I've only had to replace a tire after it was punctured on the sidewall. Went to my house, replaced tire, I paid, they did rotation for free. Can't get better than that! Oh yeah, added wiper fluid!🤣
@@gmv0553 Why are you replying to my post. It was not directed towards you. Ben provides daylight on the myths and misinformation out there. I'm a fan.
@@DiscThrowr It is amazing how ignorant the common person is. All they do is spew MSM FUD. I have over 12K miles in 4 long distance round trips now without a single issue in 2 years that every couch quarterback tells me is a real issue, LOL. I laugh all the way to the bank.
@@DiscThrowr People don’t do fact really well. Here are the real facts. Nissan sales are down over 50% in the US, and they have $1.6 Billion in debt due in 2025 and $5.6 Billion due in 2026. Their debt is at junk bond status. My wife’s vehicle is a NIssan Rouge and we are going to have to sell early next year as I am sure you wont be able to get parts within 2 year. It is funny how suppliers stop making parts for manufactures when they don’t get paid. Steallantis is right behind Nissan. The carnage over the next 5 years in this space will be devastating for ICE legacy manufacturers.
@@cherokee180c0 I haven't saved the money I hoped since I bought before Tesla's price cuts and they fact their newer models qualified for the Fed Tax Credit. That said, I would never go back to an ICE vehicle. I've got 45K on my car and no trips for servicing other than tire rotation. I did put new tires on at 36K which was probably early however a week later I drove through New Haven Connecticut during a 10 inch rain event. I'm really glad I had new rubber.
I’m still on my first EV, 2018 Chevy Bolt bought brand new (treated myself to my first new vehicle ever for a big birthday) and also very unlikely to ever go back to gasoline powered cars.
Strange, I don’t know what type of garbage cars you’ve driven before, but I’m on my 6th new BMW diesel in the last 19 years and I’ve never spent anything on maintenance other than tyres and an oil change every 2 years or 20k miles whichever comes first. Nothing has gone wrong. Oh sorry a windscreen wiper relay needed replacing once.
@@hemipowersrt6773 Totally wrong. You want better long range batteries. One company that is spending millions of dollars to improve the EV battery and that company is BP petroleum.
I had a longer answer but I overheard my wife explaining it to her church lady buddies. She told them “500 km in our Volvo, a nice comfy car, is about $120. The same distance in the Tesla is $8 at home, $35 on the road and free at the hotel. You tell me how the future will go.”
In the four years I've owned my Tesla EV I have charged over 50% for free at a minimum. Last year my charging at home was roughly $30.00 and on a road trip for a solar eclipse about $100.00. $130.00 to travel just under 9,000 miles ain't so bad. Now I have solar on my roof with a metering plan that will return $hundreds at the end of the year with no electric bill. Add in a longer road trip and my out of pocket will be just under $150.00 for the year. Yes I had to pay for the solar but the net metering will return that to me in several years. With no home electric bill, no home gas bill and very minimal vehicle refueling I am and will be well ahead financially. No maintenance costs save $130.00 last month for a twelve volt battery (after 4 years) installed out the door at my house. Ya gotta be crazy to stick with gas. (This information is for the benefit of the un-initiated not daveturner whom I am replying to).
@@cre8tvedge all the money you're saving on gas, you'll lose when reselling your EV or when you need to replace a battery. Please don't spend the money you saved, you're gonna need it.
The fun part is the EV haters will be driving an EV in the not too distant future, they just don’t know it yet. Last to switch will lose out the most. Ignorance breeds losers.
There’s two groups of people out there. Internet, trolls, and people that are just severely misinformed. Unfortunately in the USA there are so many people misinformed about so many things. The fact that we have news media controlled by political party, doesn’t help either.
Just experienced my first hurricane without power owning an EV I’ve been through many hurricanes. I didn’t have to wait in line for gas when there was lines everywhere and you couldn’t even get gas for days yet. I had no problem charging my EV.
I have been through one too. The area had power but the gas stations were out of fuel. I changed mine before the hurricane so had no worries. Having solar panels and powerwalls made sure we had power when the area lost theirs. I will never go back to gas or own a house without solar and powerwalls.
@@Arthur-Silva Clearly, OP went to a charging station that *did* have power. I mean, if the entire area were blacked out, the gas pumps wouldn't be working either.
@@Arthur-Silva I think you don't know how to read. qtstirn likely charged before the power went out. Further you don't know how long the power was out.
Same here. My Model 3 has saved me over $8k just in fuel so far. My wife loves her Model Y because she doesn't have to worry about going to the gas station anymore.
@@RunQC Here's some more data for you. In the 25 months and 45k miles since I got my Tesla Model 3 I have saved over $8k in fuel over the gas car I was going to buy (Subaru WRX) That's $320+/mo or ~18¢/mi saved.
@@bunsw2070 Yep, safety concerns and extra time lost on her commute. She has less to deal with now. Not to mention the lack of regular maintenance that I had to do on her old gas cars.
High five from Malaysia. Our EV ecosystem started late and pretty much 99% of the new EV use type 2. All the charger that I ever went to worked well and I have no problem doing road trip once a while. PS: I will never go back to ICE.
I bought my 16th car, a used 2017 Chevy Bolt, 4 years ago. I'e always done my own work on cars. The Bolt is the best car I've ever owned, and has saved us a ton of $. The only maintenance I've done is replacing windshield wiper fluid, and replacing a broken sun visor. Costs me approximately $7 for a "fillup" at home to travel a nominal 259 miles. Everything is improving with EVs rapidly with each passing year. EV's are a certainty to replace ICEs in the next ten years ... only a fool will want to buy an ICE within about 2 years from now. The savings, convenience, reliability, and performance are simply incomparable.
UA-cam’s algorithm recommended me the very same video that Ben rips apart. Whenever I come across a YT channel with this AI voice, I block it. Thank you, Ben, for taking apart this piece of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Hey Ben. This can be in record books. My LR Model 3 crossed 300k miles and it is still on original brakes (Same brake pads). Can theses fudsters imagine how reliable dependable and economical Tesla Model3 is. And to top it off, it is still going strong. Lost about 20% of range but still enough for me to get by easily. Keep on debunking the fudsters. 👌
Had a model Y for 4 years now. Phone connecting to vehicle is the ONLY issue I have had. Flawless otherwise. The damn car has only gotten better... MUCH better over the years. Good luck ICE vehicle owners. I have come to an understanding that people that hate on EV's make my life easier by not overcrowding the mountain of gold that is EV ownership. You keep going to that overcrowded gas station trying to save that 5 cents per gallon, staying away from the chargers and driving the prices of EV's down.... thank you!
I call my Nissan Leaf a rolling bank because it saves me so much money over my previous petrol cars. And just so you know, my previous three cars were all Ford Fiestas which were frugal by petrol car standards. Over the six years of diminishing lease tariffs before I became the fully paid up owner I actually saved more money than it cost to buy the car. Compared to the cost of owning my previous ICE cars it was basically free. THAT is how much money EVs save and once people realise this they flock to EVs with evangelical haste. And by the way, if I was buying my EV as a business vehicle in the UK I would have saved thousands of pounds more on tax reliefs through Benefits In Kind which means I'd pay 2% tax instead of the ICE car tariff of up to 37%.
@@andrei335 This is the problem legacy auto faces as Tesla has the highest repeat customer rate in the entire business. Virtually Nobody goes back after buying electric.
I’m a life long serious gear head. I love working on them. I love my TESLA! It’s everything claimed of it and more. I’ll still keep working on and playing with my collection of vintage cars. But I’m using the Tesla because it helps me with all the money I need to work on these cars.
I think my wife's new model 3 LR rwd is smoothest driving car i've ever been in. They really softened the suspension and the noise inside is excellent. So quiet.
I have both EVs and gas cars. People often ask me what I will do when the battery dies and the warranty expires. I tell them I'll do the same as I would if my motor/trans dies: If it costs too much to fix, I'll buy a new car.
We are a two EV family as well and will never own another ICE vehicle. We drive back and forth between Denver and Phoenix and rely on the Tesla Supercharger Network. Plenty of available charging stations and always reliable.
The depreciation thing doesn't make sense. These cars last forever. Why has the market devalued these cars so much?. It makes me want to hold on to my EVs for even longer because the cars apparently worth more in my service than resold.
My ‘20 MS LR+ came with free Supercharging for life of ownership. Our daughter is a co-owner so once she inherits the car she will continue to have free SC, nice to be able to drive around for free. No reason to ever sell the thing for next 20-25 years and it is in pristine condition.
