NS Famous Dutch made double decker EMU
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Hi everyone, welcome to this trip report bound to Rotterdam Central with NS Intercity and their famous double decker VIRM.
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Railway company: NS Intercity
Train type : VIRM
From : Roosendaal to Rotterdam Central
N° of train: Unknown
Duration : 0h38
Price : 11€
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Different seats is due to the lengthening of the trains. It used to be IRM-3 and IRM-4 and they added coaches with new seats (same as the second batch of trains) to form VIRM-4 and VIRM-6 (V=verlengd / lenghtened). The VIRM fourth batch have yet different seats again (blue plus red). So VIRM has 3 kinds of seats, the slippery one you set on being my least favourite.
All VIRM's are getting a makeover and will get the same look/feel/seats as DDZ you reviewed earlier. With faux-leather and bronze details on dours and such, they are really nice! The are named VIRMm with the little m standing for: modernized.
I also like the updated look of the renovated VIRMs, though I will miss the quirky LED lights on the bottom floor. That said, I don't really like the new seats. They are a bit hard and slippery. I prefer the soft blue ones of the VIRM-IV, but that's also harder to clean.
@@ministerievanstudiecollege5788 What I won't miss is the whining noise when they pull up. That was much worse in the past, but the older models occasionally still have it, it seems. My regular (now previous) commuting track was Leiden-Amsterdam, and the service there is still mainly carried out with the oldest stock.
I go (almost) daily to Amsterdam which is mostly with this train. When I see the old and new ones coupled I always choose to the old one. Why? Now is the chance, they will be refurbished/scrapped soon.
3:38 the logic behind the windows would seems to me that they are small and curved to allow a great enough view and light entrance while still giving enough structural support to the body shell of the coach
The top windows are curved to fit European tunnels which are rounded on top and were never planned for double decker passenger rolling stock. Hence the top round shape of these double decker trains.
@@stefanschader856 That's correct, but also because there has to be enough space for the wind to pass the train. In the Hanzelijn (track between Amsterdam and Zwolle) is a tunnel built too small. That means that train have to reduce speed to enter the tunnel and drive trough it. (although the route was built for high speed (200 kmh) trains.
They're the most common train type especially in the western Netherlands where I live. They kinda look like high speed trains on the outside but I don't find them as comfy. Glad you enjoyed the ride though, and you should try the ICM next that mostly runs from the big cities to the east and the north. They're like the ICR and the most comfy trains in the country :) Cheers mate
The most comfy train in Holland is the DB IC Amsterdam - Berlin :D
Marko Obid I don’t think so. Certainly the Thalys to Paris/Disneyland is the most comfy train when starting a trip in Amsterdam Centraal
Those are international trains, which highlights the kinda painful fact that IC trains of other countries are a lot more classy and comfortable than the Dutch ones XD Dutch IC trains are closer to RE/Interregio actually.
@@vyashtuijnman6417 I don't think it's painful. Distances in the Netherlands are shorter and there are many passengers, so high-density trains like this one are suitable for Dutch IC services. The IC train on NS is practically the passenger train with less stops, nothing more than that. Is there any supplement for IC trains on NS?
@Marko The only ''real'' IC's are the ones from the big cities to Leeuwarden, Groningen and Eindhoven, plus the crowded af IC Direct. But its true about the distances, although this train isn't really as ''welcoming'' as, say, the IC2000 in Switzerland or even some Dostos in Germany. Glad they're being refurbished though.
This brought back so many memories. I've been in the Netherlands thrice, and I spent some (definitely not enough) time in Rotterdam on the latter two. The central train station itself is an architectural marvel, not to mention many of the city's metro stations. I really miss you, Rotterdam! :(
“Wow, A modern train with direct flush” em, last I heard these were like 30 years old. Cmon. There’s refurbished versions too you know.
It's hardly as though NS has been an early adopter in this, though. And to an extent you can understand why: changing the tank requires time, which is not always possible with the intensive use this stock sees. But a huge advantage of adopting septic tanks is that now the toilets get an occasional clean too (still not quite up to the level of even the greasiest Belgian commuter train, but still), which wasn't the case previously. I have seen toilets that would make the cast of Trainspotting shudder.
DDZ train are realy old. But much older is the first generation SGM roling stock. Last batch of 5 SGM trains was delivered in 1982.
