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@@FightCommentary these 2 guys might as well play kiss chase, both ate right hands from the off, anyone with 6-12 months of boxing/thai would have slept both of em
Yes, mostly watching from the exterior we tend to have this (often only) illusion. ...And when you try yourself (the first time/s/)you look even more ridiculous... 😉
@@Memorixt I mean, I have competed and sparred quite a lot, but I suppose it's different getting filmed and put on the internet for everyone to criticise!
I know people are gonna say that Kenpo guy sucked, but even if he is inexperienced, that means that Aikido guy beat a regular guy, which people say Aikido can't do
@@911shan Actually, he was using aikido footwork, grapples and stance. No aikido throws, only one aikido technique, but all the aikido principles were there. It was mixed with something else and the karate guy sucked, but as an aikido black belt I can tell you there's aikido there 100%
I've studied Aikido and Karate. Neither one of them understand the most basic of boxing skills. Every kick was thrown with both hands down, no face protection. Most all punches were thrown stiff-armed with no counter-punch protection. Neither one of these guys actually knows how to fight.
Its not just that both their faces were open, aikido guy used a footwork move he has obviously drilled a lot step back then left lateral step and right punch used the same footwork 3 times and got 2 knock downs 1:27, 1:43, 2:03 That should show how important footwork is yet, not many people bother to get good at it aikido guy should have kept up his left hand up to guard though while stepping laterally, he might have easily stepped into a right hook or head kick if the karate guy knew what he was doing
Both of them took a straight right in the face in the first few seconds of engagement, a boxer would have landed a 3 punch combo, lights out for both of them.
@@AverageMojaveMailman don't they have Yoshinkan roots? I have seen their channel, but it is all Japanese so I can really only get the broad strokes and none of the details.
I don’t quite agree. They should, but they should be prepared that even in the best case they will loose the first some due to lack of (locally relevant and general) experience. If they school doesn’t offer them the possibility to spar and otherwise they are interested, this is a viable way to get experience.
I recommend this Italian video "La sfida karate e aikido Scicli", a video where a fight between two Italian masters, an aikidoka and a karateka, is shown, which takes place in Scicli, Sicily. It's up to you to watch and I hope you analyze it in another video!
@@alhkcblack9617 fighting is fighting, you don’t always “see” someone’s “style” while they are in the rush of combat. Their style comes from the way they PRACTICE. Go spar for yourself and film it.
He did use the classic aikido principles. Keeping distance and mainly using avoiding footwork to counter as soon as the opponent tries to close that distance which you could see quite well for most of the fight is pretty much one of the core elements of aikido. The footwork he used several times (you can see it very well at 1:27 entering, setting an action and then shifting out of the line of attack by drawing one of your feet to the side in a somewhat circular motion is also very typical for aikido. People tend to associate aikido with those big circular throws because thats what the post WW2 lineage that has become mainstream aikido and that trains Kata almost exclusively mostly does. older Aikido lineages do include striking. There is actually even a quote from the founder of Aikido that . “(…) in a real battle, atemi (striking the body) is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”
I've done a similar taikai in Aomori, Japan before covid. There was a mix of people from JKD, Kali, Systema, Bujinkan, Japanese weapons based system (I'm thinking Koryu art don't know which one), Karate and don't know the other systems represented. There were 2 groups fighting with 4-5 matches at the same time. One group was with soft weapons and group two was empty hands. After 2 minutes empty hands go to weapons side and weapon guys take their turn to empty hands. Empty hands portion wore gloves and shin pads. Weapons randori wore no protective gear but head shots were not permitted. If you can hit the shoulder you can hit the head mentality. Takedowns and throws were allowed (if a standing or ground grapple was initiated it is stopped after 5 seconds). The weapons fighting had same rule set. It was all soft weapons (pvc or bamboo core covered with foam and vinyl similiar to Yagyu shinai type). Weapons types were katana, wakizashi, knife, kama, spear, naginata, nagamaki, nodachi, roku shaku bo (6 ft staff) hanbo (3 foot staff), kusurigama (sickle and weighted chain), soft sticks escrima type & kodachi type. The soft sticks, kodachi & wakizashi were popular with the Kali and JKD participants. I was the only one that used the kusurigama & fought with a different weapons with different matches. Naturally katana beat knife 9 out 10 times. There was no point system involved (kill shots and cripple shots was enforced with weapons portion). Everyone just randoried. It wasn't a tournament but a bunch of guys getting together for the laboratory experiment. I think doing stuff like that every so often is good.
@@elenchusFighting experience matters more than the colour of your belt. If you do very little to no full-contact fighting, you're going to lose against someone with experience.
@@AverageMojaveMailman sure, but even if he did come from a style with tons of full contact, like kyokushin, if he's a beginner, he'd still be a beginner. Jiujitsu guys "roll" all the time, but a one stripe white belt is going to have a lot less grappling experience than a purple belt. Basically what I'm saying here is that beginners are beginners and we should temper expectations. This, assuming he's not wearing a yellow belt for some sort of competition reason I'm not aware of
Yes! Good to see you again! I didn’t see a comment from you for a while so I knew I wasn’t on UA-cam’s good side for some reason. Glad to have you back!
@@FightCommentary Yes, glad to be back. I think it's because I started watching some of Rokas' videos and then these aikido/aikijujutsu videos got recommended. Actually, I think it all started with his knee injury, which was a bit of a wake up call to me too. I think I'm going to get back to doing aikido for a while at least. I think we're all starting to get old enough where we're starting to get worried about injuries.
