Wish I had bought pharma stocks instead of getting started on antidepressants 25 years ago. I would then be able to say today that I had benefitted from antidepressants.
LOL. This is phenomenal. The snark. *chef's kiss* & 100000000000000000000000000000000% accurate. This subject matter isn't funny whatsoever. People have chosen to die over this unethical healthcare. But this snark is outstanding. None of us have had ANY benefit from these Pharmaceuticals. All theyève managed to do is DECREASE our quality of life. Our brain chemistry, nervous system, digestive system, endocrine system, etc have all been quite-literally damaged.
Do you still take them? It’s been 20 years for me and I want to come off but I’ve tried a few times and my anxiety was in overdrive. I wonder if they permanently change your brain?
@@ashatan4554I believe they do. I’ve been on them for 30 years and from the research (term used minimally) I’ve done, it would take a long process to come off them safely and still may have side effects while my brain tries to reestablish the normal function of the synapses. 😮
@@cortanathelawless1848is it? many substances (drugs and others) shouldn’t be suddenly discontinued. habituation is a quality of human bodies, and withdrawal symptoms are the flip side of it. even food, even someone wants to successfully lose weight it’s typically the worst course of action for them to suddenly drastically reduce their calorie intake, these people will experience the worst cravings, exhaustion, and other negative health effects of rapid calorie restriction and are most likely to regain weight and suffer negative long term impacts to the metabolic system. whereas making gradual smaller lifestyle changes usually brings about the opposite. i don’t find the natural processes of habituation and withdrawal to raise suspicion, there’s plenty of other criticisms that are more compelling.
What I was given: - An antidepressant What I really needed: - ADHD medication - Hormonal control for my severe PMDD - 6,000 IU daily of Vitamin D to fix a severe Vitamin D deficiency It is dangerous to believe that antidepressants have solved a problem when their main effect is numbing. It’s like giving a person painkillers and having them walk on a broken leg. It doesn’t fix the issue and creates more issues long term. And the fact that you stop looking for an actual solution. Antidepressants shouldn’t be regarded as a “final destination” therapy unless absolutely needed, just as painkillers usually aren’t the final destination therapy for physical pain (unless no other options are viable).
@@stevekaylor5606 Many SSRIs act more like anti bacs, completely wiping out the gut microbiome. Depending on diet and the make up of the gut microbiome, weight gain is common. It's why a common side effect is diarrhea or constipation, depending on the person.
@@stevekaylor5606 with the way they're presented and prescribed without proper caveats, yes. In my case, low dose for a month significantly improved my insane sugar cravings. Turns out certain ssris are extremely effective against biofilm forming bacteria like candida albicans and even streptococcus strains. Now that I know what I know, I'm tapering off the drugs and loading up on fermented foods.
Why would you trust the medical industry when it comes to ADHD and its supposed treatment, when the industry has blatantly lied for decades about depression and SSRIs? It totally makes sense that a stimulant drug is going to have a stronger impact on how a person feels than an SSRI does. That doesn’t mean that ADHD is what we have been lead to believe it is.
This is exactly what i've been telling my family for years, licensed professional doctors are not always correct, they do what they are taught and very rarely do you find one who goes out of their way to change things up. Blind faith in someone you don't know despite their authority is something that should never be given.
That's what is regarded in the system so the most compliant people end up as doctors. Then they illiterate any intellegence they had with long hours of study and interning which neurologically imagines them. Creating very arrogant very uncurious very compliant army of dispensers of drugs.
I had a doctor tell me once that I need to take anti-psychotics for 6-12 months every time I get even slighly upset lol. Dr. Somanathan Damodaran, Priya Medical Center, Ottawa Ontario Canada.
My psychiatrist said straight away, the medicine is to make me feel better, and therapy and lifestyle changes will make me better. The meds are supposed to aid me in getting there.
I can't make the lifestyle changes needed to feel better (having a job that pays me a living wage, having affordable healthcare, having my civil rights guaranteed)
It's true that SSRI haven't taken my C-PTSD away, but neither did years of therapy. If I stop taking them all the anxiety, self-hatred, and suicidal ideation return, but if I keep taking them, I can genuinely say I'm a happy person who's glad to be alive. I used to discard antidepressants as a big farm lie and think the real treatment for depression was a healthy lifestyle and psychotherapy, now I think antidepressants can be an essential part of the healing, though still not all of it.
Thank you for saying that. I finally realized in my sixties that my chronic anxiety came from CPTSD. I mostly recall the stressful circumstances that caused my hypervigilance and floods of cortisol in response to stress. But knowing doesn't change things. The right medication helps what cannot be changed by any amount of talking about it.
This really points to the issue I feel actually exists with SSRI's. The effect of the pill itself is small, but the most common story I hear for peoole that say they are on antidepressants, is that they told their doctor about how depressed they were, and the doctor prescribed the meds without doing any testing or anything. To contrast: I got my adhd meds upon a meeting with a psychiatrist(not the family doctor), then had to give 3 forms of close people that had to evaluate me, and the last doc did a neuro-feedback scan that took me an hour to do and a bloodtest to see if I havr any deficiency that would explain the symptoms. It's a bit wild to me how the process with SSRI's is about just trying different meds and hoping one will work forever. My opinion (unprofessional and anecdotally informed) is that SSRI's should be handed out when all other deficiencies have been ruled out for the cause of a mental illness, and when they are prescribed, they should come in combination with therapy that deals with actively retraining old thinking patterns (to start opting away from these doom-loops).
have you tried weaning off SSRI slowly? Like, not getting off cold turkey. As someone who got off SSRI, I could confirm that my mental health issue do not go away with both therapies and drug. But at least I learnt to live with it without additional burden from medication. I find tapering off slowly is the only safe way to quit SSRI
You’ve hit upon some important points here. First, is that psychotherapy isn’t particularly effective for depression. It can be helpful, but it’s not going to be curative for most people. The second important point, is withdrawal symptoms. Withdrawal symptoms make people feel like they need to stay on the medications. They falsely believe that the SSRI has actually been helping them, when the reality is that the worsening depression when trying to come off, is just withdrawal. They need to be weaned off VERY slowly to minimize this. Irvine Kirsh makes a very good argument that antidepressants are all placebo in his book The Emperors New Drugs. Now, I’m not telling you to stop the medication. Maybe it’s actually helping you, and maybe it’s better than the alternative, but maybe you’ve become dependent on it.
I've been on SSRIs for a little over 8 years. They completely numbed my emotions; it was pure apathy. I feel like they actually made my depression much worse. Just recently, I decided that I've had enough. It's been a week since my last dose and I'm finally starting to feel things again. I'm crying a lot, but I love it. It's such a beautiful feeling and I've been robbed of it for almost a decade. Dr. Josef, thank you so much for your work ❤️
Same here. They blocked my emotions, which is horrible when you wanna cope with something. Ssri's are not just not helping, they damaged me. I'm off of it now and felt immediatly better after i tapered off. Thanks dr. Josef
@oShinobu I'm glad you're feeling better after coming off SSRI's. The crying frequently thing is totally normal, it's your body processing the emotions that were blocked when taking the antidepressants. Your experience of them numbing your emotions, was what I experienced too. Something good happened and I wouldn't feel good, something bad happened and I wouldn't feel bad. I'd rather have the normal ups and downs of life, than to just feel soul-crushing grey numbness. I also felt my life is better without SSRI's. Here's hoping your enhanced emotional sensitivity thing settles down soon, so you don't need to cry as much.
@@davidestabrook5367 I needed to numb my emotions, to go through a period of stabilising my psychological pain in order to process the mental health situation without struggling emotionally, to heal the imbalance and inability to effectively control the madly swinging mood reactions within my damaged psyche . Detach and find my way back to the happiness and normality I sought but couldn’t find behind the emotional blockage. Break free from the physical and mental torment shadowing my uncontrollable loss of sense of well being. Intellectual healing is able to be faced without fear clouding the understanding of the way back to the path you must walk to achieve that place of wellness again. Then try to hold it on still waters with a taper plan and rebalance when you feel ready.
I'm so "jealous" of you. I've been off citalopram for a year and I'm still totally blunted and severely cognitively impaired. I don't understand why I can't heal.
I’ll be honest. I’m currently taking 20mg of Lexapro and I’m seeing a psychologist to help me with CBT. I guess I’m one of the lucky ones and I am experiencing no side effects from the medication, and since being on it I feel like a new person. I have been watching Dr Josef’s videos for some time, and it saddens me to hear the terrible reactions some people have to these medications. Truly, the degree of variance in how people respond is so big. Thankyou for providing such informative content and questioning the mainstream narrative.
Wait for it…. Years later… Effects… No relief. More and more drugs More effects Labels Effects labeled as hypochondriac or uncooperative Think about it…
I did 15 years of therapy and psychiatry with meds. Ive been told that i was depressed and took meds for that for close to 8 years. They then told me that i was in fact bipolar and took meds for that. A stint in a mental hopsital caused me to have a seizure from the cocktail of drugs they gave me while under hospital care. Years later, i did LSD microdose a few times, and i was able to move on from issues i had faced as a child and im glad to say ive been off all mood drugs for 8 years now. I work in pharmacy and it breaks my heart to watch these doctors play guess and check with these meds while their patients dont get any better.
I was on anti-depressant medication for five years as a teenager and it numbed my emotions so much that when I stopped it was like the world went back to color. I also realized my depression was a symptom of larger unprocessed trauma as well. I hope you are doing better now.
I’m glad to hear that doctors are questioning this process too. My personal experience with anti-depressants isn’t very positive. I started therapy at 12 and medication at 13 for a diagnosed anxiety disorder and depression. By 16 I was numb and we had changed medication 4 times. By that point it felt like not taking medication would be impossible because I needed it to function. Depression was always around the corner and my therapist kept insisting the medication was working. I begin to see my brain as being “emotionally imbalanced” and requiring constant medicine to work. At 17, my older sister died unexpectedly and I was extremely suicidal. No medication could fix that, but doctors tried. … one day when I was 18 I just… stopped medication. I was a bit horrified by how much more I could feel things. Good things and bad things alike. For years I’d felt unable to be sad but also I alone to be joyful. I cried in the rain one day because it was something I used to love I could suddenly it feel again. I wasn’t numb anymore. I’ve been medication free for around 5 years and it has given me more perspective on how my brain works. I cant always regulate my emotions but I can regulate my behavior. Therapy is a good thing, but I’m not so convinced that medication is the answer to depression. For me, the answer is always finding things in my life I can change and getting more people to talk to. I look back at my 12 year old self and worry about how doctors assumed medication was the best option. It’s hard to find a 12-15 who isn’t dealing with emotional distress and medicating it away led to years of emotional numbness and feeling like any bad day was a symptom that the medication wasn’t working.
My antidepressants help me so much! It was never severe at all. By that constant negative voice went away. I’m always for the most part in a great mood and focused.
Honestly same, I take Effexor and it's been life changing. I had to go though a few others that made me feel terrible after I found the right one for me but now I feel great.
They have changed my life too! By permanently numbing my emotions to the point I actively need to kill myself. Without warning it could happen. No real support. Just gaslighting. Yet if I say that nobody cares. All that matters is the people who were helped
Same here! They were a game changer for my OCD anxiety brain! I don't get how this doctor could be against them when they are helping so many of us with anxiety disorders.
As a colleague, and someone with years of experience in clinical trials, I enjoyed your video and found it informative and straightforward. You could make an entire other video on the unreliability of endpoint determinations and compliance in these trials! In clinical practice I find that these medications are overprescribed and poorly monitored, and that responders react relatively quickly with respect to non responders. Keep shining a light on these topics!
As someone who went through years of therapy and anti depressants/ mood stabilizers/ and anti psychotics, I can 100% tell you that coming off the meds and taking my life habits more seriously helped way more than the meds. For alot of people who just have bad life habits and tendencies, these meds are just a short term fix that can make the problem worse long term.
@@hobgoblin9339I have Bipolar Affective Disorder type II, I went to several psychiatrists, until I was diagnosed in 2022. In 2019, I had a very strong depressive crisis, and my history with antidepressants began, and in bipolar patients their use is not recommended. I used different types, I had several side effects, I felt like I was a drug addict. I used some mood stabilizers and couldn't adapt, always having side effects, these medications are very strong. I currently only use Lamotrigine as a stabilizer, the only one I can identify with. I still think there is some way to alleviate it, or even re-emit it, by using supplements, vitamins, minerals. But for the pharmaceutical industry $$ is not interesting, and some doctors also benefit from it. I'm researching a lot on this subject.
I'm a psychologist, and I've been taking 40 mg Prozac for years. This all makes a great deal of sense to me! Thank you for such clarity on all the issues; it is, indeed, a shame that psychiatric meds get bottom-of-the-barrel research compared to other drugs, just as in general, mental health is not taken as seriously.
I used to take an antidepressant. I felt it numbed me. I changed my diet and cut out processed foods, sugars, and grains. My mental health greatly improved! I think clearly, sleep well, and have a positive outlook on life. No medication needed.😊
Inhibitors block the communication between the lower emotional brain and the upper sound brain which means your thinking self has no clue how you are physically FEELING
I’m not against antidepressants and do believe that they help many people. However, the speed at which doctors jump to prescribing them for anything and everything is crazy. I am a mom who was paralyzed at C6 in an accident at age 34 when my children were very small. Obviously the first weeks after my injury were incredibly difficult and I was grieving the autonomy and future life that I had lost. Within the first three weeks when I was still in the ICU, a doctor came in and put me on SSRIs because I was “too sad” and crying “too much.” If I had been a year out from injury and crying every day, I would maybe understand the doctor’s insistence on an antidepressant. But I was newly injured, still on a respirator and fighting for survival, and I had no history of depression. My reaction to my circumstances was completely justified and normal. The fact that doctors won’t just let people grieve and dole out depression drugs for grief is ridiculous.
A beta blocker did the same for me with less side effects. I had sudden onset of chronic severe disequilibrium for a year before anyone tried to help me. Still not diagnosed but ENT thinks it's vestibular migraine. It has caused anxiety, panic attacks and PDST like symptoms anytime I felt a little off. It was so bad it's start a feedback loop I couldn't stop with conventional breathing or distraction. Part of the reason I wasn't treated was because my attacks were silent. I could calmy tell you I don't feel right but the only indication anyone would see is my left hand would start shaking and my vitals would go through the roof. Going into month 3 of using the medication. I almost felt normal when I hit the grocery store today. Getting a little better each day.
one of our family friends was quite a traumatized person. her dad was injured falling off a ladder, her mom fought breast cancer, her brother was diagnosed epileptic, and she was anorexic as well as bullied. Everyone in her family was put on ssri’s and none of them EVER changed for the better. I eventually had to entirely cut the girl out of my life. Those people needed help, not ssri’s to numb them.
