family, I'm out!"
I wonder if the transformation actually altered Shadow Weaver at all other than physically. Every behavior that makes Shadow weaver a terrible person was present when she was Lightspinner, so did the transformation alter her to bring those traits more to the surface or did she just stop holding back and being with the Horde gave her the chance to really let loose her cruelty and selfishness? And we see here that scorpia was fed Horde propaganda regarding her family's history with the Horde. They weren't friendly. they were conquered. Which likely also means the story about the other princesses rejecting them was also lies to keep her loyal to the Horde.
Great reaction, as always! Thanks! The VA cast is stellar from top to bottom, but we should talk more about Lorraine Toussaint's VA work as Shadoweaver. Her work in this show is nothing short of masterful.
@@somestuff7876 All fandom hate her but not me. Actually I really love her character design and voice especially. I don't like her as person and for what she done to Catra and Adora but still don't hate.
@@pryaneg4217 same. Her voice is freaking amazing. They way she pronounce "either" and "daisies" *chefs kiss* She makes one hell of a spiteful wine loving gardener;) Like I hate her as person, but it's fun to observe her as a character.
First of all, Entrapta is not teeneger, she is 30 confirmed, so... Anymore than that, i see no problem with the ship, i get to shipping them too with time, and believe me, you will 😉🤭
It's gonna be so funny if they end up shipping them later. It's one of those ships like varrick and zhu lu that don't make sence at first but by the end you're like ohhhhh
@@takasakisaito1210nope. The princesses all get into their 20s later on as most are 17-19 but Entrapta is one of the if not the oldest princess. Also Hordak is physically 40 so even the other age issue isn't a concern because he is both physically & mentally 40. There's no pedo ship happening but because Entrapta is so autistic coded & the other princesses are in their teens Entrapta is constantly mistaken as a child & it's annoying because it's the only Canon ship I like
18:50 It's worth noting that while Catra isn't exactly getting the fairest deal it's far from "she's got nothing". She's actually making the same mistake Shadoweaver did, not being satisfied and working with what she has and pursuing the next level to the exclusion of all else. She's still a top ranking force captain and has Scorpia on her side, not to mention a fair amount of influence over Entrapta. There would be a LOT she could do with that and we all know Catra's manipulative and clever enough to do it. There are plenty of reasonable reasons why she doesn't, but she still has plenty of power and plenty of actually sensible ways to gain more power.
Good points. Some of us do have tunnel vision where Catra is concerned. We a bit too much on her side, to be more objective. I mean I was nodding along with his arguments, honestly. Yeah, she could do better with what she has at this point in the storyline for sure.
That's not what he meant. Catra has power at this point in the story, sure, but she has no one in an emotional sense - as in, there's no one emotionally close to her, platonically or otherwise. There's Scorpia, sure, but even her kindness doesn't change the fact that her relationship with Catra is exceptionally self-serving, and she regularly ignores Catra's needs for emotional space and her boundaries, and projects a level of emotional connection that takes years to form. It's not an unsalvageable friendship, but neither of its participants are healthy about it. Catra, emotionally, has got nothing.
Catra is literally watching history repeat itself: the adult figure she wants validation from mistreating her because that adult has now a favorite (Entrapta). Plus she is still a teenager.
Shadoweaver is her mother figure. Despite the abuse she’s put her through, Catra does have an attachment to her. Loving your abuser isn’t really unusual. It’s quite common, actually, and why they have so much control over their victims. Catra is against sending her to beast island because she doesn’t want her dead. She wants her to recognize her as not worthless, as something, not nothing. And she wants that so desperately that Shadoweaver becomes her new lifeline, which gets severed when she manipulates Catra to escape.
I get why at this point they don’t particularly appreciate entrapdak. Hordak is a horrible person, I mean when you start an evil empire you’re not exactly a good guy. But their relationship actually made me feel sad for Hordak when he thought Entrapta had betrayed him. Plus, you have to admit that their relationship is cute despite all of that.
@@NiamhJP03 they are soso good actually and their arc and relationship literally saved Hordak. All that said, that is mostly shown s4 and 5. Its a huge spoiler. I am surprised though that they were like “no you guys are messed up” rather than thinking of it as a spoiler lmao
Canon couple spoiler aka don’t read it if you don’t want to know: • • • • • • • It is canon Entrapta and Hordak are a couple. As well as Scorpia and Perfuma
No matter how many times I see it I always act like catra and fall under shadow weavers spell. I truly believe shadow weaver has care for catra but she cares for herself more
Catra broke my heart multiple times during this series, buckle up guys. Poor baby, the only mother figure she had was shadow Weaver, and as much as she hated her, she wanted to be approved by her, make her proud somehow, like "look at me, I was always capable of achieving greatness, please acknowledge me", but she was always tossed aside.
this is one of my favorite episodes cause i just LOVE how the mages work in here, the coreografy, the sparkle UGHHHHHHHHHHH and MICAH WITH SHADOWEAVER??? LIKE WOW
“Y’all are messed up” well those comments are spoilers bc you haven’t been through that journey yet😭 but y’all will learn to if not love, appreciate entrampta and hordak LMAO
I am SO EXCITED for the s3 finale. also the s2 one but s3 has my absolute favorite aside from 1 part of the series finale. I think you guys are gonna love it if you haven't already seen it!!
Do you think shadow weaver always wanted to be a teacher or do you think there's a etheria guidance counselor who told her she'll be good at that career path? If so should that person be fired?