@@FightCommentary I went through a good long chess phase in my college days, a lot of fun and almost no injuries. It did ruin a relationship for me though, but I guess that's the risk you take with any competitive hobby. I find myself weirdly looking forward to going back to my roots in pre-war aikido/aikijujutsu and non-Olympic judo. I'm now experienced enough to see the flaws in that training, very significant ones, although I think I'm just so obsessively intellectually curious about submission fighting that I just desperately want to go back to these old techniques and see what I can do with them.
So is nobody here gonna acknowledge that aikido is supposed to be a grappling art? There was not a single attempt to do anything related to grappling in any way whatsoever. This looks like those gym bros who have watched a bunch of mma and copy what they see on screen shittily
@DouglasBuenoGomes aikido was designed for use with a sword. Throwing hand strikes while holding a sword is completely asinine because you have a far better striking option right there. Kicks? Sure. But primarily, Aikido should be a grappling art because that is what's helpful in armed combat, not solid boxing. There's a reason every culture developed war wrestling styles- Ringen, Shuai Jiao, Judo, etc- that is what you need on the battelfield.
In MMA, one example that uses Okinawa Kempo effectively is Katsunori Kikuno who knocked out a Thai fighter named Kuntap Charoenchai with Naihanchi Kata's Yama Tsuki (mountain punch). However, the practitioner of Okinawan Kempo in this video is absurdly incompetent. He doesn't even use distance control and timing effectively like Lyoto Machida or Patricio Pitbull. And why the hell he throws punches like a sloppy brawler???
That doesn't mean much. In Kyokushin, for example, yellow is higher than orange and blue. But yeah, he does move like a beginner, very unstable on his feet and twitchy.
For all the folks that says it doesn't look like he was doing aikido: yes, he wasn't using typical flashy aikido techniques, but his base stance (with the narrow footwork, without being "bladed") and evasiveness was 100% aikido, most of his footwork was, too. His hand positioning at the beginning of the match would be more typical of Yoshinkan-style aikido (feel free to look up old footage of Gozo Shioda), but isn't restricted to that style. Generally speaking, aikido likes to shift off the line of attack of the opponent, usually to the outside of the attack (away from the opponents other arm that could follow up with a subsequent attack), which is what the aikido guy was doing when he landed that final punch the kempo guy's chin. Also, I'd say most of the aikido guy's kicks were just to annoy the kempo guy into attacking recklessly, which also fits in with aikido's tactics.
Aikidoka, right? That seems really effective when looking at Aikido they just can not lay up the fight to apply their technique it seems. What other difference is there between this guy and the regular Aikido practitioner? (Are there different schools?)
He did use the classic aikido principles. Keeping distance and mainly using avoiding footwork to counter as soon as the opponent tries to close that distance which you could see quite well for most of the fight is pretty much one of the core elements of aikido. The footwork he used several times (you can see it very well at 1:27 entering, setting an action and then shifting out of the line of attack by drawing one of your feet to the side in a somewhat circular motion is also very typical for aikido. People tend to associate aikido with those big circular throws because thats what the post WW2 lineage that has become mainstream aikido and that trains Kata almost exclusively mostly does. older Aikido lineages do include striking. There is actually even a quote from the founder of Aikido that . “(…) in a real battle, atemi (striking the body) is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”
Kind of a weird fight. Though the punching of the Aikidoka was indeed Aikido style Atemi/Tsuki throw, the legkicks (I.e. low kicks) are never trained in Aikido. ...As matter of fact none of them really showed much of their arts...
I hate to take the opposite of my own position (seen in other comments) that aikido doesn't seriously train "atemi" in a way that would be conducive to striking matches like this, but some mainstream aikido schools (possibly all) do in fact regularly train kicks and kick defense. Whether or not their training promotes usable skills for fighting is another story, but learning basic kicks and basic kick defenses is not uncommon in aikido schools.
@@elenchus I agree, (2 forms of) maegeri (frontkick) is (are) part of the basic “Uke techniques”, but legkicks (lowkicks) not really. …But of course we can say that on higher level Aikido should be more an attitude as techniques, so any technique (or other movement) could be done on an “Aikido way”.
@@Memorixt in my own aikido training, granted this is a "pre-war" aikido school so it's supposedly more atemi-focused, I learned the front snap kick (mei geri), round house (mawashi geri), side kick (yoko geri), and reverse kick/back kick (ushiro geri). That's actually a reasonably complete syllabus of kicks, and we did practice them every single class, but the practice was like 20 kicks of each per side against the air. What I will say to aikido's credit here is that the technical aspects of these kicks were reinforced (and validated by my future karate training) and it did allow aikido students to at least simulate a decent karate-style kick for purposes of developing a defense. I don't think it would prepare you to be a striker though, not on its own.
@@SethAnanda I was thinking about that too, but in the end there are probably principles in aikido that aren't as visible as their joint locks So I'm debating whether to give them the benefit of the doubt, I personally don't have enough experience with aikido to be able to tell (I usually get to watch the last ten minutes of aikido in the dojo I've been visiting lately)
@@thegreendude2086 Nope. Entirely different. No postural principles, no foot work, nothing. It looks like sloppy hapkido used successfully against a guy who is just the worst.
I wrote in the comments several times, so sorry for repeating: his punches were clearly Aikido (like - l’m writing this, as similar form exists in other Aikido related martial arts as well, and other styles too, for example Wing Chun just to mention one).