I have been taking them for 20 years and I’m in a masters nursing program. They suck, have a ton of side effects, and they are prescribed for everything.
My trauma made it so difficult to relax and constant fight /flight is exhausting. After three weeks i feel like i can breathe for the first time in years. If i only gave them a chance instead of selfmedicating with opiates.
You should see the tortured souls in some of the help groups for those permanently injured by these meds. It's ghastly. It's a small percentage, but it doesn't matter if it's you.
We will be seeing many more of those you may be entitled to compensation commercials in the future. At 15 years old I was prescribed the anti-psychotic drug Seroquel and have lost my ability to regulate body temperature ever since. I'm 27 now. I found ways to cope with it but it is awkward to explain why I am always cold.
@gingeralice3858 same. I have total dysautonomic dysregulation. Nothing in my body is operating right anymore. I could even learn to live with all the dysautonomic dysfunction and chronic fatigue if i could just get my emotions and cognition back. Together, it's all too much. My life is over
@@gemini-vibes6118 You are not alone. I am so sorry your experiencing this! The problem with these drugs is they can re-wire brain chemistry permanently. It’s such a massive issue and many are suffering in silence. Try and get that word out. The very Least I can do is pray for you. To help with “depression” naturally I recommend B vitamins. may be deficient is key vitamins that affect neurotransmitters. Especially when it comes to any kind of autonomic nervous system dysfunction.
I believe there's a palatable difference between depression and distress; and the same logic follows anxiety. I think of distress as an emotional response that has a reasonable cause; A breakup/bullying/financial difficulties/unstable home life, etc. I think of Depression/Anxiety as having no active reasonable cause. "I feel eyes on me at the grocery store even though no one's looking at me." Our world is kind of failing us in a major way these days. It's expected to feel hopeless and lost when you're living paycheck to paycheck and the fridge is empty. I wish these medications weren't being taught and marketed as a blanket cure-all. What other choice do we have? Zoloft won't pay my bills, but it might keep me from crying during a 12 hour shift.
Depression is just 21 century reincarnation of drapetomania - rational response to objectively terrible external condition gets pathologized as a mental illness.
They aren't getting to the heart of the problems, if a family members dies or you have a breakup or you feel small in the world, the solution isn't manipulating the brain, because the brain isn't in a sense the mind or soul or spirit. The spirit needs healing, and the brain changes accordingly.
They don't want to. That would be a holistic approach where a person gets outside, gets movement, gets decent sleep, eats a healthy diet full of real food. And to connect with people so they can get exposure to what kindness looks like.
@@Sarah-with-an-H and that's just it, what we really need is to all be kinder and care about each other and the planet, I know I sound like a cliche hippie but it's true
you are totally wrong if you think that its about outside world, its your biochemistry that is fucked up not environement. The problem is that those drugs mask symptoms instead of resovling root cause. There is potential for environement impact which is called epigenetics but still resolution is much more about biochemistry which is different for different people, some may have heavy metals overload, others have low methylation, some people have too high methylation, some have condition like Pyroluria which make them deficent in nutrients crucial for mental health etc and talking like its about spirit is dumb af because your brain is not some magical thing thats dependent on god.
@@inittiela4934 its not biochemistry its the entire picture of your life and what you do. The biochemistry concept was made up by an ad agency to sell antidepressants.
My life has been greatly improved with Citalopram. I was an extremely anxious person due to 2 cardiac conditions. Addition of Citalopram (2007) greatly lowered my anxiety and I am able to go about my day normally. When doing 2 challenge tests to see what happens when I stop my dose the anxiety always returns. I'm doing fine on it and won't rock the boat anymore!
they won't listen, youtube algorithm recommends this video to people who already believe it because they had bad experiences with healthcare (which is likely) and those who are fine have nothing to complain about so you never hear from them
@@PixelstarWASD I'm a psychiatryc patient and I'm very much a fan of modern pharmacology, and I got this video recommended too. It's so manipulative, the same old "the science is lying, don't trust doctors" rhetoric but in a slightly more sophisticated form. Horrible
@@jvishnevetskaia when you look deeper and deeper under the hood you'll find out that it's antisemitism, but don't say that part to any individual or they get vexed because the dogwhistle onion is so layered they have benefit of the doubt
This is how I ended up on social security for 17 years. It wasn’t until I stopped listening to “mental health professionals” that I was able to overcome crippling depression and anxiety. That was 1.5 yrs ago, today I am back at work after almost 2 decades and functioning normally with very few symptoms that are easily regulated through behavior modification - something I had to learn on my own. The medical establishment exists for the same purpose as any other big business and that is not to benefit you.
I think in some cases it enables people to continue lifestyle choices that aren't serving their best interests. I'd rather a doctor tell me to change something I'm doing than prescribe me a pill, but they don't get time to comb through every detail of someone's habits to find tweaks that can be made. Some people don't take well to being told to stop behaviors that bring them pleasure, or to start doing things that are like a daily chore. We all have busy lives so I think a lot of doctors don't even bother to say it because it offends some people.
I'm a doctor. I don't prescribe antidepressants as I work in the Emergency Department and when I was depressed I didn't take them as I understand the evidence to not be that strong. But I find your comment overly cynical. Sure pharmacy companies are there to help themselves and US healthcare is extortionate (I work in NZ) but the vast majority of my colleagues got into this job to help people
I remember one of my professors (I’m a psych major) saying that one of the big problem in these drug studies is that medicines are rarely compared to each other so we can’t narrow it down to what works best for what patients. I’m really interested in you mentioning antidepressants having calming drug effects too, I’ve noticed the people I’ve talked to with sever anxiety actually like their antidepressants.
It is a pharma marketing term. There is no pill that is antidepressant, they are anxiolytics, sedatives. In the 1980s benzos anxiolytics had such a bad reputation that they had to sell the new generation with a new marketing name. You can watch the history of this in David Healy youtube videos. Not to mention that they can cause from mania to worse depression and even nothing depending on the person and other variables. Best wishes.
Antidepressants are becoming the standard treatment for anxiety disorders because they have such a positive effect on them and are less problematic than benzos.
I had a gene testing done, which helped show which antidepressants were most likely to be beneficial to me. And it showed medicine goes through my system fast, so I need a larger dose. Obviously, I still had to try a few before finding a good one, but it helped a lot. Medicines have such strange differences person to person.
I am in school now, and I can't question my professors. Mainstream disease management is the gold standard. I am glad there is a platform like this! Thank you!!!
@@nami1540it’s not really that simple. I think what the commenter means is that they can’t question the status quo, which is being perpetuated by those in higher level positions such as professors, doctors, etc. They are paid to be complacent. Then, when someone with good intentions questions something, they are labeled as a conspiracy theorist or seen as just plain stupid. These people don’t accept challenges to the mainstream, because it threatens their comfort and livelihood. That is what the comment, I believe, was referring to.
I'm one of the people Antidepressants has been super helpful for. I'm so glad I'm on them, and whenever I go off them, I always massively notice the difference as my emotions are a total roller coaster. On them, I feel sane, calm and capable. I feel like for many of the studies they simple studied people like me who they really help!
Modern studies actually conclude their ineffectiveness. The general world of medicine just doesn't want to talk about it because it would take away a simple answer and there would be less money to be made. Besides, there is no way they could know the study object's reactions beforehand. I know the thought might be bitter for you, but have you ever considered that you want to keep taking AD's because you're experiencing withdrawal symptoms? What if you could've been as calm without them, if only you had waited longer or had changed some changeable circumstamces in your life? It's highly likely that the AD's aren't even good for you, statistically speaking.
@@ensco7 I appreciate your care (genuinely), but the withdrawal symptoms were never that bad for me and they were very short-lived. Beyond a shadow of doubt SSRIs are helpful to manage mood swings and anxiety for me. Beyond something a placebo could do. I can say this with comfortable certainty as I'm a counsellor and required to do significant therapy myself to maintain my accreditation! I hear they may not be as effective as previously thought (I, too, have read the studies), but for some people they are. I'm one of those people.
@@ensco7 If our lives were not in need of change prior to the medication, we would not have started taking the medication. It does not actually matter to me whether it is a withdrawal symptom if it makes my life more comfortable, fulfilling, and satisfying. There is no bitterness to that consideration.
Took antidepressants for a year. All it did was numb me out and give me brain zaps. Awful crap. Also, my depression exists because life is depressing not because of a “chemical imbalance.” I am capable of experiencing joy and excitement in life, but I rarely do, because (again) life is depressing.
It's better to be sober and live a more real life. Dedicate your life to doing good for yourself and others in a dark world it's the only real reason to live.
Life is depressing because you have turned away from the rememberance of your Lord. Allah Almighty has said in the Quran: 20:124 وَمَنْ أَعْرَضَ عَن ذِكْرِى فَإِنَّ لَهُۥ مَعِيشَةًۭ ضَنكًۭا وَنَحْشُرُهُۥ يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَـٰمَةِ أَعْمَىٰ ١٢٤ "And whoever turns away from My remembrance - indeed, he will have a depressed [i.e., difficult] life, and We will gather [i.e., raise] him on the Day of Resurrection blind." What you really need is to return to your true purpose, which is to worship your Lord, alone, without any partners. Allah almighty has said (interpretation of meaning): 51:56 "And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me. 51:57 I do not want from them any provision, nor do I want them to feed Me. 51:58 Indeed, it is Allāh who is the [continual] Provider, the firm possessor of strength. 51:59 And indeed, for those who have wronged is a portion [of punishment] like the portion of their companions [i.e., predecessors], so let them not impatiently urge Me. 51:60 And woe to those who have disbelieved from their Day which they are promised." However, when you truly fulfill this purpose, that is when you achieve true happiness. 16:97 مَنْ عَمِلَ صَـٰلِحًۭا مِّن ذَكَرٍ أَوْ أُنثَىٰ وَهُوَ مُؤْمِنٌۭ فَلَنُحْيِيَنَّهُۥ حَيَوٰةًۭ طَيِّبَةًۭ ۖ وَلَنَجْزِيَنَّهُمْ أَجْرَهُم بِأَحْسَنِ مَا كَانُوا۟ يَعْمَلُونَ ٩٧ "Whoever does righteousness, whether male or female, while he is a believer - We will surely cause him to live a good life, and We will surely give them their reward [in the Hereafter] according to the best of what they used to do."
My. loved one was devastated from years of taking these meds in addition to meds for another mental illness. The toxicity of theser drugs is astounding, and I now firmly believe it takes years off an individual's life. The lack of apppropriate studies is shocking, and prevents, as you say, patients from making informed choices.
@@jjk2oneNo, you're missing the point of the entire video. These drugs are NOT safe even if taken as prescribed. Your doctor's prescribing isn't a magical incantation. They are dangerous if you take them, whether a doctor is involved or not.
Right once I stopped taking mine I started remembering important memories from childhood I repressed and suppressed and quickly realized I never needed meds I was just traumatized
to quote one of the comments: "I got erased as a person." I only took an antidepressant for several weeks but within days, felt completely in a depersonalized state..it was similar to some mescaline I tried decades ago (baby boomer) and hated with a passion....I don't know how any mind can adjust to the loss of their sense of self.....
I also had the “emotions get washed out” from coffee. But the effect was temporary. I have this feeling like both coffee and Lexapro had a similar and synergic effect on me acting together in the same way. Coffee affects many things we don’t know about. But yeah.. before Lexapro I woke up and went to a hop coffeeshop going to meet an attractive girl. Now.. I barely care! I’d be too lazy if offered the opportunity. It’s like being two people - the shadow of the old self and the new numb self. But I can also switch into my social normal brain when I am with people though, but now I just avoid it and stay alone. It’s like my nervous and hormonal system got damaged and bifurcate, like two pathways formed - one old one and one numb one and I just go to my number one out of fear now.
It can, since the drugs neutralize the very senses and ability that indicate to you that you are in fact losing your sense of self... That's how it worked with me.
@@MsAkiman I personally did not four years later but I abuse coffee and work night shifts so there are other factors but I do get old feelings back finally
I worked in a psychiatric hospital environment for over 30 years. As a clinician, and as part of the clinical team, I worked hand in hand with prescribers and of course, have been very aware of various "holes in the game" of anti-depressant use. More specifically, over time, I observed and chronicled responses to these (and other) medications, primarily psychiatric, and just how poorly most people responded to anti-depressants. Yes, I would say most. In fact, I can safely say that for many, many people, their symptoms would be exacerbated by ADs, and additionally, that new symptoms that were seriously complicating the client's overall condition would arise. In fact, I have seen many people become suicidal while taking them, and have seen people actually, measurably, become more symptomatic while taking them. Even in private practice, where I dwell now, the vast majority of people I know that are taking AD medication cannot say whether or not they feel the medication is helping, hurting, or doing nothing at all. In the end, following the research, I have come to have little faith in many variants of psychiatric medications for real reasons, based on real clients taking them.
Bingo! "...the vast majority... cannot say whether or not they feel the medication is helping, hurting, or doing nothing at all." I think many people stay on antidepressants out of a "don't rock the boat" mentality. They don't know if the meds are helping, but in case they might be, it's best to just stay on them. I know that was my thinking, and it kept me on one or more of them for 20 years. The only one that boosted my mood tremendously was the very first one, Lexapro, and I often wonder if it felt like it worked so well b/c I was going 'up' from such a low state, the contrast was marked. The one drawback, though, is that feeling better might mean you don't have any strong incentive to take concrete steps to work on your problems or make improvements.
Dr. Josef.. You're the GOAT with what you're doing. Just imagine how easy it would be for him now that he has come so far to be a doctor to just lock in and do it all for the money. Can't thank you enough, I'm glad there are honest people like you in this world.
New study. Put patients on a good, free diet and nutrition and social program. Given them hope and purpose and some fun hobbies. They would never come back.
That's what happens on Soteria houses. But if the Soteria model gets adopted by the majority an "industry would die", the pill industry. And that would be "unamerican".
It's unjewish, that's what it really would be. #Sackler family European countries would never do that kind of stuff, without America as a role model, or overlord.