The reason for Catra keeping Shadow weaver, it was just because Shadow weaver is her mother, I mean she raised Catra since baby, she is basically her mother, and even when your mother is an awful person, it's still your mother.
......noelle did not confirm that in fact idek where that specific age comes from 😂 a character designer, once, suggested mid to late 20s, and that's that - nobody else said anything more specific
Ok I looked it up and I saw that she was at her late 20s then 30s and to be more specific it’s said that she was 28 to 30 and the Noelle part is because someone said that Noelle confirmed it so ya
I have a show suggestion for you guys! Arcane! It's got an amazing story, it feels like all characters are very fleshed out and It has some of the best depictions of mental health/illness i've ever seen. I'd love to see a psychology major have a go at it.
I think it's possible Shadoweaver has some degree of affection for her victims. I think it's important for people to realize that any actual affection doesn't actually matter; part of the power of manipulation is thinking that any real affection or good feelings mean someone will DO good things for you. And that's... dangerously untrue.
I love how Catra using SW's manupilations in her fights. If you watch season 1 ending again you can see she is talking (manupilating) Adora while she fights. And she will do the same thing in s4 finali. She's not only fighting with her muscles also with her brain.
Shadow Weaver, like Catra is the product of someone who had to fight for what they had and no one even acknowledged it, she was right that the Grandmaster was a fool wanting to just stand back and let the Horde trample Etheria, Light Spinner wasn't completely right but she wasn't wrong either, the spell only magnified the darkness already lurking inside her that everyone has, she may have been a little power hungry but the spell only made that a prominent feature of her personality drowning out all bits of light in her soul and leaving and only a Weaver of the Shadow of her former self, but despite all that parts of her still remained, her sparing Micah was one, and though her interest in Adora started from her power, I believe she genuinely cared for her but the darkness that engulfs her being makes it a sick and twisted love just as her treatment of Catra was just her trying to prepare her for the world but her corrupted heart couldn't produce any of the affection that Catra needed, I'm not defending Shadow Weaver, I'm just saying what I think, she is a terrible person but she wasn't always and isn't completely rotten, she still has a small spark that we've all seen... Future hints to those who know what I'm talking about and (one day that spark will ignite into a mighty flame)
I really enjoy you two. Especially the thoughtful breakdowns at the end of each episode. I don’t know if you’ve had anyone recommend Arcane on Netflix. I think it’s a series you’ll not only enjoy, but have a lot of material to analyse after each episode. Have a blessed one. ✨☀️✨
Shadow Weaver is such a well written character and such a good villain. She's evil and manipulative and practically the whole fandom hates her because of who she is. Which is exactly how a true villain should be written. I hate Shadow Weaver but I do love her character as it's written. They left no room for pity when it came to her. Also i should mention, Entrapta is in her mid 30's! She's the oldest Princess. That's why people ship her with Hordak, they are both adults.
i fucking love shadow weaver i think shes a very complicated character, shes power hungry but like.... god... how do i word it..... a part of her truly believes that she is helping the good guys and is somehow justified in what shes doing, while another part recognises herself for the irredeemable monster that she is, and both of these together make shadow weaver feel validated and guilt free in her actions. like she believes she cannot be anything else, she can only be this evil manipulator, and tells herself that shes a good guy for "helping" people like glimmer. also entraptas not in her mid 30s. shes in her mid 20s. maybe late 20s by season 5. doesnt matter but i hate when people are inaccurate
@@tipsy634 I see your point of view, and i can understand it. I always perceived that Shadow Weaver never thought she was doing good for others but for herself, which is why she was so easily able to flip sides because in her mind it doesn't matter what side she's on as long as she has some sort of control. (Not saying I'm right by any means, just sharing how I thought of it! I love your interpretation of her!) Regardless her writing was amazingly done and it serves it's purpose in the show and makes her a memorable character regardless of if someone hates her or loves her. It's brilliant really. Also thank you for the correction, I'm not sure why I thought mid thirties but i did look it up and she's indeed in her late twenties. I appreciate the correction!
but catra and shadow weaver do have parallels. theyre not saying she should get punished the same way or was as bad, but the characters do have parallels! and shadow weaver has basically been forging catra into someone like herself, so of course they do. look at how catra manipulates people at key points in the show. scorpia and entrapta in season 1, when she (not THAT insidiously) plays on their insecurities to make them cooperate with her. it's comical watching catra try to be like shadow weaver before she's good at it. but then how she gets more controlling later, and how in season 3 and 4 shes truly acting like hot garbage, bullying or manipulating everyone she comes across to fill some void, just like Shadow Weaver. even her positive interactions with Scorpia in the Waste have some degree of power tripping rather than true equality, though by the end of the mission Scorpia came very close to making her change her mind. but the shadow weaver baggage ran too deep. catra's still very young, and has a good heart, unlike shadow weaver, but the parallels are there and very deliberate.
@@tipsy634 I agree with you! I'm just saying that people due to those similarities that showcase the cycle of abuse (and even Catra calls herself the new SW, though meaning second in command) the judgement should be widely different given the context
Shadoweaver was right that needed to find some kind of way to either weaken the enemy or strengthen themselves, even though maybe not with a corrupted magical power! Also I never saw them trying INVESTIGATE for the enemy's motives to be on the planet and NEGOTIATE with them - WHICH, by the way is SUPPOSED to be the FIRST STEP! Eagerness and curiousity for knowledge, skills, progress and power is something amazing,as long as you are not using other people to achieve it and you are not using it for being evil to people, also you are having control of your goals and why do you want what you want and is it for greater good and necessary change 🤔! For the smart person she was, she didn't take into account the risks, if can't control the power ( because it is evil and you don't have the power to clean it or it is too much) it controls you , everybody know that!And still I felt bad because she had good intentions, the saddest part is when bad things happen no matter the person's good intentions, because of their mistakes!