@@aleksander1982 this isn’t DDZ.
@@aleksander1982 The ICM is from 1977
@@ag6371 actually the only ICMs still in used were all built in the 1980s. The oldest ICMs, built in 1977 as prototypes, have already been taken out of service.
Roosendaal is both a terminus for many national trains and also a stop for international trains to and from Belgium. In Belgium, trains travel on the left (as they do also in France), whereas they travel on the right in The Netherlands. This is why the pattern of crossovers in Roosendaal is particularly complex.
Ik ben VIRMm
The NS VIRM uses Alstom Traction systems. Probably why the Alstom Plaque is there.
Edit: VIRM are some of my favorite dutch stock!
0:16 your typical north European small town station 😃 albeit with amazing NS dutch frequency!! My local station in SE England is pretty much like this!
In my opinion the NS ICM rolling stock is the most photogenic train we have here. The front cab has a iconic look you won't see anywhere else. I hope you had the change to see that one too.
Are those the koplopers? I still preferred them when they still had actual koploop facilities.
An odd title for this channel, it's even confusing.
Nice video! I’m on this type of train very often so it’s not so special anymore, but thanks to these double deckers we don’t have serious capacity issues yet.
I was a bit disappointed when I found out that the modernised type has no power sockets in 2nd class. NS is not an early adopter of those, unfortunately.
My last remark is about the space for bikes. NS doesn’t really want everyone to transport their bikes on the train. During rush hour, it is not even allowed. And the price is not attractive at all; around €7 currently. So it’s just an extra service for those who really need it. But there is a convenient bike rental system available at many trainstations at a cost of €3,85 per day.
Unfortunately, commuter trains are still full of folding bikes to ensure a maximal greasing of pants and sleeves.
Unlike Belgium
Now you need to review the V-IRMm, the modernised V-IRM stock ;)
You will be amazed by the difference!
Weird question, but, does it also have direct flush-access on the toilets?
@@olasola1013 all train toilets in the country work this way
@@samuvisser Oh
The darkness on the lower deck is probably due to some failure: broken light, or some electrical circuit shut down as a precuation of overheating.
or because that the particular carriage is for those wishing to take a rest...
Sadly the last ten years alot has been changed for Roosendaal station. Two international trains switched to the higher speed line and one train to The Hague was changed. Lesser people use this station because of it. Traveling to the big Belgium city Antwerp is 50 min - 60 long for only 34 km and no more train to Brussels.
6:17 that is because the train isn’t really modern, it was built somewhere in the 1980’s or the 1990’s
Not in the 80's. The first ones were build in 1994/1995.
I remember them as a little kid and for me they were the coolest damn trains I've seen, until I saw the Thalys in Amsterdam lol
@@vyashtuijnman6417 They're still a lot better to travel on than a Thalys though, especially with my 1.90 metres.
The double decker trains that operate in Sydney has a huge wrap over window unlike the Tic TAC windows that you mention of the Dutch trains.
Will that train remain graffiti free for long ? Here in Italy brand new trains get plastered ASAP with shitty graffiti.
Yes, Italy is known worldwide for tons of graffiti
@@SimplyRailway Unfortunately we are hostage to moronic vandals.
@@lorenzonotarianni1667 We have those filthy dogs too in the NL. They should be publicly hanged ;-)
A few small corrections. The first generation of the V-IRM were being build from 1994 till 1996 by De Dietrich/Alstom (47 coaches total) and Talbot (till 1995) and Bombardier (from 1995 onwards for 243 coaches total) and were than called DD-IRM, which stands for Dubbeldekker Inter Regio Materiaal (Double Decker Inter Regional Material). After extending the first generation in 2000 they were called V-IRM, which stands for Verlengde Inter Regio Materiaal (Extended Inter Regional Material) or V-IRM 1 (with 1 as the first generation). The second/third generation are from the 2002-2005, fourth generation from 2008-2009. The modernisation of the first generation of V-IRM (V-IRMm) has started in 2016 and you took a non modernised first generation train. The seats in the cabin were first generation, while in the bike area second generation. I don't know why there is a difference, but I do know that there were seats added when they extended the first generation. The coach you entered at 6:19 is one of the coaches that was added on in 2000 when they extended the train.
