For real, makes more sense to a degree, it literally just needs to be enough to see the figure and the rest can be cardboard. Even if it's cheap cardboard more or heavier tape can fix that.
This sudden turnaround is absolutely the result of big box retailers pressuring Hasbro to stop selling them product that can be so easily damaged or stolen. Hasbro has already sold these toys to retailers, so when a ton of toys get damaged or stolen it's Walmart and Target that take the financial hit on write offs. The only reason Hasbro is backtracking now (I theorize of course) is because big box retailers are threatening not to carry any more of their product. Walmart can do just fine without stocking transformers and marvel legends, but Hasbro will absolutely crumble without major retail support.
this smells so much of managerial meddling overriding the market team. between the ridiculous problems in distribution far beyond the timings of the lockdowns, the absolute mess that are the rights on "exclusives", not to talk about the other IPs
the open packaging thing (alongside horrible distribution due to a couple stubborn shelf-warmers clogging up otherwise bare shelves) is pretty much the reason why I only buy my figures online. as much as I want to drop $25 on a Diaclone Burnout, seeing the figure caked in dust and fingerprints makes me wonder "Who's touched this? where have their hands been?" and then I see a headless Legacy Arcee on the peg next to it and confirm that it's for the best that I chose this path.
When I opened my legacy prowl a couple days ago I loved the cardboard back as well as the ties that were used. I’m fine with the plastic windows as that is a lot better but they really don’t need to use blister packs
“Windows is being reinstalled on your Transformers packaging” is on par with the best TFWiki captions and NEEDS to be put on the packaging page when comparing Evolution packaging to Legacy year 3 packaging.
Oh, and the figure that gets thrown into the trash after little Tommy rips the leg off because the transformation was too hard. EDIT* lol just heard TJ say the same thing
@@neolabcustoms Soooo what? Because you plastic exists there should be no concept of conservation. You might as well of said, “there is plastic wrap!! F recycling!!!” That argument just doesn’t hold water.
in my country the cases of people stealing the heads was so common that they had to duct tape the windows to at least make it a little bit harder to steal
Hey TJ, I’m the guy who got his Motormaster swapped for the textbook. Thanks for talking about this issue, I’m super glad that Hasbro is finally making some changes to mitigate these problems. Oh also I managed to get a real Motormaster eventually 😂
Dude I am so sorry that happened to ya. I totally agree that I would be in fums too had that happened to me while waiting for something like Motormaster to come through the mail, only to be deceived with a textbook of all things. 😑 Glad you got your Motormaster eventually.
I’ve always wondered this myself, how are package thieves able to get away with what they do? If they are ripping a figure out of it’s package or replacing it with a different figure, won’t somebody see them and catch them in the act?
there's 2 harsh realities for that 1- no matter what, the average retailer has a budget limit on security, and generally there are more pricey stuff that makes more sense to steal and resell than toys, so often there is not much attention to be given 2- far too many retail places doesn't pay their worker enough, either in actual money or in other care, for the individual to engage the shoplifter on low items value, like toys are
@@serPomiz I used to work at Walmart as a shelf stocker. We were NOT allowed to confront customers. Even if they were obviously stealing, we could only do the whole "Do you nees assistance aith anything?" spiel.
Completely agree with you that this was never about environmentalism and was just a cost-cutting measure. Here’s to hoping the new plastic doesn’t increase the prices further, because… let’s face it, it could, because it’s Hasbro. The vandalism, toy swapping and theft was such a huge problem. Even with the toys that couldn’t have their heads easily pulled off, you could tell that someone *tried* to do it. The two recent Studio Series Arcees almost always had their heads detached, though I never saw one with the pulled actually removed. This definitely feels more like a response to retailer complaints masquerading as listening to fan feedback, because the fan feedback was *immediate* and still ignored.
Kinda 50/50 on windowless. I like that I can just untie the strings on my figure to get it out of the box, but I just know if this was a thing back when I worked at Walmart, I'd see people returning Leader Class Lazer Prime or Skyquake boxes with half a Transmetal Waspinator in there. If we're lucky and it wasn't just a rock that's as heavy as a leader class.
I'm still not really convinced this will make any difference for package swapping, since so many people buy their toys online and the retail employees don't check either way.
Yeah, toy swapping has been a common practice for decades. The only benefit a windowed box offers is that the customer in the store can see for themselves whether the toy has been swapped (and even then, swappers have been known to get crafty).
I went to Target, and someone stole a scrapbook. Then I go to Walmart (this happens all the time at Walmart) where I buy a figure, and it's missing a piece or a weapon, or I find open figures and missing figures on the shelf
7:44 That is NOT a picture the actual toy, that is digital 3D Render of the toy, Marvel Legends collectors know this all too well, because in some cases, the 3D renders end up differing from the actual product within
Went to target and found a origin Jazz but the white chest was scuffed up so I left it then went back 2 days later and it was still there... so yeah, bring back the plastic window!
I honestly think there is a very easy solution to solve the theft issue while not having to use plastic packaging- just do the fully inclosed boxes like they do with leader/commander classes, masterpiece, etc, i get you cant really see the toy inside, but it still would fix those issues Edit: i see now why thats not the best idea
I could see going plastic-free IF we were using fully enclosed cardboard boxes. Yet nope, we had plastic windows and plastic blisters, and people were using the window-free packaging to steal parts off of figures in the stores, from heads to limbs to accessories.
the thing is, a full on open window is free estate for thiefs as much as mischief hunters. having a more complex "prison" setup with the cardboard would repell the latter with much more success
I wish I'd snapped a pic but while cruising the clearance aisle at a local Wal-Mart,I found a box that was marked "Crosshairs",had a Bulkhead shoved in it,that was missing it's head. I don't even want to think about the chain of events that made this happen.
