@@reneeeve I am 23 & Dramageddon was crazy as a 18 year old. Can’t imagine what it was like trying to comprehend this nonsense for a 13 y/o. 💀💀Welcome to adulthood 🥳
Tati ruined her credibility by backtracking on what she said about James, and because of that James got away with it. Now, she’s begging for money on TikTok like everyone else.
@@yallneedhealing111let's get one thing clear, babe: the ENTIRE internet was dragging Tati after she recanted! I was annoyed, YES, but I was not one of those people because I was doing my own thing, in MY life! so STOP it 🙄
I'll never forget how the internet was in shaaaaaambles during the Bye Sister era. My God, everybody was shook, speechless and emotionally gutted for weeks!
let me give ppl something ELSE to think about.. 💁🏼♀ there's an old saying that goes "u are the company that u keep".. well.. who's preferred by ppl like Colleen Ballenger, James Charles, Abbey Lee, & Shane Dawson?? (i bout BET that Jo-Jo Siwa's gonna b the next 1, caught in an "age-gap") if all her friends would rather b with somebody who's STILL in SCHOOL, & she wants her own studio FULL of CHILDREN, what's that sound like to U GUYS?? (i think Jo-Jo's probably NEXT!!) if all her closest friends are creeps & weirdos, chances are, she might b 1 too..
She actually befriended him before his covergirl magazine so they were friends when she was in her 30s and he was 16. So creepy. He is a predator and she is a groomer.
You said it. She didn't ask, just expected. I'm not defending her, she's waaay to old and mature to be a part of this. I'm more disappointed that she didn't say anything about the shitty things he did to people until she was personally hurt by him.
When they first started hanging out, Tati was the bigger creator. She went out of her way to promote James and his brand when he didn’t do the same for her once he got the bigger following. It’s so easy to say Tati was using James, but James was for sure using Tati. It sucks how it all went down because she backtracked on too much (that was proven to be right in the future) so I just wish she would’ve stuck to her guns because this could’ve ended differently for her if she didn’t give up. I do think none of this was handled correctly. But, as a former James fan and supporter during this, I will admit I was wrong and should’ve listened more to Tati. Although, she should’ve been an adult and handled this outside of social media but it’s too late for that😂
I was a sophomore in high school when this came out. I am just now entering my last year of university. I remember almost all my math class was talking about this. It's hard to believe it has been five years.
Why did she mention that she paid for JC's plane tickets and hotel? If you did that with pure heart and intentions, you wouldn’t bring it up after the friendship is over. Like OMG, I did soo soo soo much for him. I am so much BETTER THAN HIM, CAN’T YOU SEE? 😂
Also it’s just always a weird thing when ppl expect you to be able to travel far for their wedding w/o paying for it themselves imo - even more so when the invited person is a teen???
I wouldn't take the whole -Trish thinking people copy her- thing to heart. she's CONVINCED that Kim K copies her, and it's kind of a inside joke on her podcast that people copy her. Most of the time I think she's just saying it for a laugh
I def think most of the things she says are jokes, i take nothing she says seriously. Also I kinda get that, I used to do that with my friends. Like if my friend wore red and then some famous lady wore red we would say "Omg they are coping you what..." And so on yk? Its just kinda silly :)
@LifeIsRootedInLove I think there's a massive potential for a lot of it being jokes, but I don't think she would act and say a lot of the things she says if it weren’t for her extreme narcissism. She thinks everyone wants to be on her podcast. The last one I watched when she announced the pregnancy. I just haven't had time recently. I also think she's definitely mellowed out. She's not trying to be the center of attention and drama and that is serving her mental health pretty well
@@ghostophelia2245this is not at all how it comes across on her podcast. The whole “this person is copying me” is a JOKE. She’s done it to Adam, she’s done it to Kim Kardashian, she’s done it to literal fictional characters and everytime she clarified that she’s not serious, she just finds the coincidences funny. I’m not sure where you’ve gotten this impression that Trish genuinely believes everyone in the world copies her. Very odd. I’m not sure you’ve actually ever watched her podcast
@@ghostophelia2245I also don’t know where you get the idea that “she thinks everyone wants to be on her podcast” when she’s constantly talking about how shocked she is that anyone wants to come on her podcast and how she has a hard time reaching out to guests bc she assumes they want nothing to do with her. It feels like your impression of Trish is the exact opposite of what she says and how she acts. I’m very confused where you’ve gotten this impression of her
I have a literal flashbulb memory of when this video went live, the Shane Dawson ig live, all of it. I was working at a flower shop that Summer and got a UA-cam notification on my Fitbit. Immediately went on my break and watched the first little bit, then I suddenly got an ig notification of Shane going live, clicked in RIGHT when it started 😭😭 I'll never forget watching this all happen on my lunch break and having NO ONE to talk to about it. Craziest day, it'll stick with me forever
Got ghosted by my man of 2 years and need constant distraction, I just woke up which is the worst & APPRECIATE being able to dive into this instead of being in my head ❤️
It’s giving colleen trying to take you down as a teenager 💀💀 a child let you down. You put unrealistic expectations on a teenager. Now you wanna tear him apart publicly because you got your own feelings hurt🤦🏼♀️ verdict: everyone sucks here
@@ScorpionFlower95Not one of her accusations was true. I want you all to stop trying to excuse what she did at almost 40 to a 19 year old child because of what happened later. She was 100% wrong
what irks me is that while tati was right about james she never mentioned anything until james did the gummy bears ad if she knew they were serious accusations why did she wait until it was beneficial for her
It was probably the straw that broke her. Her and her husband gave him so much free advice and helped him. She saw the predator start to emerge and was probably was ready to break.