@@thegreendude2086 I would not give the style of aikido the benefit of the doubt where this particular video is concerned. The guy pretty clearly has aikido training and there are some small hints at that, but the martial of aikido didn't do any of the heavy lifting in this fight. If you can't find even one of the core techniques that a style practices day in and day out like kote gaeshi, shiho nage, or irimi nage, then I would remain dubious.
@@Memorixt How can you tell that his punches are aikido? Or what sets it apart from regular striking? I know striking primarly in the wing chun style. I heard often the punches dont get practiced and I also havent seen any in my current dojo so far.
As is always the case, the best way to use Aikido in a fight is to just not use it. I see some people trying to suggest that maybe he was using Aikido footwork or atemi and that's just pathetic. He's on the balls of his feet like a kickboxer the whole fight, bouncing on his feet or going for sweeping leg kicks- none of this is 'aikido footwork'. If you're going to say simply putting one foot in front of the other is 'aikido footwork' then literally every martial art uses that same footwork. As to the idea that these are 'aikido atemi' there are no palm strikes- nothing but closed fist blows to the head repeatedly as in most boxing with blatant jabs and hooks. Aikido does not own the concept of punching people in the head and the practitioner makes no effort to dovetail any of these strikes into aikido throws locks or otherwise as would be typical of the style. He's just straight up kickboxing the guy. Looks like he probably knows some karate himself and made good use of it here.
Aikido does very own the principles of punching people in the head. (The /“Tegatana”/ interpretation to be suspected also here of the) Jodan Tsuki is indeed a basic attack (Uke) experience in Aikido. ...I agree considering most of the footwork though, with exception of the side sweeps; those are as well trained in Aikido.
He did use the classic aikido principles. Keeping distance and mainly using avoiding footwork to counter as soon as the opponent tries to close that distance which you could see quite well for most of the fight is pretty much one of the core elements of aikido. The footwork he used several times (you can see it very well at 1:27 entering, setting an action and then shifting out of the line of attack by drawing one of your feet to the side in a somewhat circular motion is also very typical for aikido. People tend to associate aikido with those big circular throws because thats what the post WW2 lineage that has become mainstream aikido and that trains Kata almost exclusively mostly does. older Aikido lineages do include striking. There is actually even a quote from the founder of Aikido that . “(…) in a real battle, atemi (striking the body) is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”
There was literally no Aikido or karate in this fight lol. They both looked like drunk uncles trying to fight at a family back yard party. Especially the karate guy.
The channel showed a one armed aokido fighter winning and now this. The ,"bullshido" self proclaimed experts still try to discredit it.Ypu see thee yielding pull down move in tai chi vs other arts mow too.
I wish it were otherwise, but there's just no way around it. The techniques that aikidoka spend the vast majority of their time training, core fundamentals like kote gaeshi, shiho nage, and irimi nage to name a few, simply are not present here. Not a single unique aikido technique was even attempted so far as I can tell. He may not be a fraud, he may indeed have years of aikido training, but it didn't win him this match.
I've seen it in multiple videos now. When it comes time to fight, everything about martial arts goes out the window, and it just looks like 2 random guys at the bar fighting. No martial arts techniques are involved at all.
Guys who don't pressure test (fight/compete) on a regular basis almost always devolve into low level kick boxing Thats why you should just learn kick boxing
@@driver3899A lot of top MMA fighters barely spar anymore. It's more about the drills. Techniques only come out in a real fight when you have them drilled into your muscle memory. Fights are too fast for recalling stuff you haven't mastered
@@michaelnguyen940 all I know is what I've watched on videos and read in the art of aikido. I thought most of the moves were circular. Using the other person's power and momentum to get them moving in a circular, off balance rotation then reversing that momentum to turn them for a flip, take them down, close line them etc.
By what I've heard, Aikido was originally intended for people who are already martial artists - and thus already knew how to fight and wished to improve. I'll guess this Aikidoka was one such practitioner, and already knew how to fight and spar.
I think this is because Ueshiba became a sort of teacher of teachers in his heyday, teaching lots of already established judoka and karateka (for example). But I always feel like saying that any given style is for people who are already good at fighting is a cop out. If that's the case, then have an entrance exam, or are you offering pointless training to people without the predicate skills to use it.
He did use the classic aikido principles. Keeping distance and mainly using avoiding footwork to counter as soon as the opponent tries to close that distance which you could see quite well for most of the fight is pretty much one of the core elements of aikido. The footwork he used several times (you can see it very well at 1:27 entering, setting an action and then shifting out of the line of attack by drawing one of your feet to the side in a somewhat circular motion is also very typical for aikido. People tend to associate aikido with those big circular throws because thats what the post WW2 lineage that has become mainstream aikido and that trains Kata almost exclusively mostly does. older Aikido lineages do include striking. There is actually even a quote from the founder of Aikido that . “(…) in a real battle, atemi (striking the body) is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”
bro this guy has knocked the other guy out with punches . this is NOT aikido . i highly doubt that this guy is one of the few aikidoka who uses the "old aikido" as you say and punches . lets be real here . this guy has not used aikido .
@@driver3899The throws are 90% harder to do though. Strikes are set up by the throws, throws are set up by the strikes. What aikidokas need is allowing strikes in their sparring (randori) so that they get used to being swung at. Aikido was created by a man that already had an extensive martial arts background so he didn't have this problem.
@@dentkort That is a fair point, I just see it as a problem that most aikido guys never manage to pull off a throw in full contact even after landing a strike. I have seen it done but its very rare Yes I agree, randori for sure should have strikes if the goal is to make the training functional. The instructor who taught me judo told me about a time some blackbelts did randori at the Kodakan dojo in Japan where he was training, some were from Japan and some from overseas. One of the Japanese guys threw a punch to set up his throw and decked the foreign blackbelt because he didnt expect it. After much apologising it was discovered that in the branch the foreigners train, they never use the judo strikes where as in this class at blackbelt level they used strikes in randori. I think there would be a big difference in who would perform better in fights
@@driver3899 Yeah, clearly. Most aikido schools don't allow real strikes in randori, and since most people only train one martial art, this ends up creating huge gaps in the practitioners. All the aikido guys that I know that can actually handle themselves in combat either already had a martial (striking) background or had already been in a lot of street fights. The inexperienced guys that had only ever done aikido and never been in a real fight just froze up and couldn't even move.
He did use the classic aikido principles. Keeping distance and mainly using avoiding footwork to counter as soon as the opponent tries to close that distance which you could see quite well for most of the fight is pretty much one of the core elements of aikido. The footwork he used several times (you can see it very well at 1:27 entering, setting an action and then shifting out of the line of attack by drawing one of your feet to the side in a somewhat circular motion is also very typical for aikido. People tend to associate aikido with those big circular throws because thats what the post WW2 lineage that has become mainstream aikido and that trains Kata almost exclusively mostly does. older Aikido lineages do include striking. There is actually even a quote from the founder of Aikido that . “(…) in a real battle, atemi (striking the body) is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”
He did use the classic aikido principles. Keeping distance and mainly using avoiding footwork to counter as soon as the opponent tries to close that distance which you could see quite well for most of the fight is pretty much one of the core elements of aikido. The footwork he used several times (you can see it very well at 1:27 entering, setting an action and then shifting out of the line of attack by drawing one of your feet to the side in a somewhat circular motion is also very typical for aikido. People tend to associate aikido with those big circular throws because thats what the post WW2 lineage that has become mainstream aikido and that trains Kata almost exclusively mostly does. older Aikido lineages do include striking. There is actually even a quote from the founder of Aikido that . “(…) in a real battle, atemi (striking the body) is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”
The UA-cam algorithm is showing me all these Aikido sparring videos after I made this one, so we will have more Aikido in the ring/cage/mats/sparring videos soon ;) Stay tuned! Also, make sure to follow the promotion (linked in the description and endcards).
@@FightCommentary these 2 guys might as well play kiss chase, both ate right hands from the off, anyone with 6-12 months of boxing/thai would have slept both of em
I assume the Aikidoka actually spars. He knew how to take a punch and keep his cool.
My toxic trait is seeing these competitions and feeling like i could dust them all back to back haha
Same here! They look so uncoordinated while sparing! 😆
Yes, mostly watching from the exterior we tend to have this (often only) illusion. ...And when you try yourself (the first time/s/)you look even more ridiculous... 😉
@@Memorixt I mean, I have competed and sparred quite a lot, but I suppose it's different getting filmed and put on the internet for everyone to criticise!
Aikido guy understands footwork.
I was about to say, that was the major factor
But he doesnt understand Aikido since he used none of those amazing techniques lol
He has obviously trained in kickboxing or similar. I saw no aikido.
I know people are gonna say that Kenpo guy sucked, but even if he is inexperienced, that means that Aikido guy beat a regular guy, which people say Aikido can't do
@@hypnoticskull6342 this guy has plastic chin and very bad balance but yeah you can say that maybe
True, but the Aikido guy used zero Aikido in this.
@@911shan Actually, he was using aikido footwork, grapples and stance. No aikido throws, only one aikido technique, but all the aikido principles were there. It was mixed with something else and the karate guy sucked, but as an aikido black belt I can tell you there's aikido there 100%
@@911shan
I mean, a lot of Aikido is striking. It's a variation of Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, which has a lot of striking
@@dentkort while I have a blackbelt to ask, the aikido guy kept stepping sideways while throwing a right punch, is that from aikido?
I've studied Aikido and Karate. Neither one of them understand the most basic of boxing skills. Every kick was thrown with both hands down, no face protection. Most all punches were thrown stiff-armed with no counter-punch protection. Neither one of these guys actually knows how to fight.
Its not just that both their faces were open, aikido guy used a footwork move he has obviously drilled a lot
step back then left lateral step and right punch
used the same footwork 3 times and got 2 knock downs 1:27, 1:43, 2:03
That should show how important footwork is yet, not many people bother to get good at it
aikido guy should have kept up his left hand up to guard though while stepping laterally, he might have easily stepped into a right hook or head kick if the karate guy knew what he was doing
Both of them took a straight right in the face in the first few seconds of engagement, a boxer would have landed a 3 punch combo, lights out for both of them.
Judging by the Aikidoka's stance I think he was a Yoshinkan Aikido practicioner.
Hatenkai by the looks of it.
@@AverageMojaveMailman don't they have Yoshinkan roots? I have seen their channel, but it is all Japanese so I can really only get the broad strokes and none of the details.
Regardless there was zero Aikido techniques used. It was just a brawl.
People who never spars or hardly spars should not be involved in inter school competitions sparring.
I don’t quite agree. They should, but they should be prepared that even in the best case they will loose the first some due to lack of (locally relevant and general) experience. If they school doesn’t offer them the possibility to spar and otherwise they are interested, this is a viable way to get experience.
Appreciate the mention! I'd love to go over there and do this. I'll keep you posted on when I get my passport.
I recommend this Italian video "La sfida karate e aikido Scicli", a video where a fight between two Italian masters, an aikidoka and a karateka, is shown, which takes place in Scicli, Sicily. It's up to you to watch and I hope you analyze it in another video!
I'll take a look. thanks for the title!
It's a demo, sadly
@@fabiospringolo6863
Staged.
Only thing aikido about that guy is his pants 😂
I agree that none of them showed much from their style, but his punches were Aikido (like).
@@alhkcblack9617 fighting is fighting, you don’t always “see” someone’s “style” while they are in the rush of combat. Their style comes from the way they PRACTICE. Go spar for yourself and film it.
Don’t knock the pants. Those pants are dope. Not everyone can pull that off. It takes a special kind of martial artist. An aikidoka, if you will.
He did use the classic aikido principles. Keeping distance and mainly using avoiding footwork to counter as soon as the opponent tries to close that distance which you could see quite well for most of the fight is pretty much one of the core elements of aikido. The footwork he used several times (you can see it very well at 1:27 entering, setting an action and then shifting out of the line of attack by drawing one of your feet to the side in a somewhat circular motion is also very typical for aikido. People tend to associate aikido with those big circular throws because thats what the post WW2 lineage that has become mainstream aikido and that trains Kata almost exclusively mostly does. older Aikido lineages do include striking. There is actually even a quote from the founder of Aikido that . “(…) in a real battle, atemi (striking the body) is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”
@@alhkcblack9617see what Léo Tamaki Say about this 😂. Atemi IS a Big part of aïkido
I've done a similar taikai in Aomori, Japan before covid. There was a mix of people from JKD, Kali, Systema, Bujinkan, Japanese weapons based system (I'm thinking Koryu art don't know which one), Karate and don't know the other systems represented. There were 2 groups fighting with 4-5 matches at the same time. One group was with soft weapons and group two was empty hands. After 2 minutes empty hands go to weapons side and weapon guys take their turn to empty hands. Empty hands portion wore gloves and shin pads. Weapons randori wore no protective gear but head shots were not permitted. If you can hit the shoulder you can hit the head mentality. Takedowns and throws were allowed (if a standing or ground grapple was initiated it is stopped after 5 seconds). The weapons fighting had same rule set. It was all soft weapons (pvc or bamboo core covered with foam and vinyl similiar to Yagyu shinai type). Weapons types were katana, wakizashi, knife, kama, spear, naginata, nagamaki, nodachi, roku shaku bo (6 ft staff) hanbo (3 foot staff), kusurigama (sickle and weighted chain), soft sticks escrima type & kodachi type. The soft sticks, kodachi & wakizashi were popular with the Kali and JKD participants. I was the only one that used the kusurigama & fought with a different weapons with different matches. Naturally katana beat knife 9 out 10 times. There was no point system involved (kill shots and cripple shots was enforced with weapons portion). Everyone just randoried. It wasn't a tournament but a bunch of guys getting together for the laboratory experiment. I think doing stuff like that every so often is good.
I'm not surprised by the result. Most Okinawan Karate doesn't have enough emphasis on full-contact sparring.
@@AverageMojaveMailman from the looks of it, he may just have been a yellow belt
@@elenchusFighting experience matters more than the colour of your belt. If you do very little to no full-contact fighting, you're going to lose against someone with experience.
@@AverageMojaveMailman Sure, and beginners like yellow belts are probably going to have less sparring/combat experience than long-time practitioners.
@@elenchus Same would apply if he were a black belt. Little to no full-contact fight training= losing fights.
@@AverageMojaveMailman sure, but even if he did come from a style with tons of full contact, like kyokushin, if he's a beginner, he'd still be a beginner. Jiujitsu guys "roll" all the time, but a one stripe white belt is going to have a lot less grappling experience than a purple belt.
Basically what I'm saying here is that beginners are beginners and we should temper expectations. This, assuming he's not wearing a yellow belt for some sort of competition reason I'm not aware of
I like the consideration of push outs if this is self defense focused, imagine getting attacked near heavy traffic or a ledge of some kind.
Yep!
Whatever genre in martial art, im respect when they fight on the mat
The karate is a yellow belt. No wonder the Aikido guy won.
Kenmpo guy hands not blocking & head not moving off the center line. Basic combat essentials
This was a great cobra kai episode can't wait to see further releases
AIKIDO PUNCH !!!
really interesting oi zuki from the "aikidoka" at the end, stepping out with nagashi footwork to get off the line. Great timing
Yes! Good to see you again! I didn’t see a comment from you for a while so I knew I wasn’t on UA-cam’s good side for some reason. Glad to have you back!
@@FightCommentary Yes, glad to be back. I think it's because I started watching some of Rokas' videos and then these aikido/aikijujutsu videos got recommended. Actually, I think it all started with his knee injury, which was a bit of a wake up call to me too. I think I'm going to get back to doing aikido for a while at least. I think we're all starting to get old enough where we're starting to get worried about injuries.
Yeah, I injured my wrist and my ankle. I realized more and more I just want to get good at Chess ;)
@@FightCommentary I went through a good long chess phase in my college days, a lot of fun and almost no injuries. It did ruin a relationship for me though, but I guess that's the risk you take with any competitive hobby.
I find myself weirdly looking forward to going back to my roots in pre-war aikido/aikijujutsu and non-Olympic judo. I'm now experienced enough to see the flaws in that training, very significant ones, although I think I'm just so obsessively intellectually curious about submission fighting that I just desperately want to go back to these old techniques and see what I can do with them.
So is nobody here gonna acknowledge that aikido is supposed to be a grappling art? There was not a single attempt to do anything related to grappling in any way whatsoever.
This looks like those gym bros who have watched a bunch of mma and copy what they see on screen shittily
Aikido are Self Defense and a complete martial arts there's striking skills too the art of War are be ready for everything.
People see Aikido demonstrations and think Aikido are only Grappling but that's wrong.
@DouglasBuenoGomes aikido was designed for use with a sword. Throwing hand strikes while holding a sword is completely asinine because you have a far better striking option right there. Kicks? Sure. But primarily, Aikido should be a grappling art because that is what's helpful in armed combat, not solid boxing.
There's a reason every culture developed war wrestling styles- Ringen, Shuai Jiao, Judo, etc- that is what you need on the battelfield.
Hey, he's like that skinny guy in Kengan Ashura.
Was there any Aikido in this or any of the other sparring matches?
The Aikidoka had great footwork
Nice my friend
In MMA, one example that uses Okinawa Kempo effectively is Katsunori Kikuno who knocked out a Thai fighter named Kuntap Charoenchai with Naihanchi Kata's Yama Tsuki (mountain punch). However, the practitioner of Okinawan Kempo in this video is absurdly incompetent. He doesn't even use distance control and timing effectively like Lyoto Machida or Patricio Pitbull. And why the hell he throws punches like a sloppy brawler???
Where's Jeff Speakman? 😅
He's Kenpo 5.0 ;)
Dude did well and guaranteed folks will talk goofy in bad faith
Why is the Kempo dude so weight forward like that?
Karate guy is wearing a yellow belt?
That doesn't mean much. In Kyokushin, for example, yellow is higher than orange and blue. But yeah, he does move like a beginner, very unstable on his feet and twitchy.
Yeah, was a bit odd that it was a yellow belt fighting a black belt full contact.
There were many opportunities to use aikido here but not much used.
For all the folks that says it doesn't look like he was doing aikido: yes, he wasn't using typical flashy aikido techniques, but his base stance (with the narrow footwork, without being "bladed") and evasiveness was 100% aikido, most of his footwork was, too. His hand positioning at the beginning of the match would be more typical of Yoshinkan-style aikido (feel free to look up old footage of Gozo Shioda), but isn't restricted to that style. Generally speaking, aikido likes to shift off the line of attack of the opponent, usually to the outside of the attack (away from the opponents other arm that could follow up with a subsequent attack), which is what the aikido guy was doing when he landed that final punch the kempo guy's chin. Also, I'd say most of the aikido guy's kicks were just to annoy the kempo guy into attacking recklessly, which also fits in with aikido's tactics.
Aikidoka, right? That seems really effective when looking at Aikido they just can not lay up the fight to apply their technique it seems.
What other difference is there between this guy and the regular Aikido practitioner? (Are there different schools?)
Oh yes, pretty many. Google it.
Interesting
I'd love to compete there, but Japan is "area locked" curently I can't travel that far away hahaha
Aikido guy didn't do Aikido. So what's the point of this video?
He did. His punches were Aikido (like).
He did use the classic aikido principles. Keeping distance and mainly using avoiding footwork to counter as soon as the opponent tries to close that distance which you could see quite well for most of the fight is pretty much one of the core elements of aikido. The footwork he used several times (you can see it very well at 1:27 entering, setting an action and then shifting out of the line of attack by drawing one of your feet to the side in a somewhat circular motion is also very typical for aikido. People tend to associate aikido with those big circular throws because thats what the post WW2 lineage that has become mainstream aikido and that trains Kata almost exclusively mostly does. older Aikido lineages do include striking. There is actually even a quote from the founder of Aikido that . “(…) in a real battle, atemi (striking the body) is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”
This guy a yellow belt in Kenpo? His stances are terrible, no balance.
Kind of a weird fight. Though the punching of the Aikidoka was indeed Aikido style Atemi/Tsuki throw, the legkicks (I.e. low kicks) are never trained in Aikido. ...As matter of fact none of them really showed much of their arts...
I hate to take the opposite of my own position (seen in other comments) that aikido doesn't seriously train "atemi" in a way that would be conducive to striking matches like this, but some mainstream aikido schools (possibly all) do in fact regularly train kicks and kick defense. Whether or not their training promotes usable skills for fighting is another story, but learning basic kicks and basic kick defenses is not uncommon in aikido schools.
@@elenchus I agree, (2 forms of) maegeri (frontkick) is (are) part of the basic “Uke techniques”, but legkicks (lowkicks) not really. …But of course we can say that on higher level Aikido should be more an attitude as techniques, so any technique (or other movement) could be done on an “Aikido way”.
@@Memorixt in my own aikido training, granted this is a "pre-war" aikido school so it's supposedly more atemi-focused, I learned the front snap kick (mei geri), round house (mawashi geri), side kick (yoko geri), and reverse kick/back kick (ushiro geri). That's actually a reasonably complete syllabus of kicks, and we did practice them every single class, but the practice was like 20 kicks of each per side against the air. What I will say to aikido's credit here is that the technical aspects of these kicks were reinforced (and validated by my future karate training) and it did allow aikido students to at least simulate a decent karate-style kick for purposes of developing a defense. I don't think it would prepare you to be a striker though, not on its own.
@@elenchus Good to know that this exists, never heard about it. 🙏 for sharing. It’s not impossible that Aikidoka here comes from such a cool school.🙂
Poor techinque from both of the guys.
This is so dumb. You cant say "aikido" won if not a single Aikido move is even used, no matter what the guy registered himself as representing.
@@SethAnanda I was thinking about that too, but in the end there are probably principles in aikido that aren't as visible as their joint locks
So I'm debating whether to give them the benefit of the doubt, I personally don't have enough experience with aikido to be able to tell
(I usually get to watch the last ten minutes of aikido in the dojo I've been visiting lately)
@@thegreendude2086 Nope. Entirely different. No postural principles, no foot work, nothing.
It looks like sloppy hapkido used successfully against a guy who is just the worst.
I wrote in the comments several times, so sorry for repeating: his punches were clearly Aikido (like - l’m writing this, as similar form exists in other Aikido related martial arts as well, and other styles too, for example Wing Chun just to mention one).
@@thegreendude2086 I would not give the style of aikido the benefit of the doubt where this particular video is concerned. The guy pretty clearly has aikido training and there are some small hints at that, but the martial of aikido didn't do any of the heavy lifting in this fight. If you can't find even one of the core techniques that a style practices day in and day out like kote gaeshi, shiho nage, or irimi nage, then I would remain dubious.
@@Memorixt How can you tell that his punches are aikido? Or what sets it apart from regular striking? I know striking primarly in the wing chun style. I heard often the punches dont get practiced and I also havent seen any in my current dojo so far.
As is always the case, the best way to use Aikido in a fight is to just not use it. I see some people trying to suggest that maybe he was using Aikido footwork or atemi and that's just pathetic. He's on the balls of his feet like a kickboxer the whole fight, bouncing on his feet or going for sweeping leg kicks- none of this is 'aikido footwork'. If you're going to say simply putting one foot in front of the other is 'aikido footwork' then literally every martial art uses that same footwork. As to the idea that these are 'aikido atemi' there are no palm strikes- nothing but closed fist blows to the head repeatedly as in most boxing with blatant jabs and hooks. Aikido does not own the concept of punching people in the head and the practitioner makes no effort to dovetail any of these strikes into aikido throws locks or otherwise as would be typical of the style. He's just straight up kickboxing the guy. Looks like he probably knows some karate himself and made good use of it here.
Perfectly said.
Aikido does very own the principles of punching people in the head. (The /“Tegatana”/ interpretation to be suspected also here of the) Jodan Tsuki is indeed a basic attack (Uke) experience in Aikido. ...I agree considering most of the footwork though, with exception of the side sweeps; those are as well trained in Aikido.
wow man, 6 months of boxing will destroy this guys
But that is not aikido!! They naturally switch to punching and kicking when they have to fight!
He did use the classic aikido principles. Keeping distance and mainly using avoiding footwork to counter as soon as the opponent tries to close that distance which you could see quite well for most of the fight is pretty much one of the core elements of aikido. The footwork he used several times (you can see it very well at 1:27 entering, setting an action and then shifting out of the line of attack by drawing one of your feet to the side in a somewhat circular motion is also very typical for aikido. People tend to associate aikido with those big circular throws because thats what the post WW2 lineage that has become mainstream aikido and that trains Kata almost exclusively mostly does. older Aikido lineages do include striking. There is actually even a quote from the founder of Aikido that . “(…) in a real battle, atemi (striking the body) is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”
Все правильно. Айкидо это "Вход". Почему "вход" не может быть ударом?
Beaten by Aikido guy is an eternal shame 😂😂
Worst Karate Fighter I've seen in my life bad Footwork, Slow, No power very bad defense that's why I only believe in Kyokushin or Machida Karate.
I'm not a Kempo guy. Kenpo or Machida Karate.
I've seen some pretty bad ones. Karate, as an umbrella, has just really poor quality control.
Cool but where are the throws?
There was literally no Aikido or karate in this fight lol. They both looked like drunk uncles trying to fight at a family back yard party. Especially the karate guy.
The channel showed a one armed aokido fighter winning and now this. The ,"bullshido" self proclaimed experts still try to discredit it.Ypu see thee yielding pull down move in tai chi vs other arts mow too.
I wish it were otherwise, but there's just no way around it. The techniques that aikidoka spend the vast majority of their time training, core fundamentals like kote gaeshi, shiho nage, and irimi nage to name a few, simply are not present here. Not a single unique aikido technique was even attempted so far as I can tell. He may not be a fraud, he may indeed have years of aikido training, but it didn't win him this match.
sensei seagal taught him 😂😂 (sarcasm pls don't kill me)
I've seen it in multiple videos now. When it comes time to fight, everything about martial arts goes out the window, and it just looks like 2 random guys at the bar fighting. No martial arts techniques are involved at all.
Guys who don't pressure test (fight/compete) on a regular basis almost always devolve into low level kick boxing
Thats why you should just learn kick boxing
@@driver3899A lot of top MMA fighters barely spar anymore. It's more about the drills. Techniques only come out in a real fight when you have them drilled into your muscle memory. Fights are too fast for recalling stuff you haven't mastered
@@dentkort those are kind of two different topics but yes I agree
Shhhh
Really? I saw the Aikido tai sabaki pretty clearly
I saw no akido
then you don't know Aikido. Every strike is featured in their curriculum
What about that yielding move that pulled his opponent down.
@@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe I missed it I guess
@@michaelnguyen940 all I know is what I've watched on videos and read in the art of aikido. I thought most of the moves were circular. Using the other person's power and momentum to get them moving in a circular, off balance rotation then reversing that momentum to turn them for a flip, take them down, close line them etc.
@@1964JEDAGI It's like saying Karate is only Striking. You gotta look at the whole picture
Aikido mixed with proper striking is not a bad mix really.
By what I've heard, Aikido was originally intended for people who are already martial artists - and thus already knew how to fight and wished to improve. I'll guess this Aikidoka was one such practitioner, and already knew how to fight and spar.
I think this is because Ueshiba became a sort of teacher of teachers in his heyday, teaching lots of already established judoka and karateka (for example). But I always feel like saying that any given style is for people who are already good at fighting is a cop out. If that's the case, then have an entrance exam, or are you offering pointless training to people without the predicate skills to use it.
Kempoka is a yellow belt and overweight, sure, a black belt Aikidoka that can punch and kick will beat him.
That fight sucked
One thing: oof.
That was more like a bad Kickboxing than Aikido
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he didnt even use aikido but boxing ....are you kidding . muh aikido
He did use the classic aikido principles. Keeping distance and mainly using avoiding footwork to counter as soon as the opponent tries to close that distance which you could see quite well for most of the fight is pretty much one of the core elements of aikido. The footwork he used several times (you can see it very well at 1:27 entering, setting an action and then shifting out of the line of attack by drawing one of your feet to the side in a somewhat circular motion is also very typical for aikido. People tend to associate aikido with those big circular throws because thats what the post WW2 lineage that has become mainstream aikido and that trains Kata almost exclusively mostly does. older Aikido lineages do include striking. There is actually even a quote from the founder of Aikido that . “(…) in a real battle, atemi (striking the body) is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”
bro this guy has knocked the other guy out with punches . this is NOT aikido . i highly doubt that this guy is one of the few aikidoka who uses the "old aikido" as you say and punches . lets be real here . this guy has not used aikido .
No veo ni un karateka ni tampoco un aikidoka veo dos boxeadores malos
Aikido guy is cheating with some basic boxing footwork.
That was pretty pure, classical aikido footwork
Imagine when Boxers learn that other martial arts have Footwork too it's not a exclusive Boxing skill.
We be out here sayin Aikido is 90% strikes. Mfs dont listen🤷♂
what do you spend 90% of your time in class doing though
strikes or throws?
@@driver3899 I don't do aikido, but what's your point?
@@driver3899The throws are 90% harder to do though. Strikes are set up by the throws, throws are set up by the strikes. What aikidokas need is allowing strikes in their sparring (randori) so that they get used to being swung at. Aikido was created by a man that already had an extensive martial arts background so he didn't have this problem.
@@dentkort That is a fair point, I just see it as a problem that most aikido guys never manage to pull off a throw in full contact even after landing a strike. I have seen it done but its very rare
Yes I agree, randori for sure should have strikes if the goal is to make the training functional.
The instructor who taught me judo told me about a time some blackbelts did randori at the Kodakan dojo in Japan where he was training, some were from Japan and some from overseas. One of the Japanese guys threw a punch to set up his throw and decked the foreign blackbelt because he didnt expect it.
After much apologising it was discovered that in the branch the foreigners train, they never use the judo strikes where as in this class at blackbelt level they used strikes in randori. I think there would be a big difference in who would perform better in fights
@@driver3899 Yeah, clearly. Most aikido schools don't allow real strikes in randori, and since most people only train one martial art, this ends up creating huge gaps in the practitioners. All the aikido guys that I know that can actually handle themselves in combat either already had a martial (striking) background or had already been in a lot of street fights. The inexperienced guys that had only ever done aikido and never been in a real fight just froze up and couldn't even move.
None of that is from Aikido..
He did use the classic aikido principles. Keeping distance and mainly using avoiding footwork to counter as soon as the opponent tries to close that distance which you could see quite well for most of the fight is pretty much one of the core elements of aikido. The footwork he used several times (you can see it very well at 1:27 entering, setting an action and then shifting out of the line of attack by drawing one of your feet to the side in a somewhat circular motion is also very typical for aikido. People tend to associate aikido with those big circular throws because thats what the post WW2 lineage that has become mainstream aikido and that trains Kata almost exclusively mostly does. older Aikido lineages do include striking. There is actually even a quote from the founder of Aikido that . “(…) in a real battle, atemi (striking the body) is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”
There is nothing aikido about this 🤦🏼♂️ stop lying
He did use the classic aikido principles. Keeping distance and mainly using avoiding footwork to counter as soon as the opponent tries to close that distance which you could see quite well for most of the fight is pretty much one of the core elements of aikido. The footwork he used several times (you can see it very well at 1:27 entering, setting an action and then shifting out of the line of attack by drawing one of your feet to the side in a somewhat circular motion is also very typical for aikido. People tend to associate aikido with those big circular throws because thats what the post WW2 lineage that has become mainstream aikido and that trains Kata almost exclusively mostly does. older Aikido lineages do include striking. There is actually even a quote from the founder of Aikido that . “(…) in a real battle, atemi (striking the body) is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”
Where was the aikido?
This was a... parody :/ This fight looks like fight of my children right after they watched "Power rangers" :/ This was a parody!