Correction required: I worked at Talbot until the spring of 1986 and we had delivered the first generation Double Decker Trains for about a year and a half at that time. The windows on the upper deck were down sized after we had structural stability issues on the prototype during the design phase.
@@lotharerkens8154 the trains (or actually traincarriages) you are talking about are the DDM's. Those are the first generation of doubledecker trains, but not the same as the videomaker went on. The DDM's are staight up on the sides and curved on the top. The DD-AR (the follow ups of DDM) were based of the DDM. Both type were mostly ordered to serve local commutertrains. The modernised version is shown on 0:57 and currently is called DDZ. Although it is modernised, the shape of the train you meant is still the same. The DD-IRM (or V-IRM) trains, of which the videomaker has boarded and also shown in this video, are the next generation of doubledeckers following up both DDM and DD-AR. You can see the shape difference at 2:02. Unlike the DDM and DD-AR, the DD-IRM were brought in as intercity trains. There are more differences between the old DD-AR/DDM and the DD-IRM/V-IRM, but that's way to much to put down here. I have been on these trains many times. And I do know the differences.
Beautiful IC
And like the Netherlands very well and the railsystem 🇳🇱😍The people are so friendly
Roosendaal is a bit "special" because it deals with international traffic between Belgium and the Netherlands. It needs lots of extra space to store wagons that aren't in use, there's probably lots of cargo transport that needs extra space (and in the past may have needed more office space for import/export checks), and it has to deal with the differences between Dutch and Belgian technology (3000V in Belgium vs. 1500V in the Netherlands).
are there double decker trains with cabins? if not why not?
2:47 that’s a silence zone, maybe that’s why you didn’t test the seats.
Glad you picked up the beauty of this station. It is old, as Wikipedia (in Dutch) explanes: "In 1907 the building was replaced by the current building to a design by Daniël Knuttel and George van Heukelom. In 1907 a locomotive shed, a signal box, a signal bridge and the customs warehouse were built next to the station building. The locomotive shed still exists as a protected monument. [2] The station building was badly damaged in World War II, after which it was rebuilt in 1949 under the leadership of Sybold van Ravesteyn. The architect largely maintained the 1905 design, but did create a new, more sober entrance building." For the Dutch text see nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_Roosendaal
The direct flush access reminds me about older toilets China Railways passenger cars. They are routinely closed when arriving at stations, in order to prevent causing trouble to stations.
Sadly they are not here... you'll see the shit laying on the tracks. At platform 2 at Amsterdam cs the train waits 30 minutes to terminate, and then you'll have such a situation. It amazes me that the NS is not getting fined for this. Luckily the new trains are a closed off system.
@@emil3872 NS isn't getting fined for it because they have put stickers on the doors and inside of the toilets not to use it at the station or in tunnels, if someone from the NS catches you using the toilet you could get fined though.
Imagine it being on a railroad crossing. I never saw that (luckily).
In the UK the direct flush toilets have been banned - it's deemed a health hazard to lineside workers and the general public.
@@GabrielViana-mg3vh Imagine it being on a canal/river bridge and you on a boat beneath it! Many canal/river bridges in the Netherlands are open steel constructions.
Make more Netherlands videos pls
3:08 I personally find these attractive
me too
0:45 DONT call it Holland
Ps ;)
6:17 you accydently drop your phone
Roosendaal had a ticket office a year ago?
0:58 didn't you see Quadruple?
4:20 It is not actually that much bike space tbh. Only 1 balcony per combination has bike space and usually with an (official) max of 3 bikes or so.
Nice review. 👍 I see Toilets Time (instead of Toilet Time) has made a comeback. 😜😂
Yes, one British guy wasn't happy about the removal of the "S"
Simply Railway That’s because he said your imperfect English was charming. As long as you know it’s incorrect English. 🤓😉
I'm Dutch and I'm really ashamed by such a mess in our trains! Besides, this train was already in operation in the mid 90's!
Zelfde gevoel.
It's a pity that you can't review the old ICM (They called Koploper) , they had great seats. It's now known as ICMm. Still great trains though.
6:13 *didn't expect that*
It looks really funny😂
Bru yeah they are from the 90’s
*opens toilet*
*the Spanish Inquisition is there*
I simply love the train travel & love watching scenic beautiful world through the window
Wie is nederlands die dit kijkt ⬇️
Built in 1994by Talbot (now Bombardier) in Aachen in Germany. Designed by Dutch national railways. 29 years on Dutch railroads with 3 refurbishments and fourth underway.
in the older stock the texture of the seat differs for the kind of area it was. leather (slow burning) for the former smoking areas and the soft ones for the original non smoking areas
Are you simply aviation?
Simply Railway must meet Simply Aviation after riding the ÖBB
The great thing about this train is that you have door hinges where you can sit on if all seats are filled. These are the thick round metal bars at the doors
Nice video (again ;) ).
So funny, to me these trains are old, great to see someone with a different perspective in these trains. This specific stock will be refurbished soon. The new ones are way better and nicer.
Can you try The EuroCity train from Hamburg to Copenhagen?
How on earth is a direct flush toilet still in use? And especially in The Netherlands. There's no way that's environmentally friendly to flush directly onto the tracks. Human waste? Maybe. But the paper? No way.
Yes,they are looking good.Compared to the doubledecker trains in the US,they are just ugly!!
Thanks for this nice video. You travelled with the oldest stock of VIRM trains. The first trains had the sky-seats. Later on, various cloths were used. Nowadays, more and more VIRM trains are being modernised. You should check them!!
Such a modern train in "advanced, first world" flushing human waste into the rail tracks in this day and age. If this was a video about a train in Africa or India the comments section wouldn't be so nice.
There are some trains from the same stock that are refurbished. You should try them.😊
7:33 not this month anymore! Rip SGM/SGMM 1970-2019
Treinspotter_ Tijger DDAR gaat eruit nu, SGMm gaat nog enkele jaren mee hoor
SLT succeeded SGMm
I always try to get on the SGMm when possible, I love them!
Sad that u got the non modernized VIRMm to review. This review is out of date since all the stock is being modernised
Aí sim, mostrou com bastante detalhes, exatamente o que eu gostaria de ver, um dia espero poder andar de trem aqui no Brasil.
Le son des virm au démarrage et au freinage est tellement sympa :p
The sound that the original IRMs made before they became VIRMs was *fucking terrible*. They used electronic choppers at an *extremely* audible frequency. Most of them were changed over to a newer version within a few years, even without any other refurbishment.
referbishment is done in the netherlands itself by nedtrain witch is a supsidiary off ns and a leftover of the now gefunkt rolling stock manifacturer werkspoor.
Roosendaal is in Brabant. Not Holland.
Both are in the Netherlands.
Nice vid though.
Ack! You video facing backwards = I get motion sick watching! 😖🤢🤮
I have made some pictures of the doors area in refurbished VIRM FLOW
I'm happy you like our trains, but you should try the Swiss railway...
I am Dutch and the VIRM double decker train has been updated! Btw I subbed xD
virm 8667 richting amsterdam centraal
Very nice video :) I prefer smart and simply trains and this is one for me. I don't need complicated Electronic, Just simply circuits and central source. I wish we had such with us, unlike the troubled Bmz by ÖBB... I will look forward to the next video, hi from Czech Republic :)
carefull that there are 4 genirations of virm rolling stock and that the trains are made in sutch a way that individual cars can be swopped as long as the are the same tipe, one handels power an other has a toiled etc. this is also a reason the the could be lengthend relitively easily
5:32 in the original batch Holec made the electric parts and traction equipment for the trains sets. a short time after completion of the order Alstom acquired Holec Ridderkerk. when extra coaches were ordered for the lengthening of the stock the now 6 coaches long sets have an extra driven bogie which has new made traction systems from the same type but now from an Alstom plant. it’s always one of the (couple of) middle coaches in the old 4 and 6 coach sets pre the, terrible imo, refurbishment
Bit annoying with your logo in the corner the whole video
Do someone understand the announcement when the train arriving at Doordrecht (I don't understand the other part) ?
Please do the one Swiss sbb cff ffs rail next please?
I syill love the blue white regiorunner from (1995)
Sick video dude 😁😁😁😁😁
You should do this again. There are refurbished virms with a great interior. There are nice New sprinters too!
These older trains used to have the nickname 'The bagpipe'. This becausse it used to make a bagpipe like howl when moving. This has been removed by now, but it took some time before they found the cause of the somewhat annoying sound. It wasn't very loud, thankfully.
Also, the coach at 2:40 is a Silent coach. Seen by the S on the window. In case you want some peace and quiet, or time to work.
No bagpipe referred to all thst Dutch poo on the railway lines.
Can you try one time Abellio from arnhem to dusseldorf
This trains builded in Germany by Stadler or bombardier
I love it how the people are watching you.
Tagged wc. Not ok.
Vandalism is a plague in the Netherlands.
alway bugged me why we have 1st class when bearly anyone uses them
its the copy of rosendaal and rosental in austria
I remember when these were first introduced.
Ironic thing about Bombardier and Alstom thing you saw a year earlier, they're merged now.
Yeah I had to check the upload date after that. :(
To know why the Windows are small a lil bit of background story
In 1991 the IRM (InterRegioMaterieel) was introduced. The passenger demand growed and the trains were lenged becoming VIRM (VerlengdInterRegioMaterieel) in the IRM there was no airco but little slide gaps above the window u could open for fresh air. Nowadays it has airco so the gaps are gone and thats why the winsows are small.
Btw the interior was not refurbushed thats why its outdated. The trains are getting modernizeid now
I think you got confused with the DD-AR trains. Those had ventilation holes above the window in the upper deck, the (V)IRM never had those.
Feels wierd watching this in a virm
The squeeze would get on my ner ves
I love your videos. Ironically i specially love to see your reviews of trains i took myself to compare experiences. Like this one. I live in germany, so i took the ICE ofc, the Flixtrain, the swedish X2000, different dutch IC trains like the VIRM and ICM, PKP Intercity (wich i can really recommand, if you did not take them yet).
Oh btw: Flixtrain completely refurbished their coaches. could be up for another review^^
thats an older train tho with those seats
Roosendaal, da's in Brabant!
And with the NS Sprinter you can go EVERYWHERE!!!!! With the NS IC you can only go to citys, for example, Roermond! Its a city in Limburg.
Actually I don’t like these trains at all, cramped and bad seating and they are slow. It’s a pity Dutch railways are going for trainsets only instead of separate coaches. I miss the former ICR coaches with separate locomotives. Spacious, no double deck, comfy and very flexible. The train sets lack space for luggage and have a terrible seat pitch
Driving a train in the Netherlands is quite the pleasure ride. It's comfy and fast. Though since I own a car I barely use the train anymore.
The Dutch railways are among the best of the world, however most people hate going by train.
I love being Dutch 🙂
I’m much more of a steam enthusiast, but these Dutch 🇳🇱 trains look smart. 👍 I’d ridden one of them to Amsterdam.
Smart? Dumping human waste onto the tracks is smart? Dutch clearly don't think very well.
@@sithabelamandlawenkosiwodu6298 No no. Smart can mean handsome or fine-looking. But as a rail fan I can like almost any train whether old or new.
@@Mason58654 oh. I understand now.
this type of train has 4 generations, the first gen is now completely refurbished (wich is also the one u traveled with i think)
(those look like the DDZ right now, but with the v-irm casco (my english is not perfect)
but indeed those are the most common trains from the NS, so u see them everywhere
Really enjoy travelling around The Netherlands by train. Hope to go back there soon. Great video.
Dated is probably the best way to describe these trains. They are very functional, spacious and average comfort, but their interiors are outdated. The new version is a big improvement.
Best video ever !!
C'est pour ça que je suis très grand admirateur du système ferroviaire néerlandais
Sinon très bonne vidéo comme toujours ! 😃
A very informative video.
Intercity is the type of trains that stops at all big stations. The company that own VIRM trains is NS. We have also have GTW - diesel trains.
Normies: Rosendale
The Dutch 🇱🇺: *Roosendaal!*
The windows are that size because the shape of the coaches is near to the clearance limits. For that reason the coaches will never go over the borders, even if the overhead voltage difference could be mended. The seat pitch in the coach configuration is narrow, and not too comfortable. Although the EMU's are doing services to Schiphol airport, there is no space for the larger size suitcases. That is a sad omission.
And i am dutch.
The 8600/9400 were built in the 90's those are getting modernized now. In fact the last one is almost finished.
Glad you liked the station in my home town Roosendaal, Thibault. Small but efficient.