Meanwhile 5 years later we know that behind the scenes her vitamin company was a damn mess. And a lawsuit revealed she was taking undisclosed sponsorships. 🙄
my take: adults over their 20s that are mentoring young people (17-20s) should keep it professional , business etiquette BECAUSE of the power dynamics, groomer dangers which becomes a risk when the younger person has emotional obligations to the older. keep intimate emotions out of it (like love, “mom”, etc) if they are that much younger
Precisely. It's clear that the boundaries between them were way too blurry and there was too much emotional investment (especially on Tati's end) for their dynamic to work as a healthy mentorship.
what made this particular drama more interesting was how everyone went along with one narrative after the other because it adds up to what people have said behind the scenes about tati james shane and jeffree. it was overall an unwinnable situation on all parties.
Agreed, I remember being on Tati’s side after this video and then turning to James’ side after his video. Now I’m on neither of their sides now I’m older and have a more mature outlook on this drama
Imagine going camping after watching it. You’d have people getting shitfaced and the sober people be making a fry up for everyone the next morning to help with hangovers
i don’t think their relationship was necessarily transactional, but it was very one sided. not defending either of them, but tati put a lot of her time a resources into her friendship with james and helped him with business stuff as well (presumably) without pay, which is fine, but i can see why the gummy bears were kinda a last straw for her bc he didn’t post her or outwardly support her and her business 🤷🏻 bc when you put your all into a relationship and the other person doesn’t it gets really draining and you reach a point where something small sets you off bc they couldn’t even do x when you’ve done x y z for them. kinda crazy that that was the last straw to expose him for being gross but it is what it is🫠
"bc when you put your all into a relationship and the other person doesn’t it gets really draining" True, but the nature of mentorship necessitates the mentor putting more into the mentee than the reverse. It'd be like a teacher getting angry at their students for not giving them as much in return. Plus, if she was really doing everything out of the goodness of her heart and a desire to mentor then she really shouldn't've thrown it all back in his face *and* done so publicly, at that. That said, I'd agree with her that he's disloyal and (more importantly) a major creep, so there's limits to how bad for him I can feel.
I really hate this narrative that she was right all along because literally none of her complaints mention underaged boys. And based on her own remarks within the video, she definitely was spurred on by the fact that he was sponsored by a rival vitaman company.
what tati got upset about was that when she was the bigger creator she constantly uplifted, promoted and supported him as a creator… when james was the bigger creator he barely even mentioned her lol…all of this mess was just to try to make people get on her train that she is a great, trusting supportive friend and james is not. So dramatic for nothing.
It just baffles me that a grown ass woman is behaving like a high school teenager that throws a tantrum because her friend group is gushing about someone else for the time being. Like, this is probably why she was good friends with a teenager, cause she’s still an immature little girl herself. None of this would’ve been blown out of proportion if she had just done the mature thing and cut ties with James. That’s what a mature adult does, and you would think someone that’s been in business for years would know this already. But it’s like social media highjacks the brains of these otherwise stable people and makes them do the stupidest f*cking thing imaginable because they can’t resist the high that online validation gives them.
@@theoutsiderjess1869 not at all, b4 the pandemic everyone was so insecure, hateful, envious, etc. After the pandemic, everyone turned into better ppl or at least nicer. They all worked on themselves
I was such a loyal Tati fan for several years when this happened... We never got the old Tati back :( so iconic yet such a huge comfort got taken away from me
You know what... i never connected the dots that it was super creepy how she described him. 17 and wide eyed, even her husband found it kind of creepy. Colleen who?