This is where I fell deeper in love with carts and absolutely wanted to kill shadow weaver for playing with her emotions. She thought she was finally getting approval from one of the people who she was seeking for it from. Honestly one of the most important parent figure in her life
And the fact that if Shadow Weaver gently manipulating Catra did not end in her leaving, Catra may have developed some sense of closure over the way she was treated which could have led to a slightly better outcome, even Shadoe Weaver wasn’t genuine.
Let them figure out for themselves. I bet no one liked them together before Season 3. So please, delete this comment. It'd be sad if we ruined the surprise. :/
@@adrianwagner8202 nah. They were my favorite characters from pretty much minute one. My comment reveals no spoilers and contains no plot information. Purely states my opinion about my favorite set of characters.
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HEy guys, i'd like to point out that Entrapta is over 30, and is was said by the creators that she actually has autism, thus her behavior.
The voice acting from AJ Michalka (Catra's voice actress) is stellar throughout the entire show, but she is absolutely incredible in this episode.
I loved her version of the intro song for the s5 trailer
Agreed. Shadow Weaver too
Holy sht i didnt know AJ voiced her. Damn love her and her Aly’s music
So true
It hurts so much when you realize that Scorpia said that her family gave Hordak their runestone (1x7), but in this episode we see that it was taken by force and Scorpia's people were potentially enslaved or killed.
That could’ve been a good representation like they did with avatar and the airbenders but oh well
@@tanorfoote6341 Except, unlike in that show, they never made it clear
Scorpia remained ignorant
The writing is amazing in a vague way which makes for everyone's self interpretation
And it's pretty much more material and sense to make a continuation on those parts, I would love to see it!
It has been said before, but *Season 3 is so close* !!! y'all are not ready
and neither am I 😭💔
Yes, that’s the season that’s gonna take Shera into another level 🤯
Hehe
3 out of 3 children agree: "Shadow Weaver ruined my life".
wait til season 4!
@@nenakarra2579 4 out of 4 children agree...
I will say all children agree considering she helped the horde in the war
Hordak and Entrapta best lab partners for life.
“Entrapdak, no we don’t allow that.” Oh you poor simple fools…
The events of this episode are going to send Catra down a very dark path.
um same with adora?
@@belfong. No what 💀💀
As an audience member I knew Catra was being played, heck, *Catra* probably knew she was being played, but just like Catra, I wanted so desperately for Shadow Weaver to be telling the truth and show Catra genuine kindness for once.
Was Shadow Weaver sincere with the whole "we're not so different, you and I" schtick? I mean judging by the episode it's true, but did SW actually felt this way or was that just part of her manipulation?
@@somestuff7876 I'd say it was a manipulation tactic. Shadow Weaver never showed Catra the same "love" (I'm putting quotations because what Shadow Weaver shows Adora is *not* love) as Adora because she saw no power to use. The only reason she noticed Adora as a baby and continued to take special care of her is because she sensed her power, while Catra had aboslutely none and was also able to make Adora do things as her friend that Shadow Weaver herself was never able to. It's the same reason she took a liking to Micah. She always seeks to get power in any way she can by using other people that have the power she wants, while she finds the people without access to power useless.
@@Marta-uv4id I see. I was leaning towards this read the first time around, too. It's just that when she requested that badge and used along the lines word "powerless" describing herself alarm bells rang in my head. But by the time SW was talking about them being similar - we were shown, like word for word, similar raging reactions from SW and Catra to being seen as untrustworthy. Which made me think for a second that maybe SW at least being honest about her reasons. Than expected betrayal happened and that sealed the deal on it being pure manipulation for me.
Until...
*spoilers, guys be careful*
...season 5 with "being proud" thing which is out of all her speech, in that moment, felt least bit needed in order to put Catra into motion. The rest could be read as "focus Catra and do a thing". I'm not even touching on the sacrifice itself which I read as final manipulation into being remembered more fondly at least as well as actually doing the right thing this time.
"Being proud" part just drives me nuts. And makes me question season 2 episode 6 in particularly. Of course not the character itself, the writers and their intentions.
@@somestuff7876 Spoilers
The "I'm so proud of you" moment is also a manipulation tactic. The writers confirmed this, as well as the fact that Shadow Weaver was also *drunk* for the entirety of the final battle.
@@Marta-uv4id Really?! Where can I find this info? If so than it's solved.
It's just seems completely unnecessary in manipulative motivational sense. As a lie it's seems even more like a kind gesture, ironically enough.
This one I knew and actually love the drunk part, not gonna lie)
This ep always breaks my heart. Seeing Catra so desperate for validation and her little smile after she talks to SW is so sad.
WAIT now I just realised that the reason why Shadow Weaver was making marks on her prison cell wall was because she was counting down the days until the etherian moons align, so she could conjure her spell to escape the Fright Zone
. The show is so subtle.
Shadow Weaver is such an interesting villain (terrible person, yes, but a great character nonetheless)
Agreed
Yes like my favorite character because she is unpredictable
I like her because while she has done a lot of bad things. She didn't want to be a bad person.