@@19374hklmaq It's ALL about the money- not healing. Not helping. Even good Docs are part of an evil, money hungry system that causes real harm to people. Desperate people seek out Doctors for help and they get harmed. They visit the devil and he gets them addicted to drugs. Shameful. I am not exaggerating either. I know many Doctors- the good one's will actually admit this to you over drinks. They don't like it but they are trapped in a system and trying to survive so they go along to get along. They graduate with massive student debt. Then their identity and marriage, and friends are conditional upon them being a well earning Doctor.
Drug pushing does not solve people's problems with living. Writing prescriptions should only be done as a last resort. Ingesting powerful drugs as a coping mechanism is not a healthy choice.
Too much reliance on drugs, whether prescription/recreational, being used to cope with problems in society, Doctors should not be selling drug use to people, especially for monetary gain.
My life was unmanageable and I wasn't coping. They gave me a diagnosis, something about chemical imbalance, and prescribed pills for it, saying I needed to be sure to stay on medication or else something dire might become of me. Well, something dire did become of me. I stayed on the bloody medications, got worse, was told it was me, my "illness," couldn't relate well to people or organize my life or come up out of the brain fog to think or make choices, went on disability, didn't get to live my life as it should/could have been. Same old, by now, familiar, story. 38 years on that crap. It should have never happened. I was robbed.
@@kathryn7739 Are doctors getting money for each prescription they write, and also when they increase the dosage? This financialization factor may be subconscious!
Ive had a theory for awhile and please do correct me if im wrong. a specific serotonin receptor or subtype could provide antidepressant effects. The problem is that serotonin receptors can do a wide range of things. So modern antidepressants are like taking a fully automatic serotonin pew pew and blasting a range of receptors. So in a sense you did stimulate the correct receptor to provide antidepressant effects but you also just "hit" many other serotonin receptors which can provide a plethora of other effects including worsening of depression. Sort of like what is seen in psychedelics where mentally there can be a wide range of effects from euphoria and giddiness to dispair and fear.
I do remember getting laughed at at one point after I described some pretty intense adverse effects. Neither ADHD meds, nor antidepressants were at all tolerable for me. What helped me was reframing. I needed to change how I viewed the world and look at things more objectively. I haven't hated myself for years. I do still get anxiety, but it's nowhere near as debilitating. I still get sad, but, even if I feed the sadness, I no longer have the capacity to be nearly as miserable as I used to be.
We need more psychiatrists and industry insiders who speak out. The summary of what is wrong with the current drug testing methods was very useful... plus the suggestions on how to make them better. 🙂 P.S. I've always wondered why drug trials seem unfit for their intended purpose. Psych drugs are the worse... but the problem seems to permeate virtually all drug trials. The more I study the more I appreciate the myriad of ways that the system is being gamed. The love of money has corrupted the system.
My doctor does have my best interests in mind but then I live in Canada where they just paid and there isn't profit motive. So different that the dentist that works on corporate owned and shady business practice to milk as much insurance money as they can.
@@chrismaxwell1624 Exactly. Doctors are simply part of a healthcare system. In the US, they do as they are told. They are told to write scripts- many, many, many scripts. My Doc. visibly got upset when I lost weight and started running and eating KETO. She hates that I am low carb. She is losing a customer.
@@4GSLmusic But who put you on those meds to begin with? IN the US most docs don't care about us, at all. I had a surgery, and called my general doc. to tell her it went well. She never even called me back. You sing pretty good- better than me. Your tone could use a little work. What kind of guitar is that? I run a Fishman Mini Loudbox- best tone there is. You can DI to a PA. I say this as I sit here and loop a nice progression of Am7, Em7, FMaj7, G. Try it! It's really beautiful- it's in C. I like to solo over it in C Maj. Penta. Cheers! 🎸🎸🎸
SSRIs helped me at first to lighten up. Kept taking them for over a decade believing the medical model that I had naturally low serotonin levels. I was on paroxetine when I finally started questioning why I was taking this med. No doctor ever suggested I should get off the drug. I did the research and tapered off very gradually knowing that paroxetine has one of the worse withdrawal impacts. I went through 6 months of hell of withdrawal, it was awful, and several more months of lesser withdrawal symptoms. Right then, I came down with chronic fatigue syndrome. ME/CFS is often triggered by impacts from a viral sickness, but I believe my condition was triggered by intense crazy impacts from paroxetine withdrawal. Thanks medical science!
Wow. I began antidepressants in 1986. It was the worst decision of my life. 23 years total of quack crack destroyed my life. Been clean for 3 and a Hal;f years now and at 61 I am now regaining the cognitive abilities and joy that I felt in my twenties. I nearly forgot who I was for 4 decades. I'm lucky to have survived it all. What hell.
💛 I hear you. Same. 20 years with SSRI. It destroyed my life and relationships, job and finance. I was numbed and didn't understand myself how they affected me. Also neurological issues. Unfortunately almost Cold turkey and sick and disabled 14 months off. Memory, cognition, intelligence still affected. CNS injury. Hope it can heal and that I survive.
@@Snowflake1374 can you grow an organic garden? Change your diet radically. There are videos about paleo and keto oin mental health and healing. Gut health is extremely important as well as circulation. I wish you best of luck!
I am suffering from aphantasia, amnesia dissociation, emotional numbness, sexual dysfunction, cognitive dysfunction at the age of 28. Will I ever be alright. I have left medicines. But am planning suicide
They do work. Not for everyone, but for many. They have side effects but you have to weigh up the costs. Some people need these to function and stay alive.
They don't "work" the way most doctors will tell you. And the probability of them being advantageous for you is quite small. They're good for a tiny portion of the people consuming it, considering most psychiatrists prescribe them way too quickly and most patients don't do research. And when you realize that they just do harm to the majority of people, it really is the biggest scam in medicine.
I think the insight portion of the HAMD-17 scale really got me. So acknowledging you can be depressed due to societal alienation, or economic status, being overworked/poor work life balance, scores you higher than just saying you're depressed and that's it? How does that even make sense when there's plenty of science showing that these things 100% contributes to depressed feelings and mood?
It might seem so, but insight should differentiate between acknowledging external factors for your depression and just blaming things beyond your control for the way that you feel. A person who has insight into their depression should acknowledge that while their mood is affected due to outside circumstances, their inner thought processes amplify their feelings of guilt or hoplesness and they should work on fixing that.
@@tudorandor1412 If possible, one should change the external factors first. Extreme, unrealistic example, but just to show the thought process: Imagine you're being held in a torture chamber and there are keys that you could get to to escape if you tried hard enough. But you also know that the pain would be a little less severe if you tried to resist feeling it, if you were thinking of good things etc. Would you go for the keys? I think so. Now, where the comparison fails is that we can't know everybody's situation; whether the external factors are bad enough to be causing the pain. That's to be looked at individually. I'd bet that changing your perception and "accept" things is usually not the right way to go about it.
The scale also highlights that pharma does not have incentives to find a real solution but rather to find drugs that improve the score on that sheet and we saw how questionable it is...
I got on venlafaxine for menopause. Nobody tells you about side effects. If I missed a dose I got so dizzy I couldn't walk. It took years to get off. I eventually got to an every other day dose & was able to stop. I have rarely, if ever, had a doctor discuss side effects. Statins are the most recent. Now that I've educated myself, it is shocking what I've never been told, including that lowering LDL cholesterol has practically no effect on reducing your risk of heart attacks and strokes, that it interferes with vitamin D and hormone synthesis, and increases my chance of diabetes and dementia.
I almost ended it when I was on antidepressants. I thought “I’m already on antidepressants. This is as good as it gets for me.” Turns out, they were making me far MORE depressed. Nobody even told me this was a possibility.
Starting a job in mental health and watching these videos are not the best, i feel so much resistance and no motivation to continue in the field but its what I always wanted and don't know what else
There’s no moral dilemma It’s a clear choice I was a nurse for 25 years Never questioned these meds, I would have questioned the validity of what I see in this channel maybe, get out while you can.They destroyed my brain and career in a short time. Once you’ve had access to the truth, you cannot unsee
it doesnt provide a feeling opposite of depression, it initially provides you with a high that lasts a few months and then an overall detachment from negative emotions and overall flatness. Positives - Unbothered Negatives - Feeling the same all the time, becoming quite obnoxious
Ime SSRIs don't help with depression as they seem to numb things which is generally the opposite of what a depressed person needs.. but I feel they may help with anxiety/mood disorders
For me personally, SSRIs worked very well in the very short term, say around 6 months. After 6 months on escitalopram I started experiencing emotional numbness and apathy. It was useful as a stop gap to get myself into therapy and start working with a psychologist for a more tailored diagnosis and treatment protocol including non-SSRI psychiatric medication. I do believe SSRIs have a place as a temporary life preserving emergency floatation device, however, you can't toss it to someone and not continue trying to pull them out of the raging ocean, back onto the raft, and eventually back to land.
Half the woman in my family and extended family are on anti-depressants, mostly SSRIS. You really don’t have to have a be a medical researcher to see that the major effect of these drugs is to mute and numb, both positive and negative emotions. It’s especially noticeable when you are close to someone who starts taking them. Those people become more “dull”, not in cognition, but in their ability to express and be receptive to others expressions. Another interesting observation, is they might not always notice this change in themselves. No secret, but these drugs also tend to be quite damaging to romantic relationships. A combination of the sexual dysfunction they cause and the emotional blunting, I suspect they have had a not so insignificant role in the ever skyrocketing divorce rate.
So in short, they only work because they change the way you feel. So really its all about how you feel, and you might as well change that in other ways, other more healthy, holistic and natural ways, which doesn't cause any of the negative side effects which medicine does.
I agree with what you say but isn't this just what most drugs do? Seems to me that most don't fix/cure the problem they just make it so that the symptoms are reduced and therefore have less of an impact on your quality of life. If they don't fix the problem, what does? And if we don't have anything or know for sure, then isn't symptom management all we have?
Well the problem and the reason he does what he does, is while typical drugs can take weeks to get off of, withdrawals of these meds can take years. They're incredibly dangerous sin that way.
@@pixality7902They also won't tell you that antidepressants can be highly addictive. Not as much as nicotine obviously, but my docs were still denying it. Did some research and who would've thought...
No, that's not true at all, most drugs have clear pharmacologic mechanism that directly counters the cause of illness. With psychiatric medications it's just theories and hypothesis.
@astrahcat1212 Years? I have weaned myself off SSRIs twice, very slowly by halving my dosage until withdrawal symptoms (I call them the head fizzy-pops) go away and then dropping down to half again. It took me four to six weeks. I mostly did this because of the expense of the meds. I would maintain for a while but then find myself fighting abulia again. At this point I'm back on and feeling no guilt over needing them. I hope videos like this don't cause a counterreaction in the medical industry that will make SSRIs difficult to get. Of course, we're all different. If you don't do well on antidepressants then don't take them. Decades ago, I once had a doctor fob me off with Elavil over an actual physical problem that was hard to diagnose. Doctors are not gods. They are as fallible as the rest of us.
Gaining weight would depress me. That is why i refused prozak when it was pushed on me for absolutely no good reason when i was 14. Thank God I did. People i know on these pills are miserable.
SSRI’s very nearly killed me. When I woke up in the hospital, the doctor forced me to keep taking them, continuing the harm. I went through an absolute nightmare, which I still have PTSD from, all due to these dangerous “medications.” I was hospitalized twice while on SSRI’s because of the effects they had on me. While at one hospital, the doctor threatened me with jail if I refused to take SSRI’s (I never committed a crime in my life, this threat was just to keep me on them). I was taken to a state mental ward just because I wanted to stop taking SSRI’s, where they held me, and forced me to take even more SSRI’s. SSRI’s destroyed an entire decade of my life, while doctors insisted that I needed to be on them for life. I never had depression before SSRI’s, but I sure did while I was on them, plus psychosis. That was over 14 years ago. I haven’t touched an SSRI since, and had a much better life once I got off of them, though I’m still suffering the after effects, as they did a number on my body. If a doctor insists I take any type of SSRI again, I walk out. Some doctors have gotten angry, and it’s because they want to prescribe SSRI’s for everything from hot flashes to headaches, but I refuse.
Seems like you’re leaving something out of this story. Unless you live in some third world country, what this doctor did according to you would instantly have his license revoked and get the hospital sued into oblivion lol. Any patient has a right to refuse care, unless you’re planning on hurting yourself other others, in which case you can be put into a psych ward for exactly 1 week. If you did hurt yourself or others, its completely ethical for a medical provider to make a decision for you as youre absolutely not in the right mind to take care of yourself. How did you let SSRI’s destroy an entire decade of your life? You couldve stopped taking them at basically any point you decided to. Unless you were on some sort of medical watch due to you not being able to take care of yourself.
How can you be 'forced' to take a drug? I just flat out told my doctor I'm done taking them. Either give me lorazapam or I'm gonna get it illegitimately. Didn't prescribe it, so I went and got it myself. On the hard days, I take one. 8hr half-life. I get through the day. I'm doing better.
@fkauthority They can make someone take drugs if they're put into a psych ward. Technically you have to be considered a danger to yourself to be forcibly admitted, but I have seen this requirement be used very loosely; once you're admitted experiences are highly variable but a number of them operate on a 'prove your way out' system, and drug refusal is seen as defiance and refusal to get better even if a person has valid reasons not to want to take it
Everyone reacts differently to medications. I cannot tolerate any of them. This should be taken into account. I had gut infections, and instead of trying to get to the bottom of this, I was constantly offered anti depressants. I recently got a new doctor, and without me mentioning any symptoms I had, I was offered an antidepressants! I had to go to a naturopath to get treated.
Amazing. Finally a clear and balanced description of what’s going on. Great nuance! Wish this was around before I started down the track of trial and error with medications that led nowhere.
@@i_dont_want_a_handle it’s more expensive in North America but our treatments and overall medical care is more advanced. We pay more money for a reason. The state that i live in has the richest people in Europe fly to it just for the advanced care technologies our hospital has.
I'm a counselor in private practice, and I hate that so many of my clients take psych meds. There is so much research that shows lifestyle changes such as exercise, better sleep, healthy eating, meditation, and so many other things have a bigger effect on someone's mental health, have few if any side effects, and are usually cheaper if not free.
These issues are talked about constantly in publications. Dr. Josef is merely bringing it to public attention as well, which is great so patients can demand better treatment from their often not so great doctors.