I got a bad quality Galvatron from my Walmart and I returned him because he was so loose and his head got stuck in transformation. I want back and I found the exact box and I could tell cause I could hear all the accessories rattling.. :/
have you wonder why they do this? like why take the heads? my last trip to walmart i saw an entire shelf of spiderman toys, like 40 packs and all of them had no head. Like is it some kind of head fetish? or do they think ''hmmmm i cant steal the whole toy at once so why not just take parts from tons of them so i can rebuild one at home'' but then again, what the hell are you supposed to do with 40 spiderman heads?
@@keilafleischbein59 eh, debatable. And also, lots of cases are different, and some people just like to do it to troll. Your point is valid, but I'm just stating mine is still also valid
I may be an outlier here, but I actually preferred the plastic free packaging overall. Was it great? No, it had problems, particularly with Transformers and the potential for theft and QC issues. My argument with the theft part, at least for the closed boxes was that they could have used anti tanper tape like what Lego does so that there's at least a tell that it's been opened. I don't need plastic packaging for plastic toys.
At the very least, I'd be up for the return of the Plastic Windows, but I can easily go without the Plastic Bubbles. Some lines like the GI Joe Classified line has worked quite well without the bubbles, with things like cardboard ammo boxes with the characters names being used for storing accessories inside the box.
That Spider-Man on the Marvel Legends box is actually a CAD drawing. I collect Legends, and there are clear differences between the physical product and the CAD images on the box.
With regard to the pictures of the toy on closed packages, most toy companies (including Hasbro) put a legal disclaimer along the lines of "final product may vary". Basically saying that the photos they use of the "actual toy" are most likely hand-painted prototypes. Granted, the ones today are much closer to the final production run but you can still find minor variances (missing/changed paint apps, plastic color shades, etc.).
I can undestand having the plastic windows back for the package but also make the boxes thicker too for structural entergrety becuase you can just rip the toy out for transformers cores , deluxes , Voyagers
I think adding the plastic window back is a good thing, but I really prefer the cardboard backing to the blister, it makes the toys much easier to get out and the packaging easier to dispose of.
I still don’t understand why no one checks the boxes… heck, here in Spain when I had to legitimately return some defective toys, I have to show it, show the receipt, explain why is defective and then they sometimes have to double check in case I’m lying, wich could sound rude to the customer, but it prevents those weird swaps and factory rejects being sold again…
I'm just sick of getting mangled heads on my leader class figures where the boxes are always closed. I've cut back a lot on newer figures after that happened 5 or 6 times. Either use windows, or cut your prices in half to accommodate crappy QC. That and missing paint apps, no way to check for that anymore.
I bought a Legacy transmetal 2 Megatron off of Amazon and what I got was 3 Power Ranger figures one was missing a head the other which was a villain was missing his hand and the third was just beat up all to hell so I'm ready for window boxes to make a return
Something missed in the recycling discussions is that recycling is kind of a fraud. There are a *lot* of issues with recycling plastic, and the vast majority of plastic (even that allegedly sent for recycling) still gets sent to landfills or burnt. Heck, I'd guess that my area's entire recycling system is entirely thinly veiled PR, as the collection site ultimately sticks *all* "recyclable" materials (plastic, paper, glass, metal, etc) into the same compactor.
I have my own story of a figure swap story where it was a legacy soundwave box but the figure clear as day was the bumblebee sound waves studio series figure seriously how did that person who took The returned was not able to tell that the figure did not match the pictures on the box
I suspect going back to plastic windows is a combination of multiple factors including unhappy hardcore collectors and that every single transformer that's missing a head means a whole plastic toy robot ends up in landfill as opposed to just a plastic bubble. Yes in theory I suppose all the headless ones could be sent back to the distributior/manufacturer but the supply chains are not set up for such logistics so at best they'll just end up in an amazon returns pallet or something.
Oh thank _PRIMUS!_ when I got Legacy Soundwave and SS Crosshairs from Walmart and Target, THEY WERE BOTH MISSING THEIR FIREARMS. Same could be said with Needlenose; NO TARGETMASTERS.
Good. I'm sick of seing figures with heads or parts missing. Then again, I will miss having the opportunity to test out head joints and other joints I could reach for before buying a transformer.
Just for Information. From January 2024 EU and UK will begin to request submission of data of packaging, then charge all companies that: 1 - produce or import products into Europe, 2 - has an annual turnover exceed a certain limit (in UK it is £1 million), and 3 - use packaging exceed certain weight per year (in UK it is 25 metric tonnes) this charge does not exempt recyclable materials like cardboard, recyclable plastic, or biodegradable material. the only exemption is on reused packaging (ie packaging that are sent back to manufacturers). I have not check any further (will do because my employer is likely needing to submit data as well) I believe the category of material used in the packaging will be charged at a different rate. For Hasbro, this will literately mean that when they import toys, they will expect an additional "tax" payable to their local government. this legislation in Europe has begun to take effect as of March this year, as companies are expected to monitor and report the data later this year in preparation for 2024.
I would agree that the new packaging approach was done more as a cost saving measure that was spun as an environmental concern. Not a well-thought out strategy.