The reason she wanted to do the Ritual Of Obtainment isn't because she wanted to become an all powerful ruler. She saw the writing on the wall. The horde was a threat and would be a threat to the art of magic she loved. But the old people in charge refused to acknowledge the threat (not that we'd know what that can be like)
She wanted to use the ritual to give them the power to fight and defeat Hordak. The reason it didn't was because Micah bailed on her and ruined the spell leaving her damaged and disformed.
When she failed she became a threat to the sorcerer's guild. They wouldn't have let her back in as shown by them going straight for the kill. She was more or less just defending herself. So because the Sorcerer's Guild and by extension the good guys wouldn't let her join them, she joined the Horde rather than be a side character.
As we see in later episodes when there's a threat she joins to fight against it. She's on the side on whoever lets her research magic. It's her one true pride and something she wants to be acknowledged for.
If Hordak hadn't started an invasion or the old men saw the threat for what it was, by now in the canon we would most likely see a less disfigured Shadoweaver teaching a young Glimmer the basics of magic.
@@GamerGrovyle Eh. I mean you could clearly see the signs of her thirst for power and her penchant for manipulation in her relationship with Micah. Also she used his devotion to her to make him help her with this spell she knew was dangerous, knowingly endangering him.
I mean, Norwyn and the Sorcerers' Guild were clearly very passive and burying their heads in the sand, and then tried to kill her, but that doesn't justify her turning to the Horde, which is the opposite of her stated purpose with the Spell of Obtainment. Not to mention her abuse of Adora and Catra.
I like Shadow Weaver's character but there's no redeeming her. Her backstory explains some things but doesn't justify her awful personality, which is a relief. Sometimes even a complex villain with a backstory can just be evil. There's no need to redeem everyone you give a bit of explanation for.
@@samrevlej9331 I see her as a neutral character
Anyone else noticed how Catra was looking at Entrapta and Hordak in resentment? Because, once again, the parental figure she's been trying to get validation from, is mistreating her badly while he has a favorite. She's seeing the Adora/Catra/Shadow Weaver dynamic in the Entrapta/Catra/Hordak dynamic.
absolutely. it's like history is repeating itself for her. the season 3 pre-finale ep where she...*zaaaaap*.... even mirrors the way she did that to adora, but with a completely different reaction from catra - horror at herself, and doubling down to "get rid of the problem" so she doesnt have to process her actions.
the dynamic between catra and shadow weaver is one of the most interesting dynamics i’ve ever seen
Ever heard of Griffith & Guts - 'Berserk' ?
“YoU canT mAniPulAte eVEryoNe yOU mEEt!” Shadow’ Weaver be like: excuse I think you miscalculated sir-
Man, when you realize that Shadow Weavers kindness towards Catra was just an act so she could escape, that is probably the coldest moment in the entire show. It's also painful to see that Catra actually wants to keep her around no matter how abusive she was towards her. As much as they may hate them, some abused children still hang on to their parents/parent-figures. It's sickening and twisted, but very real. Kudos for adding those complex themes in what just seems to be a fun fantasy series to some people.
I think Shadow Weaver was actually being genuine when she told Catra why she was so cruel to her. Shadow Weaver's smart enough to know that it's far more efficient to manipulate people with the truth than with a lie. If you think about it, I don't think she told a single lie in this entire episode. She simply didn't reveal the whole truth because she's better at planning ahead than Catra.
Yeah, I don’t think she lied, but she used information to her benefit. Very cold, yet I can’t help but be fascinated with her character
Yeah I don't think Shadow Weaver is that mad of a genius. It would be giving her too much credit. This just seems like a deeply complex turn to the "dark side". Very sad for everyone involved. And it shows the beginnings of an evil person. She still had a chance to be good but chose the Hoard instead.
@@tomnorton4277 The words were true, the intention was a lie.
I don't think she ever lied and that she did love Catra in her own way. She just knew that either she tricks Catra and escapes or she's sent off to Beast Island. Which, spoiler, might not have turned out too bad? It would've made for an interesting dynamic to be sure.
"I was a child when you took me in. What could I have possibly done to deserve the way you treated me?!" That line stings so much. So many action oriented kids shows show child characters having to spend their childhood fighting for their life, constantly in life or death situations. And to the audience it's a fun, comedic, whimsical adventure. But from the characters perspective, they're seriously going through a ton of trauma that has lasting effects on their mental states. Avatar and Steven Universe also spotlighted these lasting effects very well.
Speaking as a therapist and as an abuse survivor, I completely understand Catra wanting to keep Shadow Weaver around. Children grow up very aware (subconsciously, anyway) that they depend on their caretakers for survival. Even for an abused child, the prospect of being completely abandoned is terrifying, an existential threat, and that fear doesn't go away just because Catra was abused. Quite the opposite: the abuse has led Catra to develop an avoidant attachment style, so she really doesn't have any of the social support network we need to live as adults, making the loss of her parent even more frightening.
Keeping control of SW is also important to Catra, because as Montana has pointed out before, Catra's conception of love is deeply entangled with the idea of control.
Finally, Catra still desperately wants SW's approval and love. Losing Shadow Weaver means she will never get it. I've had clients who found themselves grieving the death of their abuser for similar reasons.
"I wonder if she gets another protégé?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm not crying bittersweet tears
Being told by your abuser that you're "just like them" is the worst experience, and just another form abuse can take. It really messes with your head-- makes you think you are bad by nature, inevitably. I feel like there are two ways to respond to this, as the abused child-- overthink every action because you think there is something wrong with you and you need to counteract it; or resign yourself to your fate as an asshole and tell yourself "I can't help doing what I do, I am not in control." It is clear to me which "path" Catra is taking, without the ability to really process what she is doing or what she has internalized because she is under constant threat, physically and mentally.