During COVID I worked in a very sick patient population ICU and had feelings of severe depression, anxiety, and anger. I ended up on a low dose of buspirone and felt much better but my primary (the only NP I could get in to see) wanted me to stay on it. I had quit that job and was in a much less stressful environment. I got off it after a taper of about a week and haven't needed it since. I was on it maybe 3 months total. I really didn't like the drug because I was very luke warm. I couldn't feel lows or highs. THAT is how we should be using these medications, as brief aids to help people get through a difficult period while they work through their problems with therapy.
Whatever FDA says I try to avoid it. I found myself in this rabbit hole of so many industry lies when I read "The 23 Former Doctor Truths". Its no wonder why Doctor left her career.
Nobody who retains their intellegence through the nueorlogically damaging lobotomy hours of study and internship could stay quiet unless they also have had their conscience burnt out.
You charlatans with MD credentials should lose your license to practice medicine..you are making general statements with potential to harm millions of people Without knowing these patients...
Psych meds are being heavily prescribed. People don’t know that they will give people “some kind of effect” but not one of healing. People are being completely misled. It is an ethical problem.
My experience- antidepressants are essentially placebo with horrible side effects and beyond brutal withdrawals. I'd be healthier and happier if I had never been lied to about those drugs, their safety, and their effectiveness.
I told a 'psychiatrist' that the zoloft wasnt working and she just upped it. Absolutely careless and dangerous. Truth is, i never started taking them. I wanted to see what she would do
My mum was like that with her doctors. First with xanax then with three different ssris at once. She always said they didn't work and they would say: then tale some more. I guess that is the practice. She Almonte ended her life because of that stuff. And she only neede to change her job!
The crappy thing is that these drugs also often have limit time usage. I have read the medication pamphlets and see that a lot of them shouldnt be used past 8 months or so. It also doesnt seem people are educated on the affects the meds will have overtime: they will take the medication such as zoloft/sertantaline which gives many people an increase in mood but then after about 2 to 3 weeks that effect is basically gone and the person doesnt realize it is to be expected and thinks the med isnt working, they dont feel like crap but they also dont have that high anymore. So what happens is they increase it, with minimal high and then eventually change the med or continue to be depressed and not change any behaviors.
8:40 also, any drug, coke, amphetamine, heroin, methylated spirits, whatever, is going to shake up your body chemicals and produce some shift in mood, motivation, etc. It doesnt mean theyre a good treatment for depression.
Absolutely he's becoming a hero of our time, I'm sure the bigger he gets the more the bigger sellout UA-camrs will come down hard on him, because he'd be taking on pharma.
@@astrahcat1212 I have a feeling that there won't be that much of that thing. Not this time. Not with him. He's got too many experienced people backing him up like us. This isn't a bunch of conspiracy theorists. It can all be proven. People are losing months and years of their lives and we're done with the BS. I had to taper for 2 years and then it took me several more years to get my life back.I'll go anywhere to stand up for this guy and I'm sure there are others like me. He's helping people get their lives back and helping others to avoid the dangers awaiting them.
What I was given a few years ago: - An SSRI (Cipralex in my country) What I actually needed: - ADHD Medication (Strattera) - Insomnia Medication (Seroquel) - Therapy - 5000IU of Vitamin D3 (I am deficient by this much during winter) I am grateful to have a psychiatrist that actually listens to me and works with me and I feel a lot better after addressing the root cause, sleeping way better and staying asleep and I can function day to day as well
I have always been wary of the antidepressant class of drugs. I believe they might be worse than placebo. They just don’t take into account of these other negative drug effects, especially when depression is such a fuzzy diagnosis to begin with. At the end of the day, these drugs are numbing agents only, not a neurotransmitter balancing pill. The narrative needs to change on the depression diagnosis and trying to use pills to fix it. It’s a myth how one can think these drugs work this way.
I was on various antidepressants most of my adult life… they never really helped. I went from overly medicated with severe mental health issues with several hospitalizations to off all the medication and happy and healthy. I worked on my lifestyle - healthy whole foods, weight training, 8k+ steps a day, keeping stress down and getting adequate sleep. It wasn’t easy, but it’s possible.
Since when were anti depressants a cure? They were never advertised as that. Depression as a side effect hampers motivation. You take them so you are motivated enough to take the necessary steps to fix the root cause of your depression. I've read comments of people taking it for years on end and changing nothing in their life, no shit you blame doctors you didn't stop to reflect enough or at least be with a therapist with express purpose of helping you figure out what the cause is.
doctors don't care about you, they make you wear suncream and take vitamins instead of acquiring them normally. the sun isnt harmful to you, if it was, your body wouldn't be imitating it like all other creatures by producing very weak light. there wasn't many cases of mental illnesses before our current inactive and lacking of sunlight + influx of blue light lifestyle. all light pierces through the skin and bone meaning it affects everything in your body, so all those medical experiments without light control and sunlight versions is irrelevant. all of medicine is a hoax
I’ve lost two friends very soon after they started anti-depressants, and in my experience with these meds, I can see why. It also gave me longterm negative side effects such as twitching, blurred vision, eye floaters, migraines, numbed emotions, brain fog, etc. I haven’t been on them for 2 years and still have those symptoms. I would never recommend these evil meds to anyone
I had suffered from serotonin syndrome years ago, then horrible brain zaps even with slow antidepressant withdrawal. No medication helped for long. My faith in Jesus, lifting weights, walking and sunshine have been my biggest helpers in depression. I am disabled, now, so I no longer lift weights, but I walk when able. My faith is stronger than ever. Praise, glory and deep gratitude to God!🙏
@@sweetsummerrain8086 Praying for you to be led to repentance and accepting Lord Jesus' saving grace.🙏 Isaiah 55:6-7 Seek the Lord while he may be found; call on him while he is near. 7 Let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thoughts. Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.
My first antidepressants were so bad for me. I was so numb to the point that I felt nothing mattered. No sense of urgency or responsibility. I felt like a husk of a person. My current ones along with my ADHD meds are amazing. I feel clear minded. I still feel emotions deeply but my sadness doesn’t break me. But I am aiming to wean off of antidepressants in the next 5 years. I am slowly learning how to take care of myself and I am on therapy.
Thanks for your insight very interesting I am working towards getting off 5mg lexapro (from 10mg)I gained over 30 lbs and have other "wonderful" side effects I can't stand any longer
Ive always been small at 5 foot 3. Lexapro in my early 30s made me gain up to 160. I quit and now weigh 117 but covid vax injury last year made me lose down to 77lbs. It's a long story. Quit if you can. Prayers
I was on antidepressants for a few years and I had all of the issues you described and more as I went through different drugs. - numbness - diarrhea - upset stomach - agitation - increased depression And the last drug made me unreasonably angry all the time.
Fun fact the idea that antidepressants fix a chemical imbalance was created by an ad agency team says everything you need to know. I never wanted antidepressants because side effects, but then also I have a home life where I don't feel safe so feeling numb would make me less safe.
I'm generally anti pain killer. Your body was designed to say hey something isn't right here, fix it. Then you address it and the pain goes away in the future, your body's way of saying it's fixed. That's what pain sensation is for. If you're numbing your head, you aren't able to feel the pain sensation and keeps you from addressing it. Great moneymaker for our society but terrible for mental well-being.
Safe to say sertraline saved my life. I don’t think I’d have been able to take much more of the hell I was in when I was depressed. It was truly horrible and the medication gave me enough respite from the symptoms to be able to the things that helped me tackle the underlying problems. They are not a cure within themselves, you still have to work on yourself. But my personal experience has been very positive.
@@bryannaliebsack6187 Exactly. So then they don't help you get anywhere but keep you in arrested development. Which is a problem discussed in the video. We can even discuss whether you might have moved in a better direction with less of their influence, albeit in a messy way. I would say it is a bit like choosing eyeglasses that don't correct perfectly. The best medication level probably isn't the one that makes you feel and work best, because that's a crutch taking full control over your life. But I understand that life tends to be so challenging that for some (hopefully not many) people the prospect of taking drugs for the rest of their life in order to stay in one place is already satisfying enough. - Yet this empowers it to turn into a norm, which puts increasing burden on others. (The pharma industry loves it because everybody loses and they thrive on that.)
And what about PSSD and persistent damage? No mention at all. At least you were on the end that gets no damage, we deeply regret being prescribed to. We were promised help and ended ruining our lives. Best wishes.
Take responsibility for yourself. People like you are why I never became a doctor. Entitled, whiney and obtuse. I bet taxpayers or family members pay for your care too.
Like with almost any medicine, theres rare side effects. You made the decision to take a medication and you’re always advised to read a list of all the side effects. The medicine didn’t play out well and it sucks that it happened to you but just because you got a rare side effect doesnt mean the medicines entirely bad. Tylenol can cause kidney failure in people with weak kidneys yet is safe and effective for 90% of people. Should we then never prescribe Tylenol to people?
@EAEAAAEAEE It ruins your entire life and they literally say its impossible. I literally asked them if symptoms could persist after stopping. They said no. I stupidly believed them. Never did I know they could be this bad.
I was, like so many, misdiagnosed in my 20s with depression (I am actually Autistic). And taking this meds was awful! It didn’t help at all, obviously. Getting off of them was the one of the worst physical experience ever (electric shock sensations). It’s just toxic!
I was on different antidepressants for years, and I will NEVER go back to them. It was the worst experience of my life, even worse than the depression itself. I went from AD to AD when they didn't work until I found one that did, and it was terrible. It's literal poison. It took me almost 8 months to ween myself off of Venlafaxine, which was still awful. The brain shocks were probably the most scary.
Wish I had bought pharma stocks instead of getting started on antidepressants 25 years ago. I would then be able to say today that I had benefitted from antidepressants.
underrated comment!
LOL. This is phenomenal. The snark. *chef's kiss* & 100000000000000000000000000000000% accurate.
This subject matter isn't funny whatsoever. People have chosen to die over this unethical healthcare. But this snark is outstanding.
None of us have had ANY benefit from these Pharmaceuticals. All theyève managed to do is DECREASE our quality of life.
Our brain chemistry, nervous system, digestive system, endocrine system, etc have all been quite-literally damaged.
Spot on!
Do you still take them? It’s been 20 years for me and I want to come off but I’ve tried a few times and my anxiety was in overdrive. I wonder if they permanently change your brain?
@@ashatan4554I believe they do. I’ve been on them for 30 years and from the research (term used minimally) I’ve done, it would take a long process to come off them safely and still may have side effects while my brain tries to reestablish the normal function of the synapses. 😮
Just a P.S.A. to amyone reading these comments - DONT STOP THESE SUDDENLY, its better to wean off otherwise you might have symptoms from withdrawing.
seriously, the side effects are not something you want happening in ur brain. youll feel them for a looong time
Better yet, do not stop any medications without discussing it with your provider
Even if they worked as promised. That reason alone is enough to be suspicious of them.
Get a job and stop being sensitive 😂
@@cortanathelawless1848is it? many substances (drugs and others) shouldn’t be suddenly discontinued. habituation is a quality of human bodies, and withdrawal symptoms are the flip side of it. even food, even someone wants to successfully lose weight it’s typically the worst course of action for them to suddenly drastically reduce their calorie intake, these people will experience the worst cravings, exhaustion, and other negative health effects of rapid calorie restriction and are most likely to regain weight and suffer negative long term impacts to the metabolic system. whereas making gradual smaller lifestyle changes usually brings about the opposite. i don’t find the natural processes of habituation and withdrawal to raise suspicion, there’s plenty of other criticisms that are more compelling.
What I was given:
- An antidepressant
What I really needed:
- ADHD medication
- Hormonal control for my severe PMDD
- 6,000 IU daily of Vitamin D to fix a severe Vitamin D deficiency
It is dangerous to believe that antidepressants have solved a problem when their main effect is numbing. It’s like giving a person painkillers and having them walk on a broken leg. It doesn’t fix the issue and creates more issues long term. And the fact that you stop looking for an actual solution. Antidepressants shouldn’t be regarded as a “final destination” therapy unless absolutely needed, just as painkillers usually aren’t the final destination therapy for physical pain (unless no other options are viable).
A young woman from Germany said she gained 42 kilos from antidepressants - CCHR video.
@@stevekaylor5606 Many SSRIs act more like anti bacs, completely wiping out the gut microbiome. Depending on diet and the make up of the gut microbiome, weight gain is common. It's why a common side effect is diarrhea or constipation, depending on the person.
@@Cantfindabettername Thus, a new version of 2nd Degree Assault!
@@stevekaylor5606 with the way they're presented and prescribed without proper caveats, yes. In my case, low dose for a month significantly improved my insane sugar cravings. Turns out certain ssris are extremely effective against biofilm forming bacteria like candida albicans and even streptococcus strains. Now that I know what I know, I'm tapering off the drugs and loading up on fermented foods.
Why would you trust the medical industry when it comes to ADHD and its supposed treatment, when the industry has blatantly lied for decades about depression and SSRIs? It totally makes sense that a stimulant drug is going to have a stronger impact on how a person feels than an SSRI does. That doesn’t mean that ADHD is what we have been lead to believe it is.
This is exactly what i've been telling my family for years, licensed professional doctors are not always correct, they do what they are taught and very rarely do you find one who goes out of their way to change things up.
Blind faith in someone you don't know despite their authority is something that should never be given.
Credentialed, status quo doctors!
Pretty sure narcissists are behind the "proof" for every "treatment" for diseases that are caused by them.
That's what is regarded in the system so the most compliant people end up as doctors. Then they illiterate any intellegence they had with long hours of study and interning which neurologically imagines them. Creating very arrogant very uncurious very compliant army of dispensers of drugs.
Put a chimp in a long white coat and Boomers will believe literally anything they're told.
I had a doctor tell me once that I need to take anti-psychotics for 6-12 months every time I get even slighly upset lol.
Dr. Somanathan Damodaran, Priya Medical Center, Ottawa Ontario Canada.
My psychiatrist said straight away, the medicine is to make me feel better, and therapy and lifestyle changes will make me better. The meds are supposed to aid me in getting there.
exactly.
what helped me a lot is psychologist therapy and also 1 week of Hoffman process
Exactly alone its just like someone taking blood pressure medicine and making zero life changes.
Same bro. My psychiatrist explicitly said "these are a band-aid, not the root solution"
I can't make the lifestyle changes needed to feel better (having a job that pays me a living wage, having affordable healthcare, having my civil rights guaranteed)
Y’all are brainwashed sheep
It's true that SSRI haven't taken my C-PTSD away, but neither did years of therapy. If I stop taking them all the anxiety, self-hatred, and suicidal ideation return, but if I keep taking them, I can genuinely say I'm a happy person who's glad to be alive. I used to discard antidepressants as a big farm lie and think the real treatment for depression was a healthy lifestyle and psychotherapy, now I think antidepressants can be an essential part of the healing, though still not all of it.
Thank you for saying that. I finally realized in my sixties that my chronic anxiety came from CPTSD. I mostly recall the stressful circumstances that caused my hypervigilance and floods of cortisol in response to stress. But knowing doesn't change things. The right medication helps what cannot be changed by any amount of talking about it.
This really points to the issue I feel actually exists with SSRI's. The effect of the pill itself is small, but the most common story I hear for peoole that say they are on antidepressants, is that they told their doctor about how depressed they were, and the doctor prescribed the meds without doing any testing or anything.
To contrast:
I got my adhd meds upon a meeting with a psychiatrist(not the family doctor), then had to give 3 forms of close people that had to evaluate me, and the last doc did a neuro-feedback scan that took me an hour to do and a bloodtest to see if I havr any deficiency that would explain the symptoms.
It's a bit wild to me how the process with SSRI's is about just trying different meds and hoping one will work forever.
My opinion (unprofessional and anecdotally informed) is that SSRI's should be handed out when all other deficiencies have been ruled out for the cause of a mental illness, and when they are prescribed, they should come in combination with therapy that deals with actively retraining old thinking patterns (to start opting away from these doom-loops).
have you tried weaning off SSRI slowly? Like, not getting off cold turkey.
As someone who got off SSRI, I could confirm that my mental health issue do not go away with both therapies and drug. But at least I learnt to live with it without additional burden from medication. I find tapering off slowly is the only safe way to quit SSRI
Same!!! Keep it up 👍🏻
You’ve hit upon some important points here. First, is that psychotherapy isn’t particularly effective for depression. It can be helpful, but it’s not going to be curative for most people.
The second important point, is withdrawal symptoms. Withdrawal symptoms make people feel like they need to stay on the medications. They falsely believe that the SSRI has actually been helping them, when the reality is that the worsening depression when trying to come off, is just withdrawal. They need to be weaned off VERY slowly to minimize this.
Irvine Kirsh makes a very good argument that antidepressants are all placebo in his book The Emperors New Drugs.
Now, I’m not telling you to stop the medication. Maybe it’s actually helping you, and maybe it’s better than the alternative, but maybe you’ve become dependent on it.
I've been on SSRIs for a little over 8 years. They completely numbed my emotions; it was pure apathy. I feel like they actually made my depression much worse. Just recently, I decided that I've had enough. It's been a week since my last dose and I'm finally starting to feel things again. I'm crying a lot, but I love it. It's such a beautiful feeling and I've been robbed of it for almost a decade.
Dr. Josef, thank you so much for your work ❤️
Robbed of it for more than 20 years myself...
Same here. They blocked my emotions, which is horrible when you wanna cope with something. Ssri's are not just not helping, they damaged me. I'm off of it now and felt immediatly better after i tapered off. Thanks dr. Josef
@oShinobu I'm glad you're feeling better after coming off SSRI's. The crying frequently thing is totally normal, it's your body processing the emotions that were blocked when taking the antidepressants.
Your experience of them numbing your emotions, was what I experienced too. Something good happened and I wouldn't feel good, something bad happened and I wouldn't feel bad.
I'd rather have the normal ups and downs of life, than to just feel soul-crushing grey numbness. I also felt my life is better without SSRI's.
Here's hoping your enhanced emotional sensitivity thing settles down soon, so you don't need to cry as much.
@@davidestabrook5367 I needed to numb my emotions, to go through a period of stabilising my psychological pain in order to process the mental health situation without struggling emotionally, to heal the imbalance and inability to effectively control the madly swinging mood reactions within my damaged psyche . Detach and find my way back to the happiness and normality I sought but couldn’t find behind the emotional blockage. Break free from the physical and mental torment shadowing my uncontrollable loss of sense of well being. Intellectual healing is able to be faced without fear clouding the understanding of the way back to the path you must walk to achieve that place of wellness again. Then try to hold it on still waters with a taper plan and rebalance when you feel ready.
I'm so "jealous" of you. I've been off citalopram for a year and I'm still totally blunted and severely cognitively impaired. I don't understand why I can't heal.
I’ll be honest. I’m currently taking 20mg of Lexapro and I’m seeing a psychologist to help me with CBT. I guess I’m one of the lucky ones and I am experiencing no side effects from the medication, and since being on it I feel like a new person. I have been watching Dr Josef’s videos for some time, and it saddens me to hear the terrible reactions some people have to these medications. Truly, the degree of variance in how people respond is so big. Thankyou for providing such informative content and questioning the mainstream narrative.
Lexapro made my depression much worse. Glad it works for you.
Wait for it….
Years later…
Effects…
No relief.
More and more drugs
More effects
Labels
Effects labeled as hypochondriac or uncooperative
Think about it…
If you vote blue, you know their is a problem.
Lexapro works for me tooo. Now I heard everyone brain chemistry is different so you have to keep try different ssri for the one that works for you.
Yup. SSRIs and SNRIs work for some people but doctors need to stop pushing them so much. Cymbalta saved my life but nearly killed my brother.
I did 15 years of therapy and psychiatry with meds. Ive been told that i was depressed and took meds for that for close to 8 years. They then told me that i was in fact bipolar and took meds for that. A stint in a mental hopsital caused me to have a seizure from the cocktail of drugs they gave me while under hospital care.
Years later, i did LSD microdose a few times, and i was able to move on from issues i had faced as a child and im glad to say ive been off all mood drugs for 8 years now. I work in pharmacy and it breaks my heart to watch these doctors play guess and check with these meds while their patients dont get any better.
The potential medical benefits of psychedelics are wild. I'm glad you had a breakthrough.
I was on anti-depressant medication for five years as a teenager and it numbed my emotions so much that when I stopped it was like the world went back to color.
I also realized my depression was a symptom of larger unprocessed trauma as well.
I hope you are doing better now.
But psychedelics are dangerous drugs with no benefit according to the government and society.
I’m glad to hear that doctors are questioning this process too. My personal experience with anti-depressants isn’t very positive. I started therapy at 12 and medication at 13 for a diagnosed anxiety disorder and depression. By 16 I was numb and we had changed medication 4 times.
By that point it felt like not taking medication would be impossible because I needed it to function. Depression was always around the corner and my therapist kept insisting the medication was working. I begin to see my brain as being “emotionally imbalanced” and requiring constant medicine to work.
At 17, my older sister died unexpectedly and I was extremely suicidal. No medication could fix that, but doctors tried.
… one day when I was 18 I just… stopped medication. I was a bit horrified by how much more I could feel things. Good things and bad things alike. For years I’d felt unable to be sad but also I alone to be joyful. I cried in the rain one day because it was something I used to love I could suddenly it feel again. I wasn’t numb anymore.
I’ve been medication free for around 5 years and it has given me more perspective on how my brain works. I cant always regulate my emotions but I can regulate my behavior. Therapy is a good thing, but I’m not so convinced that medication is the answer to depression. For me, the answer is always finding things in my life I can change and getting more people to talk to. I look back at my 12 year old self and worry about how doctors assumed medication was the best option. It’s hard to find a 12-15 who isn’t dealing with emotional distress and medicating it away led to years of emotional numbness and feeling like any bad day was a symptom that the medication wasn’t working.
My antidepressants help me so much! It was never severe at all. By that constant negative voice went away. I’m always for the most part in a great mood and focused.
What antidepressants do you take? I don't believe exchanging names of our meds should be of any harm.
@@ranjittyagi9354 I don’t care, I take Wellbutrin. It’s great because it also helps with my ADHD.
what medicine do you take?
@@Nanzrl Hello. Did you ask me or OP?
Honestly same, I take Effexor and it's been life changing. I had to go though a few others that made me feel terrible after I found the right one for me but now I feel great.
They really aren’t for everyone, but ssris have changed my life! Anxiety / panic disorder patient here
Same, Zoloft took my panic attacks away completely, yeah my dick didn't work for a few months, but it's worth it, been off for 5+ years now
They have changed my life too! By permanently numbing my emotions to the point I actively need to kill myself. Without warning it could happen. No real support. Just gaslighting.
Yet if I say that nobody cares. All that matters is the people who were helped
Yes! So much happier and functional on them!
Same here! They were a game changer for my OCD anxiety brain! I don't get how this doctor could be against them when they are helping so many of us with anxiety disorders.
@ right!
As a colleague, and someone with years of experience in clinical trials, I enjoyed your video and found it informative and straightforward. You could make an entire other video on the unreliability of endpoint determinations and compliance in these trials! In clinical practice I find that these medications are overprescribed and poorly monitored, and that responders react relatively quickly with respect to non responders. Keep shining a light on these topics!
As someone who went through years of therapy and anti depressants/ mood stabilizers/ and anti psychotics, I can 100% tell you that coming off the meds and taking my life habits more seriously helped way more than the meds. For alot of people who just have bad life habits and tendencies, these meds are just a short term fix that can make the problem worse long term.
What kind of life habits?
the meds are supposed to help you in doing the hard work, not do it all on their own.
@ oh absolutely, but they often aren’t marketed that way, and most prescribers do not explain that well enough.
@@therealtulip honestly dopamine disrupting habits, terrible sleep schedule, willfully staying in a toxic environment, and terrible self image.
@@hobgoblin9339I have Bipolar Affective Disorder type II, I went to several psychiatrists, until I was diagnosed in 2022. In 2019, I had a very strong depressive crisis, and my history with antidepressants began, and in bipolar patients their use is not recommended. I used different types, I had several side effects, I felt like I was a drug addict. I used some mood stabilizers and couldn't adapt, always having side effects, these medications are very strong. I currently only use Lamotrigine as a stabilizer, the only one I can identify with. I still think there is some way to alleviate it, or even re-emit it, by using supplements, vitamins, minerals. But for the pharmaceutical industry $$ is not interesting, and some doctors also benefit from it. I'm researching a lot on this subject.
I'm a psychologist, and I've been taking 40 mg Prozac for years. This all makes a great deal of sense to me! Thank you for such clarity on all the issues; it is, indeed, a shame that psychiatric meds get bottom-of-the-barrel research compared to other drugs, just as in general, mental health is not taken as seriously.
I used to take an antidepressant. I felt it numbed me. I changed my diet and cut out processed foods, sugars, and grains. My mental health greatly improved! I think clearly, sleep well, and have a positive outlook on life. No medication needed.😊
Well done!
Keep up the good work.
😊
I find it crazy that SSRIs are for a "chemical imbalance" yet we can't even imperically measure these chemical levels in the brain
Oh but go tell people they need to eat better and exercise regularly?! No! They have this invisible mental imbalance!…
We now know that theory has been debunked in the last few years.
Inhibitors block the communication between the lower emotional brain and the upper sound brain
which means your thinking self has no clue how you are physically FEELING
I’m not against antidepressants and do believe that they help many people. However, the speed at which doctors jump to prescribing them for anything and everything is crazy. I am a mom who was paralyzed at C6 in an accident at age 34 when my children were very small. Obviously the first weeks after my injury were incredibly difficult and I was grieving the autonomy and future life that I had lost. Within the first three weeks when I was still in the ICU, a doctor came in and put me on SSRIs because I was “too sad” and crying “too much.” If I had been a year out from injury and crying every day, I would maybe understand the doctor’s insistence on an antidepressant. But I was newly injured, still on a respirator and fighting for survival, and I had no history of depression. My reaction to my circumstances was completely justified and normal. The fact that doctors won’t just let people grieve and dole out depression drugs for grief is ridiculous.
SSRIs are the only thing that have allowed my brain to not panic at all times
A beta blocker did the same for me with less side effects.
I had sudden onset of chronic severe disequilibrium for a year before anyone tried to help me. Still not diagnosed but ENT thinks it's vestibular migraine. It has caused anxiety, panic attacks and PDST like symptoms anytime I felt a little off. It was so bad it's start a feedback loop I couldn't stop with conventional breathing or distraction.
Part of the reason I wasn't treated was because my attacks were silent. I could calmy tell you I don't feel right but the only indication anyone would see is my left hand would start shaking and my vitals would go through the roof.
Going into month 3 of using the medication. I almost felt normal when I hit the grocery store today. Getting a little better each day.
Same. They seem to be more effective at treating anxiety than depression.
one of our family friends was quite a traumatized person.
her dad was injured falling off a ladder, her mom fought breast cancer, her brother was diagnosed epileptic, and she was anorexic as well as bullied.
Everyone in her family was put on ssri’s and none of them EVER changed for the better. I eventually had to entirely cut the girl out of my life.
Those people needed help, not ssri’s to numb them.
Thank god for those who question the status quo.
Thank god for you! You’re beautiful
I have been taking them for 20 years and I’m in a masters nursing program. They suck, have a ton of side effects, and they are prescribed for everything.
@@michelleespino9814 the only good thing I can say about SSRIs is that it's not as bad as being dependent on benzos
You probably didnt watch the whole video lol
@@michelleespino9814 it is possible to ween off of... I did it with Lexapro
My trauma made it so difficult to relax and constant fight /flight is exhausting. After three weeks i feel like i can breathe for the first time in years. If i only gave them a chance instead of selfmedicating with opiates.
Which one helped you? I’m in a similar boat. 🙏🏻
@@GulfKat I am on 60mg duloxetine, the generic version of Cymbalta.
@@GulfKatdifferent types works for different people. Go to psychiatrist. I found mine after switching like 4 or 5 times.
Alprazolam does that for me, but it's a different mechanism of action.
@@GulfKat find a certified doctor and chose what’s right for you. Different drugs work differently on different people
You should see the tortured souls in some of the help groups for those permanently injured by these meds. It's ghastly. It's a small percentage, but it doesn't matter if it's you.
I'm one of those people. A commonly prescribed ssri destroyed me. Every breath I take is pure agony
@@gemini-vibes6118I'm very sorry to hear that. I pray your suffering is alleviated and that you will find solace.
We will be seeing many more of those you may be entitled to compensation commercials in the future. At 15 years old I was prescribed the anti-psychotic drug Seroquel and have lost my ability to regulate body temperature ever since. I'm 27 now. I found ways to cope with it but it is awkward to explain why I am always cold.
@gingeralice3858 same. I have total dysautonomic dysregulation. Nothing in my body is operating right anymore. I could even learn to live with all the dysautonomic dysfunction and chronic fatigue if i could just get my emotions and cognition back. Together, it's all too much. My life is over
@@gemini-vibes6118 You are not alone. I am so sorry your experiencing this! The problem with these drugs is they can re-wire brain chemistry permanently. It’s such a massive issue and many are suffering in silence. Try and get that word out. The very Least I can do is pray for you. To help with “depression” naturally I recommend B vitamins. may be deficient is key vitamins that affect neurotransmitters. Especially when it comes to any kind of autonomic nervous system dysfunction.
I believe there's a palatable difference between depression and distress; and the same logic follows anxiety.
I think of distress as an emotional response that has a reasonable cause; A breakup/bullying/financial difficulties/unstable home life, etc.
I think of Depression/Anxiety as having no active reasonable cause. "I feel eyes on me at the grocery store even though no one's looking at me."
Our world is kind of failing us in a major way these days. It's expected to feel hopeless and lost when you're living paycheck to paycheck and the fridge is empty. I wish these medications weren't being taught and marketed as a blanket cure-all. What other choice do we have?
Zoloft won't pay my bills, but it might keep me from crying during a 12 hour shift.
Depression is just 21 century reincarnation of drapetomania - rational response to objectively terrible external condition gets pathologized as a mental illness.
They aren't getting to the heart of the problems, if a family members dies or you have a breakup or you feel small in the world, the solution isn't manipulating the brain, because the brain isn't in a sense the mind or soul or spirit. The spirit needs healing, and the brain changes accordingly.
They don't want to. That would be a holistic approach where a person gets outside, gets movement, gets decent sleep, eats a healthy diet full of real food. And to connect with people so they can get exposure to what kindness looks like.
@@Sarah-with-an-H and that's just it, what we really need is to all be kinder and care about each other and the planet, I know I sound like a cliche hippie but it's true
@@astrahcat1212 I agree and getting outside eating real food getting moving and forming connection would do that.
you are totally wrong if you think that its about outside world, its your biochemistry that is fucked up not environement. The problem is that those drugs mask symptoms instead of resovling root cause. There is potential for environement impact which is called epigenetics but still resolution is much more about biochemistry which is different for different people, some may have heavy metals overload, others have low methylation, some people have too high methylation, some have condition like Pyroluria which make them deficent in nutrients crucial for mental health etc and talking like its about spirit is dumb af because your brain is not some magical thing thats dependent on god.
@@inittiela4934 its not biochemistry its the entire picture of your life and what you do. The biochemistry concept was made up by an ad agency to sell antidepressants.
My life has been greatly improved with Citalopram. I was an extremely anxious person due to 2 cardiac conditions. Addition of Citalopram (2007) greatly lowered my anxiety and I am able to go about my day normally. When doing 2 challenge tests to see what happens when I stop my dose the anxiety always returns. I'm doing fine on it and won't rock the boat anymore!
they won't listen, youtube algorithm recommends this video to people who already believe it because they had bad experiences with healthcare (which is likely) and those who are fine have nothing to complain about so you never hear from them
I am happy it worked for you, citalopram gave me panic attacks!
@@someguy2885 you need to get through the beginning they work later
@@PixelstarWASD I'm a psychiatryc patient and I'm very much a fan of modern pharmacology, and I got this video recommended too. It's so manipulative, the same old "the science is lying, don't trust doctors" rhetoric but in a slightly more sophisticated form. Horrible
@@jvishnevetskaia when you look deeper and deeper under the hood you'll find out that it's antisemitism, but don't say that part to any individual or they get vexed because the dogwhistle onion is so layered they have benefit of the doubt
This is how I ended up on social security for 17 years. It wasn’t until I stopped listening to “mental health professionals” that I was able to overcome crippling depression and anxiety. That was 1.5 yrs ago, today I am back at work after almost 2 decades and functioning normally with very few symptoms that are easily regulated through behavior modification - something I had to learn on my own. The medical establishment exists for the same purpose as any other big business and that is not to benefit you.
Did you stop taking the medication? Was it difficult?
I think in some cases it enables people to continue lifestyle choices that aren't serving their best interests. I'd rather a doctor tell me to change something I'm doing than prescribe me a pill, but they don't get time to comb through every detail of someone's habits to find tweaks that can be made. Some people don't take well to being told to stop behaviors that bring them pleasure, or to start doing things that are like a daily chore. We all have busy lives so I think a lot of doctors don't even bother to say it because it offends some people.
I'm a doctor. I don't prescribe antidepressants as I work in the Emergency Department and when I was depressed I didn't take them as I understand the evidence to not be that strong. But I find your comment overly cynical. Sure pharmacy companies are there to help themselves and US healthcare is extortionate (I work in NZ) but the vast majority of my colleagues got into this job to help people
@@warbler1984I disagree with vast majority, I'd say it's 50 percent or so
You are a beautiful example of hope for many who are trapped in this dead end life.
I remember one of my professors (I’m a psych major) saying that one of the big problem in these drug studies is that medicines are rarely compared to each other so we can’t narrow it down to what works best for what patients. I’m really interested in you mentioning antidepressants having calming drug effects too, I’ve noticed the people I’ve talked to with sever anxiety actually like their antidepressants.
It is a pharma marketing term. There is no pill that is antidepressant, they are anxiolytics, sedatives.
In the 1980s benzos anxiolytics had such a bad reputation that they had to sell the new generation with a new marketing name.
You can watch the history of this in David Healy youtube videos.
Not to mention that they can cause from mania to worse depression and even nothing depending on the person and other variables.
Best wishes.
Antidepressants are becoming the standard treatment for anxiety disorders because they have such a positive effect on them and are less problematic than benzos.
I had a gene testing done, which helped show which antidepressants were most likely to be beneficial to me. And it showed medicine goes through my system fast, so I need a larger dose. Obviously, I still had to try a few before finding a good one, but it helped a lot. Medicines have such strange differences person to person.
I am in school now, and I can't question my professors. Mainstream disease management is the gold standard. I am glad there is a platform like this! Thank you!!!
You always can if you are respectful
@@nami1540it’s not really that simple. I think what the commenter means is that they can’t question the status quo, which is being perpetuated by those in higher level positions such as professors, doctors, etc. They are paid to be complacent. Then, when someone with good intentions questions something, they are labeled as a conspiracy theorist or seen as just plain stupid. These people don’t accept challenges to the mainstream, because it threatens their comfort and livelihood. That is what the comment, I believe, was referring to.
I'm one of the people Antidepressants has been super helpful for. I'm so glad I'm on them, and whenever I go off them, I always massively notice the difference as my emotions are a total roller coaster. On them, I feel sane, calm and capable. I feel like for many of the studies they simple studied people like me who they really help!
Modern studies actually conclude their ineffectiveness. The general world of medicine just doesn't want to talk about it because it would take away a simple answer and there would be less money to be made.
Besides, there is no way they could know the study object's reactions beforehand.
I know the thought might be bitter for you, but have you ever considered that you want to keep taking AD's because you're experiencing withdrawal symptoms? What if you could've been as calm without them, if only you had waited longer or had changed some changeable circumstamces in your life?
It's highly likely that the AD's aren't even good for you, statistically speaking.
@@ensco7 I appreciate your care (genuinely), but the withdrawal symptoms were never that bad for me and they were very short-lived. Beyond a shadow of doubt SSRIs are helpful to manage mood swings and anxiety for me. Beyond something a placebo could do. I can say this with comfortable certainty as I'm a counsellor and required to do significant therapy myself to maintain my accreditation! I hear they may not be as effective as previously thought (I, too, have read the studies), but for some people they are. I'm one of those people.
Rebound symptoms are a thing.
@@ensco7 If our lives were not in need of change prior to the medication, we would not have started taking the medication.
It does not actually matter to me whether it is a withdrawal symptom if it makes my life more comfortable, fulfilling, and satisfying. There is no bitterness to that consideration.
@@ensco7 Can you send a link to the research showing their ineffectiveness? I looked it up and can’t find anything. So…🫤
Took antidepressants for a year. All it did was numb me out and give me brain zaps. Awful crap.
Also, my depression exists because life is depressing not because of a “chemical imbalance.” I am capable of experiencing joy and excitement in life, but I rarely do, because (again) life is depressing.
It's better to be sober and live a more real life. Dedicate your life to doing good for yourself and others in a dark world it's the only real reason to live.
"Show me the Chemical Balance Tests!" - Jeffrey A. Schaler
Life is depressing because you have turned away from the rememberance of your Lord.
Allah Almighty has said in the Quran:
20:124
وَمَنْ أَعْرَضَ عَن ذِكْرِى فَإِنَّ لَهُۥ مَعِيشَةًۭ ضَنكًۭا وَنَحْشُرُهُۥ يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَـٰمَةِ أَعْمَىٰ ١٢٤
"And whoever turns away from My remembrance - indeed, he will have a depressed [i.e., difficult] life, and We will gather [i.e., raise] him on the Day of Resurrection blind."
What you really need is to return to your true purpose, which is to worship your Lord, alone, without any partners.
Allah almighty has said (interpretation of meaning):
51:56
"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me.
51:57
I do not want from them any provision, nor do I want them to feed Me.
51:58
Indeed, it is Allāh who is the [continual] Provider, the firm possessor of strength.
51:59
And indeed, for those who have wronged is a portion [of punishment] like the portion of their companions [i.e., predecessors], so let them not impatiently urge Me.
51:60
And woe to those who have disbelieved from their Day which they are promised."
However, when you truly fulfill this purpose, that is when you achieve true happiness.
16:97
مَنْ عَمِلَ صَـٰلِحًۭا مِّن ذَكَرٍ أَوْ أُنثَىٰ وَهُوَ مُؤْمِنٌۭ فَلَنُحْيِيَنَّهُۥ حَيَوٰةًۭ طَيِّبَةًۭ ۖ وَلَنَجْزِيَنَّهُمْ أَجْرَهُم بِأَحْسَنِ مَا كَانُوا۟ يَعْمَلُونَ ٩٧
"Whoever does righteousness, whether male or female, while he is a believer - We will surely cause him to live a good life, and We will surely give them their reward [in the Hereafter] according to the best of what they used to do."
@@astrahcat1212 Agape love is mental health - why isn't this being coached by Mental Health personnel, instead of Labeling + neurotoxic drugs?!
@@lhays117 Strive for a better life.
My. loved one was devastated from years of taking these meds in addition to meds for another mental illness. The toxicity of theser drugs is astounding, and I now firmly believe it takes years off an individual's life. The lack of apppropriate studies is shocking, and prevents, as you say, patients from making informed choices.
Safe is taken as prescribed by your doctor. Nothing back then about suicide.
@@jjk2oneNo, you're missing the point of the entire video. These drugs are NOT safe even if taken as prescribed. Your doctor's prescribing isn't a magical incantation. They are dangerous if you take them, whether a doctor is involved or not.
Eh anecdotal. You are not a doctor or a medical professional. You don't know if this is true, you're just saying it.
Dr Josef is not suicidal and lives a happy life
IKR 😂
Right once I stopped taking mine I started remembering important memories from childhood I repressed and suppressed and quickly realized I never needed meds I was just traumatized
to quote one of the comments: "I got erased as a person." I only took an antidepressant for several weeks but within days, felt completely in a depersonalized state..it was similar to some mescaline I tried decades ago (baby boomer) and hated with a passion....I don't know how any mind can adjust to the loss of their sense of self.....
I also had the “emotions get washed out” from coffee. But the effect was temporary. I have this feeling like both coffee and Lexapro had a similar and synergic effect on me acting together in the same way. Coffee affects many things we don’t know about. But yeah.. before Lexapro I woke up and went to a hop coffeeshop going to meet an attractive girl. Now.. I barely care! I’d be too lazy if offered the opportunity. It’s like being two people - the shadow of the old self and the new numb self. But I can also switch into my social normal brain when I am with people though, but now I just avoid it and stay alone. It’s like my nervous and hormonal system got damaged and bifurcate, like two pathways formed - one old one and one numb one and I just go to my number one out of fear now.
It can, since the drugs neutralize the very senses and ability that indicate to you that you are in fact losing your sense of self... That's how it worked with me.
@@TalRachman I don’t even care that I became numb I forgot what it was like before
Did you get back to normal?
@@MsAkiman I personally did not four years later but I abuse coffee and work night shifts so there are other factors but I do get old feelings back finally
I worked in a psychiatric hospital environment for over 30 years. As a clinician, and as part of the clinical team, I worked hand in hand with prescribers and of course, have been very aware of various "holes in the game" of anti-depressant use. More specifically, over time, I observed and chronicled responses to these (and other) medications, primarily psychiatric, and just how poorly most people responded to anti-depressants. Yes, I would say most. In fact, I can safely say that for many, many people, their symptoms would be exacerbated by ADs, and additionally, that new symptoms that were seriously complicating the client's overall condition would arise. In fact, I have seen many people become suicidal while taking them, and have seen people actually, measurably, become more symptomatic while taking them. Even in private practice, where I dwell now, the vast majority of people I know that are taking AD medication cannot say whether or not they feel the medication is helping, hurting, or doing nothing at all. In the end, following the research, I have come to have little faith in many variants of psychiatric medications for real reasons, based on real clients taking them.
Bingo! "...the vast majority... cannot say whether or not they feel the medication is helping, hurting, or doing nothing at all." I think many people stay on antidepressants out of a "don't rock the boat" mentality. They don't know if the meds are helping, but in case they might be, it's best to just stay on them. I know that was my thinking, and it kept me on one or more of them for 20 years. The only one that boosted my mood tremendously was the very first one, Lexapro, and I often wonder if it felt like it worked so well b/c I was going 'up' from such a low state, the contrast was marked. The one drawback, though, is that feeling better might mean you don't have any strong incentive to take concrete steps to work on your problems or make improvements.
Dr. Josef.. You're the GOAT with what you're doing.
Just imagine how easy it would be for him now that he has come so far to be a doctor to just lock in and do it all for the money.
Can't thank you enough, I'm glad there are honest people like you in this world.
Josef and a few others will not walk the lockstep !
New study. Put patients on a good, free diet and nutrition and social program. Given them hope and purpose and some fun hobbies. They would never come back.
That's what happens on Soteria houses. But if the Soteria model gets adopted by the majority an "industry would die", the pill industry. And that would be "unamerican".
It's unjewish, that's what it really would be.
#Sackler family
European countries would never do that kind of stuff, without America as a role model, or overlord.
@@ajax700 Along with the status quo - of the Mental Health Industry!
@@ajax700 I like that. Is Soteria Houses here in the US? Docs are drug pushers- plain and simple.
@@19374hklmaq It's ALL about the money- not healing. Not helping. Even good Docs are part of an evil, money hungry system that causes real harm to people. Desperate people seek out Doctors for help and they get harmed. They visit the devil and he gets them addicted to drugs. Shameful. I am not exaggerating either. I know many Doctors- the good one's will actually admit this to you over drinks. They don't like it but they are trapped in a system and trying to survive so they go along to get along. They graduate with massive student debt. Then their identity and marriage, and friends are conditional upon them being a well earning Doctor.
Drug pushing does not solve people's problems with living. Writing prescriptions should only be done as a last resort. Ingesting powerful drugs as a coping mechanism is not a healthy choice.
Too much reliance on drugs, whether prescription/recreational, being used to cope with problems in society, Doctors should not be selling drug use to people, especially for monetary gain.
@@kathryn7739 Greed is a powerful motivator
My life was unmanageable and I wasn't coping. They gave me a diagnosis, something about chemical imbalance, and prescribed pills for it, saying I needed to be sure to stay on medication or else something dire might become of me. Well, something dire did become of me. I stayed on the bloody medications, got worse, was told it was me, my "illness," couldn't relate well to people or organize my life or come up out of the brain fog to think or make choices, went on disability, didn't get to live my life as it should/could have been. Same old, by now, familiar, story. 38 years on that crap. It should have never happened. I was robbed.
@@janebethshimon I was robbed too. can Psychiatry is quackery.
@@kathryn7739 Are doctors getting money for each prescription they write, and also when they increase the dosage? This financialization factor may be subconscious!
I believe antidepressants are not necessary for everyone, but they helped me and I am glad I wasn’t afraid to try.
Ive had a theory for awhile and please do correct me if im wrong. a specific serotonin receptor or subtype could provide antidepressant effects. The problem is that serotonin receptors can do a wide range of things. So modern antidepressants are like taking a fully automatic serotonin pew pew and blasting a range of receptors. So in a sense you did stimulate the correct receptor to provide antidepressant effects but you also just "hit" many other serotonin receptors which can provide a plethora of other effects including worsening of depression. Sort of like what is seen in psychedelics where mentally there can be a wide range of effects from euphoria and giddiness to dispair and fear.
Great video, man. So glad to hear a professional talk about my experience. Rent know it was so common. Thought I was just especially broken
I do remember getting laughed at at one point after I described some pretty intense adverse effects. Neither ADHD meds, nor antidepressants were at all tolerable for me. What helped me was reframing. I needed to change how I viewed the world and look at things more objectively. I haven't hated myself for years. I do still get anxiety, but it's nowhere near as debilitating. I still get sad, but, even if I feed the sadness, I no longer have the capacity to be nearly as miserable as I used to be.
We need more psychiatrists and industry insiders who speak out.
The summary of what is wrong with the current drug testing methods was very useful... plus the suggestions on how to make them better.
🙂
P.S. I've always wondered why drug trials seem unfit for their intended purpose.
Psych drugs are the worse... but the problem seems to permeate virtually all drug trials.
The more I study the more I appreciate the myriad of ways that the system is being gamed.
The love of money has corrupted the system.
'Psychiatry is sincerity, fraud, force and financialization!' - Thomas Szasz
Mistake #1, thinking your Doctor truly has your best interests in mind. Dr. J. however is a gem.
My Dr has my best interest in mind. She has helped me taper and doesn’t want me on medications. Almost done.
My doctor does have my best interests in mind but then I live in Canada where they just paid and there isn't profit motive. So different that the dentist that works on corporate owned and shady business practice to milk as much insurance money as they can.
@@chrismaxwell1624 Exactly. Doctors are simply part of a healthcare system. In the US, they do as they are told. They are told to write scripts- many, many, many scripts. My Doc. visibly got upset when I lost weight and started running and eating KETO. She hates that I am low carb. She is losing a customer.
@@4GSLmusic But who put you on those meds to begin with? IN the US most docs don't care about us, at all. I had a surgery, and called my general doc. to tell her it went well. She never even called me back.
You sing pretty good- better than me. Your tone could use a little work. What kind of guitar is that? I run a Fishman Mini Loudbox- best tone there is. You can DI to a PA. I say this as I sit here and loop a nice progression of Am7, Em7, FMaj7, G. Try it! It's really beautiful- it's in C. I like to solo over it in C Maj. Penta.
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SSRIs helped me at first to lighten up. Kept taking them for over a decade believing the medical model that I had naturally low serotonin levels. I was on paroxetine when I finally started questioning why I was taking this med. No doctor ever suggested I should get off the drug. I did the research and tapered off very gradually knowing that paroxetine has one of the worse withdrawal impacts. I went through 6 months of hell of withdrawal, it was awful, and several more months of lesser withdrawal symptoms. Right then, I came down with chronic fatigue syndrome. ME/CFS is often triggered by impacts from a viral sickness, but I believe my condition was triggered by intense crazy impacts from paroxetine withdrawal. Thanks medical science!
“Here take this! It might help. But it almost certainly will also give you another symptom or two that will bring you back to me for even more meds”
Wow. I began antidepressants in 1986. It was the worst decision of my life. 23 years total of quack crack destroyed my life. Been clean for 3 and a Hal;f years now and at 61 I am now regaining the cognitive abilities and joy that I felt in my twenties. I nearly forgot who I was for 4 decades. I'm lucky to have survived it all. What hell.
How did you got of the antidepressants?
I´m on it for 17 years now and would want to stop....
Thank you!
@@connydm729 I cold turkeyed...but that was a bad idea because I ended up in the hospital for 7 weeks. Try Will Hall's Harm Reduction Guide.
💛 I hear you. Same. 20 years with SSRI. It destroyed my life and relationships, job and finance. I was numbed and didn't understand myself how they affected me. Also neurological issues. Unfortunately almost Cold turkey and sick and disabled 14 months off. Memory, cognition, intelligence still affected. CNS injury. Hope it can heal and that I survive.
@@Snowflake1374 can you grow an organic garden? Change your diet radically. There are videos about paleo and keto oin mental health and healing. Gut health is extremely important as well as circulation. I wish you best of luck!
I am suffering from aphantasia, amnesia dissociation, emotional numbness, sexual dysfunction, cognitive dysfunction at the age of 28. Will I ever be alright. I have left medicines. But am planning suicide
They do work. Not for everyone, but for many. They have side effects but you have to weigh up the costs. Some people need these to function and stay alive.
They don't "work" the way most doctors will tell you.
And the probability of them being advantageous for you is quite small. They're good for a tiny portion of the people consuming it, considering most psychiatrists prescribe them way too quickly and most patients don't do research. And when you realize that they just do harm to the majority of people, it really is the biggest scam in medicine.
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I think the insight portion of the HAMD-17 scale really got me. So acknowledging you can be depressed due to societal alienation, or economic status, being overworked/poor work life balance, scores you higher than just saying you're depressed and that's it? How does that even make sense when there's plenty of science showing that these things 100% contributes to depressed feelings and mood?
It might seem so, but insight should differentiate between acknowledging external factors for your depression and just blaming things beyond your control for the way that you feel. A person who has insight into their depression should acknowledge that while their mood is affected due to outside circumstances, their inner thought processes amplify their feelings of guilt or hoplesness and they should work on fixing that.
@@tudorandor1412 If possible, one should change the external factors first.
Extreme, unrealistic example, but just to show the thought process: Imagine you're being held in a torture chamber and there are keys that you could get to to escape if you tried hard enough. But you also know that the pain would be a little less severe if you tried to resist feeling it, if you were thinking of good things etc. Would you go for the keys? I think so.
Now, where the comparison fails is that we can't know everybody's situation; whether the external factors are bad enough to be causing the pain. That's to be looked at individually.
I'd bet that changing your perception and "accept" things is usually not the right way to go about it.
@@tudorandor1412 I would say you both have a point.
The scale also highlights that pharma does not have incentives to find a real solution but rather to find drugs that improve the score on that sheet and we saw how questionable it is...
I got on venlafaxine for menopause. Nobody tells you about side effects. If I missed a dose I got so dizzy I couldn't walk. It took years to get off. I eventually got to an every other day dose & was able to stop. I have rarely, if ever, had a doctor discuss side effects. Statins are the most recent. Now that I've educated myself, it is shocking what I've never been told, including that lowering LDL cholesterol has practically no effect on reducing your risk of heart attacks and strokes, that it interferes with vitamin D and hormone synthesis, and increases my chance of diabetes and dementia.
I almost ended it when I was on antidepressants. I thought “I’m already on antidepressants. This is as good as it gets for me.” Turns out, they were making me far MORE depressed. Nobody even told me this was a possibility.
Starting a job in mental health and watching these videos are not the best, i feel so much resistance and no motivation to continue in the field but its what I always wanted and don't know what else
On the contrary, you can make more of a positive difference in patient's lives if you hear more opinions from educated people like Dr. Josef.
There’s no moral dilemma
It’s a clear choice
I was a nurse for 25 years
Never questioned these meds, I would have questioned the validity of what I see in this channel maybe, get out while you can.They destroyed my brain and career in a short time.
Once you’ve had access to the truth, you cannot unsee
I thought the same to be positive but how do you go against the system as a whole, where do i find the support within?
You are coming into a powerful position to CHANGE things! Help the community!
@@astrahcat1212the medical field doesn’t need more people with god complexes.
it doesnt provide a feeling opposite of depression, it initially provides you with a high that lasts a few months and then an overall detachment from negative emotions and overall flatness. Positives - Unbothered Negatives - Feeling the same all the time, becoming quite obnoxious
I didn't get I high I got numb so I quit
Everyone should make of habit saying "I/me" instead of "you".
Ime SSRIs don't help with depression as they seem to numb things which is generally the opposite of what a depressed person needs.. but I feel they may help with anxiety/mood disorders
For me personally, SSRIs worked very well in the very short term, say around 6 months. After 6 months on escitalopram I started experiencing emotional numbness and apathy. It was useful as a stop gap to get myself into therapy and start working with a psychologist for a more tailored diagnosis and treatment protocol including non-SSRI psychiatric medication. I do believe SSRIs have a place as a temporary life preserving emergency floatation device, however, you can't toss it to someone and not continue trying to pull them out of the raging ocean, back onto the raft, and eventually back to land.
Half the woman in my family and extended family are on anti-depressants, mostly SSRIS. You really don’t have to have a be a medical researcher to see that the major effect of these drugs is to mute and numb, both positive and negative emotions. It’s especially noticeable when you are close to someone who starts taking them. Those people become more “dull”, not in cognition, but in their ability to express and be receptive to others expressions. Another interesting observation, is they might not always notice this change in themselves.
No secret, but these drugs also tend to be quite damaging to romantic relationships. A combination of the sexual dysfunction they cause and the emotional blunting, I suspect they have had a not so insignificant role in the ever skyrocketing divorce rate.
So in short, they only work because they change the way you feel.
So really its all about how you feel, and you might as well change that in other ways, other more healthy, holistic and natural ways, which doesn't cause any of the negative side effects which medicine does.
I agree with what you say but isn't this just what most drugs do? Seems to me that most don't fix/cure the problem they just make it so that the symptoms are reduced and therefore have less of an impact on your quality of life. If they don't fix the problem, what does? And if we don't have anything or know for sure, then isn't symptom management all we have?
Well the problem and the reason he does what he does, is while typical drugs can take weeks to get off of, withdrawals of these meds can take years. They're incredibly dangerous sin that way.
The more insidious thing is the withdrawal effects. That very few doctors seem to be forthcoming about (if they even know).
@@pixality7902They also won't tell you that antidepressants can be highly addictive. Not as much as nicotine obviously, but my docs were still denying it. Did some research and who would've thought...
No, that's not true at all, most drugs have clear pharmacologic mechanism that directly counters the cause of illness. With psychiatric medications it's just theories and hypothesis.
@astrahcat1212 Years? I have weaned myself off SSRIs twice, very slowly by halving my dosage until withdrawal symptoms (I call them the head fizzy-pops) go away and then dropping down to half again. It took me four to six weeks. I mostly did this because of the expense of the meds. I would maintain for a while but then find myself fighting abulia again. At this point I'm back on and feeling no guilt over needing them. I hope videos like this don't cause a counterreaction in the medical industry that will make SSRIs difficult to get.
Of course, we're all different. If you don't do well on antidepressants then don't take them. Decades ago, I once had a doctor fob me off with Elavil over an actual physical problem that was hard to diagnose. Doctors are not gods. They are as fallible as the rest of us.
Gaining weight would depress me. That is why i refused prozak when it was pushed on me for absolutely no good reason when i was 14. Thank God I did. People i know on these pills are miserable.
Finally a kind and honest doctor❤
How do you know? You don't know this guy. Don't be so gullible.
You explain everything so well!! This was fascinating to listen to.
SSRI’s very nearly killed me. When I woke up in the hospital, the doctor forced me to keep taking them, continuing the harm. I went through an absolute nightmare, which I still have PTSD from, all due to these dangerous “medications.”
I was hospitalized twice while on SSRI’s because of the effects they had on me. While at one hospital, the doctor threatened me with jail if I refused to take SSRI’s (I never committed a crime in my life, this threat was just to keep me on them). I was taken to a state mental ward just because I wanted to stop taking SSRI’s, where they held me, and forced me to take even more SSRI’s.
SSRI’s destroyed an entire decade of my life, while doctors insisted that I needed to be on them for life. I never had depression before SSRI’s, but I sure did while I was on them, plus psychosis.
That was over 14 years ago. I haven’t touched an SSRI since, and had a much better life once I got off of them, though I’m still suffering the after effects, as they did a number on my body. If a doctor insists I take any type of SSRI again, I walk out. Some doctors have gotten angry, and it’s because they want to prescribe SSRI’s for everything from hot flashes to headaches, but I refuse.
Seems like you’re leaving something out of this story. Unless you live in some third world country, what this doctor did according to you would instantly have his license revoked and get the hospital sued into oblivion lol. Any patient has a right to refuse care, unless you’re planning on hurting yourself other others, in which case you can be put into a psych ward for exactly 1 week. If you did hurt yourself or others, its completely ethical for a medical provider to make a decision for you as youre absolutely not in the right mind to take care of yourself.
How did you let SSRI’s destroy an entire decade of your life? You couldve stopped taking them at basically any point you decided to. Unless you were on some sort of medical watch due to you not being able to take care of yourself.
How can you be 'forced' to take a drug? I just flat out told my doctor I'm done taking them. Either give me lorazapam or I'm gonna get it illegitimately. Didn't prescribe it, so I went and got it myself. On the hard days, I take one. 8hr half-life. I get through the day. I'm doing better.
@@fkauthoritythey can’t, unless you are a danger to yourself or others , AND have a court order/ are hospitalized .
There are absolutely details being omitted from this story.
@fkauthority They can make someone take drugs if they're put into a psych ward. Technically you have to be considered a danger to yourself to be forcibly admitted, but I have seen this requirement be used very loosely; once you're admitted experiences are highly variable but a number of them operate on a 'prove your way out' system, and drug refusal is seen as defiance and refusal to get better even if a person has valid reasons not to want to take it
Everyone reacts differently to medications. I cannot tolerate any of them. This should be taken into account. I had gut infections, and instead of trying to get to the bottom of this, I was constantly offered anti depressants. I recently got a new doctor, and without me mentioning any symptoms I had, I was offered an antidepressants! I had to go to a naturopath to get treated.
Really interesting presentation, especially as a current first year medical student
Amazing. Finally a clear and balanced description of what’s going on. Great nuance! Wish this was around before I started down the track of trial and error with medications that led nowhere.
Very informative video! Clearly presented and well explained, thank you!!
How much medicine revolves around $$ is a crime!!!!!
Nobody is watching over the patients! It’s all corrupt and a crazy scam.
not everywhere, here in eastern europe a pack of zoloft is just $6, north americans are fucked tho
A patient cured is a customer lost.
@@i_dont_want_a_handleto say the truth psychiatry in post-soviet countries is far worse than in the USA.
@@i_dont_want_a_handle it’s more expensive in North America but our treatments and overall medical care is more advanced. We pay more money for a reason. The state that i live in has the richest people in Europe fly to it just for the advanced care technologies our hospital has.
I'm a counselor in private practice, and I hate that so many of my clients take psych meds. There is so much research that shows lifestyle changes such as exercise, better sleep, healthy eating, meditation, and so many other things have a bigger effect on someone's mental health, have few if any side effects, and are usually cheaper if not free.
Please consider writing an article of this info in a respected publication.
These issues are talked about constantly in publications. Dr. Josef is merely bringing it to public attention as well, which is great so patients can demand better treatment from their often not so great doctors.
During COVID I worked in a very sick patient population ICU and had feelings of severe depression, anxiety, and anger. I ended up on a low dose of buspirone and felt much better but my primary (the only NP I could get in to see) wanted me to stay on it. I had quit that job and was in a much less stressful environment. I got off it after a taper of about a week and haven't needed it since. I was on it maybe 3 months total. I really didn't like the drug because I was very luke warm. I couldn't feel lows or highs. THAT is how we should be using these medications, as brief aids to help people get through a difficult period while they work through their problems with therapy.
Whatever FDA says I try to avoid it. I found myself in this rabbit hole of so many industry lies when I read "The 23 Former Doctor Truths". Its no wonder why Doctor left her career.
Nobody who retains their intellegence through the nueorlogically damaging lobotomy hours of study and internship could stay quiet unless they also have had their conscience burnt out.
Which is larger, your age, or your IQ?
You charlatans with MD credentials should lose your license to practice medicine..you are making general statements with potential to harm millions of people Without knowing these patients...
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Believing the opposite of everything can be worse than believing everything just look into things and come to your own conclusions
SSRI’s are the silent epidemic
I see psychiatric drugs as the next Opioid Crisis
Psych meds are being heavily prescribed. People don’t know that they will give people “some kind of effect” but not one of healing. People are being completely misled. It is an ethical problem.
I agree! And Benzodiazepines and sleep drugs and blah blah blah etc
@@celestepiccolo6586 Psychiatry’s whole kit & kaboodle needs to be seen for what it is: legalized drug pushing
That's not really true though. But it surely makes for a sensationalist comment that will get upvotes.
I’m so happy someone’s finally talking about this
Very well put together Joe! You are one of the most educated doctors I have known. Keep preaching. ❤
Thanks for your courage to let the evidence speak without bias.You are a breath of fresh air for the everyday person.
My experience- antidepressants are essentially placebo with horrible side effects and beyond brutal withdrawals.
I'd be healthier and happier if I had never been lied to about those drugs, their safety, and their effectiveness.
Same 😢
I told a 'psychiatrist' that the zoloft wasnt working and she just upped it. Absolutely careless and dangerous. Truth is, i never started taking them. I wanted to see what she would do
@@Divergent333 SMART MOVE.
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Thats... not how this works, dude.
@@gnomebanta2297how does it work then
My mum was like that with her doctors. First with xanax then with three different ssris at once. She always said they didn't work and they would say: then tale some more. I guess that is the practice. She Almonte ended her life because of that stuff. And she only neede to change her job!
The crappy thing is that these drugs also often have limit time usage. I have read the medication pamphlets and see that a lot of them shouldnt be used past 8 months or so. It also doesnt seem people are educated on the affects the meds will have overtime: they will take the medication such as zoloft/sertantaline which gives many people an increase in mood but then after about 2 to 3 weeks that effect is basically gone and the person doesnt realize it is to be expected and thinks the med isnt working, they dont feel like crap but they also dont have that high anymore. So what happens is they increase it, with minimal high and then eventually change the med or continue to be depressed and not change any behaviors.
8:40 also, any drug, coke, amphetamine, heroin, methylated spirits, whatever, is going to shake up your body chemicals and produce some shift in mood, motivation, etc. It doesnt mean theyre a good treatment for depression.
It's terrific that we have experts to tell us what's obvious.
SSRIs were a God send to my general anxiety disorder. Incredible--I felt the impact immediately (within 2 hours)
Can you please make more videos about SSRI damage, adverse reaction and severe withdrawal/ brain and CNS injury.
First. You're an inspiration Dr. Josef.
Absolutely he's becoming a hero of our time, I'm sure the bigger he gets the more the bigger sellout UA-camrs will come down hard on him, because he'd be taking on pharma.
@@astrahcat1212 I have a feeling that there won't be that much of that thing. Not this time. Not with him. He's got too many experienced people backing him up like us. This isn't a bunch of conspiracy theorists. It can all be proven. People are losing months and years of their lives and we're done with the BS. I had to taper for 2 years and then it took me several more years to get my life back.I'll go anywhere to stand up for this guy and I'm sure there are others like me. He's helping people get their lives back and helping others to avoid the dangers awaiting them.
@@astrahcat1212 I don't think that will happen. There are too many of us who'll back him up. I know I will.
@@astrahcat1212 Dr. Josef will not become a neurotoxic drug dispenser !
What I was given a few years ago:
- An SSRI (Cipralex in my country)
What I actually needed:
- ADHD Medication (Strattera)
- Insomnia Medication (Seroquel)
- Therapy
- 5000IU of Vitamin D3 (I am deficient by this much during winter)
I am grateful to have a psychiatrist that actually listens to me and works with me and I feel a lot better after addressing the root cause, sleeping way better and staying asleep and I can function day to day as well
I have always been wary of the antidepressant class of drugs. I believe they might be worse than placebo. They just don’t take into account of these other negative drug effects, especially when depression is such a fuzzy diagnosis to begin with. At the end of the day, these drugs are numbing agents only, not a neurotransmitter balancing pill. The narrative needs to change on the depression diagnosis and trying to use pills to fix it. It’s a myth how one can think these drugs work this way.
I was on various antidepressants most of my adult life… they never really helped. I went from overly medicated with severe mental health issues with several hospitalizations to off all the medication and happy and healthy.
I worked on my lifestyle - healthy whole foods, weight training, 8k+ steps a day, keeping stress down and getting adequate sleep. It wasn’t easy, but it’s possible.
Since when were anti depressants a cure? They were never advertised as that. Depression as a side effect hampers motivation. You take them so you are motivated enough to take the necessary steps to fix the root cause of your depression.
I've read comments of people taking it for years on end and changing nothing in their life, no shit you blame doctors you didn't stop to reflect enough or at least be with a therapist with express purpose of helping you figure out what the cause is.
doctors don't care about you, they make you wear suncream and take vitamins instead of acquiring them normally.
the sun isnt harmful to you, if it was, your body wouldn't be imitating it like all other creatures by producing very weak light.
there wasn't many cases of mental illnesses before our current inactive and lacking of sunlight + influx of blue light lifestyle.
all light pierces through the skin and bone meaning it affects everything in your body, so all those medical experiments without light control and sunlight versions is irrelevant.
all of medicine is a hoax
I’ve lost two friends very soon after they started anti-depressants, and in my experience with these meds, I can see why. It also gave me longterm negative side effects such as twitching, blurred vision, eye floaters, migraines, numbed emotions, brain fog, etc. I haven’t been on them for 2 years and still have those symptoms. I would never recommend these evil meds to anyone
I had suffered from serotonin syndrome years ago, then horrible brain zaps even with slow antidepressant withdrawal. No medication helped for long. My faith in Jesus, lifting weights, walking and sunshine have been my biggest helpers in depression. I am disabled, now, so I no longer lift weights, but I walk when able. My faith is stronger than ever. Praise, glory and deep gratitude to God!🙏
Your faith in Jesus is delusional.
@@sweetsummerrain8086 Praying for you to be led to repentance and accepting Lord Jesus' saving grace.🙏
Isaiah 55:6-7 Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.
7 Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.
@@sweetsummerrain8086 Whether someone is religious or just a fan of Andre Rieu - he can become exalted!
Christ is King ❤️
@@ashatan4554 Ash, you are a Christ like figure!
My first antidepressants were so bad for me. I was so numb to the point that I felt nothing mattered. No sense of urgency or responsibility. I felt like a husk of a person.
My current ones along with my ADHD meds are amazing. I feel clear minded. I still feel emotions deeply but my sadness doesn’t break me. But I am aiming to wean off of antidepressants in the next 5 years. I am slowly learning how to take care of myself and I am on therapy.
How do you regained emotions, I am emotionally numb since two years after taking psychiatric medicines, is there any medication for emotional numbness
Thanks for your insight very interesting I am working towards getting off 5mg lexapro (from 10mg)I gained over 30 lbs and have other "wonderful" side effects I can't stand any longer
Can I ask if you dropped 5mg in one go and how it was for you?
Ive always been small at 5 foot 3. Lexapro in my early 30s made me gain up to 160. I quit and now weigh 117 but covid vax injury last year made me lose down to 77lbs. It's a long story. Quit if you can. Prayers
I was on antidepressants for a few years and I had all of the issues you described and more as I went through different drugs.
- numbness
- diarrhea
- upset stomach
- agitation
- increased depression
And the last drug made me unreasonably angry all the time.
Fun fact the idea that antidepressants fix a chemical imbalance was created by an ad agency team says everything you need to know. I never wanted antidepressants because side effects, but then also I have a home life where I don't feel safe so feeling numb would make me less safe.
I'm generally anti pain killer. Your body was designed to say hey something isn't right here, fix it. Then you address it and the pain goes away in the future, your body's way of saying it's fixed. That's what pain sensation is for. If you're numbing your head, you aren't able to feel the pain sensation and keeps you from addressing it. Great moneymaker for our society but terrible for mental well-being.
Safe to say sertraline saved my life. I don’t think I’d have been able to take much more of the hell I was in when I was depressed. It was truly horrible and the medication gave me enough respite from the symptoms to be able to the things that helped me tackle the underlying problems. They are not a cure within themselves, you still have to work on yourself. But my personal experience has been very positive.
Amen 👍
I'm on 4 different antidepressants and the last 2 years that I've been on them has been the MOST STABLE and emotionally bearable time of my life.
How and how much has your life changed in those years? Are you confident you can live without the drugs now?
@Dowlphin can you read? I don't want to live without the drugs, so 0% confidence...
@@bryannaliebsack6187 Exactly. So then they don't help you get anywhere but keep you in arrested development. Which is a problem discussed in the video. We can even discuss whether you might have moved in a better direction with less of their influence, albeit in a messy way. I would say it is a bit like choosing eyeglasses that don't correct perfectly. The best medication level probably isn't the one that makes you feel and work best, because that's a crutch taking full control over your life.
But I understand that life tends to be so challenging that for some (hopefully not many) people the prospect of taking drugs for the rest of their life in order to stay in one place is already satisfying enough. - Yet this empowers it to turn into a norm, which puts increasing burden on others. (The pharma industry loves it because everybody loses and they thrive on that.)
@@bryannaliebsack6187so you're an addict now. I was too, but now I'm free of this and haven't felt better in decades. It's possible.
And what about PSSD and persistent damage? No mention at all.
At least you were on the end that gets no damage, we deeply regret being prescribed to.
We were promised help and ended ruining our lives.
Best wishes.
Take responsibility for yourself. People like you are why I never became a doctor.
Entitled, whiney and obtuse. I bet taxpayers or family members pay for your care too.
I'd give anything to go back in time and stop myself from taking citalopram. PSSD has destroyed me on an incomprehensible level.
Nobody cares about us
Like with almost any medicine, theres rare side effects. You made the decision to take a medication and you’re always advised to read a list of all the side effects. The medicine didn’t play out well and it sucks that it happened to you but just because you got a rare side effect doesnt mean the medicines entirely bad. Tylenol can cause kidney failure in people with weak kidneys yet is safe and effective for 90% of people. Should we then never prescribe Tylenol to people?
@EAEAAAEAEE It ruins your entire life and they literally say its impossible. I literally asked them if symptoms could persist after stopping. They said no. I stupidly believed them. Never did I know they could be this bad.
Awesome video !
I was, like so many, misdiagnosed in my 20s with depression (I am actually Autistic). And taking this meds was awful! It didn’t help at all, obviously. Getting off of them was the one of the worst physical experience ever (electric shock sensations). It’s just toxic!
I was on different antidepressants for years, and I will NEVER go back to them. It was the worst experience of my life, even worse than the depression itself. I went from AD to AD when they didn't work until I found one that did, and it was terrible. It's literal poison. It took me almost 8 months to ween myself off of Venlafaxine, which was still awful. The brain shocks were probably the most scary.