At the end of the video I was like "Oh my god, she is so hurt" and then I've remembered that it's because of some gummy bears and it's so fucking hilarious. Also her posing at the end made me laugh hysterically
The one thing i remember the most abt this is that pewdiepie reacted to this drama and he saw through tati back then, he saw everything we're seeing now right when the video dropped
Seeing this with not a ton of context, all this says to me is shes actually more pissed that he made a business deal (apparently worth a LOT of money) without direct supervision from her or her husband.
im 2 weeks younger than james charles. when this came out i was 19, half a year into severe drug addiction and this all going down was CRAZY for my already messed up psyche hahaha thank god im now 4 yrs clean coz i love my life and youtube even with all of its insanity 💗🤓🤙🏻
When i was 19/20 i also used to compare myself to celebrities in the same age and how they were doing and now being older and seeing how most of them spiraled downhill has made me more grateful to be doing well and realize that money and fame is not everything
I can also see why Tati would be upset with James for backing out. He basically didn’t let her have a back up plan and then ditched so she had to scramble to find a replacement. Note: Didn’t follow this very closely but regardless of the situation I don’t think anyone involved in this situation was innocent.
I remember watching every single video and coverage of this circus display despite never caring about make-up and still not understanding wth was going on.
James Charles was an investment to her (socially and financially) - when she realized she didnt have his 100% loyalty she freaked out and completely blew it all up. I get where she was coming from because that does suck in theory, but to then say that relationship was not at all transactional is just.. laughable.
sheesh 5 years😭 it’s crazy bc i remember the day this came out, i didn’t really like james from the get go bc he just annoyed me (nothing else) but i LOVED tati (still watch her to this day) and this hurt my feelings so bad bro. crazy how (in my opinion) tati was right about james the whole time.
in hindsight (I was FIFTEEN holy sh!t) how was I so STAUNCHLY on Tati's side lmao 15:50 - obv EW JAMES but before all the underage boys thing, THIS was all we really had...? literally hate james but I'm obsessed with how SERIOUSLY we took this 😭😭
adam you’re so real and genuine and i love watching your videos i just feel like you really come out here every video and are fully yourself unapologetically and i love a person like you
the way she kept notice of all the things she did for him and held it over his head is so telling of why she got involved with him, im not saying she groomed him but… maybe she did? and when it didnt go how she wanted, off with his head! her mask slipped but we were all so caught up with out hatred towards james that we either didnt notice or just didnt care.. watching this back so many years later, its actually crazy to me just how many of us went along with this witch hunt
I stand by my opinion when I was 18, five years ago Nobody in that situation was good. Everyone had clown noses and shoes on. The situation was a whole damn _circus_
It’s not about being unprofessional or about some gummy bears. She supported him NON STOP only for him to promote her competitor. That’s such a slap in the face don’t act like it isn’t… she says this was line bc he was acting weird. She did voice her discomfort so? You act like you call out all the wrong things you see people do (doesn’t bc Coleen got away with a lot before anything was first said)
I get you were younger but as soon as something is uncomfortable, you know it’s wrong… but bc she was a friend it was hard to say something right? She had deep relationship with James and also found it hard to bring up bc of the feelings. You are to young to know what it’s like being a guide to a younger person you wish the best for. But having to let go because they’re growing up and doing their own thing. I raised kids that weren’t mine and it was hard when they did (bad) things you couldn’t control.. you don’t see her perspective at all.
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“And you did it at my birthday at dinner.”
Award-winning. Ground breaking. Iconic. Earth shattering.
in front of my SALAD
Sucking “dk and ck” 😂😂😂😂😂😭😂
I just had this realization in my life that I don't have a shirt with this phrase and I need one.
Timestamp ?
“And I mA🎶ade excuses for you then”
"i know you can be bought" as she sits with a set of Jeffree star lipsticks behind her. 😂😂
She was right for the wrong reasons, so it's just a no win situation with a clown cast
Infinitely quotable tho
i said "and you did it at my birthday dinner" today to my brother and he was like girl WHAT lol i love it
@@katherinerivera8061”sucking d and ck..omgg time and placeee”
Watched this with my brother and he said “THATS where that’s from???” Bc I say it so often lol
YES
5 years 💀 im a senior citizen now
Five years bro 😮😂🎉❤
LITERALLY SAME
amen😭
no fr i literally turned 18 last week like how has it been 5 YEARS that scares me
@@reneeeve I am 23 & Dramageddon was crazy as a 18 year old. Can’t imagine what it was like trying to comprehend this nonsense for a 13 y/o. 💀💀Welcome to adulthood 🥳
Can’t believe it’s been 5 since the beauty industry was changed forever
seriously, what a time to be alive.