Fully breaking out of abusive guardian-child relationship is INCREDIBLY hard which really shows how easy it is to brainwash children and how permanent it can be.
i absolutely love this. it's so messed up. anyone who has had an abusive parental figure understands the complications in letting them go, especially when youve been looking to them for validation for as long as catra has for shadow weaver. catra cannot feel useful until shadow weaver acknowledges her, and her alternative source of acknowledgement - hordak - has started to see her as useless.
when they were like "thats mean" when catra said to scorpia "im not your bestie" i was like "oh they aint ready..."
I think what’s also interesting is how whole episode is about catra/shadow weaver but in the end of shadow weaver’s flashbacks we see horde finding adora, not catra. I think its suppose to show how little shadow weaver cares about catra. Even when something’s about catra she still doesn’t care and has more interest in adora and her power.
Oh oh!! Amazing catch! I'd never saw it like that before!
Yepp
Spoiler:
Even up to the final season in the later episodes. Shadow weaver was still trying to get Adora to turn her back on Catra. I’m glad I never cared for Shadow Weaver
SW sees what she hates abt herself (not magically powerful) in Catra and what she wishes she was (powerful) in Adora. But by projecting her self-hatred onto one child and her pure ambition into the other, she creates the exact qualities she sees in the children. Catra only feels like she matters when she’s powerful, and Adora only feels like she matters when she’s neglecting herself to work. Those qualities wouldn’t be there without SW though. She can say she saw them in the children but the truth is she created them.
Shadow Weaver is honestly the secret villain of the entire show
I kind of like how the creators of this channel can dislike a character but still remain objective in their observations about the characters. They understandably dislike Shadow Weaver, but they don't do what a concerning amount of shera fans do: Fail to acknowledge Hordak was mistreating her. They were the first reaction channel to acknowledge this and that makes me happy
lettsreact is definitely a reaction channel like no other
@@misterk3722 We stan
Yeah, it's one thing having a reaction channel that sees the big shock and awe scenes and focuses on them, it's another entirely to have a channel like this, where they're breaking down the psychology of the characters and why they might be acting that way, it makes for a really interesting watch.
Shadow weaver is one of the worst and best characters in the whole show
She's a great character, but a horrible person
She's my favorite character, mainly cause of her acting
Agree!
Love to hate her, like Azula.
@@johnjacoby6457 best comment!
This ep was chilling, one of the best in S2 imo. also, if you look in the background at one point you can see baby Castaspella ;-;
Where?
@@warriorcat2287 I like your profile pic
@@warriorcat2287 when Shadow Weaver is lashing out because her proposal got rejected
TELL ME WHERE
@@rainbowgoat509 Thank you. I love your name ^^
Shadow Weaver is one of the best characters in the show.
And at the same time one of the worst characters. But in a good way.
@@wyattchandler6359 exactly
And her voice actress, Lorraine Toussaint, sells her manipulation technics so well: "Oh, don't worry, little one. We're going to do great things together". SW believes that on some level.
I was so sure that she was voiced by Margo Martindale, although. I watched too much of BoJack, I guess)
The thing about Light Spinner/Shadow Weaver is that her methods never really changed, just her environment. What she could get away with, what could be seen as normal, where she was in her life, and how much power she had all changed, but not her methods. She praised Micah and put down Castaspella to influence them both towards her own goals. If anything, I find it interesting that her methods got more extreme when she lost her standing in Mystacor since oftentimes, abusers abuse others out of fear of their own perceived weaknesses or lack of power. Technically speaking, Shadow Weaver got more power once she finished the ritual, but she never really saw it as a gain and more of a loss, which made her more desperate to regain power and influence again, causing her tactics to get more violent and toxic and pointed. She was always capable of it, but she never needed to utilize them because she had the power in Mystacor to not really have to use them.
i love this episode because it sets a complicated character for shadow weaver. she's not exactly a pure evil being who has never had a heart, but her particular brand of power hungry malice is just so.... human. she is cruel in extremely human ways, taking advantage of the children around her while also in some incredibly fucked up way caring about them.
her relationship to micah and adora, versus how she sees catra, well, she groomed all of them but in such different ways.
it's so sad seeing catra get desperate to keep shadow weaver around. and SW realises she has her around her little finger, manipulating her into getting the magic.
but that doesn't mean that what she told her was a lie. i truly believe shadow weaver was being honest when she told catra she reminded her of herself, and that's why she was so hard on her.
Scorpia watching Catra tear herself apart, unable to understand her attachment, and then Catra's despair... it's so sad.
i dont particularly ship entrapdak but y'all should know that entrapta is one of the oldest princesses, she's like 29
While yes, Shadow Weaver is absolutely terrible with how she treated Catra, it is possible that, while she was flashing back about Micah, she opened herself up just a bit to Catra in their final meeting. She didn't know the badge was in the food yet, so while mostly it was a ploy against Catra, there might have been the smallest bit of genuine sincerity...
... And then she sees the badge and thinks, "Screw family, I'm out!"
I wonder if the transformation actually altered Shadow Weaver at all other than physically. Every behavior that makes Shadow weaver a terrible person was present when she was Lightspinner, so did the transformation alter her to bring those traits more to the surface or did she just stop holding back and being with the Horde gave her the chance to really let loose her cruelty and selfishness?