Hey Ben, EVs actually DO depreciate faster. I did a full video on this. The takeaway from this was that the difference in depreciation is more than offset by savings in other areas.
We love our Model S, charging at home with solar panels, supercharging in minutes on the road and smiling while cruising past all the gas stations. No maintenance costs after a year so far.
@@007_TheWatcher Convenient fact all the ICE lovers like to leave out. Let’s see them put an oil refinery in their back yard. Transportation costs can go to zero one initial solar payback is over.
My VW ID.4 is at a body shop due to storm damage and I'm having withdrawals from missing it. With VW's free charging at EA I've spent less than $25 in 6 months for "fuel" at non-EA locations and no $100 oil changes. I'll never go back to ICE. All savings aside I just love the car.
They never load up a gas truck and then compare the range it gets when its empty and what it is when its towing a 7000lb trailer. I think a lot of people would be shocked how much range is lost.
Re non Tesla charging network: I bought my non Tesla EV a year ago and charging at EA was terrible. Plenty of broken chargers and long lines for the ones that were actually working. However, over the last 3-4 months, I have had zero issues with EA chargers that are actually available. EA charging stations are still too few and far between, so availability is a problem, but I have free EA charging for two years and free solar energy at home and you can't argue with free.
Yeah EA has been really improving especially after Kyle from out of spec reviews absolutely ripped them a new one over on his channel for the state their chargers where in
It's because a lot of it (similar to 90% of the anti nuclear propaganda floating around) is literally oil company talking points through fake activists groups and fake social media bots
Also interesting that they quote "average repair costs" rather than "average maintenance costs", which are actually very different beasts. For instance, oil changes are maintenance, not repair. And total maintenance cost (which includes repair) is a far more important figure in car ownership expenses.
Minor tweak here - Supercharging, which I only do on roadtrips - is pretty close to filling up at a gas station. The reason why is that you don't get the stated range when doing highway miles. For example, on my Tesla Model Y LR - I get about 220 miles of Interstate driving (75mph) in normal conditions (70F, light/no wind) using my 72kWh battery. Most of the Superchargers in my area charge $0.37/kWh or $26.64 or $0.12/mile. If we assume the 28mpg SUV gas equiv gets about 25 mpg at 75mph - that works out to $3 per gallon (which is about what is costs in my area right now). So, it's about a wash. I also excluded charging losses since they are less than 1% for DC to DC charging. I live in Colorado - so 75mph is the speed limit for much of our Interstates not in the mountains. In reality, I typically drive slightly faster (5 to 9 over depending on traffic and conditions). Also, wind and cold also impact the efficiency too (also true for gas cars). However, 90% of my charging is done at home and I do fully charge before a long roadtrip - so I do get that initial 220 miles at the home charging rate. My Telsa app says that I have saved about $1500 vs a typical 28mpg gas SUV with my mix of driving and charging. I do about 15k miles per year.
@@BenSullinsOfficial and that is why most Asians prefer to focus on academics rather than sports simply because the payout is almost always guaranteed.
I will diverge here, I wish my parents had pushed me more, as I had the body to make it, talking 6'7" 300 O-line. And when I was at juco playing football my dad even told me I probably wasn't going to make D-I. Well, I did make it, but I just couldn't catch up with the other guys that were pounding weights since they were 13 while I was sitting home with my thumb up my rear. Oh well. But that said we are happy with our Mach-E.
5:15 The reality is that the depreciation is tied closer to the cost of a car versus fuel type. As an example , a $50K mercedes will probably depreciate Faster than a $25000 Corolla.
Also no other brand that I know of adjusts their vehicle prices like Tesla does. It seems when talking about Tesla depreciation, very few seem to account for the fact that Tesla will sell a car for $70,000 and then the next day or week sell that exact same car for $55,000 which immediately depreciates that $70,000 quicker than normal.
@@anthonyscott5134Your example is cherry picking. Tesla priced high during the production ramping phase and demand was higher than supply. They were at 900k per year production runrate compared to today at 2M. The scarcity at that time couple with lowest interest rate make that Tesla was able to priced $5k+ above the normal price. And Tesla relentlessly driving cost of production down, apply that cost saving to the consumers when appropriate... similar reason why used cars were above the asking price during covid as there were chips shortage for news cars. Used cars on high demand and low inventory. Tesla doesn't have dealership network, they see the market price in real time and able to make adjustments in real time. EV as a whole will get cheaper and cheaper which will depreciate even more. Unlike ICE car, it only goes up in price.
@@anthonyscott5134 You're lacking Context. I remember back in 2020 Tesla introduced the RWD Model Y for 45K. It IMMEDIATELY sold out to a waiting list of 6 months. They discontinued that one but still even the $55K LR version ended up with a ONE YEAR waiting list. A LOT of people started buying them then turning around and selling them for a $10K premium (Like Carvana). In response, Tesla started increasing the price every week by $2-3K to STOP people from buying while they caught up to the waiting list. Prices got all the way up to $75-80K before supply finally caught up with demand. They basically DOUBLED their production in 1 year! At this point they reset their prices to what they ORIGINALLY were. With that lesson learned, they started they Cybertruck at around $130K. Now that they've dropped the price to $100K, it's the best selling EV truck in the USA. Next they're coming out with an $80K version and sales will probably double.
I’ve owned two teslas and a Rivian and love EV. No problems or maintenance for the last 5 years. Doing a reboot of the screen has solved every problem I’ve had. And by the way, my Dodge 2500 gets 12 miles to the gallon when not towing and 7 mpg when towing, how is this different than towing with an EV?
Only issue is the time it takes to recharge the EV battery when you have to tow for any significant distance. Oh that and finding a charger friendly to tow setups. That will change over the next decade.
New to Tesla, bought a Model Y Performance in March of 2024, LOVE IT. 0-60 in 3.5 seconds will make you smile every time. Great ride, excellent handling, very quiet and comfortable for 4 adults. Great space for groceries and other items. Throw in all wheel drive and Full Self Driving (Extra Cost) and this is a fantastic car.
It's amazing how much people fear change, even as I.C.E. auto makers are facing massive financial losses for over price vehicles. I will never go back to an I.C.E. vehicle.
2 years for my wife's EV6 and no plans of replacing it, at least as long as the warranty is valid. And I'm planning on replacing my Clio RS200 with a EV3 or Renault R5 in a couple years.
Hey Ben, as you know, I have a 2021 KONA electric. A few months ago, Hyundai came up to me because they didn't have enough used EV stock, which offered me 105% back on my baby. I said no. I love my car.
I’ve owned two teslas and a Rivian and love EV. No problems or maintenance for the last 5 years. Doing a reboot of the screen has solved every problem I’ve had.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Nah, charging EVs won't do anything to a rural grid. There is no law that says EVs have to charge at high rates. You can charge an EV at space-heater wattages after all. So rural grids are really a non-issue (and always have been). And to be frank, there are very few situations where the service is so bad that you'd have to do that... there aren't very many homes that still sit on 50A utility service connections. And even for those that do, you'd just charge at 8A.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Rural USA here, the local (small-ass-town)grid we have here is perfectly capable of feeding the 150-250kw sub panels in in each house as well as the local factory. despite my home charger pulling 11kwh to charge my car while I sleep.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 You may have guessed by now most people think you are very ill informed. One thing they haven't mentioned that even in a small rural town, solar is a thing. In other words you can make your own fuel. Try building a gasoline distillery and see how far you get.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 You're funny. First electricity can be stored. It's called a battery. You can get it with your solar array and charge your EV from that. More importantly the US is all three phase and electricity comes to every home and business at 340 volts and usually 200 amps. Certainly one EV charging is not going to take the grid down when it draws circa 32 amps. You actually have disinformation. As to your long trip. Only farmers can have fuel tanks at home. It takes more than two jerry cans (heavy by the way) to fill a gas tank. But your EV can charged to full overnight so ready to go on the trip when you wake up plus no stop or trip to fuel up. Just get in and go.
Maintenance costs also include brake jobs, spark plugs, ignition, oil and filter changes, belt changes, and replacing 12 volt batteries… and the time taken to do all those things. Of all those, I’ve only had to recently replace my 12 volt battery on my 2018 Model 3 with 70,000 miles. That’s many hundreds of dollars and many, many hours saved over my previous cars!
@@sprockkets- I’ve yet to replace the 12v battery on my ‘20 model S, I was under the impression that the 12v for that was not a lithium battery. Hope it is, that will last for many years.
@@sprockkets if it’s a Lithium Ion Phosphate battery that can’t be damaged by being fully discharged, and has a life of say 50 years rather than the typical lead acid life of 5 years, I’m good with paying more.
In the uk it’s similar cost to petrol if using a public charger. So some work needed on cheaper street/lamppost and work based chargers for terraced housing dwellers where people do not have off road parking/charging. Tesla is cheapest in uk but not as cheap as you quote in USA especially for non-Tesla car owners, who are charged more.
Battery/electric devices always provide a superior user experience these days when compared to an over engineered/constantly breaking down/mechanical nightmare called an engine. I won’t go back.
On EV Car Resale Value. Long before EV's were a thing it was a common saying in Australia that "as soon as you drive it out of the showroom you lose 50%". My current problem is I am retired with no real income source and EV's are not dropping in price quick enough for me to get one :(
Hey Ben, Thank you for debunking the lies and mistruths told by the gas-guzzling industry about the benefits of owning an EV. I'm not yet the proud owner of an EV but I plan to lease the BMW iX. We have zillions of EVs of all types in the SF Bay area. You referred to the “FUD” factor ( fear, uncertainty and doubt) which the AI voiceover “itself” used to discourage newcomers to the world of EVs from purchasing one. Good job. I look forward to listening to more of your videos.
I have been going back and forth with EV haters. It is amazing how stupid they are about Ev and feed off of all the EV misinformation!! They just don't seem to understand EV's.
Cuz they dont. If it doesnt have an engine these are the excuses they make to call it bad "it takes too long to charge, it has no soul, the driving experience isnt fun, they easily catch on fire, it has no soul(i did that on purpose condsidering its their only argument) etc, etc." Such BS they spout to hate an ev.
@ganymede6535 They do take to long to charge and it's not the rate of fires it's the fact that it takes 1000x or more effort to put out a lithium fire.
I’m on my 4th EV (my first was a used plug in hybrid Chevy Volt) cannot begin to comprehend the substance and intent of the video you were reviewing. As a previous owner of ICE cars for over 40 years I would NEVER go back to burning gasoline and put up with all the repairs and problems I used to have. And now is a great time to consider a good used EV! Thanks for the video!
Owning an EV is a no brainer,expecially with battery prices expected to hit 50% less in cost,it just makes no sense to oen an ICE car unless its a biodiesel driven one coz then u can make ur own fuel but still a tonne of maintenance work required,as for gas,thats just a no no
Going back to ICE is unthinkable. The only way EVs wouldn't work is if they have no place to charge. If you can't charge at home, or at work, then I absolutely get it, but for most people this is not the case
Lies and damned lies! I’m sick to death of the garbage sprouted by mainstream media. We have ONE EV, (a model 3, now five years old), and one ICE SUV. My wife and I both now HATE driving the SUV. We will NEVER buy another ICE car. Two of our sons have Teslas- one has TWO Teslas. Neither of them will EVER buy another ICE car either. P.S. My five year old Model 3 has cost under $100 In maintenance over that five years.
@@msbgone my parents forced me to get my drivers license as soon as I could so the wouldn't have to drive me to robotics tournaments at 5am anymore so I understand that
With my Prius PHEV, I never use a public charger because it is cheaper to buy gas and use it as a hybrid, but trickle charge every night in garage. Apartment dwellers need workplace charging for EV to work for them instead of a hybrid.
Thanks Ben. It gets depressing seeing how EV adoption has been slowed by negative sensational mainstream media, anti EV politics paid for by big oil, etc. Our EV has been amazing. 4 years and not looking back.
Regarding charging to 100% I see two issues: 1. the majority of EV's are showing the time till 100% charged, so a lot of consumer think, that this is what they have to do. 2. rental cars has to be returned with at least 90% charged, so the client has to charge it over 90% if the charger is not exactly at the airport.
Having my Tesla during the hurricane in Florida was helpful. Didn’t have to wait in the horrendous gas lines, superchargers luckily had power. Although I do know it could be a hazard with the batteries and salt water thankfully it didn’t happen.
Yeah, salt water can conduct electricity. It’s only a hazard if it gets into your HV battery pack under your car. That pack should be tightly sealed otherwise the fluid in it would have leaked out, check the car park where your car has been parked. Generally, no cars ( EV or ICE) would do well in salt or non salt water, they all suffer serious damages, no exaggeration here. In ICE cars, engines don’t work with water in them etc.
@@jacobheinz8236 Yep water gets into the wiring and destroys it. So it doesn't matter if you have an EV or ICE vehicle the insurance will total the vehicle.
@@sprockkets On the other hand we do see EVs driving through water all the time. Tesla for one builds it's batteries sealed. That of course is not a guarantee.
The batteries are well sealed. Remember, there is a liquid coolant running through the battery pack to both heat and cool the batteries. If it was not well sealed, the coolant would leak out. It is wiring outside of the battery you have to be concerned with. But that's the same with any car.
I am a new owner of a 2024 Mercedes EQE350+, Pinnacle Trim and all of the technical accoutrements available for the vehicle. I had an issue with Firmware on my Wallbox charger and it was replaced with a refund. I have taken it on my first LD road trip (>250 miles) and made it to my destination with 100 miles of SOC to spare. Highway driving between 40-80 mph...I am 6'2" and had no problems with charging at DC fast chargers, SW works (MBUX latest version), and very happy with my vehicle. Be a witness and engage and not a sideline reviewer...
Been driving electric for 3 years (Kia Niro EV, Chevy Bolt EUV, and now Chevy Equinox EV) and I have no regrets. I have also not experienced any software issues in my cars. The only problem I have experienced is the issue with Kia/Hyundai EVs not charging the 12v battery. Also, when talking about battery replacement costs exceeding the value of the used EV this is also true of ICE cars. I had a 2004 Ford Explorer I bought used and shortly after I bought it the transmission went out and it cost $2k to replace it which I did. about 6 months later the engine bricked and I was quoted around $3800 - $4000 for a rebuilt engine which exceeded the value of the car at that time. Almost every issue they bring up about EVs hold true for ICE vehicles as well.
They'll regret it even more in an emergency. If there is any type of large scale emergency that knocks out the power grid, say goodbye to charging up to get to safety. Will make rescue even more troublesome when they have to clear all the dead ev's out of the roads to get to people in need. Maintenance is the least of your worries. That won't cost you your life, just maybe your savings.
I just sold my 2021 VW Golf GTI with all the factory options and a service care plan for $30k less than I bought it for brand new. In 2 years time that car will be only worth 50%. I just bought a 2 year old Tesla Model 3 Long Range with Enhanced Auto Pilot, Blue Paint and Sports wheels about $30k less than new. I'd say the price reduction on electric vehicles to gas is about the same. I'm from Australia so maybe the stats might be a bit different but still call BS on the AI bot.
Wow! There are some really desperate EV haters out there! So Ben, here's MY EV rant. Maybe you can put your impeccable research skills to the task of fact checking me. Gas up time versus fast charge time is a completely false comparison of the relative operating costs. It rarely takes less than 10 minutes to gas up, but you have to do it at least once a week. That's more than 500 minutes a year assuming there's never a line at the pumps, which is a very generous assumption. Most people with EVs have home chargers they use once or twice a week. It takes less time to plug and unplug an EV than it does to warm up a gas car in cold weather - maybe 10 or 15 seconds (30 minutes a year). Few car owners take more than a half dozen trips greater than 200 miles a year (well within the 80 percent range of nearly every EV). If they have to charge from 10 to 80 percent twice per trip at the high time of 40 minutes, that's 480 minutes - and that's a very high estimate. As a side note: The EPA would be doing everyone a big favor if, instead of city, highway mileage estimates, it gave 100-10 percent, and 80-10 percent range estimates for EVs. That's much more useful information for a prospective EV buyer. Now, add on the time (and money) spent on oil changes, coolant flushes, air filters, fuel filters belts, hoses and all the other "routine maintenance" required only for internal commission engines and transmissions. Finally, lest we forget, the average EV owner spends between $3000 and $4000 less per year for charging versus buying gas. How much of your time is that worth? Add it all up and tell me, which type of vehicle requires more of your time and treasure to keep rolling? Honestly, it's not even close. Are there obstacles? Yes! We need better charging solutions for apartment dwellers and urban areas. We need to keep extending the range, reducing the charge time, expanding the infrastructure, developing less expensive, more environmentally friendly batteries and motors. And the manufacturers have to keep closing the price gap. But, even if no further advances were possible, the EVs, batteries and charging we have right now are more efficient and environmentally friendly than ICEVs. The ONLY people who honestly think EVs require more time or money to own and operate are people who have never owned an EV. You can deny it all you want, but the truth is inescapable. The future of personal transportation is electric.
I’ve found that non-Tesla electric vehicles can be quite challenging to use on long trips. Finding reliable charging stations can be a real hassle, and even when you do find one, it can be a hassle to use the company’s charging equipment.
Depends on your local utility rates. In Calif they are quite high thanks to the forest fires and legal requirements on utilities to pay many millions due to causing fires by downed power lines.
The main issues are updates for problems that aren't there until the updates. I wish they would give us a choice on whether we really want the updates or not.
On battery degradation, I have 2017 BMW i3, 160,000 miles, and it gets me around just fine! Last I checked, I still have 85% of the original capacity left, and it’s plenty for what I need it for.
Love my EV. Used to love my fully loaded Jeep Grand Cherokee and I still own it. I just cringe when I have to drive it though. The exhaust is choking when I get out in the garage and I never noticed it before I had a Tesla. Never buying anything but an EV (Tesla) again.
Interesting isn’t it ! I noticed it ( the exhaust smells) way more now after owning an EV. It’s like cigarettes smokes, I don’t smoke and I can detect the terrible smells from a distance.
2:02 - That still doesn't mean EVs can't be hacked. Fortunately, there are several groups that look for flaws in the security system. That someone can open the door for you while you're driving, etc. is scary!
Yes its not limited to evs but the advantage here is that evs rely more on tech, which means security updates are a must (like tesla and rivian do), compared to ice
That sounds awesome, but not believable. I'm here in the mid-Atlantic and paying 9 cents a kWh, but paying 9 cents for delivery of that electric by the local utility. Are you factoring all costs? Either way, you are doing your wallet and the environment a favor.
6:55 A recent Frontline investigation revealed how the oil and gas industry used the promise of recycling to sell more plastic. Down the road will they do a similar story investigating how EV manufacturers used the promise of battery recycling to sell more EVs? What percentage of used EV batteries are currently being recycled?
I don’t believe anything put out by the mainstream media. That includes PBS. When it comes to recycling batteries, it’s not about the environment. The best motivator for stuff is greed. Recycling batteries means they get to use the material again that’s worth a lot. They’re not doing it out of some joy or environmental crap. They’re doing it out of greed, but it does help the environment.
A lot of the depreciation data is cherry picked taking post pandemic highs as compared to recent lows. They don’t talk about falling new EV prices which are a good thing for new adoption but have driven depreciation of used EVs, not quality issues.
@@tbl268 You say that as if it is not possible to replace a battery. Previous owner of my 2011 Leaf replaced the battery in 2021. I am hoping solid state batteries will be a mature technology by 2031: so that I can get a capacity upgrade, while staying in the same weight envelope. Capacity upgrade is already possible: but involves replacing the springs due to the added weigh, and probably eats into the GVWR.
@@tbl268 That's not true. Did you miss where Ben pointed out the batteries have 100,000 or more miles under warranty. A new study shows batteries degrade at 1.5-1.8% a year. They are shown to and expected to last for over 200,000 miles.
Since the AI used extreme single case scenario to parlay it's viewpoint, I love to counter with my experience talking to a 2016 Model X owner at a supercharging station about charging costs. He bought his when Tesla promoted supercharging for life and his cost to charge after 60,000 miles, $0. ZERO dollars!!!!
I spent $85.00 in one year (October to October) to charge my Mini Cooper SE (full electric) - granted, I did not put on a lot of miles (3,500), but at 2.43¢ per mile, I can't see any ICE car coming even close! Also note that I live in Minnesota and it kind of gets cold in Winter. The most I spent was in January ($13.00)
I must be a freak because we bought an ev in March 2023. It's easily and by a very very very long way the best car we have ever owned in our opinion. How weird we must be ... 🤔 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
When it got to the part of comparing the worst cast EV to the best case ICE cost scenario, I couldn't help but think of your debunking of Anton Wahlman's "article" on Seeking Alpha "PROVING" that a Civic was cheaper to operate than a Tesla.
It's not like ICE vehicles aren't software dependent, too. As far as pricing goes, my 2024 Kona Electric Limited cost less than my last 2 new cars. I checked last week and one of the car buying sites offered me more than I paid for my Kona.
Despite my many years of owning ice vehicles doing my own repairs doing my own maintenance and really enjoying it even in the case of modifying a GTI, once I purchased my v and took that chance I have to say I can't get into another ice car without feeling like it's a step back. This past weekend I had to do an oil change on my wife's ice vehicle as she refuses to go Eevee and was reminded about how nasty the process is.
Maybe you should’ve bought a Tesla? It’s about $.36 kilowatt hour here in Texas USA. I hear non Tesla chargers more than double here. Combine that with poor reliability it would make road trips painful
Maintenance cost is killing me for my EV. I’ve already spent $7 on washer fluid for 10k miles.
@@calvinwalker4654 🤣
Only 6 thumbs up. People don't get sarcasm 😂
Actually the biggest problem Ive had with my EVs is since I never go to gas stations, I had to get my own squeegee.
I've only had to replace a tire after it was punctured on the sidewall. Went to my house, replaced tire, I paid, they did rotation for free. Can't get better than that! Oh yeah, added wiper fluid!🤣
My ev helped me to quit smoking. I don't need to stop at the gas station anymore 😅😅😅
I love it when you combat the misinformation and outright lies of the fossil fuel industry and the auto dealerships. Please keep it up!
@@DiscThrowr my name isn't Donald Trump and you have been misled about oil companies and dealerships!
@@gmv0553 Why are you replying to my post. It was not directed towards you. Ben provides daylight on the myths and misinformation out there. I'm a fan.
@@DiscThrowr It is amazing how ignorant the common person is. All they do is spew MSM FUD. I have over 12K miles in 4 long distance round trips now without a single issue in 2 years that every couch quarterback tells me is a real issue, LOL. I laugh all the way to the bank.
@@DiscThrowr People don’t do fact really well. Here are the real facts. Nissan sales are down over 50% in the US, and they have $1.6 Billion in debt due in 2025 and $5.6 Billion due in 2026. Their debt is at junk bond status. My wife’s vehicle is a NIssan Rouge and we are going to have to sell early next year as I am sure you wont be able to get parts within 2 year. It is funny how suppliers stop making parts for manufactures when they don’t get paid. Steallantis is right behind Nissan. The carnage over the next 5 years in this space will be devastating for ICE legacy manufacturers.
@@cherokee180c0 I haven't saved the money I hoped since I bought before Tesla's price cuts and they fact their newer models qualified for the Fed Tax Credit. That said, I would never go back to an ICE vehicle. I've got 45K on my car and no trips for servicing other than tire rotation. I did put new tires on at 36K which was probably early however a week later I drove through New Haven Connecticut during a 10 inch rain event. I'm really glad I had new rubber.
I'm on my third EV and not quitting.
That's way to go buddy!
Sounds like you are high carbon footprint
I’m still on my first EV, 2018 Chevy Bolt bought brand new (treated myself to my first new vehicle ever for a big birthday) and also very unlikely to ever go back to gasoline powered cars.
@@sjsomething4936Did you get the cells replaced with the recall with the range boost?
Which three? When did you get the first?
As a three EV owner, I’ll never go back to slow, high maintenance ice cars. Lots of PROPAGANDA from big oil and foolish ignorant people.
You said it. Oil companies are hurting and want to shut down EVs.
@@hemipowersrt6773 Not so. If you do do some research you will find the oil companies are pouring billions into the EV market.
@@Mr.Professor-f4v They are spending far more on disinformation, and oil exploration.
Strange, I don’t know what type of garbage cars you’ve driven before, but I’m on my 6th new BMW diesel in the last 19 years and I’ve never spent anything on maintenance other than tyres and an oil change every 2 years or 20k miles whichever comes first. Nothing has gone wrong. Oh sorry a windscreen wiper relay needed replacing once.
@@hemipowersrt6773 Totally wrong. You want better long range batteries.
One company that is spending millions of dollars to improve the EV battery and that company is BP petroleum.
I had a longer answer but I overheard my wife explaining it to her church lady buddies. She told them “500 km in our Volvo, a nice comfy car, is about $120. The same distance in the Tesla is $8 at home, $35 on the road and free at the hotel. You tell me how the future will go.”
In the four years I've owned my Tesla EV I have charged over 50% for free at a minimum. Last year my charging at home was roughly $30.00 and on a road trip for a solar eclipse about $100.00. $130.00 to travel just under 9,000 miles ain't so bad. Now I have solar on my roof with a metering plan that will return $hundreds at the end of the year with no electric bill. Add in a longer road trip and my out of pocket will be just under $150.00 for the year. Yes I had to pay for the solar but the net metering will return that to me in several years. With no home electric bill, no home gas bill and very minimal vehicle refueling I am and will be well ahead financially. No maintenance costs save $130.00 last month for a twelve volt battery (after 4 years) installed out the door at my house. Ya gotta be crazy to stick with gas. (This information is for the benefit of the un-initiated not daveturner whom I am replying to).
Great answer
@@cre8tvedge all the money you're saving on gas, you'll lose when reselling your EV or when you need to replace a battery. Please don't spend the money you saved, you're gonna need it.
@@Arthur-Silva Keep believing whatever dumb sh*t that gets you through the night fool.
You don’t know that.
Congratulations for countering the misinformation circulated by certain EV haters.
The fun part is the EV haters will be driving an EV in the not too distant future, they just don’t know it yet. Last to switch will lose out the most. Ignorance breeds losers.
There’s two groups of people out there. Internet, trolls, and people that are just severely misinformed. Unfortunately in the USA there are so many people misinformed about so many things. The fact that we have news media controlled by political party, doesn’t help either.
Zero downtime, zero maintenance costs after 2.5 years. Fraction of fuel costs. Never anything with dino juice again.
Those tesla powerstations are powered on "dino juice." 🤦🏻♂️
Just experienced my first hurricane without power owning an EV I’ve been through many hurricanes. I didn’t have to wait in line for gas when there was lines everywhere and you couldn’t even get gas for days yet. I had no problem charging my EV.
You just said “without power”, 😂 you don’t know how to lie.
I have been through one too. The area had power but the gas stations were out of fuel. I changed mine before the hurricane so had no worries. Having solar panels and powerwalls made sure we had power when the area lost theirs. I will never go back to gas or own a house without solar and powerwalls.
@@Arthur-Silva Clearly, OP went to a charging station that *did* have power. I mean, if the entire area were blacked out, the gas pumps wouldn't be working either.
@robertpatterson5937 Florida requires all gas stations to have power backup because it's Florida and hurricanes are a yearly thing.
@@Arthur-Silva I think you don't know how to read. qtstirn likely charged before the power went out. Further you don't know how long the power was out.
2 EV family and definetly will never ever go back to ICE
Spell check is easy
Same here. My Model 3 has saved me over $8k just in fuel so far. My wife loves her Model Y because she doesn't have to worry about going to the gas station anymore.
@@RunQC
Here's some more data for you. In the 25 months and 45k miles since I got my Tesla Model 3 I have saved over $8k in fuel over the gas car I was going to buy (Subaru WRX)
That's $320+/mo or ~18¢/mi saved.
@@That-Guy_ Yeah. I worry about going to the gas station a lot too.
@@bunsw2070
Yep, safety concerns and extra time lost on her commute. She has less to deal with now. Not to mention the lack of regular maintenance that I had to do on her old gas cars.
I have only found ONE problem with going EV, because the fuel costs are so low I drive much more.
High five from Malaysia. Our EV ecosystem started late and pretty much 99% of the new EV use type 2. All the charger that I ever went to worked well and I have no problem doing road trip once a while.
PS: I will never go back to ICE.
I bought my 16th car, a used 2017 Chevy Bolt, 4 years ago. I'e always done my own work on cars. The Bolt is the best car I've ever owned, and has saved us a ton of $. The only maintenance I've done is replacing windshield wiper fluid, and replacing a broken sun visor. Costs me approximately $7 for a "fillup" at home to travel a nominal 259 miles. Everything is improving with EVs rapidly with each passing year. EV's are a certainty to replace ICEs in the next ten years ... only a fool will want to buy an ICE within about 2 years from now. The savings, convenience, reliability, and performance are simply incomparable.
UA-cam’s algorithm recommended me the very same video that Ben rips apart. Whenever I come across a YT channel with this AI voice, I block it. Thank you, Ben, for taking apart this piece of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Hey Ben.
This can be in record books. My LR Model 3 crossed 300k miles and it is still on original brakes (Same brake pads). Can theses fudsters imagine how reliable dependable and economical Tesla Model3 is.
And to top it off, it is still going strong. Lost about 20% of range but still enough for me to get by easily.
Keep on debunking the fudsters. 👌
Had a model Y for 4 years now. Phone connecting to vehicle is the ONLY issue I have had. Flawless otherwise. The damn car has only gotten better... MUCH better over the years. Good luck ICE vehicle owners. I have come to an understanding that people that hate on EV's make my life easier by not overcrowding the mountain of gold that is EV ownership. You keep going to that overcrowded gas station trying to save that 5 cents per gallon, staying away from the chargers and driving the prices of EV's down.... thank you!
Bought my first brand new car, Tesla M3P, never going back to ice.
@@nathansuss I'm loving mine!
CD mix tape?
@@nathansuss Awesome Car, congratulation! 👍
Enjoy it , man!
Congrats!
I sure don't regret my EV. Is the best deal of my life: no hussle, no gas, quiet. So, i don't know about others but i'll NEVER go back to ICE
I call my Nissan Leaf a rolling bank because it saves me so much money over my previous petrol cars. And just so you know, my previous three cars were all Ford Fiestas which were frugal by petrol car standards. Over the six years of diminishing lease tariffs before I became the fully paid up owner I actually saved more money than it cost to buy the car. Compared to the cost of owning my previous ICE cars it was basically free. THAT is how much money EVs save and once people realise this they flock to EVs with evangelical haste. And by the way, if I was buying my EV as a business vehicle in the UK I would have saved thousands of pounds more on tax reliefs through Benefits In Kind which means I'd pay 2% tax instead of the ICE car tariff of up to 37%.
An EV is just a better deal. Not going back.
@@andrei335 This is the problem legacy auto faces as Tesla has the highest repeat customer rate in the entire business. Virtually Nobody goes back after buying electric.
I’m a life long serious gear head. I love working on them.
I love my TESLA! It’s everything claimed of it and more.
I’ll still keep working on and playing with my collection of vintage cars. But I’m using the Tesla because it helps me with all the money I need to work on these cars.
I think my wife's new model 3 LR rwd is smoothest driving car i've ever been in. They really softened the suspension and the noise inside is excellent. So quiet.
Keep up the good work, fighting the fight!
You're amazing, thank you!
I have both EVs and gas cars. People often ask me what I will do when the battery dies and the warranty expires. I tell them I'll do the same as I would if my motor/trans dies: If it costs too much to fix, I'll buy a new car.
We are a two EV family as well and will never own another ICE vehicle. We drive back and forth between Denver and Phoenix and rely on the Tesla Supercharger Network. Plenty of available charging stations and always reliable.
The depreciation thing doesn't make sense. These cars last forever. Why has the market devalued these cars so much?. It makes me want to hold on to my EVs for even longer because the cars apparently worth more in my service than resold.
My ‘20 MS LR+ came with free Supercharging for life of ownership. Our daughter is a co-owner so once she inherits the car she will continue to have free SC, nice to be able to drive around for free. No reason to ever sell the thing for next 20-25 years and it is in pristine condition.
Hey Ben, EVs actually DO depreciate faster. I did a full video on this. The takeaway from this was that the difference in depreciation is more than offset by savings in other areas.
I love my EV. I have not had any problems in 13k kms or 18 months. My friend who I took for a drive in my EV has since bought one of his own.
We love our Model S, charging at home with solar panels, supercharging in minutes on the road and smiling while cruising past all the gas stations. No maintenance costs after a year so far.
I agree, my ‘20 MS has had zero maintenance cost since I got it in Feb ‘20 other than a set of tires recently. Still on the original 12v battery too.
@@Chainyanker007 My 12v battery failed recently, but Tesla came to my house and replaced it for FREE.
@@Chainyanker007 I replaced the 12v on my 2020 model S a few months ago purely as a precaution: cost peanuts and they included the air filter too.
@@007_TheWatcher Convenient fact all the ICE lovers like to leave out. Let’s see them put an oil refinery in their back yard. Transportation costs can go to zero one initial solar payback is over.
We've leased EVs for over 4 years and never had any issues and wouldn't willingly go back to ICE
That’s great where can I go to get my Free Solar on my house? I thought Solar was like 30 to 40K !
My VW ID.4 is at a body shop due to storm damage and I'm having withdrawals from missing it. With VW's free charging at EA I've spent less than $25 in 6 months for "fuel" at non-EA locations and no $100 oil changes. I'll never go back to ICE. All savings aside I just love the car.
Electronic difficulties happen on gas cars also.
I’ve had to replace my computer twice on my van before I got rid of it.
They never load up a gas truck and then compare the range it gets when its empty and what it is when its towing a 7000lb trailer. I think a lot of people would be shocked how much range is lost.
Re non Tesla charging network: I bought my non Tesla EV a year ago and charging at EA was terrible. Plenty of broken chargers and long lines for the ones that were actually working. However, over the last 3-4 months, I have had zero issues with EA chargers that are actually available. EA charging stations are still too few and far between, so availability is a problem, but I have free EA charging for two years and free solar energy at home and you can't argue with free.
Yeah EA has been really improving especially after Kyle from out of spec reviews absolutely ripped them a new one over on his channel for the state their chargers where in
This feels like oil company propaganda with all the misleading information..thanks Ben!!!! Great work. .... we have 2 EV's and love them both...
It's because a lot of it (similar to 90% of the anti nuclear propaganda floating around) is literally oil company talking points through fake activists groups and fake social media bots
"AI contradicts itself..." Is the correct way to say it in my opinion
I got my first ev and it was the best thing ever i did. Not interested to get back to combustion cars.
Also interesting that they quote "average repair costs" rather than "average maintenance costs", which are actually very different beasts. For instance, oil changes are maintenance, not repair. And total maintenance cost (which includes repair) is a far more important figure in car ownership expenses.
A gift that keeps on giving.
Minor tweak here - Supercharging, which I only do on roadtrips - is pretty close to filling up at a gas station. The reason why is that you don't get the stated range when doing highway miles. For example, on my Tesla Model Y LR - I get about 220 miles of Interstate driving (75mph) in normal conditions (70F, light/no wind) using my 72kWh battery. Most of the Superchargers in my area charge $0.37/kWh or $26.64 or $0.12/mile. If we assume the 28mpg SUV gas equiv gets about 25 mpg at 75mph - that works out to $3 per gallon (which is about what is costs in my area right now). So, it's about a wash. I also excluded charging losses since they are less than 1% for DC to DC charging.
I live in Colorado - so 75mph is the speed limit for much of our Interstates not in the mountains. In reality, I typically drive slightly faster (5 to 9 over depending on traffic and conditions). Also, wind and cold also impact the efficiency too (also true for gas cars). However, 90% of my charging is done at home and I do fully charge before a long roadtrip - so I do get that initial 220 miles at the home charging rate.
My Telsa app says that I have saved about $1500 vs a typical 28mpg gas SUV with my mix of driving and charging. I do about 15k miles per year.
I’ve put 30000 miles on my 2023 lightning with zero issues and zero maintenance. No question the best decision I ever made.
I just love your jabs at parents who place supreme importance on their kids to excel at sports that will 99.99% never translate into the big league.
That’s from personal experience as a father of 2 boys 😅
@@BenSullinsOfficial and that is why most Asians prefer to focus on academics rather than sports simply because the payout is almost always guaranteed.
Plus you don't have to drive them all around everywhere
@@BenSullinsOfficial You're gonna be in trouble if you let them kids learn to read.
I will diverge here, I wish my parents had pushed me more, as I had the body to make it, talking 6'7" 300 O-line. And when I was at juco playing football my dad even told me I probably wasn't going to make D-I. Well, I did make it, but I just couldn't catch up with the other guys that were pounding weights since they were 13 while I was sitting home with my thumb up my rear. Oh well. But that said we are happy with our Mach-E.
5:15 The reality is that the depreciation is tied closer to the cost of a car versus fuel type. As an example , a $50K mercedes will probably depreciate Faster than a $25000 Corolla.
Also no other brand that I know of adjusts their vehicle prices like Tesla does. It seems when talking about Tesla depreciation, very few seem to account for the fact that Tesla will sell a car for $70,000 and then the next day or week sell that exact same car for $55,000 which immediately depreciates that $70,000 quicker than normal.
@@anthonyscott5134Your example is cherry picking. Tesla priced high during the production ramping phase and demand was higher than supply. They were at 900k per year production runrate compared to today at 2M. The scarcity at that time couple with lowest interest rate make that Tesla was able to priced $5k+ above the normal price. And Tesla relentlessly driving cost of production down, apply that cost saving to the consumers when appropriate... similar reason why used cars were above the asking price during covid as there were chips shortage for news cars. Used cars on high demand and low inventory. Tesla doesn't have dealership network, they see the market price in real time and able to make adjustments in real time. EV as a whole will get cheaper and cheaper which will depreciate even more. Unlike ICE car, it only goes up in price.
@@anthonyscott5134 You're lacking Context. I remember back in 2020 Tesla introduced the RWD Model Y for 45K. It IMMEDIATELY sold out to a waiting list of 6 months. They discontinued that one but still even the $55K LR version ended up with a ONE YEAR waiting list. A LOT of people started buying them then turning around and selling them for a $10K premium (Like Carvana). In response, Tesla started increasing the price every week by $2-3K to STOP people from buying while they caught up to the waiting list. Prices got all the way up to $75-80K before supply finally caught up with demand. They basically DOUBLED their production in 1 year! At this point they reset their prices to what they ORIGINALLY were. With that lesson learned, they started they Cybertruck at around $130K. Now that they've dropped the price to $100K, it's the best selling EV truck in the USA. Next they're coming out with an $80K version and sales will probably double.
I’ve owned two teslas and a Rivian and love EV. No problems or maintenance for the last 5 years. Doing a reboot of the screen has solved every problem I’ve had. And by the way, my Dodge 2500 gets 12 miles to the gallon when not towing and 7 mpg when towing, how is this different than towing with an EV?
Only issue is the time it takes to recharge the EV battery when you have to tow for any significant distance. Oh that and finding a charger friendly to tow setups. That will change over the next decade.
New to Tesla, bought a Model Y Performance in March of 2024, LOVE IT. 0-60 in 3.5 seconds will make you smile every time. Great ride, excellent handling, very quiet and comfortable for 4 adults. Great space for groceries and other items. Throw in all wheel drive and Full Self Driving (Extra Cost) and this is a fantastic car.
It's amazing how much people fear change, even as I.C.E. auto makers are facing massive financial losses for over price vehicles.
I will never go back to an I.C.E. vehicle.
I have owned my EV6 for almost 3 years now and will never go back to ice.
2 years for my wife's EV6 and no plans of replacing it, at least as long as the warranty is valid. And I'm planning on replacing my Clio RS200 with a EV3 or Renault R5 in a couple years.
Hey Ben, as you know, I have a 2021 KONA electric. A few months ago, Hyundai came up to me because they didn't have enough used EV stock, which offered me 105% back on my baby. I said no. I love my car.
I’ve owned two teslas and a Rivian and love EV. No problems or maintenance for the last 5 years. Doing a reboot of the screen has solved every problem I’ve had.
I heard about the JD power survey and it includes users not understanding their software or using it properly.
Even in rural areas every building has electricity, gasoline has to be trucked in
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Nah, charging EVs won't do anything to a rural grid. There is no law that says EVs have to charge at high rates. You can charge an EV at space-heater wattages after all. So rural grids are really a non-issue (and always have been).
And to be frank, there are very few situations where the service is so bad that you'd have to do that... there aren't very many homes that still sit on 50A utility service connections. And even for those that do, you'd just charge at 8A.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Rural USA here, the local (small-ass-town)grid we have here is perfectly capable of feeding the 150-250kw sub panels in in each house as well as the local factory. despite my home charger pulling 11kwh to charge my car while I sleep.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 of course electricity can be stored! They have wall batteries and solar.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 You may have guessed by now most people think you are very ill informed. One thing they haven't mentioned that even in a small rural town, solar is a thing. In other words you can make your own fuel.
Try building a gasoline distillery and see how far you get.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 You're funny. First electricity can be stored. It's called a battery. You can get it with your solar array and charge your EV from that. More importantly the US is all three phase and electricity comes to every home and business at 340 volts and usually 200 amps. Certainly one EV charging is not going to take the grid down when it draws circa 32 amps. You actually have disinformation. As to your long trip. Only farmers can have fuel tanks at home. It takes more than two jerry cans (heavy by the way) to fill a gas tank. But your EV can charged to full overnight so ready to go on the trip when you wake up plus no stop or trip to fuel up. Just get in and go.
I love my EV, looking to purchase a second soon.
Tsk. ALL new cars now have software susceptible to bugs -NOT just EVs. That was just an AI hit piece from the fossil fools. To hell with them.
Maintenance costs also include brake jobs, spark plugs, ignition, oil and filter changes, belt changes, and replacing 12 volt batteries… and the time taken to do all those things.
Of all those, I’ve only had to recently replace my 12 volt battery on my 2018 Model 3 with 70,000 miles. That’s many hundreds of dollars and many, many hours saved over my previous cars!
Unfortunately tesla now has a lithium battery now for 12v and it's ridiculously expensive.
@@sprockkets- I’ve yet to replace the 12v battery on my ‘20 model S, I was under the impression that the 12v for that was not a lithium battery. Hope it is, that will last for many years.
@@sprockkets if it’s a Lithium Ion Phosphate battery that can’t be damaged by being fully discharged, and has a life of say 50 years rather than the typical lead acid life of 5 years, I’m good with paying more.
@robmagee100 it's not lfp, and I've already read of them failing already.
In the uk it’s similar cost to petrol if using a public charger. So some work needed on cheaper street/lamppost and work based chargers for terraced housing dwellers where people do not have off road parking/charging.
Tesla is cheapest in uk but not as cheap as you quote in USA especially for non-Tesla car owners, who are charged more.
Battery/electric devices always provide a superior user experience these days when compared to an over engineered/constantly breaking down/mechanical nightmare called an engine.
I won’t go back.
On EV Car Resale Value.
Long before EV's were a thing it was a common saying in Australia that "as soon as you drive it out of the showroom you lose 50%". My current problem is I am retired with no real income source and EV's are not dropping in price quick enough for me to get one :(
The cheap prices on Teslas only one or two years old proves the depreciation is heavy.
Hey Ben, Thank you for debunking the lies and mistruths told by the gas-guzzling industry about the benefits of owning an EV. I'm not yet the proud owner of an EV but I plan to lease the BMW iX. We have zillions of EVs of all types in the SF Bay area.
You referred to the “FUD” factor ( fear, uncertainty and doubt) which the AI voiceover “itself” used to discourage newcomers to the world of EVs from purchasing one.
Good job. I look forward to listening to more of your videos.
4 members in the family and 4 ev we will never go back to ice !!!
I have been going back and forth with EV haters. It is amazing how stupid they are about Ev and feed off of all the EV misinformation!! They just don't seem to understand EV's.
Cuz they dont. If it doesnt have an engine these are the excuses they make to call it bad "it takes too long to charge, it has no soul, the driving experience isnt fun, they easily catch on fire, it has no soul(i did that on purpose condsidering its their only argument) etc, etc." Such BS they spout to hate an ev.
Nope, I have done the same thing with them , they refuse any and all information , I swear they’re paid by big oil it’s that bad !
@ganymede6535 They do take to long to charge and it's not the rate of fires it's the fact that it takes 1000x or more effort to put out a lithium fire.
@@tbl268 Gas cars require too many stops at a gas station. I stop at a charging station 3-4 times a year.
@@tbl268 14 Ev fires per 10,000 , ICE 1500 per 10,000 ,yes more water, but new methods such as the fire blanket are being introduced .
I’m on my 4th EV (my first was a used plug in hybrid Chevy Volt) cannot begin to comprehend the substance and intent of the video you were reviewing. As a previous owner of ICE cars for over 40 years I would NEVER go back to burning gasoline and put up with all the repairs and problems I used to have. And now is a great time to consider a good used EV! Thanks for the video!
Owning an EV is a no brainer,expecially with battery prices expected to hit 50% less in cost,it just makes no sense to oen an ICE car unless its a biodiesel driven one coz then u can make ur own fuel but still a tonne of maintenance work required,as for gas,thats just a no no
Going back to ICE is unthinkable. The only way EVs wouldn't work is if they have no place to charge. If you can't charge at home, or at work, then I absolutely get it, but for most people this is not the case
Thank you for clearing out the bs on the internet 🙏🙌
And over 80 per cent are loving their EVs. Truth.
Lies and damned lies! I’m sick to death of the garbage sprouted by mainstream media.
We have ONE EV, (a model 3, now five years old), and one ICE SUV. My wife and I both now HATE driving the SUV. We will NEVER buy another ICE car.
Two of our sons have Teslas- one has TWO Teslas.
Neither of them will EVER buy another ICE car either.
P.S. My five year old Model 3 has cost under $100 In maintenance over that five years.
You have really stepped-up the comedy and sarcasm in the last couple vids - love it!
He most certainly does not like taking the kids to sports! LOL
@@msbgone my parents forced me to get my drivers license as soon as I could so the wouldn't have to drive me to robotics tournaments at 5am anymore so I understand that
With my Prius PHEV, I never use a public charger because it is cheaper to buy gas and use it as a hybrid, but trickle charge every night in garage. Apartment dwellers need workplace charging for EV to work for them instead of a hybrid.
Thanks Ben. It gets depressing seeing how EV adoption has been slowed by negative sensational mainstream media, anti EV politics paid for by big oil, etc. Our EV has been amazing. 4 years and not looking back.
Good news. All current reports show EV sales increasing and ICE sales decreasing. This trend is expected to never reverse going forward.
Regarding charging to 100% I see two issues:
1. the majority of EV's are showing the time till 100% charged, so a lot of consumer think, that this is what they have to do.
2. rental cars has to be returned with at least 90% charged, so the client has to charge it over 90% if the charger is not exactly at the airport.
Having my Tesla during the hurricane in Florida was helpful. Didn’t have to wait in the horrendous gas lines, superchargers luckily had power. Although I do know it could be a hazard with the batteries and salt water thankfully it didn’t happen.
Yeah, salt water can conduct electricity. It’s only a hazard if it gets into your HV battery pack under your car. That pack should be tightly sealed otherwise the fluid in it would have leaked out, check the car park where your car has been parked.
Generally, no cars ( EV or ICE) would do well in salt or non salt water, they all suffer serious damages, no exaggeration here.
In ICE cars, engines don’t work with water in them etc.
@@jacobheinz8236 Yep water gets into the wiring and destroys it. So it doesn't matter if you have an EV or ICE vehicle the insurance will total the vehicle.
@jacobheinz8236 funny story, but I learned sometime ago you can't seal a battery pack 100%.
@@sprockkets On the other hand we do see EVs driving through water all the time. Tesla for one builds it's batteries sealed. That of course is not a guarantee.
The batteries are well sealed. Remember, there is a liquid coolant running through the battery pack to both heat and cool the batteries. If it was not well sealed, the coolant would leak out. It is wiring outside of the battery you have to be concerned with. But that's the same with any car.
I am a new owner of a 2024 Mercedes EQE350+, Pinnacle Trim and all of the technical accoutrements available for the vehicle. I had an issue with Firmware on my Wallbox charger and it was replaced with a refund. I have taken it on my first LD road trip (>250 miles) and made it to my destination with 100 miles of SOC to spare. Highway driving between 40-80 mph...I am 6'2" and had no problems with charging at DC fast chargers, SW works (MBUX latest version), and very happy with my vehicle. Be a witness and engage and not a sideline reviewer...
Been driving electric for 3 years (Kia Niro EV, Chevy Bolt EUV, and now Chevy Equinox EV) and I have no regrets. I have also not experienced any software issues in my cars. The only problem I have experienced is the issue with Kia/Hyundai EVs not charging the 12v battery. Also, when talking about battery replacement costs exceeding the value of the used EV this is also true of ICE cars. I had a 2004 Ford Explorer I bought used and shortly after I bought it the transmission went out and it cost $2k to replace it which I did. about 6 months later the engine bricked and I was quoted around $3800 - $4000 for a rebuilt engine which exceeded the value of the car at that time. Almost every issue they bring up about EVs hold true for ICE vehicles as well.
Actually, it's more expensive for ICE cars.
They'll regret it even more in an emergency.
If there is any type of large scale emergency that knocks out the power grid, say goodbye to charging up to get to safety.
Will make rescue even more troublesome when they have to clear all the dead ev's out of the roads to get to people in need.
Maintenance is the least of your worries.
That won't cost you your life, just maybe your savings.
just ordered my third EV, plan to buy some V8 for weekend fun, but never again as main car.
I just sold my 2021 VW Golf GTI with all the factory options and a service care plan for $30k less than I bought it for brand new. In 2 years time that car will be only worth 50%. I just bought a 2 year old Tesla Model 3 Long Range with Enhanced Auto Pilot, Blue Paint and Sports wheels about $30k less than new. I'd say the price reduction on electric vehicles to gas is about the same. I'm from Australia so maybe the stats might be a bit different but still call BS on the AI bot.
Wow! There are some really desperate EV haters out there! So Ben, here's MY EV rant. Maybe you can put your impeccable research skills to the task of fact checking me.
Gas up time versus fast charge time is a completely false comparison of the relative operating costs. It rarely takes less than 10 minutes to gas up, but you have to do it at least once a week. That's more than 500 minutes a year assuming there's never a line at the pumps, which is a very generous assumption.
Most people with EVs have home chargers they use once or twice a week. It takes less time to plug and unplug an EV than it does to warm up a gas car in cold weather - maybe 10 or 15 seconds (30 minutes a year). Few car owners take more than a half dozen trips greater than 200 miles a year (well within the 80 percent range of nearly every EV). If they have to charge from 10 to 80 percent twice per trip at the high time of 40 minutes, that's 480 minutes - and that's a very high estimate. As a side note: The EPA would be doing everyone a big favor if, instead of city, highway mileage estimates, it gave 100-10 percent, and 80-10 percent range estimates for EVs. That's much more useful information for a prospective EV buyer.
Now, add on the time (and money) spent on oil changes, coolant flushes, air filters, fuel filters belts, hoses and all the other "routine maintenance" required only for internal commission engines and transmissions.
Finally, lest we forget, the average EV owner spends between $3000 and $4000 less per year for charging versus buying gas. How much of your time is that worth? Add it all up and tell me, which type of vehicle requires more of your time and treasure to keep rolling? Honestly, it's not even close.
Are there obstacles? Yes! We need better charging solutions for apartment dwellers and urban areas. We need to keep extending the range, reducing the charge time, expanding the infrastructure, developing less expensive, more environmentally friendly batteries and motors. And the manufacturers have to keep closing the price gap. But, even if no further advances were possible, the EVs, batteries and charging we have right now are more efficient and environmentally friendly than ICEVs.
The ONLY people who honestly think EVs require more time or money to own and operate are people who have never owned an EV. You can deny it all you want, but the truth is inescapable. The future of personal transportation is electric.
I’ve found that non-Tesla electric vehicles can be quite challenging to use on long trips. Finding reliable charging stations can be a real hassle, and even when you do find one, it can be a hassle to use the company’s charging equipment.
Those fast charging prices are way off in my opinion. A full charge from my experience is between $10-$18 for a Model 3 RWD. Not $17-$35.
Depends on your local utility rates. In Calif they are quite high thanks to the forest fires and legal requirements on utilities to pay many millions due to causing fires by downed power lines.
The main issues are updates for problems that aren't there until the updates. I wish they would give us a choice on whether we really want the updates or not.
When they are starting to fight, you know you are starting to win.
The oil industry has lots of money to put out propaganda. That money used to be ours.
3 EV's in my family and hope never go back to ICE cars!
On battery degradation, I have 2017 BMW i3, 160,000 miles, and it gets me around just fine! Last I checked, I still have 85% of the original capacity left, and it’s plenty for what I need it for.
Started with a nissan leaf 2011. Sold it. Now a 2019 model 3. Might buy a second EV for the wife!
My M3LR replaced a Mini E which replaced a 40kw Leaf. Zero chance of me ever going back. All 3 cars have had no faults whatsoever.
Love my EV. Used to love my fully loaded Jeep Grand Cherokee and I still own it. I just cringe when I have to drive it though. The exhaust is choking when I get out in the garage and I never noticed it before I had a Tesla. Never buying anything but an EV (Tesla) again.
Interesting isn’t it ! I noticed it ( the exhaust smells) way more now after owning an EV.
It’s like cigarettes smokes, I don’t smoke and I can detect the terrible smells from a distance.
@@jacobheinz8236 Ditto here on both counts.
2:02 - That still doesn't mean EVs can't be hacked.
Fortunately, there are several groups that look for flaws in the security system.
That someone can open the door for you while you're driving, etc. is scary!
It’s not limited to ev cars.
Yes its not limited to evs
but the advantage here is that evs rely more on tech, which means security updates are a must (like tesla and rivian do), compared to ice
Bought a new Model 3 this year. First EV ever. No regrets! Charging at 11¢/kWh in California is nice
That sounds awesome, but not believable. I'm here in the mid-Atlantic and paying 9 cents a kWh, but paying 9 cents for delivery of that electric by the local utility. Are you factoring all costs? Either way, you are doing your wallet and the environment a favor.
6:55 A recent Frontline investigation revealed how the oil and gas industry used the promise of recycling to sell more plastic. Down the road will they do a similar story investigating how EV manufacturers used the promise of battery recycling to sell more EVs? What percentage of used EV batteries are currently being recycled?
I don’t believe anything put out by the mainstream media. That includes PBS. When it comes to recycling batteries, it’s not about the environment. The best motivator for stuff is greed. Recycling batteries means they get to use the material again that’s worth a lot. They’re not doing it out of some joy or environmental crap. They’re doing it out of greed, but it does help the environment.
A lot of the depreciation data is cherry picked taking post pandemic highs as compared to recent lows. They don’t talk about falling new EV prices which are a good thing for new adoption but have driven depreciation of used EVs, not quality issues.
@@michaelsmithers4900 Nah it's definitely quality issues. Namely battery issues. As soon as the warranty is over the car is worthless.
@@tbl268 You say that as if it is not possible to replace a battery.
Previous owner of my 2011 Leaf replaced the battery in 2021.
I am hoping solid state batteries will be a mature technology by 2031: so that I can get a capacity upgrade, while staying in the same weight envelope.
Capacity upgrade is already possible: but involves replacing the springs due to the added weigh, and probably eats into the GVWR.
@@tbl268 That's not true. Did you miss where Ben pointed out the batteries have 100,000 or more miles under warranty. A new study shows batteries degrade at 1.5-1.8% a year. They are shown to and expected to last for over 200,000 miles.
@cre8tvedge Under warranty. As soon as that warranty goes away the car loses most of its value.
@jamesphillips2285 It's possible, just costs more than the vehicle is worth.
Since the AI used extreme single case scenario to parlay it's viewpoint, I love to counter with my experience talking to a 2016 Model X owner at a supercharging station about charging costs. He bought his when Tesla promoted supercharging for life and his cost to charge after 60,000 miles, $0. ZERO dollars!!!!
I spent $85.00 in one year (October to October) to charge my Mini Cooper SE (full electric) - granted, I did not put on a lot of miles (3,500), but at 2.43¢ per mile, I can't see any ICE car coming even close! Also note that I live in Minnesota and it kind of gets cold in Winter. The most I spent was in January ($13.00)
My ioniq hybrid does. Home charging beats me during off peak rates. I beat on peak and supercharger rates. Have fun.
EVs depreciate rapidly while Tesla cuts prices 30 percent. Go figure.
I must be a freak because we bought an ev in March 2023. It's easily and by a very very very long way the best car we have ever owned in our opinion.
How weird we must be ... 🤔
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When it got to the part of comparing the worst cast EV to the best case ICE cost scenario, I couldn't help but think of your debunking of Anton Wahlman's "article" on Seeking Alpha "PROVING" that a Civic was cheaper to operate than a Tesla.
It's not like ICE vehicles aren't software dependent, too. As far as pricing goes, my 2024 Kona Electric Limited cost less than my last 2 new cars. I checked last week and one of the car buying sites offered me more than I paid for my Kona.
Despite my many years of owning ice vehicles doing my own repairs doing my own maintenance and really enjoying it even in the case of modifying a GTI, once I purchased my v and took that chance I have to say I can't get into another ice car without feeling like it's a step back.
This past weekend I had to do an oil change on my wife's ice vehicle as she refuses to go Eevee and was reminded about how nasty the process is.
Why would you go back to an ICE car?? On my 4th year as a EV owner.
I’ve spent nothing on charging from home. But road-tripping with an ev was shockingly more expansive than a gas car.
Maybe you should’ve bought a Tesla? It’s about $.36 kilowatt hour here in Texas USA. I hear non Tesla chargers more than double here. Combine that with poor reliability it would make road trips painful
@@calvinwalker4654, Do you always assume things . He didn't say he didn't or did drive a Tesla. Assumption is the path a fool takes.
I have 2 2023 ice vehicles both have been a pain with the tech & over the air updates 😡
Obviously, not Toyotas
Just got my F150 Lightning, so far it’s been a great experience. No problems charging, love the acceleration and low maintenance.
I wonder who and why anyone would post the video you challenged? It's childish. 5th EV owner here.
Wait. What? You were the fifth person to buy an EV? /S