Ngl, I prefer windowless, I just wish they packaged Transformers in alt mode, so heads don't get stolen (which I actually haven't seen outside of photos). I like the feel of it, and I do like the aspect of featuring more art. What I seen for vandalism is more so the cardboard getting shredded, which was even before a windowless packaging. I just hope we do not go back to plastic bubbles on cardback. I also do hope they go to Kingdom small windows overbig window. Blister pack and bubbles on card are the bane of my existence ngl.
@starscream7755 Most likely, but the vehicle mode packaging feels more fitting with transformers, IMO. So I could see it still working that way. Ultimately yeah, kids may be more inclined for the robots, though, especially considering Studio Series, its better to have it be in a mode where if a kid can't figure out the transformation they still have a toy.
Really 😂 closed boxes suck ass dude what a shill and don't convince me otherwise with this eco bs from Hasbro a corporation that doesn't care about it's costumers
We don't need the plastic trays back, just the windows. I honestly prefer the cardboard that a figure is tied to because its easier to get out. The amount of times I fought against those god damn plastic trays to free the figure and was worried I might break something by accident was ridiculous, those don't need to come back.
There have been Green Plastics for years. There was no reason to leave it an open box. Maybe fully enclosed, like Leaders, but not open front. Dumb. Always was
My biggest concern with the open packaging design was always that they switched over to it almost immediately after a massive global health crisis, which just seems like a safety issue to me.
I don't think the widow really adds any structural integrity. I have seen packages in store damaged the same exact way even when they had the windows. It's way more common now bacause of all the vandalism but it wasn't entirely unheard of before the windowless packaging. A lot of stores even use to discount any products that had damaged packaging though they don't really do that anymore and still expect you to pay full price. Part of the reason for that change is they figured out people were damaging the packaging on purpose just to get the discount. Also... the funniest act of vandalism I've seen is someone removed the head specifically only from Ironhide so he matched his original toy. I don't condone doing this ever but I did consider buying that Ironhide intentionally knowing it was damaged just for the cheeky G1 reference. If it wasn't such an expensive joke I would have.
Marvel Legends has been heavily criticized because they *don't* use photos of the actual figure, instead they use renders of a prototype or idealized figure. This can be quite misleading in some cases, such as having box art that might depict (more expensive) pinless joints only for the final production figure inside to use (cheaper) visible joint pins. The more conspiracy theory minded have suggested this is intentional, that Hasbro is taking advantage of windowless boxes to make their products look better than they actually are. The more realistic view is simply that the box art is coming from early models that were created long before the figures went through all cost-reduction and actual production.
I stopped buying instantly as an in-box collector. That's probably what hit their pocketbook the most in-box collectors. The stores usually pay them unless damaged when they come in, I believe. If it becomes unsellable then the store writes it off, and the taxpayers pay for it. I don't see the transformers on the list. I hope they fix the windows on those as well. They said across the 6 inch line, but no mention of transformers.
The no window boxes have to the worst thing I've ever had in my collection. I have avoided buying them if I could. Dust magnets and dam hard to get it out.
Its about time they bring the windows back I'm tired of figures being exposed to the elements and people's grubby hands. I'm also tired of having Marvel legends figures come in boxes where you can't see the figure.
I understand that Hasbro wanted to respond to "Environmentalist Concerns" - Christ, I was a Member of Greenpeace so I am part of that audience... But the Windowless Packaging is NEVER what we were looking for... I recall and I am sure I can still find pictures of some Older Marvel Legends Figures as well as Transformers and Star Wars Toys for Collectors that had First, A Cardboard Display Piece... No big Issue there... Then, A Plastic Tray to keep it all in place, OK... That's getting a bit overboard... Then a Cardboard Box with Window... And THEN A PLASTIC OUTER SHELL TO KEEP THE BOX SAFE! Marvel Legends used to come in a Plastic Container with a Cardboard and a Plastic Insert!!!! WHY!? That's THREE LAYERS OF PACKAGING!!! They could have down a Simple Windowed Box... With the figure helped in place like they do with Barbie... On a Carboard Insert and VASTLY REDUCED PLASTIC WASTE! I make no bones about it... I personally believe that Hasbro were DELIBERATE in taking the "Less Plastic Packaging" to its most EXTREME conclusion to het fans and collectors to protest against Environmentalists!!! They KNEW there was a Middle ground that would not be perfect but would be better received ... Jesus, When most of us moan about Waste Plastic, We are taking about GROCERIES being wrapped in Plastic Bags despite being BOXED, or even NATYRALLY PROITECTED such as Fruit and Vegetables (Why is my BOXED Frozen Pizza placed on an Excess cardboard Tray I am going to Bin and WRAPPED IN PLASTIC!? Don't tell me its to keep the topping on as I have already seen other Frozen Pizzas that JUST USE A BOX!)