And we see here that scorpia was fed Horde propaganda regarding her family's history with the Horde. They weren't friendly. they were conquered. Which likely also means the story about the other princesses rejecting them was also lies to keep her loyal to the Horde.
Even in prison, Shadow Weaver was the worst.
“I wonder if she ever gets another person to put her claws on them”
… 👀👀👀
6:15 …. Yep we are definitely messsed up….
10:30 No if Shadow Weaver dies the possibility of her accepting Catra goes away forever.
Great reaction, as always! Thanks!
The VA cast is stellar from top to bottom, but we should talk more about Lorraine Toussaint's VA work as Shadoweaver. Her work in this show is nothing short of masterful.
I don't know why but I really love this episode
Shadow Weaver is superb character. We love to hate her, I guess)
@@somestuff7876 All fandom hate her but not me. Actually I really love her character design and voice especially. I don't like her as person and for what she done to Catra and Adora but still don't hate.
Micha's a gem
@@pryaneg4217 same. Her voice is freaking amazing.
They way she pronounce "either" and "daisies" *chefs kiss*
She makes one hell of a spiteful wine loving gardener;) Like I hate her as person, but it's fun to observe her as a character.
@@somestuff7876 You get it my friend
They say they don't support Entrapdak now, but they'll change their minds next season
6:16 they read the comments...THEY READ THE COMMENTS, GUYS, EVERYBODY SHUT UP ABOUT SPOILERS
I’m not gonna lie, Child Micah is adorable
I wouldn’t knock entrapta/Hordack until you have the full picture.
That scream from Catra in this episode is as painful as the one from The Sword Part 2 when she's grieving Adora not coming back.
ShadowWeaver treats Catra so badly because Catra reminds her of herself.
Also, keep and open mind about Entraptdak,it gets good lol
I love a good backstory
First of all, Entrapta is not teeneger, she is 30 confirmed, so... Anymore than that, i see no problem with the ship, i get to shipping them too with time, and believe me, you will 😉🤭
It's gonna be so funny if they end up shipping them later. It's one of those ships like varrick and zhu lu that don't make sence at first but by the end you're like ohhhhh
30?? i thought she's only around 20 LOL
@@takasakisaito1210nope. The princesses all get into their 20s later on as most are 17-19 but Entrapta is one of the if not the oldest princess. Also Hordak is physically 40 so even the other age issue isn't a concern because he is both physically & mentally 40. There's no pedo ship happening but because Entrapta is so autistic coded & the other princesses are in their teens Entrapta is constantly mistaken as a child & it's annoying because it's the only Canon ship I like
"I don't like Entrapdak"
Don't worry, you will
Shhhhhh
You got issues and I love it
nah
idk i think if they still find the dynamic weird theyre going to later
Or you could let people have an opinion
Shadow weaver is an amazing villain but the way she just.. is ughhh
18:50 It's worth noting that while Catra isn't exactly getting the fairest deal it's far from "she's got nothing". She's actually making the same mistake Shadoweaver did, not being satisfied and working with what she has and pursuing the next level to the exclusion of all else. She's still a top ranking force captain and has Scorpia on her side, not to mention a fair amount of influence over Entrapta. There would be a LOT she could do with that and we all know Catra's manipulative and clever enough to do it. There are plenty of reasonable reasons why she doesn't, but she still has plenty of power and plenty of actually sensible ways to gain more power.
Good points. Some of us do have tunnel vision where Catra is concerned. We a bit too much on her side, to be more objective. I mean I was nodding along with his arguments, honestly.
Yeah, she could do better with what she has at this point in the storyline for sure.
That's not what he meant. Catra has power at this point in the story, sure, but she has no one in an emotional sense - as in, there's no one emotionally close to her, platonically or otherwise. There's Scorpia, sure, but even her kindness doesn't change the fact that her relationship with Catra is exceptionally self-serving, and she regularly ignores Catra's needs for emotional space and her boundaries, and projects a level of emotional connection that takes years to form. It's not an unsalvageable friendship, but neither of its participants are healthy about it.
Catra, emotionally, has got nothing.
Catra is literally watching history repeat itself: the adult figure she wants validation from mistreating her because that adult has now a favorite (Entrapta). Plus she is still a teenager.
Shadoweaver is her mother figure. Despite the abuse she’s put her through, Catra does have an attachment to her. Loving your abuser isn’t really unusual. It’s quite common, actually, and why they have so much control over their victims. Catra is against sending her to beast island because she doesn’t want her dead. She wants her to recognize her as not worthless, as something, not nothing. And she wants that so desperately that Shadoweaver becomes her new lifeline, which gets severed when she manipulates Catra to escape.
messed up with entrapdak? wait for season 5
I get why at this point they don’t particularly appreciate entrapdak. Hordak is a horrible person, I mean when you start an evil empire you’re not exactly a good guy. But their relationship actually made me feel sad for Hordak when he thought Entrapta had betrayed him. Plus, you have to admit that their relationship is cute despite all of that.
@@NiamhJP03 they are soso good actually and their arc and relationship literally saved Hordak. All that said, that is mostly shown s4 and 5. Its a huge spoiler. I am surprised though that they were like “no you guys are messed up” rather than thinking of it as a spoiler lmao
omg this is my favourite episode of the season, can't wait to see your reaction!
