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John Howard dismisses ‘absurd’ idea of an Indigenous treaty
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2023
- Former prime minister John Howard has dismissed the “absurd” idea of an Indigenous treaty, insisting treaties are only made with sovereign nations.
“We don’t have treaties with bits of ourselves, and it only has to be stated to be realised as a complete absurdity,” he told Sky News host Sharri Markson.
Keep Mayo and Reed as far from Government money as possible, the bludging grubs.
And Labia THORPE
They have a clear Marxist agenda
Also Pearson and Burney.
And Marcia Langdon
These weasels have greased then skids all the way to the top..
Vote
NO
To apartheid
Government need to stop wasting money on dividing us should be using it to make all Australians lives better,that's the governments job they work for us we don't work to serve there agendas
The Voice is part of a road map in the Uluru statement - This is what the Prime Minister, Linda Burney and the ABC don't want you to see - Makarrata (payback) is mentioned on 5 pages (on pages 1, 7, 21, 22 and 23). Here's an example passage "Makarrata is the culmination of our agenda." "We seek a Makarrata Commission to supervise a process of agreement making between governments and first nations". Reparations are mentioned on two pages (pages 12 and 26) "A TREATY could include a proper say in decision making, the establishment of a truth commission, REPARATIONS, a financial settlement (such as seeking a PERCENTAGE OF GDP), the resolution of land, water and resources issues, recognition of authority and CUSTOMARY LAW". What is the strategy, in the words of Thomas Mayo “presenting the strategy going forward, which was simply that, first we would pursue a VOICE so that we could have the best possible say on the makarrata commission”.
what you mean I can stab them in the leg with my spear is that covered by medicare?
Exactly. The voice is code for 'nation' then treaty agreements, because changing the constitution for a committee does not make sense, you can't put an ethnic group into parliament who can veto legislation etc and take things to the high court as it stands now.
The red flag is 'constitutional change' that says everything about voting No.
This is what the PM is pretending like he's never read it. So he can pretend like he's as suprised as the rest of us what has been voted into power. Sounds like just the bloke you want in charge of a country. Too busy to read one of the most significant changes to our law ever.
100% agree. It is all documented and detailed in the pages of the FOI release.
I urge everyone to read the Dialogue minutes, then read the full Uluru Statement. Pay careful attention to pages 17 and 18 of the Uluru Statement, which reveals WHY the voice and makarrata (treaty) were even selected for the Uluru Statement Summary. It is very concerning stuff, including all the suggestions around GDP and so on.
And I quote (page 17): "A constitutionally entrenched Voice to Parliament was a strongly supported option across the Dialogues. It was considered as a way by which the right to self-determination could be achieved".
And concerning the justification of selecting "treaty" (earlier defined as "Makarrata") (page 18): "The pursuit of Treaty and treaties was strongly supported across the Dialogues. Treaty was seen as a pathway to recognition of sovereignty and for achieving future meaningful reform for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples. Treaty would be the vehicle to achieve self-determination, autonomy and self-government."
The entire point is the establishment of first nations autonomous states, and the voice simply is their constitutional anchor and communication channel to parliament.
Vote No
perpetual reparation's for life linked to the GDP , and throw in a treaty too. Yeah that will fix it but only for the select few who dont even have to prove their bloodlines . Looking forward to that little tax hike( nope) , and I bet that tax exemption will be thrown in for good measure for the select few , why they may never have to work again a day in their life. How good is that ? This in addition to the billions that is already spent out of GDP solely for aboriginal society , health and welfare .
Vote NO!!!
vote NO.
Its a no for me
My son's school are making noises about an apology ceremony and I've made it very clear to him that he hasn't done anything wrong and you don't apologise for other people's wrongdoings. Like John says, you can regret what happened, but can't take responsibility. He won't be apologising.
Look at the contrast between John Howard and Albo... The gap is that of a world leader and an obstinate child.
More like between a leader and a total wrecking ball.
This man knows what he is talking about. Australia please listen to him!!! Don’t make the same mistakes as Canada did. Canada is horrible stinking mess!!l
As is New Zealand, for the same reason
Oh hell no!!! He couldn’t tell the truth if his life depended on it! He personally ended an investigation into known paedophiles simply because they were government employees ie politicians!!!
Anyone that protects paedophiles & throws children under a bus does not deserve respect or protection from the public! Especially not paid for by the public, put him in jail & let him find out how they deal with paedophiles like him!!!
He doesn't know shit.
I never thought the day would come that I would be a agreeing with, John Howard, but I do 100% wholly and solely good to hear someone tell the truth about this vote
I believe what he says in this specific interview about the voice is basically correct, and I agree with it. This is no way absolves him from any other sins he has committed...
Agreed never a supporter of Howard but he was correct in not uttering the word sorry and on this he is 100% correct.
Same,I've always respected him however and when he was pm Australia was well represented
There hasn't been a pm of his calibre for some time now
I agree with all he said about the voice.Children at school are being indoctrinated too and asked to pressure parents to vote yes.Some recently had to do a project apologising for stealing indigenous land.
I’m voting no
Don’t know a lot about Howard
But I’m definitely voting no
He took all our guns away. He's out of touch (judges and press aren't corrupt lol) but at least he's a No
Treating someone better or worse because of the color of the skin breeds prejudice!!!!! Does no one see this?
Not even by the colour of their skin, but on their own word they have Aboriginal ancestry. They never mention the fact that there are already many special departments receiving $billions++++ for them.
We do it based on bender.
Easy guess why half the population is OK with that prejudice
@@josmith1815 Do you mean gender?
@@annviolet4727 yes
Australians, be thankful you can vote on this, and reject it. Although we have never had any day in it whatsoever, here in NZ we already have a race-based nation - all government departments, schools, universities are now pushing Māori superiority and privilege. The health system has been told to prioritise Māori patients over everyone else. Māori language is being pushed everywhere - never with any translation. There was a treaty here but it is now interpreted by Māori activists and their leftist, Labour, supporters to apparently mean that everyone else now needs to compensate all Māori financially forever. For your children’s sake, vote No or you will end up with the same sort of apartheid we have here.
Howard's Marbo fears were exaggerated? 50% of the entire country of Australia is under native title. 2.5% of the country's population control half the country's land. Howard was spot on.
Brit here. Please don't divide yourselves and set the parts of yourself against each other (as they have in the US). "Racial politics" belongs in the past with the National Socialists, we fought a war together to get rid of crap like that.
Exactly
Yep. And these leaches are pretty much exactly the same enemy with exactly the same ideologies, which will prove exactly as grotesque as disastrously all of us as they always have.
The same thing same BS only arguably much much worse, quite objectively actually (with a track record and body count [both of individual people and Nations destroyed] allready in their wake FAR FAR FAR outdoing that of the German nazis) as these pricks are Marxists... aka International Socialists as opposed to National Socialists.
The main difference and only real reason they even fought each other. (Eg Hitler and stalin)
Two rabid bloodthirsty power-mad rats fighting over the same bit of cheese... the cheese that is global domination and enslavement
.
The only main difference is nazis wanted their own Nation/People/Party to conquer, enslave and rule the world...
and the marxists or internazis, globalists or whatever you want to call them have no national loyalty and aim to infiltrate, infest, corrupt, conquer and destroy, then control ALL Nations from within like the leeches and virus that they are... and the whole world through that tactic.
And believe me these are cold blooded, cunning, calculated, crafty c_nts with zero integrity or honour or compassion or conscious left who are very skilful and practiced at what they do and there's literally NO limit to what they'll do and no low they'll not dig a bottomless pit under to get their own filthy way and achieve their horrible goals.
I mean global bioterrorism and releasing dangerous modified pathogens to murder countless people, families, others, fathers, grandparents, children and terrorise, lock up whole nations in their homes, stomp over all their rights and persecute them horribly.....no problem to these mf's, obviously! Expect more of that to come no doubt, as worked too well.
Start world wars and/or all out nuclear exchanges between Nations and global powers, full of people much alike who would be good friends and allies without them (and well, alive) yeah, why not? Easier to control and enslave a population of survivors and sickly, radiated people in a nuclear wasteland than a prosperous Nation with a full population of healthy, strong, wise radiant people.
Anyway, I imagine anyone who got this far got the point.
Sadly though, most won't til its too late .
But good news in the end God wins, the good guys win.... and they're truly the ultimate losers of losers! And will face true perfect justice and suffer it, infinitely worse then anything they or their puppetmaster ever did, will or could dish out..... infinitely worse, and there won't be any relief, escape, mercy, hope, or end to it!
Spot on !
Absolutely! I wish that we had John Howard as our now Prime Minister. The others pale into insignificance next to him. He's for democracy & fair ness. Regards.
@@robynhewett2813 Those two things are anathema to the modern left.
The voice is nothing but a shakedown on every Non Indigenous person in Australia.
And the majority of indigenous ones too!
They don't care about the indigenous people personally and their welfare and issues. The voice if got in is not there to help everyday aboriginal people.
This is what they are trying to push to Australians through the yes campaign by going on about supporting the indigenous people etc... it is all fluff .
That is exactly what it is. Nothing but unbridled parasitism dressed up as some sort of owed liability. They want to turn every non-indigenous person into a slave to their demands - so we have to pay for their idleness, drunkenness, violence, painted dancing & domestic violence. Australia has spent $b's on Aborigines and continues to do so without effect. It's on them, not on us anymore. If Australia was colonized by any other European or Asiatic power, the only place you'd find out about an Aborigine would be in some dank dusty corner of a museum that was only open a half day on Wednesdays, during the summer time. Vote NO.
It is a protection racket. In essence, it is a bureaucracy which has to justify itself by perpetually creating new negative narratives about non-Aboriginals, and using these to extract more resources from them. It is a weapon designed to harm and insult people who mean the Aboriginal people no harm, and who have freely supported them financially and symbolically.
The simple answer is for every Aussie to identify as indigenous, after all if men can identify as women and vice versa unchallenged then same must go for race.
Great man John..
As an immigrant that legally came to this wonderful country Australia 🇦🇺🇦🇺 20+ years ago, I was so surprised when I got here how much aboriginal and torres strait islanders were entitled to and got, compared to other Australians, and still today after all this time and money thrown at them, still there seems to be a problem. Maybe the solution is to treat all Australians equal, no special treatment based on race and see how quickly all these problems get solved. This song sums up why I’m voting NO against apartheid!!
We are one, But we are many, And from all the lands on earth we come, We'll share a dream, And sing with one voice
I am, you are, we are Australian 🇦🇺.
Can we do the same for gender, or are we ok with discrimination that we choose.
Go home
Exactly and still do yet I was born here Celtic Scandinavian background with disabilities and the government took away my NDIS community access funding using Covid as an excuse even though it was granted more than five years ago. It’s totally criminal I’m discriminated against for my disabilities and always have been
We also need to restore womens sex based rights
@Dancestar1981 what sex based rights?
Are we not all equal or are we openly admitting waman want supremacy now?
I knew waman were going to fight hard to remain a protected class.
it's funny we should trust Politicians, on the gay marriage plebiscite they promised protections for religious freedoms and afterwards a senate enquire recommended the same protections yet there are no protections the some of people who ticked the yes box on good will were ignored do people want to be ignored again?
I love the concept of "truth telling", does this mean the Fred ALBO Flintstone will finally tell the truth about the voice?
Noooooo, that's not what 'truth telling' means at all!
Your dreaming
😉@@BatteryCommander
Truth telling is where the indigenous try and justify leaving the Australian commonwealth and the Crown to set up their own sovereign states with their own laws, schools, etc, and then get paid a % of GDP.
They'd better sing loudly because it'll be a hard sell.
The concerning part is the "treaty" (Makarrata) which is considered "...the vehicle to achieve self-determination, autonomy and self-government." (Uluru Statement, page 18), doesn't need to be voted for. It will just be implemented and there won't be a single thing that anyone will be able to do about it, because if the yes vote gets up, the spot in the constitution will be ready for it to slot into.
No.
The most important 12 minutes spoken in the last 12 months in our country.
For all those companies who supported the voice. If the referendum was to also vote that all board member and Directors have to pay 75% tax to pay for reparations I would vote Yes.
And a 30% quota of directorships per company in the asx 500 within the first year. Otherwise massive fines and possible liquidation.
YES 100% for people who suffer so much under white evil ppl.Give all rights to them as humans. No BS about land. Only let Aboriginals to learn they History ,to work for they people for better,work for Australia and thay people together
Well said Mr Howard.Just plain truth and commonsense !
Where he came from go back
likePORTarthur
I love 💕 We don't make treaty with our selves !!
We should listen to Howard more often.
Thank you Mr. Howard you are a man of good reasoning .
I agree don't apologise for something you didn't do.
You can regret that they happened. That's makes sense.
I also voted No to same sex marriage I believe marriage should be between a man and woman. Call me old fashion but there's a good reason why it was ordained that way.
If sense was that common, we wouldn't have people like Paul Keating, Mark Latham and Lydia Thorpe
Absolute legend. Never apologise. This man could still lead this country with his eyes closed better than the goose we have now.
How the hell did we end up here hahaha wtf is going on
No he couldn't. He was the goose that led us to the ridiculous cost of living through high house prices and mass migration we are dealing with now in the first place.
@@wades9327 "...led us to the ridiculous cost of living through high house prices and mass migration". How, what did he do about increasing housing prices? Mass migration has been feature since the 90s. Both parties are onboard with that policy as that's the only way they grow the economy. They lack the imagination to try something else.
@@Rn-pp9et "Mass migration has been feature since the 90s." Yeah, since Howard was in power. Howard gave a once in a lifetime mining boom to the upper class to spend on investment housing. Howard is absolutely to blame for the mess we are in.
@@wades9327 agreed. This just makes all the woke types saying Howard was a racist are ludicrous.
Immigration exploded under Howard as you said.
As a former Labor voter my trust in Labor has been utterly obliterated these last few years. I’m keen to see some party with integrity who wants freedom and equality for all Australians to step up and reinstate some sense of normalcy. Sadly I also see the liberals going the way of Labor, they have been infected to some extent as well. I can only see one nation as that last bastion.
People need to start voting independent mire, 2 party system all works together
I totally agree with you labour have lost their way .
@@russelljarman8986 no labor has NEVER lost their way, you are just now seeing their true colours!
One nation are a fringe party on a good day. They will soon be extinct. Good riddance to bad rubbish
Independent is the new voice of the people. The labor party couldn't give two hoots about the working class.
Now there’s a former PM who possesses wisdom, intelligence, and the ability to speak in a manner that shows he listens well, and respects everyone. Compare him to the current clown in the lodge ! I can’t believe Albo is the PM of Australia…he is an intellectual lightweight who is in every aspect so incredibly incredibly ordinary, and wholly unqualified to hold his position.
Cry me a river. Howard is only brought out of cryogenic storage when they know they don't have a chance. Yesterday's zero.
@@Poorlineforeva that's pretty harsh Shaun. I'm a liberal voter (generally) but tip my hat to Keating & Hawke for what they achieved & how they led Australia.
@@blox82 Howard achieved the war on terror that continues today. Belongs in jail for war crimes.
@@Poorlineforeva I take it you don't disagree with anything he said, since you're only attack is on the man.
@@Poorlineforevabest PM this country has had , but then again he didn’t have much competition. Gillard. Keating. Rudd. If you think they were good leaders your head needs to come out of the ground. Leadership means making the right decisions for the country, not the party or popularity, and Rudd only got in on the popularity vote thanks to people like Rove.
One thing that has stuck with me since i was in primary school. Each day when i would go to school the non- indiginous kids used to have to sit out on the playground (even during winter) while a breakfast was held every day for the indiginous kids and i always wondered why, then when i got into highschool i remember wanting to join the school rep netball team but couldnt because my parents couldnt afford the ongoing costs yet the indiginous kids were sponsored by the school to do it. I now have my own children and they go off to school on Friday and the breakfast is still held for indiginous only. It displays a very them and us mentality, the division between indiginous and non-indiginous is very real the non-indiginous really do still pay for the sins of their ancestors. Instead of the government encouraging segregation they really need to put all this tax payer money into uniting the generations to come not keep allowing the indiginous to continue to be victims
Whilst I can see that seems unfair, we also need to peel another layer back or ask more questions. If they weren't getting fed at home or didnt have the resources, its a good encouragement or incentive for indigenous people to come to school right? However, if there is also Australians who are in poverty and cant afford the food/breakfast why not them also? I can see both sides of the argument - I think there is more disadvantages inherently for indigenous atleast thats the perception due to statistics and the gap.
@@BrandyMullens I can see both sides of the argument however I work in child protection and whilst I recognise disadvantage in indiginous communities I see daily that non-indiginous kids from every nationality are also disadvantaged beyond belief. Instead of creating a segregated society of them and us why can't we work towards creating an Australia that works with us all as united Australians while still preserving indiginous culture, I feel people would be much more immersed in indiginous culture if they didn't feel as though being white made you a redneck outcast racist.
We can still condemn the past without having to pay the price over and over and over, do they want to move forward? Or keep themselves in victimhood forever? The reason there is generational trauma is because their parents and their parents parents keep them in victimhood through generations believing that it is everyone elses fault
We need a non-indigenous voice and fight for equality for the whites
@@janusjones6519 or we stop separating Australians by race, put the foot down and say everyone under one flag the rules apply to all or none
@@BrandyMullens You're implying that only Indigenous people have struggles. Many other minorities struggle, have to suck it up and make something of themselves.
Damn! Listening to him speak makes me understand that we only truly realise what we had once it's gone😢 great wise leader. ❤ Vote no
Maybe some wisdom happens to us all with age. He has his PM salary for life. He no longer has to toe the party line to maintain power so he can speak freely. He was a ruthless leader who smashed the working man's rights to little pieces. He's a nice old man now just like the Bush's in the US. Nice old men after the fact. Never forget.
@@paulholmes8398 Paul, the wisdom is in the logic of his principles which were displayed during his time as PM. For example; you can't (& should not) apologize for the sins of others, you can't have a treaty with your own citizens, constitutional change should only happen after broad consultation & a convention - these are all principles now completely absent from the current pack of low quality federal ministers, Albo in particular. its sad to reflect on this degradation in principles by our leaders.
@@blox82Yeah so wise he forcibly disarmed the Australian People and stomped on their God-given right and duty to defend themselves and their Families and loved ones. Helping to pussi-fy a generation of men , emboldening the crims and enemies, and opening the floodgates for the leftist communist scurge and the inevitable Police Nanny State and big government corruption, overreach and tyranny. Which anyone with a functional mind, conscience and eyes to see has seen on open display these last years and will only see more and worse.
Hence, for this and plenty more, f_ck john howard the weasly little sell- out traitor pos. I don't care what he thinks or says and can't believe a word or it anyway as he's proven what his words worth.
@@paulholmes8398 There is definitely some truth to what you say...
@@blox82 ...and also truth to what you say.
I’m just pissed on how much money is spent on this, I heard $100+ million on this, that could of went to housing, cost of living, inflation etc. no let’s spend it on a pointless referendum
Mate, not $100m. They spent in excess of $300M!
True but they could have just run it through parliament and not let us vote
the last good prime minister Australia had
Deyyy took our jerrrrbsssssss
Tony Abbott.
I wish he was back as PM.
Same
I don't he was the one who introduced all the payments family benefits bribes that fueled the mess were in financially going forward Abbot was a better PM even though he was a C word he toughed it out and stuck to his principles
No he took our guns and raised taxes while selling off Qantas and telstra commbank 😮
@@gppsoftware amen to that, however, I do believe next election Andrew Hastie could take over and really make a positive influence in people’s lives
Well,if he was we would not be having all the problems we have been facing for so long and we wouldn't be having a referendum to divide the country!!!
... i will never board a Qantas plane again.... i will not have this rot shoved down my throat.
What a very smart articulate man John Howard is.
It is ILLEGAL for any corporation to spend shareholder money on advocate causes.
The CEO and Directors should all be sacked instantly, and arrested.
The CEO is employed to invest shareholder funds, and maximise the return relative to risk.
To do otherwise means they are STEALING shareholder funds.
Where is ASIC? Why aren't they doing their job? Why aren't the police acting?
Why do the police never seem to act on serious matters, but only seek to inflict the governments will upon the people.
We saw that during COVID when the various chiefs of police showed utter disdain to their own citizens.
Trueeeeeeeeeeeeee. Trueeeeeeeeeeeeee. Trueeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Never liked him, but in such times I have to agree with old Johnny.
Never be blinded just because you are not a fan.
No! This was never about equality.
Well said.The last of the Australian Statesmen…..
Got rid of those rifles and all that ammunition. Best thing any PM has ever done.
Hitler, Stalin and Mao would agree!
@@jimbo43ohara51Uneducated comment.
We have more rifles in private hands now than we did before 96
“No one owns the water.
No one owns the lands.
No one owns the oceans.
No one owns the sands.
These are given by our Mother.
Our planet provides for free.
Only by hands of the greedy
Does the Earth require a fee.”
Poet Christopher
Well said Mr Howard. How come more former Prime Ministers are no standing up to this nonsense. Thank you for your service 🇦🇺
Apart from Mr Howard,what do you think the living ones would say @greatpar ? Regaurd's and I know what you mean.
Tony Abbott has been just as vocal about this crap called 'the Voice to Parliament' & has said over & over he will not vote for something that we don't need & will tear this country apart.
Dividing people by race is the latest trend. It's happening in the USA, the UK, New Zealand as well as Australia. The ultimate aim is a global government, which requires all independent nations to be divided against themselves.
Best ever PM Australia has ever had unlike the current thing
Isn't this the guy who basically outlawed and confiscated tons of guns from law-abiding Australians?
I couldn’t agree more
I’m his day with Peter Costello as treasurer I and my family never lived better!
Here, here!
Yeah and lost the elction and his seat. He was a clown. Never had a decent policy for ordinary Australians. He only served big business.
@@mrbrightside4278 He was definitely one of the worst things to happen to Australia.
Thank you Mr Howard. We need another prime minister like you with wisdom, intelligence and integrity. Sadly they no longer exist.
Integrity ? - are you on drugs, children overboard, NT intervention, war in Iraq, Spying on east Timor, the lists is endless, Thee most divisive disgusting & racist man to ever walk those corridors.
He started mass immigration. I will never forgive him for that.
You are Absolutely Correct, in my opinion.
People, PLEASE, write NO on the ballot paper, NO TICKS or CROSSES, let your vote be unabiguous. WRITE NO!
That’s what I’m worried about.. we have so many immigrants now who can’t speak English and I’m worried they can’t write NO.. and those counting it might see a YES.. AND NOT A BIG FAT NO..
im thinking of writing "F--K NO, Piss off!" 🤣
I’m voting NO so a treaty can be pushed through an advisory body is not enough we need native title, reconciliation, change of invasion day, land returned to traditional owners so it’s a NO from me 100
the vote will be rigged , and we will be a communist run shithole like south africa
why??
He is not wrong.
Most people are not deep thinkers. He certainly is.
Children overboard.
I've always held a very unpopular opinion. Aboriginals were so far behind technologically that any of the worlds nation states that turned up essentially would have taken the whole place as the Brits did, with one big difference. Just about all of them didn't have the same pompous "make the world as good as us" perspective. Many of them just would have killed the aboriginals on sight and just expanded or as a very minimum straight up slavery.
I don't have to just make this position up as the conduct of the seafaring nations is well documented historically. The Spaniard conquest of the Americas is probably one of next least damaging invasions and that was pretty horrific by British standards. The Dutch East India company would just turn places in to slave camps and extract everything of value.
The reality is that the Aboriginals got a very light hand compared to what was being doled out elsewhere. The technological divergence between invader and locals is a key determining factor in how well\poorly the native population is treated. Stone age people always came off worse.
No, I'm not saying this are 'justified' but asking us, todays people who are mostly migrants or people that had nothing to do with anything here is clearly not about recognizing harm done but entirely about grabbing some cash. Go speak to the new migrant citizens and try to work out how you would justify it.
The only reason this is 'in government' is because you can't have a lawsuit against dead people and hence, can't get cash. Go look at indigenous people of the world at what happens to their lives and communities on "free cash". The outcome is always alcohol, trash literacy and unemployment.... of course and without needing to survive and struggle and excel in life, whats the purpose of it?
comparing situations does nobody any service. Australia's unique environment governed everything about the lives & ability to survive on the land for the people at a stone age level. Remember it's an island. The brits are freemasons - there's the main issue - harvesting of humanity was the real purpose.
>Many of them just would have killed the aboriginals on sight and just expanded or as a very minimum straight up slavery.
90% of Aboriginals were wiped out by smallpox. Of the remaining 10%, many were killed on sight, children were taken from their families. Men were killed and women were raped, forced to have white children.
The genetic genocide that Aborigines have suffered are second to none. Their genetic diversity as been permanently fucked, and their culture has been irreversibly trampled and categorised to museums. Their grave-sites have been dug up with their bones on display in museums around the world, as if they were neanderthals.
They were classified as Fauna/Flora until 1967. The same spirit that allowed this to be changed is the same spirit that the voice is unfortunately failing to meet.
For an intelligent person this makes a lot of sense, they are lucky.
NO NO NO HELL NO
Scary when he speaks sense. Only just found out about the voice. At first I was thinking it was something good. Then I started to see what it really was.
We are all human beings.
Linda Burney, Tomas Mayo an Albosleasy arnt human, their power drunks. Rest of us are human. Vote no NSW
However, some among us are just plain evil with dangerous hidden agendas. Great care has to be taken when ANY proposal is put forward to make change to the only document protecting our rights and freedoms - our Constitution (which already covers those rights for ALL Australians, including the aborigines)!
Echoing every single syllable, Mr Howard.
Wall to wall labor, and have they helped aboriginals? Have they helped ANYONE? Is your electricity cheaper? Do you trust them to change the constitution?
One of the Best Prime Ministers Australia ever had .Great interview John Howard👏👏🇦🇺🇦🇺
not perfect, at times downright shit. But he was relatively honest for a polly all things considered and risked political death by changing the gun laws.
After George W Bush and Tony Blair both were forgotten by history for their involvement that war - how does Howard keep a straight face?
I never thought that I would agree with anything that John Howard said but I have to admit that I agree with him on this occasion.
Same with me.
I don’t agree with his refusal to say sorry but I do agree with him on this occasion
What a legend! I miss politicians with common sense , integrity and courage to speak what they truly think.
Just like he said there will be ‘NO’ GST! Liar liar pants on fire!
Come off it - not relevant at ALL - and a mere blip on the long-ago radar anyway compared to this now treacherous and absolute THREAT to Australia and our Constitutional rights!
Labor did all the studies for the GST, 🟩 bob brown kept the GST off fresh food. Yes, Howard brought it in. But, our 10% GST is the one of the fairest in the world. Pre GST poor people paid 22.5% sales tax on their coke & chocolate!
Eat fresh food and pay no tax!
You make treaties with enemies so I will always regard anyone who wants a treaty with Australia as an enemy.
More concerning is that we have a PM now in office who fully supports this absurd 'treaty' concept being made law between one set of Australians and the rest! That's the sort of agenda that will engender civil war!
Ludicrous one nation one flag 🇦🇺
There’s more then one flag that represents Australia
@@timecapsuleearth2960 No, there isn't and NEVER has been.
Just call every person living here as Aboriginal ( then problem solved ) - we are all one people then!
He's kidding ! Him and his GST totally moronicly absurd too. The country was never the same ! Yeh, The Voice is absurd though, I agree on that.
A NO sounds good to me.
So you ask a royalist whether natives to any colonial country should gain recognition and they will tell you NO. Long live the King. Little Johny is no exception and as demonstrated in the past that he will shamelessly lie through his teeth for his imperial cause. Remember the Mabo map, did that happen. Children overboard, no GST the list is long.
How about we deal with this CURRENT and WORST ever threat to Australia's Constitution first, instead of trying to cause further division by referring to long-ago and FAR less serious, already-decided (and unrelated) issues? Let's focus on the blatant LIES, DECEPTION and UTTER CONCEALMENT so BLATANTLY and AGGRESSIVELY presented to the Australian people in this now most serious of matters, but being attempted to be 'snuck in' under our noses - the only MAJOR threat Australia has had since its Federation!
This letter was written by an ordinary Australian (who shall remain nameless) about ‘The Voice' referendum. I believe it probably sums up pretty well the views of the 'quiet Australians' who don't answer telephone polls and remain quiet for fear of being accused of being racist:
I was born in Australia fifty-four years after the Australian Commonwealth was formed in 1901. Australia is my country as much as it is the country of any other person who was born here.
I haven’t stolen anyone's land. I have purchased legal title to the land I own and have paid it off with the sweat of my brow. To be forced to pay a reparation tax as rent or a special land tax on my land is abhorrent to me.
My paternal grandfather was shot through both legs fighting to defend this nation; my great-grandfather was killed by a shell in the same struggle. My maternal grandfather and two great uncles on both sides gave up four years of their lives to defend Australia against the Germans, who had colonised New Guinea, New Britain, New Ireland, Bougainville and Samoa. Twenty-five years later, the Japanese invaded these countries. My mother served in Bougainville, patching up Aussies who had been shot by the Japanese. My father and two paternal/maternal uncles gave up six years of their lives to fight off the Germans and Japanese, with Dad spending three-and-a-half years as a POW in Germany and coming back weighing eight stone.
Every road, building, home, farm, mine, school, hospital, airport, port, railroad, city and town that exists in Australia was built by European settlers and their descendants. Hunter/gatherer Aborigines built nothing prior to 1788 and have contributed very little to modern Australia. Their hunter/gatherer lifestyle became redundant after European farming and technology arrived here and as the benefits of the first and second industrial revolutions spread through the 19th and 20th centuries. Today, no one in the world chooses to live a hunter/gatherer lifestyle.
Now that the Australian nation has been developed, some aboriginal activists want to take control of it. They are not content to have an equal say in government with the rest of us Australian citizens. They claim they deserve more power, in perpetuity, because some of their ancestors were born here prior to 1788. They label anyone who disagrees with them a racist. What chutzpah!
As currently proposed, 'The Voice' is a blatant con job to replace the government of the people, by the people, for the people, with a race-based veto on everything we do. This will be exercised by twenty-four unelected Aboriginal activists supposedly representing the 3% of the population who claim Aboriginal descent. The effective veto comes from the power of the Voice to delay or hinder the government through the threat of litigation.
Votes in parliament will be traded for the support of the Voice in return for other programs or legislation favourable to the activists who dominate the Aboriginal Voice. In this way, the Voice will be a shadow government able to make demands of the executive, the parliament, the public service and independent statutory offices and agencies not available to any other Australian citizens. It offends the crucial democratic principle that everyone should be equal before the law.
Less than one-third of the 3% of the population who claim Aboriginal descent are living dysfunctional lives in remote areas. We Australians spend $39.5 billion each year trying to fix this problem. The solution is straightforward, although not easy. These Aboriginals need to limit their alcohol intake, provide a stable environment for their kids, and ensure they go to school. Do this every day for twenty years, and the gap between the dysfunctional Aboriginals and the rest of us will disappear. We don’t need to change our constitution for this to happen.
Not only am I fed up with being welcomed to my own country, I find the implication in the 'Welcome to Country' ceremony and in the proposed 'Voice' that I and my family are somehow not entitled to be here as equal, legitimate Australian citizens offensive and insulting.
I acknowledge the early settlers who came to this land which had stood undeveloped for over 50,000 years and who, in less than two hundred years, transformed it into one of the richest countries on Earth. Together, let’s enjoy and build on the legacy they left us.
Mate, there is literally no part of this referendum which is proposing a "tax" on the land you own. Have you read anything about the proposition?
@@the_yesnt1358Yeah not in this referendum, but it's an avenue they want to explore. You see it all around you, they act like we've taken something from them. They hate us, but make out as though we hate them. Australia day, they whinge about invasion day and how it should be abolished. Anzac day, they whinge that abbos died back in the 1770s and that we should have a day for that. The flag, they already got 2 of their own flags (that exclude majority of Australians) and yet they say the Australian flag is divisive and should be changed. They welcome us to our own country. They country we, and our ancestors built. They crap on "always was, always will be abbos land." The push-over government even sections off parts of the country just for them. And now they want us to start paying extra tax just for them on the land we already own. And they're surprised we voted no.
@@the_yesnt1358Yeah and who is to say that there can't be after its passed, good thing it didnt
@@-psychochomp-4910 Because the parliament would have had a veto power you numnut
That's a lot of words to say you don't like black poeple
No to a racist voice that gives First Immigrants special privileges. The nation shouldn't be divided by race.
While Howard may not be perfect, no one is, we haven't seen a person like him in politics for DECADES. Well, since Howard in fact LOL.
He's intelligent, balanced, with wisdom, considered, and while his background s accounting, he can still be funny too. I have always had the highest respect for him. Which is truly saying something, as I absolutely categorically despise almost every politician since then. There are only a few exceptions.
He is a lawyer
Abbott was probably more despicable than that old right wing fart Howard
In this age of idiocy, we need more voices of reason like Howard
Speaks wisdom , keeps it simple .
He sounds very uneducated esp in the content of colonial history
The last Australian prime minister that cared about the country. It was a dark day when he left office.
Straight to the point. Articulate and insightful. One of the best, most instinctive leader we've had. Great feel for the position of the average Aussie, combined with a deep knowledge of Australian political history. I hated John Howard. Then I grew up, started a business, bought a house, got married and stayed married, and raised and educated three kids. Now I wish he was in charge.
He introduces a COMMUNIST 60 % top rate of tax and Tariff.. when he was our longest serving treasurer
Bankrupted us down the Argentine road...
He was humiliated into having to campaign that he would submit to Keating polices to become PM
No wonder Margret Thatcher had no time for him
When it comes to a voice to parliament how members are elected is less of concern because it is predictable that woke indigenous activists and academics who were members of the former Atsic organisation are likely to be elected where indigenous voices in agreement with Jacinta Price or Warren Mundine are unlikely to be elected to the voice to parliament enough said !
Here is a former Prime Minister who remembers what he said years ago, is articulate and putting across his argument as clearly as he did then. Not like some very cringeworthy other 'leaders' I see on the screen....
And who very wrongly get paid MASSIVE salaries to do it.
Yes he is a former conservative politician who is given a lot of airtime and softball questions on a media channel which is literally anchored by an ex liberal politician. An absolute class leading channel Sky News is.
@@goldenautumn3073 PMs do get a big salary but not massive. CEO's get paid much much more even they fail, millions in fact in 'golden handshakes'! And there are other civil servants who clock up a dollar or two. But, I was actually talking about his skill to grasp issues and communicate clearly. Australians aren't very good at that in general.
A government which does not trust its citizens to be armed is not itself to be trusted. - Niccolò Machiavelli.
Lol.
Only he never said or quoted that. So yeh, load of crap.
Vote NO this is total BS!
If we read the details on the other pages, and the Dialogue minutes, we can understand the real purpose of all of this. Looking at pages 17 and 18 we can understand why "the voice" was specifically selected as an option to include in the Uluru Statement summary. The same can be discovered about why "treaty" (defined as Makarrata) was also selected. These weren't the only options on the table, but these were the ones that aligned best with the "guiding principles" (shown on page 16). But most importantly, these options were the ones that were considered best to lead to "self-determination", and "a pathway to recognition of sovereignty and for achieving future meaningful reform for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples." and "the vehicle to achieve self-determination, autonomy and self-government".
Howard mentions the absurdity of creating a treaty with ones self, and he is absolutely correct. The idea seems to be the formation of one or many sovereign indigenous states, with which a treaty is formed, communicating through the voice to the parliament.
This detail needs to be picked up on more broadly, and the PM needs to be asked these questions specifically.
Let's hope Australians are finally waking up that this 'voice' charade is nothing but a crock of absolute B-S.
Still Australian's most successful politician and it's obvious why.
So much more sense than our current PM. Makes Albo looks like a nervous kid.. 😅😅
Little Johnnie, you are WRONG on 2 points!
First, Abo is NOT a race. You should know there are only 4 races of man, Abo is not one of them.
Next, Abo's are NOT indigenous, they are boat people just like the rest of us, and further they committed genocide on the original inhabitants from New Guinea who walked across the land bridge before it sunk and became the timor straits.
But you are RIGHT on the vote NO proposal.
Yes23 Voice to Parliament, is what happens when the demand for racism, outpaces the supply of racism.
While the Yes vote is collapsing, the question should be asked: how the hell did something so absurd ever gain this level of traction in the first place?
Honestly embracing a group's cultural ancestry to such an aggressive degree, and using this cultural ancestry as an excuse, is clearly pretty racist.
Equally blaming some other culture, and those belonging to this differing cultural ancestry is clearly and unquestionably racist.
Equality, egalitarianism, fairness, justness, and equitability are non-discriminatory, evenhanded, and unprejudiced.
The opinion that the colour of your skin, or the antecedents of an individual are the defining factors is narrow-minded, backwards, bigoted, racist, discriminatory, prejudiced, unfair, and insulting. Yet it's been the dominant thinking in the Australian government, Universities, the Australian media, (particularly the ABC) and general public discourse for decades. This retrogressive, confused, righteous stupidity has to be walked back. Australia will be burning witches again if this level of ‘objectiveness’ and ‘honesty’ continues.
Bring Australia together. Australia is for all Australians equally, with objectivity, fairness, impartiality, and even-handedness.❤🇦🇺🦘
Thank you Mr Howard. Another thing has come to mind, in that, we the Europeans have spent years developing this country, and now we are supposed to GIVE it to people who have in the main done, just my observation, done not very much to bring it to the state which it is in . One case which I was made aware of, is in the 😢Mooree area the one local mob, was given a working cattle station. They over a short period ate all the stock , than walked off the place. Is the same going to happen to Australia????????
Thank God for a little common sense on this absolute RORT of the Australian people.
Albo has opened the Gates of hell upon all Australian's 😈
A voice of reason.
VOTE NO IN WRITING..TO SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION OUR SOVEREIGNITY AND OUR FREEDOMS.! NO WRITTEN IN BLACK INK.!
An absolute champion for the people. One of the greatest, if not the greatest, Prime Ministers to lead our country.
Apartheid was unacceptable in South Africa and it is unacceptable in Australia. No ,means no.
I’m not Australian, but I would say that there is no such thing as “indigenous rights,” there are only the rights of Australian citizens which includes the indigenous peoples.
And that's the way it's ALWAYS been - our CONSTITUTION is what has ensured it! Don't let anyone change the ONLY protection Australians have in regard to their rights and freedoms!!
@@goldenautumn3073 Our constitution is rubbish no way bro 😂
Freedom speech needs legal protection.
And property rights
Im definately voting NO!
they already have multiple agencies and billions of dollars dedicated to indig affairs and they have totally screwed it up already and flushed most of this money through their own pockets. Get out of latte suburb and spend a week in a town dominated by indig families and affairs to see reality. I'm in Geraldton and am appalled by the waste of public funds I have seen for over 30yrs - and this is administered by indigenous groups who fight against each other in a very public manner
This is what happens when power is handed to people that are not ready to take the reins and steer their people with wisdom to a better future.
EXACTLY!
@@jackiemartin9737 You are SO right!
Go Johnny! You have my vote.
I agree Mr Howard. You’re a very wise man.
no vote no consent end governments world wide . time for new ideas on this planet
Absolut 👍we don’t want Budweiser happen in Australia how many Billions have Budweiser lost now 😂😂😂😂👍
Can only wish the same for Qantas. Vote no NSW
Howard is a true legend. He had the top job when i was 6 and made me want to be prime minister 🤣
I was about that young too, and I even respected him back then. The last PM I respected
Youre so funny. A 6 yo respecting the PM@@snitty1996
Same here lol I remember when Johnny left I was only 6 but then kevin07 came along with gills and Abbott and screwed everything
Literally yes. Kevin 07 was the start of a very dark time in Australian politics, exacerbated by Gillard. We have yet to see the light@@ivanmilat3105
We as Australians are about to vote in a referendum
I personally agree 100% with our former longest serving Prime Minister Mr John Howard
his views in my opinion are 100% correct and he makes perfect sense in this interview
No division is good division for any nation… dividing a country based on their original race is the definition of racism no matter what miner personal political gain that it may provide For our current leader
The whole notion is a disgrace and a waste of taxpayers money in such a desperate financial environment
Obviously I will be voting no
My kindest regards
Nigel
WMH Team - Australia
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This man lead a government that said, with regard to the Apology: “it was not responsible for the actions of past governments and that admissions of wrongdoing could open the door to compensation suits”. The was subsequently apology and 15 years later, no such compensation suits. I suggest everyone takes this into account when listening to his views on the suitability of reconciliation measures.
A yes vote is a treaty vote, if you want a future for your children you must vote no
Equal rights for all....vote NO
Well, statistically it’s not equal and incredibly marginalised. It can’t be whole if it was never part… you can use whatever tag lines help bury the deep seated uncomfortableness with something like indigenous acknowledgement. But, if you break into the house make sure you offer a seat at the table.
I really held John Howard in high esteem, an amazing PM who had proved himself as a very good PM - listen to him people for he is truly wise and fair.
Ignorance is bliss!
The Celtic spirit is on the side of demonstrable fairness and freedom.