@@androgynousandy4538😂
Real "everyone lived in harmony until the fire nation attacked" ahh moment
"And you did it at my birthday dinner." went triple platinum in my household.
Tati ruined her credibility by backtracking on what she said about James, and because of that James got away with it. Now, she’s begging for money on TikTok like everyone else.
Oh wow I didn’t even know that. Doesn’t she still have brands?
@@crystalsmith9038yes she does! she still make youtube videos too.
@@crystalsmith9038 no i think sugar bear hair closed 💀
Not sugar bear I meant her brand lmao
@@identitymonsterI don’t think so. Halo Beauty really isn’t talked about and she closed Tati Beauty.
the biggest plot twist that came out of this was Tati being proven right about James the entire time
I'm so mad she didn't stick to it the entire time tho
@@tom_j.I know! I was SO annoyed when she recanted her statements 😭
Yall stfu y’all literally dragged her and was calling her an old cry baby now yall wish she ain’t recant it … please
@@yallneedhealing111 .... would you rather us never admit we were wrong ??? like lmao what are you on about
@@yallneedhealing111let's get one thing clear, babe: the ENTIRE internet was dragging Tati after she recanted! I was annoyed, YES, but I was not one of those people because I was doing my own thing, in MY life! so STOP it 🙄
Kendrick vs drake has NOTHING on this
@SavourTheConsequence 💀
Periodt
I'll never forget how the internet was in shaaaaaambles during the Bye Sister era. My God, everybody was shook, speechless and emotionally gutted for weeks!
Tati talking about "mentoring" James is so colleencore 💀
“colleencore” IS WILD 💀🙏
let me give ppl something ELSE to think about.. 💁🏼♀ there's an old saying that goes "u are the company that u keep".. well.. who's preferred by ppl like Colleen Ballenger, James Charles, Abbey Lee, & Shane Dawson?? (i bout BET that Jo-Jo Siwa's gonna b the next 1, caught in an "age-gap") if all her friends would rather b with somebody who's STILL in SCHOOL, & she wants her own studio FULL of CHILDREN, what's that sound like to U GUYS?? (i think Jo-Jo's probably NEXT!!) if all her closest friends are creeps & weirdos, chances are, she might b 1 too..
Tati befriends a 19 year old when she’s in her thirties: 😊
Tati when her 19 year old friend acts like a immature child: 😮
Oh man so she was in her 30’s?? 😅 I am curious how old she was in this? She acts so immature
She befriended him at 17 apparently!
@@FabiolaRVelashe was 34 I think when she befriended him
She actually befriended him before his covergirl magazine so they were friends when she was in her 30s and he was 16. So creepy. He is a predator and she is a groomer.
I was not prepared for the “yes mom” 💀
NOT THE “DAD,” TOO
"I didnt ask for anything in return" proceeds to basically admit she expected things in return lol over and over and over again in the video
You said it. She didn't ask, just expected. I'm not defending her, she's waaay to old and mature to be a part of this. I'm more disappointed that she didn't say anything about the shitty things he did to people until she was personally hurt by him.
The implication lol
It’s great that you’re revisiting this. It’s crazy how different this all looks now. Tati was GROWN and she couldn’t see that she was using James
When they first started hanging out, Tati was the bigger creator. She went out of her way to promote James and his brand when he didn’t do the same for her once he got the bigger following. It’s so easy to say Tati was using James, but James was for sure using Tati.
It sucks how it all went down because she backtracked on too much (that was proven to be right in the future) so I just wish she would’ve stuck to her guns because this could’ve ended differently for her if she didn’t give up.
I do think none of this was handled correctly. But, as a former James fan and supporter during this, I will admit I was wrong and should’ve listened more to Tati. Although, she should’ve been an adult and handled this outside of social media but it’s too late for that😂
Why did I read “revisiting” as “recreating” at first… I clicked lowkey expecting a shot-for-shot remake of the “bye sister” video 😂
He should be tati for halloween XDDD thad be so funny
this would be iconic fr
I would drop everything and watch that on repeat tbh
Everyone remembers where they were when this was dropped.
NO LITERALLY
My mom had no idea who these people were but even she got to the point where she was asking me for updates. 😂😂
I was watching Jeffree’s new closet vault tour 😭 16 year old me went THROUGH it
I was at a hotel out of town for my younger brother’s college/university graduation.
I was a sophomore in high school when this came out. I am just now entering my last year of university. I remember almost all my math class was talking about this. It's hard to believe it has been five years.
Why did she mention that she paid for JC's plane tickets and hotel? If you did that with pure heart and intentions, you wouldn’t bring it up after the friendship is over. Like OMG, I did soo soo soo much for him. I am so much BETTER THAN HIM, CAN’T YOU SEE? 😂
The montage in the beginning too💀 like bestie you’re not helping yourself
Right!?
People who give things and then use them against you are sus af. Don’t trust them! 😅
Also it’s just always a weird thing when ppl expect you to be able to travel far for their wedding w/o paying for it themselves imo - even more so when the invited person is a teen???
"crying over vitamins" is still one of the funniest phrases because of how it completely missed the point, but still successfully dragged her
I wouldn't take the whole -Trish thinking people copy her- thing to heart. she's CONVINCED that Kim K copies her, and it's kind of a inside joke on her podcast that people copy her. Most of the time I think she's just saying it for a laugh
I think it also falls into her narcissism. She also thinks everyone wants to either "be her or be in her". In her mind, everyone is obsessed with her.
I def think most of the things she says are jokes, i take nothing she says seriously. Also I kinda get that, I used to do that with my friends. Like if my friend wore red and then some famous lady wore red we would say "Omg they are coping you what..." And so on yk? Its just kinda silly :)
@LifeIsRootedInLove I think there's a massive potential for a lot of it being jokes, but I don't think she would act and say a lot of the things she says if it weren’t for her extreme narcissism. She thinks everyone wants to be on her podcast. The last one I watched when she announced the pregnancy. I just haven't had time recently. I also think she's definitely mellowed out. She's not trying to be the center of attention and drama and that is serving her mental health pretty well
@@ghostophelia2245this is not at all how it comes across on her podcast. The whole “this person is copying me” is a JOKE. She’s done it to Adam, she’s done it to Kim Kardashian, she’s done it to literal fictional characters and everytime she clarified that she’s not serious, she just finds the coincidences funny. I’m not sure where you’ve gotten this impression that Trish genuinely believes everyone in the world copies her. Very odd. I’m not sure you’ve actually ever watched her podcast
@@ghostophelia2245I also don’t know where you get the idea that “she thinks everyone wants to be on her podcast” when she’s constantly talking about how shocked she is that anyone wants to come on her podcast and how she has a hard time reaching out to guests bc she assumes they want nothing to do with her. It feels like your impression of Trish is the exact opposite of what she says and how she acts. I’m very confused where you’ve gotten this impression of her
Life shifted entirely after this. Nothing has been the same since
Because of COVID babe… Not this mess.
@@WH012Vidsno this was before COVID JC was the First american with covid
@@WH012Vidsthis was in 2019, Covid definitely changed everything later but the beauty UA-cam world changed because of this
@@WH012Vidscovid shifted real life, but this shifted the internet to a point where it seems like social media as a whole had a cultural reset
@@autumnrose_tv it truly did we saw the death of a career a massive comebacm and then all party's getting destroyed
I have a literal flashbulb memory of when this video went live, the Shane Dawson ig live, all of it. I was working at a flower shop that Summer and got a UA-cam notification on my Fitbit. Immediately went on my break and watched the first little bit, then I suddenly got an ig notification of Shane going live, clicked in RIGHT when it started 😭😭 I'll never forget watching this all happen on my lunch break and having NO ONE to talk to about it. Craziest day, it'll stick with me forever
Your lip sync of the "time and place" monologue was brilliant 10/10
Got ghosted by my man of 2 years and need constant distraction, I just woke up which is the worst & APPRECIATE being able to dive into this instead of being in my head ❤️
GOOD RIDDANCE to him! You deserve better! ❤
sounds like the trash took itself out! dont let it back in!!
Stay strong ❤
You’re a queen you’ll laugh about his cowardice one day
girl it's not a man that's a boy atp
It’s giving colleen trying to take you down as a teenager 💀💀 a child let you down. You put unrealistic expectations on a teenager. Now you wanna tear him apart publicly because you got your own feelings hurt🤦🏼♀️ verdict: everyone sucks here
came here to say exactly this
But to be fair, James was indeed a creep. Her accusations are true, but she wouldn't have said anything if he hadn't collaborated with her competitors
Baby he was grown
@@ScorpionFlower95Not one of her accusations was true. I want you all to stop trying to excuse what she did at almost 40 to a 19 year old child because of what happened later. She was 100% wrong
@@killsee7383 lol, not one of her accusations was true?
49:59 Crazy how she just knows the waiter personally enough to know he's straight
Maybe her gaydar is good omg
she’s an empath
@@jennypan4055😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@jennypan4055I choked on my drink 😂😂😂
@@jennypan4055 lol how I just shrieked
This was a cultural reset.
Could u imagine having a mentor like this? Crying on ig, airing out your fights online. I think tati and james are both weird individuals
what irks me is that while tati was right about james she never mentioned anything until james did the gummy bears ad if she knew they were serious accusations why did she wait until it was beneficial for her
The beauty community is full of backstabbing snakes that look pretty
Yessss this is my opinion precisely. Makes her seem very sketchy
I was looking for a comment on this!!! It's so infuriating
It was probably the straw that broke her. Her and her husband gave him so much free advice and helped him. She saw the predator start to emerge and was probably was ready to break.
It’s wild to me that this simple gummy bear drama was SUCH a huge scandal back then… simpler times 😭
her saying “i love you still” after just talking about how she couldn’t watch her wedding video without being reminded of him 😭😭
Such a manipulator
The amount of time she spends talking about what a good person she is
I can’t believe people didn’t pick up on that right away 😂😅. That’s all she does lol
Tati is the epitome of doing the right thing for the wrong reasons
This comment deserves to be displayed in a museum next to the original bye sister video
I love the way you say "however". I find myself saying it like that now 😆 🤣
I love it too but I can't seem to master it! 😂
Highever😂😂😂 I love it too!!
hoi-ever
I have never seen a video age so much like milk and wine at the same time.
I can’t believe it’s been five years 😭
UR PFP IM DEAD
Same I still remember everyone talking about it it was the first time I have seen social media drama talked about so openly in public
Meanwhile 5 years later we know that behind the scenes her vitamin company was a damn mess. And a lawsuit revealed she was taking undisclosed sponsorships. 🙄
my take: adults over their 20s that are mentoring young people (17-20s) should keep it professional , business etiquette BECAUSE of the power dynamics, groomer dangers which becomes a risk when the younger person has emotional obligations to the older.
keep intimate emotions out of it (like love, “mom”, etc)
if they are that much younger
Precisely. It's clear that the boundaries between them were way too blurry and there was too much emotional investment (especially on Tati's end) for their dynamic to work as a healthy mentorship.
what made this particular drama more interesting was how everyone went along with one narrative after the other because it adds up to what people have said behind the scenes about tati james shane and jeffree. it was overall an unwinnable situation on all parties.
Agreed, I remember being on Tati’s side after this video and then turning to James’ side after his video. Now I’m on neither of their sides now I’m older and have a more mature outlook on this drama
6:16 no for REAL imagine rewatching this in a theatre with a bunch of people (muckers) why does that sound SO FUN
Imagine going camping after watching it. You’d have people getting shitfaced and the sober people be making a fry up for everyone the next morning to help with hangovers
i don’t think their relationship was necessarily transactional, but it was very one sided. not defending either of them, but tati put a lot of her time a resources into her friendship with james and helped him with business stuff as well (presumably) without pay, which is fine, but i can see why the gummy bears were kinda a last straw for her bc he didn’t post her or outwardly support her and her business 🤷🏻 bc when you put your all into a relationship and the other person doesn’t it gets really draining and you reach a point where something small sets you off bc they couldn’t even do x when you’ve done x y z for them. kinda crazy that that was the last straw to expose him for being gross but it is what it is🫠
still kinda weird tho when it’s a grown woman and a teenage boy
i don't like james but he did post halo many times and would bring up tati or shout her out so i don't get it😅
1000%
@@peanutbutterrr1well, i don't think their relationship was corrupted the way collene/adam fiasco was.
"bc when you put your all into a relationship and the other person doesn’t it gets really draining"
True, but the nature of mentorship necessitates the mentor putting more into the mentee than the reverse. It'd be like a teacher getting angry at their students for not giving them as much in return. Plus, if she was really doing everything out of the goodness of her heart and a desire to mentor then she really shouldn't've thrown it all back in his face *and* done so publicly, at that. That said, I'd agree with her that he's disloyal and (more importantly) a major creep, so there's limits to how bad for him I can feel.
I really hate this narrative that she was right all along because literally none of her complaints mention underaged boys. And based on her own remarks within the video, she definitely was spurred on by the fact that he was sponsored by a rival vitaman company.
I think they mean him going after straight guys.
@@ginamm7393 I guess but that's not why James got cancelled lmao
Well he was probably underage himself so , how would that be possible? 😅😂 just sayin.
I rewatch this drama as bedtime stories, it’s like a comfort movie to me
what tati got upset about was that when she was the bigger creator she constantly uplifted, promoted and supported him as a creator… when james was the bigger creator he barely even mentioned her lol…all of this mess was just to try to make people get on her train that she is a great, trusting supportive friend and james is not. So dramatic for nothing.