Canon couple spoiler aka don’t read it if you don’t want to know:
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It is canon Entrapta and Hordak are a couple. As well as Scorpia and Perfuma
Why would you spoil things jshsjs pls delete this comment
@@aleksandra4428 hey I’ve seen others do this it’s why there are dots and read more. Don’t want to read it move on
@@amelianagle1030 it literally wasnt here when i wrote that comment, you edited it (thanks for that btw)
@@aleksandra4428 it actually was. Maybe just pay attention when something says spoiler
@@amelianagle1030 why would you even fight with me about it lmao
i wouldn't even be mad cause you corrected yourself if you didn't lie to me
No matter how many times I see it I always act like catra and fall under shadow weavers spell. I truly believe shadow weaver has care for catra but she cares for herself more
A lot happens between this episode and Entrapdak 😂 oh boy does a LOT happen...
i love Montanas hoodie
in conclusion, screw shadow weaver
fun fact it was actually shadow weavers birthday the day before this video premieres
Shadow Weaver sees herself in Catra, and sees Micah in Adora
Catra broke my heart multiple times during this series, buckle up guys. Poor baby, the only mother figure she had was shadow Weaver, and as much as she hated her, she wanted to be approved by her, make her proud somehow, like "look at me, I was always capable of achieving greatness, please acknowledge me", but she was always tossed aside.
this is one of my favorite episodes cause i just LOVE how the mages work in here, the coreografy, the sparkle UGHHHHHHHHHHH and MICAH WITH SHADOWEAVER??? LIKE WOW
“Y’all are messed up” well those comments are spoilers bc you haven’t been through that journey yet😭 but y’all will learn to if not love, appreciate entrampta and hordak LMAO
The time will come soon don’t spoil it
I think they are concerned probably thinking that entrapta is a teenager while shes actually in her 30s
@@anonymousthoughts1690 more like 25 to 28
not necessarily gonna love entrapdak just because you see the whole show
Entrapta and Hordak are my favorite pairing in She-Ra, I bet you'll change your mind when you see more. Lol
no
Entrapta x Hordak is like my fave ship!
I was especially excited for the analysis of this episode, so much exposition and trauma to unpack
I am SO EXCITED for the s3 finale. also the s2 one but s3 has my absolute favorite aside from 1 part of the series finale. I think you guys are gonna love it if you haven't already seen it!!
Do you think shadow weaver always wanted to be a teacher or do you think there's a etheria guidance counselor who told her she'll be good at that career path? If so should that person be fired?
This episode hurt so much I cried :'>
The way catra still sees shadow weaver as her mom is sad f
Entrapta is 29 years old
The reason for Catra keeping Shadow weaver, it was just because Shadow weaver is her mother, I mean she raised Catra since baby, she is basically her mother, and even when your mother is an awful person, it's still your mother.
Also did you know that Entrapta is actually 31 confirmed by Noelle
......noelle did not confirm that
in fact idek where that specific age comes from 😂
a character designer, once, suggested mid to late 20s, and that's that - nobody else said anything more specific
Ok I looked it up and I saw that she was at her late 20s then 30s and to be more specific it’s said that she was 28 to 30 and the Noelle part is because someone said that Noelle confirmed it so ya
"we dont allow that"
Who's gonna tell them?
wait until you meet the real hodark, he and entrapta are the definition of grumpy x sunshine
Hordak is an abuser
I have a show suggestion for you guys! Arcane! It's got an amazing story, it feels like all characters are very fleshed out and It has some of the best depictions of mental health/illness i've ever seen. I'd love to see a psychology major have a go at it.
Yessss. I’ve seen loads of comments saying this but it prob won’t happen
Such a good episode, I've always loved this
She-Ra and the Princesses That Need Therapy
I think it's possible Shadoweaver has some degree of affection for her victims.
I think it's important for people to realize that any actual affection doesn't actually matter; part of the power of manipulation is thinking that any real affection or good feelings mean someone will DO good things for you. And that's... dangerously untrue.
I love how Catra using SW's manupilations in her fights. If you watch season 1 ending again you can see she is talking (manupilating) Adora while she fights. And she will do the same thing in s4 finali. She's not only fighting with her muscles also with her brain.
17:04 I don’t think she was being entirely evil in this scene
Shadow Weaver, like Catra is the product of someone who had to fight for what they had and no one even acknowledged it, she was right that the Grandmaster was a fool wanting to just stand back and let the Horde trample Etheria, Light Spinner wasn't completely right but she wasn't wrong either, the spell only magnified the darkness already lurking inside her that everyone has, she may have been a little power hungry but the spell only made that a prominent feature of her personality drowning out all bits of light in her soul and leaving and only a Weaver of the Shadow of her former self, but despite all that parts of her still remained, her sparing Micah was one, and though her interest in Adora started from her power, I believe she genuinely cared for her but the darkness that engulfs her being makes it a sick and twisted love just as her treatment of Catra was just her trying to prepare her for the world but her corrupted heart couldn't produce any of the affection that Catra needed, I'm not defending Shadow Weaver, I'm just saying what I think, she is a terrible person but she wasn't always and isn't completely rotten, she still has a small spark that we've all seen...
Future hints to those who know what I'm talking about
and (one day that spark will ignite into a mighty flame)
So close to the finale of the season!! Great reaction I can't wait to see your next episode reaction
Can't wait for season 4 reactions.
same, my personal favorite season
I really enjoy you two. Especially the thoughtful breakdowns at the end of each episode.