I still don’t understand why hasbro thought open boxes was ever a good idea. I would’ve taken straight cardboard than headless figures all over the place.
ok. give it half a second to that returned "blitzwing" and how the hands-guns are still there anyway... I'm perfectly fine with the end of this; even if returns aren't a thing here, managerial meddling needs to be ostracized when it goes against both the item well being and the market team structurated answer of why it is a bad idea
hot take. i'm ok with the new box its more eco friendly i would 100000 times go with the open box if its better for the earth but yeah the heads can get lost i just wish there can be a middle ground
I've seen too many damaged or missing heads bots also the figure swaps that are blatantly obvious. A lot of the swaps are the retail employees are not paid enough to care about it
As a collector Im happy that toys will have plastic boxes again, but I think that this means also the price is gonna be higher for them, like 40 for deluxe ect. Maybe Im wrong, maybe not, but I definitely can see them doin it. And there is also question how much they will highering their toy prices, until people stops buying them because the price will be too expensive for ordinary people with families and houses and taxes and... to afford. Cause even if we love this hobby of buying transformers, marvel legends, star wars etc., how many of you got into trouble with your parents, partners, because of WASTING A ENORMOUS CHUNK OF MONEY FOR TOYS. Cause even if a lot of you dont see it that way, they are just toys, ment to be played with, ment to broke, ment to be throw out to thrash and ment to just take money from you. I know many of you, us, are gonna say but its what we love its part of us and da da da, but as an adult with own family, kids, house, dog, car, it's not very logical to spend that much money for a just toy. If it would be affordable like 10 15 20 years ago for deluxe 8usd, voyage 17usd and leader 30usd OK that is great price, but that wont happend cause of inflation and many other fske crap. So Im asking HOW MANY OF YOU ARE WILLING TO THROW MONEY OUT OF WINDOW JUST FOR TOY, AND WHAT PRICE POINT IS YOUR STOP POINT WHEN YOU SAY ok Im done not buyin or hoe many of you would say ok If Im not able to afford this Im gonna steal it, or steal money form your parents partners friends etc. for JUST A TOY.
World it kick hasbro to bring back alt mode packaging? Aren't they learning their lessons? It's a pain in the aft. How? Head theft is one, closed door box stolen stores. If the toy gets bought in box with no window it was either a not worth $50 cereal or stolen toy not returned. Someone can take a shot everytime i say #bringbackaltmodepacking.
@@sabregunner1 Ok, please elaborate. Because from the perspective I can see, any bit would be at least something regardless of intent. If this is false I’m more than willing to concede to your point.
@@Arufonsa1 Greenwashing, also called "green sheen", is a form of advertising or marketing spin in which green PR and green marketing are deceptively used to persuade the public that an organization's products, aims and policies are environmentally friendly. Basically they did an "environtmental" thing but it they did it for financial reasons. aka to be cheaper for them to make and not for actual environmental impact It is entirely the intent behind it that is the issue. Yes they should put less plastic in their packaging but it wasnt for the benefit of the environment
@@sabregunner1 I think that’s fair and quite obvious. I would never make the claim Hasbro was altruistic. But I don’t think this answers the question. Regardless of intent it’s still less plastic. It’s less use of a finite resource. So what really is the issue? You are right. They are spin doctoring a cost saving measure. So what if the result is the same?
I don't bother collecting Transformers anymore because of a few things including the packaging, I wouldn't be able to see what I'm about to pay for, I'm just collecting Doctor Who figures now I think they're better to collect than Transformers sorry
Ar the end of the day I feel like most of it was virtue signaling. Once Hasbro realized people weren’t caring about it as much and there were serious complaints about the vandalism they bring it back.
I can understand having plastic windows back in the packages, but i don't think the blisters are necessary
For real, makes more sense to a degree, it literally just needs to be enough to see the figure and the rest can be cardboard. Even if it's cheap cardboard more or heavier tape can fix that.
What are blisters?
@@firesonic1010 the plastic trays where the figures were held still in the old packages
This sudden turnaround is absolutely the result of big box retailers pressuring Hasbro to stop selling them product that can be so easily damaged or stolen. Hasbro has already sold these toys to retailers, so when a ton of toys get damaged or stolen it's Walmart and Target that take the financial hit on write offs. The only reason Hasbro is backtracking now (I theorize of course) is because big box retailers are threatening not to carry any more of their product. Walmart can do just fine without stocking transformers and marvel legends, but Hasbro will absolutely crumble without major retail support.
this smells so much of managerial meddling overriding the market team. between the ridiculous problems in distribution far beyond the timings of the lockdowns, the absolute mess that are the rights on "exclusives", not to talk about the other IPs
I’ll take that bet.
the open packaging thing (alongside horrible distribution due to a couple stubborn shelf-warmers clogging up otherwise bare shelves) is pretty much the reason why I only buy my figures online. as much as I want to drop $25 on a Diaclone Burnout, seeing the figure caked in dust and fingerprints makes me wonder "Who's touched this? where have their hands been?" and then I see a headless Legacy Arcee on the peg next to it and confirm that it's for the best that I chose this path.
When I opened my legacy prowl a couple days ago I loved the cardboard back as well as the ties that were used. I’m fine with the plastic windows as that is a lot better but they really don’t need to use blister packs
“Windows is being reinstalled on your Transformers packaging” is on par with the best TFWiki captions and NEEDS to be put on the packaging page when comparing Evolution packaging to Legacy year 3 packaging.
Hasbro was really proud to plaster * "Plastic-Free Packaging" on all their packaging.
*Except tape and glue and ties
The ties havent been plastic in a while
@@gojidoh yea my legacy prowl had some sort of cardboard ties
Yea…. God forbid the smallest concession huh?
Oh, and the figure that gets thrown into the trash after little Tommy rips the leg off because the transformation was too hard. EDIT* lol just heard TJ say the same thing
@@neolabcustoms Soooo what? Because you plastic exists there should be no concept of conservation. You might as well of said, “there is plastic wrap!! F recycling!!!” That argument just doesn’t hold water.
This era of Hasbro packaging will always memorialized to me by the time someone spill queso on their in box Rumble.
WHAT
That’s hilarious
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho yah a jar of queso broke in the same grocery bag they were carrying a Rumble in and got all over it.
in my country the cases of people stealing the heads was so common that they had to duct tape the windows to at least make it a little bit harder to steal
Hey TJ, I’m the guy who got his Motormaster swapped for the textbook. Thanks for talking about this issue, I’m super glad that Hasbro is finally making some changes to mitigate these problems. Oh also I managed to get a real Motormaster eventually 😂
Dude I am so sorry that happened to ya. I totally agree that I would be in fums too had that happened to me while waiting for something like Motormaster to come through the mail, only to be deceived with a textbook of all things. 😑 Glad you got your Motormaster eventually.
@@cheezysalt456 yeah, thankfully Amazon support was super helpful on this, managed to get me a legit copy within a week or two.
"They're not that evil."
I'd have attached - "They're not Nestle" after that.
I mean people were losing their heads over it.. if only people said it would happen
and now the toys are paying the price by literally loosing their heads
I’ve always wondered this myself, how are package thieves able to get away with what they do? If they are ripping a figure out of it’s package or replacing it with a different figure, won’t somebody see them and catch them in the act?
there's 2 harsh realities for that
1- no matter what, the average retailer has a budget limit on security, and generally there are more pricey stuff that makes more sense to steal and resell than toys, so often there is not much attention to be given
2- far too many retail places doesn't pay their worker enough, either in actual money or in other care, for the individual to engage the shoplifter on low items value, like toys are
@@serPomiz Man, that’s a real shame 😕
@@serPomiz I used to work at Walmart as a shelf stocker. We were NOT allowed to confront customers. Even if they were obviously stealing, we could only do the whole "Do you nees assistance aith anything?" spiel.
As soon as "head hunting" became a thing I knew this was coming
I love how they left the giant fists in the Blitzwing box.
Completely agree with you that this was never about environmentalism and was just a cost-cutting measure. Here’s to hoping the new plastic doesn’t increase the prices further, because… let’s face it, it could, because it’s Hasbro. The vandalism, toy swapping and theft was such a huge problem. Even with the toys that couldn’t have their heads easily pulled off, you could tell that someone *tried* to do it. The two recent Studio Series Arcees almost always had their heads detached, though I never saw one with the pulled actually removed. This definitely feels more like a response to retailer complaints masquerading as listening to fan feedback, because the fan feedback was *immediate* and still ignored.
Kinda 50/50 on windowless. I like that I can just untie the strings on my figure to get it out of the box, but I just know if this was a thing back when I worked at Walmart, I'd see people returning Leader Class Lazer Prime or Skyquake boxes with half a Transmetal Waspinator in there. If we're lucky and it wasn't just a rock that's as heavy as a leader class.
What version of Transmetal Waspinator was it? Original, Fox Kids or Armada?
My friend bought legacy metroplex and it got replaced with some old mus papers and bricks .
I'm still not really convinced this will make any difference for package swapping, since so many people buy their toys online and the retail employees don't check either way.
Yeah, toy swapping has been a common practice for decades. The only benefit a windowed box offers is that the customer in the store can see for themselves whether the toy has been swapped (and even then, swappers have been known to get crafty).
Thank God, thank you for the good news!
I went to Target, and someone stole a scrapbook.
Then I go to Walmart (this happens all the time at Walmart) where I buy a figure, and it's missing a piece or a weapon, or I find open figures and missing figures on the shelf
Just subscribed. Really nice to see someone make a dedicated video about this decision.
7:44 That is NOT a picture the actual toy, that is digital 3D Render of the toy, Marvel Legends collectors know this all too well, because in some cases, the 3D renders end up differing from the actual product within
Went to target and found a origin Jazz but the white chest was scuffed up so I left it then went back 2 days later and it was still there... so yeah, bring back the plastic window!
I honestly think there is a very easy solution to solve the theft issue while not having to use plastic packaging- just do the fully inclosed boxes like they do with leader/commander classes, masterpiece, etc, i get you cant really see the toy inside, but it still would fix those issues
Edit: i see now why thats not the best idea
I could see going plastic-free IF we were using fully enclosed cardboard boxes. Yet nope, we had plastic windows and plastic blisters, and people were using the window-free packaging to steal parts off of figures in the stores, from heads to limbs to accessories.
the thing is, a full on open window is free estate for thiefs as much as mischief hunters.
having a more complex "prison" setup with the cardboard would repell the latter with much more success
I wish I'd snapped a pic but while cruising the clearance aisle at a local Wal-Mart,I found a box that was marked "Crosshairs",had a Bulkhead shoved in it,that was missing it's head. I don't even want to think about the chain of events that made this happen.
I got a bad quality Galvatron from my Walmart and I returned him because he was so loose and his head got stuck in transformation. I want back and I found the exact box and I could tell cause I could hear all the accessories rattling.. :/
You be surprised at return store I go to often a lot of transformers are complete or missing heads , lol
have you wonder why they do this? like why take the heads? my last trip to walmart i saw an entire shelf of spiderman toys, like 40 packs and all of them had no head. Like is it some kind of head fetish? or do they think ''hmmmm i cant steal the whole toy at once so why not just take parts from tons of them so i can rebuild one at home'' but then again, what the hell are you supposed to do with 40 spiderman heads?
It's just human nature. Easily predictable.
It's because they think it's funny, even though it isn't at all.
@@bumbleprime7713 it's not because they think it's funny. It's because they can and nothing stops them.
@@keilafleischbein59 eh, debatable. And also, lots of cases are different, and some people just like to do it to troll. Your point is valid, but I'm just stating mine is still also valid
@@bumbleprime7713 my point is more generalized and encompasses yours. They would not find it funny if they could not do it.
I may be an outlier here, but I actually preferred the plastic free packaging overall. Was it great? No, it had problems, particularly with Transformers and the potential for theft and QC issues. My argument with the theft part, at least for the closed boxes was that they could have used anti tanper tape like what Lego does so that there's at least a tell that it's been opened. I don't need plastic packaging for plastic toys.
At the very least, I'd be up for the return of the Plastic Windows, but I can easily go without the Plastic Bubbles. Some lines like the GI Joe Classified line has worked quite well without the bubbles, with things like cardboard ammo boxes with the characters names being used for storing accessories inside the box.
I actually saw a Skybyte without his beast mode head at my local Meijer today
That Spider-Man on the Marvel Legends box is actually a CAD drawing. I collect Legends, and there are clear differences between the physical product and the CAD images on the box.
With regard to the pictures of the toy on closed packages, most toy companies (including Hasbro) put a legal disclaimer along the lines of "final product may vary". Basically saying that the photos they use of the "actual toy" are most likely hand-painted prototypes. Granted, the ones today are much closer to the final production run but you can still find minor variances (missing/changed paint apps, plastic color shades, etc.).
Meanwhile Mattel doesn't give a darn about plastic in packaging, presentation is an important selling point.
Ok?
Saw a swapped head one at as Walmart. Grandma isn't going to know any better, but the kid is going to be confused and disappointed.
Not a Transformer, but in my local Walmart, I saw a Playskool Captain America figure without a head.
I can undestand having the plastic windows back for the package but also make the boxes thicker too for structural entergrety becuase you can just rip the toy out for transformers cores , deluxes , Voyagers
I think adding the plastic window back is a good thing, but I really prefer the cardboard backing to the blister, it makes the toys much easier to get out and the packaging easier to dispose of.
Dude, especially the new rise of the beasts packaging. The weaponizer’s and battle changers are so freaking easy to steal.
I still don’t understand why no one checks the boxes… heck, here in Spain when I had to legitimately return some defective toys, I have to show it, show the receipt, explain why is defective and then they sometimes have to double check in case I’m lying, wich could sound rude to the customer, but it prevents those weird swaps and factory rejects being sold again…
I'm just sick of getting mangled heads on my leader class figures where the boxes are always closed. I've cut back a lot on newer figures after that happened 5 or 6 times. Either use windows, or cut your prices in half to accommodate crappy QC. That and missing paint apps, no way to check for that anymore.
Cool video. Glad Hasbro is rolling back the windows
I bought a Legacy transmetal 2 Megatron off of Amazon and what I got was 3 Power Ranger figures one was missing a head the other which was a villain was missing his hand and the third was just beat up all to hell so I'm ready for window boxes to make a return
Its about time! I cant tell you how many figure boxes were wrecked just by shipping them!
It's gonna kinda look cursed to see the plastic windows on legacy boxes, but I'm all here for it
I just loved the closing line since it's ironic in a weird way.
Something missed in the recycling discussions is that recycling is kind of a fraud. There are a *lot* of issues with recycling plastic, and the vast majority of plastic (even that allegedly sent for recycling) still gets sent to landfills or burnt.
Heck, I'd guess that my area's entire recycling system is entirely thinly veiled PR, as the collection site ultimately sticks *all* "recyclable" materials (plastic, paper, glass, metal, etc) into the same compactor.
This is sadly mostly accurate
It's 3 out of 9 or so supposed recyclable plastic types that can actually recyclable.
That why it's better to be a Doomsday prepper than environmentalist because God destroying the world with fire is metaphor for global warming
I have my own story of a figure swap story where it was a legacy soundwave box but the figure clear as day was the bumblebee sound waves studio series figure seriously how did that person who took The returned was not able to tell that the figure did not match the pictures on the box
I saw a Skullgrin with no head at my local walmart.
Thank god my
Fallen, sludge and blitzwing came in there packaging instead of some random thing
I suspect going back to plastic windows is a combination of multiple factors including unhappy hardcore collectors and that every single transformer that's missing a head means a whole plastic toy robot ends up in landfill as opposed to just a plastic bubble.
Yes in theory I suppose all the headless ones could be sent back to the distributior/manufacturer but the supply chains are not set up for such logistics so at best they'll just end up in an amazon returns pallet or something.
Oh thank _PRIMUS!_ when I got Legacy Soundwave and SS Crosshairs from Walmart and Target, THEY WERE BOTH MISSING THEIR FIREARMS. Same could be said with Needlenose; NO TARGETMASTERS.
Good. I'm sick of seing figures with heads or parts missing. Then again, I will miss having the opportunity to test out head joints and other joints I could reach for before buying a transformer.
They could do mesh windows
A small plastic window is still an improvement over having the packaging mostly be comprised of plastic.
Just today I found a Leo Prime with no head. Someone tore the box and opened up his chest just to pull his head off.
Grimlock is only made of 70% dinosaur now.
And 30% Botanica.
I kinda saw this comin
Just for Information. From January 2024 EU and UK will begin to request submission of data of packaging, then charge all companies that:
1 - produce or import products into Europe,
2 - has an annual turnover exceed a certain limit (in UK it is £1 million), and
3 - use packaging exceed certain weight per year (in UK it is 25 metric tonnes)
this charge does not exempt recyclable materials like cardboard, recyclable plastic, or biodegradable material. the only exemption is on reused packaging (ie packaging that are sent back to manufacturers). I have not check any further (will do because my employer is likely needing to submit data as well) I believe the category of material used in the packaging will be charged at a different rate.
For Hasbro, this will literately mean that when they import toys, they will expect an additional "tax" payable to their local government. this legislation in Europe has begun to take effect as of March this year, as companies are expected to monitor and report the data later this year in preparation for 2024.
Even if it turned out some of these were in protest to Hasbro dropping the plastic, I don't think that's the majority and the point was still proven.
I would agree that the new packaging approach was done more as a cost saving measure that was spun as an environmental concern. Not a well-thought out strategy.
Ngl, I prefer windowless, I just wish they packaged Transformers in alt mode, so heads don't get stolen (which I actually haven't seen outside of photos). I like the feel of it, and I do like the aspect of featuring more art. What I seen for vandalism is more so the cardboard getting shredded, which was even before a windowless packaging. I just hope we do not go back to plastic bubbles on cardback.
I also do hope they go to Kingdom small windows overbig window. Blister pack and bubbles on card are the bane of my existence ngl.
@starscream7755 Most likely, but the vehicle mode packaging feels more fitting with transformers, IMO. So I could see it still working that way. Ultimately yeah, kids may be more inclined for the robots, though, especially considering Studio Series, its better to have it be in a mode where if a kid can't figure out the transformation they still have a toy.
Really 😂 closed boxes suck ass dude what a shill and don't convince me otherwise with this eco bs from Hasbro a corporation that doesn't care about it's costumers
@@flameflamedramonvawoke shill
NIB but with dust too
That Blitzwing example you showed is just insulting.
Don't buy a returned anything in retail, especially with Transformers this year. Headless Silverstreak and Bulkhead were in rows at Target months ago.
I'm so relieved that return really is not a thing here, and when it is is still rare enough that each package is checked
Its like the Headless Lebron James’s all over again
We don't need the plastic trays back, just the windows. I honestly prefer the cardboard that a figure is tied to because its easier to get out. The amount of times I fought against those god damn plastic trays to free the figure and was worried I might break something by accident was ridiculous, those don't need to come back.
There have been Green Plastics for years. There was no reason to leave it an open box. Maybe fully enclosed, like Leaders, but not open front. Dumb. Always was
It’s debatable how “green” those plastics are though to be fair.
My biggest concern with the open packaging design was always that they switched over to it almost immediately after a massive global health crisis, which just seems like a safety issue to me.
I finally got hit with a swap at Target. Namor swapped out for a basic wwe figure
I don't think the widow really adds any structural integrity. I have seen packages in store damaged the same exact way even when they had the windows. It's way more common now bacause of all the vandalism but it wasn't entirely unheard of before the windowless packaging. A lot of stores even use to discount any products that had damaged packaging though they don't really do that anymore and still expect you to pay full price. Part of the reason for that change is they figured out people were damaging the packaging on purpose just to get the discount.
Also... the funniest act of vandalism I've seen is someone removed the head specifically only from Ironhide so he matched his original toy. I don't condone doing this ever but I did consider buying that Ironhide intentionally knowing it was damaged just for the cheeky G1 reference. If it wasn't such an expensive joke I would have.
I never liked Hasbro’s plastic-less packaging.
For some reasons, we don't have this kind of problem in France ( probably because we have less toys than U.S)
Marvel Legends has been heavily criticized because they *don't* use photos of the actual figure, instead they use renders of a prototype or idealized figure. This can be quite misleading in some cases, such as having box art that might depict (more expensive) pinless joints only for the final production figure inside to use (cheaper) visible joint pins.
The more conspiracy theory minded have suggested this is intentional, that Hasbro is taking advantage of windowless boxes to make their products look better than they actually are. The more realistic view is simply that the box art is coming from early models that were created long before the figures went through all cost-reduction and actual production.
I stopped buying instantly as an in-box collector. That's probably what hit their pocketbook the most in-box collectors. The stores usually pay them unless damaged when they come in, I believe. If it becomes unsellable then the store writes it off, and the taxpayers pay for it. I don't see the transformers on the list. I hope they fix the windows on those as well. They said across the 6 inch line, but no mention of transformers.
The no window boxes have to the worst thing I've ever had in my collection. I have avoided buying them if I could. Dust magnets and dam hard to get it out.
I only see miles morales missing his head when I go to stores that's note worty.
Its about time they bring the windows back I'm tired of figures being exposed to the elements and people's grubby hands. I'm also tired of having Marvel legends figures come in boxes where you can't see the figure.
That Motormaster one is messed up.
Toy swapping has always existed though, even with older, twisty-ties and tape. That's nothing new. The vandalism of new stock sucks I agree
I understand that Hasbro wanted to respond to "Environmentalist Concerns" - Christ, I was a Member of Greenpeace so I am part of that audience... But the Windowless Packaging is NEVER what we were looking for...
I recall and I am sure I can still find pictures of some Older Marvel Legends Figures as well as Transformers and Star Wars Toys for Collectors that had First, A Cardboard Display Piece... No big Issue there... Then, A Plastic Tray to keep it all in place, OK... That's getting a bit overboard... Then a Cardboard Box with Window... And THEN A PLASTIC OUTER SHELL TO KEEP THE BOX SAFE!
Marvel Legends used to come in a Plastic Container with a Cardboard and a Plastic Insert!!!! WHY!? That's THREE LAYERS OF PACKAGING!!!
They could have down a Simple Windowed Box... With the figure helped in place like they do with Barbie... On a Carboard Insert and VASTLY REDUCED PLASTIC WASTE!
I make no bones about it... I personally believe that Hasbro were DELIBERATE in taking the "Less Plastic Packaging" to its most EXTREME conclusion to het fans and collectors to protest against Environmentalists!!! They KNEW there was a Middle ground that would not be perfect but would be better received ... Jesus, When most of us moan about Waste Plastic, We are taking about GROCERIES being wrapped in Plastic Bags despite being BOXED, or even NATYRALLY PROITECTED such as Fruit and Vegetables (Why is my BOXED Frozen Pizza placed on an Excess cardboard Tray I am going to Bin and WRAPPED IN PLASTIC!? Don't tell me its to keep the topping on as I have already seen other Frozen Pizzas that JUST USE A BOX!)
Honestly I feel like this is Hasbro finally getting called out for trying to save a quick buck with the plastic free packaging.
By who?
I still don’t understand why hasbro thought open boxes was ever a good idea. I would’ve taken straight cardboard than headless figures all over the place.
ok. give it half a second to that returned "blitzwing" and how the hands-guns are still there anyway...
I'm perfectly fine with the end of this; even if returns aren't a thing here, managerial meddling needs to be ostracized when it goes against both the item well being and the market team structurated answer of why it is a bad idea
hot take. i'm ok with the new box its more eco friendly i would 100000 times go with the open box if its better for the earth but yeah the heads can get lost i just wish there can be a middle ground
I've seen too many damaged or missing heads bots also the figure swaps that are blatantly obvious. A lot of the swaps are the retail employees are not paid enough to care about it
plastic free packaging is annoying when you like to keep boxes for storing. It makes me wish clamp-shells were still being used.
As a collector Im happy that toys will have plastic boxes again, but I think that this means also the price is gonna be higher for them, like 40 for deluxe ect. Maybe Im wrong, maybe not, but I definitely can see them doin it. And there is also question how much they will highering their toy prices, until people stops buying them because the price will be too expensive for ordinary people with families and houses and taxes and... to afford. Cause even if we love this hobby of buying transformers, marvel legends, star wars etc., how many of you got into trouble with your parents, partners, because of WASTING A ENORMOUS CHUNK OF MONEY FOR TOYS. Cause even if a lot of you dont see it that way, they are just toys, ment to be played with, ment to broke, ment to be throw out to thrash and ment to just take money from you. I know many of you, us, are gonna say but its what we love its part of us and da da da, but as an adult with own family, kids, house, dog, car, it's not very logical to spend that much money for a just toy. If it would be affordable like 10 15 20 years ago for deluxe 8usd, voyage 17usd and leader 30usd OK that is great price, but that wont happend cause of inflation and many other fske crap. So Im asking HOW MANY OF YOU ARE WILLING TO THROW MONEY OUT OF WINDOW JUST FOR TOY, AND WHAT PRICE POINT IS YOUR STOP POINT WHEN YOU SAY ok Im done not buyin or hoe many of you would say ok If Im not able to afford this Im gonna steal it, or steal money form your parents partners friends etc. for JUST A TOY.
I stole an Among Us figurines and that had plastic.
Sup, 😊 have a great day TJ, Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, Praise God.
Fans don’t understand PET plastic. They’re gonna cry when the plastic window’s literally starts breaking down and disintegrating in about 5-10 years.
Like if closed boxes where any better 😂
Finally!
World it kick hasbro to bring back alt mode packaging? Aren't they learning their lessons? It's a pain in the aft. How? Head theft is one, closed door box stolen stores. If the toy gets bought in box with no window it was either a not worth $50 cereal or stolen toy not returned. Someone can take a shot everytime i say #bringbackaltmodepacking.
should we have less plastice waste, yes. but this was a finanical dicision masquerading as an environmental decision
Who cares!! If it got the same result what does it matter?
@@Arufonsa1 its called greenwashing. it matters
@@sabregunner1 Ok, please elaborate. Because from the perspective I can see, any bit would be at least something regardless of intent. If this is false I’m more than willing to concede to your point.
@@Arufonsa1 Greenwashing, also called "green sheen", is a form of advertising or marketing spin in which green PR and green marketing are deceptively used to persuade the public that an organization's products, aims and policies are environmentally friendly.
Basically they did an "environtmental" thing but it they did it for financial reasons. aka to be cheaper for them to make and not for actual environmental impact
It is entirely the intent behind it that is the issue. Yes they should put less plastic in their packaging but it wasnt for the benefit of the environment
@@sabregunner1 I think that’s fair and quite obvious. I would never make the claim Hasbro was altruistic. But I don’t think this answers the question. Regardless of intent it’s still less plastic. It’s less use of a finite resource. So what really is the issue? You are right. They are spin doctoring a cost saving measure. So what if the result is the same?
First time viewer great video
but i thought Hasbro were ethical
I don't bother collecting Transformers anymore because of a few things including the packaging, I wouldn't be able to see what I'm about to pay for, I'm just collecting Doctor Who figures now I think they're better to collect than Transformers sorry
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Fk Hasbro..done with mainline figures...it's been over 3yrs since I purchased any
I haven't bought since 2019 for siege megatron.
We don't need more plastic. This is not good.
Ar the end of the day I feel like most of it was virtue signaling. Once Hasbro realized people weren’t caring about it as much and there were serious complaints about the vandalism they bring it back.
Ah, I wondered when somebody was going to use that nonsensical phrase "virtue signalling". Well done. You win a billion internet points.