It just baffles me that a grown ass woman is behaving like a high school teenager that throws a tantrum because her friend group is gushing about someone else for the time being. Like, this is probably why she was good friends with a teenager, cause she’s still an immature little girl herself. None of this would’ve been blown out of proportion if she had just done the mature thing and cut ties with James. That’s what a mature adult does, and you would think someone that’s been in business for years would know this already. But it’s like social media highjacks the brains of these otherwise stable people and makes them do the stupidest f*cking thing imaginable because they can’t resist the high that online validation gives them.
@@gothicMCRgirl couldn't have said better myself 👌
It was over so damn gummy bears
It was over so damn gummy bears too
@@gothicMCRgirlthissss, I can’t help to wonder how old was she when this happened?? She acts so petty and juvenile , like just move on !! 😅
We were all so petty before the pandemic
Petty, jealous, & bitter
I think people got more petty during the pandemic
@@theoutsiderjess1869 not at all, b4 the pandemic everyone was so insecure, hateful, envious, etc.
After the pandemic, everyone turned into better ppl or at least nicer. They all worked on themselves
@@theoutsiderjess1869yeah ppl definitely got worse , just in different ways 😂
@@crystalsmith9038not really 😂 😅
"why are there pencils in this shirt?????" 😂 **Is wearing a shirt meant for golfing**
ADAM I AM 14 PAGES INTO A DRAMAGEDDON 2 SCRIPT!!! STOP READING MY MIND LMFAOO
HI MIKA
Don't be shy drop the video /lh
Crying over vitamins when things are going on in the world
Gives same energy as
Kim people are dying
This gave me THE BEST content sitting up all night with a newborn cluster feeding. My son had his 5th birthday party yesterday.
The way she talks about him really does make me uncomfortable
same, like he should be owing everything to her.....very very possessive of him too
“It’s from Dior it’s really good” in the middle of her speech killed me
A 1h video while I'm fighting to stay awake and work? Bless you Adam 😭🙏
I was such a loyal Tati fan for several years when this happened... We never got the old Tati back :( so iconic yet such a huge comfort got taken away from me
I’m cackling. This video is what I needed today. “Isn’t she literally Jesus?” 😂😂😂
You know what... i never connected the dots that it was super creepy how she described him. 17 and wide eyed, even her husband found it kind of creepy. Colleen who?
Adam's lip syncing being so on point has me in stitches
Trisha also thinks Kim Kardashian is copying her. If anything, it's a compliment lmao
At the end of the video I was like "Oh my god, she is so hurt" and then I've remembered that it's because of some gummy bears and it's so fucking hilarious. Also her posing at the end made me laugh hysterically
my toxic trait is believing that tati was fully justified in posting this petty video over gummy bear drama 🤭
watching this now with a more developed brain is like watching the season finale of love island
The one thing i remember the most abt this is that pewdiepie reacted to this drama and he saw through tati back then, he saw everything we're seeing now right when the video dropped
growth is realising all these people sucked 😭
Seeing this with not a ton of context, all this says to me is shes actually more pissed that he made a business deal (apparently worth a LOT of money) without direct supervision from her or her husband.
I am in denial that "Bye Sister" was five years ago and not last week😭😭
Fr it feels like two years ago
I think a better way to see it is pre-covid and post-covid kinda like BC times lol
@@chikensaregood9500 How would we abbreviate it? We can’t do things like PC because it would be the same. We could do PR-C and PS-C
im 2 weeks younger than james charles. when this came out i was 19, half a year into severe drug addiction and this all going down was CRAZY for my already messed up psyche hahaha thank god im now 4 yrs clean coz i love my life and youtube even with all of its insanity 💗🤓🤙🏻
That's amazing. Congrats and keep up the hard work! 😊
When i was 19/20 i also used to compare myself to celebrities in the same age and how they were doing and now being older and seeing how most of them spiraled downhill has made me more grateful to be doing well and realize that money and fame is not everything
The only tutorial I ever wanted from her was this look. She should have done a get ready with me for this.
I’m positive that this video is what introduced me to drama channels in the first place. Here I am. Thanks a lot 😂
I can also see why Tati would be upset with James for backing out. He basically didn’t let her have a back up plan and then ditched so she had to scramble to find a replacement. Note: Didn’t follow this very closely but regardless of the situation I don’t think anyone involved in this situation was innocent.
thoughts and prayers for your voice, cannot believe it is 5 years. Happy Anniversary Sisters!!! Feels like a lifetime
Omg heyyy we’re watching at the same time lol
"why are their pencils in my shirt"
*shirt is a golf shirt with a golfball and a golfer on it*
babes....
49:22 I love how Adam is able to quote this word for word. ✨Iconic✨
I remember watching every single video and coverage of this circus display despite never caring about make-up and still not understanding wth was going on.
James Charles was an investment to her (socially and financially) - when she realized she didnt have his 100% loyalty she freaked out and completely blew it all up. I get where she was coming from because that does suck in theory, but to then say that relationship was not at all transactional is just.. laughable.
I literally forgot that this was about vitamins and coachella tickets
sheesh 5 years😭 it’s crazy bc i remember the day this came out, i didn’t really like james from the get go bc he just annoyed me (nothing else) but i LOVED tati (still watch her to this day) and this hurt my feelings so bad bro. crazy how (in my opinion) tati was right about james the whole time.
Okay but you can’t say she’s not in the wrong or at least scummy either
@@CChrissssssy oh no i agree she’s SUPER scummy for what she did and how she did it, i just think that she knew more than she spoke about
tbh looking back, nobody wins in this situation even though Tati was proven correct
in hindsight (I was FIFTEEN holy sh!t) how was I so STAUNCHLY on Tati's side lmao 15:50 - obv EW JAMES but before all the underage boys thing, THIS was all we really had...? literally hate james but I'm obsessed with how SERIOUSLY we took this 😭😭
it's almost like as a woman in her mid 30's just MAYBE she wasn't compatible with a 17 yr old 💀
adam you’re so real and genuine and i love watching your videos i just feel
like you really come out here every video and are fully yourself unapologetically and i love a person like you
Not you saying "new york" with a new york accent 🤣
He's a changed man
34:10 your impression of her sent me through the ceiling 🤣
The "why are there fucking pencils on my shirt" made me laugh SO HARD lmaoooo I didn't see them there but I agree keep them its giving !!
My favorite and very real drama channel !! You are doing great been a fan for either a year now or almost and wow I do not regret it at all 💜💜💜💜💜💜
the way she kept notice of all the things she did for him and held it over his head is so telling of why she got involved with him, im not saying she groomed him but… maybe she did? and when it didnt go how she wanted, off with his head! her mask slipped but we were all so caught up with out hatred towards james that we either didnt notice or just didnt care.. watching this back so many years later, its actually crazy to me just how many of us went along with this witch hunt
Titling ur video “bye sister” is so unserious i can’t believe it was real
I’m just realizing that behind her are all jeffree lipsticks in the back 😂☠️
I wonder how this would have all gone had he called her for a sponsorship instead of SBH 😅
5 years? feels like 2 yrs
I stand by my opinion when I was 18, five years ago
Nobody in that situation was good. Everyone had clown noses and shoes on. The situation was a whole damn _circus_
Where did Gabriel go? He like vanished
yessss i’ve been asking for this situation to be revisited for so long! thank you adam!!!
Please please please do a revisit on the Manny MUA/Laura Lee/ Jeffree Starr drama!!!
Manny and Laura still haven’t recovered!
😂😂😂 Tati , tati really did a number on herself with these videos. Amazing work ! I was so entertained the entire time !!
Hearing this now is pretty crazy … she’s talking about a 17 year old … her saying like “oh he used to tell me I’m so amazing” GURL STOP IT
New Adam and Eve deal is actually sickkkk
As a pale Irish descent American, I am envious of your tan. I have two colors, pale and red!
I felt this 😂
@@artofkai my daughter is even more pale than I am. The struggle is real!
'irish descent american' shut your goofy arse up. youre just american. i dont call myself a fucking saxon or jute
@@TheeEnglishKnight your pfp sure calls you that though.
Thanks for reminding me why I can’t stand her
wow the parallels between you and colleen and james and tati are crazy. “mentoring” someone but expecting so much from them… gross.
It’s not about being unprofessional or about some gummy bears. She supported him NON STOP only for him to promote her competitor. That’s such a slap in the face don’t act like it isn’t… she says this was line bc he was acting weird. She did voice her discomfort so? You act like you call out all the wrong things you see people do (doesn’t bc Coleen got away with a lot before anything was first said)
I get you were younger but as soon as something is uncomfortable, you know it’s wrong… but bc she was a friend it was hard to say something right? She had deep relationship with James and also found it hard to bring up bc of the feelings. You are to young to know what it’s like being a guide to a younger person you wish the best for. But having to let go because they’re growing up and doing their own thing. I raised kids that weren’t mine and it was hard when they did (bad) things you couldn’t control.. you don’t see her perspective at all.
@@rotten_corpserossie but, she was a groqn arse fucking woman and he was a child when they first became friends. fuckig weird.
I was 15 when all of this went down….thats crazy 💀
I was 16
i was 12 😭😭😭
i was 13 😭😭