I don’t know if you’ve had anyone recommend Arcane on Netflix. I think it’s a series you’ll not only enjoy, but have a lot of material to analyse after each episode.
Have a blessed one. ✨☀️✨
Shadow Weaver is such a well written character and such a good villain. She's evil and manipulative and practically the whole fandom hates her because of who she is. Which is exactly how a true villain should be written. I hate Shadow Weaver but I do love her character as it's written. They left no room for pity when it came to her.
Also i should mention, Entrapta is in her mid 30's! She's the oldest Princess. That's why people ship her with Hordak, they are both adults.
i fucking love shadow weaver
i think shes a very complicated character, shes power hungry but like.... god... how do i word it..... a part of her truly believes that she is helping the good guys and is somehow justified in what shes doing, while another part recognises herself for the irredeemable monster that she is, and both of these together make shadow weaver feel validated and guilt free in her actions. like she believes she cannot be anything else, she can only be this evil manipulator, and tells herself that shes a good guy for "helping" people like glimmer.
also entraptas not in her mid 30s. shes in her mid 20s. maybe late 20s by season 5. doesnt matter but i hate when people are inaccurate
@@tipsy634 I see your point of view, and i can understand it. I always perceived that Shadow Weaver never thought she was doing good for others but for herself, which is why she was so easily able to flip sides because in her mind it doesn't matter what side she's on as long as she has some sort of control. (Not saying I'm right by any means, just sharing how I thought of it! I love your interpretation of her!)
Regardless her writing was amazingly done and it serves it's purpose in the show and makes her a memorable character regardless of if someone hates her or loves her. It's brilliant really.
Also thank you for the correction, I'm not sure why I thought mid thirties but i did look it up and she's indeed in her late twenties. I appreciate the correction!
I know it's been a year since the reaction, but I noticed how no one mentioned the fact that entrapta was sitting in hordaks chair with him.
Am I hearing things or the music passage from when shadow weaver realises micah's power sounds a bit like the imperial march from sw?
Pls tell I'm not crazy
People better not be comparing Catra, a minor, to old woman Shadow Weaver
but catra and shadow weaver do have parallels. theyre not saying she should get punished the same way or was as bad, but the characters do have parallels! and shadow weaver has basically been forging catra into someone like herself, so of course they do.
look at how catra manipulates people at key points in the show. scorpia and entrapta in season 1, when she (not THAT insidiously) plays on their insecurities to make them cooperate with her. it's comical watching catra try to be like shadow weaver before she's good at it. but then how she gets more controlling later, and how in season 3 and 4 shes truly acting like hot garbage, bullying or manipulating everyone she comes across to fill some void, just like Shadow Weaver. even her positive interactions with Scorpia in the Waste have some degree of power tripping rather than true equality, though by the end of the mission Scorpia came very close to making her change her mind. but the shadow weaver baggage ran too deep.
catra's still very young, and has a good heart, unlike shadow weaver, but the parallels are there and very deliberate.
@@tipsy634 I agree with you! I'm just saying that people due to those similarities that showcase the cycle of abuse (and even Catra calls herself the new SW, though meaning second in command) the judgement should be widely different given the context
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She-Ra Original Series Reference Counter 1
She-Ra=Wonder Woman Counter 1
Shook Counter 7
Spooky Counter 6
Swiftwind Love Counter 2
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Yeeesssss. Catra's descent into madness goes deeper.
That one dislike is Shadoweaver
Entrapdak isn't p*dophilic! Entrapta is much older than the other princesses, shes around 30
Shadoweaver was right that needed to find some kind of way to either weaken the enemy or strengthen themselves, even though maybe not with a corrupted magical power! Also I never saw them trying INVESTIGATE for the enemy's motives to be on the planet and NEGOTIATE with them - WHICH, by the way is SUPPOSED to be the FIRST STEP! Eagerness and curiousity for knowledge, skills, progress and power is something amazing,as long as you are not using other people to achieve it and you are not using it for being evil to people, also you are having control of your goals and why do you want what you want and is it for greater good and necessary change 🤔! For the smart person she was, she didn't take into account the risks, if can't control the power ( because it is evil and you don't have the power to clean it or it is too much) it controls you , everybody know that!And still I felt bad because she had good intentions, the saddest part is when bad things happen no matter the person's good intentions, because of their mistakes!
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24:08 season 4 :(
You guys don't like Entrapdak? Just you wait . . .
This early into the game I totally get not being a fan of them. It will be interesting to see how they'll react after Season 3 Episode 2 ^^
some people don't ship it, stop trying to force it
This is where I fell deeper in love with carts and absolutely wanted to kill shadow weaver for playing with her emotions. She thought she was finally getting approval from one of the people who she was seeking for it from. Honestly one of the most important parent figure in her life
And the fact that if Shadow Weaver gently manipulating Catra did not end in her leaving, Catra may have developed some sense of closure over the way she was treated which could have led to a slightly better outcome, even Shadoe Weaver wasn’t genuine.
@@krystaloftheshores everything would’ve been way different if either adora or shadow weaver came back for her. She wanted to be chosen that’s all
You are wrong. Entrapta and Hordak are the best pair. They’re perfect and have my whole heart.
Let them figure out for themselves. I bet no one liked them together before Season 3. So please, delete this comment. It'd be sad if we ruined the surprise. :/
@@adrianwagner8202 nah. They were my favorite characters from pretty much minute one. My comment reveals no spoilers and contains no plot information. Purely states my opinion about my favorite set of characters.
nah
She is 30 years old
YES I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE